mini 2093, the search - an interminable period of darkness.

[skitter30]

hey all

@ep i am regularly vla on fridays and saturdays[\b]

[skitter30]

hey all

@ep i am regularly vla on fridays and saturdays

[skitter30]

My alt wincondition is something I have 0 control over so I most likely lose babes

huh
i actually think mine's fairly possible to accomplish

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how about we all ignore the alternate wincon and count this is as a W in our hearts if town wins?

- Acute

lamist

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@123456789
Why have you missed out the most important of all the numbers in your name?

possibly scummy

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Nah

In a game where there’s explicitly a bunch of weird wincons, it’s merely angle-shooting. I wish I’d thought of it first.

I think it’s pretty unlikely to come to anything, because if my wincon is anything to go by, the scum wincon is likely “scum must win AND this additional unlikely thing must happen for you to personally win”. So it’s probable that whatever they have will be voided by sharing info

Offer’s on the table tho!

i'm kinda wondering if scum wincons are compatible with each other

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Actually, let's do it this way--who wants to bet on whether Chenni is town or scum? My head bets a m20 forest on town chenni, fireball bets a 2019 banefire that chenni's scum, who wants to take us up?

i have no idea how to read chenni; i don't really think he's done much ai yet

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FOS: Channel

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Numbers maybe town ?

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Yeah that was a scummy reaction lol

-chanel

i'm not sure if that was scum!him getting annoyed at you for scumreading him for the wrong reasons or town!him getting annoyed that you think you can read him when you can't

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Yay! Thank you for bussing your buddy.

do u scumread pine ?

[skitter30]

Hnmmm VOTE: Skitter

do tell

why do u scumread pine ?

[skitter30]

wrt to pine: couldn't tell if your scumread is serious. why do u scumread him?

wrt to elements: i think his entrance was lackluster in a way that i associate with scum. namely, there was actually things to interact with at that point, and he chose to pop in and basically make an rvs-type joke/question, failed to lay down a vote, and failed to interact with things people had said already
it was basically a 'hi i'm here but i'm not going to do anything yet' type post. not inherently scummy but i do think that scum make those sorts of posts more often than town do. like it's not a surefire tell but i have caught scum off of it before so i noted it

i agree my catchup was not super intersting or exciting or controversial; i don't think much ai has happened yet

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VOTE: 123456789 what a name lol

Oh this is like another example ^^^

@gobble why am i town now?

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VOTE: cyrus

[skitter30]

This doesnt feel like a tvt interaction

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Oh i think i just realized something

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Chenn, ur reaction to all of this ... is not great

At the same time fireball's push feels weird

[skitter30]

Chenn, ur reaction to all of this ... is not great

At the same time fireball's push feels weird

you probably think it's weird because i would be livid at this bullshit as

both alignments

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you do agree that he's probably lying about his meta tell?

Idk, i have to check your game in gay dance to see if i see what hr says he sees

[skitter30]

I was in one of his towngames, actually

Fireball are you changing ur writing style as part of the hydra gimmick?

The way you're writing feels kinda unnatural

I'm going to be driving for a bit today, but i'll look at gay dance when i get home

[skitter30]

This one is in the normal queue archive, for example, for a towngame of Chennis; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10976751

Again, what's being discussed is hardly relevant. The tell is much simpler.

- Fireball.

Oh that's the one i was in

[skitter30]

This one is in the normal queue archive, for example, for a towngame of Chennis; https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p10976751

Again, what's being discussed is hardly relevant. The tell is much simpler.

- Fireball.

Oh that's the one i was in

Oh nm lol

[skitter30]

I can fake that

[skitter30]

Fireball are you changing ur writing style as part of the hydra gimmick?

The way you're writing feels kinda unnatural

Yes I am. I am writing much more formally than I usually would.
- Fireball.

Yeah, it feels kinda stilted and unnatural

[skitter30]

specifically i'd think the person is town because if they were scum they could just NK me to manipulate their condition into fulfilling and that's too boring/bad

I think they are lying

Why do u think this?

[skitter30]

Elements is townie, i think

Maybe numbers too

Anyonw wanna wagon cyrus with me?

[skitter30]

I want to know what their win condition is because it sounds like they need to live past a certain day if a lyncher is against them which seems sketchy

Not sure i got that vibe

R u an alt ?

[skitter30]

Chenni r u informed that there is a lyncher on ur slot? Or do u just think ghat's a possibility?

[skitter30]

I'll clarify a little - it's not

exactly

a lyncher as in they AUTO win when I'm dead but let's just say their life becomes a LOT EASIER with me dead.

