Mini 2097 - Make Me Regret This Game Over

[Elbirn]

Lmao, +1 for the flavour of our lynch being us shoving people off the table.

This is going to be a fantastic game.

But I love that we shove people off tables

I'm gonna yeet you off this table for being a copy cat

VOTE: EspressoPatronum

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Temporal Lich

[Elbirn]

#29 is a valid reason to vote as someone freaking flavorclaimed in RVS.

I'm a "Cuppa Coffee", lynch me

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Elbirn

I don't like how Elbirn votes without providing a reason and this is very frowned upon.

Naked votes are an acceptable form of gameplay

Take them within the context of when they're made

I agree with Tiphaine and I would like to wagon TL

[Elbirn]

I don't want ele lynched we're dating today

[Elbirn]

so yeah, if you're going to misrepresent me saying elements hasn't done anything scummy as me saying elements is an IC, then you're guiltied scum

This is an overreaction

I can't tell if this TL/TD argument is actual scum hunting or rvs nonsense

If I'm betting then probably TvT banter

If you're betting then scum hunting

but yeah TD is scum unless you can convince me otherwise, there's no way TD is town right now.

So is TD town or definitely 100% scum because here you are saying both

[Elbirn]

So is TD town or definitely 100% scum because here you are saying both

TD is lockscum as of now.

So what changed between post 92 and 107 that made you go from town to scum? TD didn't even make a post in that time span.

[Elbirn]

I'm just confused how TD is scum here.

I agree.

....

???

[Elbirn]

I'm just saying I'm confused too

About

what

Are you confused like "I dont know TD's alignment hmm very confused even though I keep saying hes scum"

Or are you confused like "wow you're definitely scum but HOW are you scum why are you doing what you do as scum"

Because either way congratulations now I'm confused too

[Elbirn]

Has anyone played with TL before? Is this par for the course?

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

[Elbirn]

You clearly missed 162, and there's a reason why I flavorclaimed. My role is potentially negative utility, depending on how the game goes, therefore I wanna get that out asap.

Then why vaguely hint at it instead of telling us what the negative utility is?

[Elbirn]

Elements and Elbirn were just because their names started with El, and I couldn't think of anything better.

I knew it

I'm currently going through ISOs to try to get some reads going, and I noticed this:

I don't want ele lynched we're dating today

Did GE say anything about you two being lovers, or is it just that you two are in the PT I made and you don't want them lynched?

No I didn't realize that my pt with elements wasn't super special secret and I thought it would be in my best interest to use it to sort him today and not let him die

I have done very little on this front.

[Elbirn]

First up, here's this handy part of the rules that Gamma Emerald's requested means of PM confirmation means you should all have read

Damage system: each player starts with 2 hit points. There are ways a player may take damage, as well as ways to prevent or undo damage. Taking unmitigated damage twice will result in death. Damage received in a night will not be made known to the players.

If Korina is telling the complete truth about that role PM, I'm pretty sure that would be a pretty obvious angle. But he's not.

Korina has a scum role. Maybe it does have some negative attached to being lynched but I am okay with biting the bullet right now

Dumb it down for me like I'm five cuz I dont understand the point you're trying to make

[Elbirn]

The only sensible way that kind of shit would work is hurting everyone after dying

Meanwhile Korina is somehow trying to push through that claiming part of a scum role makes him conftown

So flagbearer korina dying should hit everyone for 1 point of damage, I can agree with that. I don't see how that makes him scum. He never claimed anything contradictory, just said that he has no knowledge of how his flagbearer role works because its "modified", and I get that's kinda sketch but....???

[Elbirn]

Alright fine, I’ll admit it then. I lied about flagbearer. I used it to try to flush out scum. It worked. jjh took the bait so hard, it’s not even funny.

What is Korina at, votewise?

[Elbirn]

Also, here's a list of games where I played poorly. Compare them to this game, and tell me if you notice any major differences between them, (apart from the obvious flagbearer claim)
1, 2, 3

Y'know what? Fine.
VOTE: Korina

I'm town.

Big brain idea here, check it:

Maybe instead of playing like actual dog shit and saying it's just how you play

You could be better

[Elbirn]

I'm not because of this game. You're so blatently scummy yet nobody is addressing it.

The lesser of all evils is to kill my slot, and give town a chance to see how fucking scummy you are because of it.

Pushing for your lynch isn't scummy. What has jjh done that is scummy aside from wanting you dead for good reasons. Sell me on it

[Elbirn]

I just wanna note really quick that targeting me doesn't work don't do it. I already shared this fact with elements and I ~dont townread him~ so if scum already knows now you all get to know

K back to whatever mena/jj are doing

[Elbirn]

like it's actually fucking sad but I think this is just shit townplay from jjh. I've seen this style many times and it usually turns out to be town in my experience

No one else in this game aside from JJH is even making sense and I'm going to shamelessly buddy the shit out of him he did nothing wrong

[Elbirn]

I just wanna note really quick that targeting me doesn't work don't do it. I already shared this fact with elements and I ~dont townread him~ so if scum already knows now you all get to know

K back to whatever mena/jj are doing

Dont want this page-bottomed

[Elbirn]

like it's actually fucking sad but I think this is just shit townplay from jjh. I've seen this style many times and it usually turns out to be town in my experience

No one else in this game aside from JJH is even making sense and I'm going to shamelessly buddy the shit out of him he did nothing wrong

Hmm. Town points for thinking I don’t make sense — that’s normal, you’ll see it more clearly when I’m not on my phone probably. Don’t like that you think jjh did nothing wrong.

The only thing about jjh that could give me pause is the *confidence* with which he seemed to go about this. But he's been clear cut logical to me whereas korina pre-self vote was uh.....just really something special.

If you can dumb down for me like I am a child what makes JJ scummy I'll listen but I think we'll be doing that tomorrow

[Elbirn]

Yeah please don't I'm actually upset that you picked post hammer to finally """play""" the game and you're doing it by reviewing irrelevant nonsense

[Elbirn]

yeah like elbirn and jjh know that she has obviously been keeping up with the game. So that actually gives me some glimmer of hope for the playerbase in this game

I think you're giving me too much credit

I'm just annoyed that she's doing this

[Elbirn]

You’re familiar with my meta so you know I’ve played with EP, mastina, momo, TD, and elements before. At least the least, I’d expect you to remember if played with at least one of them. Why would you think I would work better with eth0s than with someone I have existing meta with and an idea of their playstyle?

Basically this.

