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[DrDolittle]

Ephraim x Erika best ship.

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VOTE: pops

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I can sheep titus too I guess

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Anyway, as for the actual game...

If we assume 4 mafia in a 17p game, and a backup gauge = to half of scum, just like ours, then probably we can assume at least 2 scum will be using their transform powers, and at max 4.

If we want to guarantee transforms, we want a max of 4 townies transforming. But if we go for that, it means scum will be able to get all 4 of their potential night powers.

If we want to force maf to crash their own backup transform gauge if they crash ours, then we want to aim for 6 townies transforming - exactly half of us.

I personally prefer a role madness game to a mountainous, so I suggest we assign all living players an odd-night transform or even-night transform modifier based on wether their player number is odd or even.

- Evenstar

I want to be risky and try for a scenario where townies with crappy abilities don't transform and townies with powerful abilities transform and we don't overheat. Worst case scenario our sane cop works every other nightbecause we overheat, best case scenario she acts every night. With the leashing, both best and worst case scenario is every other night.


Pandora and Loki are both represented as dark attribute characters in puzzles and dragons, and are both black. So that's why I picked the names.

Both their mythologies are kind of about subverted expectations.

can we discuss more gameplay rather than wax on nostalgia

[DrDolittle]

im not averse to eventide, but I think there should be a better way to incorporate pop's idea in "useful characters transform"

pop's idea laissez-faire alone is pretty shoddy, but I can't distinguish whether it's full on scummy.

[DrDolittle]

why bitmap

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what happened between this and two days ago

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actually bitmap you know what youre right VOTE: eventide

@Eph to bitmap about his gut.

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evidence that I'm reading.

Tana and Ephraim (Sakura Hana + RadiantCowbells) [X]: arrogance 401 reminds me of town, i like the pops push, I'm ok with the interaction with SS, but there's definitely some hokey: i.e. FoTM.

Bitmap [X]: lean town - I liked her grasp on eventide + I think the culling of discussion on game play is fair.

RCEnigma [X]: i think voting, inactive is typically scum as in 452.

Dannflor [X]: mmm, weak town read, but 533 interests me. does scum dan take a consiliatory tone towards his scum reads? his flop between SS-town vs scum makes me wary but could be cause he's a nice fellow.

Sailor Senshi (Shiro + Krazy + Nancy Drew 39) [X]: Nothing AI imo. But I'm town reading for [redacted] reasons

Gamma Emerald [X]: town, like the action of 383 attacking LLD, I also think pages 18-19 attacking bitmap is town driven, as agreement with most of the people. I liked his mediation - that was in good faith. Might be my strongest town read at the moment.

popsofctown [X]: lean scum, vote switch galore, hop on bitmap was no good imo. Other reasons here or there

Titus [X]: town, push lurkers, solid interaction with rc, etc.

Lady Eventide (Evenstar + Lillaire)[X]: scummy. but weak scummy, as discussed by bitmap and Dann. I thought "liliare felt bad" was town, but still nothing substantial by any means.

gameplay506 [X]: 714's summary is lame, but it's probably a town summary.

[DrDolittle]

hmm

Eventide's vote on SS is pretty shoddy. being pressured leading to spat is a terribly weak reason to scum read people... what do you want, that after being pressured you just lay down and die?

I don't think gameplay is scum, but please don't use personal RL stuff as a point of attack.

If Eventide would flip scum, Titus's (hello titus!) attack on gameplay is very much chainsaw.

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Chaos Wind (Chemist1422 + Eragon) [X]: Hi titus as a post. Wind = Chemist.

RCEnigma [X]: How far along are you this game? Re: 821. Are you just popping in and checking what's hot? Same question to

Katuski

Dannflor [X]: dann dann dance dann @833, remains concilliatory, in 877, but now extend the courtesy to Eventide. I know you are a nice person in gameplay, but this seems a bit too much. Can you link?

popsofctown [X]: @weak scum is more cop guilty than lean scum in that context, but should be used pretty interchangeably.

Titus [X]: Compared to RC I pref 6 over 5. Cop alone is better than double vig IMO, but partially because im not confident enough to vig recklessly.

Lady Eventide (Evenstar + Lillaire)[X]: Re: 771. The only strong personal attack that was made was Eph calling Mercury a bad person. Regardless, you admitted you barely read the exchange, context matters. SS Venus notices the same in 785. T&E 865 vote doesn't make sense; even if it is interpreted as "scum will slaughter" its not vote worthy compared to things that has happened this game. Vote on me in 927 is weird. Why am I your priority?

I really don't like the vibe Evenstar is tossing. It reads scum trying to flex to showcase how good he is in front of lilaire to get out of the lynch. But by virtue of this added pressure, Evenstar is more stressed, and posts are being more absurd. Can you comment? How does having SO as hydra here impact your gameplay, you think?

gameplay506 [X]: remains town @814, literally by virtue of reading not for the sake of incriminating. "I read Dr Do's read on [titus] which i disagree", which makes sense since my town read for titus was pretty flimsy

[DrDolittle]

I don't have a read one way or the other on bit outside of the direct pivot from his building wagon into the votes on sailor via sailor vs Ephraim. It implicates maybe LE but that's not as solid as the bit deflection itself.

does that relate at all to the bitmap LE vote just now in any way?

