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Post Post #22 (isolation #0) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:20 am

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VOTE: Mena

You're scum this game, I can feel it.
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Post Post #23 (isolation #1) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:21 am

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In post 11, mastina wrote:Hi I am a mason with…
…Hmm, who do I claim…
First name I see is…


…Hi, I am a mason with Adorable. :)
VOTE: Elements
Why are you claiming mason this early?
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Post Post #25 (isolation #2) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:24 am

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Actually, I didn't submit a role that would give me cult. I submitted gay pride flag, and apparently I made GE regret my role so much that I regret submitting it.
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Post Post #28 (isolation #3) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:30 am

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I mean, I got exactly what I was thinking I'd get by submitting it, so... if I can predict it ahead of time, then odds are others can too.
Plus, I actually regret submitting it because my role genuinely sucks, but dying is somehow even worse.
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Post Post #30 (isolation #4) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:31 am

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I mean, if you can figure out what my ability is based on that, you know exactly why killing me is a very bad idea.
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Post Post #33 (isolation #5) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 10:36 am

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It's not that. Venge roleblocker would be actually a cool role to play though.
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Post Post #39 (isolation #6) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:08 am

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JJH, read my other posts that I've made pertaining to my role and you'll understand what I'm softing and why I shouldn't be killed.
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Post Post #67 (isolation #7) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:55 pm

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In post 46, Menalque wrote:Cool, I think ele has decent scum equity and that there’s a scum in (huh, korina, temporal lich)

Korina, have you played with mastina before/recently?

VOTE: elements
No. Also, I'm pretty sure that Mena is town here. I'm getting similar vibes from the newbie we both played in, however, sadly I'm not scum this time.
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Post Post #68 (isolation #8) » Sun Sep 15, 2019 1:55 pm

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Although, I'm kinda interested to hear what you have to say if I say you're scum Mena.
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Post Post #94 (isolation #9) » Mon Sep 16, 2019 7:58 am

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Mena, you never replied to my question.
If I say you're scum, what are your thoughts about that?
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Post Post #118 (isolation #10) » Mon Sep 16, 2019 11:41 am

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I'm just confused how TD is scum here.
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Post Post #139 (isolation #11) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:05 am

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All my openings feel awkward. Move along please.
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Post Post #140 (isolation #12) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:06 am

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Honestly, you should remember that from forest fire blitz.
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Post Post #141 (isolation #13) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:08 am

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Also, Mena's town this game. His playstyle is similar to newbie 1949, where he was town, and I was scum. The only thing we're missing to genuinely prove that is me rolling scum and me making a case against him.
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Post Post #143 (isolation #14) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:24 am

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Oh yea, that game was the first game I played on site. I've changed my playstyle as both town and scum since then, and I can tell you've done the same. Hopefully we're both on the same side this time.
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Post Post #144 (isolation #15) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:31 am

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Also, I'm like 99% sure that we're all PRs because of the sample town pm.
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Post Post #146 (isolation #16) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:55 am

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Actually, compared to my ffb meta, I can't be scum here. I was so fence-sitty and just awkward in that game.
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Post Post #148 (isolation #17) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:26 am

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Ok, also, if you're wanting to look at my meta, look at newbie 1949. That's my most recent scum game.
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Post Post #150 (isolation #18) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:30 am

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I am aware of my meta, but you'd get more value out of looking at how I play today versus how I played over a year ago, and have drastically changed since.
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Post Post #152 (isolation #19) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:32 am

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If you are seriously trying to meta-read me based on an outdated, year-old scumgame
and genuinely scumreading me because of it
, you need to re-evaluate your entire playstyle, because that's so fucking stupid.
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Post Post #154 (isolation #20) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:34 am

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But why? That's what I'm trying to figure out.
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Post Post #155 (isolation #21) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:35 am

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What I'm getting from you is that you're genuinely thinking that how I played in FFB is somehow still accurate to today, and you're using that train of thought to justify your vote/scumread.
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Post Post #158 (isolation #22) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:42 am

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The only remotely accurate thing from FFB about my scum-meta is that I unintentionally ignore my partners. However, I am aware of that, and scum!me will actively try to reply to my partner's posts just to prevent people from saying that. With that in mind, FFB is unreliable to scumread me since I have changed so much since then.
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Post Post #159 (isolation #23) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:42 am

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When the fuck did I try to sort people via meta?
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Post Post #160 (isolation #24) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:42 am

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I'm calling Mena town because I know how he played, since we played in a game together, (Newbie 1949), and his play is pretty damn similar in this game.
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Post Post #162 (isolation #25) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:43 am

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I also have information that Mastina's claim might have some truth behind it, therefore I'm asking why.
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Post Post #167 (isolation #26) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:45 am

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That is literally one person. Nobody else. Please actually try to do some solving.
@Espresso, my role is really tame, sadly.