I've never heard of Adorable before, and Adorable's lack of neighborhood engagement is literally half the reason that I am so disengaged from this game.

There were much, much better options available.

VOTE: Mastina

[Elbirn]

KORINA SELF HAMMERED @MASTINA

[Elbirn]

I kinda just want the flip now honestly

Not sure what else can be accomplished rn, but I am lurkylurky if anyone wants to holla at their boi

[Elbirn]

I'm power lynching mastina tomorrow btw

No more whining from me about it today, shes just gonna keep doing this, but its happening

[Elbirn]

Leave him alone he is precious like Nana's back hair

[Elbirn]

I'm going to have to admit I have not been checking the pt chat. Reason why was because Mastina only made 2 posts which were on page 1 and I assumed she was inactive. I checked the pt chat when Korina asked me if we were actually masons and I saw that the mason chat was just for day 1 and I saw that Mastina has been posting in the pt chat but she has not been participating on the thread. The Korina hammer happened too fast during my absent and I just came back.

Hi so just to be clear, a Mason is a role where two players (the masons) are confirmed town to each other and they get their own private thread.

If you have only one private thread with Mastina, and it's only for today, and it's the result of what Korina did pairing us all up, that is *not* a masonry. That is just a neighborhood and your alignments would not have been revealed to each other.

Just trying to be thorough because I don't want confusion, I'm pretty sure you two are not really masons and yall are confused.

[Elbirn]

You're caught scum trying to claim you were doing slayers

Pretty much, yeah.

BTW, will be busy with closing duties for rest of shift, so this is my last phoneposting of the night. Probably won't post once home from work, but I will give this thread attention tomorrow. (Probs once more while at work.)

MASTINA THE DAY IS FUCKING OVER KORINA SELF HAMMERED

[Elbirn]

Honestly though I'm townreading her

No don't

[Elbirn]

Leave him alone he is precious like Nana's back hair

We have shaved it as she began to have back problems from the length and weight of the hair.

I trust that you have woven the hair into a fine garment for Nana, yes?

A waste of such a resource would be worthy of the merciless three shoe beating.

[Elbirn]

Perhaps when we've solved this game, at the moment I am a cuppa coffee and I fear I would spill during our voyage

[Elbirn]

HAHAHA I just realized we are missing an entire slot. And I'm not even talking about Mastina. Go check the first post. jesus fucking christ

Yeah, that would be why momo is a townread.

Gamma didn't notice that momo was absent. If momo was scum, then his scumbuddies would've told the mod about his absence, asking for him to be replaced. Gamma not having done so is evidence that momo is probably lacking said scumbuddies.

Not gonna lie I checked the player list when ethos posted 602 and I still had no idea what he was talking about momo is so ghost

I guess I'll take a free conf-town in exchange for whatever the hell korina did today

[Elbirn]

I'm gonna be kinda out of commission for a while so schadd_ hopefully will take things over while I'm dealing with things

Drive slow homie

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Elbirn

oh god I really don't like Elbirn's interaction with mastina

Still willing to vote TD

Actually eat my asshole

VOTE: Mastina

[Elbirn]

I don't think anyone whose name begins with el is scum

Help me arrive at a townread on elements ples

[Elbirn]

I want anyone who thinks EP has done things that are pro-town this game to stand up and tell me what they are now. If they can't do that, I want them to tell me what makes the person they want to lynch today scummier than him. And if they can't do either of those two things then I want their vote on EP.

VOTE: EP

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Elbirn
He scumslipped in twilight. Thinking this could be scummates with mastina. fwiw I see him voting mastina there as an acknowledgement of his scumslip and it looks like they are trying to distance for damage control.

Are you talking about 695?

Yes, he is. What do you think of that post?

I don't see the slip he's talking about.

Yet you were immediately able to identify the post that the slip may have occurred in if that's what it is?

Hell of a lucky guess there, EP.

I don't understand how not knowing momo was in the game could be considered a slip

EP's behavior here though is wishywashy weird shit

sidebar: killing SoS was weird, no?

He wasn't doing much and wasn't particularly towny, so why kill there?

Anyone scumreading me needs their head checked if only for the sole reason that I would have happily shitposted all game with the living ed edd and eddy reference if scum

[Elbirn]

Yes, when korina hammered himself and said he was town I took him at his word because he is not the first nor the last village idiot to do shit like that. Not to mention that he continued to babble nonsense in thread for another 24 hours and I don't think scum does that.

If I'm scum why do I REEEE at dead town for being detrimental to the town faction when I could have done what any smart scum does and stop posting for the day?

[Elbirn]

Should I be claiming here? It's a bit hard to gauge how serious the push is.

@eth0s you're going to be vital in me proving my claim btw. You probably know why.

You shouldn't claim unless you're at L-1 and someone has intent to hammer

Ancient wisdoms fren

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

Don't mind me I'm just a flip flopper

[Elbirn]

Hey Elbirn, are you online?

Sort of?

[Elbirn]

Hey Elbirn, are you online?

Sort of?

What's your read on TL?

Stupidity is usually town unfortunately
And I think it was determined earlier that TL is playing to his towngame, way back when I unvoted him

[Elbirn]

Hey Elbirn, are you online?

Sort of?

What's your read on TL?

Stupidity is usually town unfortunately
And I think it was determined earlier that TL is playing to his towngame, way back when I unvoted him

Yeah read the first 10 posts in my ISO and I arrived at a "this man is from the moon" conclusion

[Elbirn]

Alright so question

Did mastina actually have a PT with Adorable at the start of the game

Because if not I think their first post was scummy in how deliberately “random” it was

Would anyone like to point me in a direction, give me a gentle pat on the ass and watch me go?

Because I'm having a hard time engaging when it seems like so much of the """content""" today is people insisting that I'm scum because of a """slip""" that I know isn't one because I'm me.

[Elbirn]

Ah, I didnt mean to multiquote that. Classic me, good job.

Yeah chemist I'm pretty sure mastina always fake claims masons with someone or something, but they were in a hood together

[Elbirn]

Oh good you're going to actually play instead of just pretending you are

[Elbirn]

Okay I would probably compromise lynch mastina over TD today

Why?

[Elbirn]

jjh
Adorable
momo
TD

Menalque

ethos

Espresso/Elements (I think one, but not both, of them are scum, but I can't tell which)

Elbirn

TL

This is about where I am at readswise.

I mean right now there's not much for me to play with, because most of the town is more or less on the same page, thinking there's probably 1-3 (average opinion of 2, thinking it's not all three, with some thinking it's only one and some thinking it's all three but most agreeing it's probably 2) scum in {Elements, Elbirn, EspressoPatronum}.

