Magical Girls UPick - Heart of Shadow (Game Over)

[Gamma Emerald]

Tana and Ephraim (Sakura Hana + RadiantCowbells)

Yes.
@DDL:

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: croag

only way to win

UNVOTE: croagUNVOTE:

jk

You heard the man

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: RCEnigma
guess we've got ourselves a hard 1v1 on our hands

Looks like I have the high ground.

You gonna be complacent about then when like three quarters of us can fly

What

[Gamma Emerald]

prod dodge

NASTY
Also if I'd known what Sakura and RC were going to do in advance I 100% would have paged FL to hydra with me

[Gamma Emerald]

prod dodge

NASTY
Also if I'd known what Sakura and RC were going to do in advance I 100% would have paged FL to hydra with me

What is this supposed to mean
-Tana

If I'd known you'd make a FE themed hydra I would have hydra'd with the person who I already have one with

[Gamma Emerald]

im not in this game.

this is just a ego post.

but also a hi post.

but also a post about the existential crisis of existing in this thread.

GOOD DAY

I will not push FB because of this post
I will not push FB because of this post
I will not push FB because of this post
I will not push FB because of this post
I will not push FB because of this post

[Gamma Emerald]

Pops ur weird
I'll sheep you
VOTE: Titus

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk most players have been joking but Titus is the only one who left an odd feeling in me
Same with bitmap but replace odd with good

Oof sorry if I'm being too serious and ruining the fun, I will go back to my rl now

Ok 5 bucks based on everything that's happened gameplay is seriously scum here. Bitmap's likely scum or useful to them.

VOTE: Gameplay

RC's voting based on vendetta.
Pops is voting to get a reaction.
Cafe getting a counter wagon going in RVS isn't an issue at all. I might have done the same.

Gameplay's posting however is over justified. Titus has an "odd" feeling. Bitmap has a "good" feeling. Yet he breaks the posting up into several posts and is real defensive about it.

Pops, real life does suck. I'd rather not think about it. I put it elsewhere but there's real high odds I'm getting a divorce.

If you think pops is reaction fishing what's your take on my vote

[Gamma Emerald]

RC does his being RC thing.

Well this is gonna get confusing fast
-Tana

Hm?

[Gamma Emerald]

What you are doing the last page is ew
I am vote parking here

How
I think Titus makes decent points and your react feel like covering your ears and shouting "NUH UH!"
VOTE: gameplay

[Gamma Emerald]

She's much more carefree as a villager but it's not like that here

Idk if I agree with this

[Gamma Emerald]

That makes sense on the surface

[Gamma Emerald]

gameplay's posting seems a little weak-willed and forced

[Gamma Emerald]

Um is this MCU Loki or which Loki is this

[Gamma Emerald]

That's the joke

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok

[Gamma Emerald]

Any input on my interpretation of your play in post 202

[Gamma Emerald]

Um is this MCU Loki or which Loki is this

Loki is named after the original Norse character itself. He does not resort to trickery quite as often but sometimes he waits until Pandora starts eating then pulls the foodbowl to a new position with his paw to pull a fast one on her.

What.

What is this the refrance

[Gamma Emerald]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loki
Loki is the name of a Norse God

Pandora isn't Norse though, she's Greek

[Gamma Emerald]

What input do you want me to give?
You think my posts are forced, I don't, can't really argue any further there
Maybe they are weak-willed. Tho I don't see how that is scum indicative in any way?
Overall I think it was a pretty meh sheep and I am bit a wary

Interesting you choose to call a read I was challenged to make on my own a sheep

[Gamma Emerald]

I'd say abilities should be rated as like the NRG would. So cop and watch as probably some of the best, tracker as a lower choice, vig as swingy high power, etc.

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to be risky and try for a scenario where townies with crappy abilities don't transform and townies with powerful abilities transform and we don't overheat. Worst case scenario our sane cop works every other nightbecause we overheat, best case scenario she acts every night. With the leashing, both best and worst case scenario is every other night.


Pandora and Loki are both represented as dark attribute characters in puzzles and dragons, and are both black. So that's why I picked the names.

Both their mythologies are kind of about subverted expectations.

