Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[skitter30]

Hey all!

@nexus i'm regularly vla fridays and saturdays

I'll be around this afternoon!

[skitter30]

ok catching up now!

[skitter30]

With no investigations available so far, and not knowing any player from previous games, i'd say both votes are for the sake of information fishing. It's ok, but i'd rather hear some reasoning first. I am personally voting you for picking me, i could have voted Menalque for randomly voting a different player, but you have chosen me.

this is ... oddly defensive for someone who understands what an rvs vote is

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No, my vote is bc skitt is conf!scum actually

heya menalque, what's doing?

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Should I get used to games taking this long to start?

VOTE: Sushi Martyr because something smells fishy

this one actually seemed to take longer than usual to start, not sure why; the whole site seems to be in a bit of a cool down

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Anything goes, as long as it makes sense and we can get something out of it. Menalque said skitt is confirmed scum. I'd like to verify.

ok

a) how do you think he'd know that i was confscum at this point?
b) how is voting me going to verify this?

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Might have finally found a game I'm motivated to play. ahs anyone got experience with the new setup yet? selynee seems slightly scum, but not much. oh, and farkran is town I think. not sure tho.

huh
i'm actually feeling the exact opposite

[skitter30]

ok catching up now!

dont make it a wallpost

please oh god dont do this to me

sorry, i used to be known for wallposts and then i was in a pithy posting stage for a bit but now i think i'm reverting back to wallposts

i try to make them readable tho

Just gonna throw it out there now that I think skitt is gonna accuse me of buddying her and SR me for it

ok, why do you think i'm going to do this?

[skitter30]

i guess i can either do a spamming catchup or a wall-post per couple of pages type thing, idk

and i'm around now so if people want to chat while i read lmk

[skitter30]

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

I like your profile picture.

I like the addition of masons, RC did a good job.

I've never played in a game with masons, will be interesting to see how it goes.

Also, hi, everyone!

bleh these is the sort of 'hi i'm popping in and going to make an rvs vote when there's already content instead of engaging with any of it' sort of post that i find scummy

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Menalque looking more and more like a troll.

I'd still like to hear from the silent people though, i guess i'll wait until they get back or something else pops up.

um why are you dismissing menalque as a troll here, i'm not sure he's done much troll-y at this point?

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1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or tow
5. Time zone/utc/typical posting hours

1. a lot at this point. i've been playing since ~ march 2017 and have played ... many games. on a bit of a slowdown/semi-hiatus rn
2. by asking a lot of questions and trying to see if i can track people's thought processes and if they make sense to me holistically; i feel like scum have to make bs up and it doesn't usually flow as a consistent thought process, so i focus on whether or not what people are posting makes sense *to them* if that makes sense, whehter or not it makes sense to me
3. by being more 'townie' then everyone else and pocketing people
4. if they're internally consistent and seem to be approaching the game from a consistent mindset
+ meta, i'm a big believer in meta
5. est; mostly after work (i have a 9-5 office job), sometimes at work if it's slow and i'm bored, i'm v/la fridays and saturday

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emps feels kinda townie i think?

[skitter30]

yeah so doing the walling catch-up type thing, i'll kinda pay attention to what's going on in the mean time but yeah

[skitter30]

teacher - mafia 60% too serious to be town PR

i'm actaully not sure scum, even newbscum, say this so blatantly in thread?

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No, my vote is bc skitt is conf!scum actually

That's a whole different matter then.

VOTE: unvote

VOTE: skitter30

lol i think they believed this

yeah, that's the bit i'm having trouble following;

@fakran in your previous site were n0 guilties a thing?

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Hey teacher, you’re like 1/2 on reading me so far, do you think you’ll have a better or worse percentage after this game?

um what's the point of this question?

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Spammy and menalque - talk to me about the fark early town? I’ve got a double thread greeting and an omgus. I like the activity but don’t see it rising above null. Why do you?

good post

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I stand by teacher being the most suspicious atm.

why?

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ur "analysis" is pretty bad. yiu dont need to analyze

random

votes

eh, kinda disagree; in the early game that's basically all you have to work with so i think it's worth it to make a mountain out of a molehill in general to get the game out of rvs if necessary; this game doesnt' seem to be stuck in rvs tho lol

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Ehh, emps can be town

yes, i think this is a thing

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menalque with the fakran wagon at ~p5 would you have been ok with the day ending there?
I kinda feel like you were encouraging emps to l-1/hammer there.
and maybe it's just because i hadn't really posted yet but i feel like the day was not *nearly* ready to be over at that point
how were you reading fakran at that point?

[skitter30]

I understand that me being a newbie here could trigger the experts here into thinking i was genuinely believing some of the early rvs claims. I might have played poorly since i overlooked that possibility. However, try to stick to the facts and read my posts from both a town and a scum point of view, i believe you will learn more than you expect to.

idk what you're trying to say here

did you really think menalque had a n0 guilty on me?

[skitter30]

L-1?

VOTE: Farkran

Last words?

huh

this comes from town most of the time i think

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I kind of like Fark's recent posting, even if I am 50% mafia 50% town troll according to their reads post.

what do you like about it?

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L-1?

VOTE: Farkran

Last words?

Lol, really? Ok.

I don't know if you were aware of your double vote, but hammer rushing is not just being aggressive, it's plain bandwagoning.

My town reading of you just went down to 40%

a) normally i would say that this sort of lacksadacksical response to the 'hammer' is kinda townie; i think scum are usually more survivalistic and would like freak out more here if they think they actually got hammered, but you're obviously p hyper-aware of the votes on you and knew you weren't hammered so i'm not sure this is a townie response in this context

b) what's the scum intent in that fakehammer?

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I'm kinda thinking exactly 1 scum in (farkran, emps)

? why emps ?

i still think he's p townie

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bleh fakran is like on this weird plane where i kinda hate all their posting but i can kinda see it coming from 'i'm just going to my thing and don't give a fuck about what you think about it' newbtown

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seleynee/Farkran

also what don't you like about seleynee?

No, but I always end up TRing skitt so I'm just pre-emptively putting her where she's gonna end up

lol this is a thing that's happening now

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That didn't look hammer testing to me. Claiming (or speaking at all) after being lynched is against the rules if i am not mistaken. That looked more like genuine rushy bandwagon.

a) you seemed to know that they were already on-wagon; why didn't it look like hammer-testing to you?
b) it's fine to speak after being lynched, until the mod 'flips' you and ends the day. that period of time between 'lynch' and 'day end' is called twilight, people can still speak then

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My biggest townread is probably Farkran, for getting people to talk. The fact that they pointed out they did this kind of negates it though. I also lean town on emps for asking those questions to analyze.

ok
a) why is 'getting people to talk' townie?
b) is farkran the only person you think has been doing this?
c) why does pointing out that they did this negate the townread?

[skitter30]

She went up based on my interpretation of her (currently) superficial analysis of the situation, which is to be expected since she has just entered the discussion and rushing to catch up over 10 pages of posts. If i were in her position, i'd also see myself as a desperate newbie scum, while people playing by the manual look way less suspicious.

in what way do you think my understanding is superficial?

No i did not. It's not possible.

ok, so why'd you vote me there?

[skitter30]

65 is just me shooting the shit

I didn’t want the game to end, but I did want L-1. I had enough doubts that I wanted to see how fark would act under te there’s of hammer coming down, cause I don’t think the pressure is there at the same way for scum unless they’re thinking about the fact that lolhammering could see them die right there and significantly swing the odds in favour of town

You’ve played with me, I think you’ve seen me push people to vote before?

wrt to 65 - it kinda looked like busy-work to me, like a question that's meant to look helpful and hunting-y but actually doesn't mean anything or go anywhere, but fair enough

i'm not sure i've seen you push someone to put someone at l-1 (/hammer) on p6 like this before, no

i don't think their reaction to the fake-hammer was great, tbh

[skitter30]

Movile posting so I'm gonna bevlazy, but Menalque and Creeper is my first guess.

My farkran read was a reaction test to see if anyone would go along, and Menalaue did.

Selynee is town tho for fakehammer. Teacher probtown, emps maybe town. Skitter is always town. I'm enjoying this game.

bolded is actually p townie

and i'm not *always* town lol, i just seem to roll town a lot, which is good because i really, really hate rolling scum

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gonna have to say that weakens my read on you a lil bit tbh NMSA, I thought we were mind melding

I think the newbie tell is bullshit site meta

i think that thought process/reaction-test, coupled with the carry-through on a read on someone else several pages and conversations later, is a townie one

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whats up with nmsa saying skitter is always town and menalque saying that he'll end up tring skitter

are they like really obivious as scum or do they always deepwolf/powerplay or smth

i have a nice banner next to my name

Skitter has a bit of a reputation. She rolls VT more than it is humanly possible. I'll assume she's town until I have an excellent reason not to.

i do tend to roll vt a lot, sure
this is an incredibly dumb, almost lazy, reason to townread me tho

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the numbers are sketchy and the sample size is not nearly big enough

sample size is p big actually

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Maybe the greeting tell was valid at one point, before someone made a thread in Mafia Discussion about it and people actually started using it in games. Now, if anything, I think it might be a very slight town tell. Of course, if it starts getting used in

that

way in games, soon scum will probably start doing it again and it'll flip back. So I'm just going to ignore it for now.

pedit: Since both of those are pretty bad reasons to TR Skitter, who only posted once to say she'd be posting later, I pretty much assumed neither was serious at this point.