I agree with that assessment.

Where did your TL scumread go

[Elbirn]

Actually, no. Post 864 isn't even you calling the scum team and idk how to read. It's you looking at three names and saying "one or all of these are scum", an exercise which can be performed with any three names drawn from a hat and have about the same meaning. My bad.

I would still like to know why you're not voting TL if they're your top scumread

[Elbirn]

I'm not having a good day and I'm not reading 4-5 pages of text walls

[Elbirn]

I'm not having a good day and I'm not reading 4-5 pages of text walls

This is a complete mood

Not the one I'm in rn but

Congratulations you were the first reply, you may have one wish.

Game related wishing

Not like shitposting wishing.

You get one effort out of me today

Use it wisely

[Elbirn]

can I have it

Mmmm no you're gonna bully me

[Elbirn]

No but since you're the first person to actually ask for something I'll give it the old college try

No guarantees my eyes won't glaze over trying

[Elbirn]

EP v TL feels really tvt to me

Man are you off to a bad start

[Elbirn]

Huh I forgot about that whole TL-EP thing

I'd still rather you read the case and comment on it

I sure will, but does the EP vs. TL saga change the way you feel about TL?

[Elbirn]

Honestly I've had a lot of conflicting thoughts and pushing people like this is the best way for me to place people

I admire your candor.

VOTE: Elements

[Elbirn]

My initial impression after reading your case is that uhm...

Well for one I'm not sure how you can read into his hesitancy about voting korina the way that you do? At the time you thought he was wishywashy about voting a partner. With korina's green flip, that whole thought process is invalidated. So why does scum-TL hesitate to vote korina? Towncred for not being on the wagon. Why does scum-TL eventually join the wagon anyway? If his intent was to milk towncred the way you say then he.....doesn't. And yet he did.

Like, better explanation, you say that his decision had to have changed because the calculus on whether or not it's worth it has changed. This is false because the value of being on/off the wagon never changed, it was always "push a mislynch or don't".

Thanks for coming to my TED talk, I'll read a little more when I can

[Elbirn]

I won't bully you can I have a wish now

I'm sorry but the wish was granted to JJ


Just kidding I'm not a bad person what's up

[Elbirn]

Okay ethos I see how it is

[Elbirn]

my wish is that you read the stuff that you said you didn't read

Oh I'm working on it. But I am also at work. Job work. Is crunch time.

I think I want mastina put in the fucking ground now, more to come

[Elbirn]

@mena jjh is my tinfoil hat scumread and I want to play a game of cat and mouse with him pretending to townread him while hoping that he spews his buddies and his blatant white knighting of me keeps me from getting mislynched due to my continued lack of giving a fuck, shhhhh bb *pets face*

[Elbirn]

Like it's literally elements/mastina/jjh but I have no basis for this I'm just a genius unless I'm wrong

[Elbirn]

VOTE: Elbirn

Go away

[Elbirn]

VOTE: jjh

I reread mena's case and I'm inclined to agree, jjh does a good job of crafting narratives about other players but they're logically inconsistent. See also him forgetting about his saying that ep and tl are TvT and then mere hours later casing TL

[Elbirn]

VOTE: jjh

I reread mena's case and I'm inclined to agree, jjh does a good job of crafting narratives about other players but they're logically inconsistent. See also him forgetting about his saying that ep and tl are TvT and then mere hours later casing TL

There were over 24 hours between those posts fwiw

You
Are
Correct

I did not mean to tell a fib, I really thought they were hours apart and not a whole day I forgot, sorry

[Elbirn]

(Its still inconsistent and I do not like that you didn't take into account what you had previously thought on the subject)(see also again ep vs tl)

[Elbirn]

It did mostly hinge on Korina!scum at the time. It was a fairly lazy scumread; if Korina was scum, TL was absolutely scum. I did not need to do more thinking. Then, Korina flipped town and I did some more thinking, alongside asking deb about reads. I do have more scepticism on TL, yeah. I think you might want to reread some shit.

What made TL scum if Korina was scum? If you've already detailed this elsewhere just link a post, but I really want to know what was so damning about a TL/Korina connection that you would rely on a preflip association so strongly with no additional thought necessary

[Elbirn]

So if I understand correctly

Day 1, all of those posts were indicative of TL scum if Korina scum
Day 2, all of those posts are indicative of TL scum not wanting to be on a mislynch per your TL case

Yes?

[Elbirn]

Your next line is

"But that means it didn't hinge on Korina!scum!"

I mean if it did you would have stopped scumreading him when korina flipped town

I won't be pedantic about it, whatever, TL was being weird about the wagon. You've changed your mind about why. I'm not sure if you're town and updating your analysis based on what happened and TL is scummy for different reasons now or if you're scum keeping your analysis the same and twisting the events to suit the narrative that you want to push.

If that made sense and wasn't word salad that is

[Elbirn]

Deb didn't like Elbirn that much
He thought mastina was pretty towny
He had a fairly strong EP townread, I think based on meta
Elements was hard to describe and probably town

He could see TL scum

Rolf didn't like me? I thought we were pals

Mastina is town. She is disengaged but putting effort in to stay afloat. Once again, why is the push here on weird wordy shit when you can see her thought processes? The timing of that catchup blob might be jarring but it's town af. Please disregard any ill feelings you have towards that being the content we got from mastina at eod1 in lieu of real time conversation, and tell me whether that's faked for towncred and relevancy or mastina's real thought process while trying to come back into the game.

You've insisted on a townread of mastina but this is the closest I've found in your iso to a reason why, and its uh...still not a reason why. Not really explained that is.

What made her catchup blob "town af"? I came away with the opposite feeling and her content D2 has been nothing.

Like why in general townread mastina?

[Elbirn]

I'm having trouble quantifying a lot of exactly what I'm townreading there and why it is town specifically for mastina, cross-referencing against that one game I've played against her scumgame where I thought she was town because she claimed a very pro-town role that was very leashable to the point where claiming it as scum would be very poor play

But I'm pretty sure she's town

I guess a lot of it is how much adds up with regards to when and why she does the catchup, and what it achieves for her more than anything else. Admittedly, there may well be some of my desire for mastina to be town here slipping in. I realise I may have just typed out a whole lot of nothing, but whatever

Yeah I don't see how mastina making a particular scumplay in a different game has anything to do with her alignment or your thought process here at all.

