Magical Girls UPick - Heart of Shadow (Game Over)

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First
I hardclaim magical girl
VOTE: Hidden Happiness

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VOTE: RCEnigma
guess we've got ourselves a hard 1v1 on our hands

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VOTE: RCEnigma
guess we've got ourselves a hard 1v1 on our hands

Looks like I have the high ground.

You gonna be complacent about then when like three quarters of us can fly

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VOTE: Café Stile also want to see more images from Blend S (I think that's what that show was called?)

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VOTE: pops
Ig ill do that until Ephraim comes and magically solves the game

-Tana

I wanna talk game mechanics but I'll probably say something stupid that'll get auto-lynched.

I wanna talk game mechanics but I think this is actually that one quasi-open theme concept that you really actually can't break, as far as I can figure out.

If it's "breakable" I think it's from wise individual action, not from wise collective actions.

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No, the scum have a backup gauge, and they can manage their usage of the backup gauge and use PRs every night even if all town aligned players are ulting every night.
Say they have a rolecop a loverizer and a roleblocker or whatever, if we tell them we're mass ulting they have to manage the backup gauge and they have only the loverizer act every night so that their backup gauge never overheats and they keep getting two kills a night.

If we don't tell them we're mass ulting, they can borrow our magic from the main gauge and all three of their PRs can act, possibly without triggering an overheat. But as the decently randomized/theme game representative example shows, there's a good chance the other powers don't matter that much.

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Dannflor you are the real MVP

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having the high ground is less helpful if i can fly and then i have the high ground next

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VOTE: Bitmap
Gnar confirmed

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He's in the Fire Emblem hydra

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He's in the Fire Emblem hydra

Fuck, I thought that wasn't him. Just similar name. Well that's what I get for /inning while drained.

I guess we'll go SNL and say this game needs more Cowbell. Too soon?

Do you not like to play with RC?

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You must have played with him between Anyone Can Post and now, then, right, that one didn't seem problematic for you

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Oh
I thought our hydra was special

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Oh
I thought our hydra was special

It was fun. We should do it for real. How about this game for starters?

If you're town we can townbloc

But I have to figure that out first

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This setup rewards scumhunting more than townhunting, I suspect, if you kill a scum, they stop drinking off your same gauge on top of being deaded.

Can you find me a scum to prove yourself town?

Kind of like how Loki killed a cockroach and showed me.

To prove that I love him.

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Don't site navigate, bookmark

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The trick is to find the people thinking "I won't feel that bad unless I get caught day 1"

Which this game might be Bitmap

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He's not
Probably shouldn't really address a question to him since he shouldn't answer?

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Your rvs vote seems safer than other sorts, gambler's fallacy meme is a safe meme. And it's a pretty medium meme and I know you're good at memes. You're like the meme master.

this is a page 4 read

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Dannflor's vote hop was resonant in the sense I somehow also wanted to vote hop even if I don't know why

Maybe because it is part of being a Hearto of Lighto

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I'm pretty sure this won't get anywhere till Monday - Tuesday

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Why are you rolefishing yourself?

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I don't think that's what Dannfloor meant Sakurahana, the actual post count is pretty typical for a large Theme I think. The extent to which the posts has been alignment indicative have been slow. That's what a games actual pace is.

The speed of getting out of low-information-stage/RVS can vary pretty dramatically from game to game.

Some large theme mechanics have a dynamic that naturally kicks things out of it but I don't think this one does

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fuck

who cares about my wincon

I want kittens

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VOTE: Bitmap we all have the same wincon now

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pops i swear to fucking god if ur scum again

Pops better be town because she owes me a townblock by now at least.

Free IC pass pls.

Spoken like the guy who mislynched me the first game we played together

-almost- mislynching you in Crown doesn't count!!!!!

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Is it too early to start with the semi-serious fos's or should I not read too much into what has been posted huh

Whenever you page 1-10 FoS in a mafia game a cockroach dies and a kitten that would have died just barely nudges past the fattest kitten in the litter and suckles enough milk to not starve to death

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no

real life sucks

fantasy is better

that's what my signature is about


this has been drunkpops

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NO

real life is ok and fantasy is even better

live in a world

where girls are magic
and they fly
and when you believe in yourself
your dreams come true
and you powersheep Dannflor onto 9 scum lynches even though there's only 6 scum
or is it seven idc
but
allowing reality to become a limitation
when you could instead ignore it
is a tragedy
break the walls of the glass cube
VOTE: Titus

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I have a tendency to think town reads on me are scummy lately.

But but but I townread you in Starry Night and again in Guns and Roses!

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I think a magical girl has more judicial powers than a Supreme Court Justice.

But only when transformed and we are strangling girls by day

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Example of how real life can be ok and fantasy even better

I am trying to make the post "more votes on Titus" to summon kitten pics.

But Loki keeps nudging my hand away from the phone which seems ironic.

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Um is this MCU Loki or which Loki is this

Loki is named after the original Norse character itself. He does not resort to trickery quite as often but sometimes he waits until Pandora starts eating then pulls the foodbowl to a new position with his paw to pull a fast one on her.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki
Loki is the name of a Norse God

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Gameplay case is maybe decently appropriate for the pagecount.

Next person that uses the preflip association word "chainsaw" gets their head in a basket tho

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I want to be risky and try for a scenario where townies with crappy abilities don't transform and townies with powerful abilities transform and we don't overheat. Worst case scenario our sane cop works every other nightbecause we overheat, best case scenario she acts every night. With the leashing, both best and worst case scenario is every other night.


Pandora and Loki are both represented as dark attribute characters in puzzles and dragons, and are both black. So that's why I picked the names.

Both their mythologies are kind of about subverted expectations.

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Yes, no, no, no

If we mess up it is only as bad as not trying it at all.

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My role PM has information that counsels against the even/odd leash, though I think the public info is sufficient anyway

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I reread gam v gam I think it might TvT. Or emerald scum

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VOTE: DrDolittle

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If you guys can play an entire page without rolefishing, there might be a picture of Loki

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I have a tendency to think town reads on me are scummy lately.

But but but I townread you in Starry Night and again in Guns and Roses!

fuck u

I love you Bitmap

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I'm not sure Bitmap is overreacting if you know the context Dannflor.

