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hey all!

@saladman

i am regularly v/la on fridays and saturdays

VOTE: azuresky

elements, why the selfvote ?

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oh dear

is that like .... a serious post ? are you usually so over the top ... ?

pedit @hectic

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also that's l-1

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elements have you played with hectic before? does he usually post like that ?

thoughts on roster?

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oh dear

is that like .... a serious post ? are you usually so over the top ... ?

pedit @hectic

also that's l-1

UNVOTE:

did u realize u were making hte l-1 post ?

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actually i think he's saying he comes from a site that uses plurality voting and he forgot about the hammering thing, if i'm reading that right

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VOTE: roster

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some varient of 'person with most votes at deadline gets lynched'

i.e. as opposed to 'person who hits the lynch threshhold before deadline first gets lynched'

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VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

Let's walk this road.

VOTE: reaper of souls

I enjoyed the tenacity hectic went at elements with though lol.

y tho

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You realize i wasnt on wagon when i said it was l-1, right?

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Reaper's fine.
I dont really like roster or azure rn

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Means you didn't really mean it when you put him at L-1. Had someone LOL lynched you would have been fine with it but now that you have an opportunity to show you care about the lynch you're making sure other people notice.

A) i dont think he realized he was the l-1 vote
B) i think he's used to plurality voting

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Tchill is town.

Skitter is probably town also tbh.

47 is exactly why I voted reaper fyi

Y am i townie?

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Hectic is kinda funny

Amd kinda townie, i think

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Elements i feel like ur searching for a wagon

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Elements i feel like ur searching for a wagon

We should probably start another wagon. Reaper or Hectic?

I don't know where you got that idea from

Y are u doing this tho ?

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I'm not really feeling the reaper wagon rn

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skitter is the only one with in game experience with me. Not much but like I said the only one. There are only 2 reasons which they are ok with me. The experience with or TMI. Since I am tl ing them I will go with the former.

I dont really remenber my experience with u

It's more that i dont like tge reasons ur currently getting pushed for

What do u think of roster?

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skitter is the only one with in game experience with me. Not much but like I said the only one. There are only 2 reasons which they are ok with me. The experience with or TMI. Since I am tl ing them I will go with the former.

I dont really remenber my experience with u

It's more that i dont like tge reasons ur currently getting pushed for

What do u think of roster?

It has been awhile. Don't even remember which game/s it was. Not important atp.

ISOed him and there isn't alot there. Opportunistic votes and little content.

Can i interest u in voting there with me ?

I think aaron is townie

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I really dont get the reaper wagon

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I'm not voting Reaper for his spot on the wagon. There's only 9 people in this game, i doubt he know elements was L-1. His vote still looks bad regardless.

why are you voting reaper then ?

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meh tchill is kinda scummy

i think azure has a townie-ish reaction to getting wagoned (specifically 141 and 144)

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elements are you usually this antagonistic?

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Elements i feel like ur searching for a wagon

We should probably start another wagon. Reaper or Hectic?

I don't know where you got that idea from

Y are u doing this tho ?

also did u answer this ?

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elements are you usually this antagonistic?

I feel like this is just his style. Probably bumps heads with a lot of people. He's also made it abundantly clear he's OK with an azure lynch this early.

I'm asking cuz the last time i played with (town!)him he felt very different and much more chilled out and less like actively going after things

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I'll place my vote on someone who I think has a decent chance of being scum

VOTE: Azuresky

Also the only reason I see frost voting azure is a reaction test. So that's actual reason?....and it's OK as long as you loudly proclaim that's the reason right?

It's p apparent that this isnt the only reason he's voting him

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What did you see in my ISO that screams scum? Or are you just blindly following aaron?

At no point have I said I think you are scum.

That means I believe you know who is scum and who is town.
That means your reads will be manufactured because you KNOW who is town and who is scum.

Ah, I missed this part in your logic. Now it makes sense.

elements are you usually this antagonistic?

Good question. My game style has changed a lot I think in my last few games. I haven't claimed SK yet so Hectic will be relieved.

Spoiler:

Elements i feel like ur searching for a wagon

We should probably start another wagon. Reaper or Hectic?

I don't know where you got that idea from

Y are u doing this tho ?

also did u answer this ?
Because I'm a sarcastic person.

See you all Thursday evening!