Hmmmmm

[skitter30]

Skitter I want you to think really hard about that post you quoted and their reactions vis a vis Fireball with them thinking that the lyncher is town

Why dont u spell out what you're thinking?

[skitter30]

No, that's not why cyrus is scum here, really

[skitter30]

Fire you feel kinda scummy to me

[skitter30]

Fire you feel kinda scummy to me

Anything in particular you want to highlight?

- Fireball.

A) i feel like ur tying cyrus to numbers (or vice versa)

B) you feel very stilted and not very natural, but i suppose that can be a product of trying to write formally, and not necessarily of your alignment

[skitter30]

Why not @Elements?

The mod did say not many of us will win which implies mutually exclusive win conditions amongst us.

I kinda wonder if scum have mutually exclusive wincons amongst themselves

[skitter30]

I feel like if one of them is scum you're setting up a lynch on the other next

I get the postint style thing, but it has the side effect of making your posts feel fake and insincere and it's hard for me to get past that

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Number's defense of Cyrus feels quite out of place. In fact a lot of stances that Numbers has taken this game feel quite detached. They do ask a lot of questions but don't have a lot of reads of their own. I think Cyrus and Numbers are equally good lynches here, perhaps.

- Fireball.

@fireball this post makes me think that if cyrus flips scum you're setting up a numbers lynch

[skitter30]

also @channel fireball do u lot have a read on me ?

[skitter30]

interesting

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VOTE: channel fireball

[skitter30]

uh huh

and why do u think this isn't something i would think as town ?

and also, i'm not scumreading you inherently for saying that their interactions are bad, i'm scumreading you, in part, for doing the legwork to put numbers in the poe pool when i dont' think he did anything scummy, and for tying him to someone i think is scummy

also fire was talking to me like he thought i was town. i'm aware that you're a different head, but that seemed to have come out of nowhere and was kinda strange

he was acting like he needed to defend himself to me

[skitter30]

is this something you think *i* wouldn't think as town, or something that you think a townie in general wouldn't think

i don't know how you (your slot) got to 'cyrus and numbers are equally good lynches today', when i don't think that is at all the case, and i think that cyrus has been leagues scummier, and numbers' main crime is not scumreading him.

i dont't hink that makes them equally good lynches; it's entirely possible for cyrus to be scum and numbers to be mistaken!town, say; i very much dislike that you're equating cyrus' play with numbers and making it seem like they're both equally scummy

i think your slot is trying to introduce numbers to the poe pool, and i'm objecting to that

[skitter30]

interesting

this is also a bad response

-Chanel

i thought tha tyou were going to say that your slot was townreading me given, you know, that's how fire was interacting with me

[skitter30]

and why was it a bad response ?

[skitter30]

uh huh

[skitter30]

. I think Cyrus and Numbers are equally good lynches here, perhaps.

- Fireball.

@fire- your words, not mine

[skitter30]

You're welcome to towncase him if you want but you jumping in here in the way that you did is nagl. I don't see why you're so confident in town numbers that you feel the need to white knight him, I don't get why you would imagine only one very illogical scenario for us making a simple observation that their interactions aren't great, and I really dislike you trying to control the PoE.

I dont townread numbers strongly, but i think you're trying to put him in the poe

[skitter30]

channel fireball i know skitter's probably not your top scum candidate and skitter if channel's your top scum candidate you should prolly reread

Why are they town ?

[skitter30]

I think Skitter is being oddly aggressive with Fireball. Her earlier play gives me a totally different vibe for a player than her current play.

You dont understand my playstyle then :shrug:

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VOTE: cyrus

channel fireball is still scummy

[skitter30]

Ok

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Feel free to vote me if u think that

[skitter30]

Feel free to vote me if u think that

[skitter30]

You just called me scum

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You just called me scum

your votes are scummy.

so you're not voting me because ... ?

[skitter30]

the guy you're scumreading, at least in part, because the color of his posts 'bugs' you ?

[skitter30]

chenni u still don't feel townie to me really

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chenni u still don't feel townie to me really

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@Skitter My head was townreading you for a while but I totally understand why my head voted you on that spot, given the specific set of responses you gave.

i think your slot is trying to introduce numbers to the poe pool, and i'm objecting to that

I don't think you actually have addressed that matter once. Perhaps you could explain why it's such a problem to you? Thanks.

- Fireball.

because i don't think he's done anything scummy, and i don't understand why you think he's just as good a lynch candidate as cyrus

also fire was talking to me like he thought i was town

I would like to know what gave you that impression as well.

