mini 2093, the search - an interminable period of darkness.

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Hey, I’m your new overperson, gimme a little while to catch up

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Also, may I just say: fuckin hyped that I managed to get into this game. The group looks sick but I was overgamed at sign-up time.

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I am sceptical of story time

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Do we think duplicate win cons are likely? In the case that yes, do we think those people would be more or less likely to have the same alignment?

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Still need to read through I’m just tiffing o what’s happening now atm

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Skitt can i trust you this game?

Also I didn’t use a night action

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Fireball, have we ever played together?

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Honestly mostly just wanted to see how you’d respond to a question like that as I think I just lean towards TRing you and wanted to see if you’d take advantage of that

@fireball okay good to know

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Who was responsible for Cyrus being lynched btw, before I read through?

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I obviously don’t mean who hammered I mean who pushed it

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She also doesn’t like playing scum though

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At page 5 and I don’t love CF, gobble or ARO

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If there’s scum in ARO and CF and it’s not scum theatre between them my guess is CF for the scum

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Hey guys

I’m about 90% sure Cyrus is also scum

Explain this

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He was that scummy in your neighbourhood by post 170 here?

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Cyrus didn’t want to get involved in the current discussion because he didn’t know howp

This smells like bussing a perceived liability

This concerns me bc I know for a fact that you’d do this, pine

On the other hand it’s re:gobble and idk if you’d do it twice due to your bussing aversion

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I’m up to like p11ish

Here’s a p rough readslist incl what I’ve since start of D2

Elements
Skitt, pine, Baezu leaf, PP
Sky, deb
ARO, CF
gobble, numbers

There’s a couple of dependencies here (skitt is definitely not out of what I thinkher scum range is so I’m more just treating her as town for now with the caveat that I need to go back through and read her again imagining that she’s scum; I think pine is prob not scum here, but I think there is a chance that all 3 of pine, PP, Cyrus are scum and that this is a gambit) but this is what I’m getting so far

I think I’m prob wrong somewhere but idk where yet, obviously

I’ll try to finish the read up tomorrow, maybe not til weekend though

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Interesting that CF’s instant response to me scumleabing their slot is to try and discredit me

Also, if you’ve only played with scum!me how do you know that that’s not how I present my thoughts as both alignments?

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Also interesting that chenn seems to be tacitly agreeing

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i dunno.

agendas can change and you should know that.

my point isn't that you're actively planning stuff, it's that you're setting the stage to make it easier on yourself when you do plan some stuff.

weird take

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gobble are you an alt?

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incidentally, I hate trying to read chennis

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as of pg15 I no longer feel that numbers/gobble are that scummy, but idk if I'm just talking myself out of a scumread through good posting which is what I did with Carl Tuckerson in Purge recently

really not loving CF/ARO at this point in the read through

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yeah baezu leaf is town here, based on p16 baezu posts

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why is deb scum here as opposed to just being deb? as of p17

people who've played with him before does PP normally play like this?

TRing skitt but again that basically means nothing in terms of figuring out her alignment. I like that she was on Cyrus and had the same reaction to baezu that I did tho

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are you new on this site tho gobble?

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I think DEB is probably town. I think Elements is town.

kinda weird that you're actually TRing deb for his content at this point in the game tho

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He might have a guilty on you

I don’t.

I was around 60% when I posted that 90% figure, and sure enough he justified 90% in his response. I love when newscum fall for the old traps

this is a thing..?

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I think either skitt is town or her scum mindset vibes with my town mindset in a way that is gonna make her completely unmanageable for me in every game

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weird that none of you commented at all on my predecessor's complete lack of participation in this game but I guess as that was literally everyone it's not AI

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Menalque you feel scummy rn

how come?

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I think either skitt is town or her scum mindset vibes with my town mindset in a way that is gonna make her completely unmanageable for me in every game

When i'm scum i'll fake a mindset that i know will give me points with people

When i'm town i just say whatever think, whether or not it's politically correct

so I should be scum reading you here?

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Menalque you feel scummy rn

how come?

Idk some od your posts feel agenda-y

Like what? And what agenda do you think they’re pushing?

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And what I meant by the “i should be scum reading you here?” question is that i thought you were saying that if your posts are making me feel particularly as though your town that’s something more likely to come from scum!you

Which I thought was weird to point out

But I felt like you were kind of devaluing my read of you there, which is why I asked the slightly tongue-in-cheek question about if I should be scum reading you

Part of the reason I was giving credence to the TR on you re: baezu and other things of having a similar mindset was that I knew all of that was from before I replaced in

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It felt like you were saying you would fake a mindset that would give you points with people in general, not that you were faking one specifically for me, but that I should be more sceptical of you because that’s the type of thing you do as scum?

