mini 2093, the search - an interminable period of darkness.

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@123456789
Why have you missed out the most important of all the numbers in your name?

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VOTE: fireball your post have just been rubbing me the wrong way

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wrt to elements: i think his entrance was lackluster in a way that i associate with scum. namely, there was actually things to interact with at that point, and he chose to pop in and basically make an rvs-type joke/question, failed to lay down a vote, and failed to interact with things people had said already
it was basically a 'hi i'm here but i'm not going to do anything yet' type post. not inherently scummy but i do think that scum make those sorts of posts more often than town do. like it's not a surefire tell but i have caught scum off of it before so i noted it

It was a "hello I exist" post. I wasn't sure if I'd be able to post before late tonight so I thought I'd just get something out there.

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VOTE: fireball your post have just been rubbing me the wrong way

Which post are you referring to?
By all means, feel free to elaborate on that.

- Fireball.

The sentiment behind all of the "I'm not going to reveal the obvious tell because it'll ruin future games" feel very have blind faith in me because I know best.
Don't like it

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I don't see anything of much substance in their posts. The only interesting one was the rant about your read. Seems genuine but if the parts about ability at this game are true I can easily see it being fabricated.

I'm not a big fan of day one. I'm normally one of the lynch options at the end of the day and in my experience the only useful stuff that happens is the voting towards the end of the day which almost always ends in a town lynch. I don't think anyone can have any certainty about anyone else's alignment at this point in the game unless they are scum and know everyone else it town.

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Thank you.

You're welcome

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At the same time fireball's push feels weird

I will admit that what I am doing is quite overkill, given a lot of players were already inclined to push ACO. Although, I would much rather ensure a lynch on scum today, it would not be the first time I see some wagons losing momentum without any rhyme or reason, especially an early day wagon. This is just insurance that we lynch scum today.

If you want to make sure you understand what I am referencing, I invite you to take a very quick look at Chennis' recent games, then look at this one. You will probably have a "oh!" moment, and vote with us and the 4 others on this wagon.

- Fireball.

Because wagons formed on day 1 of 14 are always so reliable.
Care to give which games we should be looking at in particular?

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Maybe even links to them?

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Hey guys

I’m about 90% sure Cyrus is also scum

Care to elaborate?

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Does this site say whether things were posted from mobile at all?

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LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

btw i guess ill out this now; we KNOW that there's someone whose wincondition is actively against ours

It's called town vs mafia

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Please explain your wincondition

For all the mafia to be dead

[Elements]

Please explain your wincondition

I don't see why they have any incentive or reason to do this

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Hey guys

I’m about 90% sure Cyrus is also scum

Thinking this as well. Pine town now.

Also why do you agree with this?

[Elements]

Hey guys

I’m about 90% sure Cyrus is also scum

Care to elaborate?

Not at this time.

you know I don't like this

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Elements is townie, i think

Maybe numbers too

Anyonw wanna wagon cyrus with me?

Yea sure VOTE: cyrus

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Nothing has struck me as townie from cyrus, so I suppose I could vote there; HOWEVER, I would like to give cyrus more time because as I said, he seems relatively new to the game and may be having a hard time with this particular game.

I can see this point of view. I had no clue what was going on in the first couple of page my first few reads of them.

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I'll clarify a little - it's not

exactly

a lyncher as in they AUTO win when I'm dead but let's just say their life becomes a LOT EASIER with me dead.

Hmmmmm

Ok. Time for business turkey.

Angles and Fireball had a fairly one way death spiral. Angles spent most of the time saying that Fireball was wrong, but never calling them scum. It is then revealed that Angles believes Fireball to be a lyncher. After revealing this fact, Angles then votes Fireball. It is later asserted from Angles that they think the lyncher is most likely town because it wouldn't make sense for the lyncher to be mafia if they could just nightkill the person. Why would someone vote someone they strongly believe to be town based upon role information? Either they do not think that, or they are lying about the wincon. I can see in the heat of the moment Angles voting Fireball. I could very easily see that. But to vote them after speculating about Fireball being the lyncher and more than likely discussing among themselves that the lyncher is town? That is scummy to me.

I also find it hard to imagine two town having directly opposing wincons.

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Why not @Elements?