[DrDolittle]

sure I am asking that too.

[DrDolittle]

no problem. I'm a little surprised at that you reading bitmap scum for something that happened some time ago, and titus-town reasoning all the way from single digit pages.

any thoughts on Eventide vote hopping, Chaos wind, or Ephriam's lamenting how mods are unfair to him?

[DrDolittle]

@ Dann - I see, I was reading it as, "Evenstar please do something. Anything?", but what you say makes sense.

@ Titus - ? Can you explain your last post?

@ RCE - that's reasonable. So your style of hunting requires information processing that doesn't come immediately, right?

[DrDolittle]

im sorry i he/she wronged you eventide - hydras make gendering hard. but 1022 I don't think is a town post. There's some objective faults such as 1) I was your second vote after Bitmap, and 2) what I'm posting are not walls, its ISOs without the quotes. I mean, with a game advancing so fast, it's kind of necessary to do it. My "fluff" as you say are when I'm online and can directly engage. 3) Not sure why you unvoted since I continued that pattern, and are vote hopping around so much.

@LE: is it that your reads are changing that frequently?

[DrDolittle]

christ I need to catch up again

[DrDolittle]

The theory they put forwards is that the tana/senshi fight was staged/inflamed to distract from the bitmap wagon. If so, then either A: Senshi and/or Tana have excellent acting skills in order to stage that, or B: Dannfor was an instigator from the sidelines. Having reread that section, B seems far more plausible to me.

Unless Eventide claims Clark Kent and can cop+autovig + revive a dead townie. I'm probably not unvoting here today. Most of her reads/votes are so terrible (e.g. one on Croag when there's so much action; the one on Dann that didn't make any sense, and as soon as dann response, she doesn't talk anymore), but this one takes the cake: there was like 1 or 2 votes on Bitmap + Dannflor was not instigating anything and telling everyone to calm down + needs a Bitmap Dann scumteam, which each by itself is relatively unlikely. I don't even know what to say about it.

I agree with Eph's 1165 , high charisma, but her reads are so so awful and make so little sense.

[DrDolittle]

hello everyone

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Tana and Ephraim (Sakura Hana + RadiantCowbells) [X]: Digging up old dirt. What does 1199 mean> Who's reads are TMI? Eph is never loc town after CFJ and FoTM, but their value if they are town is really profound and far outweighs harm if they are scum.

Hidden Happiness (MariaR + Shadoweh) [X]: Playstyle issue on RCE. I really like 1453 (and further derivative's "CW is a bad wagon mostly because we can get so much more information else where." @ HH, LE also voted 3/4 of the playerlist. I like the statement that T&E hasn't done anything out of their town range, but see above

Chaos Wind (Chemist1422 + Eragon) [X] You should probably respond to LE #971 . She and I are both waiting.

was really really welcome given that everyone else was scumreading me at this time, but I feel like chemist ought to have... actually provided, like, reasons here. That they're right about me but give an incoherent reason why feels like an attempt to claim credit for being right when I flip. That they don't actually defend me says that they might actually want me to flip anyway.
Continues to defend me in #975 but continues to fail to make the meta argument I'd expect. Hmmm.

Croag [X]: I can't believe we are talking about Croag at page 67 when the guy has not posted since page 1. He's due for prod replacement anyhow.

Bitmap [X]: Enough people have been oomph about Bitmap that I should probably loop back. But Bitmap + LE are never scum together. And Bitmap I don't think is a Day 1 lynch. There's already enough people that

RCEnigma [X]: i'm content enough with RCE compared o

Dannflor [X]: I absolutely disagree with the "hostile" thrown in Dann's way in lighting up SS vs T&E. In fact, I also thought it was personal attacks, but E cleared it up later on. I also disagree with Dann's readlist in 1558 for a lot of parts, but I respect it.

Sailor Senshi (Shiro + Krazy + Nancy Drew 39) [X]: Your head Mercury has lots of meta w me

Cafe Stile (Tatsuya Kaname + Torque)[X]: I'm vaguely interested in 1488 accusation on me and whether its in good faith, but by what I was saying I don't want to return to it until further notice, so a mental note for myself.

Gamma Emerald [X] vote unvote on rce actually seemed town imo. But the weird Eventide could be town later on in 1100 pinged me. Can you talk about it? What is it that you think town-even has value?

popsofctown [X]: I pegged pops as scum but I'm starting to forget why. I should probably loop back. Nothing pops said recently has really struck me, but I am also just reading really fast.

Katsuki [X]: Kats is NAI either but see me

LLD: "LE's slot is more style than substance." I'd say the opposite.

LE: 1484 "Actions speak louder than words. Votes are town's primary weapons; leaving them idle is not a good thing." If your votes are so fleeting, then they are as if no weapons at all.

