Micro 882: Public Cop 9P [Game over!]

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NSG THOSE ROLE PMS ARE AMAZING

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VOTE: Flubbernugget

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VOTE: Shoshin

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LUV = posScum if Shoshin is scum

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Shoshin is going through the motions of making all the posts that town her should making here but none of them feel like they fit.

What should I be looking for to verify this

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Or is it scientifically, peer reviewed gut

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I'll explain why RC's scum later.

I would kinda like this explanation now

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RC if you are scum, what behaviors should I look for to catch you

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And you telling someone to vote Flubber to speed up the game is absolutely you signalling to everyone in the game that it was a pressure vote from you.

Wait why is this an issue that early in the game?

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Wait why is this an issue that early in the game?

It's not

The issue is that she's denying it.

Yeah I misread that completely and answered my own question

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RC, did you instantly scumread Shoshin or was it a pressure thing that evolved into a scumread?

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Oooh this is spicy

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VOTE: OversoulVOTE:

Yayy

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Fucking fail

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F in the chat

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VOTE: oversoul

VOTE: Oversoul

You two masons or what?

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VOTE: Oversoul

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Maybe... but I’m cooking up something myself

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I heard a Frost Giant.

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4 people just posted at 7:35 what are the odds

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RC, did you instantly scumread Shoshin or was it a pressure thing that evolved into a scumread?

Why did you avoid answering this, RC?

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Mediocre players ask mediocre questions ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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And i don't know how you wouldn't have figured that out reading my posts I think that I was pretty explicit.

I don't take anything you say in game at face value

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RC, do you have any history with LUV?

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wig = whatever I guess?

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I give up trying to stay hip.

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LUV, do you have history with RC?

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LUV, do you have history with RC?

Define history.

Have you played with RC before?
If yes, what were the alignments in that game? What were your interactions like?
If no, what is your general impression of RC as a player?

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VOTE: LUV

Scum1 found

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That uhhh probably makes oversoul town??

Bout damn time someone realized. But why did you say this?

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Pretty sure RC is wrong on his Catgirl read too

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LUV and Dunn scum reads
Catgirl town read. They are the only one that is even approaching a semblance of having similar thought processes

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I feel like despite everything that has happened Dunn has only done setup spec which looks like active lurking to me

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What does TMI mean in the context of mafia?

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I don't like CCC's townread on Oversoul/Dunn but everything else seems fine to me. I thought the way they interacted with us earlier comes from town more often than scum.

I'm concerned about Oversoul/Dunn atm.

Is this you saying an OS/Dunn scum team because if you think I’d bus in a game with a public cop and RC... well... that seems like a suicidal wish.

I think Zulfy is town.

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I ended up putting less faith in the scumtells I saw and was looking for other things to scumread him that didn't materialize.

What were you waiting for me to do exactly?

I had the opposite trajectory. I didn't see any of the town stuff I was waiting for, and rereading I don't get the sense he was trying to sort us at all. Plus the question in 292.

What were you waiting for me to do? What didn’t you like about 292?

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I am "scumreading" LUV, btw.

What do the quotations imply?

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So the read is weak then? You remind me of someone from a long time ago, but I can’t remember their name.

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Oh it was to imply the literalness of the word scumreading. And are those players you’ve read (past tense) or are you trying to get me to read those ISO’s in that order?

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Is this you saying an OS/Dunn scum team because if you think I’d bus in a game with a public cop and RC... well... that seems like a suicidal wish.

I have no idea what this means.

The way you phrased that post made it seem like you were trying to call an OS/Dunn team. I think that’s pretty bad because 1) I don’t bus, 2) it would be suicide in this kind of setup for a couple of reasons, RC being one of them. I don’t see what was so confusing about that?

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I’m caught up but I don’t think I got anything out of what I read because 90 percent of it revolves around meta that I’m not familiar with.

LUV still prime contender for scum for contributing absolutely nothing

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I’m caught up but I don’t think I got anything out of what I read because 90 percent of it revolves around meta that I’m not familiar with.