If your answer to the question "why do you townread Mastina" is "I just do" then I would super duper appreciate you taking the time to flesh out this particular read.

I think it's also kinda weird that Espresso Patronum [sic] didn't vote TL after my case or engage with said case in any way

Is this not true of most of the player list?

[Elbirn]

It would be except he posted around it somewhat

Hey eth0s, can you link the games you've played with TL?

Ah. Fair.

[Elbirn]

Sorry I realize this wasn't why you shared those links

But I think its funny that you brought up Mastina's meta breakdown in that game when, upon reading it, I found that you were scum and mastina was trying to use your meta to support her belief that you were town even though you were guiltied scum

[Elbirn]

Just reading the scum thread in that game would probably do it tbh

UNVOTE:
I skimmed the vengeful ghosts game + looked at the activity overview in the games mastina linked. You're not playing the same here as in vengeful ghosts + it looks like your activity is AI.

On activity -- you're among the top 3 posters in almost all your town games, but you're roughly in the middle/bottom third on your scum games. Your activity this game suggests you're town.

Sorry I realize this wasn't why you shared those links

But I think its funny that you brought up Mastina's meta breakdown in that game when, upon reading it, I found that you were scum and mastina was trying to use your meta to support her belief that you were town even though you were guiltied scum

[Elbirn]

Oh God the youngins are making up new buzzwords

Make it stop

[Elbirn]

Do you think his meta points to town!jjh or scum!jjh here?

I guess my sarcastic quoting wasn't clear

I think meta is diarreah donkey doo doo and if you use it you're a stupidhead

See also: Town-Mastina insisting Scum-JJH was town based on meta

[Elbirn]

Its maybe worth it if you've actually played a game with the player and can identify quirks and behavioral differences

But they're immediately invalidated when you out them because then that player knows their own tells and can now modify their behavior accordingly

See also: JJH listing his town/scum games and therefore demonstrating awareness of his meta

Also: "he's posting more" is not a meta analysis worth making


Just judge people based on what they're doing in game

[Elbirn]

Hey JJ seeing as how fuckall is happening now uhhh why do you townread mastina please and thank you

[Elbirn]

If you'll look at my so-called Tinfoil post and what follows it I find the full reasonable team of Jjh-elbirn-mast.

It seems significantly more likely at this point that my new theory is correct but you asked for all my possible worlds.

You
Are
~☆ADORABLE☆~

Help me bus both of my buddies then since that's what I'm pushing for apparently

[Elbirn]

Am I right in thinking that the lynchpool for most people today is something like (EP, elbirn, TL, ele)?

Could we try to narrow that down to 2 candidates so that we have a choice but it’s clearer what everyone’s defined stances are

At this point I’d like to lynch in (EP, TL)

My list for preference would go

1) EP
2) TL
3) ele
4) elbirn

My brain never comprehended what made EP a scumread

TL is obvious mislynch bait

Help me and TD bus my buddies

Compromise on ele as dark horse 4th scum but that's my best offer

Did your JJH read evolve at all over the course of all of this banter the past few days help me out here

[Elbirn]

Side note I have not been able to load this website until like just now, idk if there are server issues or not but I am frustrated

[Elbirn]

elbirn why do you scumread mastina?

Oh because shes a bullshitter

[Elbirn]

Maybe I'll just sheep TD

This seems like a good plan that cannot and will not go wrong

Cool help me bus my buddies

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Mastina

Gladiate: Mastina

[Elbirn]

HEY and there they are

Its fake, but I'm glad I got someones fucking attention. I'm bored play the game

Pretend the gladiator was real. Can you give me but a single reason not to vote mastina?

[Elbirn]

because voting mastina is gamethrowing at this point

the better question is: can someone who isn't Elbirn tell my why mastina is a potentially viable vote?

Ugh another electability argument this is why the Democrats never win

[Elbirn]

Theres a bit under 6 days left in this phase

Push your scumreads you coward

[Elbirn]

Okay great now take that energy and put a fucking gun in my mouth

Make content happen so this malaise can stop

[Elbirn]

Why do you scumread me

Make me answer for my crimes against humanity

[Elbirn]

Better yet, I can stop being a self absorbed punk and ask the real question I've been dying to have answered and no one will tell me

Why do you townread mastina? On what grounds my dude?

[Elbirn]

I lied I want to repeat this experiment with someone who isn't stupid

[Elbirn]

Mastina is likely to be town to me because she thought the same way I did about the Jjh wagon. The only reality in which mastina=scum is the reality in which jjh also=scum which seems less and less likely.

One of Elbirn-TL-EP should die today.

If you'll look at my so-called Tinfoil post and what follows it I find the full reasonable team of Jjh-elbirn-mast.

It seems significantly more likely at this point that my new theory is correct but you asked for all my possible worlds.

Am I the only person who got a green role PM

Or are you all actually fucking stupid

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Elements

Everyones talking about it but nobody's doing it, vote elements and make this day end I'm fucking done

[Elbirn]

Kinda giving me jeebies how elbirn got on it tho

*fart noise*

[Elbirn]

Ok, I give up. If TL is town then I am just going to quit this game. No one is allowed to have this many scummy posts AND VCA pointing at them and not die.

VOTE: TL

How does VCA point towards him when no one has flipped scum?


Also ftr fake claiming gladiator is a thing I do in nearly every game, it is to me as fake claiming masons is to mastina

[Elbirn]

I still think TL is just stupid town

[Elbirn]

Yo elbirn can you talk me through your progression on mastina?

I can do this soon(tm) but not now

The tldr though as I've said before is that she's a bullshitter

Her content feels very hollow to me, she's coasting, previous attempts to poke her for content were basically met with "my reads are the consensus reads and that gives me CLOUT and also means I don't have to do anything", whenever she does post it feels like nothing

I still think TL is just stupid town

Why do you think this as opposed to him being scum trying to get you mislynched?

Because scum would be smarter than this
Or at least I hope
Maybe calculated is a better word, I'm not trying to be a dick to people

TL is easily goaded by me into making the weakest of weaksauce cases on me. Why doesn't scum just not take the bait instead of making subpar content that won't convince anyone

And with TL being a basically universally agreed upon scumread, where are his teammates? Who is defending him? Is TL scum just abandoned by his entire team?

Nah son TL is mislynch bait. He seems driven by an earnest newb-town ideology of "lol lying is always bad" and "if you're not try-harding you're scum" and he's reee'ing at me over it and it's annoying but I see the newb-town motivation and motivation is how we find the scum, frend

[Elbirn]

Mastina is likely to be town to me because she thought the same way I did about the Jjh wagon. The only reality in which mastina=scum is the reality in which jjh also=scum which seems less and less likely.