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Post Post #168 (isolation #27) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:47 am

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Eth0s, I fucking read Mena’s meta to try to make a case against him in newbie 1949, I know how he plays
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Post Post #172 (isolation #28) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:49 am

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The only people I’m really fine meta arguing are people I’ve played with recently. Newbie 1949 is recent enough for me to remember what his meta was like when i read ir
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Post Post #173 (isolation #29) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:50 am

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In post 168, Korina wrote:Espresso, I fucking read Mena’s meta to try to make a case against him in newbie 1949, I know how he plays
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Post Post #175 (isolation #30) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:52 am

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Also, no. I’m not admiting that. You’ve tried to push that I’m scummy based on an outdated scumgame. That’s not productive whatsoever.
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Post Post #177 (isolation #31) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:56 am

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I could do the exact same for you. There are exactly zero posts in your ISO that are really productive.
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Post Post #178 (isolation #32) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:57 am

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Also, you literally fucking said that you felt more confident in your vote on me after re-reading FFB. Make up your mind about if FFB is actually part of your read or not.
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Post Post #179 (isolation #33) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:58 am

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In post 145, eth0s wrote:Well if we were to speculate both of our roles in this game vs our metas from Forest Fire Blitz, then we're both scum here lol. But yeah my meta has changed a lot. And I'm generally not as pissed off as I was in that game.
In post 153, eth0s wrote:Nah, I voted you for this game. Rereading FFB just made me feel more confident in my vote.
In post 147, eth0s wrote:Eh, I disagree. I don't want to talk about that game in-depth but rereading it actually makes me enjoy my vote on you more here.
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Post Post #181 (isolation #34) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:00 am

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You're literally scum, and you keep contradicting yourself. But ok, go off.
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Post Post #183 (isolation #35) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:05 am

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Please, explain them then. Spell it out for me. Because I'm not seeing it.
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Post Post #185 (isolation #36) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:10 am

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You clearly missed 162, and there's a reason why I flavorclaimed. My role is potentially negative utility, depending on how the game goes, therefore I wanna get that out asap.
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Post Post #192 (isolation #37) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:45 am

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I'm a town flagbearer, on top of another ability. I have no idea when my flagbearing ability activates, nor how many people will die when it actives, but I do know it doesn't kill every single townie, nor can it active on D1. I'm also assuming since the game was reviewed for balance that my ability is at least somewhat fair.
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Post Post #196 (isolation #38) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:49 am

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I'm claiming I'm a town-aligned flagbearer. I don't know basically anything about my flagbearing ability, but I do know that it's at least somewhat fair. I have no idea the specifics of it however.
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Post Post #201 (isolation #39) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:54 am

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Yea, what Elements said. I know I'm not a true flagbearer and my ability is modified though.
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Post Post #205 (isolation #40) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:55 am

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I don't know how it was modified however.

Pedit: PM is intentionally vague.
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Post Post #207 (isolation #41) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:56 am

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I'm also full-claiming now to save time down the road:
I'm a Flagbearing Indecisive Conditional Self-Excluding Neighborhood Crafter.

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Post Post #208 (isolation #42) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:57 am

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Here's also everyone's pairings: Espresso and Tiphaine; Mena and eth0s; Mastina and Adorable; TL and momo; Shepard and jjh; Elements and Elbirn.
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Post Post #212 (isolation #43) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:58 am

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Mena, are you currently in a neighborhood with eth0s?
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Post Post #213 (isolation #44) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:59 am

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And yes, that's what I submitted N0.
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Post Post #217 (isolation #45) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:00 am

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My plan with the role was to try to pair people I feel are town with others who I feel are town, trying to create a pseudo-masonry.
Also, the neighborhoods only apply for that day and night, so after tonight, you'll have different hoods.

Pedit: I just randomly picked people for the pairing. I tried to pick people who I think would work well together.
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Post Post #218 (isolation #46) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:01 am

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I also double-checked what GE sent me. They're for the following day and night, so tomorrow you guys will have those pairings. I don't know why GE didn't include delayed into my role.
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Post Post #221 (isolation #47) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:02 am

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Also, @Elements, if I wanted to make a fake-claim, I'd say flagbearing restricted roleblocker.
My roleblocking restriction would be that I can only target people with my same pronouns, (eg, he/him).
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Post Post #227 (isolation #48) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:04 am

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Ok, I have to submit pairings for
everyone
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Pedit: Are you currently in a neighborhood with Elbrin, Elements?

