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It doesn't have to be fun.
But your opener was doubly forced and I think keeping your vote down is a far more scum indicative than town indicative play.
Even that response that doesn't comment on my alignment (this is boring) is scum indicative for you.
This isn't RVS and this isn't just retaliation for your maintained flubbernugget, this is a serious vote that I'm placing earlier than I otherwise would because of the flubbernugget situation.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Yet you're asking Zulfy to vote FlubbernuggetIn post 24, Shoshin wrote:You could speed it up by voting Flubb instead of me.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Your alignment is already obvious and I'm not going to unvote you when you're making scum motivated plays.In post 27, Shoshin wrote:I really don't enjoy starting games with you this way, yet you keep doing it for no reason. My alignment will be obvious before this day's over, so this is entirely unnecessary.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Town you attempts to understand me then retaliatory votes me viscerally when you can't. There's none of that here, my motivation for voting you as town even if I didn't scumread you would have been super clear and I think that you would have tried to establish good relations with me rather than stick to your guns about a meaningless RVS wagon when you know perfectly well I can generate content without wagons.
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You're saying this rationallyIn post 32, Shoshin wrote:If RC actually pushes my lynch here, he's scum.
Town you doesn't make this post rationally
You make it in a fit of emotionality
You're trying to be town you by imitating the broader kinds of things that town you says and does in response to situations without understanding the context of them.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Never a town post. Imagine town Shoshin saying lol to me "making up lies" about her instead of calling me out.In post 36, Shoshin wrote:You're already making up lies about me, lol. Wow.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Where's your fight?
Why are you making the battle a tomorrow battle if you're town?
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Read our last game 762. Or like any of her games with me. I've pushed her to the point she's made ~posts like this~ before but they always came from a place of frustration and general emotion. What she's doing here is making these statements like they're the rational and sensible thing to do with no visible emotional attachment to them. I don't buy it.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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It's not gut and I also went way out of my way to explain to her how I went from point A to point B and she neither engaged me on any of it nor called me out on all the lies that I supposedly made.
I want to say her ignoring the existence of the cop is also scummy but empirically I don't think it is, so.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Shoshin as town would be arguing with the content of my posts (which by the way I went out of my way to express in a way that she would be able to meaningfully answer if she was town) rather than just handwaving everything as 'yeah it's scum RC' without actually arguing the point.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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In post 58, Shoshin wrote:I'll explain why RC's scum later.
Dunno it's really easy for you as town to just say I'm trying to eliminate you because I'm scared of you. And I think if you were town actually caught in the crossfire you'd give whatever response immediately came to you rather than sitting and thinking about it. You're buying time.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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I have absolutely nil motivation to give you time if you're going to pander to the crowd and call me scum instead of try to convince me I'm wrong by the way.
This is the way wrong question.RC if you are scum, what behaviors should I look for to catch you2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Does anyone disagree with me that it should be obvious from Shoshins point of view that my push on her is in good faith because knee jerk calling me scum without it being an emotional overreaction seems so, so out of place to me.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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All of that logic is so flawed
You correctly argue that I wouldn't push you as town as a reaction test but this is clearly not a reaction test and I said that immediately and even lampshades that truth.
I don't think you can possibly think this isn't how I deal with you if I scumread you, particularly given our last game where you were scum.
I'm also explicitly not trying to make you blow up: I've gone out of my way to convey my thoughts in a way that should I have been wrong town you would find on your wavelength so to speak and rather than engage me on any of that you've instead chosen to call me scum. If I wanted to piss you off it's evident from prior games that I know how to push those buttons and I had the choice all this time of shutting down engagement and just saying "lol Shoshin scum" until you died.
And you telling someone to vote Flubber to speed up the game is absolutely you signalling to everyone in the game that it was a pressure vote from you.
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Sorry I said literally the same thing you said in a post that came later and it's a massive misrepresentation of reality? And if you mean you reacting emotionally in real time is a representation, if I'm wrong, show that that's not typically how you respond to things.In post 69, Shoshin wrote:
This is a massive misrepresentation of reality. I hate how effective you are at doing this as scum.In post 61, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 58, Shoshin wrote:I'll explain why RC's scum later.
Dunno it's really easy for you as town to just say I'm trying to eliminate you because I'm scared of you. And I think if you were town actually caught in the crossfire you'd give whatever response immediately came to you rather than sitting and thinking about it. You're buying time.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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In post 76, Commie Catgirl Coalition wrote:
sorry i can see that this is going to be unpleasant for everyone from a mile away? if you're town i think you're right but im never going to figure out you're town from thisIn post 71, RadiantCowbells wrote:Actually fuck off Katy
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In post 78, Shoshin wrote:Why'd you misrep my reaction testing of Zulfy as "support for Flubb's wagon"?
You told someone to vote someone
And are trying to argue that you didn't show support for that wagon
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But you still are acting emotionally
Or at least
Your responses aren't logical responses to anything that I'm saying
But unlike in the contextual games it isn't clear following the thread of your posting that you're in an emotional 'hot state'2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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This is close enough that even if you disagree that that's exactly what you were doing you would never make it a hill to die on that that isn't what you were doing if you were arguing in good faith.In post 24, Shoshin wrote:You could speed it up by voting Flubb instead of me.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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And I think it's super obvious from your point of view that refusing to unvote flubbernugget alone is going to bait a negative response from me. In 761 you never placed any extraneous votes because I was asking the lobby not to place extraneous votes. How does town you not expect me to react in at least a similar way to this as town?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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It's notIn post 88, Oversoul wrote:Wait why is this an issue that early in the game?