i mean tbf i think the tell is still p decent on newbies who've never read MD given that, you know, they wouldn't have known about it

i actually think they both were serious

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Ask anyone about skitter, they'll back me up. Or

just read her gtkas, I think she talks about it in there

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idk if we should talk about this as it's from the speakeasy and I think it's kinda scummy to bring that up knowing that

this isn't scummy and i think it's scummy of you to frame it that way

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Interesting take. How do you think scum would have gone about faking a reaction test differently?

i don't think the reaction test would have necessarily, like, happened if he were scum

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He's bringing it up in support of something he's saying, but multiple people here won't have access I'm p sure, and I thought the rule was that we're not meant to talk about anything in speakeasy outside of it? So it's a way to say "hey, there's evidence for my claim" without it being verifiable/without it being something we should really be discussing, if my understanding of rules about everything in speakeasy is correct

i mean,

a) he said that i can verify it, that i've even posted about it in gtkas - the source of that info is right here and can verify if what he's said is true or not (i'm not sure if i actually posted it there but i've definitely said something of the sort in various places), so he's not really hiding something if i can like cross-reference it

b) so like i don't think he's deliberately hiding the source of his information

c) (aside) gtkas i'm p sure isn't in the speakeasy

d) i kinda feel like you're trying to find reasons to find nmsa scummy here; tbh this is p reachy to me

[skitter30]

i don't think emps is like exagerrated at all, i think he's just kinda like ~unfiltered~ and saying things as he thinks them

and the fact that he's saying the things that i'm thinking as i'm reading through is + town imo

i'll poke you on selynee tomorrow sure

@menalque

[skitter30]

Re: L-1. Hmm, maybe not. But then there’s also been cases where I would have but didn’t have the credibility, and this game felt active enough that I figured there might be enough folks posting to get a fakehammer off

were you at all worried about a real hammer going off?

like why did you think a fake-hammer was a thing that might happen there?

[skitter30]

I had assumed (and i'm still not entirely convinced) that she was NOT aware her hammer vote was fake, since i genuinely thought speaking after having been lynched was going against the rules. I still think it should not be allowed: if you get lynched, you either prepared your testament in advance (like we used to do in old forum mafias through the [lastwill] command) or you go out silent. For this reason, i changed my mind on Selynee being townish.

can you repeat this? i'm not quite following your logic here

it was p obvious that selynee knew they were fake-hammering, and your immediate post thereafter seemed to recognize this too, given that you acknowledged they were already on wagon

like i don't understand the connection between what you wrote and how you're readign her

skitter is hiding behind VLA so anything i say about her would be irrelevant at this point.

i mean, i wouldn't say i was ~hiding~ behind v/la, i'm less active on weekends in general and the game was open for like ... fifteen hours before i had time to sit down and post

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This is the second time you've been defending skitter for... no reason at all, besides her being VLA.

yeah ngl this still weirds me out a bit

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wow, who knew that *not* being here and *not* posting could generate so much discusion lol

wrt the hiding thing i'm kinda getting the vibe that farkran wasn't using it in a pejorative/neagtive sense, maybe misused the word; i don't think he was actually accusing me of 'hiding' behind v/la tbh, even though that's the word he used, if that makes sense

that bit of teacher/farkran back-and-forth feels lik some kind of miscommunication i think
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With that said, i moved emps and Selynee down in my list of suspects.

Did Selynee know about the fakehammer? Perhaps. Sushi didn't notice it at first. I almost didn't notice it, but i wouldn't have said anything anyways.

again, at the time, you seem to recognize that it was a fakehammer so i don't understand why you're pushing her for bandwagoning/quickhammering given that you knew that she wasn't then

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teacher defending me feels weird

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hi hello welcome to the probably 20 ish posts case of fark

enter : backwards logic

"hey so i see everyone seems to be random voting. why are you random voting me?"

"i see you are trying to get imformation about my alignment, which is town motivated. now let me OMGUS you real quick."

this post is great lol

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Anything goes, as long as it makes sense and we can get something out of it. Menalque said skitt is confirmed scum. I'd like to verify.

what is this

why

what role gets a n0 guilty

well now they're saying they know this wasn't real so uh this was a p odd post

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all i see is weird and backwards logic and shade throwing

This is often town indicative. Scum has to be able to actually sell. Town, esp newb town, is truly paranoid and often jumps down the rabbit hole to twisted logic. I suppose hike Menalque has been trending down on fark, I’ve been trending the other way into building a consistent - if different - worldview.

VOTE: emps

I really don't like emps' reactions to Farkran's attacks. Most notably, he seems to be getting desperate in his recent posts (specifically 303, 304, and 305).

Also, what point are you trying to make with that "scumreading two of the above" post?

um no, this isn't a thing that's happening rn
he's p obvtown
and i thought his 'i'm scumreading two of the above' post was great

and i wouldn't describe him as 'desperate' at all

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I think I’d say I’m kind of at:

Sushi, teacher, skitt (conditionally) all town

Selynee is pretty null

(Emps, fark)(NMSA, creeper) 1 scum in each prob

i don't understand the emps/fark pairing, nor the nmsa/creeper pairing; these groups feel p arbitrary to me

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Just gonna throw it out there now that I think skitt is gonna accuse me of buddying her and SR me for it

i mean given ~past events~ i'm not entirely surprised this is the approach you'd take for reading me
i'm not sure it's ai; i can see town!you realizing you have no idea how to read me (although i'm not sure defaulting to a townread is the correct way to handle the situation), and i can see you doing this as scum as a way to just like not have to 'read' me

[skitter30]

heyy skitter! it's been a while. my tr was in fact lazy, but it's early d1 and assuming you're town usually works out. In this case, I think it did, you sound pretty townie.

hey

you feel a lot more ~natural~ than the last time i've played with you; i think i'm tending town on you here

reads are something like:

{emps}
{nmsa, selynee}
{teacher, sushi}
{menalque, creeper}
{farkran}

let me check the vc before i vote

[skitter30]

the site keeps crashing for me, is this happening to anyone else?

[skitter30]

VOTE: farkfran

[skitter30]

a) Discussion is what really brings out all of the posts people analyze. It's progressing the game in its purest form
b) Honestly I think the sheer amount of posts is getting to me and I haven't really looked into things. That's probably my fault

i mean, i'm not sure why you're singling out farkfran as being someone who should be townread for generating discussion - like i think this reason could be applied to menalque, too, say, but you're not calling out a townread on him

i feel like you're looking for reasons to townread them

[skitter30]

ok catching up now!

dont make it a wallpost

please oh god dont do this to me

they made it more than just a wallpost oh god no multiple wallposts

eh i can do spam instead, either or

i tend ot have a lot to say

[skitter30]

Skit- talk to me about Menalque because I melded w you a bit there. I disagreed w the early townread on darque and his reads (there, emps) have seemed a little swingy. The meld was strong on the 180-220 bit of reaching to scumread spam after what was to me an extremely towny reaction test - like Nigeria at the player Nd looking for a rationale.

not liking him super much here, for a few reasons:

a) dislike him putting me pre-emptively as a townread. scum tend ot just throw townreads on me instead of like trying to fake reading me, or trying to scumread me - i'm a ... really hard mislynch these days, and it's ... just a lot easier to townread me than anything else, for scum, i think.

this kinda felt like that to me a bit

b) kinda felt like he was goading emps into l-1'ing to kinda make a hammer happen, at a *waaaaaay* too early point in the game imo, especially given that someone people hadn't even posted yet.

i don't think menalque / farkfran are scum together here based on how menalque's been interacting with the wagon

c) there was a third thing but i'm blanking as i'm writing this, i'm sure it will come to me shortly

[skitter30]

right it was the nmsa read - nmsa's reaction test thing comes from town like ... nearly always, and i don't get why nmsa having a different read than him on farkran on like p2 is a reason to find nmsa scummy

[skitter30]

it should be mentioned Fark is at L-1

also i'm p sure i placed an l-2 vote, but it's possible i miscounted

[skitter30]

Eh, knowing the wagon comp and timing now, I like it more. Thanks for that emps.

VOTE: Fark.

Thats L-1, folks.

i think teacher is kinda townie, actually

[skitter30]

I really can't stand her strong defense of emps though, i would understand doubts, but you're going too far here.

i'm p confident he's town

[skitter30]

Either VT taking it on a personal level (happens more often than it should)

is it bad that i think asides like these are kinda townie ?

[skitter30]

menalque: still very trollish, offers decent analysis from time to time. Reasoning behind analysis is appropriate, so i'm at a loss here. Looks strongly town PR to me, although i find it hard to believe at this point.

again, whatever your alignment is, it's a p bad idea to keep repeating this in thread

if farkran is scum i think it almost has to be with another newbie

[skitter30]

UNVOTE:

[skitter30]

intent

teacher, how are you feeling about menalque right about now?