Ppedit: When I look at player's metas, I tend to ignore who the others are in the game, since I don't care about them. I care about the player I'm trying to meta.
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Post Post #229 (isolation #49) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:06 am

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I literally have no idea about any of the pairings or how they work. I just got told later they'd apply for the following day/night. I'd assume that means because I submit it N0, it applies D1/N1. On D2/N2, you'll have a different pairing.
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Post Post #232 (isolation #50) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:07 am

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What is the flavor? I was only told my picks were received, nothing else.
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Post Post #235 (isolation #51) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:09 am

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I couldn't figure out who else to pair you with. Wherever you are in the pairing is when I added your pair. I would've paired you and me, but I self-excluded myself.
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Post Post #239 (isolation #52) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:12 am

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That matches the flavor of my pm about the indecisive part. I want people to "figure out what's right for them" so I can't submit pairings until two phases later.

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Post Post #240 (isolation #53) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:13 am

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With the people I have no experience playing with, I basically just RNG'd the pick. I personally felt like eth0s's playstyle and your playstyle were similar enough to the point you two would get along well, Mena.
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Post Post #241 (isolation #54) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:15 am

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Which another thing as well, before the lynch, I do want everyone to post a readslist, (unless you're about to get lynched), so I have an idea for who I should pair you with.
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Post Post #245 (isolation #55) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:20 am

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You and eth0s are the only people I've actually played mafia with. I remember both of your playstyles being similar so I felt like it'd work out well between you two.
Elements and Elbirn were just because their names started with El, and I couldn't think of anything better.
I have no information about Shepard and jjh, so I paired them together.
TL and momo I have no information about (regarding mafia), so I paired them together.
Mastina and Adorable were paired because IMO, Mastina was a wildcard and could reasonably be paired with anyone.
Espresso and Tiph were literal RNG
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Post Post #246 (isolation #56) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:22 am

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From what I remember of playing with eth0s, he was very aggressive and pretty much tunneled on Lovebird, (my partner), in FFB.
I'd describe your playstyle as fairly aggressive, and we did the exact same thing in Newbie 1949 as eth0s and Lovebird did in FFB.
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Post Post #247 (isolation #57) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:22 am

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In post 246, Korina wrote:From what I remember of playing with eth0s, he was very aggressive and pretty much tunneled on Lovebird, (my partner), at the very start of FFB.
I'd describe your playstyle as fairly aggressive, and we did the exact same thing in Newbie 1949 as eth0s and Lovebird did in FFB.
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Post Post #248 (isolation #58) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:25 am

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If I wasn’t self-excluding, I would’ve paired you and me Mena. If you rolled scum, it’d make for an interesting start, otherwise we’d have basically a masonry on d1.
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Post Post #252 (isolation #59) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:30 am

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Tbh, my role makes little sense, but I’m just going with it. I was hoping to get scum by submitting pride flag because flagbearing roleblocker is such an obvious choice, but... eh
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Post Post #253 (isolation #60) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:31 am

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eth0s, I literally just explained what I’d do as scum. I’d just RNG every single pair, or later on, purposefully pair people with their scumreads. Additionally, if I’m scum, why do I claim I’m a flagbearer?
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Post Post #254 (isolation #61) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:32 am

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Flagbearer implies I’m scum, and if you lynch me, all members of my faction die too.
It’d be so much easier for scum!me to just never mention that.
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Post Post #270 (isolation #62) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:48 am

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In post 255, Menalque wrote:Okay, I need to think about this

I hate your claim, I can see that being a scum role over a town role most days, and I don’t like that you didn’t just
claim the flagbearer instead of softing it
. Also think you were misrepping eth0s during that argumen, but I read the PT with him first and he asked if I thought you were misrepping him so idk if I was primed to read it that way. Also don’t like elements, and I don’t like how he involved himself in that debate,
plus I can see scum!you deciding to take heat on yourself rather than elements on account of thinking you’d have a better chance of surviving it than him.

On the other hand, I think that you’re different here to 1949 and you don’t seem like the kind of player who would shift your whole play just to avoid me reading you correctly, so I’m fairly inclined towards town for you based on that.

What do you think of elements?
re:italized The point of softing it was to try to prevent my ability from ever activating. If scum know I'm a flagbearer, they kill me the first chance they get. I probably won't die tonight because I have no idea if my ability is active tonight, (nor when it even does activate), but N2+? Yea, I'm most likely the person to get shot at that point. I'm hoping the fact that not even me knowing what the effect is dissuades scum from doing so however.

re:bolded Think of it this way: If I'm scum, my most logical role to get is flagbearing restricted roleblocker. That'd mean my flagbearer ability is most likely unmodified, meaning if I'm lynched, my entire faction dies as well. That means I don't want to be the center of attention. That means I want to lurk as heavily as possible and draw as little attention to myself as humanly possible. Me putting heat on myself to protect a scumbuddy isn't something I'd do if I know that means I can instantly lose the game.