The issue is that she's denying it.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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The issue is that she knows how I feel about keeping people away from quickhammers, she played around those feelings in 761, then comes into this game in a way that she had every reason to believe would antagonize me then calls me scum for being antagonized when her posting is lucid in a way that doesn't indicate that she's reacting like this because she's not thinking b/c she's sad or mad or frustrated or w/e2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Because I post obviously true statements that you're engaging me in bad faith?In post 93, Shoshin wrote:It's so annoying to deal with scum you because of posts like this.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Oversoul was throwing in questions in a way that was pretty safe and common for scum to do, perpetual gather info mode without taking a meaningful stance. Not lockscum but definitely +scum.
Katyusha simultaneously said that we were SvT (profiteering off of our spat assuming that you are in fact town but also probably bad if you aren't) then told us to stop yelling at each other. Not only that but the stuff that giggles said was about 'reading me correctly' and idk. On a simple level it makes sense as scum trying to have their cake and eat it too by calling us SvT and trying to look Towny for splitting up a TvT but on a deeper level I just don't think that's what Katy would say to me in that situation.
Notably I thought none of your responses would be what they were but here we are. Though I do know Katy significantly better than I know you.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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This is all weirdIn post 67, Commie Catgirl Coalition wrote:gonna be blunt i dont see how any of this is actually productive
can we just have rc/shoshin not interact until they townread each other early on or if later in the day there's still scumreads there resolve it then? i think it's entirely likely shoshin or rc could be scum here but if the day is going to turn into rc/shoshin i'd rather delay that for once i have a handle on everyone else :/
ftr i think this is probably a svt interaction just a very inevitably annoying one that could easily turn -ev
Like on the surface 'hey let's put this off til later' is protown but I feel that there's a specific standoffishness to the fact that it's Me VS Someone Else that wouldn't be present if Katy were town. I think she'd have engaged me about it rather than talking about ~the gamestate~.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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I feel like someone should be able to back me up that they've seen scum react to big spats in the same way that Oversoul did, by asking questions that don't directly solve the situation?
Why is this game so fucking weird about me2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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VOTE: Oversoul
Katy's response was fine and I was diffident in the scumread in the first place because it felt like the same kind of read I had on Shoshin that I'm not feeling so great about. Most of the "objective" reasoning I didn't actually put much stock in.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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But I'm not voting you. So...In post 131, Shoshin wrote:This feels like you're trying to underplay how well you know me for when I flip town.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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I know Katy as a person outside of mafia. We play DnD and sometimes Skribbl.io. I used to know them as a mafia player but like a longtime ago.In post 135, Shoshin wrote:You know Katy better than me but can't read Katy, RC? I'm very confused by this.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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I unvoted you in Fire because I couldn't handle your AtE.In post 136, Shoshin wrote:
You unvoted me in Fire too, despite planning to lynch or kill me ASAP...In post 134, RadiantCowbells wrote:
But I'm not voting you. So...In post 131, Shoshin wrote:This feels like you're trying to underplay how well you know me for when I flip town.
If I wanted to push and lynch you early this game I wouldn't have been going so far out of my way to talk your language reads wise and I wouldn't have repeatedly prompted you to answer my posts
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Then who should I be voting exactly?In post 138, Shoshin wrote:
I've seen town do it too so I dunno this seems like a bad reason to vote Oversoul.In post 129, RadiantCowbells wrote:I feel like someone should be able to back me up that they've seen scum react to big spats in the same way that Oversoul did, by asking questions that don't directly solve the situation?
I think that Oversoul's line of questioning is the scummiest thing in the game right now. I think that you and Katy are being weird about me in a way that I'm finding it impossible to stay meaningfully.
I have no fucking clue what you think you're doing right now is what role it would have if I was scum2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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On some level you have to realize if I wanted you dead as scum you'd end up dead, right? And since when do I make excuses for my mislynches as scum before the fact?In post 140, Shoshin wrote:The context in this post seems to refer to knowing Katy better in mafia specifically, not outside of mafia. Like, what's the point of even saying you know Katy better than me if you're not talking about mafia? This feels like you're trying to leave a paper trail to argue you don't know how to read me after you lynch me.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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Did you read the post where I said that the 'objective reason' (ie that) wasn't something I actually put a great deal of stock in and was just something I was throwing in to sweeten the pot for people who won't take 'RC reads this as that's as an answer?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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To make it seem more appealing to you even though a similar argument used against you went awry (presuming that you are in fact town)In post 145, Shoshin wrote:I don't feel like you're really answering my concern, RC. Why mention that you know Katy better than me in that post? What's the point of that?2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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I'm saying I said that because it's universally appealing but it wasn't ever my reason for the vote.In post 148, Shoshin wrote:I don't understand what you're saying here. Please clarify.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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And I think you should be plenty familiar with me giving a -universal appeal- reason and a -this is why I actually think they're scum- reason
And I had already said that I didn't think that reason was that great before you called it out, for the record.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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My Oversoul read isn't going to spew me town. It's a vote that I still consider reasonably solid equity but it's not a spicy read. Katy was a spicier read but also one I was on the fence about.
If you're looking for me to have certain caught scum by now for super enticing reasons, well, I don't.
But I get to there by going through here.2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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It would also be so fucking easy for scum you to do exactly what you're doing and I don't have a way to meaningfully differentiate. I hate this game already. I hate people being able to get away with so much shit around me.
No read at all, as far as I can tell he's done nothing readable2019 stats: Town WR 76.7%, overall WR 81.667%, 1 scum defeat involving a major mod error in lylo vs 8 scum wins.- RadiantCowbells
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