[skitter30]

fark thats not whats reachy means... reachy means taking a NAI or even town posts and calling them scum. or just reaching for impossible scumteams.

i'm starting to kinda get the vibe that his previous forum is just ... very different from this one, and that a lot of what he's getting scumread for is different playstyle and expectation for how this game should go

a lot of it is also i kinda feel like if he were scum with like anyone in this game other than maybe ... creeper i think he'd be told to tone down some stuff (like announcing town prs in thread) and that doens't seem to be happening, he's just kinda digging himself into a bigger and bigger hole of his own making

[skitter30]

menalque: still very trollish, offers decent analysis from time to time. Reasoning behind analysis is appropriate, so i'm at a loss here. Looks strongly town PR to me, although i find it hard to believe at this point.

again, whatever your alignment is, it's a p bad idea to keep repeating this in thread

if farkran is scum i think it almost has to be with another newbie

Sorry for not playing by the manual - i already explained my reasons though.

i understand, i'm telling you that on this forum you'll be scumread for doing this, and might get lynched over it

it's considered to be a very very big no no

[skitter30]

3. skitter (disappeared completely, turns my townread on her down a fair bit)

again, can you stop saying things like i'm 'hiding' or 'disappeared completely', when i'm away for a few hours on the weekend or during normal work hours

you're acting like i'm maliciously avoidign this game when i'm ... busy irl

+ this is the sort of game i need a pc for and i wans't able to get on one until like half an hour ago or whenever it was

[skitter30]

Either VT taking it on a personal level (happens more often than it should)

is it bad that i think asides like these are kinda townie ?

I don't think so. The first paragraph of 392, where he addresses the possibility of emps being townie again, also gave me town vibes-- not quite the same thing, but might be worth mentioning.

yeah i'm kinda gettting the same vibes there too

intent

teacher, how are you feeling about menalque right about now?

He's where I would go next. The naked intent doesnt do much for me. I havent felt him in the way I would expect to, scum or town.

PEDIT: Yea, but two SEs have both told him its antitown to do. The doubledown on it strikes me as almost playing a TSTBS try.

i kinda want to vote menalque

i'm kinda feeling like he's very stuck on 'this is how i play mafia, it is the correct way to play, i don't care how it's played here or how it makes me perceived, this is what i beleive so i'm just going to shout it to the world, no matter what everyone else thinks about it'

and i think scum kinda change it up when they get this much flak

like idk how often do you see scum deliberately playing up a tstbs playstyle? in a newbie?

honestly skitter have you seen how many tmies ive asked them to claim and then they just dont?

yeah in pedits

idk why he's not claiming but idk why he doesn't as scum either

[skitter30]

That's the problem. I'm having trouble looking deep into things the same way you guys do. I probably just need to try harder, but maybe it's not my thing.

As for Farkran not claiming, I don't really read that either way. I don't really see it as a valid play from either town or scum. I think he has a reason for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

how does a chat mafia game play out

[skitter30]

Mechanically, games are mostly the same. It's just the fact that here, we have so much more time to discuss, analyze posts, etc. Deadlines are measured in days instead of minutes. I've been assuming that makes a massive difference in play, but thinking about it, I guess it's not so different after all. I also realize now that the way I brought up my past was a bit misleading - I have a lot of experience, but that doesn't make me any better at the game. There are people from PS (that's my homeworld) who analyze things just as well as people here. Maybe the problem is I've been comparing everyone on this site to myself rather than other players from PS.

i mean ... does analysis happen in your chat mafia games? like i'm confused why having more time is hindering your ability to analyze here ... ? if anything i think it'd be easier since you aren't rushed?

[skitter30]

ok, my overall vibe of farkran is that he's playing badly (measured against a metric of usual MS site meta), but given his background, i'm not sure he's playing scummy

VOTE: menalque

[skitter30]

@Skit: I cant tell if its just cold feet with much time left to play or if youve moved Fark up to null or are even towning. Where are you?

I ask because if youre town, Menalque (the intent) seems like an odd switch rather than reevaluating your reads of me/emps/selynee?

i think he's awkward town who's ~different~ more than scummy, sorry i thought i made that clear

i think menalque is kinda trying to subtly kinda courage a hammer on him (encouraign emps to put him at l-2, the intent), which i dont' much like, that's why i think they aren't partners

selynee i am kinda rethinking, the main reason i was townreadign them earlier was for the fake hammer; i'm not sure scum do that on anyone but a partner. but i guess my problem in this game is that i have a lot of people i'm townreading and i haven't found much else town from them so like the townread isn't as strong in comparison to my other townreads, if that makes sense. so i guess still north of the null line but i'm rethinking it

i like your reads, but i'm getting ~slightly~ nervous of buddying tbh

emps still town i think

[skitter30]

So far it's actually been kind of the same as this game. Random votes happen, then other things happen that I've never really been able to understand.

we can lynch this too

[skitter30]

if you care to help me @selynee @skitter @emps @nmsa @menalque please tell me why you are so strong on teacher being town because it doesn't make any sense to me.

as far as i'm aware, he's still sortable by post count

[skitter30]

teacher you haven't had any more scumgames since the last time i played with you, right? (the mini with scum!nomnom like a month and a half ago)

[skitter30]

just noting that the game has kinda stalled since menalque has gotten wagoned

[skitter30]

ya i'm doing the low-key burntout thing now too

[skitter30]

Votecount 1.5:

Menalque (3) -

NotMySpamAccount, teacher, skitter30

Farkran (2) -

Seleynee, emps,

Not voting (4) -

Sushi Martyr, Menalque, EpicCreeper9002, Farkran

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 9am BST on the 28th August 2019. (expired on 2019-08-28 09:00:00)[/b]

again, not sure why this is stalling
i think the menalque wagon is p townie

[skitter30]

I find it weird that you’re as keen for this wagon as you are skitt

because i think you've been trying to get in a lynch on lynch-bait-y town

and yeah the fact that the game stalled when you got wagoned is ... slightly concerning

btw the townread i had on selynee has all in all evaporated

[skitter30]

It is kinda weird tho

I think it implies one of the SEs is scum, prob telling their partner to stay off me to keep it looking like it’s not building cause it’s all townie

Idk if you’d do that as scum? But trying to read you is a nightmare anyway

It’s like, everything is basically NAI

this is some ... interesting logic ?
you think scum are deliberatley staying off wagon to create the impression of stalling-ness?

have you like ever seen scum do this?

[skitter30]

Like I really wanted to TR skitt for 342 bc of this:

“i mean given ~past events~ i'm not entirely surprised this is the approach you'd take for reading me
i'm not sure it's ai; i can see town!you realizing you have no idea how to read me (although i'm not sure defaulting to a townread is the correct way to handle the situation), and i can see you doing this as scum as a way to just like not have to 'read' me”

Bc that’s bang on as analysis

But I can see it coming just as much from scum!skitt as town!skitt

Fundamentally tho, I don’t wanna lynch skitt today bc I am, despite reservations and lack of reading availing, townleabing her

i mean i think scum!me probably just tries to pocket you; it would be a lot easier than, like, actually trying to sort you here and trying to figure out what the implications of loltownreads are on me

in my general experience, scum generally dont' view me as a viable mislynch, so they tend to just throw townreads on me till they can kill me

literally everyone is townreaing me here i think so now i have the tricky task of trying to figure out which ones are scum being lazy and which ones are actually because people are trying to read me

[skitter30]

Skit given your read could you comment on farks Menalque evolution?

i don't think i read that far yet? give me a few minutes

[skitter30]

That is hella survivalistic. Especially since their reads have not flipped. They still scumread me, and acknowledge that me-menalque cannot be a team. NO SENSE.

ok

assorted thoughts on farkran:

- i strongly disagree that he's been survivalistic; i'm p sure i said this earlier but when he was at l-1 he was ... p non-chalant; i'm p sure he said something along the lines of 'if you lynch me today you'll have a lot of information at least to work with'; while he was at l-1 / a viable lynch candidate he kept pushing his reads and telling people to re-evaluate after he flips. none of this really feels like 'survivalistic scum' to me tbh

- my overall vibe of his play is while he's being scummy *by our site's standards/meta* i think he's playing by the standards of his previous site. and things that look weird here are normal/townie there, wherever that there is. so like he's being judged on a different metric than he's used to playing again

i think he's scummy in a vaccuum but like in that context - his thoughts are internally consistent - the standards that he's playing this game by he's applying to use to scumread everyone else

like i think his thoughts make sense from a coherent pov, just a pov that isn't usually found in town on this site

i dont' think this makes him scummy

i think the vote on menalque is bad, sure, but i think it makes sense *from the thought process he's approachign the game with*. whether or not it's a thought process taht i agree with is not particularly relevant to trying to figure out his alignment

honestly i'm kinda surprised that you're not really seeing this?

[skitter30]

@Menalque, talk to me about Skit's Emps read. I could see that by scum!skit pocketing, but

I dont think by scum!skit on a partner?

Like that read opened me up to seeing the playfulness in Emps's posts (and yes, he can powerwolf) in a more safe/open/revealing manner because I thought it was confirming my inclination on emps' alignment regardless of skitters. But do you disagree with the underlined?

i dont' think i townread partners that way, tbh
i get too nervous they'd flip first and that i'd look bad afterwards

[skitter30]

How the fuck do you guys think fark town?

mena is way off his scum meta imo

ok talk to me about this ?

[skitter30]

wait what is this referring to? did you disagree with sely being scum, fark being town, or both?

both

isnt being hyper-aware of the votes on you scummy?
or is it NAI?

eh i htink it's nai

why does it weird you out? i feel like teacher was genuine atm maybe i should reread it

Spoiler:

Subject: Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

Wooooow
Skitter's entrance has turned this game into "let's go sheep skitter"

Subject: Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

ITT everyone tries to appease skitter

Subject: Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

Skitter was town because her vork read took off...