Regarding elements, he's currently pretty scummy imo. I don't really like his posts atm, but I do wanna get others to participate before voting him.
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eth0s wrote:So that we wouldn't lynch you?
If I'm a flagbearer and I have a weak claim, (eg restricted/modified roleblocker, cop, etc.), there is no reason why town
shouldn't
lynch me. If I'm somehow town, we probably lose a few townies, but not the entire town. If I'm scum, guess what? That's an entire scum-faction down! Therefore, if I'm a flagbearer, I have to either not claim flagbearer, or make such a ridiculous claim with flagbearer that it's actually believable that I could be a town.

Additionally, flagbearer is pretty much only aligned with scumfactions. Rarely is it aligned with town. If it is, and it kills the entire town, then it's a bastard role. This game isn't bastard, so we can safely assume I don't kill the entire town.
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Post Post #278 (isolation #63) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:58 am

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In post 271, eth0s wrote:Wait so if you die period, whether it be by NK or lynch, more of your faction will die? But if it's a lynch then the WHOLE faction dies?
Typical flagbearer mechanics is when the flagbearer is lynched, all member of their faction die. A town flagbearer who kills all other townies upon lynch is bastard. This game isn't bastard however, so that isn't the issue. I was told my flagbearer abilities are modified, and they aren't currently active, however, I have no idea what the modifications to the ability is, nor the activation requirements.

I'd assume my flagbearer ability only comes into play once it activates, and I'm lynched. Anything else would technically be bastard. Another thing, I should reasonably be told when it activates. If not, I could make a semantic argument about that being bastard, and I really doubt that the reviewers of the game were like "town flagbearer who doesn't know when they start flagbearing
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is perfectly fine and totally balanced."
In post 272, eth0s wrote:If it isn't activated yet then couldn't a vig just shoot you for safety? Or is the play to keep you healed or jailed or what? Obviously we don't want protector roles to claim but if we don't know that we have any then isn't letting you live a giant risk in of itself for the future of the game, assuming you are town?
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Post Post #279 (isolation #64) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 7:59 am

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tl;dr My ability most likely applies to lynch only; having a vig shoot me is a waste with no gain; having protectives on me is also a waste
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Post Post #281 (isolation #65) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:01 am

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Wait, your chat was a confirmed masonry?
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Post Post #283 (isolation #66) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:02 am

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Adorable, do you have two separate PTs or just one and it's a masonry?
If it's two, then holy shit I randomly put the two masons in a neighborhood, good job me.
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Post Post #284 (isolation #67) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:03 am

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Also, if I rolled survivor, I'd just say in my first post I'm survivor and full-claim.
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Post Post #286 (isolation #68) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:05 am

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And also, for this game, masons have to be confirmed town. Otherwise it's bastard.
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Post Post #287 (isolation #69) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:06 am

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In post 285, eth0s wrote:I think adorable doesn't realized you claimed both abilities
Here's the thing though. Adorable just said they're a mason. That means {Adorable, Mastina} would both be masons, and therefore confirmed town. If that's the case, they'd have a mason PT,
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the neighborhood I created. If they only have one PT, then that's something else we'd have to discuss later.
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Post Post #292 (isolation #70) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:41 am

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Alright, so when the day ends, I need you and Mastina to please tell me who you want to be paired with for tomorrow. I definitely would like to be one of them, but if you two have someone you're TRing more and want to form an extended masonry with for tomorrow, that's fine with me.
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Post Post #295 (isolation #71) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:57 am

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It's not. Literally read the fucking game TD. I said my ability activates at some point, I have no idea when it is, but I do know for a fact it can't kill the entire town.
This game isn't bastard. The fact that I'm a town flagbearer means either someone has a role to disable my ability, or my ability is basically supersaint, except it targets town.
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Post Post #296 (isolation #72) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:01 am

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Also, the fact that you wanna lynch me now when we have two masons, and I have the ability to extend that masonry for a day really pings me as scummy.