One of Elbirn-TL-EP should die today.

If you'll look at my so-called Tinfoil post and what follows it I find the full reasonable team of Jjh-elbirn-mast.

It seems significantly more likely at this point that my new theory is correct but you asked for all my possible worlds.

Am I the only person who got a green role PM

Or are you all actually fucking stupid

[Elbirn]

Like let's be clear here

1. You say the team is JJ/Mastina/Yours Truly
2. Mastina thinks the JJ wagon is bad so...you change your read into mastina and JJ being town, unless they're scum *together*, which should be where your mind is at considering point 1, but it simply isn't
3. TL is scum for voting JJ, and the VCA is that two scum are on that wagon even though no one has flipped.

Fucking what

[Elbirn]

Elbirn ran with it most notably.

Remembering that Mastina suggested it is reason to give me pause FWIW

But do you think that nearly 2 weeks into a game a scumteam DOESN'T go "uh hey mod we're missing a team mate"? It's cheap getting a conftown out of it but it makes sense

[Elbirn]

3. I don't know what your problem with this is. Only using VCA with flips is silly, broaden your mind .

4. You have cemented yourself further in my mind as a TL-Buddy for when he flips red, thank you <3.

I'm not gonna bother with the other points here I decided I don't care

But

3. The point is that you quite literally can't do VCA analysis without flips. It's the same reason pre-flip associations don't work. You don't know the alignments. You can't say "two scum are on this wagon so the wagonee is town" when you don't know *anyone's* alignment, and I don't understand why I have to explain this to you when your join date is 2011. If you want to make the inference that oh I don't like these people who hopped on so I don't feel good about the wagon sure whatever but that says nothing about the alignment of the wagonee.

4. You can't threaten me I'm town

[Elbirn]

For one, it was only 8 days after the game started that the replace happened. For two, momo hadnt posted at all in the 4 days of Day 1. I'm chalking it up to mod error/neglect that he wasn't replaced earlier. And as such I don't think it matters what his alignment is. Gamma posted one VC the entire Day 1 and it was the day the game started.

You know






I don't enjoy that you are correct. It means I am wrong and that is a bad feeling.

[Elbirn]

for all I know elbirn is scum

him saying "I'm town" just proves that elbirn thinks he's town

I didn't say that part for your benefit
I am *defiant* because I alone know my cause is *righteous*

[Elbirn]

I sent in: a singular porcupine spine, magic 8-ball, a catamaran.
I got aback the magic 8-ball.
I'm an Inaccurate Bloodhound. 25% of the time my ability straight up doesn't work.
Last night I checked jjd and rolled a nat 1

It sure looks like English but I don't understand it

[Elbirn]

I will say that he claimed those same three items in our PT, we shared what items we submitted and what we ultimately received as our flavor

[Elbirn]

Do you think that has a bearing on his alignment?

Not at all but uhh dude idk I'm trying
He's not lying is all

[Elbirn]

I sent in: a singular porcupine spine, magic 8-ball, a catamaran.
I got aback the magic 8-ball.
I'm an Inaccurate Bloodhound. 25% of the time my ability straight up doesn't work.
Last night I checked jjd and rolled a nat 1

as a bloodhound I can investigate a player and get a result of "town" or "not town". Modifiers such as millar or godfather don't effect the result. Investigative immunes do.
the inaccurate part means my ability has a 25% chance of failing. Which is what happened last night.

Why did you pick JJH?

[Elbirn]

On post #953 Elements said he liked jjh for his tunnels which looked like he was town reading jjh on day 1. Elements said his action failed and why did he invest jjh on Night 1? If you were town reading someone, then wouldn't you want to invest one of the players you are not town reading?

Yaaaasss Queen

[Elbirn]

Unless it's a hard thing, my setup spec is better than yours

I believe the two options here are that he's lying and he's scum or that he's telling the truth and he's town

That isn't going to be a scum role in this setup

Wow such setupspec very intelligent

"Hes either scum or town"

Truly remarkable

[Elbirn]

Why would this role *ever* be called "bloodhound" and not "Cop"

[Elbirn]

Who was scumreading Jjh at end of D1?

Korina and uhh I think that's it maybe

[Elbirn]

My lynch pool remains elements/mastina/jjh

EP isn't an attractive option to me because 1. I still never got the scumread there and 2. The slot is empty and it feels garbage to push it

TL still isn't scum and I will cross my arms and stick my nose in the air if you people push that one through

Like gosh just sheep me already all of you
Heck

[Elbirn]

We should still lynch ele

We sure should, but everyone's gonna pussyfoot around the claimed PR in a game where everyone has a role so here we are, trapped in the amber of this moment, Mr. Pilgrim.

Like, okay, I get it. The claim is an unreliable magic 8 ball. Reply hazy ask again later hahahaha. Flavor isn't alignment scum role cops exist let's move it along blood for the blood God

[Elbirn]

Is that a vonnegut quote?

I am in fact a manic pixie dream boy so yes

This may be the towniest you’ve been all game elbirn

Or you’re scum egging me on to lead a mislynch

I've always been this town but nobody understands me anymore

I'm not moving my vote anywhere barring an act of God so if we're wrong we can be wrong 2gether4ever

[Elbirn]

I've played a fair bit of greater idea discord calls mafia. That's why I thought people would know.

Like maybe I'm being awful or whatever but I took this as elements tripping up and admitting he fake claimed. He thought his claim would work because he thought people would know what a bloodhound was is how I'm reading it

[Elbirn]

Ele if you're town now is the time to give final reads/thoughts for your team, not pulling some woe is me self hammer gimmick

[Elbirn]

Also elbirn so what do you say?

About what?

[Elbirn]

I feel p good about 1 of (ele, EP, TL) (ele, mastina, jjh) (elbirn, ele, TL) containing 2 of the 3 scum tbh

I just also think that the combination that’s least likely is (ele, mastina, jjh)

Mena what do you think about jjh and tl if ele flips red

I straight up think it’s jjh and mastina if it flips red

Specifically the jjh/ele interaction to me feels like it could be scum!jjh trying to "I'm better at setup spec than you" his way into saving his buddy with potential ass-coverage with the "this role cant be scum" thing. Like jjh I have been able to coexist with for long enough but now that he is derailing a wagon on obvscum I'm starting to second guess my TR.