Town reading someone for successfully starting a wagon
Give me a tiny bit more or I'll flat out formally accuse you of putting this here just to try and suck up to skitter

Subject: Mini Normal 2080 ft. My Cats [Game Over]

Vorkuta (4):

skitter30, Dunnstral, nomnomnom,
teacher

u r a person 2 (1):

Nero Cain

teacher (1):

Cinnamon

nomnomnom (1):

Vorkuta

Detective Pikachu (1):

NerfedBuJ

NerfedBuJ (1):

u r a person 2

EvilDeanius (1):

Detective Pikachu

Not Voting (3):

EvilDeanius, Flubbernugget,
Saladman27

With

13

alive, it takes

7

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-06-22 09:30:00)

I also might add that it adds up to NC's earlier argument for a teacher scumread that his vote served no true purpose and was a placeholder so yeah, this is definitely the kind of thing that catches my attention. Skitter tends to be highly respected in these games and I think it could play a huge psychological factor in people's decision making here.

scum just behave really fucking weirdly around me ^^^^^

and teacher's v/la defense thing remined me of that, particularly vork.
it's not quite the same thing, but that's what i was reminded of when i read the vla thing

[skitter30]

I see it, and think it is possible. I just think it’s the more complicated position, when there is a simpler explanation (actually more than one).

I’m surprised you’re not seeing the survivalism. The Menalque (lack of) evolution is just he most blatant example. I feel like most of the reads - actually not me - have altered in ways that correspond with how Fark thinks they see him. I think the stalling on cloning is surivlistic. There’s more, but I’m mobile.

idk

i don't see survivalism, i don't knwo what to tell you
i see a crappy progression, but i don't think it's survivalistic, just bad

[skitter30]

How the fuck do you guys think fark town?

mena is way off his scum meta imo

ok talk to me about this ?

Also btw, since I know you believe in meta, does D1 scum!enps in 1941 affect your thoughts (on review it didn’t me, but I wanted to raise)

idk, i've never read it
let me get back to you

[skitter30]

could you better explain ur nmsa tr? or does it mostly come down to him feeling more natural?
what is your current stance on sushi?

feeling more natural + the reaction test, which i don't think scum does there really

sushi is a bit north of the null line

[skitter30]

'd rather analyze possible teams and interactions and get the most information out of it for future's sake.)

oh like this

like i think he's coming from a ~different~ pov/culture/meta, which seems scummy here

but i think he really believes it - he's practicing what he's preaching, and actively approaching analyzing the game from this mindset

[skitter30]

i think i'm still in the past, so let me read that part of the game before i answer lol

[skitter30]

@Farkran- Not rushing to hammer D1 is very possible- maybe mafia are just more cautious or don't trust themselves for one of them to be in the spotlight D2 and so on.
To be fair, you actually didn't say you have a scum read on Menalque or explain it till now.

I don't see much of a defence there...their scumreads at this point are basically based on an assumption on the bandwagons. And Emps on tunnelling (if still actual). Also, they never actually explained the strange scumread on NMSA at that point. You are right about forgetting about you.

How do you read the townlean on Skitter while also saying they wouldn't push her as scum D1?


@SushiMartyr can detail your read on emps (after catching-up)

feels kinda iioa-y to me, tbh

[skitter30]

if you care to help me @selynee @skitter @emps @nmsa @menalque please tell me why you are so strong on teacher being town because it doesn't make any sense to me.

as far as i'm aware, he's still sortable by post count

lol

why lol ?

[skitter30]

I currently have a fair townread on you because from your pov you see me playing like shit so you tunneled but you're likely angered town. Skitter realized she was tunneling on me, likely tried to understand my pov and switched. Teacher wasn't tunneling until last posts, now he's tunneling harshly which does not make any sense to me.

i mean townies do the tunneling thing too
not sure that this is inherently a good reason to scumread someone, which you seem to be aware of?

[skitter30]

No you didn't, or you would have noticed my full explanation about being ok with Menalque lynch instead of paraphrasing only whatever suits you. Tunneling (or entering tunnel vision) in my vocabulary means you focus on one target to the point you start ignoring everything else around you,

which is bad play and newbie logic USUALLY coming from angered townies.

Your definition of tunneling is what i would call pursuiting which is good logic but not so much on d1 where the chance of scumreading correctly is very low, and

so why do you think he's scum here ... ?

[skitter30]

EC, what is your opinion about teacher's answer to your question?

@ teacher

this one?
busy work

could see this as scum distancing badly (trying to like 'interact' with their partner without really pushing them)

[skitter30]

Not voting until I catch up properly

were you caught up whn you gave intent ?

[skitter30]

- he thinks reconsidering is a townie trait. it manifestly in him actively reconsiders his poe repeatedly, and does the 'inverting his reads thing' to imagine what happens if his reads are upside down

it also subtly shows up in the thought process behind is reads -> skitter is town for reconsidering me, teacher is town for not (or bad); votes menalque for having read changes that don't logically follow

- it manifests also in the fact that he thinks info-lynches are a good idea - it's how he confirms or disproves his theories. also in why he's not survivalistic - being lynched isn't great, obviously, but it provides that info that he's after for everyone else (even if he thinks we won't adequately be able to apply the information)

- also he talks in a like 'well obviously the way you lot approach this game is dumb and suboptimal, unfortunately you simply don't know how to play better, so you're all playing badly' tone that kinda pervades through all his posts (it shows up a lot), and i think this is kinda hard to fake consistently over several irl days

idk this was kinda rambly and not super organized; like i can kinda see the threads behind his posts that make sense but it's hard to put it into words, a bit

like it all kinda makes sense together
if you still don't see it i can try to explain again

when you say 'are they out of your comp pool' do you mean lynch pool? yeah i'm not interested in lynching them rn

[skitter30]

I think I get it. I don’t agree, but that is what it is.

Talk w me about the Menalque wagon “stalling out”. I didn’t see it happening before Farks vote. I feel like it was more game than wagon if that makes sense - that it wasn’t the wagon but the normal drop in activity after an early rush. Did it actually feel stalled to you? (This is more a gestalt/worldview question than a factual one, just curious about the “feel” of the game others described.

Do you think there’s a way to get creeper in? If not, any interest?

ya it did; it felt like the game just kinda ~slowed~ as he was getting wagoned, and ime that often happens in a game this size because scum are getting wagoned
there was a lot of activity in the early part of the game, and i still kinda feel like there's a lot (although not quite as much) activity now.
i def felt like there was a dip in activity for a couple of days that kinda coincided with the wagon

i could vote creeper

[skitter30]

Sushi Martyr- 182 and 216 fair questions, 498 seems an in-depth read on Menalque, 220 was actually ehmm....not sure how they'd read me based on this, "I'd like a chance to do that before you condemn me though" (450) seems to me way too polite more like fear of being scumread, reads are....plausible, but tbh, not a huge fan of announcing you are basing your read on someone else's meta. Scumlean

i'm not entirely following why this is a scumlean

[skitter30]

Also by this site standards Menalque should have claimed already, am i correct?

no, only if he was given intent, which i don't think he was given

[skitter30]

i think fark is talking ~at~ people, instead of ~to~ people, and that's where a lot of the conflict is stemming from

i think teacher is kinda tunneled

[skitter30]

Teacher/mena can be a thing as of now. Selynee never joined the mena train, another casual misrep that is hardly coming from town!teacher. I also never cleared sushi. All in all you seem to be really panicking now, which makes me even more confident that mena is a good info lynch at the very least - chance of scum flipping are quite high tough.

i don't think teacher is panicking

also i'm not liking selynee super much tbh

[skitter30]

As an aside, despite my belief you are scum, I want to give you credit for the Townie things I’m seeing. Another one is that I have made mistakes and you aren’t jumping up and down on them despite your scumread. That’s not only pleasant personally, but also is a towny action imo (even if it doesn’t outweigh my other thoughts).

(i think these things make him town, and that you're tunneling on site meta differences, and that we shouldn't be wagoning him)

[skitter30]

he's talking a lot but not communicating well, basdically

[skitter30]

Sorry, not so sure in my abilities to start analysing pairs so early. I'll say I don't think Menalque is scum with EC based on the fact he was the first to start scumreading his first post- don't really think this would happen if you see your mafia team is so new.

sorry, where did this happen ?

[skitter30]

Wasn't strong on menalque being town, faking PR is not a plus.

i don't think this is a thing that happened, i think this is a thing that you imagined happened and then attributed to him

[skitter30]

Fark is annoying but idk if that makes him scum

I feel less town on town vibes than I would expect from teacher/fark, but that might also be from not being caught up

i actually agree with this post

[skitter30]

Don’t think I’ve seen all the questions for me yet but: my intent wasn’t serious, and that’s part of why I didn’t ask for a claim

How high do you go on your town/scum percentages D1 fark?

i mean ... it looked serious?
and the fact that most of the game believed that it was serious and were pressuring him to claim kinda makes it serious

and i'm p sure you were posting while emps was going on and on pushing fark to claim and you didn't really seem to indicate it wasn't serious anywhere

(i need to check this in a sec, i don't remember if you were posting but i know i'd remember if you had indicated around there at it wasn't serious)

[skitter30]

did you like not read anything between 399 and 513?

[skitter30]

oh, just looking at my ISO to find where I declared intent: I'd forgotten that I was calling fark/emps as a possible pairing. So that means I've got to Farkran as possible scum in two pairings, through two more-or-less separate reads

sorry so was it serious or not ?