- Fireball.

you were defending yourself to me (and you admitted that my impression was right; you just said in the other quote in this post that you were townreading me at the time), and acting like it was important that i understood why you were doing what you were doing (if you thought i was scum you would not have been interacting with me that way )

[skitter30]

Oh i think i just realized something

What did you just realize?

-bae

it's not important right now

[skitter30]

baezu is town, i think

[skitter30]

she feels more stream-of-conscious-y and less agenda-y and less stilted than i remember her being as scum

[skitter30]

and i feel like her thoughts are more ~real~ here than in say that open we played a few months back that you were in

[skitter30]

Fair.

who was this directed to ?

[skitter30]

could be, i don't have enough information rn

it's entirely possible that i'm mistaken; like the point of that post was kinda that i made a note for myself so that later i don't forget that i thought of it

[skitter30]

if it's important and relevant i'll share

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VOTE: channel fireball

[skitter30]

there's almost for sure scum in the back end of that wagon

[skitter30]

idk what that means

[skitter30]

or, more accurately, i don't know what you're trying to convey with that emoji

[skitter30]

there's almost for sure scum in the back end of that wagon

Could you perhaps explain why you think this?

- Fireball.

uh the wagon happened too easily for it to not be at least in part scum-driven

i'm considering 'back end of the wagon' to be everyone after you, actually, i'm not voting you for this reason

[skitter30]

PP’s a Jailkeeper (I don’t know how many shots) and protected me last night when Cyrus told us in twilight that the kill was coming for me, no-kill explained

why would he say this ?

[skitter30]

like how did this go down:

cyrus says his wincon, in the process kinda slips that ircher is scum, along the way says that scum are going to kill pine and pp protects him, but pine (and thus presumably cyrus, unless this got revealed overnight) knows that pp is a jk?

i actually believe that pp is a jk (or at least, had something to do with the fact that nobody died last night) but i don't understand the sequence of events there

[skitter30]

Yeah, why would cyrus, as mafia, leak any info to you assuming you are town?

He said he had an alternate, independent wincon.

doesn't everyone tho?

[skitter30]

if channel is scum i'm *pretty* sure numbers is not

pine can you paraphrase how cyrus implicated numbers?

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i actually believe that pp is a jk (or at least, had something to do with the fact that nobody died last night)

I can say with certainty that it had nothing to do with it.

- Fireball.

or, more accurately, believes that he had something to do with the fact that nobody died last night. whether or not he actually did is irrelevant

[skitter30]

interesting

[skitter30]

pine can you paraphrase how cyrus implicated numbers?

or penguin can you do this ?

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I also find it very unlikely that you would not know Cyrus' wincondition considering... you know... that you supposedly share the same win-condition, as a presumed bandit.

- Fireball.

intersting

very very interesting

[skitter30]

there probably is not more than one scum in the bandits

that being said i think pine is scummier than penguin

[skitter30]

i'm wondering if all bandits have the same alternate wincon

i'm wondering if roles in this game kinda come in groups like the bandits

[skitter30]

i'm wondering if all bandits have the same alternate wincon

i'm wondering if roles in this game kinda come in groups like the bandits

Are you implying you also have some affiliation with a potential group?

kinda

[skitter30]

i'm not sure

i know that there are two roles out there related to mine but i also know that one of them basically exists to make my role/wincon confusing
gut says there's one scum in that group, and i don't know what the wincons are for the two of them

pedit whatever menalque did your slot take an action last night ?

[skitter30]

i'm not sure

i know that there are two roles out there related to mine but i also know that one of them basically exists to make my role/wincon confusing
gut says there's one scum in that group, and i don't know what the wincons are for the two of them

pedit whatever menalque did your slot take an action last night ?

i have a guess what the wincons are but i'm not sure

[skitter30]

ngl that kinda sounds like a scum role

[skitter30]

eh maybe too op for scum (+2 to lynch in lylo? game would be unwinnable almost)

[skitter30]

yeah still thinking it through, sorry

[skitter30]

Given that I know there is a Priest in this town, your claim of being bulletproof sounds rather up there as well.

- Fireball.

Role names don't necessarily indicate the roles ability

^^^^^^ can verify

[skitter30]

also i know that someone should have performed an action last night, but didn't, so either they didn't do it or they got roleblocked

also how many votes is numbers at?

