Newbie 1951 (Day 4)

[EpicCreeper9002]

Should I get used to games taking this long to start?

VOTE: Sushi Martyr because something smells fishy

[EpicCreeper9002]

Today I learned forum mafia is a game you check every 30 minutes or so, not every few hours.

Reading stuff now...

[EpicCreeper9002]

Alright here goes

For emps' questions:
1. I have played a single game of forum mafia before and it was this thing called No Setup where you can use any action. I have also played a lot of chat mafia but I feel like that's an entirely different thing
That being said, I can't really answer questions 2-4 because I have never played a regular game of forum mafia. Plus, in chat mafia I barely know what I'm doing half the time
5. Time zone is EST.

My biggest townread is probably Farkran, for getting people to talk. The fact that they pointed out they did this kind of negates it though. I also lean town on emps for asking those questions to analyze.

I'd like to ask Selynee what they were trying to do with their fake hammer.

Why is like half of page 4 just emps and Menalque talking about a past game? I know you can look at what a player has done in past games, but none of that really seems relevant.

I'm going to UNVOTE: Sushi Martyr because RVS meme time is over. Also I have something to do so it's probably going to be another few hours before I post again (more reading for me, yay)

[EpicCreeper9002]

Votecount 1.3:

Menalque (1) -

teacher, NotMySpamAccount

Farkran (2) -

Seleynee, emps

teacher (1) -

Farkran

NotMySpamAccount (1) -

Menalque

Not voting (3) -

skitter30, Sushi Martyr, EpicCreeper9002

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch. The deadline is at 9am BST on the 28th August 2019. (expired on 2019-08-28 09:00:00)[/b]

Something is wrong here because Menalque has 1 and 2 votes.


I have no clue how you people can read into things so much - I've barely noticed anything off with anyone. I do think the argument about skitters is getting absolutely nowhere, but that doesn't really help with reads.

Question: What are the rules on modifying quotes? Like, could I cut out the deadline part of the message I quoted since it's not really necessary? Could I take sub-quotes out so a post isn't so long? Could I lie by changing the lynches up?

[EpicCreeper9002]

VOTE: emps

I really don't like emps' reactions to Farkran's attacks. Most notably, he seems to be getting desperate in his recent posts (specifically 303, 304, and 305).

Also, what point are you trying to make with that "scumreading two of the above" post?

[EpicCreeper9002]

My biggest townread is probably Farkran, for getting people to talk. The fact that they pointed out they did this kind of negates it though. I also lean town on emps for asking those questions to analyze.

ok
a) why is 'getting people to talk' townie?
b) is farkran the only person you think has been doing this?
c) why does pointing out that they did this negate the townread?

a) Discussion is what really brings out all of the posts people analyze. It's progressing the game in its purest form
b) Honestly I think the sheer amount of posts is getting to me and I haven't really looked into things. That's probably my fault
c) Mainly if there's a case of "oh I'm scum but I'm doing a townie thing look at me I'm town" (is there a name for this?)

The vote on emps was for reaction testing. He still leans town for me.
UNVOTE: emps

I do have a lot of experience with (chat) mafia but that doesn't mean I'm good at it haha. In other words, don't ask me what I'm doing because I don't know either

I'll see you all tomorrow. (Real life tomorrow, not game tomorrow)

Now "tomorrow" doesn't look like a word. Dang it.

[EpicCreeper9002]

yeah I'm confident on creeper scum now.

i dunno i could buy creeper/fark as the gamesolve but that feels wayy too easy

Here’s my issue w the wagon right now: fark has been put on L-1 twice (five votes, as skitter replaced sushi). I know I’m town and I lean heavily that way on spammy. So unless we are saying the team is exactly creeper-fark, farks likely a Mislynch.

Skit- talk to me about Menalque because I melded w you a bit there. I disagreed w the early townread on darque and his reads (there, emps) have seemed a little swingy. The meld was strong on the 180-220 bit of reaching to scumread spam after what was to me an extremely towny reaction test - like Nigeria at the player Nd looking for a rationale.

I’m not saying that’s not the team btw. But if people are inclined there, I think the higher value play is to lynch creeper.

UNVOTE: Menalque
VOTE: creeper

it should be mentioned Fark is at L-1

What exactly made all of this happen? I know it's probably something in my previous post, but what?

[EpicCreeper9002]

Me lynching emps was me doing a reaction test because that's one of the things I actually know how to do (or maybe not.) His reaction is normal and he's showing just the right level of aggression towards Farkran. Less and it would be scum looking like they don't know who's town already, more and it would be over the top.