[skitter30]

skitt said something that bothered me but can't remember exactly what now: I think about scum!her just pocketing me?

but I don't think scum!her would try and pocket me through buddying me, bc she knows that I know that pocketing is something she chooses to do as scum

I'm also not sure she'd do that to me vs NMSA or teacher bc I don't think scum!skitt would view me as a threat that much

but if she was to not try to pocket me (i.e. what she's done) she might actually be trying to pocket me by not doing what she thinks I would have expected scum!skitt to do

the ways of scum!me are mysterious and inscrutable

really tho i have a pretty simple MO: pocket everyone i can, nk the threats that i can't, be too 'townie' to be in the lynch pool

i don't push mislynches as scum, or push people at all really; i just kinda waffle back and forth ad position myself well so that when people flip i look good

that's it

[skitter30]

like, I think there's a good chance scum!skitt just leaves me to push Farkran/someone else she knows is town so I'd take the flak after getting the lynch through

but when my activity took a hit then I became a reasonable first day iynch target bc I'm (1) easier to get through than teacher/NMSA probably (2) I'm less active than emps/sushi so prob also more viable than them (3) I probably become more dangerous late game to scum!skitt as a newbie and I think mislynching me becomes harder the longer game goes on bc I tend towards spewing myself town when I get active

i really don't think scum!me tries to mislynch town!you here, you tend to obvtown i think and i wouldn't want to deal with that

your reads are decent but not ~great~ so i think i just pocket you and keep you in the game to push mislynches for me

[skitter30]

The fact that Selynee's sticking around in the thread despite the high tension and has started posting more makes me feel better about her than I did before, especially because her posts seem reasonable.

The way skitter keeps defending Fark largely on the basis of him coming from a different site and being used to a different style of play, etc., gives me bad vibes.

1st paragraph: i don't really agree

second paragraph: ok :shrug:
what kind of bad vibes?

also i think this is a townie post

[skitter30]

also mena didnt post in the middle of it

i feel like hes kinda lazy tbh

yeah it was about mena

i was saying that he gave intent and is just now claiming that it wasn't serious

but he gave no indication of such until like a earlier today (irl today)

i feel like if he was posting around then he should have indcated that it wasn't serious if it wasn't
but he didn't post around then

and everyone else was treating it as serious so why did he take so long to say that it wasn't, until people started giving him flak for it ?

[skitter30]

100% nothing she's done here is a good reason to put her as solid town

this is true

tfw people think you have a competant scumgame

[skitter30]

I think I would be townleaning me based on my play so far

ehhhh this is kinda icky

[skitter30]

Her leaving out teacher in her latest update (#645), and him almost immediately correcting her might just have been the greatest scumtell ever that i had been overlooking until now.

this isn't ai
also i don't want to vote teacher rn

[skitter30]

I find it weird that you’re as keen for this wagon as you are skitt

because i think you've been trying to get in a lynch on lynch-bait-y town

and yeah the fact that the game stalled when you got wagoned is ... slightly concerning

btw the townread i had on selynee has all in all evaporated

surely the definition of Lynch-baity town is that they do things that seem justifiable for lynching

why is this scummy rather than me just disagreeing with you about whether the tells are genuinely scummy vs town being scummy?

I've been more reticent on fark than I think I might have been and I think you know why

because i'm wary of people repeatedly subtly pushing wagons on someone who i believe is town but is playing in a way that makes them imminently lynchable

[skitter30]

i actually don't think it's ai in the slightest, people just do that sometimes, i've seen it from both alignments

[skitter30]

I think a lot of people are overlooking Selynee and Sushi Martyr. I see good questions from them both, feels like town but could easily be made up.

big oof

we can lynch this too, i think

let me check the vc

[skitter30]

ehhh that wagon is kinda icky; both of the people i'm scumreading are on it rn

still happy wiht my vote i think

[skitter30]

i'm not voting fark today and i'd much prefer menalque

i can compromise on creeper; i'm not sure menalque is like ~viable~ anymore really
i do think the wagon is icky tho
are we ready for l-1?

i haven't had a chance yet to read the other game, i've had a p busy day
(also will be busy for the next couple of days; i'm vla over fridays and saturdays, just a reminder)

[skitter30]

vote mena with me!

[skitter30]

Fine

Just loudly repeating that i still think menalque is scum

VOTE: epic

[skitter30]

Question @skitter: you say you may be willing to lynch creeper, what's your next step if he flips town? What if he flips scum?

*poke*

if he flips town i think menalque

if he flips scum i think selynee

[skitter30]

wait why sely? is creeper/mena just not a thing?

I think sely has p bad associatives with them

[skitter30]

if he flips town i think menalque

if he flips scum i think selynee

Agreed, almost best possible answer from town!skit. Still scares me but analysis is top quality.

(Out of game: you have my respect skitter, you are a very good player regardless of faction)

Y does it scare u ?

[skitter30]

[quote="I

Agreed, almost best possible answer from town!skit. Still scares me but analysis is top quality.

Yeah, top quality. Actually, care to walk me through it? Cuz I've seen skitter's reasons, though I obviously disagree with me-scum, but not from you.[/quote]

Also why do u think that?

[skitter30]

The fact that you pretty clearly dont know how to read me

[skitter30]

Yes i agree that sitting on your wagon for like 3 irl days and trying yo get other people to vote with me is 'scumreading you without pushing you' , totally

[skitter30]

Is menalque really not a thing that we can do today or ... ?

[skitter30]

I've only skimmed the last 15 pages or so but happy i read fark and nmsa right

[skitter30]

I'm here for a bit but i dont have a great sense of what you guys are talkinh about rn, i skimmed like 15 pages in ten min

[skitter30]

I've only skimmed the last 15 pages or so but happy i read fark and nmsa right

That’s enough. What are your thoughts on Menalque - ate or town? I don’t get why he wouldn’t answer.

Ate

If he had a case on mr it'd be easy for him to say it, i think he's working to stave off the lynch tom and try to create other viable lynch options

[skitter30]

Yeah i skimmed those pages, but i'll reread them overnight to get a better sense of what went down, presumably i'll still be here tom

[skitter30]

VOTE: menalque

[skitter30]

skitter: why vote Mena today over me given that you said the whole thing about going to me if EC is scum?

i thought mena was kinda scummy (between his ate end of day freakout and him leaving the epic wagon at l-1)
and overnight night1 i was kinda rethinking my scumread of you - you were the first vote on epic, i'm not sure that scum!you hops on that early or stays on as the wagon builds; not sure it's really beneficial for scum!you to bus that way

[skitter30]

Also, pretty much no one outside Mena had a SR on skitter. Cuz her questions and answers were reasonable and did advance the discussion. Well, outside the SR on me because I expected to follow up with them, but might be play style. Also, to look at me more likely than Mena D2. But you know, should finish this today and she should try to give me lynched today if she still think I am mafia cuz it is the last mislynch town affords.

sorry, how are you reading me currently?

[skitter30]

I’m vacationing/camping this weekend.

I kinda want to talk to skit in realism time, and still haven’t reread sushi (school).

Like sely, I kinda think I should be the lynch for today, because I can’t be tomorrow.

hey, i hope you enjoy ur weekend

had a weird weekend, just checking in for a few min now, but i'll be around for a lot of tomorrow

i'm not sure scum!you and scum!selynee encourage a wagon on either of themselves; scum i feel like are more survivalistic
i'm reconsidering emps; i still haven't read the game that you linked; it's on my to-do list
sushi is in my scum pool rn

[skitter30]

im starting to realize this method of scumhunting is probably useless with a flipped scum with only 24 posts...

ya i'm not sure this is such a great technique tbh

[skitter30]

double checked, sushi hasn't been prodded.

@mod prod sushi and skitter pls

Idk if skitter is due a prod but im p sure they are

sorry, i'm vla on fridays and saturdays, i'll be around more tomorrow

sushi hasn't posted for like forever tho, they may have forgotten the site exists

[skitter30]

idk i feel like teacher could fake that, doubt sely could.

selys a tr/tl for me rn tbh.

Yeah, of the two of them, i think selynee is townier

Really doubt they hop onto epic that way as a partner

[skitter30]

i thought mena was kinda scummy (between his ate end of day freakout and him leaving the epic wagon at l-1)
and overnight night1 i was kinda rethinking my scumread of you - you were the first vote on epic, i'm not sure that scum!you hops on that early or stays on as the wagon builds; not sure it's really beneficial for scum!you to bus that way

OK, though I don't get why you'd see the leaving at L-1 so damning (not only you).

I think NMSA voted first there.

What you think about teacher?

At the time it read to me like he was trying to stave off thr epic hammer and was trying to find somewhere else to wagon instead

Teacher is the townier side of null

What do u think of him

[skitter30]

yeah i think that's nai

was she voting you at the time ?

[skitter30]

so who was voting you then ... ?

i'll prioritize looking at it today! (irl today!)

[skitter30]

ah ok

i was staring at taht a bit and trying to figure out where teh missing vote was if sushi wasn't voting you
it looks like they were removed from the not-voting list, and that menalque was no longer voting you

it's probably an nai mistake that nexus made when compiling the vc imo

[skitter30]

ok

i didn't read all of emps 1941, but i read the first 200 posts in his iso

emps a couple of questions before i share my findings:

1. is that your most recent scumgame?
2. is it common for you to do this 'be very teacher-y/explain-y to newbies' thing? have you ever done it as town?

[skitter30]

yeah ok it looks like you don't have any more recent games, is that correct?