VOTE: TD
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Post Post #297 (isolation #73) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:04 am

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I'm currently going through ISOs to try to get some reads going, and I noticed this:
In post 106, Elbirn wrote:I don't want ele lynched we're dating today
Did GE say anything about you two being lovers, or is it just that you two are in the PT I made and you don't want them lynched?
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Post Post #299 (isolation #74) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:08 am

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Interesting. I'd assume that means that you two will still know the other is town past that, you just won't have a PT.
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Post Post #301 (isolation #75) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:13 am

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Yea, but like I said, either there is someone with a role that disables mine, or I'm basically a supersaint who targets a townie. I really doubt that I kill more than 2 people.
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Post Post #303 (isolation #76) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:51 am

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The point I'd say that would be a good move is literally when we'd automatically lose due to the lynch, which means the day before mylo, or mylo. Either way, at that point if anyone votes me and my ability is activated, they're confirmed scum and should always be hanged that moment.
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Post Post #306 (isolation #77) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:17 am

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Like I have said, I'm 99.9% sure that my ability once activated, will only trigger if I'm lynched. Any night actions are pretty much a waste. The only reason why a doctor should ever be on me is if they believe that I'm going to be shot by mafia, and they want to stop the kill.
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Post Post #307 (isolation #78) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:18 am

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Also, I'd like to point out once again, if I'm a mafia-flagbearer, I don't out myself as flagbearer. I'd do it as town or third party, where the only person reasonably dying due to my ability is me, and me alone. With town it's iffy because I don't know how many people I kill.
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Post Post #310 (isolation #79) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 10:59 am

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@TL, yes scum can. Scum very much can. Plus that setup spec isn't really setup spec. It's the potential outcomes of what I could be.
It's townie, yes, but not what I'd call setup spec.
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Post Post #317 (isolation #80) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:49 pm

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Cool, jjh is scum.
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Post Post #318 (isolation #81) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 1:51 pm

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Literally anyone suggesting to lynch me is scum, because the rest of my ability is extremely useful for town, and only scum would want to mitigate that. Doesn’t matter when my flagbearer ability activates, it literally should only affect lynches, and at that point anyone suggesting to lynch me is guaranteed scum
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Post Post #326 (isolation #82) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:26 pm

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Ok, literally jjh, if I were to be trying to fakeclaim something, I've already stated that modified roleblocker would be so much easier to get away with.
Additionally, if I'm scum here, WHY THE FUCK AM I CLAIMING I'M A FLAGBEARER? WHAT BENEFIT DOES SCUM!ME GAIN FROM SAYING I'M A SCUMROLE, ESPECIALLY WHEN THAT'D MEAN EVERYONE ON MY FACTION DIES?
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Post Post #330 (isolation #83) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:32 pm

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Ok, jjh, literally use your fucking brain for a moment. Let's say I'm scum here, alright? My role is exactly what I claimed, but I know exactly what my flagbearing conditions are. Let's also say that it's standard flagbearer, where all members of my faction die.
I have two options for what I can do:
- Not claim flagbearer, hope for the best.
- Claim flagbearer, but attach something so convoluted and hope people believe it.

Which one is easier for scum!me to do? It's not claiming flagbearer.
Even if I have a modified ability where not all members of my faction will die, not claiming flagbearer is much easier to go with.

So please, explain why the fuck I claim flagbearer as scum, unless you believe I'm a third party flagbearer claiming town.
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Post Post #338 (isolation #84) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:40 pm

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jjh, part of my role is literally confirmed.
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Post Post #343 (isolation #85) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:42 pm

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It's literally confirmed by multiple people that I have the ability to create neighborhoods. The modifiers on that ability can't be confirmed, but they exist.
If I rolled scum here, it'd be more useful to scum to have a roleblocker over a neighborhood creator. Reasonably, if I were to have access to the neighborhoods, that could be justified for a scum role, however, I don't have access to them. I literally had no idea if the ability even went through before we got the first confirmations of it working.
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Post Post #344 (isolation #86) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:43 pm

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Also, jjh, if you have proof I'm lying about my role, please present it.
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Post Post #346 (isolation #87) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:43 pm

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I'd fucking love to see you disprove what the mod told me.
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Post Post #349 (isolation #88) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:44 pm

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When have I ever argued that bad mysterious flagbearer things will happen? I've been arguing the rest of my role has more power that'd go to waste if I get lynched d1.
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Post Post #351 (isolation #89) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:46 pm

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That's the entire fucking crux of my argument. I have the ability to create a pseudo-masonry between people who are pretty damn certain the other is town. Which, before you try to bring up post two, I didn't fucking read it. I literally just counted out the letters and sent that. I don't really care enough about it. You really think if I'm scum I'd allow something like that to slip past?
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Post Post #355 (isolation #90) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:51 pm

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That was at the very beginning of the game. I wanted to avoid claiming flagbearer to hopefully wifom scum into not killing me.
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Post Post #357 (isolation #91) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 2:58 pm

