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[Tchill13]

VOTE: reaper of souls

I enjoyed the tenacity hectic went at elements with though lol.

[Tchill13]

I might go ahead and lock town the hectic dude.

Players that think certain alignments NEVER do anything tend to be town and they also tend to think they're always right. They're fun ppl to mess with, but it's too early for that.

[Tchill13]

Reaper was the first player to unvote other than the self voter.

[Tchill13]

Reaper was the first player to unvote other than the self voter.

I have a name you know.

You will hereby be known as the self voter until I call you by your actual name.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: Elements

Hectic's post was a beauty. I have high expectations for this game.

Pedit: nvm this is a bad post VOTE: Tchill

VOTE: Elements

Your call buddy.

[Tchill13]

Hey I called you by your name.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: reaper

I actually agree with you. I voted elements to see what NotMySpam would do but I'm more interested in pushing reaper tbh.

[Tchill13]

Means you didn't really mean it when you put him at L-1. Had someone LOL lynched you would have been fine with it but now that you have an opportunity to show you care about the lynch you're making sure other people notice.

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I've actually never seen someone claim they didn't know it was majority lynch. What weak reasoning... It's too weak.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

I believe reaper for now. Besides that's a terrible argument to make as scum to try and save yourself d1. Surely scum would come up with something better.

[Tchill13]

So far 3 ppl have thrown shade at me without acting on it.

[Tchill13]

So far 3 ppl have thrown shade at me without acting on it.

Which three?

Reaper, azure and NotMySpamAccount

[Tchill13]

Azure you're not wrong I have been opportunistic. I'd like to know how I'm supposed to develop reads without applying pressure though. Do I sit back and not post at all?

[Tchill13]

VOTE: azuresky

That's L-1.

[Tchill13]

meh tchill is kinda scummy

i think azure has a townie-ish reaction to getting wagoned (specifically 141 and 144)

To create a tchill you add a pinch of scummy, a dash of reaction testing and then you lightly sprinkle salt of the bitch variety... Apparently. I'm just reading the ingredients.

[Tchill13]

elements are you usually this antagonistic?

I feel like this is just his style. Probably bumps heads with a lot of people. He's also made it abundantly clear he's OK with an azure lynch this early.

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I'll place my vote on someone who I think has a decent chance of being scum

VOTE: Azuresky

Also the only reason I see frost voting azure is a reaction test. So that's actual reason?....and it's OK as long as you loudly proclaim that's the reason right?

[Tchill13]

2 wagons at L-1 before page 8. Doesn't surprise me that neither has went through, I highly doubt this one does. Other than frost azure can't pinpoint a reason for any vote. Can't really look too much into RVS votes imo, I mean I don't think either wagon has had good reason tbh because reapers and azures blew up for little to no reason.

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Azure I have nothing to be salty about? If so I missed it.

And once again what you call opportunistic I call, reaction testing.

Now did elements remove his vote because skitter started leaning scum on him? Or was it something else?

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I'm voting you to see what happens.

I answered for elements because I'm scum with him and I need to hold his hand for us to win this game... Smh.

I simply wanted to put my thoughts on the conversation. That's it. Please send me the rule book on where I'm allowed to post and on what subjects.

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Now did elements remove his vote because skitter started leaning scum on him? Or was it something else?

I unvoted to prevent roster from lolhammering

So why didn't you unvote when I put azure at L-1 to prevent ANYONE from LOL hammering?

[Tchill13]

Hectic is so enjoyable lol. I love it. It's like me without a filter in an extremist state.

[Tchill13]

Elements vs azure isn't worth. It's troll meets go hard.

[Tchill13]

UNVOTE:

OK I've seen enough (but my goodness is it tempting to annoy azure even more lol)

I like azure for town. Shows frustration I can relate to when it comes to bad townies.

I think elements reasoning for unvoting is bogus. Doesn't make sense to remove your vote from a fear of hammer when ypi could have don't that when, azure was immediately put at L-1.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: Elements

That's L-1. Yeah I'm being a pretty salty bitch rn.

[Tchill13]

UNVOTE:

im gonna reread the thread at some point.

[Tchill13]

Looks to me someone is fishing for reactions. I've been paying attention.

[Tchill13]

Bummer that she's a PR, but imo scum did us a favor because I was gonna tunnel azure but why the hell did she hammer?

[Tchill13]

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

[Tchill13]

@elements why does an azure nk setup you or NotMySpamAccount specifically? I agree the nk was made to cause confusion. It pretty much has to be considering azure was probably gonna be lynched today.

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I think your first point is invalid because literally everyone is gonna say "why would I kill azure?" when being pressured.

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Both scum members are gonna make the same exact statement early D2 huh?

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As long as you've dismissed it lol. Sorry. Of the 2 who do you think is the more likely to be scum? I'd say skitter. Seemed fence sitty d1.

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I lkke what hectic is selling I'm not gonna lie. You use to many fucking words dude... It's like reading a damn novel every post...

[Tchill13]

So disregard the night kill means nothing because there was no crumb of a PR you couldn't find correct?

[Tchill13]

@hectic

If you follow your reasoning for pushing elements so hard it also applies to you. Azure's scum reads that are still alive are me/you and elements.

But because you brought that up before elements did we're all supposed to town read you and scum read elements?

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I agree that scum reads are a driving factor in most night kills.

She left 4 total. One was the lynch.

So if that's the driving factor wouldn't scum hesitate since they still have to get past 2 day phases? I could see them doing it on the last day phase but we literally have 2 day phases to Lynch 3 ppl if scum is in there.