[DrDolittle]

HH I want to ask you about RCE-scum

[DrDolittle]

I don't understand your scum read on him. Looping back to your ISO, if I'm interpreting correctly
1 - RCE states the obvious (titus defends herself), or is applying faulty logic (townreading you for scumreading him)
3 - RCE brings up stuff from log time ago.
But these are not smoking guns, and could be very much a playstyle thing (needing to hash all the information). Why is he so big of a scum read to you?

[DrDolittle]

I'm having trouble reconciling their push on me as something scum would do

I just feel like I'm a weird target for their position

Tana and Ephraim (Sakura Hana + RadiantCowbells) [X]
Croag [X]
RCEnigma [X]
Dannflor [X]
Sailor Senshi (Shiro + Krazy + Nancy Drew 39) [X]
popsofctown [X]
DrDoLittle [X]
Lady Lambdadelta [X]
gameplay506 [X]
Katsuki [X]

After the awful SS vote, here are all the people LE has voted so far. That's 10/16

[DrDolittle]

DrD was that list done? The last sentence you have for bit, rce, and kats have me slightly confused (on a grammatical level that made me wonder if you had planned to finish them later or something)

-Merc

which list Merc?

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oh i see. yeah i didnt complete it oops

[DrDolittle]

RCEnigma [X]: i'm content enough with RCE compared to HH. I think it could be a playstyle thing. see 1684.

Katsuki [X]: Kats is NAI either but see me talk about Croag as to why I'm not pushing there. Plus I played with him and remember he was p smart.

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I don't feel like Lady Eventide's posts have been that from town lately. Too mechanical and no scumhunting.

VOTE: Lady Eventide

I don't think S/S bitmap + Eventide makes this post. It's too glaringly true at that time.

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Bitmap [X]: Enough people have been oomph about Bitmap that I should probably loop back. But Bitmap + LE are never scum together. And Bitmap I don't think is a Day 1 lynch. There's already enough people that

You forgot to complete this too i think
-Tana

Thanks Tana. I forgot what I wanted to say, so probably strike it out.

[DrDolittle]

Lady Eventide - They're looking green for me. They're being a bit helpful to twon the way that Sailor Senshi does.

This is how I know you have at most skimmed.

Helpful to town is a gross overstatement. I can agree with there are gems in the rough if you wade through all the dirt but no more

Difference between that and SS is night and day

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Yeah

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Actually, I need to loop back. I dont know why I just said LE has been posting good stuff. It's literally because someone like HH says hey this is OK, but I dont remember whether I found it Ok

[DrDolittle]

Dann is town reading LE for Dann reasons. SS Shiro is town reading for "being genuine" or something along those lines

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I think it's only HH that's saying, hey I think LE is making sense, and then suddenly people starting forming the idea, LE is helping town.

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I looped back, and I do NOT think the Dann case has any merit

Overall, HH seems pretty fence sitting on LE, and the interaction feels a bit exaggerated and forced "oh woe is me I cant believe I'm agreeing with LE".

In that sense, I dont think HH is scummy in herself, but there some weird stuff going on with her and LE

[DrDolittle]

I dont want to directly accuse HH scum tho, that's above my pay grade, but I want to push this out in the open.

[DrDolittle]

interested in more thoughts on this

does anyone else think that LE's previous post does not tonally match the rest of their posting this game at all and could potentially have been written by someone else

Dr. Dolittle is "they" in this post, but was "he" in a previous post. Progress like that generally doesn't usually revert. So that is fun for your theory. But I am the world's worst alt exposer and am probably little help for determining it's a different writer on the basis of tone.

Pops everyone in that post is a they

[DrDolittle]

What's the town tell

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I only glanced at the HH saga but I agree with E.

I can see one person thinking LE is town (like Dan a couple pages ago), but when both heads are clamoring this hard for LE hard town, and saying their posts are a beacon of light, I am suspicious.

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That's why I want to see whether SS's tell has any merit, or is it simply an ABR 7/7

[DrDolittle]

Does Celica/Maria head AtE as scum?

[DrDolittle]

can someone who is good at mafia theory tell me how I should interpret that there has not been a sucessful counterwagon with more than 3/4 votes?

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Bitmap you should confirm yourself tonight I think.

[DrDolittle]

that you transform to IC?

[DrDolittle]

How many nights of transformation do you need bitmap

[DrDolittle]

So you will get mod confirmed tomorrow

[DrDolittle]

Bitmap you should confirm yourself tonight I think.

So why is this post an issue

[DrDolittle]

Arguing about this is dumb. We reached agreement that you should transform tonight.

[DrDolittle]

Town don't target Bitmap tonight.

[DrDolittle]

Switch becomes miller to lose godfather and that becomes a scum claim

[DrDolittle]

My personal preferred lynch pool.
LLD.
RCE.
Maybe DDL.
Maybe a lurker that's not Katsuki.