[skitter30]

i don't think my role name super well lines up with the ability

[skitter30]

i guess it kinda does in a flavor sense? but not really

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VOTE: numbers

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also i think sky is scummy

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ok

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i'm going to vote you again

[skitter30]

incidentally i think you're scum, so i kinda i'll be voting with you in the near future

[skitter30]

*kinda doubt

[skitter30]

*silently crosses off skitter scumreading me off my bingo card*

your vote on cyrus is one of the ones i'm suspicious of

also do u have any reads you're like to share ?

[skitter30]

Are you voting me over night-action business, perhaps, since you said it had nothing to do with VCA?

- Fireball.

no, because of how you were interacting with cyrus yesterday; how you tried to tie numbers to cyrus; and then how you scumread me immediately after pointing that out

[skitter30]

i'd actually prefer it if he did it at 6, i think

proves he's somewhat loved and it's less likely he'll get accidentally hammered

[skitter30]

if i understand correctly he'd get hammered at 9 votes?

[skitter30]

And I feel you should already know that.

why should i know that ?

[skitter30]

right, but him *not* getting hammered at 7 proves that he's at least partially loved so

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UNVOTE:

bbl

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VOTE: numbers

I think he's sufficiently proven it but ehatever

[skitter30]

Skitt can i trust you this game?

Also I didn’t use a night action

I really dont know why you'd trust my answer to this question at this point

[skitter30]

also i think sky is scummy

Nah

Do u townread her?

[skitter30]

are we done with the numbers thing now or

[skitter30]

I think gobble is kinda scummy too

[skitter30]

i'm also not sure if i buy into scum!numbers rn

[skitter30]

so we're saying that it's known that cyrus had {some wincon different than pine's and pp's} but we don't know what it is, right?

[skitter30]

I think gobble is kinda scummy too

You thought wrong

ok

your vote on cyrus was also p bad

[skitter30]

ok, why wasn't it?

[skitter30]

ok, why wasn't it bad from the pov of anyone that isn't you ?

that obviously isn't an argument that's going to convince me or change my opinion as is

[skitter30]

What makes it bad?

it reads like you knew your buddy was going down so you just hopped on the wagon to make sure you were on it before it got hammered

again, most of the votes in the backend of the wagon look like this tho

i think sky's is worse than yours

penguin is probably town

have no read on deb; gut is town but idk

so basically my ranking for bad votes rn is: sky > you > deb > penguin

[skitter30]

and channel's actually does not look like that but his interactions with cyrus are bad for other reasons

[skitter30]

actually i think you might just have a scummy-sounding playstyle

idk

my wincon is entirely possible to accomplish so idk

[skitter30]

I think sky is scummy

[skitter30]

VOTE: sky

[skitter30]

which game ?

[skitter30]

also why do you think menalque is scum here ?

[skitter30]

i will be vla this whole weekend this week (friday-sunday)

i should be able to post at some point, probably

[skitter30]

Menalque you feel scummy rn

[skitter30]

I think either skitt is town or her scum mindset vibes with my town mindset in a way that is gonna make her completely unmanageable for me in every game

When i'm scum i'll fake a mindset that i know will give me points with people

When i'm town i just say whatever think, whether or not it's politically correct

[skitter30]

Menalque you feel scummy rn

how come?

Idk some od your posts feel agenda-y

[skitter30]

I think either skitt is town or her scum mindset vibes with my town mindset in a way that is gonna make her completely unmanageable for me in every game

When i'm scum i'll fake a mindset that i know will give me points with people

When i'm town i just say whatever think, whether or not it's politically correct

so I should be scum reading you here?

Yes, i decided to have the same read as you would eventually have on baezu several days before you replaced into the game in order to pocket you, good job for figuring out my dastardly plots,

Come on, what kind of question is this in context?

[skitter30]

I think either skitt is town or her scum mindset vibes with my town mindset in a way that is gonna make her completely unmanageable for me in every game

menalque, i thought this post, in conjunction with some of your other ones (i.e. the ones saying you liked some of my reads), you were implying that since some of my stances match yours{the beazu one in particular youpulled out} you thought it was more likely that we were living in the universe where i'm scum with a mindset that's vibing with your town!mindset


and i was sayign that i thought that was ridiculous because why would my scum mindset here vibe with town mindset given that you weren't here at the time

like if i'm scum, fundementally approaching the game differently than town!you, why would my mindset match town!yours unless i was trying to make that happen? and i obviously wasn't because you weren't here.

[skitter30]

Interesting that CF’s instant response to me scumleabing their slot is to try and discredit me

Also, if you’ve only played with scum!me how do you know that that’s not how I present my thoughts as both alignments?