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@hectic

If you follow your reasoning for pushing elements so hard it also applies to you. Azure's scum reads that are still alive are me/you and elements.

But because you brought that up before elements did we're all supposed to town read you and scum read elements?

Well, the fact he's ignoring it completely does make him a lot more fucking scummy.
And don't pretend like Azure wasn't scumreading Elements a whole lot more than me yesterday.

I find it interesting that you pushed elements before me. Elements voted you and didn't bring azure's reads up (fair point I guess) but I was also in there and I also was on every wagon that reached L-1 I'm pretty sure. Which is scummier than what elements did imo. So it just looks to me like had I pushed you like elements did you'd be pressing me atm.

Are you the type that scum reads everyone that pushes you when you're town?

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I agree that scum reads are a driving factor in most night kills.

She left 4 total. One was the lynch.

So if that's the driving factor wouldn't scum hesitate since they still have to get past 2 day phases? I could see them doing it on the last day phase but we literally have 2 day phases to Lynch 3 ppl if scum is in there.

Last day phase before lylo.

[Tchill13]

Every game I play people think I'm dumb af scum I swear.

[Tchill13]

VOTE: Elements

Let's see what happens.

[Tchill13]

UNVOTE:

I'm not risking that for a pissing contest.

[Tchill13]

I guess I'll dive into this one seeing how it's still elements vs hectic... Not tonight but soon. Been unexpectedly busy. Apologies.

[Tchill13]

OK mass claim time.

I'm vt. I think hectic is next then NotMySpamAccount.

[Tchill13]

We'll all claim and then I'll give my thoughts.

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You've been on both lynches.

I don't really care what you think is pro town or anti town atm.

We're mass claiming.

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How does it make sense that you have a town lean on spam. A SR on Aaron and then you tunneled elements for his position on the lynch? You should open the day SR'ing me and not town leaning spam if I follow your elements logic.

[Tchill13]

Oh I just realized the theme is newbie quotes which is why the mod is doing that.

I actually really like that saladman. Very cool.

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I'd prefer my scum reads have to claim without seeing everyone else do so first.

Please let hectic and spam go before anyone else.

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So are you refusing to claim?

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I don't understand why we should not claim so PR's can continue to not worried about being nigh killed... If it's lylo lol.

[Tchill13]

Sweet. Keep it coming ppl.

[Tchill13]

Well damn. I guess we'll see what hectic is. I'll go ahead and discuss where I think the game is before that. Give me a bit.

[Tchill13]

2 wagons at L-1 before page 8. Doesn't surprise me that neither has went through, I highly doubt this one does. Other than frost azure can't pinpoint a reason for any vote. Can't really look too much into RVS votes imo, I mean I don't think either wagon has had good reason tbh because reapers and azures blew up for little to no reason.

OK so I'm 2 shot doc and here's my crumb. First letter of every sentence is "2DOC" as in 2 shot doc. So NotMySpamAccount is scum.

I targeted hectic n1 and Aaron n2.

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

[Tchill13]

OK mass claim time.

I'm vt. I think hectic is next then NotMySpamAccount.

Why the fuck did you claim VT here?

At least this confirms there's one scum between Tchill and Spam.
I agree that Aaron is likely the second.

??? Dude. I'm the doc and I crumbed. I wanted to see what everyone claimed. I only claimed vt there because I crumbed. Spam is scum.

[Tchill13]

2 wagons at L-1 before page 8. Doesn't surprise me that neither has went through, I highly doubt this one does. Other than frost azure can't pinpoint a reason for any vote. Can't really look too much into RVS votes imo, I mean I don't think either wagon has had good reason tbh because reapers and azures blew up for little to no reason.

OK so I'm 2 shot doc and here's my crumb. First letter of every sentence is "2DOC" as in 2 shot doc. So NotMySpamAccount is scum.

I targeted hectic n1 and Aaron n2.

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

Explain those night targets.

I town read you d1 and I town read Aaron D2.

No longer town read you after elements flipped town.

[Tchill13]

scum are able to crumb too.

Town are too and you obviously didn't lol.

I've already explained my targets, meanwhile you haven't even said who you've targeted.

[Tchill13]

Yeah usually I push for LaL actually. Like I said the only reason I claim vt is because I crumbed my role. I do it almost every time I'm a PR.

PEDIT: I agree about the scum slip. Ppl who yell scum slip are just lazy imo.

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Spam and Aaron didn't openly SR me. Hectic was really the only one that did. So the only reason I have for this is because oh Idk... I'm the protective.

[Tchill13]

Ffs, I really don't want to singlehandedly be the reason scum wins this game.

Deathtunneled two fucking townies to death already, I don't think I could handle getting this 1v1 wrong.

I may not have even gotten to post D2. If so just a handful. I literally had to read the shit over the night phase.

I think elements approach to d1 is terrible regardless of if he hates it or not. So I don't "hold you responsible" for the elements push. That's more on elements imo. Especially when the guy self hammers. He pretty much told town he doesn't care that we have to go to lylo before PG 20. Because he knew thats what was about to happen since he was town. Elements is to blame more so than anyone else if town loses.

That said. We've nailed scum. Take your time, there's no rush.

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I never said who the scum team is.

I think there's a possibility you are. You've deth tunneled 2 ppl. You've played so loud it's been hard for others to think.

Aaron could be scum here, but I think that's just as possible as skitter being scum.

I simply voted the guy who claimed protective because I am the protective.

I do not KNOW what the team is. I only KNOW spam is scum.