In Starry Night he obvtowned day 1 but everyone except his dance partner and me scumread him.

So when he learned I was scum it turned out the thread's misread of him was twice as severe.

Then we go to play guns and roses.
And the entire thread townreads him.
And he gets to enjoy that for like less than 48 hours because day one was a fast lynch and I shot him.

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Otoh Bitmap only lost one of those games I guess

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Please sign posts when you can, to the hydra accounts.

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MariaR and Shadoweh seem the same to me I can't tell

I come to this website to scumhunt not to alt-hunt. I am even worse at alt-hunting than I am at mafia.

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Spoiler: By opening you promise not to cause d1 massclaim

Last time I played with RC I had him as hard town on Day 1. When I replaced in for him once, I felt really unsure about his alignment as I read the game before getting my PM, and it turned out I was replacing him as scum. In Anyone Can Post I scumread him some but admittedly most of it was setup spec.

So, I'm at least one slot that's not gonna be inclined to policy lynch Tana Ephraim, even if I've merely been lucky in the past.

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Are you more a shotgun lady or a sniper gal, LLD?

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I'm gonna delete the save file I have playing the ninja guy in Borderlands 2 VR and start over and try the siren cause LLD made it sound cool. I like the VR format and Borderlands 2 seemed good enough to deserve being beaten twice, I just think the ninja guy literally boringsville.

See you guys on Day 2.

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Hahahahaha LLD thinks I have friends.

Pedit: I think the non Lillaire head is the scummier of the two if that makes Lily feel better (?)

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I'll pick up BL3, then.

I think I agree on Bitmap town

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Was that Tana or Ephraim?

BL3 doesn't have crossplatform play, I only have PC and PS4

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My desire to win is lower than usual at the moment. Therefore it doesn't seem that errant to scumread me, I probably am not dropping town wincon motivations too much. I'm sure I will care about deleting the scums instead of roleplaying magical girl soon enough that I'm not mislynched. Well I'm not sure, my day 1 mislynch rate is pretty high.

I don't scumread your scumread as of now

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I think I agree that scum say that more than town.

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... I think I see what Tana may be seeing.

@Pops: Care to explain why you believe the scum to have *three* power roles? And why you're pro-mechanical-discussion and volunteering role info while simultaneously chewing others out for rolefishing? Not only that, but...

... I just can't shake that you're *apologizing for RPing a magical girl and letting that get in the way of good gameplay.*

That... does not feel like a towny mindset. Wouldn't you want to be the best and most towny magical girl ever???

VOTE: Popsofctown

I hadn't given lots to thought, I was just whipping up a scenario

When you make me give it thought, the mafia have to have at least 3 power roles if their magical gauge is size 2 like most people assume, otherwise it's impossible for the gauge to overheat.

I'm not pro mechanical discussion I'm trying to like squelch mechanic discussion by winning the argument. I think everyone should shut up and decide for themselves whether to transform, it's basically the optimal strategy for the setup in addition to being good for the dayplay.

I shouldn't have rolefished myself just to put a stop to it, you're right that it's hypocritical. Hypocrisy isn't a scumtell, though.

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I got annoyed at the gun not appearing in the air where I was holding it and remembered why VR annoys me too much so I'm back
Loki at least had fun swatting at the dangling wrist strap

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And like, I think "your reasons to scumread me are valid so I don't scumread you for it and I'll do better layer and -justification for why you scumread me-" is a pretty typical scum response.

Disagree, at least on my side, I think town!me is more inclined to look at myself and be self-critical

Town!you is more likely to do so if there is

genuinely

something worthy of criticism, but you have to weight the average for the cases where town!you did nothing wrong and has nothing to discover self-critically, and busses back or explains a misreading or what have you. Scum!you has a higher percentage chance of the core issue being a valid point, for obvious reasons, so even if they're less likely to confess to it, the existence of the confession is indicting.

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Yeah I am not asking for time measured in plural dayphases

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I thought Ephraim was talking to me.

Unfortunate pagetop tbh

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I guess I'll reread the thread.

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I reread part of the thread.

I see Bitmap scum maybe a bit moreso. I don't like how he starts nudging Dannflor about his vote hopping, but then later interprets it as protown. Seems like trying to setup a contrast just to have a more consolidated case to push, I don't see why he wouldn't just scumread us both.

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How's that relevant?
VOTE: Bitmap

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The Dann townread just seems off in general

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I love you too, RC.

I lean town on Titus now, so I don't see a good reason to leave my vote where it was (I think it was on Titus before)

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I scumread Evenstar but townread Lillaire. Please send help.

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I scumread Evenstar but townread Lillaire. Please send help.

What do you town read?

She promised extrajudicial punishment on those unfortunate enough to -stand out-. While making a post that was itself kind of awkward. It read like missing survivor-tell to me.


She also took control of her slots vote to vote Titus, doing it for an RVS reason but on a wagon that had enough mass to be real. It's less likely for an "apprentice" in a hydra to do that, MJL in the MJL/volxen hydra in Starcraft Mafia didn't cast votes.


She has 2 posts so obviously she's not townlocked. Er, even moreso, she's part of a slot I'm also scumreading

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Would you publishing day rolecop this face?

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Humans post more as town, in general.

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Yeah pops might be scum but is that actually interesting?

The heck?
Yes, this is mafia, if you actually think I'm scum it should be outright fascinating. That's literally the entire game.

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Yeah pops might be scum but is that actually interesting?

How does this post come from a town mindset ever? I don't see it.

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UNVOTE:

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What else am I good for!?

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What else am I good for!?

btw I'm itching for more BL rn.

Do you wanna play BL2 on Steam or BL3 on Epic Game Store?

I really wanna play lol

rn rn? How long would BL3 take to download?

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What else am I good for!?

btw I'm itching for more BL rn.

Do you wanna play BL2 on Steam or BL3 on Epic Game Store?

I really wanna play lol

rn rn? How long would BL3 take to download?

A while? I think?

and RN RN yes. But BL2 would be just fine honestly.