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I don’t think scum have some mysterious and generalised ~*scum agenda*~ I think they have a specific agenda that is scummy for specific reasons

I think I was clear in asking what about the agenda she thinks I’m pushing makes it a scummy one

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I’ll get back to you properly when I get home skitt but re: 761 that’s really not what I was saying

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I think either skitt is town or her scum mindset vibes with my town mindset in a way that is gonna make her completely unmanageable for me in every game

menalque, i thought this post, in conjunction with some of your other ones (i.e. the ones saying you liked some of my reads), you were implying that since some of my stances match yours{the beazu one in particular youpulled out} you thought it was more likely that we were living in the universe where i'm scum with a mindset that's vibing with your town!mindset


and i was sayign that i thought that was ridiculous because why would my scum mindset here vibe with town mindset given that you weren't here at the time

like if i'm scum, fundementally approaching the game differently than town!you, why would my mindset match town!yours unless i was trying to make that happen? and i obviously wasn't because you weren't here.

so I was actually going for the exact opposite, and you'd be my strongest TR if not for reasons I can't talk about

my point was that bc I think you're thinking the same way I am, and were thinking that way before I replaced in, you should definitely be town to me

it's only because it's

you

that I'm hesitant to TR you as much as I want to for that

and that if you actually do end up being scum here, that I'm slightly despairing of how I'm ever gonna play in a sensible way with you because if you flip scum here then there's literally been nothing I could have caught you from in 30 pages of content

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I mean I don't think I'd ever wanna lynch you here before LYLO, but in lylo I'd be having fits of paranoia about my TR on you

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Interesting that CF’s instant response to me scumleabing their slot is to try and discredit me

Also, if you’ve only played with scum!me how do you know that that’s not how I present my thoughts as both alignments?

Also interesting that chenn seems to be tacitly agreeing

wrt agenda-y: both of these kidna feel like you're trying to discredit people scumreading you

why is this more likely from scum!me than not town!me?

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i dunno.

agendas can change and you should know that.

my point isn't that you're actively planning stuff, it's that you're setting the stage to make it easier on yourself when you do plan some stuff.

weird take

no? that's literally how i play scum

idk it just seems incongruous to me? like, I think that's bad play from scum to be hedge-y at that point because it means that the progression looks weird later on

could just be bad scum, but I think it's mostly NAI so it seemed weird that you were pushing on that

is there a game where you've done that as scum that I could look at for verification that that's what you do?

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lolhammers aren't good but they're not a policy lynch unless they hit town

I'd never lolhammer town as scum bc I think that lolhammers hitting town should always get lynched unless the next day is lylo and probably even then they should be lynched most of the time

but I would lolhammer someone I thought was scummy enough as town to make sure the wagon didn't die down again

the fact it flipped scum is enough for me to at least not want a deb lynch right now

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also I was talking about the deb scumreads at p17 which I think is before the lolhammer dropped?

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people who've played with him before does PP normally play like this?

Don't be lazy.

??

I'm not going on a general meta hunt if that's what you're implying you think I should do

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I don't care enough to do that at this stage of the game

and if enough people say yes then I can know that not all of them can be scum covering for you, and town has no reason to lie about it

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PP why don't you tell me if this is typical of your normal play?

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re:783

yeah that's fair, I don't actually know how I'd react as scum here as I haven't thought about it

prob similarly?

it was mostly bc ARO and CF were pinging me (also I really didn't like the tone on chanel's post first post re:me?) and so I didn't like both of them hopping on to discredit me straight away

I find the way those two have been backing each other up since their big blowout early on to be weird

also I don't think you could have seen me do this before as town bc I had a streak of scum games and my town games before that were when I was feeling less confident as I was newer on site

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I think the whole way you're refusing to engage with me here is kinda weird PP

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not really scum weird, but weird

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like if you weren't SRing my slot already why not just engage with my questions in a normal way

if I think they help me sort then humour me

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where did I do that

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guess you can read it like that

it was more rhetorical

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do you also find me annoying elements?