I hate like this entire post

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Something weird happened with the quotes there ^

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Idk, it looks like u put a quote in a quote and screwed up the the quote tags, so when i quoted it something funky happened

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Idk, it looks like u put a quote in a quote and screwed up the the quote tags, so when i quoted it something funky happened

I would definitely have replied with this, but my why was pertaining to the post about disliking the whole of my post.

I know, i was making a point - this is exactly how you're responding to questions and it's:

A) annoying
B) really hard to get straight answers out of you

That's why i didnt like that post

Also i was thinking of ep's search mafia, i'm not sure if i've played other games with u

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The search, as you'll agree was not a stereotypical game. My only scum game is the themed undertale can't by popsofctown if you want to check that out. I'd link it but I'm on my phone.

i know but it's the only game that i have a reference for that i was in so

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Now did elements remove his vote because skitter started leaning scum on him? Or was it something else?

I unvoted to prevent roster from lolhammering

uhhhhh didn't he explicitly say he *wasn't* going to lolhammer ?

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skitter, if you were trying to hook me in with these statements of yours, you've fucking succeeded.
Unfortunately, I'm no cryptographer, so although I've tried my fucking best to decrypt the meaning behind why you like reaper, I really just don't get it.
Lend me a hand?

the reasons people are giving to wagon him are bad ( i think it's p apparent he comes from a site with different voting mechanisms and that's what tripped him up), and his wagon grew kinda fast for sketchy reasons and now i'm suspicious of it

also he had a post that i liked earlier

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VOTE: elements

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Reaper townslipped. Elements is scum.

How dod he townslip

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The search, as you'll agree was not a stereotypical game. My only scum game is the themed undertale can't by popsofctown if you want to check that out. I'd link it but I'm on my phone.

i know but it's the only game that i have a reference for that i was in so

Newbie 1915:Africa by nsg

Right, i forgot about that one

What do u think of the wagon on you?

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Why did this game stall ... ?

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vla for a couple of days

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Well that was a bizarre nk

There's almost for sure scum on (the back half of) that wagon

VOTE: elements

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Especially Aaron's post. Is basically telling scum "we're most likely going to lynch inside these three tomorrow" then Azure dies. To me that looks like scum trying to cause confusion off the night kill and push a mislynch on NMSA or me. Most likely me given azurs's reads.

i mean ... do you really think that a quickhammer that went down like that didn't have scum involvement? especially in the latter half?

when's the last time you saw an all-town wagon happen like that?

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1 - Aaron/Skitter scum team. Aaron setting up the mislynch set at the end of the last day then they killed azure in the night for added confusion. Now they start pushing on one of the others in Aaron's set (me). The only problem I have is that skitter is an expereienced player and I can't imagine them being so brazen with their first post.

i could be brazen like that, if i was feeling confident enough

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Looking though the voting I'm favouring my second theory and don't think I'm liking Hectic or roster at this point. They both parked their votes early on. roster is also the epitome of lurking. His 12 posts contain less fact than a chocolate frog card.
VOTE: roster

again, what's with the vote hopping ?

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VOTE: Hectic

y do u think hectic was responsible for it ?

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aaron is still townie

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As long as you've dismissed it lol. Sorry. Of the 2 who do you think is the more likely to be scum? I'd say skitter. Seemed fence sitty d1.

oh, *do* tell

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If Reaper flips town here:
Scum!Azure is hammering him before his replacement can come in to townspew and save this miserable train wreck of a slot.
That or she's playing as REAL fucking bad town.
Like town that doesn't deserve to be called town, or even a village.
More like a slum.

@nmsa i don't get it, why does this post implicate hectic in the nk; this post to me looks to me more like he might be setting up an azure mislynch after a reaper townflip; seems kinda silly to nk her if that's the case

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well that kinda makes a tchill/elements team more likely, i think

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As long as you've dismissed it lol. Sorry. Of the 2 who do you think is the more likely to be scum? I'd say skitter. Seemed fence sitty d1.

oh, *do* tell

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I can unvote

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If Reaper flips town here:
Scum!Azure is hammering him before his replacement can come in to townspew and save this miserable train wreck of a slot.
That or she's playing as REAL fucking bad town.
Like town that doesn't deserve to be called town, or even a village.
More like a slum.