My BL2 is on an exroommate's xbox that moved out and on PSVR

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UNVOTE:

why

I like the reasoning against Senshi, yet it's also several slots that might townspew if there's town to spew, which leaves me somewhat torn.

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UNVOTE:

why

I like the reasoning against Senshi, yet it's also several slots that might townspew if there's town to spew, which leaves me somewhat torn.

Did your feelings on Bitmap change at all?

A little. I liked his vote on me.

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RC's 577 is clearly over the line. Krazy's post 574.. skirts the line. It's probably over the line.

Ideally you don't stoop to someone else's level or escalate.

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574 was a personal attack. I retaliated in kind.

That's not what you do.
You can call it out or replace out or ask for mod intervention.

Eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.

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Borderlands 3 is at 30% btw

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The problem is you called it "disgustingly" emotionally manipulative which is a qualitative statement that something is grosser about RC playing mafia than anyone else playing mafia.

Literally everyone uses a nonzero amount of AtE at L-1 when they roll scum so you're putting him below others somehow in some way independent of just using emotional manipulation to win as scum, which as others have pointed out tends to be part of the game.

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also I lowkey think pops is the real scum here who slipped in an unvote so she could vote on the Senshi wagon later in a more natural / less noticeable way

No. I'm hoping we get even more developments and information by the time I'm revoting anywhere, and it might not be Senshi. I'm still possibly a sucker for the (fake?) townslip.

If you scumread me I hope I at least get to be town IRL, though.

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I made a level 2 Moze under a popsofctown account

Imma catch up here after dinner

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It does not matter if you are dead.
It does not matter if you don't think it will affect a game.
It does not matter if you aren't in the game.
It does not matter if you are posting about a game taking place on another forum or posting about an MS game on another forum.

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I am not as smart as I think I am

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Wow, like six pages of useless flaming overnight. Mafia must be laughing and laughing right now.

And it all started with pressure being put on Sailor Senshi, so guess where my vote's going?

VOTE: Sailor Senshi

If the thread explodes when someone gets pressured, >rand they're scum.

It feels like you're taking some mental shortcuts on the critical thinking here, in a way that I find a little scummy. "Guess where my vote's going?" has this air of justification to it.
That's apart from whether the heuristic is good. I prefer the heuristic I (re)posted in Role Call I to try to prevent the losing mislynch:

By the way I have developed this wonderful D1 tell relating to RC.

If the player
1. knows RC
2. goes hail mary on him D1

The player is most likely town.

The meta on 2/3rds of the slot suggests it should be pretty readable by lategame, so it'd take something that I unambiguously interpret as scummy for me to want to wagon it. I do agree it's survivalist scum-indicative that Krazy posted so quickly after the slot got any attention, and his characterization of the gamestate was very scum indicative too. But lots of stuff counsels the other way.

And I mean it, your iso is a sad read for a 30 page long game, Lady.

Can we call this slot something else since Lady Lambdadelta is also a Lady?

@DDL: is "leanscum" or "weak scummy" closer to cop guiltied for you?

Ugh, I wish I had the multi-iso tool from mafiauniverse here.

We have a multi-iso tool represented by a hyperlinked plus, max 3 slots.

No. I'm hoping we get even more developments and information by the time I'm revoting anywhere, and it might not be Senshi. I'm still possibly a sucker for the (fake?) townslip.

If you scumread me I hope I at least get to be town IRL, though.

Of course you're town IRL <3

What town slip did you see?

Also, where are the rest of your reads right now?

The first post saying "our role PMs imply it's singleball".
We don't have a sample mafia goon PM but it might have been phrased "your goal is for all the Hearts of Shadow to kill all others and for at least 1 member to survive." I guess it also might have been "kill all hearts of light" and then it's not a townslip at all.

Anything I said about what is present in your scum play would be tantamount to saying that it's not present in the same amount in your town play and thus would constitute discussing the town game to a level that I'm not comfortable with.

... If this is the actual rule I'm leaving this community. Because that's dumb as hell.

Nah pretty sure that's not the actual rule. It's pretty strict but not third order inferences strict.



Reads, for Dancefloor
Bitmap - Schrodinger's reread.
Café Stile - light green
Chaos Wind - hard town. There was an early post that was really could. I feel lazy. You'll have to find a way to make me not lazy. Without using those kitten powers you already expended. What a poor lifechoice you have made, Danceflor
DrDoLittle - Slightly town for not using drayma as an excuse to cop-out from playing mafia I think, though he hasn't gotten to play that much mafia yet.
gameplay506 - I feel kind of like volxen in Old Newbies in terms of seeing how my own meta could absolutely create a scumread on my slot, to the point of townreading the scumread. I find it curious RCEenigma hasn't done the same, only having 1 completed game of advantage on gameplay, and that being a game where he misread me. It raises the question of how possible it is to reset biases you had during a game when you incorporate new information in on a meta of a player? There's this other possibility that RCEnigma is just really damn good at mafia.
Gamma Emerald - He's kind of townie but I give him a harsh handicap on how townie I expect him to bleed.
HH, Katsuki, LLD - null
Tana and Ephraim - Sakura Hana did Sakura Hana obvtowning that I heard so many rumors about in the first few pages of the game before any of the muddle so I have the slot written off as town.
Titus - She seems hard to read, I've actually only played a couple RL days with Titus without being confirmed we share an alignment. Some of her positions seem convenient.
Promise Breaker - I lean town. I'm the wrong slot but I liked the general notion of trying not to miss the forest for the trees and not hone in on the grudge related voting patterns and look for voting patterns a bit more core to mafia.

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I skipped Evenstar, she's probscum. Did I skip anyone else?

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Wait, you've been here since 2008 and Anyone can post is the only game we played together?

We were scum together in hope plus one but I should search my own games to see if I played with you before site hiatus

I have been flabbergasted by what I've turned up in ego searches on the games I've played with people

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Titus's posting style was much more protown in the previous game I played with her where she was town.

lol
ok
I should have retained a meta on you, but I have not Sorry Tie Tie

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Promise Breaker

Who this

The man who was supposed to fill my life with kittens

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We did nothing wrong, both of us.

I suggest voting LE.