I don't suggest voting in lylo without knowing the team but ik spam is scum. I can spend the rest of the game figuring out who his partner is.

How ppl react in this situation will definitely help me sorting going forward.

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I agree with that. I would like to have an idea of what the team might be but my vote isn't coming off of spam at any point.

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I just want to know who spam "targeted" he didn't even give us that info.

[Tchill13]

Isn't this lylo?...

Me/hectic/aaron/spam/skitter.

What does it matter "who" he can save n3 if we mislynch someone else today?

[Tchill13]

Well this isn't a fun lylo. At least and probably only 1 scum in {Hectic, Tchill}, and Aaron as the other probably. I'm Town Indecisive Doctor. I can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row. I'd rather not claim who I've protected for obvious reasons.

We should be able to hear his 1st target.

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@aaron

He claims he can't target the same person 2 nights in a row. So his 2nd night doesn't need to be outed from towns perspective that think spam might be town (tbh I missed that until I reread) but we should be able to hear his n1 target.

[Tchill13]

In my role pm it specifically says I can't target myself. Of course I'm not gonna quote it word for word.

[Tchill13]

I'll just let hectic do his thing before I interject.

[Tchill13]

I claimed vt because I crumbed doc (which would have absolved any doubt about my claim, but apparently not)

I did this early so I could see if anyone else claimed a protective. I also did this early so I could CC opposed to letting the other claim then me acting like I just randomly decided to CC said claim.

The only thing that is odd is spam had the courage to claim protective that early in the claims.

Of course that's precisely why I wanted my 2 scum reads to go first.

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That's fine.

Scum spotting my crumb wasn't my intention. I'd like to think I crumb so well my crumbs will not be seen. I'll be surprised if you find anything remotely close to a crumb. This isn't a challenge lol I just didn't crumb anything else.

[Tchill13]

If scum spot your crumb you're night killed so...

[Tchill13]

Oh my lord have you ever seen anyone crumb vt? I chuckled lol.

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So far spam has said its unfortunate that he forgot to crumb this game and that he apparently has the ability to be so obv town that I get lynched but won't be able to display that anytime soon... Yeah yeah irl. Why not just wait until you have to time to obv town it up?

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well that kinda makes a tchill/elements team more likely, i think

@skitter

When did you notice my crumb?

[Tchill13]

I don't understand why Aaron thinks I as a PR want someone to see my crumb?

If anything it's an obscure crumb. So obscure that I think it's obvious my intent was for nobody to notice. I could have crumbed differently had I wanted someone else (scum apparently) to notice. At that point I'd be too worried about being the NK anyway.

[Tchill13]

It specifically says I'm not allowed to self heal, just double checked. I don't see how ppl don't specify that anyway due to new players coming the the site.

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The only person that hadn't claimed b4 NotMySpamAccount was skitter I believe. So "points me" or however he said it.

I like the claim from NotMySpamAccount. The indecisive adds a spice to it that makes it more believable. I just think you were unlucky because there's an actual protective.

You also are on the original azure wagon. You had seen that me and hectic had claimed vt by the time you claimed protective. This would have given you higher cred than me or hectic and you could have focused on one of our lynches. I'll have to go back and check which way it seems like you were about to push.

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Well this isn't a fun lylo. At least and probably only 1 scum in {Hectic, Tchill}, and Aaron as the other probably. I'm Town Indecisive Doctor. I can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row. I'd rather not claim who I've protected for obvious reasons.

Yeah by poe, aaron is almost certainly scum.

Lol look at this.

[Tchill13]

You claim protective then push either me or hectic as scum with Aaron.

The main difference between me/you/hectic being that you'd "presumably" be the protective.

[Tchill13]

So I'm not really familiar with this fucking "mafiascum wiki", but I went and had a good look at the Normal Game page.
And it does say shit like:

"If you are moderating on mafiascum.net in the Newbie, Open, or Normal queues, your game must follow the appropriate guidelines below."
and
"All flavor should be public; flavor is not allowed in Role PMs. Role names should be standard, or non-flavored if original."
-though this more about flavour.

A standard doctor PM according to the Doctor page looks like this:

Welcome, [Player Name], you are a

Town Doctor.

Abilities:

• Each night phase, you may attempt to protect one player in the game from being nightkilled.

Win condition:

• You win when all threats to the town have been eliminated.

Like how fucking likely is it that Saladman would include the "can't self-target" thing in the role PM.
Fuck, I hate playing mod WIFOM but I feel like this shouldn't be ignored.

Yeah it'd be pretty stupid of me to check the same wiki you have as scum and then double down on the fact that in my PM it specifically stated I can't self target.

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The only person that hadn't claimed b4 NotMySpamAccount was skitter I believe. So "points me" or however he said it.

I like the claim from NotMySpamAccount. The indecisive adds a spice to it that makes it more believable. I just think you were unlucky because there's an actual protective.

You also are on the original azure wagon. You had seen that me and hectic had claimed vt by the time you claimed protective. This would have given you higher cred than me or hectic and you could have focused on one of our lynches. I'll have to go back and check which way it seems like you were about to push.

Well this isn't a fun lylo. At least and probably only 1 scum in {Hectic, Tchill}, and Aaron as the other probably. I'm Town Indecisive Doctor. I can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row. I'd rather not claim who I've protected for obvious reasons.

Yeah by poe, aaron is almost certainly scum.

Lol look at this.

Leaving this here.