God dat mindmeld

And I think that scum!jjh strongly implies scumastina from the way she interacts with him

If green then jjh looks a lot better and it’s prob suji, TL and maybe adorable?

Stop telling me I'm wrong and then say the things I think you thot

[Elbirn]

I'll vote Elements if I have to, but I would prefer to hear from someone who didn't want me to be lynched before I do that.

Hi I never wanted your slot lynched

Elements is scum

[Elbirn]

Stop making posts like 1286 that make me TR u then

Also reply to my marriage proposal u hussy

Srry mena I don't like boiz

[Elbirn]

I'm awake now but uh nothing to say uhhhhh BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD

[Elbirn]

It’s literally ele, jjh, mastina

There you go, game solved everyone

Mena stop taking credit for my solve I worked hard for this

[Elbirn]

I am claiming a softclear on jjh

We should not be hammering him this early, and probably not at all

Elaborate

[Elbirn]

It’s literally ele, jjh, mastina

There you go, game solved everyone

Mena stop taking credit for my solve I worked hard for this

I’m p sure I got to ele and jjh scum theory before anyone else

Bro I've been calling those three all day 2 and when I said so you told me I was wrong

I am egomaniacal enough to fight about this you dork

[Elbirn]

Jjh you've ignored me asking why mastina was a townread all game and now shes a scumread of yours

Thefuck

I'll help you bus your buddy if you want but I'm not happy

VOTE: Mastina

[Elbirn]

Elbirn I think mastina is a bad shout for today while chem is softlcearing jjh and there’s good odds of scum in suji/TL

Mmmmmmmmm nope sorry

But for the sake of being productive what do you think about chemist

[Elbirn]

Elbirn I think mastina is a bad shout for today while chem is softlcearing jjh and there’s good odds of scum in suji/TL

Mmmmmmmmm nope sorry

But for the sake of being productive what do you think about chemist

I don’t think they’re buddies bc I don’t think that scum!chem claims a soft clear here

I guess chem could maybe be scum but I don’t really have any reason to think so? Like idk why he claims the soft clear on jjh as scum, idk why he doesn’t just let us lynch him

Also just seems towny in my experience of chemsit

You know I didn't even mean to suggest thinking of them as buddies, just...chemist in a vacuum. Soft clearing JJ is a weird play as scum regardless of jj's alignment I'll agree. I think that if we're presuming 3p/traitor then scum needs a rolecop, hell they need one regardless in a role madness.

Chemist was also off the elements wagon in a scenario where scum could have feasibly stalled the lynch out, which I think they tried to do by counterwagoning on EP's slot, whiiich is why I really dont wanna lynch that slot or TL's. Like, the options yesterday were elements, ep, tl.

Pedit: shut the fuck up all of you I cant get a word in edgewise theres like a whole page now

[Elbirn]

I'll assume by sheer lack of interest no one cares about retroactive sending of the special daystart PMs for Days 2 and 3. I'll ensure it happens for future Days, however.

I mean I'm cool with whatever you do m8, if you had a thing planned go for it

presuming 3p/traitor then scum needs a rolecop, hell they need one regardless in a role madness.

elements was a bloodhound

....k maybe I'm an idiot. I'm not sure why a scum team would have a rolecop and a bloodhound.

I still am unsure about chemist and none of this rules out the possibility of a good old fashioned lie

But even that doesn't work with corroborating a buddies day 4 role if that's a lie because then they both...die

Okay chemist and jj are never both scum and chemist probably town good talk

[Elbirn]

I don't understand any of the mastina water stuff and don't care to, someone else figure it out and dumb it down for me later

I don't think I'm getting much out of these conversations and I'd rather find scum based on what elements did this game and how end of day 2 turned out, wish me luck

[Elbirn]

This is why I said people are ignoring me.

Say something worth engaging with

You're just sitting there bemoaning being ignored but you haven't said anything worth responding to

[Elbirn]

Being confused is the same thing as laziness

I am vanquished forever

[Elbirn]

Oh hi mena

I still haven't gleaned anything particularly useful but I continue to believe that suji/TL are bad lynches

Scum (JJH/Mastina) tried to build counterwagons on TL and EP yesterday to save bff elements. They're not scum.

Mastina is grasping at straws and JJ was trying to come up with a reason to scumread me because they have to. They have to insist on the PoV that scum bussed because they're fucked otherwise

[Elbirn]

Tldr lol I don't care

Longer version: TL/EP were the scumteams only viable mislynches yesterday and when push came to shove jjh was going to bat for elements and trying to wrangle up the EP lynch, where you were conveniently parked all day and then did the same shit as day 1 where you showed up after lynch to shitpost and try to take some credit for it (man I so scumread elements ha ha)

Pedit: @mastina

[Elbirn]

Oh hi mena

I still haven't gleaned anything particularly useful but I continue to believe that suji/TL are bad lynches

Scum (JJH/Mastina) tried to build counterwagons on TL and EP yesterday to save bff elements. They're not scum.

Mastina is grasping at straws and JJ was trying to come up with a reason to scumread me because they have to. They have to insist on the PoV that scum bussed because they're fucked otherwise

Explain chem then

Innocent bystander

[Elbirn]

Oh hi mena

I still haven't gleaned anything particularly useful but I continue to believe that suji/TL are bad lynches

Scum (JJH/Mastina) tried to build counterwagons on TL and EP yesterday to save bff elements. They're not scum.

Mastina is grasping at straws and JJ was trying to come up with a reason to scumread me because they have to. They have to insist on the PoV that scum bussed because they're fucked otherwise

Explain chem then

Innocent bystander

ACTUALLY

I'm not sure what you mean here after all, because chemist was not voting iirc

[Elbirn]

Well then in that case the actual answer is I'm just an asshole

[Elbirn]

Suji is mastina going to die tonight or no?

[Elbirn]

Actually wait, the only reason jjh is "softcleared", which isn't even a thing because you're either cleared or you're not, is because of his modifier that only gives him 1 HP instead of 2?

There isnt some big thing about it that chemist didnt reveal, that's it? Because that's nothing

[Elbirn]

I don't understand who would motivate TL and I'm done sticking up for him because this is all nonsense

[Elbirn]

if you want to not flip a town inventor today I suggest we vote Elbirn because Elbirn is just scummy

VOTE: Elbirn

Why

[Elbirn]

if you want to not flip a town inventor today I suggest we vote Elbirn because Elbirn is just scummy

VOTE: Elbirn

Why

I've ISOed you and my feelings are best summed up in this question:

Elbirn, name one towny thing you've done this game

Rolled Town, how about you?