I thought she's weak scum you don't care to see die right away?


re LE: I think she's scummy. I think the even-odd thing was LAMIST and has some scum equity because most town PRs are either worthless or busted in mafia, because they either investigate a slot or don't, so it's a more likely suggestion to come from a scum PR.
Her self focus has some "I'm scum but that's not why" dimensions and feel to it. I'd be more impressed with a wholesome counterwagon. DDL is not a particularly wholesome counterwagon.

re GE: You have a pretty townie baseline "feel". You haven't met that so I lean scum.

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And you find Lady Evenstar even scummier than me I guess?

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Yeah that was pretty weird. I would say it's scummy regardless of flips.

You're my buddy this game Ephraim, you just don't know it yet.

Time to shoot more bandits, I'll let any hydra partners I have take over for me while I'm gone.

pedit: p sure RC's ranking is perfect
I don't think the tradeoff on dayplay impact vs. actual mechanical optimization makes it worthwhile to post about the other 25 roles that are possibly in the setup. Clear/guilty slots -> act, can't clear slots -> holster, tweak as needed. (vigs clear slots. It's just very violent).

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I want to see what happens.

Okaaaaaay

I have a proxy vote which means I can progress both major wagons while being a net neutral on vca.

VOTE: Titus

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The 1v1 is over and Nancy Drew and Shiro are pretty active now. Why are you still here, Krazy? Have you fallen back in love with mafia?

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I'm curious what his motivations are for changing his mind about taking a passive role this game.

I'm sorry if it is rude, I didn't see it that way. Maybe "fallen back in love" is hyperbolic and sounds sarcastic, but one of the possible explanations seemed like he's enjoying the game more than he expected

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Krazy is one of my favorite players to play with.

He's planning to go on hiatus, and I don't want to see that hiatus be a permanent one, so he gets heavily involved with this game and that turns him off of mafia even harder... :/

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*if he

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Consider the post rescinded

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I am sorry

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VOTE: Lady Evenstar

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Ugh do I need to try in this game now.

I just found out I don't work tomorrow so I cna play more borderlands

don't make me actually pay attention

Guess I'll start with the easy stuff

Eva, the reason I'm not doing the things you are expecting is because

1) I change my Meta every game intentionally, so one game of experience with me will not gather much moss as far as things go
2) I'm literally currently not engaged with the thread at all. I'm responding to things and not being proactive, as you've helpfully pointed out because proactivity requires work I genuinely don't wanna put in rn.
3) The person you know outside mafia and the person you know inside Mafia aren't the same. We're both passionate and stuff but you haven't seen all sides of me. I'm not somoene for meta but if you want to continue to base your approaches about me on them, you have some 10 years of mafia games from me on this site so you can always feel free to read through them. Again, see point 1 for why that is fruitless, but there are consistencies (anger, passion, emotional play)

I have literally zero reads right now because I've been skimming and not actually processing. Just trying to keep up with the thread instead of solving. Maybe I'll do some of that tonight, maybe not.

I will definitely begin solving by tomorrow night at latest. I have no intentions of letting this game flow by me. That's why it's 45 pages in and I'm not lost, because I am reading, just not currently in a mood to give effort.

Yo Pops wanna play BL3?

I played up to level 6 today, workout how to add me in client and/or PM, I'm arround to play right now

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What's NDP?

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Also, all the defenses and the attempts to form counterwagons to them have been some bullshit thus far.
Chaos wind being like "oh yeah that is so town" when all they did was vote DDL without giving reasons and repeatedly say they needed following up on.
Popsofctown avoiding calling them out in their readslist, then calling them scum after, then still not voting them.
RCE saying a ton of stuff that really doesn't make any sense to justify pushing on multiple different people.

~Ephraim

Could you please singularly pronoun me?

I agree with most or all of your reasoning for LE being scummy. I don't think Chaos wind is a scum partner, I think Lady Evenstar's reaction to him seems too on-the-nose and too high risk to be SvS. I mean, maybe we'll see, if Chemist is town and townreads the slot he has a duty to go to bat, and now that risks SvS leaks that wouldn't have to be risked in the first place if she had been more quiet about it.

There didn't seem to be anything unfakeable in the wall, some of it was actually overt IIoA, I can't remember how much of it.

I'm sorry I'm not pushing the LE wagon hard enough for you to be happy with me. I feel a little less eager when a large percentage of her involvement was some back and forth about Mafia universe I don't fully follow, so it feels unfair to hammer hard and early.

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I hard townread Tana and Ephraim, can you do distancing plays with one direction going like that?

I mean, I don't really know. I don't really do like football playbook mafia when I roll scum. Might make me lose.

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I mean to say, I probably lose more than I ought to because I don't do it on red rolls.

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Day 1 is the best day

And often the only one I get to play, lol.

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If you roll PR you get to submit a night action, though!

I'm kidding, though. I eat a lot of early lynches but that's nothing like what people with a heavy NK meta have to deal with. I've started reaching LyLo a lot more than I used to since my break from mafia ended.

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That's literally what Flavor Leaf said, with Titus on wagon as it happens, when he quicklynched me in a boon game.

And he was the N1 kill anyway, even though he built the whole wagon.

It was something else.

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It's probably not totally meritless though and is almost an appealing argument for resequencing the lynches.

[popsofctown]

I was about to say, that's douchey if you're not town power, then I saw, oh, loyal neighborizer, yeah that role's busted do it.

[popsofctown]

I said that I townread CW if that's the connection you're looking for?

[popsofctown]

I don't mind getting d1 mislynched from time to time

But you should focus on some legacy scumreads that work independently rather than just try to create a tree of pops assocs

Cause I can tell you the tree will be a disappointing legacy

[popsofctown]

And I do think the majority of the time you'll just get shot anyway so I don't think you'd want that to be all you did this game.

Nor would I want that to be all you did this game

I am not floored with the town's sleuthing this game, my own included

[popsofctown]

Btw in case it wasn't clear I'm not really in the mood to vote EvenTide

Oh yeah? then what are you in the mood of. What's your read on Eventide
-Tana

I think Eventide has some scum equity but also potential to be towny further on, so that' why I'm not voting there

Why isn't this on your LE assocs shortlist, Ephraim? I disagree with it, to me it's a slot I expect will point me back to my day 1 read on day 2 moreso than other slots.
Question is not rhetorical.