What a lynchpool

[DrDolittle]

Reviewing Dr Dolittle again, their attitude towards HH is weird and appeasey while throwing shade. [1]

Cafe Stile also thinks they look bad. [2]

The hostile interactions between Dolittle and those who read me town, from both directions, are worth pausing and considering, [3]

as is their assertion that "become miller" -> "lose godfather" is all that's necessary to make my claim a scum one. [3.5]

Their reactions to Bitmap's claim also look like overcorrection to me. [4]

They also tell town not to target Bit tonight, which is blatant NA direction. [5]

If town, I guess this is a watcher/transporter/targeted veteran soft, but I think both of these are unlikely; we likely have both me and a sane cop already in a 17p setup, a Watcher seems like excessive investigative firepower; and "targeted PGO" is not a role I've seen much if at all. Transporter/deflector I guess is possible, but is often a scum role; I also have difficulty with why Dolittle would bother to say this, as no investigatives other than maybe watcher/voyeur ought to be targetting Bit tonight anyway. [6]

[1] I cannot be more transparant towards my read towards HH. I stated why I was suspect of her, but I needed restraint because I know she has a reputation for being good scum player. Then other people were suspect of her, and I reinforced why I don't like the slot's interaction with you from a different numbers perspective.

[2] What does that have anything to do with your read? If CS wants to engage me I'm here.

[3] I literally said I respect Dann's reason to TR you, and gave reasons why I don't like HH's townreading you. Why are you misrepping me and saying I'm hostile towards everyone who townreads you.

[3.5] It's not a gotcha. It's saying the miller thing can easily be falsified, which is entirely true.

[4] What reaction? I said Bitmap should use his thing, which he agrees on. I've also not been stating any reads on Bitmap, so I don't know what over-correction you are talking about.

[5] I'm not interested in your rolefishing of me.

[6] See 5.

Every single post of yours is so scummy, especially when you're talking about me. I have no interest in engaging with you anymore, and my vote is not going to be moved off you.

[DrDolittle]

CS you have two posts on me. One is here.

evidence that I'm reading.

Tana and Ephraim (Sakura Hana + RadiantCowbells) [X]: arrogance 401 reminds me of town, i like the pops push, I'm ok with the interaction with SS, but there's definitely some hokey: i.e. FoTM.

Bitmap [X]: lean town - I liked her grasp on eventide + I think the culling of discussion on game play is fair.

RCEnigma [X]: i think voting, inactive is typically scum as in 452.

Dannflor [X]: mmm, weak town read, but 533 interests me. does scum dan take a consiliatory tone towards his scum reads? his flop between SS-town vs scum makes me wary but could be cause he's a nice fellow.

Sailor Senshi (Shiro + Krazy + Nancy Drew 39) [X]: Nothing AI imo. But I'm town reading for [redacted] reasons

Gamma Emerald [X]: town, like the action of 383 attacking LLD, I also think pages 18-19 attacking bitmap is town driven, as agreement with most of the people. I liked his mediation - that was in good faith. Might be my strongest town read at the moment.

popsofctown [X]: lean scum, vote switch galore, hop on bitmap was no good imo. Other reasons here or there

Titus [X]: town, push lurkers, solid interaction with rc, etc.

Lady Eventide (Evenstar + Lillaire)[X]: scummy. but weak scummy, as discussed by bitmap and Dann. I thought "liliare felt bad" was town, but still nothing substantial by any means.

gameplay506 [X]: 714's summary is lame, but it's probably a town summary.

Whoever was saying this post is villagery, uh what?
Too lazy to read into contexts, but these reads are safe reads, and the reasoning are mostly weak or wishywashy
Just - I don't get the sense that this is a post made to show progress on reads, but more like "yo im here im doing things" that comes more from scum

hmm

Eventide's vote on SS is pretty shoddy. being pressured leading to spat is a terribly weak reason to scum read people... what do you want, that after being pressured you just lay down and die?

I don't think gameplay is scum, but please don't use personal RL stuff as a point of attack.

If Eventide would flip scum, Titus's (hello titus!) attack on gameplay is very much chainsaw.

That last line pings wolf
It doesn't do anything in terms of pressuring Eva, and Titus is his townread. It doesn't make sense for town with those sets of reads to shade Titus and Eva here
Titus attacked on gameplay before Eva even posted so it wasn't even correct

The first is just a simple catch up read list, when I go through the posts and put brief comments on what was happening to other players, as well as my general thoughts. It's not supposed to be well thought out or smoking gun.

The second is also that, Titus attacking gameplay was absolutely chainsaw, and I called it out as is, because it's hypocritical. And if you have been reading, you should note that I have focused on LE + other player interactions, such as Gamma as well, and I too townread gamma. The goal wasn't to pressure Eva in that post. It's to make a statement, and note for future interactions.



THe second one is when I tried to flush out a strange HH + LE interaction.

I looped back, and I do NOT think the Dann case has any merit

Overall, HH seems pretty fence sitting on LE, and the interaction feels a bit exaggerated and forced "oh woe is me I cant believe I'm agreeing with LE".