[EpicCreeper9002]

With all of the reading into things everyone else was doing, I just wanted to do something to help. emps was sort of a random decision, he was one of the people who was active at the time so I'd get a quick result.

As for the reaction being town, I don't know, it's just a gut feeling I guess. But even though I think emps is town based on his reaction, other people can judge differently if they want to - the test isn't just for me, it's for everyone.

[EpicCreeper9002]

With all of the reading into things everyone else was doing, I just wanted to do something to help. emps was sort of a random decision, he was one of the people who was active at the time so I'd get a quick result.

As for the reaction being town, I don't know, it's just a gut feeling I guess. But even though I think emps is town based on his reaction, other people can judge differently if they want to - the test isn't just for me, it's for everyone.


Oh cool, there's an anti-ninja feature!
Nice catch by Farkran on teacher. I just have to point out that the quote from post 358 now says post 385?

[EpicCreeper9002]

Isn't that part done automatically? It's in a quote...

[EpicCreeper9002]

That means intent to hammer, right? Personally, I'd wait a bit longer to see if discussion picks back up again.

[EpicCreeper9002]

Any tips on how to participate here? Like I feel like I missed the emps/Farkran argument mess and am just picking at bits where I can. I want to help out (or maybe I don't this argument looks scary)

[EpicCreeper9002]

obligatory comment on getting pagetop because i guess that's a thing here.

[EpicCreeper9002]

That's the problem. I'm having trouble looking deep into things the same way you guys do. I probably just need to try harder, but maybe it's not my thing.

As for Farkran not claiming, I don't really read that either way. I don't really see it as a valid play from either town or scum. I think he has a reason for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

[EpicCreeper9002]

deep into things the same way you guys do. I probably just need to try harder, but maybe it's not my thing.

As for Farkran not claiming, I don't really read that either way. I don't really see it as a valid play from either town or scum. I think he has a reason for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

Talk to me of this mysterious beast named "Chat Mafia"

Do they have games there?

How are they solved?

"not my thing" seems like an odd deflection from someone who actually knew what mafia was like. Does your home planet rely mostly on PR/PoE play or?

Mechanically, games are mostly the same. It's just the fact that here, we have so much more time to discuss, analyze posts, etc. Deadlines are measured in days instead of minutes. I've been assuming that makes a massive difference in play, but thinking about it, I guess it's not so different after all. I also realize now that the way I brought up my past was a bit misleading - I have a lot of experience, but that doesn't make me any better at the game. There are people from PS (that's my homeworld) who analyze things just as well as people here. Maybe the problem is I've been comparing everyone on this site to myself rather than other players from PS.

There's a mix of themes that we play there. Two of the most prevalent themes are Greater Idea and Modified Execution (where instead of voting who to lynch, you vote for who gets a kill during twilight; Mafia "corrupts" players instead of killing - if a corrupted player gets the gun, they die). GI is more role madness-y and ModExe is one of the most analysis-heavy themes we play. There's a pretty wide range of themes. The biggest difference is that the majority of games are Open Setups, often pulled from the wiki here.


Anyways, I'll probably only be here today for a few more minutes. It just seems important to let people know that I won't be active. I'm still a bit reluctant on Farkran hammer, but if a lot of others agree, I won't stop you. Lastly, thanks for answering my questions about participation - I'll try to read over things again in the morning.

[EpicCreeper9002]

That's the problem. I'm having trouble looking deep into things the same way you guys do. I probably just need to try harder, but maybe it's not my thing.

As for Farkran not claiming, I don't really read that either way. I don't really see it as a valid play from either town or scum. I think he has a reason for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

how does a chat mafia game play out

So far it's actually been kind of the same as this game. Random votes happen, then other things happen that I've never really been able to understand.

That's the problem. I'm having trouble looking deep into things the same way you guys do. I probably just need to try harder, but maybe it's not my thing.

As for Farkran not claiming, I don't really read that either way. I don't really see it as a valid play from either town or scum. I think he has a reason for it, but I have no idea what that could be.

how does a chat mafia game play out

Mechanically, games are mostly the same. It's just the fact that here, we have so much more time to discuss, analyze posts, etc. Deadlines are measured in days instead of minutes. I've been assuming that makes a massive difference in play, but thinking about it, I guess it's not so different after all. I also realize now that the way I brought up my past was a bit misleading - I have a lot of experience, but that doesn't make me any better at the game. There are people from PS (that's my homeworld) who analyze things just as well as people here. Maybe the problem is I've been comparing everyone on this site to myself rather than other players from PS.

i mean ... does analysis happen in your chat mafia games? like i'm confused why having more time is hindering your ability to analyze here ... ? if anything i think it'd be easier since you aren't rushed?