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I asked GE for clarification on most of my role PM, and I got told that on D1 alone the ability cannot take effect.
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Post Post #360 (isolation #92) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:07 pm

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No, I don't. GE literally told me in reply something to the effect of "It can't activate on day one."
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Post Post #361 (isolation #93) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:07 pm

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So if you wanna spin that as me somehow knowing when it activates as a broad "any day after the first", yea, sure ig I do.
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Post Post #366 (isolation #94) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:36 pm

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1. The neighborhood creation is my ability. That’s it, apart from flagbearing.
2. I’m a conditional self-excluding. If there’s an odd number of players, I don’t get one.
3. If I had access to the PTs, I wouldn’t have asked any of the questions regarding the flavor of them, nor if people had access to them,
because I would’ve known already they existed.

4. My plan with them is to get everyone to post reads and say who they feel is the towniest player, and I pair those people together using my best judgement. The rest of it is on you and how you wanna go about it.
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Post Post #367 (isolation #95) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:37 pm

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The neighborhoods also are a great benefit to town considering we have a confirmed mason pair. I can pair them with townie players and form an extended masonry.
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Post Post #371 (isolation #96) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:42 pm

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Also, if you’re gonna try to say me posting a lot is AI, you are dead wrong. All my games I post a lot. That is literally how I play the game. I joke around with friends that the easiest way to read me is to not even try, because it’s kinda true. I play similarly as town and scum. I genuinely don’t put much thought into my scumplay either. If I do, it’s because I have a masterplan and I wanna see it through.

tl;dr literally everything is in my scumrange. Anything I do as town I will do as scum and vice versa
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Post Post #373 (isolation #97) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:43 pm

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Alright fine, I’ll admit it then. I lied about flagbearer. I used it to try to flush out scum. It worked. jjh took the bait so hard, it’s not even funny.
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Post Post #375 (isolation #98) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:44 pm

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Yea, my masterplan as town was to gambit out scum by claiming flagbearer. People will react to that, and I get to discern whether it's town or scum reacting.
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Post Post #376 (isolation #99) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:44 pm

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I'll look at the posts regarding it and tell you what I got from it
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Post Post #377 (isolation #100) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:45 pm

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Everything else about my role is true btw
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Post Post #380 (isolation #101) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:48 pm

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No, I had a purpose to gambit flagbearer claim.
Also, Adorable confirmed the mason pair.
In post 280, Adorable wrote:Masons are always town aligned from what I remember and that's why I was town reading Mastina for being in a mason chat with me and it turns out everyone has a mason chat. At first I was thinking Korina was an independent who could pair up players and put them in a mason chat and then I had to look up the Flagbearer role because I was not familiar with it and it said it is mafia aligned. Scum claiming Flagbearer on day 1 is pretty ballsy and scum would want to avoid those kind of suspicious claims they make on day 1.
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Post Post #383 (isolation #102) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:50 pm

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Mena town
eth0s town
shepard possibly scum
jjh scum
td scum

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Post Post #385 (isolation #103) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:50 pm

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In post 288, Adorable wrote:
In post 283, Korina wrote:Adorable, do you have two separate PTs or just one and it's a masonry?
If it's two, then holy shit I randomly put the two masons in a neighborhood, good job me.
It's two separate pt and I thought it was supposed to be like that.
There's also this post jjh.
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Post Post #387 (isolation #104) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:51 pm

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I'm looking at how you interacted with my claim. You went from distrusting me to trusting me on it. I don't see a townie doing that.
jjh and td instantly went against it, while mena and eth0s didn't really go against it.
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Post Post #389 (isolation #105) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:53 pm

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I'm looking at it this way atm as well:
{Me, Mena, eth0s, Mastina, Adorable} all confirmed at this point.
{td, jjh, shepard} are all scum to me.

Apart from the masons, that came about from me claiming flagbearer.
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Post Post #391 (isolation #106) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:54 pm

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I don't even fucking know what slayers gambit is.
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Post Post #393 (isolation #107) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:55 pm

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You really expect me to try to pull off a gambit I don't know?
Plus, my entire plan from the second I opened my PM was to claim flagbearer. Only in retrospect did I realize that I should've claimed flagbearing survivor, not flagbearing town.
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Post Post #394 (isolation #108) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:55 pm

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Then lynch me. When I flip town though, you get rope next.
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Post Post #395 (isolation #109) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:56 pm

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That sound good to you?
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Post Post #398 (isolation #110) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:58 pm