Btw ok

[Gamma Emerald]

What input do you want me to give?
You think my posts are forced, I don't, can't really argue any further there
Maybe they are weak-willed. Tho I don't see how that is scum indicative in any way?
Overall I think it was a pretty meh sheep and I am bit a wary

Interesting you choose to call a read I was challenged to make on my own a sheep

What

Cafe Stile asked what my own opinion on you was. Despite that, you call my reas on you a "sheep". Why is that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also some can't transform night 1 possibly throwing things off.

Why do you say this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Although I was tempted to avoid talking about you and RC all together given you just scumread whoever pushes you

That's... not wrong.
-Tana

My logic with you is this: Even if I hate every post you make
A) If you're town scum will probably shoot you because they think RC is a god at the game or something
B) If you're scum well I'm sure people will paranoia lynch you in time.
Although I'd rather go with option C but I doubt that happens
pedit: I think me trying to read you guys is a waste of time.

What us this option C

[Gamma Emerald]

My hydra partner. Also called Mistress. Or Nine if we sign our posts.

I'll be signing my posts with
~Celica

OHHHHHHHH. I saw that account in the first attempt of MD and wondered who it was

[Gamma Emerald]

Honestly I think if townies just use some basic common sense things should work out fine

[Gamma Emerald]

actually bitmap you know what youre right VOTE: eventide

@Eph to bitmap about his gut.

I thought about it some more, saw what people said, and came to the conclusion as of now, that talking about game mechanics is probably not the best idea.

I don't feel like saying more about it.

I kinda feel you're trying to close a can of worms here

[Gamma Emerald]

Well Sailor might be scum.

VOTE: Sailor

Talk about this, it feels sudden

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Dannflor is town. He's taking initiative and leading wagons. Scum doesn't do that.

Talk about this? Why do you say this with certainty?

[Gamma Emerald]

That was from Ephraim, sorry.

Honestly I think you two are different enough you don't need to sign

[Gamma Emerald]

Like that's such a shitty question actually.

"can you give reads" on page 14 when I'm literally saying I have more interest in my video game.

You want me to give an opinion on a specific thing, quote it and point me at it.

But don't fucking like

"READS LUL" me like you're some kind of low effort poster.

You definitely seem to be taking things out of context in this interaction, just saying

[Gamma Emerald]

LLD's entrance is good enough.

Agreed on this

[Gamma Emerald]

Was that Tana or Ephraim?

BL3 doesn't have crossplatform play, I only have PC and PS4

I think all T&E posts about LLD are E

[Gamma Emerald]

And like, I think "your reasons to scumread me are valid so I don't scumread you for it and I'll do better layer and -justification for why you scumread me-" is a pretty typical scum response.

Disagree, at least on my side, I think town!me is more inclined to look at myself and be self-critical

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh looks like someone's getting punished real fucking soon

[Gamma Emerald]

That makes sense I think @pops

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

IIIIIIT'S PUNISHMENT TIIIIME!

Bitmap, I find it quite peculiar you think scum wouldn't lead a wagon. Because you seemed to be convinced I was scum by voting patterns after I led the Chemist lynch in Hidden Speezy, which goes against your professed logic here. Obviously you're being dishonest somewhere and you were town that game so: get rekt kiddo.

Vote Bitmap

[Gamma Emerald]

I think Dannflor is town. He's taking initiative and leading wagons. Scum doesn't do that

This read: if you believe this why did you push me for that in Hidden Speezy? Either you're scum here or admitting you pushed a dishonest lynch in that game, in which case I'm entirely within my right to not trust any read you post here.

[Gamma Emerald]

None, but that doesn't change the fact that you are reading him on a principle that you don't seem to believe in. What's to stop you from backtracking that when Dann ends up on multiple mislynches, if that's your excuse?

[Gamma Emerald]

It's not cherry picking when the fact is you pushed me at all for the thing you're calling Dann town for now. And that was a bullshit idea in the first place anyway, honestly what you say here is more accurate on a general basis but the issue is your personal cognitive dissonance.

[Gamma Emerald]

Secondly, your reads were really bad that last game that I'm pretty sure you only hit town when there were 4 scum.

Ali praising my play postgame says fucking otherwise.

And I only led on Chemist, so fuck off with your lies. Maybe if you didn't act as Alisae's agency capture Reck+UT may have received valid pressure.

[Gamma Emerald]

And I don't see how that game affected you as badly as you say

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe but Bitmap is outright lying about my actions that game, so I don't want to see either of you covering for him.