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Only if he’s a goddamn liar

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Also I’m not outlaw but I’m still mulling over some elements of the set up before/if I’m willing to out

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Not seeing Menalque but would like to understand why you scumread him. I’m town reading him right now

I, too, would like to understand this

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>have a nap, go bouldering
>thread is 5 pages longer

Cool

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I just don’t wanna vote there until I’ve decided I’m okay with day ending

And I don’t wanna do that until I make my mind up about if it’s beneficial to me to reveal my wincon and give my thoughts on what I think is true and what I’m feeling sceptical of

Which requires reading through D2 and deciding how fucked I think the balance of the game is

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And I won’t be able to do that until late tonight/tomorrow because I’m playing Twilight Imperium all day today

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Elements, do you have any doubts about the veracity of Pine and PP as bandits together?

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Elements, do you have any doubts about the veracity of Pine and PP as bandits together?

No, not really. My wincon is simply to identify the bandits when I die. There's nothing to suggest there are any fake bandits or reasons the real bandits have any cause to his their identity from me.

do you really think that the game would be so unbalanced that their wincons wouldn't involve them being warned that someone is trying to identify them and to hide their identities? esp considering how hard some peoples' wincons are

I know that EP warned the game would be unbalanced, but this seems a bit extreme

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Elements, I’m really hoping you’re gonna understand what I’m getting at here

If you were an NFL player would you be a quarterback or a defensive linesman?

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Hush for a moment turkey, there’s a method to my madness

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Oh shit, I just assumed you were from that states haha

Okay, let’s shift that a little and say quarterback is equivalent to striker, defensive linesman to centreback

I, for the record, would be a centreback

If we imagine this is a match, have you taken a shot yet?

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It seems weird that if his wincon is just to achieve that he could just say “Can the bandits out themselves please?” And you could just go “yeah”

Like, that doesn’t seem unbalanced to you that there wouldn’t be some sort of disincentive for the bandits to put themselves?

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I think I've got you. I've retired from football and gone to work for the Strategic Homeland Intervention, Enforcement and logistics Division.
That help?

Honestly no, I’m more confused now because it think if we were on the same level with the quarterback thing then this is confusing to me

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Oh fuck, I missed 928

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Yeah I’m with you

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Okay, I think I’ll claim too

I’m Town Royal Bodyguard, same role as elements

This is why I’ve been sceptical of whether identifying the bandits would be this easy, but elements seems to have the same role pm I do so I guess it’s not

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Menalque, I'm assuming you also took the defensive stance

my predecessor did, I would have taken offensive probably

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town:

me, elements, skitt, pine, PP, baezu leaf, gobble

so I think I'm happy to lynch anywhere in the others, I'm not sure who I think is scummiest atm

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if numbers is scum there's nothing in our alt wincon against getting him lynched, literally all we need is for town to win and to identify the bandits

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why do you think there's scum in me-elements, FL?

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it doesn't say anything about protecting the empress in the role PM

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why could Cyrus not have been WIFOMing again?

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I think I'd prob rather lynch channel today and numbers tomorrow

idk pine, you feel weird here, but maybe that's just because I've only ever played with you as scum so if you're town then maybe you would feel different?

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play natural, they said, you'll get townread more, they said

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Skitter dies with us too if we’re killed like that.

huh? why?

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are both heads posting simultaneously right now?

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Were you informed that i/whisperers exist?

I feel like the false whisperer is prob mafia

Nope, only informed of a prophet.

Yeah, i feel Sky’s scum too, probably with Channel, and that’s the game.

what happened to one of me-elements is lockscum like 2 minutes ago?

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VOTE: CF

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hey pine, how many players did FL go through and hardcore in pastries?

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My prince is Elements, but he probably dead because he is a bodyguard
THE BODYGUARDS WILL PROTECT BOTH PINE AND PP EVERY SINGLE NIGHT.

I assume you haven't been fully understanding my numerous posts about how my role is nothing to do with my ability

This

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But okay, Mr. Turkey, I dig it

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Actually, them lying about that makes a lot of sense

I was thinking lying about being bandits (still think this is possible btw, but v unlikely by now)

Skitt what’s your wincon again?

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Turkey, if Pine/PP are lying about stuff does that fuck up the plan

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Pine, imma be real, this still sounds a lot like bullshit

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Could the solve be as simple as just all the bandits are scum?

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Idk, but I’m kinda wondering if bandit wincon is at least one bandit must stay hidden

What if scum!cyrus reveals that to his scumbuddies and they agree to his him hard bc that gives them the towncred to go through the rest of the game

Also potentially if the crown jewel thing is real to set themselves up to win early by becoming unlynchable early than normal

And the other bandits stay quiet because not being identified is their/is part of their wincon

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Pine, imma be real, this still sounds a lot like bullshit

I'm good at the game, but I'm not that creative.