@nmsa i don't get it, why does this post implicate hectic in the nk; this post to me looks to me more like he might be setting up an azure mislynch after a reaper townflip; seems kinda silly to nk her if that's the case

You and Hectic bot hmissed the point. Killing Azu was a stupid move, because Azu was an easy ml. And Yet It Happened. Scum!Hectic posts this to make it look like an Azu kill wouldn't come from him.

but like he recognizes azu is an easy mislynch ... so why doesn't he just aim to do that today instead of this wifom- stuff?

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It honestly feels like an attempt to look busy without actually doing anything.

I'm an impulse poster

r u like ignoring me or ... ?

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I feel like the scum team might be Hectic/roster. I'd rather lynch roster because then we are 100% getting rid of an anti-town player.

i mean ... it seems like he's flaking. i'd rather we just get a replacement than lynch the slot

why are you prioritizing lynching an absent player?

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I'm not so sure about the everyone's thoughts that there was scum in the last three of the wagon. Hectic and roster had their votes parked on her for the majority of the - albeit short - day, and most of Hectic's posts are him saying roster is scummy and so pushing for her lynch.

again, how often have you seen wagons go down like that only has town voting in the back half ... ?

ngl this kinda feels like you're trying to redirect attention off of those voters

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ebwop: in the back *fast* half of the wagon that happened in like half an hour

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i don't remeber if i said this but i think tchill/elements could be a thing

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Skitter, you think I'm scum, in what world do I think Azure is the optimal night kill?

the one where they've been calling out a scumread on you

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why has this game kinda died ....

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Sweet. Keep it coming ppl.

skit's on weekend v/la, so we won't get a claim soon

i'm vt

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2 wagons at L-1 before page 8. Doesn't surprise me that neither has went through, I highly doubt this one does. Other than frost azure can't pinpoint a reason for any vote. Can't really look too much into RVS votes imo, I mean I don't think either wagon has had good reason tbh because reapers and azures blew up for little to no reason.

OK so I'm 2 shot doc and here's my crumb. First letter of every sentence is "2DOC" as in 2 shot doc. So NotMySpamAccount is scum.

I targeted hectic n1 and Aaron n2.

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

i actually spotted this at the time ^

i was kinda suspicious of tchill for parts of the game (in particular he felt partner-y with elements), but i never really went hard after him because this was in the back of my mind and if he *was* a doc i didn't want to force him to out unnecessarily

also i think that 2shot doc kinda fits better with 3shot rb than indecisive doc; it feels more ~symmetric~ if that makes sense

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Of course, this is the game I forget to crumb my pr, so this'll be a fun 1v1.

i kinda feel like you waited until it was kinda ~safe~ to claim pr since nearly everyone else had claimed vt; and werne't really expecting any sort of cc

and now that there is one you're in a bit of a pickle

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OK mass claim time.

I'm vt. I think hectic is next then NotMySpamAccount.

Why the fuck did you claim VT here?

At least this confirms there's one scum between Tchill and Spam.
I agree that Aaron is likely the second.

i think ur more likely scum than aaron

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Idk, if town!Spam does come out alive of this 1v1, we lose a whole lot of fucking utility in the night.

I think the payoff for hearing his night targets isn't worth the potential payoff of town!him blocking a kill.
Not right now anyway. If we're set on lynching him, we ask him then to see if his targets and reasoning changes our reads on him.

there's no reason for him not to claim his n1 target

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Yeah he should reveal his Night 1 target since I assume he can target him again tonight if he wanted.

Assuming town!Spam though, wouldn't it not matter since scum would just kill the doc anyways?

if we lynch correctly in the pair today i think scum just nk the other tonight; they'd be our closest thing to conftown

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doc role pms usually don't specifiy that they can't self-target, at least in my experience

i still think tchill's is real, and that we should be lynching spam today

aaron i think is the other townie

i think scum is most likely spam/hectic

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before that, like when you posted it
that's why i was more interested in elements than you

also it's a little icky to bring irl into the game; i believe spam when he says he has vla and we don't have to bring that into his scumminess/towniness imo

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like you were being scummy and partner-y with elements but i had seen the crumb so i figured that if you/elements was a thing it'd make more sense to start with elements just in case

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and i can't like ignore scumminess altogether because i saw a crumb but like i can try not to lol-force a pr to claim when there are other scummy people i could be pushing instead

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2 wagons at L-1 before page 8. Doesn't surprise me that neither has went through, I highly doubt this one does. Other than frost azure can't pinpoint a reason for any vote. Can't really look too much into RVS votes imo, I mean I don't think either wagon has had good reason tbh because reapers and azures blew up for little to no reason.