[Gamma Emerald]

*cough* they were both scum *cough*

Did I say they weren't? I said if you didn't tie yourself to Ali so hard lynching those two might have not been so disliked.

[Gamma Emerald]

They might have, but imo your interaction with Ali killed that option

[Gamma Emerald]

And talk about me BSing a guess at what might have happened when you are deliberately lying about things that DID happen.

[Gamma Emerald]

They might have, but imo your interaction with Ali killed that option

It was never an option.

Anyways, I'm going to move on. If you want to leave your vote on me for that reason then idc.

Going to vote actual scum.

VOTE: pops

If you want me to unvote currently you're going to have to explain the lying

[Gamma Emerald]

The specific lie I take issue with rn is you saying I led shitty push after shitty push. I pushed Ali until switching over to hammer Titus, then led Chemist, than pushed Bambi but was perfectly willing to lynch Shiro with some reasoning, then wasn't really around for the next two, then was forced into pushing Bambi. So I really want to know why you say I did shitty push after shitty push, and how you can call any except of one or maybe two of those a push I led. If you think pulling up VCs will make your insane troll logic clear then go ahead but as I see it you're straight up wrong.

[Gamma Emerald]

Nancy can spew herself town pretty well.

I don't support lynching that right away.

She can spew herself scum just as well.

Yes so why lynch her now

[Gamma Emerald]

Bitmap, I find it quite peculiar you think scum wouldn't lead a wagon. Because you seemed to be convinced I was scum by voting patterns after I led the Chemist lynch in Hidden Speezy, which goes against your professed logic here. Obviously you're being dishonest somewhere and you were town that game so: get rekt kiddo.

You also flipped town that game
-Tana

Yes, that doesn't change the fact Bitmap pushed me
Like, what

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, Gamma's push on Bitmap is bad, but I think it's the town sort of bad.

Like I guess I can understand this but Bitmap lying to discredit me is awful and scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't see him completely flipping his logic because he was wrong like that. He might recalibrate, but he doesn't straight up flip it. That's why I called it out, it didn't look like his logic evolved at all, he just said something completely different to what he said the last game.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah, Gamma's push on Bitmap is bad, but I think it's the town sort of bad.

Like I guess I can understand this but Bitmap lying to discredit me is awful and scummy

I think you should just try focusing on other things for the time being

because even if what you say is 100% true

no one understands it but you two

Fair enough, if fact, I have a question or two for Sailor Senshi
Number one: where has GiF pushed lynching anime-vatars? Second, why the fuck should I care?

[Gamma Emerald]

Sailors I feel like you're trying to make it sound like me v. Bitmap is the only thing happening rn when it really really isn't
I would vote you but at this point I'm feeling like I'm moving it too much

[Gamma Emerald]

Krazy and RC don’t get along which majorly sucks for us.

This feels like news to me but I also feel like I've heard it before

[Gamma Emerald]

OK.

You should be temp banned for that though because it's totally uncalled for. Everything I said was about how you play as the scum alignment vs. how you play as the town alignment. I have not attacked your person directly at all and this is totally unnecessary.

-Mercury

Wow great scum strategy try to pursue modkills on the person calling you out.

That's not the case at all? He said temp ban not modkill

[Gamma Emerald]

574 was a personal attack. I retaliated in kind.

No it really wasn't as I see it
Like yes it is very aggressive but it doesn't attack character at all, he calls your play douchey, not your personality, that's my take

[Gamma Emerald]

Idk who this krazy person

It's DVa if that helps

[Gamma Emerald]

also I lowkey think pops is the real scum here who slipped in an unvote so she could vote on the Senshi wagon later in a more natural / less noticeable way

Definitely agree that both Senshi and T&E both seem like town at this point
They seem to be caught up in hurt feelings which is hurting their ability to sort
RC you know getting upset messes up your game so please try to cool of or smth

[Gamma Emerald]

The difference is that I was upset when I said what I said and lashed out.

Krazy is actively seeking to hurt and upset me with his posting

He has been attacking me nonstop.