[Tchill13]

I'm about 10 posts into Aaron's iso rn, and honestly, it's sounding more like newish town than scum. I'm not sure what prompted my original sr there, but I'm starting to lean a bit more town. Also, with skitter claiming vt, that puts her solidly back in the scumpool.

Yeah I'm not sure what prompted my sr other than maybe subconcious omgus. His iso is actually pretty good. skitter, you're in the hot seat now.

do tell

Your posts haven't been great today. If you want me to do a detailed iso of you, just say the word.

Extremely opportunistic given that hectic already displayed his issues with skitter.

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Also why do you imply I couldn't have read sample role PMs before I claimed that it said I specifically couldn't self protect? You act like me checking would be pointless because I already committed. That's something scum would check BEFORE claiming that type of information.

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Exactly. Why commit before reading sample role PMs?

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Also I'd definitely like you providing your own content opposed to piggy backing off hectic.

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BOP?

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So spam is pushing skitter/tchill?

That's interesting. I'll have to reread some stuff. I don't think spam believed that to be the team until the last 2 or 3 pages.

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VOTE: Hectic

If Reaper flips town here:
Scum!Azure is hammering him before his replacement can come in to townspew and save this miserable train wreck of a slot.
That or she's playing as REAL fucking bad town.
Like town that doesn't deserve to be called town, or even a village.
More like a slum.

@nmsa i don't get it, why does this post implicate hectic in the nk; this post to me looks to me more like he might be setting up an azure mislynch after a reaper townflip; seems kinda silly to nk her if that's the case

You and Hectic bot hmissed the point. Killing Azu was a stupid move, because Azu was an easy ml. And Yet It Happened. Scum!Hectic posts this to make it look like an Azu kill wouldn't come from him.

If Reaper flips town here:
Scum!Azure is hammering him before his replacement can come in to townspew and save this miserable train wreck of a slot.
That or she's playing as REAL fucking bad town.
Like town that doesn't deserve to be called town, or even a village.
More like a slum.

@nmsa i don't get it, why does this post implicate hectic in the nk; this post to me looks to me more like he might be setting up an azure mislynch after a reaper townflip; seems kinda silly to nk her if that's the case

You and Hectic bot hmissed the point. Killing Azu was a stupid move, because Azu was an easy ml. And Yet It Happened. Scum!Hectic posts this to make it look like an Azu kill wouldn't come from him.

but like he recognizes azu is an easy mislynch ... so why doesn't he just aim to do that today instead of this wifom- stuff?

That's the whole point.

Everyone

recognized azu as an easy ml. Yet he was still shot. So who looks best from that nk? The guy who said azu absolutely had to be lynched.

k, I took a step back from the game and reread everything from a neutral pov. My reads have totally shifted, and I like Hectc for town now. I actually think Elements is scum. I don't want to hammer early, so I'll just UNVOTE: , but

intent on Elements 24h or so after the replacement shows up

Pedit: perfect timing lol

What happened here?

[Tchill13]

Whatever, this isn't changing ever. All that will happen is Hectic and Spam hypnotise you more into thinking I'm scum.
VOTE: Elements

If you're town, we're hsving a talk postgame. PSA because apparently I have to keep saying this: DON'T SELFHAMMER AS TOWN. IT'S ANTI-WINCON 99.9% OF THE TIME.

Fake rage?

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Well this isn't a fun lylo. At least and probably only 1 scum in {Hectic, Tchill}, and Aaron as the other probably. I'm Town Indecisive Doctor. I can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row. I'd rather not claim who I've protected for obvious reasons.

Really looks like you moved to elements with the intentions of pushing hectic again in lylo.

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Ohhhhh I'm what happened.

Hectic was being the reasonable person who didn't immediately try to jump to one side or another on the CC. hectic then mentions that he doesn't like skitter trying to make their vote the deciding vote in lylo.

Spam then panders to hectic and hard SR's skitter without a hint of SR'ing skitter the entire game up until hectic shows a disdain for skitter.

It's all very convenient.

[Tchill13]

Is it spam/aaron? That'd make sense front the pov hectic is town and skitter is the ML target.

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I actually agree with Hectic on this one. That statement seems to imply that you're conf!town which is far from the case. Just because we're both townreading you doesn't make you conf!town.

This might just be paranoia speaking but now I'm feeling like it could be skitter. Hectic is still my stronger scumread, but I haven't ruled out scum!skitter either. It's not gonna matter if we mislynch today though.

Looks like Aaron is opening the door to a skitter SR here. Hectic being pushed by Aaron also.

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It does put the aaron/spam team in such an odd place if hectic HAS to be the deciding vote given that they sr'd hectic the majority of the game.

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bro your first post after 380 is 407. all you said is reread.

ok

ah.... this is new. i didn't know there was a name for it. Ive used that specifically on mulch and Boonskies.

so now we have more reason for ppl to play like shit as town so they can play scum better. Greeeaaat. Not a fan at all of that being a mainstream thing.

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you penalize players for being good town players. Very crazy idea. I'd be careful. I had 5 plus games with the 2 ppl i did it with.

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He's a machine. Keep going. I'm scum for having a personality omg.

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I would suggest not doing that again unless you're sure lol.

I'm spam is scum. Idk with who. I thought it might be Aaron but this is interesting.

I don't think it's hectic because of how spam has played regarding hectic.

It very well could be skitter. I'll have to iso them.

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Spam is pushing skitter pretty hard though.

[Tchill13]

I'm spam is scum.

Idk with who. I thought it might be Aaron but this is interesting.

Is this a typo?

ik.

look how close k is to m on the keyboard lol.