[skitter30]

*more recent scumgames

[skitter30]

ok my overall vibes of 1941 are as follows:

emps was more lamist-y, including doing this 'let's explain everything to the newbies' thing; this had the effect of inflating post count while providing little content. basically seeming acting and helpful without doing that much.

i haven't really gotten that vibe from this game really, of posting to seem ~active~ and ~helpful~ and ~useful~

i'm going to check his interactions with his partner there now

[skitter30]

didn't really know how to interact with his scum partner, his progrssion on kani was all over the place, moving them from scumlean to townlean and back again as convenient, doesn't really interact with them or have a consistent progression

when the wagon happens he seems to just kinda pop on; there had been just enough scumleaning prior that he gave himself room to vote there if necessary

ok now let's check interactions with epic

[skitter30]

ehhh actually a pretty similar progression on epic imo

[skitter30]

he does a lot of the coaching thing too

[skitter30]

Skitt, I do want to jam with you about 1941. But also about me. Like I don’t see how you have me at null-town - you’ve Townes most of my play other than buddying you.

And that goes to the board too. I think today is shit or get off the pot on me. Like if you have doubts, I really think I should be the lynch today. I’m the biggest mislynch candidate left after two confirmed town (Fark and Menalque) scumread me. Sure, spammy found me town, but I don’t think I should be left hanging until tomorrow. Setup the best lylo possible - and that doesn’t include me unless you have made the call on my play.

i guess at the moment i feel kinda conflicted. overall i feel like the townie things are ~ stronger ~ on balance than the scummy things but i dont' feel confident enough to just townbin u rn

basically, townie things:

1. sortable on postcount still as far as i know; i still haven't seen scum!you manage to post like this although, tbf, i don't think you've been scum in a while

2. telling people that you need to be resolved today; the way you're doing it doesn't feel lamist to me

3. not sure scum!you can push someone that you know is town as aggressively as you pushed mena

there are however a few things that i'd like to talk some more about:

1. the buddying thing from earlier; it felt like u were trying to defend me which i find ~weird~ and it makes me kinda wary. scum behave weirdly around me and this reminds me of things i'm seen in the recent past

2. the whole argument with mena - you had been townreading him (had even taken him off the table when i was scumreading him earlier in the day!) - how exactly did you get to a scumread of him ~creeper hammer there? i'm rereading your iso - is it just that he wouldn't verbalize his scumread of me?

3. i still don't much like your fark push; i thought he was fairly obv!town at the time and i explained why, repeatedly, and i didn't much like how you kept pushing him for meh reasons that weren't scummy in context. or like acknowledging that you saw him doing townie things 660 but barreling on anyways

how do u think emps compares to 1941?

i'm kinda rereading ur iso as i'm writing this

Spoiler:

UNVOTE: creeper

Because I’m online and there is discussion of the claim to be had that is better had not at L-1. Scum could of course wuickhammer, and that’s a net positive for town, but I’d rather have not just your and my perspective.

Yea the setup was designed to prevent claimbreak strategies, which also limits fakeclaims.

Like scum never claims this in column B, because there is a 66% chance of being countered. Same in A+C because of A1!cop and A3! mason.

So actually with setup reflection Im inclined to credit this.

why'd you unvote after emp's tracker claim if you had seen what you beleived to be mason crumbs? ^^^

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post is kinda messy, sorry, i was kinda rambling and just doing a stream-of-conscious-y type thing as i reread ur iso

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sorry, this is a prodge-with-content, i had something urgent come up that took up most of my free time today, i will be around tomorrow more after work
and i'm kinda tired so if I don't make sense rn lmk and i'll try to reword/re-explain tomorrow

You’re a player I would try to reverse pocket rather than outright pocket, just cause I saw how you reacted to it before too.

this is actually a fair point

2. Here I’m leaking a bit into your comments — I don’t think I pushed mena that hard? Like I think that was spam and farks solve before it was mine, and I went along? I scummed Menalque most of the game - I didn’t like his calling Fark town on p2; the weirdness around spam in 180-220. I was even on the wagon til 540.

um you had like a 10 page emotional/aggressive 1v1 with him at the end of day1 that directly influenced the fact that he got mislynched the next day
so i'm not entirely sure it's accurate to say that you didn't push mena that hard
or that you just went along?

you were townreading him for ~quite a long while~ day1, to the point that i said that i wanted to wagon him and you told me that he was off the table and that i needed to compromise elsewhere
so i don't entirely agree with this characterization of your push on him, and dont' like that you're negating your accountability/responsibility/culpubility for it by sayign that 'you don't think you pushed him that hard' and that you just 'went along' with it

3. 540 is also my answer on Fark. I just don’t see how anyone joins their biggest scumread on a wagon targeting what they had previously called their second strongest town. And farks reasons were weak. For me, that move was pure survivalism - providing momentum to the biggest thing going at the time. Joining the repeated PR spec and it seemed like a scum setting up a fakeclaim (I’m a PR is the only plausible excuse for that level of pr spec counter to advice). I still think I read it right as survivalism, I just mixed scum and pr.

i have ~thoughts~ here but i'm kinda getting too tired to articulate them so this is a placeholder till tomorrow

4. On 1941, I asked you because some of emps reminded me of that in real time but I wanted to reread it with your analysis. Now that I have that, I will do that. I think it will help on both of you.

ok lmk what you think

5. On creep, because claims =/ crumb. I would expect most people would know tracker is a shite claim in this setup - it’s countered 66%, making it a BAD option. I haven’t fully thought through what fake claim is best, but that’s definitely not it, making the claim more credible. So too does claiming without intent.

ok so what were you thinking about the sushi/nmsa mason crumb thing when you saw the tracker claim?


@emps/sel i'm acknowledging that i see your posts but i'm kinda exhausted so i'll get to them tomorrow

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also reminder that the gamestate is weirdly stalled again

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*reminder to me, i need to mull over what this indicates

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Really sorry everyone, but I'm in far too many games right now, so I'm gonna have to sub out of this one. I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with everyone here, and it was great bantering with the likes of emps and Sushi Martyr.

But the pressure from rolling Rolecop was just far too stressful for me to handle, so I'd like apologise to my scum partner,

teacher

, and to the mafiascum community as a whole for my disgraceful act here.

Don't scumread my replacement for this please.

@mod:

Requesting replacement.

oh dear

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Fair nuff. It’s my best read. I’ll go creep, but I think Menalques off my D1 list.

Idk how I felt about selnyees question to creeper. It stuck to me but not for any reasons I can come up w. How bout you?

i think i understood this as you townreading him @teacher but maybe i misread this; at the time iirc i very much wanted to wagon him so when you took him off the table i took that to mean you were townreading him, and that's what stuck in my mind

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As for the 1v1 itself, I think I should have done better to realize Menalque was town and spewed so by creeper. But you’ll notice almost all of my contributions in that period were to ask him to articulate exactly what he promised. He kept complaining that I had somehow deprived him of time, while I kept pointing out that he had all the time he needed - the thread wasn’t locked for over 12 hours. Again, I’m not really sure why a player of your caliber sees that kind of emotion (and you’re right it was emotional) and decides it’s scum motivated to prolong the attention of having someone who is pretty certain to be confirmed town calling me scum repeatedly? Why wouldn’t ....

i don't know if it was inherently scum-motivated, and that's not really what my point in that post was either

what i said is that i believe that you were at least in part responsible for the mena wagon, and that i feel like you were downplaying your part in it by sayign things like 'you didn't push him that hard' and that 'you just went along with it', because i objectively i don't think that's what happened, and it feels revisionist of you to describe your interaction with him at the end of the day that way

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he does a lot of the coaching thing too

like what do you mean by this

is this referring to the fact that i coached kani? i kinda just gave them advice, does that count as coaching? i thought coaching was more like "hey copy paste this into thread and get townread lol : [thing here]"

eh by coaching i mean more giving advice, not necessarily like literally writing posts for him

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ehhh actually a pretty similar progression on epic imo

Thing is if emps was going to encourage votes on his partner so early and he'd know the PR claim (assuming they discussed at least this) would more probably be CC'ed, I think he'd at least want to be on him when that happens...voting for Mena there doesn't make much sense. Unless EC really butchered the plan (as in not paying attention to where we were and how many votes there were).

yeah i kinda agree

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vla for a couple of days

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vla for a couple of days

can we get an extension so that the day phase doesn’t entirely consist of replacing sushi and a weekend? Monday-ish?

^ please

Dealing with something irl, won't be able to be here until after my weekend vla (late tomorrow night), apologies

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skitter30- So this is the slot had Farkran the earliest. I felt like her defense of Farkran was occasionally oversimplified and glossed over some of the details thought, rather than digging into the real nitty gritty of why teacher and Farkran didn't see eye to eye.

i mean ... i feel like i did ~quite~ a bit of digging into why teacher and farkran didn't see eye to eye, and talked about it quite a lot

iirc my opinion changed when menalque gave intent; that wagon built kinda fast and i tend to get spooked by wagons that are happening ~too easily~, and reconsidering farkran i felt like most of his posts just felt like they were coming from a different site meta/different understanding of how to play the game

and playing differently isn't the same thing as playing scummily, it's just ~different~, and i disliked that quite a lot of people were going after him for what i viewed to be stylitsic differences that were not actually ai

wrt confirmation bias - i'm pretty stubborn when i feel like i have a read that i believe to be correct, and i'll just proclaim my opinion as loudly and often as i possibily can, irregardless of how other people feel or think about it

and yeah people just tend ot townread me; i kinda exude towniness as either alignment

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i like pops initial catchup; i'm not sure if reading the first 30 pages without having a role pm is ai tho

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*i'm not sure that *reacting* to the first 30 pages without having a role pm is ai tho

^^ more accurately reflects what i mean

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I actually know very little of skitter's meta though so it's a less offensive variant here. I think she was in that Boon game with me, but maybe that was skygazer, those feminine "sk" words, they give me a hard time.

nope, that was me

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emps: Not a lot of change. I hated that "Menalque seems to be trying convince teacher that teacher is scum instead of convincing us that teacher is scum" was glaringly resonant.