The mod did say not many of us will win which implies mutually exclusive win conditions amongst us.

It would cause conflict within town and give scum a big advantage massively tipping the game in their favour unless they also had directly conflicting wincons too which seems even more unlikely

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This is saying something because I love math.
VOTE: ARO

this pretty much is a textbook definition of posturing. u should kinda know the wagon on me is shit.

It’s RVS yall

It's RVS? Thank goodness! I thought people were actively analysing who others scum read and who there are voting to find discrepancies and push them for reasons.
VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

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Do hydræ have their own PT?

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Catchup over

baezu out

Mic drop

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Oh i think i just realized something

What did you just realize?

-bae

I missed this, seconded

[Elements]

Oh i think i just realized something

What did you just realize?

-bae

it's not important right now

Will there be a time at which your realisation will be important

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This is saying something because I love math.
VOTE: ARO

this pretty much is a textbook definition of posturing. u should kinda know the wagon on me is shit.

That's fair, I'm not a fan of day 1 either
It’s RVS yall

It's RVS? Thank goodness! I thought people were actively analysing who others scum read and who there are voting to find discrepancies and push them for reasons.
VOTE: Dr Easy Bake

All of D1 is RVS for me, you won’t catch me analyzing shit until tomorrow at least.

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Do you have a point Element? Or do you just like my voice?

Both. For some reason my addition deleted itself.
I said your thoughts on day 1 are fair and that I am not a big fan of day 1 myself.

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Even if this flips scum, I'm willing to bet my own life that Dr. Easy Bake is scum.

So if this is scum we lynch DEB tomorrow and if town we lynch you next?

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I am sceptical of story time

I believe story time. My wincon is to identify the three bandits upon my removal from the game via lynch, death or game end so I fully believe it. With Cyrus being a mafia bandit I am very much of the inclination to view PP and Pine as town.
VOTE: 123456789

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Regardless of whether they are telling the truth, that doesn't automatically make me scum.

That is true and I'm open to the possibility of you being town but I think currently you are the best place for my vote

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i'm wondering if all bandits have the same alternate wincon

i'm wondering if roles in this game kinda come in groups like the bandits

Are you implying you also have some affiliation with a potential group?

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i'm wondering if all bandits have the same alternate wincon

i'm wondering if roles in this game kinda come in groups like the bandits

Are you implying you also have some affiliation with a potential group?

kinda

care to divulge? or would that be detrimental to your wincon?

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Okay, I'm a Town Empress.

My alternate win condition is to survive to at least Day 4.
Because of my popularity, I start the game Super Loved (+2 votes to lynch). I asked the moderator, and he confirmed this ability works even in LyLo situations.

I'm also bulletproof as I can only be killed by lynch.

Due to my survivor win con, I strongly believe that the bandits share a win condition to eliminate me.

This could be a really well designed game flavour wise if this is true. I can see all the role names linking together in a story which would explain why skitter has some affiliation with other members.

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It's easy enough to check, just stick 8 votes on numbers and see what happens

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numbers self vote so you can prove your claim

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Given that I know there is a Priest in this town, your claim of being bulletproof sounds rather up there as well.

- Fireball.

Role names don't necessarily indicate the roles ability

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PP have you voted for numbers yet?

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I heavily doubt it's the same role, given that it would need an alternate wincondition to go with it, and honestly I can't think of a single one.

- Fireball.

I also highly doubt it's the same role, but I don't think it would be a healing role

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I think you should get to 8 votes,

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that puts me at risk of being lolhammered by Penguin or Pine

they've both voted for you already

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Given that I know there is a Priest in this town, your claim of being bulletproof sounds rather up there as well.

- Fireball.

Role names don't necessarily indicate the roles ability

In fact I'd probably go one further and say that role names are almost entirely for flavour.

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Except my role as Guard lines up with my ability. Soooooooo

Hence the almost

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i don't think my role name super well lines up with the ability

ditto

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also how many votes is numbers at?

I think it's 6 now.

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UNVOTE:

bbl

sorry what

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put your votes back, we haven't solved this issue

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Did anyone else have a choice of abilities to pick from or was that just me?

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numbers, does that mean if the games ends before day 4 you lose?