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He doesn't really seem too interested in pushing skitter anymore as of 638

Spam is pushing skitter pretty hard though.

lmao no he isn't
he wanted to and started to but realized he couldn't and reversed course

well the effort was there.

its hard for me to see hectic/spam when hectic was constantly pushing ppl on the d1 wagon.

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So you think it's skitter/spam? I can see that.

[Tchill13]

Waiting on that expansion.

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I'm trying to figure out who is scum with spam given that I'm the nk after the spam lynch.

I'll have to reread but I'm not sure who it could be

Hectic pushed that d1 wagon all the way through. Unless I was gonna be the game winning ML I don't see him being scum with spam.

It's really skitter or aaron for me.

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VC 1.7

IC, if we kill you can we still ask for help? >_>

ReaperOfSouls (5) -

rosterfoster, Hectic, NotMySpamAccount, Elements, Azuresky

HAMMER!

Elements (2) -

AaronFrost, skitter30

rosterfoster (1) -

ReaperOfSouls

Not Voting (1) -

Tchill13

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-09-17 11:00:00)

Game Notes

- skitter30 is V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays

VC 2.5

[

Btw for super new newbs

VT - Vanilla Townie

PR - Power Role

ML - Mislynch

TR - Town Read
TL - Town Lean
SL - Scum Lean
SR - Scum Read

PoE - Process of Elimination

NK - Night Kill

JK - Jailkeep

NAI - Non Alignment Indicitive

Sheeping - Following the crowd

Pocketing - synonym for buddying, which means making someone else think you're less of a threat by acting friendly or something of the sort.

WIFOM - Wine in Front of Me
Lets say something is the optimal play for town. But then scum does it to confuse town and if we ML then it might actually be better for scum.

Town!x - refers to "if x is town..."
For example, town!emps would post more

Scum!x - refers to "if x is scum"
For example, scum!emps would sheep more

Scum!x and town!x can, and usually will be paraphrased, because "if emps is scum would sheep more"
Makes like no sense

Elements (4) -

skitter30, Hectic, AaronFrost, Elements

HAMMER!

Not Voting (3) -

rosterfoster, Tchill13, NotMySpamAccount

With

7

alive, it takes

4

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-09-23 11:00:00)

Game Notes

- skitter30 is V/LA on Friday's and Saturdays

[Tchill13]

Hectic pushed that d1 wagon all the way through. Unless I was gonna be the game winning ML I don't see him being scum with spam.

How are those two points related?
I pushed the day 1 wagon through so I can't be scum with spam?

Disregard this. Was thinking of a separate game. Apologies.

[Tchill13]

Well damn all 3 of you were on the D2 lynch.

Was thinking this could be a situation where 1 scum was on D1 lynch and the other on D2.

[Tchill13]

I'm off Wednesday. Will get to this then.

[Tchill13]

k I love Hectic's posting style. In all seriousness though, Reaper is playing really scummy. I would posit exactly one scum between him and Hectic. My bet is on tchill for the other, but I'll go iso azuresky too.

Why exactly one in us? Is that because you scumread both of us, or because you scumread Reaper and town____ me?

Because I think it's likely that you two are TvS, I just haven't decided which is which yet.

VC 1.7

IC, if we kill you can we still ask for help? >_>

ReaperOfSouls (5) -

rosterfoster, Hectic, NotMySpamAccount, Elements, Azuresky

HAMMER!

Elements (2) -

AaronFrost, skitter30

rosterfoster (1) -

ReaperOfSouls

Not Voting (1) -

Tchill13

With

9

alive, it takes

5

to hammer.
Day 1 ends in

(expired on 2019-09-17 11:00:00)

Game Notes

- skitter30 is V/LA on Fridays and Saturdays

ReaperOfSouls was lynched! He was a

Vanilla Townie

.

Spoiler: Role PM

VT

You are a

Vanilla Townie!

You possess no special abilities other than your voice and your vote!

You win when all threats to the town are eliminated, and at least one townie is still alive.

Night 1 ends (expired on 2019-09-09 09:00:00). Please submit any night actions by then!

VOTE: Hectic

k, I took a step back from the game and reread everything from a neutral pov. My reads have totally shifted, and I like Hectc for town now. I actually think Elements is scum. I don't want to hammer early, so I'll just UNVOTE: , but

intent on Elements 24h or so after the replacement shows up

Pedit: perfect timing lol

Everyone who's voting me, when I flip town who are do you think is scum?

Probably Hectic, maybe with Tchill or roster? It's tough to find a good team that doesn't have you tbh

this is pretty nice. He stays true to his reaper/hectic TvS read but suddenly has a change of mind? Then immediately states Hectic or Tchill is the next push if elements flips town.

This would make sense as to why me and hectic weren't the nk. Hectic has obviously tried to control the game the most, if town makes sense to be killed here unless he's being setup for the ML. Of course scum like to have options in lylo. There wasn't much reason to kill me I'll admit. That said a hectic NK limits spams options and proves his TvS read on Reaper/Hectic is wrong. The door is obviously still open here.

Because of my feelings that hectic was town to begin with, This makes me want to lock town hectic almost.

[Tchill13]

Well this isn't a fun lylo. At least and probably only 1 scum in {Hectic, Tchill}, and Aaron as the other probably. I'm Town Indecisive Doctor. I can't protect the same person 2 nights in a row. I'd rather not claim who I've protected for obvious reasons.

he's still pushing it here.