OK so I'm 2 shot doc and here's my crumb. First letter of every sentence is "2DOC" as in 2 shot doc. So NotMySpamAccount is scum.

I targeted hectic n1 and Aaron n2.

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount

i actually spotted this at the time ^

i was kinda suspicious of tchill for parts of the game (in particular he felt partner-y with elements), but i never really went hard after him because this was in the back of my mind and if he *was* a doc i didn't want to force him to out unnecessarily

also i think that 2shot doc kinda fits better with 3shot rb than indecisive doc; it feels more ~symmetric~ if that makes sense

It's also an easier fakeclaim. If skit is telling the truth about vt, then the second pr ought to be more powerful. Indecisive doc is, so that's points for mine.

Pedit no, ms standard is that docs can't self heal, so that's never in role pms.

I think yours is slightly more powerful, but i think azure was meant to be the invest (at least, once one scum dies they are) - like thid is basically a modified jk setup, i think, with town having limited ability to protect the rb

Scum probably have a minor invest of some sort, like shot-limited rolecop or something

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@skitter: Why am I scum over Aaron? Like give specifics.

You pushed both the mislynches + aaron is just obvtown

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@skitter: Why am I scum over Aaron? Like give specifics.

You pushed both the mislynches + aaron is just obvtown

Why is Aaron fucking Frost obvtown?

It's just been, well, obvious for most of the game

He's arguing in good faith, he's reconsidering things when he ought to, his thoughts are internally consistent, he's been making astute observations

What do u think is scummy exactly ?

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@skitter: 486

Haven't actually bothered ISOing Aaron/rereading the game yet.

Also his lack of a stance on Tchill/Spam after their claims until I really had to fucking push him to give some opinions on it.
Though the opinions he finally did give were good.

Idk
I can understand wanting to take some time to sort out the pr mess

From my pov there's one scum in tchill/spam and one in you/aaron and between the two of you aaron is about 45 times townier

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Aaron which of the two do u think it is?

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Well i meant tchill/spam but you might as well answer both

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Hectic that's the kind of post i dont much like ^

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so this is fun

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hectic i know this is going to be a while since you've gone vla but when you get back, i need you to show me why you're town

if we get it right today given the current gamestate i'm probably going to be holding hammer tomorrow so if you're town you need to explain to me why i should be voting aaron over you

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I really don't fucking like you setting this narrative of Aaron vs me tomorrow with you as the deciding vote.

I'm actually really unsure on you and Aaron right now. Aaron has improved the last couple of irl days.

Hectic if it wasnt lylo with another 1v1 we need to sort i'd prob be voting you rn

How has aaron improved?

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I actually agree with Hectic on this one. That statement seems to imply that you're conf!town which is far from the case. Just because we're both townreading you doesn't make you conf!town.

This might just be paranoia speaking but now I'm feeling like it could be skitter. Hectic is still my stronger scumread, but I haven't ruled out scum!skitter either. It's not gonna matter if we mislynch today though.

Nope, not conftown by any means, just reading the gamestate and recognizing a pattern i've seen many times before

I hope spam comes back soon, 1v1s are kinda boring while we wait for one of the primary members to get off vla

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Yeah I'm not sure what prompted my sr other than maybe subconcious omgus. His iso is actually pretty good. skitter, you're in the hot seat now.

do tell

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Yeah I'm not sure what prompted my sr other than maybe subconcious omgus. His iso is actually pretty good. skitter, you're in the hot seat now.

do tell

Your posts haven't been great today. If you want me to do a detailed iso of you, just say the word.