Problem is I never really had the ability to analyze in the first place. In addition, there's more time to go over posts, but also a lot more to go over. Like I said, it might not really be so different from here after all.

yeah I'm confident on creeper scum now.

Spam - thoughts on fark?

Spam - flesh out your creeper read?

reminder for this page that Fark is L-1

heres two questions for you Spammy.

I'd like you to flesh out your read on me too, teacher. I've shown up pretty low on your recent list, and you seemed to turn against me around the same time as Spam did.

[EpicCreeper9002]

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My biggest townread is probably Farkran, for getting people to talk. The fact that they pointed out they did this kind of negates it though. I also lean town on emps for asking those questions to analyze.

ok
a) why is 'getting people to talk' townie?
b) is farkran the only person you think has been doing this?
c) why does pointing out that they did this negate the townread?

hold up if it negates the TR then why is epic still tring fark?

I meant it doesn't completely negate it, just sort of turns it down. Hence "kind of"

[EpicCreeper9002]

@selynee @creeper @sushi

You haven't been updating your reads for a while (if ever). Please do.

I'll try ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I feel like the whole Farkran & emps thing is just two townies fighting. I still have my townreads on them from earlier and I just think a lot of the arguments came from town perspectives.

NSMA's recent question to me felt town-ish but he honestly hasn't been putting much into the game (of course that's silly coming from me). My reads on him are more or less null.

I think a lot of people are overlooking Selynee and Sushi Martyr. I see good questions from them both, feels like town but could easily be made up.

EC, what is your opinion about teacher's answer to your question?

Spoiler: The question and answer being referred to, for reference

I'd like you to flesh out your read on me too, teacher. I've shown up pretty low on your recent list, and you seemed to turn against me around the same time as Spam did.

You’re an empty slot, but by choice not availability. You haven’t participated in the game. And you’ve resisted doing so when pushed.

I’ve expressed my thoughts on similar slots before:

(im good w/ your lynch......) “for a reason that seems callous -- if red, which I think is >rand, great. IF green, still not bad. I do believe in the 1:1 on and off wagon, so a green flip would have told me to reexamine my townreads. But given that [creeper] has not contributed any scumhunting OR (and the OR is in fact important here) claimed VLA to return at a date certain, even a green flip would have also removed a liability. This a lesson I learned a little later in my time on MS, but it makes sense to me. D1 and D2, you should of course try to scum hunt. But you should also get rid of town liabilities -- nullish folk that scum wont kill. Town liabilities should not make it to lylo because (1) they are an easy mislynch for scum to push and win the game, and (2) they havent been invested enough to have game-saving reads themselves.”

For one, your reasoning with "town liabilities" makes sense. Of course it's better to lynch scum, but as you say you think that's a possibility as well I can see where you're coming from. But I also find it odd that you came in after NSMA did, and also after what I think was my most contributive post at the time.

Creeper, come tell me why you're town. Selynee, please do the same.

I'm gonna be completely honest here: I have no idea how to do this lol. I feel like anything I say will just make my case worse.


I've said this before, but I think a lot of people think my amount of experience playing Mafia in the past correlates to my skill level. That is very much not the case and I am still horrible at the entire analysis thing

I kinda wish this thread didn't feel like a minefield where one wrong word or post and suddenly half the players are shouting for your head

this is me

[EpicCreeper9002]

Alright, it’s three days to deadline and a weekend. Let’s get a claim.

VOTE: creeper
That’s L-1

Well hopefully this is the setup that has a doctor... I am tracker

[EpicCreeper9002]

Who would you have tracked? Why?

I would go with Selynee. As I said before, they were one of the more overlooked players. I think it would make sense for scum to have the quieter player do the killing. I might have also gone with Sushi Martyr, but their recent post gave me town vibes. Of course, now that I've said this, things are going to be completely different (assuming I survive).

I disagree. Once they became a thing it’s obvious that ploy wasn’t working.

Creeper, did you crumb your role at all?

nOPE

[EpicCreeper9002]

I find it a really odd play to get us both lynched to avoid Follow the Tracker when you don't even know there's a doctor but okay

VOTE: Farkran

[EpicCreeper9002]

i still don't actually know if i'm hammered or not lol

i can't trust anything here

[EpicCreeper9002]

Since "bah" posting isn't allowed in this game ima just do it now then

DED

[EpicCreeper9002]

Jeez you all finally came together for something and now you're arguing more than ever