In that sense, I dont think HH is scummy in herself, but there some weird stuff going on with her and LE

why is DDL being townread

this post is just
calling out Maria but at the same time it's not
It doesnt do shit

- Hideri

Here, I call out HH, and note that if LE flips scum, HH could be scum as well. Why do you say this doesn't do anything?

[DrDolittle]

Can I just remind everyone that LE has voted more than half this player list this day calling them scum?

Almost all of them with shoddy reasoning?

it was scum 50 pages ago. It's still scum.

Thanks for coming to my ted talk.

[DrDolittle]

If anyone else thinks LE's 2481 or subsequent post has merit then I'll respond. Otherwise I'm holding up and not going to talk to her.

[DrDolittle]

Town don't target Bitmap tonight.

Why?

It's related to my role, but

I'm rescinding this.

[DrDolittle]

hello i see there's been another ted talk

[DrDolittle]

DDL WAGON NEVER STICKED WHILE EVAS DID FOR FIVE YEARS

what does that mean in mafia theory and why am i scum in that case

[DrDolittle]

no i turned up cause its 5pm and im off work

[DrDolittle]

okay i think you lose

[DrDolittle]

i think you lose vs anyone actually

[DrDolittle]

im not interested in dealing with you or having you rage at me.

[DrDolittle]

If so they can ask me directly

[DrDolittle]

@CS, then the burden is on you to show consistently at most 3 people are diverting pressure away from me. Who are these people?

[DrDolittle]

Because I'm certainly not directing away from myself, and am completely open in answering questions.

[DrDolittle]

My immediately reaction is your argument is not correct, and is not done in good faith.

[DrDolittle]

We are going to lynch

but 4 scum in a row.

[DrDolittle]

Dear LE would you engage with me?

[DrDolittle]

Oh you mean the reasons why we should be lynching DDL? Yeah I should've figured that was what you meant.
A) He's made very fence sitting posts. The one time he made a 'reads list' was a pretty half assed one at that.
B) His whole defense to this whole dome feels very LAMIST. Like he's trying to fake his mood and it just comes off wrong.
C) I'm very surprised it took this long for a real DDL wagon to pop up when if he was town I think he'd have been pushed long ago

A) The fence sitting post I've made is only on your LE-interactions. That's because I am self-aware of my scum hunting ability, and don't think I can get you as scum. I've been completely townreading you up to when you made that weird LE post, and then I doubled back, hence the hesitation.

B) Defense against myself? Can you back this up - when have I LAMIST? My mood this game, other than once getting upset at LE for a complete horseshit argument on me, has been fairly light-hearted about this game.

C) There's been mild pushes on me but unsuccessful. If I were TOWN, shouldn't I be pushed more earlier since scum would have an easier target?

[DrDolittle]

oh bad englsih

[DrDolittle]

That would definitely make the person to hammer is scum prophecy come true.

[DrDolittle]

you called me "YOU OBNOXIOUS SAC OF BEAR TURD" and my feelings are hurt

[DrDolittle]

ddl is obvtown btw

you read me right in access point, and the game where i was modkilled Mini 2042 I think, but wrong in cat art and fire on the mountain

[DrDolittle]

i dont see why not

[DrDolittle]

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A result of same on me and DDL would turn the entire game on its head again. A result of different would mean they're confscum. Win Win IMO.

[DrDolittle]

so

we're looking for the very few town in

Titus
Cafe Stile
RCE
HH
SS
Chaos Wind
Croag
LLD

to hammer

town in this list you can do it!

[DrDolittle]

IF LLD, SAILOR AND HH ARE ALL TELLING YOU SOMETHING, MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, THAT SOMETHING IS TRUE?

what about the 8 people voting you

scum obviously all 8 of them. including the one that will hammer.

[DrDolittle]

3k baby

[DrDolittle]

let's go with 9.2

Ugh fine I will trust you over myself but you better be right >.>

vote:Lade Eventide

[DrDolittle]

torque coming in changes you 9.8 to less than a 5? That doesn't sound like a 9.8 to begin with bud.

i still think LE flips scum.

[DrDolittle]

8 wish to disclose that Dr lied about his flavour and I am mad


SS Venus

??

[DrDolittle]

I did not. Why would I, on flavor no less - I town read you.
Maybe scum pulled a sneaky on you

[DrDolittle]

Mako from Kill la Kill

[DrDolittle]

FYI i didn't even transform last night

[DrDolittle]

why is it that when shiro posts gifs is cute and comforting and when I do it its weeb shit.

[DrDolittle]

so i can gladiate someone once to vanillaize them for a night. but since it's gladiating, it requires people to vote, so I might as well outsource the target to everyone as well.

[DrDolittle]

im thinking tentatively T&E or bitmap, but taking suggestions.

[DrDolittle]

you're asking me as if i know the answer

[DrDolittle]

its a joke...

[DrDolittle]

echoing the last eod posts

[DrDolittle]

who's clear so far to you: bitmap, gameplay, yourself, anyone else?

[DrDolittle]

But I do have more reads.

I suspect that

CS
Bitmap
Chaos Wind
Dann
Pops

contains at least 3 scum in it.