Do tell

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I still think it's spam/hectic

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My playstyle's been in flux over the the past month or so
(Like i can point to a towngame that just finished where i did ... exactly what you're calling me out on)

You're basically making an (inaccurate) holistic playstyle argument, and not explaining what i've done here, in this game, that's scummy

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=80701
^ have fun

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I mean i got a nice amount of flak for not doing anything that game (esp. later game) and for posting things and not explaining my reasoning, but sure

(Like i can point to multiple people saying these things there)

And i disagree that i havent been advancing the gamestate, but sure

And pointing out again that you cant actually point to scummy stuff i did *here*; it feels like you're trying to sell scum!me and the best argument you have is appeal to bop because there isnt really much else you can actually push me on

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And pointing out again that you cant actually point to scummy stuff i did *here*; it feels like you're trying to sell scum!me and the best argument you have is appeal to bop because there isnt really much else you can actually push me on

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i mean, yes, you ought to be focusing on tchill from your pov given that we're not lynching out of the two of you today

And pointing out again that you cant actually point to scummy stuff i did *here*; it feels like you're trying to sell scum!me and the best argument you have is appeal to bop because there isnt really much else you can actually push me on

but again ^

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Spam is pushing skitter pretty hard though.

lmao no he isn't
he wanted to and started to but realized he couldn't and reversed course

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That's my point. He was putting so much effort into pushing scum!skitter and now he's all of a sudden dropping it.

yeah, because I should focus on getting people to vote conf!scum, not someone who I'm pretty sure is scum but not certain. I can prevent the loss today by getting tchill lynched, but lynching skit could concievably end it today if I'm wrong. Therefore, it's objectively better for town if I go after tchill today (since it's only going to be me or him)

i'm not sure why it took you so long to recognize the obvious

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So you think it's skitter/spam? I can see that.

yep, this is totally a thing, good job

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So you think it's skitter/spam? I can see that.

Could be.

Alternate theory is that Spam's trying to push a mislynch to skitter for if/when we enter D4 LyLo. I will say I'm feeling slightly less confident that skitter is town but I need to ISO her.

ok i'm p sure you're town here so let me know if there's anything you want me to answer

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i'm p sure it's you/spam

and *do* tell why you're scumreading me

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You realize most of what you're highlighting is personality/posting-style indicative, and not scum-indicative, right ?

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Want some specific examples on why Aaron is town, Skitter.

When i'm at a pc in like an hour

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So you think it's skitter/spam? I can see that.

yep, this is totally a thing, good job

This I find scummy as well.
Can't articulate it too well but it's just a useless kind of post I think town is less likely to make.
No reason given to why he's wrong, just some pointless sarcasm.

I post like this when i think someone's said something incredibly dumb, and i am happy to provide you with many examples

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Like it really took you that long to realise you should be trying to lynch the confirmed scum from your point of view?

Seriously

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I see that Hollow Knight claim btw, Aaron.
Fucking fantastic choice.

?
Idk what this means

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hectic i know this is going to be a while since you've gone vla but when you get back, i need you to show me why you're town

if we get it right today given the current gamestate i'm probably going to be holding hammer tomorrow so if you're town you need to explain to me why i should be voting aaron over you

skitter I'd like to know what prompted this post. Out of all the posts you made so far, this is the one I dislike the most.

I'd say I'm about 50/50 between Hectic and skitter right now.

because i feel like you're significantly more townier than him and if you're pulling the wool over me/hectic i wanted to get that sorted out

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Like it really took you that long to realise you should be trying to lynch the confirmed scum from your point of view?

Seriously

What does this mean? I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing with this statement.

agreeing with that statement, it shouldn't have been a revelation for spam to realize he needs to lynch tchill from his pov

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There's a part of me that feels like skitter may have been appealing to me this entire game. We've had similar stances on a lot of things (disliking the Reaper wagon for instance) and she's been saying how 'obvtown' I am the entire game.

because you've been p townie and it's important to work with your townreads, esp in lylo

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at that point both of you were townreading and i've been in enough p similar endagames to know how they usually play out - if we lynch right today the town in {spam/tchill} dies, and tomorrow it'll be you/me/hecitic

and usually the most townread person there holds hammer, and in my experience, that often tends to me (it wasn't me like .... twice i want to say? ever?) esp because i take forever to vote in lylo and usually other people vote before me and so i get conftowned by default

and so if we get it right today i wanted to be proactive about starting on trying to figure out tomorrow

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You realize most of what you're highlighting is personality/posting-style indicative, and not scum-indicative, right ?

Scum are more likely to do that.
Fine, I'll go through your previous completed town game to see.

i've linked my most recent completed towngame a few pages back already
it depends on how much effort i feel like having and in what kind of posting style phase i'm in

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spaaaaaaaaaaaaam

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he was online earlier but didn't post here

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like i said ...