LUV still prime contender for scum for contributing absolutely nothing

Not sure what you’re exactly looking for or why you think contributing nothing is AI.

I think I’ve done more than you for the record.

Erm, I don’t think so, but that’s nice you think that. And contributions nothing is most definitely alignment indicative. It’s the same vein as activity.

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VOTE: Oversoul

LUV are you even reading the game man?

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I am a bad person but I will be active later this evening

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Lmao the two people I scum read on my wagon. So typical. OMGUS’d every day of my life to infinity. Starting to catchup now but will take a little since I’m stuck in traffic

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First things first, RC why am I a scum read yet you are on town Catgirl?

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I'm back y'all time to catch some scum or die trying

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Ooooh I have recent LUV scum meta

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Alright 12 pages. That's not bad actually.

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dunn, if scum, is almost definitely getting bussed.

What makes you say this?

LUV normally has super high post counts

I haven't played with oversoul in a while but I remember them obvtowning pretty easily

There's the entire me/rc debacle

So I have no clue what you're getting at

I dunno dude. I don't think that's true anymore with regards to what other people think. People constantly try to go for my head. It's funny because a lot of scum do it too. I don't know if I give off that vibe that I'm a

beta

bitch

push over (that fits), but it has kinda been a common trend that scum crash their ships rocks trying to go for me like a modern day siren song.

I have this gnawing gut feeling about something that I don't really want to talk about until tomorrow.

Noted

LUV normally has super high post counts

I haven't played with oversoul in a while but I remember them obvtowning pretty easily

There's the entire me/rc debacle

So I have no clue what you're getting at

That’s fair. To be honest, I’m not sure I have the energy to post a lot as town anymore. Everything seems to revolve around meta these days and when you couple that with the usual amount of noise in games here, I just get disinterested quick now and fall behind. Schadd can attest to this I think based on Abnormal.

A part of it also the fact that the majority of this player list doesn't really play that way either. I think if this game had players like Firebringer, I’d be posting a lot more.

I don't mean to be a jerk, but why did you join this game knowing all of these things?

I’ve also noticed a shift in tolerance to fluff posting since I came back. That gets a scum read a lot more now.

Rightfully so.

Do you have any reads, LUV?

Zulfy is probably idiotic town. Scum reading Oversoul.

Why for both of these?

I agree with those reads, any others?

Again, why?

you don't trust me?

I didn't say that. I'm waiting to see who you push for a lynch today.

From your point of view, what type of information are you looking for within RC's pushes? I know you said it is some form of metric using who is pushed, alignment, and what the reasoning is for the push, but what exactly within those topics will help you discern RC's alignment? Please tell me it is more substantial than "who = noob, flip = town, RC = scum".

i dont know what im seeing in flubber is personality rn bc there's stuff abt him i earnestly townread but not really that strongly

At this point in time, what were the things that made you earnestly town read Flubber?

possibly

i certainly am asking you that question as town though

I don't see how this refutes her point, or why you think this helps support your point? This would be something that we cannot possibly know for a fact in the current moment.

LUV is scum btw

Preach it baby. At this point in the game, his only scumread is me and he does not appear to be trying very hard to feign scumhunting.

Looking through Blacksite, LUV's posts are somewhat different, but I can't tell if that is because LUV replaced in so he was able to hide behind catching up and thus able to post walls and what not. I do think the same logical inconsistencies are here though which is what made me stay on LUV that game.

Statements like that are what make me think this could be your scum game, RC.

statements like that from you are why i make statements like that

Why should I townread you already?

I dunno. Usually you do.

I hate this whole exchange with both Shoshin and RC. Is there a lot of pent up anger between you two? Is that what I'm sensing from the tone of these posts?

I'm not seeing the specific town tells I look for from you yet, so I'm waiting to see who you push at end of day, why you push them, and how they flip.

What town tells do you look for in his play? I'm pretty curious about this because RC is a lauded player and I would like to know for my own personal gain.

it's not your read or lack thereof it's

1{the things you're generating your read off of}

and

2[the things that you're not]

.