[popsofctown]

188 is the post I liked a whole lot.
Presumably I'm alone in that.

[popsofctown]

I thought it seemed town-indicative for Chaos Wind because Chaos Wind identified that Titus did something town do more often than scum, then gave her some credit for it.

[popsofctown]

Well. Suppose Chaos Wind is stupid as I am. Isn't it town indicative for Chaos Wind, then?

[popsofctown]

I'm not trying to get you to unvote. I'm just jamming.

I like when you explain things.

[popsofctown]

Could you rewrite 1208 so it's coherent?

[popsofctown]

I actually wasn't trying to earn your vote. I don't think I ever fake a townread on a player when I play scum. I try to think about what behaviors town!pops would townread or scumread and mimick that as closely as I can. I've come to realize that it results in bussing my partners too often, so I've been adjusting the scum side of that, but I haven't adjusted the town side of that very much.

I said I townread you because I thought town!pops would have townread you. I said I scumread your day 2 play because I thought town!pops would probably scumread your day 2 play. I only lied about nullreading my partner GoldenRobster and then when things started to narrow I had to fake scumreads on everyone but me of course.

I found it pretty surprising that RC moved his vote from LE onto CW after using pretty strong wording for how scummy he thinks I am, since that represents a heavy gap in judgment when I townread that slot. So I was curious to dig into why. He could convince me wrong. I'm not sure whether I'm persuaded yet but now I at least understand his perspective better.

[popsofctown]

In Dance Game/Guns and Roses, you pocketed me, a pretty scummy slot in a defense the same way you are doing here. It pings me as really off.

You seemed really town motivated day 1 of Guns and Roses. I'm not sure how so much of the town didn't see that. You quite possibly won town the entire game because I didn't get my ideal partner, Dunnstral, who did identify that townspew, and who is more stable and wouldn't have left me in endgame, I don't think. You ought to recognize that.

[popsofctown]

Yes? I don't know why you need to say it twice? No one's said otherwise?

[popsofctown]

You're now saying that you might lynch pops before me, while saying that your case on them is still weaker than mine and largely based on associatives with me. That's a bad look.

What are you gonna do about it?

What do you think all my previous posts were, chopped liver?

Also, this:

VOTE: Tana and Ephraim

this is a bad vote

Why?

Well, for one, it won't do anything without 8 votes just like it, and that's not going to happen.

[popsofctown]

post 971 is indeed a really really bad post. I don't think it has to be SvS to be a really bad post.

[popsofctown]

As for Chaos Wind he is meh. Least content in the game rn so I don't really want a to lynch that.

Nah, that's a reason to lynch that.

When you have a low slot with very little content and a very high percentage scummy, that's always a great lynch.

Not producing content is, itself, scum indicative, and even when it's town it's less likely that it was ever going to generate enough content to get out of your mislynch pool (with some exceptions like when a well-known player has a v/la.)

[popsofctown]

When you have a low slot with very little content and a very high percentage scummy, that's always a great lynch.

I don't see high percentage scummy.

Pedit: oh lol, that guy, yea.
Pretty sure he isn't going to catch up.

CW basically only has 2 posts.

RC sees both as scummy, I only saw 1 as scummy.

Huge swing between 50% and 100%.

[popsofctown]

Right now I'm thinking there's at least one scum in Dann/RCE, and I very much want to hear everyone's reads on this.

I really don't like "There must be in scum in subset X" minigames. I feel like it just gives you more chances to mess up, once when you setup the group, then again if you miss as you select within the group.

I'd have to be sold on Dannflor or RCE being independently scummy for the things they've done.

[popsofctown]

That wasn’t an answer to your question, that was calling your question scummy

-Wind

How is it scummy? Scum has a tendency to cover for scummy town in order to sway votes towards their side.

You’re projecting your scum read on me onto pops’s read to push them

-Wind

This makes no sense. pops even admitted to you being scummy as well.

Wait where

-Wind

Let me rephrase that. He's saying you being derpy and scummy is a town-tell for you.

That's a mischaracterization of what I've said.
I think Chaos Wind has been both scummy and towny, and the scummy things are worse. They wouldn't be a bad day one lynch.

[popsofctown]

Right now I'm thinking there's at least one scum in Dann/RCE, and I very much want to hear everyone's reads on this.

I really don't like "There must be in scum in subset X" minigames. I feel like it just gives you more chances to mess up, once when you setup the group, then again if you miss as you select within the group.

I'd have to be sold on Dannflor or RCE being independently scummy for the things they've done.

RCE’s shade on us re: Bitmap wagon: crazy or scummy?

I don't think those are mutually exclusive. I think it's scummy on balance but I don't assign it a high magnitude. I feel cognizant of being TR by RCE right now when I'm rather unpopular right now though, so there's that.

[popsofctown]

Right now I'm thinking there's at least one scum in Dann/RCE, and I very much want to hear everyone's reads on this.

I really don't like "There must be in scum in subset X" minigames. I feel like it just gives you more chances to mess up, once when you setup the group, then again if you miss as you select within the group.

I'd have to be sold on Dannflor or RCE being independently scummy for the things they've done.

RCE’s shade on us re: Bitmap wagon: crazy or scummy?

I don't think those are mutually exclusive. I think it's scummy on balance but I don't assign it a high magnitude. I feel cognizant of being TR by RCE right now when I'm rather unpopular right now though, so there's that.

What does RCE’s read on you have to do with it?

It’s these kind of null content fence sittery posts, why I don’t think you’re town here.

His read might make it hard for me to analyze objectively.
Tana has kind of touched on the concept earlier this game.

[popsofctown]

That's the opposite of what the word "cognizant" implies.

[popsofctown]

Do you actually want to lynch Dannflor day 1 RC

[popsofctown]

Do you actually want to lynch Dannflor day 1 RC

Have we played together before?

no
but people talk about you
and your stature in the game of mafia just kinda seems apparent
like I'm pretty sure a town!you is more meaningful in LyLo than most people
Sample size 1/1 RC is horrified of me representing him for the town in LyLo otoh

[popsofctown]

I really like 1380 actually
I can choo choo
VOTE: Café Stile

[popsofctown]

Let me rephrase that. He's saying you being derpy and scummy is a town-tell for you.