[...]

LLD can you explain like

Any of your reads

-Wind

I think LLD is town from this.

[DrDolittle]

Im willing to gladiate pops but i dunno whether he's my strongest scum read

[DrDolittle]

FMPOV SS is town

[DrDolittle]

Just caught up
Lets fkin lynch LE and end this shit
I think she is all very fake and not genuine at all
T&E is good imo
Gamma is still meh
Pops is good
HH is good

So people townread gamma for some tone bullshit or that attack on Bitmap
Ok sure, I won't stay alone on that
Titus has degraded(upgraded?) to a slight scumlean now from a stronger one. She might just be having abysmal reads and odd gameplay as people have been saying.
Pops is a bit better now. Haven't really read too much into her tbf.
Lady E has been my only read that I have had no progress with.

VOTE: Lady E

W/e
VOTE: Gamma
Only serious gameplay from now

These are the three posts where gameplay sorta posted reads before CS gave him the shots

[DrDolittle]

i wonder whether CS giving the shot to you, gameplay, and the gamma shot was forced by CS, so that in EV terms, your shot is more likely to kill town

[DrDolittle]

i think my posited scenario is likely, VOTE: CS

[DrDolittle]

actually maybe not. I still have to figure out this whole CW neighborhood thing UNVOTE:

[DrDolittle]

i dont like your lynchpool because im in it

[DrDolittle]

CS can you discuss why Gameplay was required to kill gamma emerald?

[DrDolittle]

Croag is my muse

[DrDolittle]

What's your status rn? Can I vanillaize the dead out of you?

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Can you stop asking about Gamma.
Cafe doesn't know why, its all my role. I told you - I either had to kill both or none.
I checked CW's iso and some of Chemist's past games and those had me mostly convinced that he was scum.
But as I said last minute GiF was like "Oh you you can't do that" so eh

Oh ok I thought you were gifted the kill

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The loser of the glaciation gets vanillaized, not killed

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So you really believe that?

Need more information on what the buff is

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dumb q but whats the difference between lynching and vigging

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as in in terms of their outcomes

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i want to gladiate some punks

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Damn I'm not cleared?

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I want to gladiate HH. Anyone oppose to that?

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I can do CS or RCE too

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man i thought the LE mislynch hit me hard.

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im not too interested in voting pops
VOTE: rce

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Nah I don't like complaining, thanks.

Anyway for anyone still wanting to scumread CS for Gamma's death there is no way that CS could've know that Gamma would die as well since I myself even wasn't aware that he would die. GiF informed me of that like 2 hours before openning the day so.

I'm still hung up on this.

so you have ability A that's a vig role, and used A to vig CW. But then before day start, for some reason, mod told you hey you need to also kill gamma if you want to use A. and you are like wtf??? nowhere in A does it say that I need to vig gamma? Am I interpreting it right

let me know if you just want me to stfu since otherwise it will reveal too much of your role pm

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I dont care for the number of shots gameplay has. All I want is a yes no regarding my interpretation

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Is role stoppers like the VT of UPicks?

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I think RCE/HH is the right play today. Then we evaluate claims via Croag Pops and others.

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At the very least it keeps up the tempo of this game idk

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VOTE: HH
domo arigato mr roboto domo

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That's at least L-1 btw. could be lynch already too depending on if anyone else was on HH before T&E

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Me and the boys (and girls) on the HH wagon

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Why are you not dead t&e

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My read as of right now is that RcE was town by the way, and that it's exactly HH/CS/DDL in that order of certainty.

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Is that a derailing of the wagon?

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Are you town tho

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UNVOTE:

Dannflor pls explain this

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Lmao I think pops redirect me to myself which is why I’m hated

Were you notified of this or you think it's what happened

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RCE. Firstl unvote after his lunch

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What you have 3 votes one is hidden?

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CS and SS should both be town. Scum would be a bit more careful if its their partner wagoned like that

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Gameplay should be town for his shooting of CW. LLD + Kats are masoning each other. Titus claimed Vig, that seems like a town role. Oversoul should be town. Mariah did scumread RCE hard + triplevoter seems a very town role. That leaves

Tana and Ephraim
Croag
Dannflor

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yeah i believe that. T&E should be still town from the day 1 night kill

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but why did it do the shit where T&E is dead... Psyche! rather than just give you 1-shot bulletproof or something.

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This has to be my favorite part of the VC:

VC 1.11 (3811/final)
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Croag (1): Croag

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Not sure if scum kills pops with that second shot. I'll ISO RCE

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Dannflor looking real bad on that VCA

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Relevant posts

If anything Dann playing all sides in a short span of time is worth dissecting

I hardly think voting Senshi and then rethinking it after the fight is "playing all sides." If anything I pretty definitively took Ephraim's side. Also, your assertion that Bitmap vs. Gamma was poised to be a focal point is silly. Virtually no one else was interested in that spat, and both me and Tana said it was not productive.

RCE, do you have opinion not concerning this theory of yours? What are your reads right now, specifically Lady E?