[Elbirn]

Oh wow QED I must be scum then ya got me

[Elbirn]

Muon or not, the onus is on you to back up your accusation, not on me

And I'm not here to peacock about how town I am, I'm here to kill bad guys

[Elbirn]

TL if you're town you're objectively very bad at this game. I've literally only not been wanting you dead because of my steadfast belief that you are simply very bad at this game and therefore do not deserve to get dunked on.

I'm fine with a hammer on TL whenever

[Elbirn]

therefore if he hammers me he is what I'd call

scum even if he's town

This isnt a thing unless you're calling me an irl scumbag in which case fuck you too I guess

[Elbirn]

Good, glad we got past that. I have no idea what you intend to convey then, because players are all either town or mafia, but sure.

I guess I never voiced my intent either but I'm ready to do this and don't really care if mastina shows up or not. Anyone wants to say their peace go for it

[Elbirn]

VOTE: TL

Should be L-1 again

[Elbirn]

that's such a way to avoid being called a double openwolf by securing the L-1 vote instead of the hammer...

chemist/elbirn might be the scumteam this game

Oh go fuck yourself dude seriously

[Elbirn]

Like christ on a bike you're not a threat you're just annoying. If I hammered you you would have whined about that too but I wanted to be diplomatic and wait for people to contribute to the day

[Elbirn]

JJ you are a cowardly scumbutt and history will remember you as such

[Elbirn]

no u

But do you

actually

think so

Like where do you have a real scumread on me and why?

[Elbirn]

If you hammer before mastina posts then

there is no god on this green earth that is gonna stop you eating rope tomorrow suji

What are you talking about? I'm right here.

There is still time for discussion and that discussion is not concluded

There is no good reason to end day already when someone who is a strong townplayer hasn’t weighed in and then weighing in may open up new lines of enquiry

Mastina has contributed literally nothing to this game and popped in to prod dodge and then dip. She hasn't done anything. She will continue not to do anything. Shes probably scum, and if she isn't shes proven she gives zero fucks about this game. She had her chance, I am not at all inclined to wait on her for anything

[Elbirn]

"But we have 5 more days!!"

Great! Nothing substantial is going to happen in that time when we've settled on our lynch, day 4 asap please.

[Elbirn]

Mastina is scum and stalling, fuck off friend

[Elbirn]

Too tired for content tonight, will contribute tomorrow.

I can't wait for 5 more days of this mena, how about you?

Oh man I am so PSYCHED for the content mastina provides...AFTER TL gets lynched at deadline

If this is mastina town game shes actually fucking garbage at this and I'm not waiting for it

[Elbirn]

Lol I’m actually thinking that TL was the designated mislynch and it’s just (suji, elbirn) now

Chem/jjh/Eth0s/mastina hmu when you see this

If TL was the designated mislynch and suji and I were the team, he would have hammered. Use your noodle dude

[Elbirn]

Oh, daily reminder that nobody with a town role PM ever motivates TL

[Elbirn]

Mastina has provided content and I don’t think it was bad, even if it wasn’t great

Idk why you’re so keen for her not to have the chance been to provide more

Because shes scum, but now we're talking in circles cuz you'll go back to your post @ suji "why dont you respect other opinions" or whatever

Like

I wanted to lynch mastina but supposedly shes just gonna die tonight so I'm not allowed to bother

I wanted to lynch jjh but theres a mysterious sortofclear on him even though we've already learned from this game that role is not alignment, so I'm not allowed to bother

My only option for today is to vote for the consensus lynch who was motivated by ????? And is therefore almost certainly scum unless someone wants to claim an out of the blue town read on TL....but now I have to sit on my hands like a goodboi because "wait we need to hear from the scum who hasn't spoken all game"

I'm a bit peeved honestly

[Elbirn]

Elbirn what’s your solve? Jjh + masti?

It has been since like day 2

I'm still stuck re:TL because again, who motivates TL

Either 1. A scumbuddy, or 2. He's lying about it. But that means chemist is complicit in this lie.

So...either my solve is wrong or theres too many scum

[Elbirn]

Elbirn jumping on TL when he did instead of hammering like he has been advocating for this whole time seems really odd. I agree that some of his and TL's posts could be potential distancing if a scumteam.

Great good job

I'm scum for not hammering because everyone wanted mastina to post

I'm scum for not wanting to wait anymore

Christ whatever I do you people pull this shit, I guess I'll just go fuck myself

[Elbirn]

Thinking I'm scum in this game actually requires thinking im a fucking mouth breathing idiot and I'm not having it

[Elbirn]

Yeah sure I'm a whiny toxic asshole I get it

My vote is in the right place
Nobody motivates TL except for a scumbuddy, lynch TL

[Elbirn]

I am claiming a softclear on jjh

We should not be hammering him this early, and probably not at all

Elaborate

I rolecopped jjh last night

I know his role is accurate to what he's claiming, and would likely be negative utility for scum

I will go into no further detail

Considering Elements was a scum bloodhound my likelyhood of trusting that claim is like .1%

actually mindmeld with TL here. I already addressed my thoughts on this situation but it is worth noting that TL pointing it out first gives him some sort of towncred (to me at least)

Why does TL not believe the claim when *he gave chemist the rolecop shot*

[Elbirn]

I’m p sure TL means that he wouldn’t trust whatever the role is to actually be AI

Wasn't how I took it but I see it now, I'll sit down.

[Elbirn]

When we're lynching the person I want to lynch, I have no reason to give more than what I have.

Didn't you "want to lynch" Elements? We lynched Elements by the way. You didn't really contribute to that.

Yes?

Read what I said again.

When we're lynching the person I want to lynch.
I have no reason to give more than what I have.
We lynched Elements. Someone I wanted to lynch. So why did I need to contribute to it? It was a lynch I wanted.

You adamantly do not get to sit on the sidelines and try to claim credit when a scum-lynch goes through, nor do you get to act so self-righteous about it. Actualllllyyy fuck right off with all of that

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:

LET'S PLAY A GAME

consider TL/Mastina/JJH to all only require 4 votes to lynch, as I am quick hammering whichever one of them hits L-1 first. I will never vote anyone outside of those three today. Good luck have fun

[Elbirn]

are you actually expecting me to give out everything I did?

I'm a Gachapon Capsule.