That's a mischaracterization of what I've said.
I think Chaos Wind has been both scummy and towny, and the scummy things are worse. They wouldn't be a bad day one lynch.

Didn't you have them as hard town?

Chaos Wind - hard town. There was an early post that was really could. I feel lazy. You'll have to find a way to make me not lazy. Without using those kitten powers you already expended. What a poor lifechoice you have made, Danceflor

Yes. They moved many a notch when the wrongfulness of their "voting Dr. DoLittle cures cancer" post was pointed out to me.
At the time of the "hard town" assessment I was working off just one green data point.

[popsofctown]

Like, scum absolutely recently have been posting shit like that deliberately to frustrate and stymie me and to keep me off balance.

RC

If you're still alive with me in LyLo

I'll write you a haiku

[popsofctown]

What % of the time does voting DrDoLittle have to cure cancer for you to be willing to vote him in this game?

If this isn't a metaphor, .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%

[popsofctown]

What % of the time does voting DrDoLittle have to cure cancer for you to be willing to vote him in this game?

If this isn't a metaphor, .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%

Which should imply, I really liked his last post, I was cooler on him before that.

[popsofctown]

you've deliberately used similar play to what you're employing here as town as scum to achieve a specific result.

Scumslip? :S

[popsofctown]

I very frequently use phrasing that assumes the person that I'm talking to is town because if they're not town there's no point in the discussion.

Do you think Bitmap is >rand scum?

[popsofctown]

Mine too, I need a big strong Dann to halp me.

[popsofctown]

When MariaR was simultaneously town in Starry Night and scum in Role Call she paid more attention to Starry Night

[popsofctown]

I can only work with the data I have

[popsofctown]

Nah, you're good.

I think Celica is Shadoweh?

[popsofctown]

Your posts are fun to read Celica; I like your reasonings.

College is important though, you don't have to let mafia get in the way.

[popsofctown]

Can’t tell if this vote was a joke or not, mostly because I have no idea why this would warrant a vote. Maybe I’m stupid. Explain it to me.

The town Titus I'm familiar with pushed me for a page ~10 hammer in a Boon game and complained later this game that Day 1 has been too long. Why is Titus splitting her votes?

That said, if I wanted the vote to have more gravitas than it did, I would have explained my vote.

[popsofctown]

@MariaR

In the meantime ill just help dann with his wagon
VOTE: bitmap
-Tana

Actually...

Like here im hoping RC a.k.a RADIANT COWBELLS, comes and helps me sort bitmap coz im not good at sorting those types of players.
-Tana

Ok from a quick skim im liking Titus,

bitmap

and pops for town.
-Tana

What changed here?

I made a decission based on your posting because I havent heard from RC yet.
-Tana

These are a couple of posts I found towny. Creating a motion and some kind of snowball in RVS seemed pretty protown. And the way Tana described her thought process on Bitmap seemed solid to me. There's other directions I'd think mafia might take the answer, like saying the read is soft, which makes it easier to rescind for mislynches.

Should I spoiler this post so Sakura doesn't feel pocketed

[popsofctown]

You 100% need Lillaire's permission, it was rule 8 in the OP.

I swear.

[popsofctown]

Why did you RVS someone you haven't played with before? Most people do the contrary?

I honestly don't think I'll solve the game with this I just feel challenged about making a question

[popsofctown]

*wolf noises*

[popsofctown]

Bitmap do you scumread me for reasons besides pocketing and votehop

[popsofctown]

I agree with gameplay town

[popsofctown]

Pandora is swatting at the phone screen too much for me to play ranking dungeon.


Mafiascum has a site culture of being awesomeness I like like 9/10 players


I'm curious about the wild mafia universe place but the posts are so spaced out it looks hard to read.

I don't really like a purely positional case on Titus for a day one lynch. I don't get the logic in general actually, if Bitmap is scum isn't she 1/4, which is precisely correct distribution from her PoV?

[popsofctown]

LLD's case is that it's suspicious you have multiple cases and none of them seem likely to be busses, proving you know the scumteam because you are outperforming rand.

@titus

[popsofctown]

I'm definitely much lower on chaos wind now.

I still feel like Last Eventide is Occam's razor probscum. Lots of time feels really off, and her pushes feel off. I think you should be more willing to BoP her push for being bad than you should be willing to give it a green light because it didn't protect her slot.

I'm not particularly fond of Titus's towniness right now. Failing to stick to one topic or plug whatever read she thinks is correct and should end the day borrows me compared to her just pushing "end the day". Like.. I guess I'm taking the easy straightforward interpretation here, "end the day" doesn't serve the town wincon.

I'm souring on Bitmap. The paranoia of my slot seemed cute and made sense to me initially, but my play here has diverged a lot from those previous two scum games (not going to insist it hasn't diverged from many of my towngames as well) and so now I'm getting less impressed with it. I prefer people that can articulate reasons I can buy to scumread me.

I lean town on you @Dannflor and have through the game but it hasn't been enough to WK your slot. You're pulling off a townie tone, although you haven't developed any scumcase that would make me townlock you.

[popsofctown]

Pandora is swatting at the phone screen too much for me to play ranking dungeon.


Mafiascum has a site culture of being awesomeness I like like 9/10 players


I'm curious about the wild mafia universe place but the posts are so spaced out it looks hard to read.

I don't really like a purely positional case on Titus for a day one lynch. I don't get the logic in general actually, if Bitmap is scum isn't she 1/4, which is precisely correct distribution from her PoV?

Okay like...

Do you see where my vote is currently? And why it's not on Titus?

If Bitmap is scum I'm lynching Bitmap.

If Bitmap is town, I'm probably lynching Titus for being scum.

And currently I'm using my vote to apply pressure elsewhere but that's kind of moot now that I've had to explain this principle.

God I hate mafia sometimes. It's like no one bothers to actually read into why you do shit and just blow up your read setups and go "look how townie I am lul"

Christ.