Also interesting that chenn seems to be tacitly agreeing

wrt agenda-y: both of these kidna feel like you're trying to discredit people scumreading you

[skitter30]

I’m a bit suspicious of skitter too, but I’m not a fan of trying to make something out of nothing.

ok, why are you suspicious of me ?

[skitter30]

huh

i don't think i'm prioritizing my altwincon over the standard one (it helps that i can win posthumously, and some of the information i need will probably come out in the general course of the game, so i don't super feel like i'm on a clock or feel like i need to try to win ~right now~); i think i'm p transparently scumhunting here

which reads of mine do you disagree with ?

[skitter30]

Yeah i think i may have misunderstood what you were trying to say

[skitter30]

I mean I don't think I'd ever wanna lynch you here before LYLO, but in lylo I'd be having fits of paranoia about my TR on you

ok i misunderstood what you meant then

and i have a good scumgame

[skitter30]

Interesting that CF’s instant response to me scumleabing their slot is to try and discredit me

Also, if you’ve only played with scum!me how do you know that that’s not how I present my thoughts as both alignments?

Also interesting that chenn seems to be tacitly agreeing

wrt agenda-y: both of these kidna feel like you're trying to discredit people scumreading you

why is this more likely from scum!me than not town!me?

i don't have a good enough sense for how you'd react here as different alignments, so idk

in a general sense, i expect scum to be more likely to shade people scumreading them in this way than town to shade people scumreading them in this way

also i dont' think i've seen you do this before as town

[skitter30]

menalque, i thought this post, in conjunction with some of your other ones (i.e. the ones saying you liked some of my reads), you were implying that since some of my stances match yours{the beazu one in particular youpulled out} you thought it was more likely that we were living in the universe where i'm scum with a mindset that's vibing with your town!mindset

What about his post made you think Menalque thought it was more likely to be in a universe where you are scum matching his mindset? I know you said you misread but what part of that post did you misread to make you think that

i'm not sure i can answer this question satisfactorily at this time

[skitter30]

Other reasons

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VOTE: Numbers

Fireball are you the lyncher thing that needs ARO dead?

I do not need ARO dead specifically. However, I need a certain role dead. ARO has great chances to be that role.

- Fireball.

sooooo, him thinking that you were a lyncher on him was actually a p accurate assessment of the situation ?

VOTE: numbers

[skitter30]

you have a vig shot, and need to take out the 'outlaw' role, and you think they're town and possibly an IC, is that correct?

did you try to take the vig shot or ?

[skitter30]

it's kinda weird for both of you to be town
it's also a weird role for you to need to take out a possible IC (possibly bp IC at that, if the vig shot failed)

pedit oh yeah that's weird too

[skitter30]

wait can you do two actions in one night?

[skitter30]

Pine ~ bandit, unknown wincon
cyrus62 ~ bandit, unknown wincon; apparently different than pine's/pp's
Menalque overki11
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Skygazer
Elements ~ identify the bandits
Baezu Leaf
123456789 ~ town empress; survive to day 4; claims super loved and bg
Dr Easy Bake
gobbledygook ~ says wincon is like impossible
PenguinPower ~ bandit guard thing who says that they jk'd pine; same wincon as pine's
Channel Fireball ~ outlaw with vig shot; claimed to shoot aro, they didnt' die; claimed to have rolecopped a priest
Acute Right Obtuse ~ apparently cf's target who has possibly ic-like powers

[skitter30]

you know that the priest can heal?

[skitter30]

But you were the vig shot, right? Why would you assume there wasn't another shot (mafia) and say

with certainty

that my JK had nothing to do with no deaths last night.

yes this is also puzzling

and yes that doesn't sound like a town role really

[skitter30]

Pine ~ bandit, unknown wincon
cyrus62 ~ bandit, unknown wincon; apparently different than pine's/pp's
Menalque overki11
skitter30
Skygazer
Elements ~ identify the bandits
Baezu Leaf
123456789 ~ town empress; survive to day 4; claims super loved and bg
Dr Easy Bake
gobbledygook ~ says wincon is like impossible
PenguinPower ~ bandit guard thing who says that they jk'd pine; same wincon as pine's
Channel Fireball ~ outlaw with vig shot; claimed to shoot aro, they didnt' die; claimed to have rolecopped a priest
Acute Right Obtuse ~ apparently cf's target who has possibly ic-like powers

and in the unkown players there's my kinda-group of 3
and a priest
and i guess one other role

honestly we might as well massclaim at this point? nearly everything is on the table already