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I think DDL is town now

I should reconsider LE

Shotgun reads I have pops, Titus, gameplay, ddl, mayyyybe Katsuki.

Town leans on HH, gamma (if bit flips scum), LE (I don't know how much of it is because I truly agree with her stances or because of the re evaluation on my slot.)

I would still flip bit, the rest of the lurkers, chaos, CS today.

HH calling out the reads on T&E is +town. Approaching that slot is weird because direct confrontation gets you into a situation like sailor faced earlier and just ignoring their alignment sets up a fear Lynch down the line if they're town and it plays into their favor if scum since slots are just expecting scum to deal with them. It opens up wifom.

VOTE: HH

VOTE: HH if I'm not already.

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Dannflor looking real bad on that VCA

wait why
he was on rce
titus actually wasnt

because he tried unvoting nakedly after RCE was lynched and we didn't realize it (so effectively assumed as L-1)

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The zeal of RCE on HH makes me think HH is town

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Other than that I'm concerned about LLD and Katsuki. Both of them are not obv town, and they mason read each other.

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I'm going Dannflor
VOTE: Dannflor

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dont look at oversoul's transformation if you dont want to be upset gameplay

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yeah its so bad that i might retract my town read there

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shooting pops sounds like a town vig play

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but CS convinced me otherwise

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do you agree with my other reads on that post tho?

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there's like 23 roleblockers, why wouldnt there be another vig?

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fypov titus is conf scum to you?

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7 gauges was used last night.

wonder if you win by counting transformations

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Wtf I have to shoot rc again?! That's BS.

you actually might need to shoot him twice since his revival is recharged

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I think voting dann is real solid

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his turnaround on LE is also big oof

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My gut instinct is that this is not a town ability on RC+Sakura's slot.

I'm just questioning whether I wanna spend like 5 days trying to lynch this slot while being screamed at tbh.

Life is hard rn lol

im extremely paranoid its another fire on the mountain.

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I don't know what that means

its this 300 page slogfest (think no flips at night) where rc bullied away to a scum win

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SS did

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Cafe Stiles?

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^ you're wrong

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who?

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oh that? I corrected it a couple pages ago if you cared enough to read.

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yeah I could see it

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dann who's scum fypov

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What's the bad stuff

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Because DF thought it was L-1 after HH said so and invited to release pressure

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I was motivated in this game and now I'm not anymore

@gameplay its mako, wasnt it obvious by day 2?

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Ss is obviously not reading and interpreting my posts in bad faith

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Which head spam posted all that crap?

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Just for future references

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No me

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I mean I wasnt the one posting 8 times thinking Kats scumclaimed over his stupid joke on shooting E

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You posed to me 2 qs

DDL, is your solve me/Croag rnow?

No, that was a PoE solve. I'm unsure about titus and CS told me, and uncertainty lies in kats LLD

How does me unvoting RCE at fake L-1 make me scum DDL

Titus, why did you shoot pops? I thought I was next in your PoE

Like DDL, do you actually think I as scum, wagon my partner to L-1, and THEN just naked unvote?

I answered this. Yes.

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I think you didnt realize how many votes Rce had and unvoted after HH said L minus 1.

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Like CS and SS voted last and as scum would have been counting, but you voted earlier and could not be aware

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Let me ask you. What do you think of my PoE then

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Dont we remember that CS was hooded by CW and the hood strongly suggest CS town...

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I'll respond to rcs shitty case on me later

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lol calling your case bad is gaslighting

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I thought you were scum reading CS yesterday tho

today new information came in

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like I don't understand the progression of

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>>> [oops he's at L-1 nvm i dont wanna bus]

This happens quite a bit. I put a scum vote on my partner to create distance and look good on VCA in case he flips.
Oh shit, he's close to being lynched
Let me furtively unvote. A new wagon should be in the horizon.

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like I don't understand the progression of

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>>> [oops he's at L-1 nvm i dont wanna bus]

This happens quite a bit. I put a scum vote on my partner to create distance and look good on VCA in case he flips.
Oh shit, he's close to being lynched
Let me furtively unvote. A new wagon should be in the horizon.

yeah and looking back that was explicitly after rc said he's not interested in RCE

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ok

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Here's the case

Unless Eventide claims Clark Kent and can cop+autovig + revive a dead townie. I'm probably not unvoting here today. Most of her reads/votes are so terrible (e.g. one on Croag when there's so much action; the one on Dann that didn't make any sense, and as soon as dann response, she doesn't talk anymore), but this one takes the cake: there was like 1 or 2 votes on Bitmap + Dannflor was not instigating anything and telling everyone to calm down + needs a Bitmap Dann scumteam, which each by itself is relatively unlikely. I don't even know what to say about it.

[1]

i think that defining your unvote condition by a claim (which is effectively nai) is scummy and shows that you're not actually reading for alignment.