No, I didn't bother to check where you're voting, because you're missing the bar. 1/4 is the percentage where your argument is inverted into a towncase in Titus. 0/4 shooting in 4/16 is nowhere near statistically significant and is a case with the weight of a helium balloon. It's about as strong as knowing the scumteam have two dice with no sixes on any face and scumreading one for not rolling a twelve

[popsofctown]

*missing the point

[popsofctown]

The probability Titus's reads are that bad, IF you've correctly read every single townread she thinks is a scumread, which stands to modify the percentage, is 27%.

The probability you wouldn't be able to find a townie eligible to mislynch by this logic is 2.3%

[popsofctown]

Wasn't LLD just inactive when you were voting Lady E?

And can we please use names that uniquely identify a player.

Please Please Please Please

[popsofctown]

Uh, well two separate statements in there.

The first one is me challenging Titus on her assertion that it is suspicious she is pressured more when she is voting Bitmap as opposed to when she is voting Lady Eventide and without doing hard research I'm saying I think it was more of a function of who happened to be active at the time.


The second statement is I want people to refer to Lady Lambdadelta and Lady Eventide with some type of name that clearly identifies which player is being referred to, "Lady" doesn't get there for me.

Addressed you in third person this post because it's about names and for consistency.

[popsofctown]

How many times did you use the word bitmap in reference to computer graphics that meticulously depict an image pixel by pixel?

If you say 0 you will crush my magical girl heart

[popsofctown]

Dannflor is trying to pocket me by using sane ways of referring to the LLD and Eventide slots







It is working

[popsofctown]

If Tana fools with stuff like this as scum she efforts enough at scum she can just beat me at mafia that's fine

[popsofctown]

I don't see why I should worry about this slot

[popsofctown]

Sue me

[popsofctown]

If Tana fools with stuff like this as scum she efforts enough at scum she can just beat me at mafia that's fine

there are enough reasons to town read that slot that I don't think it's worth reconsidering until lylo

With a slot like this I tend toward the mindset "If this slot is alive in LyLo it's not one of the options, unless something dramatic has happened"

That might only be a semantic difference though.

[popsofctown]

Dannflor are you a Heart of Light

[popsofctown]

What's wrong with engaging with scum?

[popsofctown]

Do you think she didn't have the dream at all, or would have kept it to herself if she was town?

[popsofctown]

The former I don't expect croag in particular to fake. The latter seems very dubious for anyone, unless they conceal it as both alignments and then it's irrelevant.

[popsofctown]

This is a really bad reason to townread me. Because if I’m scum obviously scum me is gonna know about this and scumread you right? So at most I should be null, but the main factor here is a discredit of me reading Enigma and that’s blah. Like yes, I do scumread him more often than not but I feel my points are valid. This isn’t a playstyle thing it’s a ‘wow you’re fucking scummy’

You have only ever scumread me, so a deviation would be troubling. Sure you could manipulate that but you and I both know you wouldn't go out of your way to do that specifically with me considering a lot of the playerlist are of a higher caliber than I am.

I guess that’s fair, but that still doesn’t answer why you’re calling me town for something you know I’d do as either Ali. You should look at my actions not what my read on you is and that’s the problem. You’re reading at such a base level.

MARIAR JUST CALLED YOU BASIC DON'T TAKE IT LYING DOWN

This is some base level reading that just felt like you hop and a skip voting for no reason. I guess I mostly don’t see the point in why you voted that when you’re basically saying ‘I didn’t try to make it have more pressure’ Was it for reaction? No, that’s what I do others don’t do that.

FULL DISCLOSURE MARIAR ALMOST IMMEDIATELY AFTERWARD CALLED ME BASIC AND I AM TOTALLY GOING TO TAKE IT LYING DOWN

These are a couple of posts I found towny. Creating a motion and some kind of snowball in RVS seemed pretty protown. And the way Tana described her thought process on Bitmap seemed solid to me. There's other directions I'd think mafia might take the answer, like saying the read is soft, which makes it easier to rescind for mislynches.

Yeah I can see this, maybe my expections for Sakura/Tana have been too high? It’s possible, but I feel like talking on their slot is useless for the time being so I should probably just leave them be as ‘this will be fixed at a later date’

I AM PLEASANTLY AND CONFUSEDLY SURPRISED MARIAR DIDN'T DUMP THE TRUCK ON MY TAKE ON SAKURA

[popsofctown]

RC can you quote 1651 in your hydra for isos

[popsofctown]

[

I'm not particularly fond of Titus's towniness right now. Failing to stick to one topic or plug whatever read she thinks is correct and should end the day borrows me compared to her just pushing "end the day". Like.. I guess I'm taking the easy straightforward interpretation here, "end the day" doesn't serve the town wincon.

Go on.

I'm not sure why you're asking for a "go on", my thought felt complete. I'm not getting the authentic feel of a player who is doing what they can to end the day, and wields two votes that can be weaponized to that end. It's looking more like someone using the proxy vote to toy with their own moonlogic meta, rather than needle down to the strongest overlap between their own reads and the viable wagons, to end a day they are truly so tired of

Dannflor are you a Heart of Light

I wish I was a heart of light.

Oh my

[popsofctown]

I'm having trouble reconciling their push on me as something scum would do

I just feel like I'm a weird target for their position

Tana and Ephraim (Sakura Hana + RadiantCowbells) [X]
Croag [X]
RCEnigma [X]
Dannflor [X]
Sailor Senshi (Shiro + Krazy + Nancy Drew 39) [X]
popsofctown [X]
DrDoLittle [X]
Lady Lambdadelta [X]
gameplay506 [X]
Katsuki [X]

After the awful SS vote, here are all the people LE has voted so far. That's 10/16

I feel like she has probably voted town then

[popsofctown]

screw it im bored
im not voting eva, and i havent paid attention to bitmap honestly

VOTE: RCEnigma

UNVOTE:

Until RCE explains his post, I don’t think CS is his partner here.

I give up on making it through day 1 without complaining about preflip associations.
Preflip associations are weak sauce.
And they're at their weakest in a day 1 that feels like this one where I feel like very few people feel scummy, and they don't feel that scummy.

Quite curious pops, why did u start posting in pink?

I'm hoping it will improve how I'm pronouned. We'll see what happens, I guess.