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Can we just run 123456789 to 8 to confirm and then lynch Menalque because he annoys me?

Sounds good to me

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do you also find me annoying elements?

Mildly. I see new posts on thread and get excited that something's happening then it turns out to just be you and I'm disappointed

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Can we just run 123456789 to 8 to confirm and then lynch Menalque because he annoys me?

Didn’t we already do that? I think Menalque is town though

No - we took him to 7. I really don't get the resistance to take him to 8, especially since he still has unclaimed elements.

I didn't realise I was part of his claim

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What role is that?

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NOHT FUNNEEYYYY

imagine me doing an impression of john mulaney doing an impression of mick jagger saying NOT FUNNY!!!! except in a way that suggests that i still think its a little bit funny

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If anyone has cop checks and wants to use them on me tonight we can get more

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i dont' think this game has many investigatives

My ability is such that an abilities that target me at night, I get a copy of to use in the day.

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What does IC mean

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Also I’m not outlaw but I’m still mulling over some elements of the set up before/if I’m willing to out

Very tempting but I will resist

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not sure if scum get an effectively double-loved survivor role

Could work if another scum is trying to get them lynched

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Elements ~ identify the bandits (prince?)

I'm a Royal Bodyguard ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Wait, he’s a survivor Day 4, why don’t we just kill him Day 4 if that’s the case.

That would give us about 4 more dead so there'd be 8 of us. Numbers is super loved so to lynch we'd need 7 votes which is everyone except themselves making it virtually impossible.

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Elements, do you have any doubts about the veracity of Pine and PP as bandits together?

No, not really. My wincon is simply to identify the bandits when I die. There's nothing to suggest there are any fake bandits or reasons the real bandits have any cause to his their identity from me.

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do you really think that the game would be so unbalanced that their wincons wouldn't involve them being warned that someone is trying to identify them and to hide their identities?

Yep

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Why is the Brit talking about the NFL

To another Brit

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Elements, I’m really hoping you’re gonna understand what I’m getting at here

If you were an NFL player would you be a quarterback or a defensive linesman?

I might have a vague inkling. Don't get the meaning behind the NFL analogy but I'd be a quarterback.

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I think I've got you. I've retired from football and gone to work for the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and logistics Division.
That help?

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But I feel like you could've worked that out from some of my other posts maybe?

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I think I've got you. I've retired from football and gone to work for the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and logistics Division.
That help?

Honestly no, I’m more confused now because it think if we were on the same level with the quarterback thing then this is confusing to me

I didn't study martial Arts?

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I just reread my role PM and it said there are three bandits

working together

. So maybe the bandits do have a collective goal to lynch numbers

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Menalque, I'm assuming you also took the defensive stance

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@Elements and Menalque

Now that we know that Numbers is scum, is it against your wincon to see them lynched? Town and protecting scum seems incompatible

PE: The bandits

weren’t

all Town. We already figured out which of us was and got Cyrus lynched

I don't see the point of this post. Our alt wincon is to identify the bandits up our removal from the game. Nothing about numbers.

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@Elements and Menalque

Now that we know that Numbers is scum, is it against your wincon to see them lynched? Town and protecting scum seems incompatible

PE: The bandits

weren’t

all Town. We already figured out which of us was and got Cyrus lynched

I don't see the point of this post. Our alt wincon is to identify the bandits up our removal from the game. Nothing about numbers.

Aren’t you Royal Guard? I thought you were protecting the Empress?

The loophole in their Super Loved status is probably having the guards vote for them

Our role name has nothing to do with our ability or wincon as I have stated already. Also I've been voting numbers pretty much the whole day if that was the case numbers would have already been lynched.

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@Elements and Menalque

Now that we know that Numbers is scum, is it against your wincon to see them lynched? Town and protecting scum seems incompatible

PE: The bandits

weren’t

all Town. We already figured out which of us was and got Cyrus lynched

I don't see the point of this post. Our alt wincon is to identify the bandits up our removal from the game. Nothing about numbers.

Aren’t you Royal Guard? I thought you were protecting the Empress?

The loophole in their Super Loved status is probably having the guards vote for them

Our role name has nothing to do with our ability or wincon as I have stated already. Also I've been voting numbers pretty much the whole day if that was the case numbers would have already been lynched.