Yeah I'm starting see this now
Krazy as your friend I'm asking you to please back off RC, at least in terms of continuing to egg him on. Like yes you have a point about RC being the one to escalate it from your interactions with Sakura but you are the one who seems to be crossing the line over and over at this point

[Gamma Emerald]

Huh did someone just delete a post or am I becoming insane

What

[Gamma Emerald]

Okay, understandable, but his approach was to post those things. Krazy basically used Cunningham's Law. So I think what happened is he saw your questioning as pushing it.

[Gamma Emerald]

Wow, like six pages of useless flaming overnight. Mafia must be laughing and laughing right now.

And it all started with pressure being put on Sailor Senshi, so guess where my vote's going?

VOTE: Sailor Senshi

If the thread explodes when someone gets pressured, >rand they're scum.

This vote sucks real bad
I don't think you actually read those pages

[Gamma Emerald]

FPSing

Why would you need to get a hold of False Peek Stating?

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma Emerald:
Nope I didn't. Why should I? It looks like a mess of AtE at a skim. What useful information do you expect me to extract from it?

I feel like if you actually cared you'd have read, in which case you'd see there's more nuance then your generalistic assumption.

[Gamma Emerald]

If the deadline is reached before the lynch has reached, the day will end with No Lynch, unless mentioned otherwise.

This game uses hammers

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact that both LLD and Katsuki have expressed intent to lurk is beyond concerning and I don't think either slot should be left alive past even day 1 if they are lurking.

Which head made this post?

That was E, all untagged posts are E

[Gamma Emerald]

And @gamma your vote is still on bitmap so is he your top sr or?

He's up there but I haven't really ranked my SRs as of yet
If I were to change my vote it'd probably be to Eventide

[Gamma Emerald]

What's the deal with timeshift

[Gamma Emerald]

Eventidevit looks like you misinterpreted "town slaughter"

[Gamma Emerald]

Eventide, I didn't vote you lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Cop: Scummy in a vague kind of way; I don't like them, I want to see more. I had a better reason but I've lost it somewhere.

Who is this cop person btw
FYI I think your thoughts are okay for now but I haven't really dug into your post at all for underlying logic.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ah thanks

[Gamma Emerald]

[Gamma Emerald]

but I give him a harsh handicap on how townie I expect him to bleed.

What does this mean

[Gamma Emerald]

Promise Breaker

Who this

[Gamma Emerald]

Promise Breaker

Who this

The man who was supposed to fill my life with kittens

Yeah I have no effin idea

[Gamma Emerald]

@RC, I'm going to ask you a series of odd-ball questions bc I think you're town and I have an odd decision to make. These questions aren't exclusive to RC. I do give more priority to townreads and strategic thinkers however.

Rank the utility of the following actions for town. Reasons not required. You may or may not factor in your own pm.

1) A cop and a vig
2) 2 roleblocks
3) 2 cops
4) A roleblock and a vig
5) 2 vigs
6) A roleblock and a cop

3 definitely the strongest then probably 5 and then 1, then 2, then 4 then 6 is the weakest imo.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Bitmap for reasons.

Oh really. Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

Can't help but feel like sailor/Ephraim distracted everyone when bit was becoming a viable wagon.

Okay didn't see this. I have my reason for voting Bitmap but you weren't in that game. So what are yours?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Eventide

Katsuki, please vote Bitmap.

Huh-wuh?

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to see what happens.

Okaaaaaay

[Gamma Emerald]

I want to see what happens.

Okaaaaaay

I have a proxy vote which means I can progress both major wagons while being a net neutral on vca.

Forgot about that

[Gamma Emerald]

RCE kinda feels like he's back seating the issue a little ngl

[Gamma Emerald]

Or is that just a variation of loud?

I think Informing is the proper term

[Gamma Emerald]

Actually RCEnigma, what did

I

do specifically to warrant a scum read and a vote?

Like your scum read on me is based on someone else's actions...

Why aren't you voting the person who did the scummy action?

Good questions
VOTE: RCEnigma
I already expressed concern about this push and Bitmap is looking a little better
Honestly I think it's best if I turn out the feedback from our spat

[Gamma Emerald]

The 1v1 is over and Nancy Drew and Shiro are pretty active now. Why are you still here, Krazy? Have you fallen back in love with mafia?

Why SHOULDN'T Krazy be here?