Help me understand this. I broke it into two parts -

1{}

and

2[]

because this sentence is way too vague not to do this. Colors don't mean anything, just trying to make sure all popular forum skins can see the color without wanting to kill me.
Are you saying that

1{}

is Shoshin should know better about, or she shouldn't be using those things as a way to read you?
Are you saying that

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there are tells Shoshin should be townreading?

schadd is my strongest scumread right now

i could but not in a way that would be useful for you.

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it's not that you said you were on bacation

it just... felt scummy

Could you attempt to explain the things you saw in schadd that made you feel this way? You quoted a lot of his posts, but I feel like you're referencing something specific/only familiar to those who know schadd given your comment to Shoshin.

I think scum complain about games a lot more than town, especially when it's a player who prefers town.

I agree with this. I know I definitely do this as scum.

do you scumread me for this as well because this should apply to me...? i feel like at least half my posting is bitching abt something

Please don't break my heart

VOTE: Zulfy

Why?

dunn is now like near locktown after a shower + thinking on it

Is the Dunn locktown read more than just the fact that his wagon exploded?

schadd is not my choice of a lynch today But His Reads Besides LUV Suck - also hasnt made an effort to make use of THE PURRCOCET TELL notably

What is the Purrcocet tell?

luv town and esp never scum with schadd so jot that down

Why LUV town?

shoshin still town and probably not s/s with dunn anyway

Why were Shoshin and Dunn linked in your mind?

oversoul tr kinda gone

What changed this read?

Comments in purple.

schadd LUV ccc LUV oversoul

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I wasn't voting Zulfy at this point in time? I've never voted Zulfy and openly stated I read him town?

oh i counted LUV twice

4 votes

you should unvote

This looks and feels awful and I cannot make sense for why RC did this.

Dunn hasnt used the purcocrt tell because there is no purrcocet tell

Not sure I believe this but that answers one question

ok i'm not necessarily gonna lynch ccc today but i'm gonna play from here as if they're scum.

What?

I agree on the Zulfy read, but like, who are you even really scumreading at this juncture of the game. I wish I was here to ask this question in real time but c'est la vie.

if i don't flip scum d1 town loses. if you're town, do you want that? do you want to play into the gamestate of tomorrow where i led on town? why are you encouraging that as town?

I don't see how that is as big of a deal as you're presenting here... It makes going into Day 2 super solvable if just a few things swing our way. We could realistically be looking at a 6-1 with 2 confirmed townies and associatives to use as our foundatin.

i also just in general dont understand why in any circumstance it would be unproductive to vote your top scumread

CCC continues to be obvtown. I either don't understand RC's playstyle at all or he is scum.

i don't think i can present you an argument that will change your townread on him

but i do think i can get a lynch on him without your vote, so...

hello?

so based on that vc and my general feelings on the game

i think there's only one t/t pairing in

{flubber/zulfy} {rc/schadd} {luv/oversoul}

this is regardless of my actual reads on said slots, but i think shoshin and dunn are my strongest trs

if dunn is scum it's with flubber, im going to go ahead and say that shoshin makes sense with literally no one

It's probably the Flubber/Zulfy pair as Town/Town

why can't shoshin be my buddy

Ew, I really don't like this and this only makes my feelings about their earlier interactions even worse.

VOTE: Oversoul

Why?

i mean

let's be real

do you think that -not the person i'm votnig- gets lynched?

What is going on with this type of threat?

i dont really have a strong reason to eliminate any team comprised of two of {you/flubber}/{luv/oversoul}/{rc}, while i feel schadd/luv and schadd/you are both blatantly non teams

What associatives are you reading that make those definitively not teams?

This game is a mess to be honest because of skipping RVS.

feels like a town comment

Does this mean you disagree with Shoshin's Complaint Tell?

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11045435

What is this supposed to be a response to? LUV was town in that game and...?

Would RC bus his buddy in this type of game... hmm...

Zulfy’s case on me is so bad.

Let’s just all ignore him and lynch Oversoul.

CCC how are you seriously town reading this? How is anyone townreading this?