[skitter30]

yeah i think this is kinda scummy

[skitter30]

VOTE: channel

[skitter30]

Oh - I'm not a jk. Just a doublevoter.

also if this is a thign wtf are you going on about the neighborhood and everything

[skitter30]

man i'm going to be annoyed if ircher gets lynched here ffs

[skitter30]

penguin did you lie about the whole neighborhood thing ... because that has serious implications for the rest of this game
and makes channel more likely town
ffs

[skitter30]

ok

i dont think he is

i just think his reads are p off

[skitter30]

Yeah I don’t understand Skitter right now not wanting to go through with Numbers death

i don't really think he's scummy and 'in a neighborhood scum outed him as being his partner' feels dubiosu to me

[skitter30]

i dont' think this game has many investigatives

[skitter30]

I wonder if Skitter is the last buddy. I feel like if we test the “if it walks like a duck and talks like a duck” with Numbers theory that will give us information on CF’s role.

i don't understand why numbers is scummy here

i also don't interact with buddies this way as scum, like ever

[skitter30]

I'm p sure that aro is outlaw

(Or at least, i know enough of the setup to think nobody else is)

[skitter30]

Also

UNVOTE:

Also if aro can ic himself i'm not sure i want to lynch him

[skitter30]

Town: baezu, elements, penguin, begrudgingly pine, maybe gobble

Not sure rn: numbers, cf, aro, deb

Scummy: sky, menalque,

I feel p decent about the townreads, not that great about everyone else

[skitter30]

I mean why would lynch ARO if he was IC that seems like definitely not the move when we have more than likely scum Numbers?

If I had to wager a guess, Skitter needs Numbers alive to win her alt win con

Idk, people seem to be supporting the idea, which i think is asinine

I dont need numbers alive

[skitter30]

I just feel:

A) i am not in the neighborhood, and i'm a little dubious about the secondhand 'cyrus outed his partner'. I'm not saying they're lying but i'm not sure exactly how that went down. And like unless cyrus was like 'hi numbers is literally my partner' i'd prefer to see the posts that gave away numbers myself before i just agree with a secondhand description of a nuanced situation that i dont really have a way of verifying

B) not sure if scum get an effectively double-loved survivor role

C) i'm not sure scum try to protect their partner the way he objected to the cyrus lynch

D) when numbers suggested lynching deb after the lolhammer, gobble (i think) said something to the effect of: and if they flip town you're ok with us lynching you next?
And numbers said: sure!

I dont think scum are that cavalier about agreeing to get lynched upon a townflip that they were shading for lolhammering their partner. Like maybr he says that if he's scum *with* deb and i think that's kinda unlikely

E) wrt yhe double-voter thing, i thonk he was just more pissed than anything else at potentially losing

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That was kinda rushed, not sure how well i got my points across ^

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Even if this flips scum, I'm willing to bet my own life that Dr. Easy Bake is scum.

So if this is scum we lynch DEB tomorrow and if town we lynch you next?

Sure!

Was elements, sorry ^

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Not seeing Menalque but would like to understand why you scumread him. I’m town reading him right now

Oh i missed this in pedits, sorry

He doesnt feel like the town!him i've played with before and i think his readtion yo getting scumread wasnt great

That being said i waffled a bit between putting him on the scum tier and 'idk rn' tier

Why do you townread him?

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Really? You've never heard that line from scum? .....really?

not in that context, no

=

@ bae did ur slot claim yet

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Seems it's been used. What are the conditions?

Non-mafia targeting me for a "vigshot"

sorry, you're a whisperer who's also conditional bp and knows that there's a lyncher ?

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eh fine i'll fullclaim.

i'm the True whisperer and i have to live and have the Prophet guess who i am at endgame. i know the prophet is town

Idk who the prophet is. Also there is a False whisperer, so yeah

i'm the prophet

i know that there's a whisperer and false whisperer, both of whom flip as whisperer

they both can send me messages at night; i got one from sky but did not get one from aro ^^^^ (they either didn't send one or got roleblocked idk)

my altwincon is to identify the true whisperer at endgame; i can do this posthumously

i can send messages during the day to both of them

i *guess* that the false whisperer is scum but idk

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VOTE: ARO

Wtf is that claim

i believe the whisperer part; i was informed that there are whisperers etc

i'm confused by the conditionally bp part

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but long so assuming skitter is the prophet i can see why she'd scumread me for that lol

yes

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But I feel like you could've worked that out from some of my other posts maybe?

i don't understand this convo like at all

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Is this game as easy as Numbers into ARO?

i think sky is scummier than aro

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ARO, Skitter, BL conf town.