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Eh I misapplied a tell I developed a while back. RCE kinda played into it but it doesn't actually seem scum motivated. I can understand how that looked scummy on my part too, very opportunistic
VOTE: gameplay I still feel like this is scum
Btw in case it wasn't clear I'm not really in the mood to vote EvenTide

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw in case it wasn't clear I'm not really in the mood to vote EvenTide

Oh yeah? then what are you in the mood of. What's your read on Eventide
-Tana

I think Eventide has some scum equity but also potential to be towny further on, so that' why I'm not voting there

[Gamma Emerald]

UNVOTE:
Eh I misapplied a tell I developed a while back. RCE kinda played into it but it doesn't actually seem scum motivated. I can understand how that looked scummy on my part too, very opportunistic
VOTE: gameplay I still feel like this is scum
Btw in case it wasn't clear I'm not really in the mood to vote EvenTide

u pussied out because Titus was like "lol ur vote was bad and scummy"? Why even vote there in the first place?

I backed off because I realized I was being dumb and there was 0 scum motivation to what I saw

[Gamma Emerald]

Uhhhh p sure that's a Shiro post
Only Nancy in that hydra was scum in HW iirc

[Gamma Emerald]

I already said the weak willed + forced stiff. I also don't like how you seem to be reaching to pressure at all here.
Btw on a lighter note, what is your avatar from?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well I don't see too much different, at least on the forced side of things.

[Gamma Emerald]

Also your avatar kinda looks like Kokichi Oma from Danganronpa V3

[Gamma Emerald]

I can understand that interpretation, but I feel less good about Eventide's chances of being scum currently.
PEdit: Kokichi Oma is, to put it bluntly, an asshat.

[Gamma Emerald]

In fact since you say you played 2, he's a lot like Nagito in some ways, only a lot less redeemable.

[Gamma Emerald]

No the mafiascum player Kokichi is kinda okay
I'm referring to the actually character from the game

[Gamma Emerald]

THO BACK TO MY SERIOUS SELF
I don't really understand how anyone reads town on gamma.
And while reading LE's reads this does stand out as the only solid TR she gives:

Gamma Emerald: Despite their vote on me there's nothing else in their ISO I can really complain about. They're just town.

Soo

Hm

[Gamma Emerald]

well this blew up

[Gamma Emerald]

I can understand that interpretation, but

I feel less good about Eventide's chances of being scum currently.

And why is that?

Well I felt some of their thoughts were natural
But I honestly dislike having only one townread and that being that logic

[Gamma Emerald]

Oooh Sailor btw
I will read the iso on Titus that you provided yest, I haven't forgotten

Yeah, I initially sr because I thought her initial pushes were whack but her tone in it was super townie but I remember she had some good insights early game - that dance mechanic was anti-town and she wound up being right about that.

Hey Sailor what do you think about Gamma

Which head were you asking

[Gamma Emerald]

Content wise I barely like any of Lady E's posts. Especially the votes.
But the way she is overreacting and getting upset every time someone pressures/votes her gives me conflicting feelings
Idk what to get out of that
help

As for Chaos Wind he is meh.

Least content in the game rn so I don't really want a to lynch that.

I'm pretty sure you've literally forgotten Croag is in this game.

Honestly wouldn't mind croag votes

[Gamma Emerald]

Uhhh what

[Gamma Emerald]

lol croag isn't in the game

Like what does this actually mean

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm sorry was your last post at me Dann?

[Gamma Emerald]

Please be aware I'm 40 pages behind

[Gamma Emerald]

That wasn’t an answer to your question, that was calling your question scummy

-Wind

How is it scummy? Scum has a tendency to cover for scummy town in order to sway votes towards their side.

You’re projecting your scum read on me onto pops’s read to push them

-Wind

What?

[Gamma Emerald]

Well croag also has trended less active as scum in my experience
So in short if we lynch a low poster I'll push for croag
Probably won't be the case though lol

[Gamma Emerald]

Dann.flor()

Don’t forget the semicolon

-Wind

this isn't c

What the heck

[Gamma Emerald]

Why are non hydrae coloring their damn posts

[Gamma Emerald]

I think it's scummy on balance but I don't assign it a high magnitude.

So you find it scummy but not a lot?

[Gamma Emerald]

serious vote, by the way.

Still thinking Dann is scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

I claim for

reasons

that I am 100% sure that HH is flipping scum. If you're not voting her in your next post, you're voting us.