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it's entirely a mood/posting style thing

i had a wallposting phase taht i'm mostly out of now

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You're saying that in most situations when you're in LyLo, the other two vote for each other?

yep

i've been voted in 3way exactly twice, and i was vla both times it happens (and the last time was like .... a year and a half ago)

i'm really fucking hard to mislynch, and i dont' lose lylos when i'm around and can argue things because i'm *good* at making myself obvtown

when i'm scum that's an entirely different story

also i take forever to vote and tend to rearead the whole game so usually people make up their mind well before i do

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i mean the fact that your pushes have been awful is a preetty central part to the read
and i'm pretty sure aaron is town like i've said so ...

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uh i wouldn't be posting in real time like this

i can't as scum, i tend to be very methodolical and over think things way too much, i get nervous posting in real time

like this convo wouldn't be happening if i were scum

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Fucking hell.
Well, I'm looking forward to this then.

yep
idk why scum let me get this far, it usually doesn't end well for them

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i know so i want to make sure i'm not missing anything about town!hectic, i like to do my due diligence before i vote

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i mean the fact that your pushes have been awful is a preetty central part to the read
and i'm pretty sure aaron is town like i've said so ...

Didn't you fucking agree with the Elements one?
And yeah, the Reaper one was shit, but I didn't want to lynch him at the time Azure hammered.
Despite my tone, I wasn't sure about him whatsoever and was pushing him to try and solve him.
Though his replacing out made me him a lot more fucking scummy.

So what are the non-central reasons of the read?

bad tone, overconfidence, dislike your reaction to the cc

be back in a few min; i'm cooking rn

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=80641
finished friday ^
was in 3way lylo
notice how i completely froze up

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spam was even in that one
idk how he can seriously think i'm scum here

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i mean the fact that your pushes have been awful is a preetty central part to the read
and i'm pretty sure aaron is town like i've said so ...

Didn't you fucking agree with the Elements one?
And yeah, the Reaper one was shit, but I didn't want to lynch him at the time Azure hammered.
Despite my tone, I wasn't sure about him whatsoever and was pushing him to try and solve him.
Though his replacing out made me him a lot more fucking scummy.

So what are the non-central reasons of the read?

bad tone, overconfidence, dislike your reaction to the cc

be back in a few min; i'm cooking rn

What's wrong with my tone?
What about my reaction do you dislike?

idk i'm bad at articulating why tone's bad, it just feels weird and wrong
it felt like you were hedging on spam/tchill

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hey someone who's actually played with you agrees with me

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*agrees with me on tone

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https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=76365
^ may (june?) 2018, like two posting style changes ago

lylo started on the last day of finals week and i hadn't slept in a week and i said wait like i day so i can sleep after finals and they lynched me before i could do anything

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Well, yeah, my tone's vastly different from that game, Aaron.
That's fucking intentional lol
Are you actually unsure about it being different?

Found some interesting stuff in that game, skitter. Link me the most recent one where you were town and got mislynched in LyLo.

i mean ... so what i should be doing with teh fact that your tone is weird here ... ?

why is your tone different?

also i've been in like at least 8 or 9 lylos since that game i think (i haven't counted them out but like .... many)

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You strike me as the kind of person who changes their playstyle from game to game on purpose to make yourself harder to read.

this is not at all a thing i do

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oh yeah i can see hectic doing that

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from what elements said + your first couple of posts of the game

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i think we did this like on wednesday

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or monday

like several irl days agao

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seriously

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Spoiler:

Elements why are you sheeping me?

So your solution is to quickhammer with 10+ days left on the deadline therefore giving us less time to generate helpful discussion?

So this pinged me straight away:

I don't see this flipping scum tbh. If it flips town, then at least one of the last three on the wagon {Spam, Elements, Azure} are probably scum.

There's almost for sure scum on (the back half of) that wagon
VOTE: elements

Especially Aaron's post. Is basically telling scum "we're most likely going to lynch inside these three tomorrow" then Azure dies. To me that looks like scum trying to cause confusion off the night kill and push a mislynch on NMSA or me. Most likely me given azurs's reads.

I have two current theories:

1 - Aaron/Skitter scum team. Aaron setting up the mislynch set at the end of the last day then they killed azure in the night for added confusion. Now they start pushing on one of the others in Aaron's set (me). The only problem I have is that skitter is an expereienced player and I can't imagine them being so brazen with their first post.