I don't think LUV is scum either

Why?

So it's looking like CCC/Oversoul

I know you meant wagons, but no on both accounts.

the wagons are ccc/oversoul while schadd is the leading wagon? on god?

I like this "on god?" I think I am going to take it.

where did oversoul go :c

Why me specifically...? I don't think I was the only missing at this time...?

I literally just fucked my neck up thinking this chair had any modicum amount of neck support and the chair stopped at my shoulders. I need to stand up.

VOTE: Oversoul

I don't know what to think about schadd

I'm not scumreading LUV

Flubber is...? IDK

Why the vote on me and why the read on LUV? What is making it hard for you to make a read on LUV?

can you draw out some of the reasoning for this / where you're getting an apparently large amount of team eliminations from ? rc/me in particular is odd

im soft voting oversoul rn but i think they have at least 3 votes already

Where is this coming from?

Oversoul idk how far uve read but ur dunn read hasnt changed..?

When I see people vote me as town, I typically scumread them. See my earlier comment about giving off this vibe of being a push over, but I definitely think scum think I am an easier person to kill because I generally have bad reads and also just rub people the wrong way so there's always this sense of unease around me. Go look at the completed Blacksite Micro in this forum. An all town bloc almost successfully hung me as a counter wagon to a scum day 1. Shoshin actually was a part of that bloc. I can't remember if I asked this already in my wall, but Shoshin, what is your opinion on LUV in this game compared to that game? You haven't said much about him.

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tl;dr

My LUV read unchanged. Do not think his play is pro-town at all. Not trying to scumhunt or generally interact with anyone in this game
My second strongest scum read is RC because I feel like from everything I've read his play would be different? I don't even know. Part of me thinks that he takes more pride in his scum game and would try really hard in this game because of the people here, but all of me also understands nothing about RC or his motives. I just do not think his later game stances in this game are well founded and it pings me as very scummy
Dunn would be my third choice for much the same reason as LUV. His last reads list seems very opportunistic in my mind
Outside 4th shot is schadd? But I don't really have a strong read there. He is a good cop target I think.

I feel pretty strongly about Zulfy, CCC because I feel like they are trying to sort the game. I also feel like Shoshin and Flubber are doing that as well more so than any of the players below them. It may be a basic and rudimentary metric to judge play off, but I think it holds true. Shoshin also reminds me of her town play in Blackskite (also incorrectly read me as scum in Blacksite). Of course I just probably signed my own death certificate with that RC scumread, but I'm probably dead anyway given again the glacial progression to a near ubiquitous scumread of Oversoul yet people don't actually supply reasons or seemingly have an openly stated basis for it

Ordering of my list would probably be
CCC/Zulfy
Shoshin/Flubber
Schadd/Dunnstral
RC/LUV

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I do apologize for the quote strip eye sore of a wall. I put some pretty colors in it though

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Knew it lmao. GL town. I wasn’t cop

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but I definitely think scum think I am an easier person to kill because I generally have bad reads and also just rub people the wrong way so there's always this sense of unease around me. Go look at the completed Blacksite Micro in this forum. An all town bloc almost successfully hung me as a counter wagon to a scum day 1. Shoshin actually was a part of that bloc.

also, you know full well that you're not hammered.

It was a preemptive thing and it was 2:30 in the morning and it looks like it was correct, so maybe take a chill pill? Shoshin just scumclaimed with that hammer anyway

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I feel like this game ruined friendships.

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VOTE: Shoshin

It doesn't have to be fun.

But your opener was doubly forced and I think keeping your vote down is a far more scum indicative than town indicative play.

Even that response that doesn't comment on my alignment (this is boring) is scum indicative for you.

This isn't RVS and this isn't just retaliation for your maintained flubbernugget, this is a serious vote that I'm placing earlier than I otherwise would because of the flubbernugget situation.

VOTE: oversoul

I don’t think I’ve ever played with someone who was this correct this quickly. Seriously impressive.

Congrats to Shoshin for her first scum win! Thanks for the carry.