No one else is going to be lynched from here on out so if you're voting elsewhere you're just wasting your time.

Who the fuck is voting you for real rn
Not "voting" you by not voting HH, actually voting you

[Gamma Emerald]

Who the fuck is voting you for real rn
Not "voting" you by not voting HH, actually voting you

Apparently Maria and Popsofctown and LE. Which are funnily enough all the worst slots in the game right now.

I can agree on LE being bad, maybe pops, Maria I haven't seen much of the give me that impression yet

[Gamma Emerald]

actually don't answer that dumb question

Why not

[Gamma Emerald]

If I thought that he was scum I'd have absolutely no objection to doing so.

Uhhh okay

[Gamma Emerald]

RC I feel you've pushed a lot of slots, maybe more than average for you
How many people do you legitimately suspect rn

[Gamma Emerald]

I have a hot take of LE's hydra dissonance feels like the slot is town
-Tana

There was hydra dissonance? Lillaire has been a non-entity so I would kinda like more on why this

[Gamma Emerald]

RC I feel you've pushed a lot of slots, maybe more than average for you
How many people do you legitimately suspect rn

this is

absolute trash

as scum the amount of people I push is less than my town average, not the other way around.

I didn't say anything about your alignment

I think you're town, but there seem to be a lot of people you seem to have pushed for a little bit and then stopped, there was Dann, and it seems like Cafe Stile is also in this category based on your currently named suspects

[Gamma Emerald]

I've had more than my fair share of games where at some point I have literally pushed every player in the game to sort them.

See this is what it looks like 100% to me, I just want to know where you're at overall

[Gamma Emerald]

By the end of the first day in my last large theme where I was hydra'd with Nancy I had pushed

8

different players at some point.

CK
Kidamn
Rautherdir
Bambi Jay
Yourself
FTC
Whemestar
Primate

If anything, I have pushed less than that this game. So, why are you trying to say that this is scummy?

I'm not. I'm trying to understand your reads rn.

[Gamma Emerald]

God I ask my hydra partner to do one thing so I can focus on my college work but I guess I have to do everything myself and catch up.
I refuse to read 40+ pages so I'm skipping to like page 25 if anything happened before oh well don't care.
~Celica

lmfao

[Gamma Emerald]

Also it's still likely not above average: I've had more than my fair share of games where at some point I have literally pushed every player in the game to sort them.
You know this or ought to know this, so why are you taking one of the few things that are mathematically, demonstrably a towntell for me
as other players including Shoshin have brought up as a way to meta me and as I have myself stated that I find it difficult to fake as scum

and trying to use it to discredit my read?

I think I just got whiplash from how fast you 180d on gamma here as soon as they stopped doing what you wanted them to.

Everyone who is scumreading you, you think is scum. You think Tana's cute face ought to be enough to protect you.

... I still want more opinions here, but you seem to be derailing hard and I sure as hell am not following where you lead.

That was a 180? And even if it was it's kinda reasonable because there was room to misinterpret my post

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Lady Evenitde This is because of stuff that happened due to emotion are you kidding me right now? You’re not this bad, no one is this bad. Because this isn’t even a ‘town scum’ thing it’s reading basic human emotion and how it went out of control. If you read the last few pages at all you would see this anyone would see that. This is just scum who is taking advantage of the gamestate

I kinda like this, mirrors my own reaction. bleh

[Gamma Emerald]

Dann, Gamma, Pops, and especially you, Wind, you know my meta:

Assume I am town. Should I trust the fuzzy friendly person who has not been contributing and wants me to live, or the loud abrasive person with a plan for how they want the game to go, and who wants me to die?

I... don't know your meta?

I don't know why you're asking for opinions. It sounds like you've already made up your mind.

To react through Dann' post: uhhh there seems to be not enough context here.

[Gamma Emerald]

Spoiler:

Can't help but feel like sailor/Ephraim distracted everyone when bit was becoming a viable wagon.

Can’t help but feel this is trying to get people off a scum partner.
Just saying.

Side note: Why the fuck are the 2 slots I can confidently read the most null in the history of mafia right now? I don’t know how I feel about that, so I won’t!

no problem. I'm a little surprised at that you reading bitmap scum for something that happened some time ago, and titus-town reasoning all the way from single digit pages.