[Tchill13]

k, I took a step back from the game and reread everything from a neutral pov. My reads have totally shifted, and I like Hectc for town now. I actually think Elements is scum. I don't want to hammer early, so I'll just UNVOTE: , but

intent on Elements 24h or so after the replacement shows up

Pedit: perfect timing lol

Everyone who's voting me, when I flip town who are do you think is scum?

Probably Hectic, maybe with Tchill or roster? It's tough to find a good team that doesn't have you tbh

Everyone who's voting me, when I flip town who are do you think is scum?

Probably Hectic, maybe with Tchill or roster? It's tough to find a good team that doesn't have you tbh

Are there "good" teams that do have me?
Now you're against me there is literally zero opposition to my wagon. None at all. Does that not strike you as odd. As it stands I think the point of the night kill was to mislynch me, if I was scum that means the night kill was for the express purpose of bussing me.

Yes, I can see you as scum with roster or Tchill much more easily than I could see them w/ Hectic.

VOTE: Hectic

Give some explanation before I join you?

Gladly:

If Reaper flips town here:
Scum!Azure is hammering him before his replacement can come in to townspew and save this miserable train wreck of a slot.
That or she's playing as REAL fucking bad town.
Like town that doesn't deserve to be called town, or even a village.
More like a slum.

and

I'm thinking hectic might be scum from the night kill. It's obviously just for confution, and that's a very hectic thing to do. (No pun intended)

The nk is a crazy move, but that post makes it look even worse.

Talking about your second point.
Why is this "a very hectic thing to do" for you? Have I played with you before, what makes you think I in particular would make that kind of fucking ridiculous play?

Hey Spam, answer this.

From your play this game, I'd guess you're a fairly unpredictable player.

But one could argue I was that counterwagon until Spam saw some fucking sense earlier.

Counter wagon of 2? With no interest from anyone else? I don't think so you tumble dryer.

This is a micro, you were at L-2.

@Spam:
That's unfortunate, but as long no one fucking hammers early today, it should be all good.
So it doesn't specify you can't self-heal in your role PM?

Why Elements?

I thought elements was town. I only changed my mind when Ivthoight he was pocketibg me.

I was scum most likely scum WITH elements but I was also probably scum WITHOUT elements.

Hectic vs Flip was supposed to be TvS. He's kept the door open there as well.

It makes sense to drag me to lylo due to my low post count BUT he got caught in a fake claim.

Spam claims protective then pushes Me or hectic, whichever gives him the win.

his explanation of his flip on hectic and elements was that he was paranoid elements was pocketing him. What a joke of an excuse.

[Tchill13]

I'm about 10 posts into Aaron's iso rn, and honestly, it's sounding more like newish town than scum. I'm not sure what prompted my original sr there, but I'm starting to lean a bit more town. Also, with skitter claiming vt, that puts her solidly back in the scumpool.

Yeah I'm not sure what prompted my sr other than maybe subconcious omgus. His iso is actually pretty good. skitter, you're in the hot seat now.

hands a TR for aaron and cant explain his past SR there.

looks to push skitter/tchill here. I believe he's pandering to aaron here. Which means aaron is either town or he's giving an excuse to TR his scum mate (too weak of an excuse imo for me to be comfortable with thinking aaron is his mate)

[Tchill13]

My playstyle's been in flux over the the past month or so
(Like i can point to a towngame that just finished where i did ... exactly what you're calling me out on)

You're basically making an (inaccurate) holistic playstyle argument, and not explaining what i've done here, in this game, that's scummy

One big difference is that that game had a whole lot more content from you. Your posts weren't just simple comments, but actually advancing the gamestate substantially. I don't see that here, and I'd invite anyone else to go look at that link and see if they agree with me. Simply, BOP says you should have contributed a

lot

more to the game than you have.

ok so Spam wasn't too active.

all of a sudden spam is hammering home a skitter SR and hasn't even mentioned a skitter SR before lylo.

I still cant tell what to make of this. If he's pandering to !town aaron and i think hectic is town then I have to believe this is a bus. Which is possible given spam's fake claim didn't work and he's in panic mode.

Pander to hectic and Aaron. Push skitter/tchill

if he can make enough sense of this team he has the 2 votes for the tchill mislynch.

this is really his only avenue of play IF his teammate is skitter because my claim is more believable than his claim straight up. This is backed up by what has been said of the 2 claims in game.

[Tchill13]

and really the only thing that makes me think its a bus...

the pandering to hectic/aaron AND the fact that spam is pushing Skitter for... Being too good as town to let this game state happen lol.

what a weak case.

[Tchill13]

Wait what the heck am I doing. I'm casing skitter, when I know tchill is scum. I should be casing him instead to make people vote conf!scum.

That's my point. He was putting so much effort into pushing scum!skitter and now he's all of a sudden dropping it.

yeah, because I should focus on getting people to vote conf!scum, not someone who I'm pretty sure is scum but not certain. I can prevent the loss today by getting tchill lynched, but lynching skit could concievably end it today if I'm wrong. Therefore, it's objectively better for town if I go after tchill today (since it's only going to be me or him)

see, spam has planted the seed for skitter/tchill.

Just has to hammer away at tchill now.

[Tchill13]

So you think it's skitter/spam? I can see that.

Could be.

Alternate theory is that

Spam's trying to push a mislynch to skitter for if/when we enter D4 LyLo

. I will say I'm feeling slightly less confident that skitter is town but I need to ISO her.

The only way for me to push a ml is if I'm scum, but if I'm scum the nthe only way you reach d4lylo is if I get lynched. I can't push a ml if I'm dead. Therefore, the bolded is impossible regardless of my alignment.

heres why pushing skitter is perfect

when spam is lynched today thats all distancing from skitter. He'll hope skitter can pull one out due to it.