DEB-Channel takes care of themselves, and honestly, if one of them are scum, Iran probably Channel not DEB.

I fail to see why Skygazer isn’t the obvious lynch for the day.

~FL

Sorry, why do u think sky is scum over aro?

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ARO, Skitter, BL conf town.

DEB-Channel takes care of themselves, and honestly, if one of them are scum, Iran probably Channel not DEB.

I fail to see why Skygazer isn’t the obvious lynch for the day.

~FL

Sorry, why do u think sky is scum over aro?

Aro got shot and protected.

Yes but the person who shot him is claiming vig ...

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Baezu/Elements, you’ve got your group wrong

The group is Empress/Guard/Guard

The scum in it is Numbers.

But doesnt cyrus need scum to win to win? Like completing his alt wincon doesnt help him if scum lose so why i dont get why he'd give up a buddy here
Why

Cyrus gave up Numbers as his scumbuddy. He was looking to trade info in order to work together

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Baezu/Elements, you’ve got your group wrong

The group is Empress/Guard/Guard

The scum in it is Numbers.

Why

Cyrus gave up Numbers as his scumbuddy. He was looking to trade info in order to work together

But doesnt cyrus need scum to win to win? Like completing his alt wincon doesnt help him if scum lose so why i dont get why he'd give up a buddy here

^ what i meant to write; not sure what happened with the quotes

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Baezu/Elements, you’ve got your group wrong

The group is Empress/Guard/Guard

The scum in it is Numbers.

This is already proved incorrect, isn’t it? We had a Bandit flip

What the fuck are you talking about?

There are probably three groupings

Bandits, outlaws, Empress and guards. One scum probable in each. We got the bandit, now we go after the other known scum, then we find the third, Town wins

Also thr prophet/whisperer group

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@Elements and Menalque

Now that we know that Numbers is scum, is it against your wincon to see them lynched? Town and protecting scum seems incompatible

PE: The bandits

weren’t

all Town. We already figured out which of us was and got Cyrus lynched

I don't see the point of this post. Our alt wincon is to identify the bandits up our removal from the game. Nothing about numbers.

Aren’t you Royal Guard? I thought you were protecting the Empress?

The loophole in their Super Loved status is probably having the guards vote for them

Our role name has nothing to do with our ability or wincon as I have stated already. Also I've been voting numbers pretty much the whole day if that was the case numbers would have already been lynched.

My guess is that the Loved status is reduced by one for every Guard voting. If that’s correct, we only ever got Numbers to L-1

?
Um why do you think this is a thing?

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Baezu/Elements, you’ve got your group wrong

The group is Empress/Guard/Guard

The scum in it is Numbers.

Why

Cyrus gave up Numbers as his scumbuddy. He was looking to trade info in order to work together

But doesnt cyrus need scum to win to win? Like completing his alt wincon doesnt help him if scum lose so why i dont get why he'd give up a buddy here

^ what i meant to write; not sure what happened with the quotes

Cyrus implied that Numbers personally had to go down, as well as another condition

I mean, so you're saying that scum is a lyncher ... on scum in order to win ?

Idk i think that's p unlikely

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@Pine - I gotta go ScumChannel today for my wincon, so we’re gonna be going pretty head on it seems.

What's your wincon?

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And they just happened to rolecop you n1?

I think channel is p scummy, yeah

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Wait i die if you die?

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Agreed. Also didn't PP petition getting numbers to 8 votes which happened? Because I never stopped voting them so if it was the case numbers still would've been lynched.

I'm p sure he got up to 8 votes. He def got to 7. I dont know where pine's theory came from, that seems like moonlogic to me

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are both heads posting simultaneously right now?

Yes

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Were you informed that i/whisperers exist?

I feel like the false whisperer is prob mafia

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VOTE: channel

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im voting sky because she'll flip as false regardless of her alignment.

no, you'll both flip as 'whisperer'; the false one will *not* flip as false whisperer

it says this in my role pm ^^^

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im fine w dying and flipping if y'all instalynch ARO the next day

we get one scum and i'd get to conf myself as the true whisperer

see above, this isn't a thing ^^^

you'll both flip as 'whisperer', and i'm p sure you both know that ?

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Why is sky scum again?

i think there's scum in the whisperers and i think she's scummier than aro

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?
Um why do you think this is a thing?

I mean, so you're saying that scum is a lyncher ... on scum in order to win ?

Idk i think that's p unlikely

@ pine

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Holy shit.