? i only remember this coming up like once or twice

what's the problem you have with this?

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skitter30: Maybe she is townier in some parallel universes where she WKs Menalque day2, but I'm not sure I have parallel universes where I WK Menalque day2. With the fiery 1v1 that consumed the whole day kind of everyone gets a pass on accomplishing things day2 or not. Do you guys really have to swear so much?
skitter is one of the slots I could sequencing the mason kills in the order they had. The newbie philosophy going into N1 would be, shoot the player with more experience. The pro philosophy going into N1 would be, shoot the active player. Suffocate the canary in the coal mine. Create a hellscape which favors the mafia. Stage selection is the first attack of the battle. You'll damage the collective performance of the several experienced players so much more than simply gunning one of them directly.

i mean, day2 i didn't think he was townie, so no, i wasn't goign to defend him that day

i don't think the mason kills were that strange; i think that most people there kill the active person over the inactive person

i'm not sure that experience is such a large influencer on the nk when of the two of them, one is obviously more involved in the game than the other

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I did not post before I had a role PM (nor draft the post) obviously that would be terrihorrinope

no, i didn't mean to imply that you did
just that i don't think it's ai to form impressions before you get a role pm

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teacher's reaction to the self-hammer and his attitude towards should-be-cleared twilight Menalque seemed off for a town teacher, but I'm not upset enough with it to outbalance the other things the slot has done this game, so he's one rank above being in the lynchpool for me.

yeah i agree

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pops i'm a little bit worried about the universe where scum!you reps in and realizes that you're pretty low in the poe pool and are trying to create a viable mislynch in emps

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Because I don’t think I could win a 1v1 v skitter whereas I think your slot could be redeemed. I think your slot surviving til tomorrow (and it would) would be better than my slot surviving (and it would), because I think people’s views on your slot are less defined/hard.

on balance i think that repeatedly announcing that he ought to be today's lynch if people are uncertain of him is p townie

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How come you don't believe in yourself and your ability to slander skitter 1v1 in the Thunderdome

i don't really like 1v1s but i basically always win them so

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vla for a couple of days

can we get an extension so that the day phase doesn’t entirely consist of replacing sushi and a weekend? Monday-ish?

^ please

Dealing with something irl, won't be able to be here until after my weekend vla (late tomorrow night), apologies

On a human:outside of game level, best wishes. You’re one of my favorites and I hope everything is well

tyty

had a bit of a mental health thing last week. doing better now tho!

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First, “directly influenced” means MAJORLY responsible, not “partly responsible”. As one of the votes on Mena, I am definitely partly responsible.

But there is a deeper level of bad analysis here, highlighted in the word “emotional.” You are absolutely right it was emotional. But why? It was emotional because, from town!Mena’s perspective, he had ALREADY been set up for the mislynch. Menalque himself says this a couple times on page 41, including 1011. In other words, the emotional 1v1 had no influence whatsoever on his mislynch, but was a reaction to it. And that’s pretty obvious, to the point that I can’t really believe you think otherwise. So instead what I see you doing is pushing off me today to keep me for tomorrow and use it.

um i feel like this is playing semantics but ok

'directly influenced', to me, means that your initial actions in some way influenced how the events that happened afterwards played out. i.e. your actions had some bearing on the later events. it doesn't mean that you were solely responsible, but that your actions did impact later events. hence 'at least partially responsible'. i don't entirely view 'at least partially responsible' and 'directly influenced' as like describing different amounts of responsibility in this context

you're acting like i went from 'majorly responsible for menalque's mislynch' to 'partially responsible for menalque's mislynch' when i feel like you're drawing a distinction my words did not have (or at least, did not intend for them to have)

and i wasn't talking about menalque beign emotional, i was talking about *you* being emotional

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Could you explain why I ought to read emps as town? Cause I mean. Maybe I'm bad. I think if I replaced into this slot to shade a universal townread and then get mislynched and then for the universal townread to not get lynched anyway the best way to maybe somehow salvage meaning and value out of this whole experience is to learn about reading emps and however many players intersect venn diagram blobbies with some of his ventricles

my overall feeling on him is that while he as scum has wim to post, he doesn't (or isn't able to) fake-solve

so he posts and posts and posts a lot, but they don't go anywhere, they just kinda are. like his posts make noise but there's very little signal in there

whereas when he's town, he still posts a lot, but there's a general like ~direction~ to his posts, like they're trying to do something and accomplish something. like he's using them to further the game, not just to post to announce that he's around

and in the early part of the game, i felt like his posting was p townie. there was a lot of it, but it wasn't overwhelming and it felt like he was trying to further the game

and after reading his scumgame i feel like his posting here is p different and doesn't really match his scum meta super much

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:shrug: i use a lot of meta + an understanding of how i believe that player plays/posts/thinks, that's kinda my go-to when i try to sort people

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bleh it's kinda hard to read into you asking to be lynched when you just saw me give townpoints to teacher for doing that

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it wasn't a criticism

it read like one

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i apologize.

It's just that a meta argument isn't generally applicable to my improvement as a player, so it's like, "aw dang, that explanation is valid but won't help me personally"

If I had also played 3 games with emps before and had come to a different conclusion and then he flipped green here

then

I would have something to learn here but I have never played with him and am not waist deep enough into this one to research

Not something that you need to apologize for, more me explaining where i'm coming from when i form reads

I get that meta might not be particularly helpful if you dont really use it / arent heavily invested in it, i literally dont know how divorce it from the game tho

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I think the post means genuine trackers as town so it's coincidence tho

Yeah ... i kinda dont think he tells his partner to lolclaim tracker given how he's spoken of the claim after the fact

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I think rc designed this setup to have very little room for scum to fake-claim

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Should I play Eve or Lazarus my next Binding of Isaac run?

Vote: skitter30

Do tell

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If I'm supposed to be townreading emps skitter is the only slot that seems voteworthy to me. It was in my first and second posts. Her stances throughout the game haven't been great. And she has been keeping her options open a lot today, more so than teacher (so has emps, but emps is an angel or whatever so okay).

a) i don't understand your read on emps rn or where you're getting the 'i'm supposed to be townreading emps' / 'emps is an angel or whatever so okay' bit from

b) disagree that i'm keeping my options open; i've been re-evaluating and trying to sort out the game

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hot take

If you hadn't made day 2 into a cussing match between you and Menalque

This game might have stayed enjoyable enough that ms.net stayed in Sushi Cat's bookmarks and you wouldn't be in this stall right now.

this is kinda :/

i don't think the teacher/menalque thing has much to do with sushi flaking; i think it's p obvious that they flaked, and it's a little icky to blame that at teacher's feet, i think

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I feel pretty sure it's skitter.

If emps is scum then he played his own meta so well that town!skitter strongly believed in an emps metacase.

You guys have pretty good odds with your lynch if that's the shot you take.

i feel pretty sure it's not me, and yes, i think that emps's play this game is p different than his play in that newbie, and i think that teacher's unsurvivalism/repeatedly encouraging his own lynch is p townie so

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VOTE: pops

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I'm pretty sure the self-hammer here is suboptimal

But I want to warm all your hearts with the knowledge that I thought critically about it. And I'm not positive.


I don't know that I have anything to add and if all my arguments sound terrible, maybe I'm only damaging the LyLo sort.

Maybe I'll review Selynee for the 1% hidden knife collection

ngl i'm slightly confused where the defeatism is coming from

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idk gut tells me to vote skitter

do tell

I am strongly assuming EC ignored his scum PT no matter his partner

then again this feels kinda tmi

emps, why has your posting dropped off so majorly this day phase?

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deadsheeping is rare and circumstantially it will be even rarer since you and selynee have no experience with me and skitter has 1 negative experience with me and teacher has no experience with me but is probably educated and can detect my 2.9 GPA

(what's the negative experience?)

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My read on emps is that at least 1 town aligned player with demonstrated mafia ability has a townread on the slot, wouldn't drop it in the light of my arguments, and has informational advantage on me, so correct play for the most part is to at a minimum not shoehorn it.

It creates this situation where there's a lot of correctness for proxying someone else's opinion in place of my own. It's not satisfying and if you had to do it 100% of the time mafia would be so unfun it is unplayable.

i mean i kinda fundementally disagree with this approach to sheeping; i only believe in sheeping A on B if i have some reason to believe that A is signficantly better at reading B than i am

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I'm confused about the genuineness of this thought, since mislynch teacher into emps seemed like the percentage play from scumpops's seat.