[Tchill13]

2 wagons at L-1 before page 8. Doesn't surprise me that neither has went through, I highly doubt this one does. Other than frost azure can't pinpoint a reason for any vote. Can't really look too much into RVS votes imo, I mean I don't think either wagon has had good reason tbh because reapers and azures blew up for little to no reason.

OK so I'm 2 shot doc and here's my crumb. First letter of every sentence is "2DOC" as in 2 shot doc. So NotMySpamAccount is scum.

I targeted hectic n1 and Aaron n2.

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

i actually spotted this at the time ^

i was kinda suspicious of tchill for parts of the game (in particular he felt partner-y with elements), but i never really went hard after him because this was in the back of my mind and if he *was* a doc i didn't want to force him to out unnecessarily

also i think that 2shot doc kinda fits better with 3shot rb than indecisive doc; it feels more ~symmetric~ if that makes sense

first mention of spam from skitter I believe.

also, if the plan is for spam to bus skitter.

the distancing would be maximized if skitter SR'd spam.

Tchill lynch wins them the game.

Spam lynch needs to get max town points for skitter.

thats how they're viewing this.

[Tchill13]

meh tchill is kinda scummy

i think azure has a townie-ish reaction to getting wagoned (specifically 141 and 144)

As long as you've dismissed it lol. Sorry. Of the 2 who do you think is the more likely to be scum? I'd say skitter. Seemed fence sitty d1.

oh, *do* tell

well that kinda makes a tchill/elements team more likely, i think

i don't remeber if i said this but i think tchill/elements could be a thing

2 wagons at L-1 before page 8. Doesn't surprise me that neither has went through, I highly doubt this one does. Other than frost azure can't pinpoint a reason for any vote. Can't really look too much into RVS votes imo, I mean I don't think either wagon has had good reason tbh because reapers and azures blew up for little to no reason.

OK so I'm 2 shot doc and here's my crumb. First letter of every sentence is "2DOC" as in 2 shot doc. So NotMySpamAccount is scum.

I targeted hectic n1 and Aaron n2.

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

i actually spotted this at the time ^

i was kinda suspicious of tchill for parts of the game (in particular he felt partner-y with elements), but i never really went hard after him because this was in the back of my mind and if he *was* a doc i didn't want to force him to out unnecessarily

also i think that 2shot doc kinda fits better with 3shot rb than indecisive doc; it feels more ~symmetric~ if that makes sense

thats skitters first mention of !town Tchill. Skitter has SR'd me the whole game (and hasn't done much about it which lines up with the save hectic/tchill for lylo thought process)

This makes sense because she's bussing spam and the only TR reason for skitter is my claim. Nothing else.

[Tchill13]

OK mass claim time.

I'm vt. I think hectic is next then NotMySpamAccount.

Why the fuck did you claim VT here?

At least this confirms there's one scum between Tchill and Spam.
I agree that Aaron is likely the second.

i think ur more likely scum than aaron

Yeah he should reveal his Night 1 target since I assume he can target him again tonight if he wanted.

Assuming town!Spam though, wouldn't it not matter since scum would just kill the doc anyways?

if we lynch correctly in the pair today i think scum just nk the other tonight; they'd be our closest thing to conftown

doc role pms usually don't specifiy that they can't self-target, at least in my experience

i still think tchill's is real, and that we should be lynching spam today

aaron i think is the other townie

i think scum is most likely spam/hectic

lynch spam

nk tchill

lynch hectic win the game. What are the odds skitter thinks its hectic/spam? hectic is obviously been the main ML plan in lylo. spam/hectic doesn't even make sense.

this is the game plan.

[Tchill13]

@skitter: Why am I scum over Aaron? Like give specifics.

You pushed both the mislynches + aaron is just obvtown

@skitter: 486

Haven't actually bothered ISOing Aaron/rereading the game yet.

Also his lack of a stance on Tchill/Spam after their claims until I really had to fucking push him to give some opinions on it.
Though the opinions he finally did give were good.

Idk
I can understand wanting to take some time to sort out the pr mess

From my pov there's one scum in tchill/spam and one in you/aaron and between the two of you aaron is about 45 times townier

Hectic that's the kind of post i dont much like ^

hectic i know this is going to be a while since you've gone vla but when you get back, i need you to show me why you're town

if we get it right today given the current gamestate i'm probably going to be holding hammer tomorrow so if you're town you need to explain to me why i should be voting aaron over you

pushes hectic. Cant give a good reason to SR hectic or TR aaron.

claims THEIR vote is gonna be the deciding factor in lylo.

[Tchill13]

Spam is pushing skitter pretty hard though.

lmao no he isn't
he wanted to and started to but realized he couldn't and reversed course

So you think it's skitter/spam? I can see that.

yep, this is totally a thing, good job

LMAO THIS IS HILARIOUS.

[Tchill13]

There's a part of me that feels like skitter may have been appealing to me this entire game. We've had similar stances on a lot of things (disliking the Reaper wagon for instance) and she's been saying how 'obvtown' I am the entire game.

because you've been p townie and it's important to work with your townreads, esp in lylo

why is aaron town?

because he's towny....thats it.

[Tchill13]

i mean the fact that your pushes have been awful is a preetty central part to the read
and i'm pretty sure aaron is town like i've said so ...

not one great reason for town aaron but it's important to pander to aaron since skittr will need aaron's vote in lylo IF we get there.

and they'll need aarons vote today if they're gonna win because they've obviously decided to dig their trench in tchill/hectic.

spam pushes tchill while skitter pushes spam.