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I know the name slayers gambit because I have looked at the gambit page trying to see if I could mark off the gambit achievement on my wiki because of newbie 1949, however, I have never looked at slayer's gambit past the name.
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Post Post #400 (isolation #111) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 4:59 pm

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Which, I will gladly take a photo of the gambit page on the wiki to show you that I have never looked at slayers before. I just don't know if it's against the rules or not.
@mod is it?
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Post Post #401 (isolation #112) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:00 pm

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jjh, I have given you a deal. You get to lynch me, and you see that I'm town, in exchange for you being tomorrows lynch. Either accept it or move on.
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Post Post #408 (isolation #113) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:03 pm

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I also just looked at slayers gambit.
Slayer's Gambit wrote:
When a vanilla townie intentionally acts scummy
in an attempt to find scum eager to jump on to a bandwagon early in the game. Named after Disciple Slayer, a player who used this gambit in Mini 533
I'm not VT. I'm a confirmed powerrole. The entire point of my fake claim as well wasn't to see who'd be willing to vote me. It was to see how others would react to the claim.
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Post Post #412 (isolation #114) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:06 pm

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@eth0s, I am telling you that the flagbearer part of my role pm doesn't exist. I'm going to paraphrase my entire role pm as GE sent it to me as well:

"you're fortunate enough to be town. your abilities are based on a gay pride flag making you an Indecisive Conditional Self-Excluding Neighborhood Crafter.
- Before day begins, you must submit two player hoods for all living players.
- If there's an odd number of players, you don't get one. You submit after night flips but before day start.
- Pairings can't be submitted again until two cycles later, so d1 pairing can be submitted d4."

pedit: Because at that point, I felt like I had gotten all the information I would from it, so I decided to stop it.
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Post Post #414 (isolation #115) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:08 pm

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JJH, then fucking lynch me, and see that i'm fucking town.
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Post Post #415 (isolation #116) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:08 pm

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VOTE: Korina

Here, I'll fucking help you with that.
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Post Post #417 (isolation #117) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:08 pm

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It's so blatantly obvious you're scum at this point that it's frustrating me.
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Post Post #418 (isolation #118) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:09 pm

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Also, the fucking "I should know better" argument means jackshit. Ask Mena that. He knows that I will fucking argue that point.
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Post Post #420 (isolation #119) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:10 pm

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Just because I should, doesn't mean I will. Plus, my play is so unorthodox that literally, you have better odds of correctly predicting my alignment by throwing darts at a fucking board than trying to meta read me.

Pedit: Because I know if I die, you get lynched next.
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Post Post #423 (isolation #120) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:14 pm

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You'll find out in the morning, when I'm not about to punch a hole through my computer in frustration at this fucking game.
Until then, you'll just have to guess.

Btw, if you lynch me within the next 7ish hours, lynch jjh tomorrow.
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Post Post #426 (isolation #121) » Tue Sep 17, 2019 5:19 pm

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I have literally given you a fucking open invitation to lynch me and prove that I'm town. Fucking take it, or fucking leave me alone.
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Post Post #443 (isolation #122) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:59 am

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@EP, yea, because I wasn’t expecting to stop it d1. Also, that’s a part of lying if you wanna get anywhere. If you don’t sounds like you believe your own bullshit, you won’t get anywhere
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Post Post #446 (isolation #123) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:43 am

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I would ignore you if I'm scum, and drastically change my playstyle. You know my scummeta from first-hand experience, therefore I'd wanna try to stop you from using any knowledge about it.
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Post Post #447 (isolation #124) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 7:43 am

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Also, I'm not gonna reply to anything else today because I fucking had to buy a VPN in order to post because apparently my college's wifi got flagged for spam.
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Post Post #466 (isolation #125) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:37 am

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UNVOTE:
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Post Post #467 (isolation #126) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:37 am

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I'm not scum.
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Post Post #470 (isolation #127) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:38 am

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Literally get a cop on me tonight if you're that certain I'm scum. I'm having to side with eth0s on this one because that logic actually is sound.
You cop me tonight, you get a green result, you move along.
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Post Post #473 (isolation #128) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:40 am

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Another thing I'd like to call to attention: If I'm scum, I don't give up a lie. I will keep pushing it until I get lynched. Why am I giving up my flagbearer lie rn and guaranteeing I'm getting lynched if I'm scum?