My guess is that the Loved status is reduced by one for every Guard voting. If that’s correct, we only ever got Numbers to L-1

?
Um why do you think this is a thing?

Agreed. Also didn't PP petition getting numbers to 8 votes which happened? Because I never stopped voting them so if it was the case numbers still would've been lynched.

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Why is sky scum again?

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Holy shit.

Lynch 123456789.

I’ve never had basically outed scum be so difficult to lynch.

Like - I’m not even fulfilling my additional wincon here - I’m just trying to get town a win.

This 1000 times

Thirded (definitely not a word)
There are two possibilities here for anyone unsure about this.
1) Numbers is scum - yay we lynch a scum that would otherwise be almost impossible to do due to super loved
2) Numbers is the lychee target of PP and Pine - after they flipp we'll have two practically confirmed town actively searching for scum rather then trying to convince everyone to lynch numbers.

Lynching numbers is a win either way.

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No it’s not. It’s a straight up defeat for us here.

Please explain how. PP can jail CF tonight to stop them killing you or jail you to protect you.
Is that "us" as in town or and in you as a hydra?

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This is like that riddle... one person always tells the truth and the other always tells lies

Except you have no information at all, and both can do both.

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My prince is Elements, but he probably dead because he is a bodyguard
THE BODYGUARDS WILL PROTECT BOTH PINE AND PP EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.

I assume you haven't been fully understanding my numerous posts about how my role is nothing to do with my ability

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VOTE: CF

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I've decided that PP and Pine are lying about everything now.
My role PM tells me there are three bandits

working together

presumably to lynch numbers before day 4. PP and Pine having alternate wincons to Cyrus doesn't stack with this. This all seems to check out both mechanically and flavour wise.

Flavour: Royal bodyguards, Empress, Bandits. All fit together nicely in this fictional world where the bandits are trying to kill the Empress. Melanque and I are royal bodyguards 'protecting' numbers, the Empress, who the bandits are trying to kill.

Mechanics: Superloved - Numbers effectively has 3 lynchers after em so this condition no longer seems outlandish at all. Bulletproof - seems a bit overkill but I can understand given the competing flavour factions, as I am now calling them, are geared towards a lynching style of warfare.

Pine is going absolutely bananas about not lynching numbers today. Saying irrational things about Numbers getting their alt wincon by surviving to day 4 - which will not change the game for the rest of us in any capacity. Desperation seems to have set in.
As gobble said - if your wincon was to "hammer scum" why did you not hammer Cyrus if he outed himself to you in your bandit chat? That makes no sense.

Conclusion - PP and Pine made this whole charade up during the night phase to throw suspicion onto numbers in the hope they would be lynched today.

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Why are the Royal Guards and Empress intertwined?

Pretty sure it's just flavor

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Also, Numbers never got to 8 votes; they topped out at 7. The proposed Guard flaw has not been adequately tested

This would also explain super loved status then. Given guards voting makes em easier to lynch and triple lyncher. Numbers' abilities almost make too much sense with EP saying this game is horrifically balanced.

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UNVOTE:
I want to sort this bandit stuff out today ideally

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numbers what are the conditions you eluded to? telling us would really help clear things up.

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gobble, any particular reason you picked me to be your prince? I an honoured

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Numbers, do you have the crown jewels?

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Lynch numbers - If town we lynch Pine
- If scum lynch CF

Lynch Pine - If Sum we lynch PP - presumably game
- If town PP is now immortal IC

That's 2 days so 4 deaths, worst case scenario numbers and pine are both town in which case we have an immortal IC in a 6v2 situation.

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If we go CF first and he flips town does that fuck things or are we still good to choose between numbers/pine or PP tomorrow?

I think the only thing that changes is the proportion of people we need to vote numbers goes up

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Why aren’t you/weren’t you more paranoid regarding bandit wincon elements?

EP saying some wincons are so much easier then others.

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VOTE: numbers

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What Menalque said VOTE: ARO

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DEB which ability did you pick?

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Do the Royal BGs need to be alive to name the three bandits? Like isn't their alternate wincon more reliable lynching inside the fake Royal BGs today before game end?

Nope, we just have to name the three bandits correctly upon removal from the game via night kill, lynch, or game end