Lynch 123456789.

I’ve never had basically outed scum be so difficult to lynch.

Like - I’m not even fulfilling my additional wincon here - I’m just trying to get town a win.

This 1000 times

We literally can’t. We straight up lose if that’s the case. Get them tomorrow.

Channel is conf scum

wait, why do you lose ?
i'm not following

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Why do you think there is scum in the whisperers?

i don't know, i'm just guessing

one of them is true, and i'm supposed to identify the true one
one of them is false, but is claiming to be true and will flip as true as well. that just kinda sounds like a scum role to me

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i'm guessing the false one wins if i id them as the true one but this is also just a guess

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?
Um why do you think this is a thing?

I mean, so you're saying that scum is a lyncher ... on scum in order to win ?

Idk i think that's p unlikely

@ pine

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Idk what a usurper is.

You presented cyrus's wincon as needing numbers dead. That reads like a lyncher to me

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your prior story was incredibly fishy

this is more believable but now i'm kinda annoyed at you two for not like ... just being upfront to begin with

why didn't you just say all of this to start ... ?

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sky do you have any bp-like abilities ?

channel are you guys still pushing aro ... ?

pedit i agree that channel is kinda being difficult
gobble is being fine, and i think townie

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We were informed that 123456789 is the Empress, and e holds the Crown Jewel. Whoever possesses the Crown Jewel can *only* die by lynching. In order to win, a Bandit must fulfill their factional wincon AND possess the Crown Jewel at some point in the game. Complicating the matter is that the only way to take possession of the Crown Jewel is to hammer the lynch of the person who holds it.

the first time we tried to hammer test numbers, weren't you two both early on the wagon?

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i mean the way you went about it basically you were acting like a lyncher today @pine, which is why i didn't want much to do with it

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and what's your plan after pp hammers numbers ... how do you get the crown jewel exactly?

i think this is more believable than the previous version of the story but i'm not sure i'm sold still

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When we put out the bait for scum to trade information on their team D1, Cyrus bit. Hard. He scumclaimed, and said he’d help us with our wincon by trading a scumbuddy for letting him have the Crown Jewel before we lynched him. We agreed, and he told us about Numbers being scum with him. He knew about eir extra powers, and said the only way ANY bandits were going to win was by working together. We promptly told him “Thanks but no thanks” and lynched him. Regardless of everything else, letting outed scum live wasn’t going to work. All he’d have to do is kill one of us, then it’s his word against the survivor.

ok a few other things:

1. cyrus knew about the crown jewels. scum!ircher presumably knows about the bandits then, right? wouldn't he know that his scum buddy needs the jewel to win ?

so why would he spend all of day1 defending the buddy that needs him dead to win ?

2. to win cyrus still needs scum to win ... selling at his buddy seems kinda like a dumb move on his part tbh

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wait actually after reading that i'm confused again

how did cyrus give up a buddy exactly?

he was like 'lol the empress we're looking for is my buddy so lynch them so we can get the jewels'?

i'm confused how 'numbers is cyrus' buddy' got into the picture

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that is in the back of my mind, ngl

like it feels like a more likely story than the original one but it's still kinda out there and i'm not convinced

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@skitter i don't have any bp-like qualities

hmmmm
so why is aro bp against vig shots? i feel like your roles are meant to be symmetric?

do you reads btw ?

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bleh i think this story is real
or at least, that pine's representing what he believes to be the truth now

i can't judge if cyrus actually gave up numbers because i'm not in the neighborhood etc but i believe that pine thinks he did

of course i think they should have been more open about this but whatever

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do you
have reads btw ?

@sky, ebwop

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to identify the true whisperer {ie one of sky / aro}

i think sky is fake and possibly scum. or scum and possibly fake, idk

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why do u think the false whisperer is scum?

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i don't lose if you die ?

i just have to guess right at endgame; i don't think any of you/me/sky need to be alive for me to win

i'm confused by your bp
and confused why the role isn't symmetric

pedit again you both flip as whisperer i've said this like four times now

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my pm explicitly says i can win posthumously

where do you think the discrepensy is exactly?

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Lynch numbers - If town we lynch Pine
- If scum lynch CF

Lynch Pine - If Sum we lynch PP - presumably game
- If town PP is now immortal IC

That's 2 days so 4 deaths, worst case scenario numbers and pine are both town in which case we have an immortal IC in a 6v2 situation.

i think i'm ok with this

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Didnt you say your bp was conditional?
What's the conditions?

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Is there a way to satisfy all of these altwincons?