[popsofctown]

Well judging by 1701 it doesnt seem to have helped
-Tana

I'm fine with either singular pronoun, so, that's not problematic for me, it's just fine if any particular user decides that user would like me as a he.
I just do not enjoy the "they" pronoun, and I enjoy my current avatar, so a strategy aligned with it is ideal.
I've been "they" pronouned a lot this game.

[popsofctown]

Tana, are you having fun? I think that's all that matters.

[popsofctown]

No one asked, but I have been having fun .

[popsofctown]

Oh, sorry!

[popsofctown]

Sleep sleep Dann Dann ^_^

[popsofctown]

I agree with gameplay town

I do too but I think he’s wrong on both Gamma and Titus.

I haven't felt compelled into sheeping into any of his logic thus far.

I think Titus is scummy for different reasons.

[popsofctown]

What head is 1728

[popsofctown]

I feel like pops switching to pink is townie but I know that's not a convincing argument, just a gut reaction.

Titus feels a little bit like scum Titus so far, but I'll let my other heads deal with that slot for the moment

-Mercury

I have no understanding of how that'd be alignment indicative, so if you somehow read my alignment off of that, that's some 5d chess.

[popsofctown]

What head is 1728

Pretty sure that's Mars/Nancy

Nancy generally does not sign unless forced; to be clear, all of my posts since Nancy started posting have been signed; so if a post is unsigned it is not me. I'm not 100% sure that Shiro is signing every post though.

-Merc

If Shiro brings her image link percentage up to 100% we get a perfect system

[popsofctown]

Well shiro uses cute gifs, that's more reliable than a blood test
-Tana

Can you please gift me a katana before you ninja me so hard omg

[popsofctown]

I want to clarify that I have like, uh, a neutral stance on repretesenting 1403 as a scumslip.

The thing is that a couple posts earlier he was characterizing Bitmaps' actions in a sense that would render them scum, then he quickly moved over to this conicilliatory (sp?) language with town!Bitmap about kosher play.

It's kind of ambiguous whether the hypothetical transition shifted over enough for the change in phrasing to match RC's mindset. I think the scum equity is on the phrasing is somewhere between 0 and positive infinity, but doesn't actually flip my scumread to townread. But it just felt like something I wanted to 24 players to glance at in case I was selling myself short.

Drunkpops is not going to explain herself well.

But tldr I would rather try to read Tanephraim slot instead of play "slip mafia" for however long he and she can stay off of words as damning as "scum PT", which this was certainly not.

[popsofctown]

Do you think she didn't have the dream at all, or would have kept it to herself if she was town?

<<<<<<<<<<not an answer to the question>>>>>>>

Please answer the question I asked.

[popsofctown]

Lady Eventide

- They're looking green for me. They're being a bit helpful to twon the way that Sailor Senshi does.

I would like to inspect a Lady Eventide flip. Titus, why won't you vote here with me?

[popsofctown]

This wagon is rife with information

[popsofctown]

Not a good look, Bitmap.

[popsofctown]

Is IIoA part of MU site culture

[popsofctown]

Oh, apparently I'm voting Café Stile atm

VOTE: Lady Eventide

[popsofctown]

Is IIoA part of MU site culture

Oh fuck off.

On second thought... Nah, still fuck off. This is a good post (if I do say so myself) and I'm not gonna engage you when you've obviously not read it.

I read every word of your post. I read every word of this thread. Why would you assume otherwise?
The post is not devoid of analysis, but includes a lot of excess information.
All players post some amount of information that is not analysis. It's a tell that depends greatly on the backdrop meta of the player it's being applied to, or the backdrop expectation of what an average town player will do. If that expectation isn't calibrated accurately you'll get false positives.
So the extent to which informational posting styles are present in your previous games is relevant to how alignment indicative it is.

[popsofctown]

interested in more thoughts on this

does anyone else think that LE's previous post does not tonally match the rest of their posting this game at all and could potentially have been written by someone else

Dr. Dolittle is "they" in this post, but was "he" in a previous post. Progress like that generally doesn't usually revert. So that is fun for your theory. But I am the world's worst alt exposer and am probably little help for determining it's a different writer on the basis of tone.

[popsofctown]

Pretty sure when RC mentions "posts are being crafted by someone else" he refers to a scum partner.
Granted I do agree with pops that is a lot of words that dont say much in terms of analysis.
-Tana

Was being facetious. I don't mind it being analysis light.

I think they are self aware enough to realize they said lack of analysis was directly in line with their scumplay and linked it earlier this game when making this post. It would be a weird scum flex.

That's not how IIoA works.
You IIoA and it feels like it was all analysis, and then someone points at the post you wrote and you reread it and you say "shit, whoops", then half the time you argue it really was analysis.
It's categorically different from something like knowing your own lurk meta.

[popsofctown]

interested in more thoughts on this

does anyone else think that LE's previous post does not tonally match the rest of their posting this game at all and could potentially have been written by someone else

Dr. Dolittle is "they" in this post, but was "he" in a previous post. Progress like that generally doesn't usually revert. So that is fun for your theory. But I am the world's worst alt exposer and am probably little help for determining it's a different writer on the basis of tone.

Pops everyone in that post is a they

This is not correct, Lady Lambdadelta is a she in the post, which makes sense because Lady Eventide knows her well. Katsuki was inexplicably a she despite not being known very well, which is a bit of partner equity.

[popsofctown]

Well, this is just me throwing a dart into the dark, but Croag's a she in her pronoun and you called her a "they"
-Tana

This isn't directed at me, is it?

[popsofctown]

He wasn't serious about the orange. My dreams are crushed.

[popsofctown]

Hm, Evenstar doesn't seem like the kind of personality for enjoying gacha games.

Either Lillaire has been up to no good in there, or Evenstar has foiled my expectations.

[popsofctown]

Hm, Evenstar doesn't seem like the kind of personality for enjoying gacha games.

Either Lillaire has been up to no good in there, or Evenstar has foiled my expectations.

We're adding Eva on said gacha game after the game ends so that was eva
*finger guns*

- Hideri

Uh, you should be good to go ahead and do it now, farm a few weeks more friends points or what have you. Just don't use the app to discuss the game.

I mean I did in fact play some BL3 with LLD after all.