Pedit: Ok jjh, what if I flip town? Then what?
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Post Post #474 (isolation #129) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:40 am

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What are you gonna do when you see that I'm actually town?
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Post Post #477 (isolation #130) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:41 am

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Elements, are you just gonna sheep the wagon and not contribute jackshit?
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Post Post #480 (isolation #131) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:43 am

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Also, here's a list of games where I played poorly. Compare them to this game, and tell me if you notice any major differences between them, (apart from the obvious flagbearer claim)
1, 2, 3
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Post Post #481 (isolation #132) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:43 am

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JJH, answer my question as well. When I flip town, what happens?
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Post Post #485 (isolation #133) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:45 am

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Y'know what? Fine.
VOTE: Korina

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Post Post #486 (isolation #134) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:46 am

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JJH and Elements are scum.
I don't really give a fuck at this point.
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Post Post #488 (isolation #135) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:46 am

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Literally if my lynch is required for you fucks to realize that I'm town, so be it.
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Post Post #490 (isolation #136) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:46 am

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Too late.
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Post Post #491 (isolation #137) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:47 am

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Lynch JJH tomorrow please and ty
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Post Post #493 (isolation #138) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:47 am

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ethos and mena are town btw.
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Post Post #495 (isolation #139) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:48 am

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Because at this point, I'm the inevitable lynch. JJH is so blatantly scum that I don't give a fuck anymore. I have to be lynched in order to prove him wrong.
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Post Post #497 (isolation #140) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:48 am

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Scum got their D1 mislynch. Elements is also fucking scummy and should eat rope soon.
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Post Post #498 (isolation #141) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:49 am

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I'm really tempted to post my role PM since I'm dead anyways tbh
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Post Post #503 (isolation #142) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:51 am

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{Me, Adorable, Mastina}
{eth0s, Mena}
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{Shepard, momo, EP, TL} - Null
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{TD, Elements}
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Here's my reads btw
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Post Post #505 (isolation #143) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:52 am

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jjh > elements > td should all eat rope in that order.
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Post Post #506 (isolation #144) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:52 am

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In post 470, Korina wrote:Literally get a cop on me tonight if you're that certain I'm scum. I'm having to side with eth0s on this one because that logic actually is sound.
You cop me tonight, you get a green result, you move along.
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Post Post #507 (isolation #145) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:52 am

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I fucking acknowledged eth0s's post.
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Post Post #512 (isolation #146) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:53 am

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@Elbirn I'm done with mafia at this point tbh. I'm probably gonna finish off my last few games then site-leave.
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Post Post #513 (isolation #147) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:54 am

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Literally this entire game has been shit for me.
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Post Post #514 (isolation #148) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:54 am

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You really think I can pretend to give a fuck at this point when I have the entire scumteam nailed down?
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Post Post #518 (isolation #149) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:56 am

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I'm not because of this game. You're so blatently scummy yet nobody is addressing it.
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Post Post #520 (isolation #150) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:56 am

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It's a fucking uphill battle for me where no matter what the fuck I do, I lose.
It's the literal definition of catch-22.
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Post Post #521 (isolation #151) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:57 am

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The lesser of all evils is to kill my slot, and give town a chance to see how fucking scummy you are because of it.
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Post Post #523 (isolation #152) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:58 am

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WHEN THE FUCK DID I?
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Post Post #525 (isolation #153) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 11:58 am

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I FUCKING AGREED WITH YOU THAT COPPING ME IS A BETTER SOLUTION
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Post Post #541 (isolation #154) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:12 pm

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I'm here. TD is just scummy in my eyes. Elements is extremely scummy, hence why I think they should eat rope after jjh does.
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Post Post #548 (isolation #155) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:23 pm

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Wrong. You still haven't even fucking answered the question of what happens when I flip town
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Post Post #554 (isolation #156) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:26 pm

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JJH, JUST ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN I FLIP TOWN?
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Post Post #555 (isolation #157) » Wed Sep 18, 2019 12:27 pm

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THAT'S ALL I'M ASKING YOU TO DO
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Post Post #680 (isolation #158) » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:15 am

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Waiting on the mod. Also, if I was scum, I'd be trying to cause as much chaos at this point as I could.
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Post Post #681 (isolation #159) » Thu Sep 19, 2019 5:15 am

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We've had a pretty long while for twilight.
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Post Post #2466 (isolation #160) » Sat Oct 26, 2019 10:36 am

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In post 2431, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 2387, Menalque wrote:I’m kinda disappointed not to have seen the power ups tbh, especially if they came with new flavour
Yeah everything had some good flavor ideas behind it
That was the main point of this game, testing my skill at role writing. That was the meaning of "make me regret" but Korina submitting what he did shooked me
Hey, you said to make you regret it. I did just that by submitting gay pride flag. However, I was debating on submitting a bunch of other random things that'd make you really regret this.

Like, tide pods, a concrete brick, picture of my gay roommate and his boyfriend or my personal favorite literal garbage.
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