2 - We have absolutely no idea what's going on. Mafia are sitting back watching us tear ourselves apart. The night kill was purely to confuse us. This works due to the number of wagons that reached L-1 and the speed in which they did so. At most I think there would be 1 scum on any of those wagons. That said, I'm going to check back through the voting and have a look.

For now VOTE: Aaron
will change once I've looked at the voting

Couple problems with this theory of yours.

1) Why would I kill the easiest person to push for a mislynch? Almost everyone was set on scum!Azure by the end of the day (including you) and since I pushed her pretty early on in the day, it doesn't benefit me to kill her when it would've been almost too easy to convince everyone to lynch her today. Assuming scum!me and the three I mentioned at the end of the day are town, I'd probably kill either you or Spam to narrow that pool down even more allowing myself to push that mislynch further.

2) Where are you getting me/skitter from? Is it because both of us were against the Reaper lynch? Why would both scum partners be against a wagon on a townie?

Most likely me given azurs's reads.

Me being azure's strongest scum read

Twice I commented on me being Azure's strongest scum read thank you very much Hectic.

I'm not so sure about the everyone's thoughts that there was scum in the last three of the wagon. Hectic and roster had their votes parked on her for the majority of the - albeit short - day, and most of Hectic's posts are him saying roster is scummy and so pushing for her lynch.

3 posts in a row voting for Reaper, all within 20 minutes of each other, and you don't think there's scum in there? Or are you just saying that because you're scum?

I don't necessarily like the vote parking argument here because the day was so short. Hectic was scumreading Reaper throughout most of the day, but he was also scumreading Azure a fair amount as well. 278 seems like the kind of post scum would make to set up a potential mislynch but in order to do that, you need to actually, you know, keep her alive. Is WIFOM really the best reason you can come up with for why Azure was killed?

And now you're trying to push an inactive player for a lynch.

I'm currently voting Hectic

You started the day by voting for roster and he's one of your two scumreads currently

Skitter, you think I'm scum, in what world do I think Azure is the optimal night kill?

In what world is Azure the optimal night kill for anyone.

I'll use the same logic Tchill used against me earlier, anyone can easily say "I would never kill Azure, that would be a bad move for me."

these are some of the posts day1/day2 that were townie from aaron ^

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Now, that's really fucking interesting.
Skitter completely ignored my post here, makes me think I may be onto something.

no, i missed the post
yes, as town i recognize that you need to work with the other townies in lylo to win the game, and as scum i try to mimic things i think town!me would say so there are mannerisms that show up in both my town and scumgames

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i don't really have anything new to say

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oh wow there's only like 4 days left
i think most people have already chosen tbh

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VOTE: spam

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Gg

Thanks salad!

Yep we were pretty much coasting once everyone believed tchill's claim, i was kinda just bickering around with you guys knowing that eventually you or hectic would vote him

Whether or not you scumread me wasnt that important because i knew we were winning today

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Scum pt can be released!

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hectic i know this is going to be a while since you've gone vla but when you get back, i need you to show me why you're town

if we get it right today given the current gamestate i'm probably going to be holding hammer tomorrow so if you're town you need to explain to me why i should be voting aaron over you

And i was absolutely trying to make it seem like i'd obviously have hammer tomorrow but that didnt work out so well lol

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Seriously. I was scum here and the newbie and all i want to do is roll town

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Going into lylo against scum!skit unprepared is like having someone force feed you dull razor blades. It's painful, and once it starts, you're pretty much dead.

i might need to sig this

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Lol good kill I'd probably have lynched Tchill there

yeah ... i was p sure you'd rep in and look at this with fresh eyes and be like ... 'wtf are all of you doing' when the status quo was p much perfect for us

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Makes me feel a little better knowing that I was coming around to scum!skitter. That's about the only solace I have in this game lmao.

Yeah, I think we could've lynched correctly tomorrow, but didn't ultimately matter cause Tchill outplayed us.

PM an admin about Aaron Fucking Frost btw, who knows, they might make an exception and change it for you lol.

yeah but i was playing today knowing that there wasn't going to be tomorrow

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That's true... you could mess around at that point knowing it won't matter in the end.
Looking forward to seeing this obvtown ability town!you has in LyLo in a future game.

pretty much
i think i could have pulled it out tomorrow, if there was one tho

and yeah town lylo is stressful but fun, but i'm not in it as often anymore, i tend to get nk'd before that for the most part now

but maybe we'll play again together and it'll happen!