If i die game over.

if spam dies im nk'd then aaron has to vote hectic in lylo.

very important skitter TR's aaron, but she cant give specifics why.

[Tchill13]

im sorry spam/hectic.

thats the team skitter would have to push to pander to aaron since i'll be the nk.

[Tchill13]

spam was even in that one
idk how he can seriously think i'm scum here

Well, yeah, my tone's vastly different from that game, Aaron.
That's fucking intentional lol
Are you actually unsure about it being different?

Found some interesting stuff in that game, skitter. Link me the most recent one where you were town and got mislynched in LyLo.

i mean ... so what i should be doing with teh fact that your tone is weird here ... ?

why is your tone different?

also i've been in like at least 8 or 9 lylos since that game i think (i haven't counted them out but like .... many)

I planned on only ISO'ing Spam.

that said I DO think it's important to have a good idea of the scum team in lylo.

ik this situation is different given that I KNOW spam is scum but i actually think Spam/skitter is obvious.

the claim backfires, spam panders to BOTH hectic and aaron on a tchill/skitter scum team since My claim is much more believable than Spams straight up. Now Spam MUST push a team here to get one of the townies to vote tchill. It's his only chance so he panders to BOTH available townies by pushing his scum mate.

not only does this let him work on BOTH available townies but he also distances from skitter if his flip was to happen anyway. Skitter then TR's me for the first time and SR's... Well mentions Spam for the first time. Cant come up with solid reasons why aaron is town. quotes a few d1/d2 posts on pst #775 (it was already established skit had no substantial reason to TR aaron) but it's important skitter TR's aaron so Aaron works with her in the next day phase once spam is lynched today and im nk'd this night phase.

[Tchill13]

In conclusion:

Spam says reaper/hectic is TvS. Flip is town. Hectic is in lylo.

Spam says tchill is likely scum with or without elements. Lynches elements. Explains the elements SR as "I was scared he was pocketing me"

Spam pushes tchill/skitter momentarily because my claim is stronger and he's pandering to BOTH other townies in hopes one votes me due to the tchill/skitter concept.

hectic/tchill are in lylo

Skitter's first mention of spam is the SR in LYLO while she suddenly TR's me (has distantly FOS'd me the entire game, which lines up with keeping me in the game till lylo)

skitter never explains why Aaron is town. Just that he is. Needs aaron to either vote tchill today or vote hectic tomorrow.

Skitter all of a sudden pushes spam to maximize townie points after spams eventual scum flip while pandering to aaron so they vote hectic next day phase and scum wins then.

I have REALLY good reasoning to believe !Town hectic.

I'm pretty confident aaron is town now after seeing the connection between spam/skitter.

[Tchill13]

I'm about 10 posts into Aaron's iso rn, and honestly, it's sounding more like newish town than scum. I'm not sure what prompted my original sr there, but I'm starting to lean a bit more town. Also, with skitter claiming vt, that puts her solidly back in the scumpool.

Yeah I'm not sure what prompted my sr other than maybe subconcious omgus. His iso is actually pretty good. skitter, you're in the hot seat now.

hands a TR for aaron and cant explain his past SR there.

looks to push skitter/tchill here. I believe he's pandering to aaron here. Which means aaron is either town or he's giving an excuse to TR his scum mate (too weak of an excuse imo for me to be comfortable with thinking aaron is his mate)

i mean the fact that your pushes have been awful is a preetty central part to the read
and i'm pretty sure aaron is town like i've said so ...

....neither can explain their aaron tr lol.

[Tchill13]

welp, I may as well give up. I'm town, but there's no way I avoid the lynch today. gg scum.

you messed up when you called me scum with or without elements. Then gave a weak reason for you sr of elements.

then didnt provide a reason of your tr on aaron.

and the claim of course.

Had you AND Skitter both provided solid TR reasoning on aaron I'd still be debating on aaron/skitter scum.

It's spam/skitter

[Tchill13]

skitter did give some reasons for TRing me, but only after I prompted her too and it felt very half-assed. This is when I started to think that skitter might be pandering to me this entire game.

Not gonna lie, I'm liking a lot of what Tchill is selling here.

I think hectic being town here is solid and makes a lot of sense.

I'm gonna need you to vote skitter tomorrow. I'll be conftown so im dead tonight.

DO NOT vote hectic.

[Tchill13]

[Tchill13]

azure was the nk because skitter and i figured out she was a pr and the d1 wagon was all town.

[Tchill13]

I don't see this flipping scum tbh. If it flips town, then at least one of the last three on the wagon {Spam, Elements, Azure} are probably scum.

God I hope I get killed tonight.

Put me out of my misery

Night WIFOM is my specialty.

this gave away that azure was a PR imo.

[Tchill13]

Elements and Hectic's debacle plus spam actually being a protective was all pretty nice. We got lucky on that stuff. I've never fake claimed with a crumb. I'm glad skitter let me try it lol.

[Tchill13]

I liked elements d2 (other than the hammer), hectics game theory (the persona in itself is gonna cause division which is why i wanted you in lylo), and azures d1 play (actually seems like a decent player when lvl headed).

but basically town lost this game. Which is a shame because I was excited about fake claiming for the 1st time lol. Also the 1st time I went out of my way to not blow up the thread as scum. I really wish I could have seen hectics in game reaction to my skitter/spam case. Was a bit disappointing when spam gave up lol. I was ready for a fight haha.