I'm a Town Inventor (Rolecop, Doctor, Roleblocker)

I targeted Chemist with all of the inventions (I got motivated)

They know at the end of the night, and may use the inventions at any time.

also I wish I could openwolf that badly to say I'm disloyal and use that to get chemist powerlynched since chemist is actually guiltied scum... but I'm just a town inventor and town has no use in fakeclaiming disloyal.

What night did these things happen

Rolecop was given out N1, the rest N2

are all the inventions 1 use?

Yes

pedit: yes

Hold on I'm thinking

What sense would it make for scum to have both a bloodhound and an inventor who gives out a rolecop shot?

[Elbirn]

Looking at the next stuff on the case those, I think 1102 might actually be one of the towniest posts Elbirn has made

All I did was ask you why you townread mastina

You never answered and I REEE'd

[Elbirn]

yeah suji you might just be scum

It's best if you just be quiet.

VOTE: Sujimichi

TL if you're town I want you to know that this is not the way to play mafia

[Elbirn]

Which I think it actually was, it's just it comes down to Mastina needing to fake being involved with the game to herself until she actually gets involved with the game.

I mean. I told you explicitly on D1. "I am having trouble getting into the game". So. Explicitly so yes.

That does not mean that Elbirn's push in any way comes from town tho. I am a lazy push--an effortless push. Which, given his accusations against me. Is highly hypocritical of him.

You're dying tonight I don't need your sass

[Elbirn]

The inventor is clearly not supposed to increase scum power or he wouldn't have given all his abilities to Chemist

I honestly want to comment on this one but it's gonna start a whole stupid argument that I don't want to get into so how about someone else tells me what's wrong with this post

I tried to analyze this before but my brain broke and I stopped caring

Tldr theres some weird circular logic here where JJ is assuming the intent of the setup design is such that a hypothetical scum inventor is supposed to power up town based on what TL chose to do with the role, but that doesnt logically follow and assumes the alignments of two players as a reason for one of those two being scum

If that made any sense which it didnt

If I were a bad person I'd also throw out some pedantic shit about how "oh he KNOWS chemist is town based on that post" but I'm not so I won't. But I feel like that might be the point you wanted made so there

[Elbirn]

Uhmm uhhhh fuck

VOTE: JJH

[Elbirn]

You just voted the least likely of your 3 options to be lynched today

I sure did!

[Elbirn]

Except it looked to me like you were trying to act like this was panic induced by the looming deadline, which it can't be

Ah yes I forgot that you live in my head and therefore perfectly know what I must be thinking about this game state with only a bit more than 24 hours left in the day and no consensus

[Elbirn]

I was mainly looking for someone to be a bad person and point out the pedantic shit though. I wonder if your phrasing in that regard has anything to do with the fact that both you and jjh have seemed to TMI on a town!chemist this game?...

Oh no it has everything to do with slips not being real

I hate that I can't play this game as town and say "oh so and so is town" without some internet boy genius going "heh *smirks, pushes up glasses* I think you meant to say you THINK so and so is town"

If I'm catching scum I'm not doing it by analyzing word choice

[Elbirn]

I see your point in regards to jjh but as far as you're concerned you both implied that korina was going to flip green and straight up accepted chemist as conftown eod 1.

Yeah when korina self hammered and then continued to whine it was very evident that he was town.

And chemist I really did not think a whole lot about at the time, I really thought that Mastina's reasoning was sound and I wanted SOMETHING good to have come out of day 1.

I'm still checking the progressions etc but stuff like going from elbirn being locktown based on the SoaS kill N1 to elbirn being scum today is pinging me

Thnx 4 ur understanding

jjh wanted to pocket me and then dropped his townread on me when it became apparent that contrary to my day 1 ass-kissing I did not trust him. Then he made up some stupid nonsense to justify scumreading me. Which you can see happening in tandem with Mastina's scumread of me.

[Elbirn]

do u wanna vote for jjh then elbirn?

I already am bay-bee

[Elbirn]

o i thought you were still waiting to hammer, whoopsie

No that was dumb and a meme I just want my vote in play

[Elbirn]

UNVOTE:
VOTE: TL

Dab on em

[Elbirn]

elbirn you realize that's a hammer right

once you see me bleed green, time will eventually exile you

If you're green I was wrong but removed a tremendous distraction and essentially vanilla town from the game

If you're red I'm a legend

[Elbirn]

what if I flip blue

I......don't know what that is ya sure showed me

[Elbirn]

Mastina the day is over and I'm legitimately not playing with you ever again with the way you just openly troll the entire game

[Elbirn]

Mastina the day is over and I'm legitimately not playing with you ever again with the way you just openly troll the entire game

It must really frustrate you that in spite of my disengagement this game, that you haven't been able to kill either me or jjh (who I've been protecting the whole game) and that I still get lynches that I like.

It frustrates me that you're either 1. A smug little Scumshit rn, or 2. Town who doesn't give enough of a fuck to do anything but show up post lynch to troll up some fake content, vote off the wagon but go "I wanted that lynch anyway ha ha", and boast about how good you are at mafia. I feel like I'm playing mafia with fucking gilderoy lockhart and somehow everyone has given you a pass

But hey that's a cool fake doc crumb you got there, be a real shame if someone called you out on your shit

[Elbirn]

Fucking great shot whoever killed Eth0s

Thank you. I’m just glad I changed my mind on mastina.

EspressoPatronum gets credit for the eth0s kill as well since it took two shots.

What made you go for ethos though? Was it just the fact that EP had already primed that one and you wanted to get a kill off or did you logic it out? Good game save regardless cuz I wouldn't have ever thought ethos was scum I don't think

[Elbirn]

Who the fuck was the motivator

I demand answers


I for one was a sort of self-reflexive role blocker. Anyone targeting me would have been blocked and had one point of damage done to them, I was a cuppa coffee so targeting me = you spilled coffee on yourself

[Elbirn]

Ethos did have a sort of last ditch push on JJ instead of TL that I should have thought about, you're right

But then again JJ did the same thing with EP when Elements was going down

Mafia is made up fairy dust and nothing matters

[Elbirn]

Did anyone who scumread me at any point in this game actually meta me at all?

I scum read Elements correctly. It was pretty obvious I was the Motivator and I was starting to suspect Menalque and Elbirn. Menalque asking me who did I think motivated TL looked like he was fishing for the Motivator which made me wary and Elbirn asking who would want to motivate TL I thought he was also scum who wanted to throw shade on the Motivator.

No I honestly thought no town player could have motivated TL because no one in this game townread him. I'm curious why you chose TL as your motivate target?