I'm not sure to what extent I should expect town!skitter to get that reconstruction. But I felt like I was pretty intentional about charting a path where I get mislynched and improve the quality of the subsequent lynch.

i mean yes ? i'm saying that if you're scum i think you're working on getting emps into a mislynchable position

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our only game was the boon game right? I didn't find any scum and was mislynched. Kind of the worst possible KDR as VT.

eh i wouldn't call that a negative expereince

a) i think i repped in after you got mislynched; i dont' remember you anyways that well

b) people have bad reads sometimes, or get lynched; these things happen; these don't really give me impetus to form a negative opinion of you; it just means that particular game you didn't play well

i usually reserve negative opinions for people who turned the game into a toxic mess

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So you think it’s almost certainly the very experienced players (me, skit, emps) not the ones with total lack (Selene, sushi) that lent creeper limp on like he did all game?

That’s my issue. I have a TR on sushi. I’ve accepted that I’m the mislynch for tomorrow when you will eat crow. I’m trying to help town for D4 in picking btw emps, skit, and selynee. I think I would encourage them to go seleynee. Either live with that advise or convince me why I’m wrong.

wait rereading this again in pops post - how did you get to a strong enough townread on selynee that you'd be willing to lose to scum!selynee tomorrow?

or am i misreading what you mean in the second paragraph?

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skitter is africa your favorite continent?

probably not, i think north american or aisa, why

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UNVOTE: Pops

Skitter -- are you assuming they flaked D3? (clearly, by your vote). Selynee's comment on that is the thing giving me the most pause about this lynch. I coudl see Sushi submitting the kills (man do I wish she had "last active" activated), but I dont get the flaking out after submitting the two kills. Like if she had the will to see that through, why flake out -- unless it was the early posts indicating she was definitely in the lynch pool.

I also tend to agree that lynching me would have been optimal scumplay from their perspective, and certainly not giving sely as hard of a townread -- certainly a case could be made that, by pushing against all lynches today, sely is staying above the fray while town fights itself out.

Im still somewhat inclined to this lynch, though also tempted your direction for the fence-sittyness earlier on Emp's positioning re: creep and me. I kinda want to see how you answer this before a lynch goes through.

i don't remember exactly when they stopped posting, i think ~day2? i don't know why they'd flake after making the nks; it could be they found keeping upw ith the game to be difficult, or that they didn't know how to respond to the suspicion on them

still disagree that i was being fence-sitty

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Apparently he decided to start thinking about partners around when Hectic replaced, and strongly locked a re-appraisal that moved me from a townread to dead last by a significant margin. I'm assuming Selynee's dramatic movement must have been part of that silent realignment, even though I don't see how partner-based argument are favorable for sely slot

yeah i don't get it

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Your avatar features Africa the most prominently

oh! i was looking for a pic of earth and this was first one i liked that i found

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Skitter if you go to a teach-emps-skit LyLo and you actually are godlike at 1v1s even though you don't enjoy them at all just like how I feel about Scrabble I only win if you're town and I want you to really think about lynching emps over teacher. Meta means something I know it does but there's a logical stopping point.

i def will; i rethink/reread like the entire game in lylo

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Skitter


How often do you think the scum PT was used

either the other partner was a newb and didn't have much advice or epic ignored it; i don't think he played super well if he was getting coached

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yo teacher, you around?
you wana explain where the selynee townread came from?

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bleh i'm not sure scum!you unvotes here ...

i'm kinda conflicted

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lmao

emps who do u want to lynch rn ?

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i like the random offtopic posting!
def not a black-list-able offense imo

is it crazy that i kinda want to vote teacher ???

also i'm kinda falling asleep but will do my best to check in before work tom; i will def be here before deadline

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VOTE: teacher

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Hello i have weekend vla and will be around tomorrow night/sunday

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i need to do some rereading

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emps why did you end up voting teacher over pops yesterday?

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I feel a little sweet talked about ending up on teacher yesterday.

If skitter has some mindblowing and amazing compelling case on emps I'll think about it, but I'm pretty inclined to just deadsheep teacher here.

My NKA was that scumskitter would shoot emps and more easily convince Selynee to vote me than emps, but Selynee was way more townlock than emps is so there's an inherent element of risk in the play, and skitter seems like a player I think would be risk-averse as scum

i am p risk-adverse as scum, sure
idk who scum!me would have nk'd last night; it also wasn't my problem so it's not something i've thought too much about

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popppppppppps

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i'm tending towards emps

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i didn't like how his teacher vote went down ultimately; it kinda felt like he had his pick of either wagon and didn't care about which actually happened; he flip-flopped back and forth a bunch of times and iirc was ok voting for all of {me/you/teacher} at some point in the last day or so ... which feels a lot like scum not caring which wagon went down so long as ~a~ mislynch happens

and i still kinda think that your unvote of me was townie; if you were scum there you were putting yourself in quite a lot of danger of getting lynched by unvoting so it was a very unnatural place for you to unvote as scum imo

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It could also mean emps is town who doesn't know who the scum is, though. Scum!emps would seem to be aware that mislynching me would lead to a emps-teacher-skitter endgame that emps wins every time, coinflip of how he wins it. I have a hard time seeing has he passes that up on the straight 1v1 decision of wagons at the end of the day.

Honestly, i think he's kinda stopped caring and just went for what was easiest in the moment, and wasnt necessarily forcasting what lylo might look like or what he'd need to do to win there

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Well then, was wrong on emps

VOTE: pops

Lmk if you want anything from me, emps

[skitter30]

Sure.
(Much) later today

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a few things on pops/pops' slot:

1. emps, pops came into the game trying to put you into a mislynchable position when she repped in and you were p much townread by everyone.

when this notion met with resistance she dropped it and you became a townread because, to paraphrase 1486, at least one townie was townreading you and was stubborn enough in the read that they wouldn't drop it despite her trying to push you. i.e., when the scumread became too hard to push and she got called out on it, she dropped it. this wasn't a natural read, it was an attempt to create more viable mislynches that got dropped when it didn't gain traction.

2. sushi didn't know how to interact with epic. she went from announcing that she wasn't scumreading him (195) to putting him at th bottom of his readslist - with a caveat that most of she finds scummy could be nai (543) and then just kinda puts him in her lynchpool (677) without really doing anything about it.

in short, she tries to take a wishy-washy middle-of-the-road read on him, but when it looks like he's largely suspected, makes sure she announces that she thinks he's scummy and that she needs to sort him, and then

doesn't do anything about it

3. and this brings me to another point - how overfocused pops has been on whether or not epic was coached.

i thought it was pretty apparent from day1 and it's fallout that epic wasn't coached, either because his partner couldn't or wasn't there. and teacher came to the same (reasonable) conclusion too.

pops at one point writes up a whole post (1493) that nobody asked for explaining how sushi couldn't have been epic's partner because her posting indicates that she is capable of giving better coaching than epic apparently received.

and then, when pops flip-flopped on her teacher read, she came to the conclusion that because teacher insisted on epic not being coached, teacher actually had tmi that epic *had been* but just ignored it, and used this reasoning as justification for voting teacher, which is bizarre logic, to say the least

putting all of htis together, it reads like sushi did try to coach epic, who ignored it. pops, knowing what actually happened, used this knowledge to throw out a reasonable theory from her pov to justify her teacher vote: that epic ignored teacher's coaching.

(aside, if i *was* epic's partner, i presumably *would* have done a better job coaching him. like, helping him respond to pressure so that he didn't spend the whole first day flailing, or, like, helping him sort out a better way to handle l-1 that didn't involve a shitty tracker claim that got him insta-lynched after he got cc'd; i like to imagine that i could have handled that situation just a bit more gracefully than how it actually went down)

pedit oh hi everyone

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yea dw i dont wanna get stabbed post game for no lynching lol

ya let's not do this

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or to summarize, since people don't like wallposts:

1. pops tried to make you lynchable when she repped in
2. sushi's associatives with epic were not great and she didn't know how to interact with him
3. pops had a very odd over-focus on whether or not epic had been coached; defended against his slot doing the coachign when nobody had acused her of it, and viewed the game through this lens to the point that she used this as a justification to vote teacher

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p sure skitter would stab u even though she's scum

for mentorship purposes because she loves u

nah i don't like stabbing people when i'm scum, it's too messy; i murderize people instead

but yeah real-talk tho no-lynching in lylo is equivalent ot handing the agme to scum, so let's not do that

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I actually kind of that it was really weird how sure teacher seemed about coaching

And what made you slide above him on my scale was about how you were more chill about whether it happened

I don't actually know

Can you tell me after the hammer?

i mean it was p obvious that he wasn't coached
idk why, but if he had been the game prob would have turned otu differently

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i mean i wasn't there so i can't really explain what happened in the scum pt that day

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nah i'd never lie to you

and yeah i actually like aisa, i lived there for a year, it was p cool

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pops, however this ends, i really enjoyed playing with you

[skitter30]

on it

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emmmmmmmmmmmps

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intent to hammer someone, not quite sure who it is rn tho

Well let me know if you need something else from me

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lol "intent to hammer someone"

My L-1 claim is Vanilla Townie


Skitter would you please consider claiming mason, I recommend that line of play for you atm

Eh, i kinda think we hit the mason quota for this game already

[skitter30]

ya

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nah you're good, and i've been kinda anticipating this for ~around a week, and am kinda impressed with myself that at the end of day3 i went from l-1 to getting teacher lynched for ... reasons that i still don't quite understand

gg everyone!

pops you were great

[skitter30]

Apologies, sleep deprived and should have waited for flip. Well played, all, and a pleasure.

enjoyed playing with you again!
you had me dead to rights, sorry for the mislynch <3

figured you being out of lylo gave me a bit more of a chance than with you there