HH I want to ask you about RCE-scum

I don't understand your scum read on him. Looping back to your ISO, if I'm interpreting correctly
1 - RCE states the obvious (titus defends herself), or is applying faulty logic (townreading you for scumreading him)
3 - RCE brings up stuff from log time ago.
But these are not smoking guns, and could be very much a playstyle thing (needing to hash all the information). Why is he so big of a scum read to you?

[2]

DDL defends RcE as well and in a way that doesn't feel all that good faith

Lady Eventide - They're looking green for me. They're being a bit helpful to twon the way that Sailor Senshi does.

This is how I know you have at most skimmed.

Helpful to town is a gross overstatement. I can agree with there are gems in the rough if you wade through all the dirt but no more

Difference between that and SS is night and day

[3]

think this is both S indicative and SvS indicative.

i wonder whether CS giving the shot to you, gameplay, and the gamma shot was forced by CS, so that in EV terms, your shot is more likely to kill town

i think my posited scenario is likely, VOTE: CS

actually maybe not. I still have to figure out this whole CW neighborhood thing UNVOTE:

[4]

and then this is just not gr8

[1]: reading this is a clear hyperbole. I'm essentially saying I'm not unvoting LE, because clearly she's clearly not OP clark kent. Yet poor reading comprehension points to that I'm unvoting based on claims.

[2]: I ask about HH's RCE scumread. I don't defend him, and I don't think I have. I know for a fact that I don't read RCE well, and his playstyle pings scummy to me, and it's exactly what I bring up to understand. Keep in mind at that time I had HH as a town read, and RCE as largely null.

[3]: I too can pull up a random interaction between my top two scum reads and just call it "think this is both S indicative and SvS indicative." Thank you for your contribution and for coming to my ted talk. I'm pretty sure CS is flipping green too, and I'm really hoping the outcome of this game brings you an ego check. Like next time, when you say youre god gifts to mafia, we point to Magic girls and say wow but he was wrong 4 days in a row.

[4]: Me literally giving my transparent thought process on why I thought CS is potentially scum. There's the gameplay interaction and the CW interaction to process. There's me processing it. What's not great about it.

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how is calling your case on me bad offensive in any way. Even if you disagree with [2] - [4], [1] is objectively a bad case

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also when do you ever take it with " equanimity" and not "actually express my feelings on it"...

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every other respected townie has been wrong at least 4 days in a row

Yeah but you say shit like: wow I get day 1 right 60 percent of the time, and if i get day 1 wrong i get day 2 right 100 percent of the time, and ive never made it to day 3 and im the best scumhunter and gods gift in mafia.

literally this game.

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I thought you were scum reading CS yesterday tho

today new information came in

what was this information

that psyche, it was RCE that was lynched days ago and HH is still alive.

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like all these posts about bringing me an ego check. they're objectively, consistently, what scum hide behind to discredit me. read any of my recent games and see scum saying shit like that constantly to try to get my goat.
why do i have to deal with town making the exact same sort of obviously and objectively bad faith arguments scum do and be forced to try to sort whether they come from town or scum?

how are any of the arguments I make bad faith? Maybe against [3], but there's nothing I else I can say about it in good faith

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I believe you are good, in fact one of the best, but you just go screeching everytime someone has an alternative opinion, and start bring out how good you are and thats so annoying. why can't i be happy that that "how good you are" would be knocked down a bit in the future

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explain to me why this changed your read of CS

CS if he was scum would know that RCE was lynched and HH's count is wrong, I think. Yet her posting afterwards leads me to think otherwise.

Also sorry Dann that I'm bad and project my bad scumplay onto you.

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i'm only as respected as my performance dictates and probably respected a lot less than my performance dictates given the general distaste a lot of people seem to have for em.

Let's talk about this game and your scum read on me. If you are willing to make your case in good faith, then I can also respond against it in good faith (you know an actual mafia game). But if you just say hi im the best my reads are never wrong, theres nothing to respond to, what else can people say.

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And I responded to it in the last page, and then you said I railed against you in bad faith

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what are you talking about. Why do you have a problem iwth 4811 and 4807

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4811 is a perfectly reasonable response to 4809. and 4807 is right. Or tell me why [1] is "good" in any way

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are you delusional? I've been nothing but courteous the whole way and you keep saying im doing things in bad faith wtf.

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man

every other respected townie has been wrong at least 4 days in a row

yet i'm expected to hit scum on the earliest phases of the game with insane regularity and when i don't i get shit on for it?

stfu I'm the personification of perfection.

Hold up SS Mars might come in and tell you all the time you've been wrong.

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^ that, that's bad faith

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its a joke... about how bad you are recognizing jokes. in particular about how kats is joking about shooting rc... that you missed yet again

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to be fair le declared 1v1 vs half the playerlist so obviously there's 3 towns in there. so that's an unfair characterization

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4811 is a perfectly reasonable response to 4809. and 4807 is right. Or tell me why [1] is "good" in any way

I'm waiting for a response to this, in why 4811 and 4807 is done in bad faith

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I don’t like how DDL is pushing what reads to me like an NAI thing this hard.

on the contrary the information from wow RCE is lynched instead of HH is key in breaking apart this game.

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im glad to hear that titus.