Like, we just played scum together and I think you prob could be if you were efforting it

Also your scum replace in to my first newbie

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Also you did bus in that game

If you were thinking of blowing up your bussing meta why would you not do it here if you think it would give you the win?

Esp when Cyrus is the type of player who’s liable to be/become a liability anyway

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Skitt, did you ever say what your wincon was?

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Sky why am I in your null?

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Is there a vig left? They could try shooting sky if we believe them

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Do the Royal guards really just have to name the bandits..?

Yeah which is why I’m sceptical of the bandits not having to keep ttheir identities hidden as part of their wincon

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Is there a vig left? They could try shooting sky if we believe them

Basically the logic here is that if they try shooting sky and she dies then she was prob being honest about not having 1 shot BP

but then again if she can win posthumously and ARO can’t that might be enough the explain why one role has BP and the other doesn’t

Not sure which is more likely to be given to the fake tho

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Hence 1337, turkey

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Idk I still kinda like CF for scum

Also I’d rather swap pine/PP if we do go that route

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If we go CF first and he flips town does that fuck things or are we still good to choose between numbers/pine or PP tomorrow?

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I do kinda need to think about this again now I’ve slept tho, I’m not sure how much of last night was sleep induced paranoia and how much was legit/justified paranoia

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Hmm, I think PP might be the best lynch for today then

I’d rather lynch him than pine, and I think I’m paranoid enough that pine/PP are scum that I’d rather get that confirmed

Plus if they are town then we lynch numbers tomorrow

If numbers is scum too we lynch CF

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Idk maybe I’m being too paranoid here

Why aren’t you/weren’t you more paranoid regarding bandit wincon elements?

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Ugh I hate mechanics

I think I could prob get behind a numbers lynch if getting the Jewel thingy doesn’t lead to a win for pine/PP due to one being unlynchable in the case that they are scum

I need to actually think about the mechanics tho and that’s something I’m not gonna do until layer

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I meant functionally unlynchable bc of the super loved

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VOTE: numbers

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Yeah, basically

I’m ngl, I’m kinda pissed at you for fucking this up chenn

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I need town to win and to name the three bandits, elements is the same as me

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I’m done at this point but will vote to try and help other town achieve their wincon

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I think there are two more scum - ARO and most likely CF

-bae

EP’s post made it sound a lot like ARO is last scum imo

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Prob deb based on that last comment lol

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Yeah, why?

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Ohhhh, i think deb is lying

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I don’t think there are 3 body guards and I think elements is the other one

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Why were we assuming outlaw again?

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Maybe deb has a weird alt wincon?

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mod, are we allowed to ask deb how many sentences there are explaining each ability?

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ty o glorious one

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Why were we assuming outlaw again?

Because cf apparently needs to kill some outlaw but there's no evidence of said outlaw existing as far as i can tell

If CF was lying about 1shot vig it could still be deb who’s claiming bg in case we don’t lynch aro today

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Why do you care at this point when if you are town bodyguard you’ve already won

Just tell me who you want me to vote and when Pine/skitt

Still think deb is lying about something

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I mean

It’s pine

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I think the PP flip basically confirms pine

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Are there really gonna be 4 scum in a 13 player game tho?

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If we lynch aro and then lynch CF followed by deb, is this auto?

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And even if there is we’re pretty much 100% that it’s in deb/CF right?

So we can lynch those two slots for free after aro and even if they both were to flip town it would only take us to mylo

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ARO is town, and that’s proven with a CF flip.

ScumCF targeted ARO, and had no recollection of numbers.

Aro is town, CF is scum.

CF today.

~FL

...Are you fucking kidding me? ARO is literally modconfirmed scum.

FL r u high

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Right but aro is mod!conf’d as scum and we have it mod!conf’d that there are no 3rd party roles

Are we happy to just lynch aro at this point? I kinda don’t care if CF win at this point

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Pine if I see you post shortly before I’m online I’ll put it at L-1

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Three cheers for victory

You were in this!?

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Oh, turkey?

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Jesus FL, how many alts do you have?

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oh wow, I'm slow

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I’d love to play this again if you reworked it, EP

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I appreciate that balance would likely always be an issue due to needing to change the secret wincons to keep them, well, secret, but still

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Oh, sad times

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Any feedback/ego stroking for me, turkey?

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The feedback would be more useful, but the ego stroking would be more welcomed