Y-YOU?! I-I have no words. You legit laid out perfectly good reasoning on why Enigma is scummy and-REEEEE. Maybe this is just because my head hurts and I’m super annoyed at my partner right now but I hate all of you right now. <3

I like HH as town for it because Town!Maria has never not scumread

This is a really bad reason to townread me. Because if I’m scum obviously scum me is gonna know about this and scumread you right? So at most I should be null, but the main factor here is a discredit of me reading Enigma and that’s blah. Like yes, I do scumread him more often than not but I feel my points are valid. This isn’t a playstyle thing it’s a ‘wow you’re fucking scummy’

Why the fuck is this game at 40 pages? I wasn't even gone a day
~Celica

Hello past me, why are we doing this? I don’t know. You had college homework to do and now you have more. Yet here you are playing mafia sick as can be. Side note, take your meds next time because tylenol is a god send.

3 votes from an LE lynch and not having anything else to do.

I'm kinda worried about a lack of a CW
-Tana

Okay ngl, I was too. Mostly because I firmly believe in the logic that ‘if no CW is real its’ either town or scum are happy with letting this go.’ But right as I said that It looked like a ton of people jumped on LE at the same time. So that makes me think scum might be more scared or just joined the bus. We’ll see!

I want to see what happens.

Okaaaaaay

I have a proxy vote which means I can progress both major wagons while being a net neutral on vca.

VOTE: Titus

Can’t tell if this vote was a joke or not, mostly because I have no idea why this would warrant a vote. Maybe I’m stupid. Explain it to me.

Like your scum read on me is based on someone else's actions...

Why aren't you voting the person who did the scummy action?

Wouldn't be the first time I've caught scum via another slot.

Anyone townreading this? Jw

UNVOTE:
Eh I misapplied a tell I developed a while back. RCE kinda played into it but it doesn't actually seem scum motivated. I can understand how that looked scummy on my part too, very opportunistic
VOTE: gameplay I still feel like this is scum
Btw in case it wasn't clear I'm not really in the mood to vote EvenTide

This is gross, not because it was an unvote on Enigma. But the whole switch feels overly justified. It just feels like such a weird switch

Aaaaand this post looked incredibly fake.

[Gamma Emerald]

@Dannfor: You seem to be spinning things a lot, and it looks like you played the earlier situation for max chaos from the sidelines - knowing that RC and Krazy don't get along and both have poor tempers, your "hostile" comment takes on the aspect of being a lit match tossed onto gasoline from afar. I would like to hear more about why you voted Senshi initially, as your current explanation does not satisfy me; I would also like to hear a real, solid analysis of bitmap from you.

VOTE: Dannfor

Oh baby

I read the rest of your Dann thing and I mostly agree with what was said. (Which brings up worries about scumreads but I don’t care about that right now.)
VOTE: Dann
Let’s see where this goes!

10 MORE FUCKING PAGES TO GO PLEASE GOD

Hi why don't I see any reactions to my posts

[Gamma Emerald]

CW is a bad wagon mostly because we can get so much more information else where. I’d rather they get blasted by a vig or investigated. Not lynched. Hey Bit I’m defending a bad slot what you gonna do~

Hey
Maria
I'm gameplay
We seem to be on the same page for a lot of things
I tr you
Please tr me
I feel like an outcast
Help

.......

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma's attack on me kind of felt like genuine town. Not entirely sure though.

I think you have some trust issues
You scumread people who townread you
And townread people who scumread you
Is this mafia's doing?

*K ONLY SERIOUS GP FROM NOW ON*
Pedit:Oh, how kind

Are you saying that's how he reads everyone or what the fuck are you saying?

[Gamma Emerald]

Then fun things will happen.

I'll take this opportunity to say that if there is some retard out there who would ever consider vigging me, don't do it N1. I can easily break this game so scum if you're gonna NK, come at me.

Why does this post exist.

[Gamma Emerald]

... @Katsuki: I think it is relevant to note that your current level of contribution compares unfavorably to both Chaos Wind and Cafe Stiles. You barely have more presence than

Croag.

I don't really care how much of a hotshot scumfinder you supposedly are; lurking to lategame like this is unacceptable behaviour, and T&E are right to call you on it.

I disagree on this

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact that both LLD and Katsuki have expressed intent to lurk is beyond concerning and I don't think either slot should be left alive past even day 1 if they are lurking.

Which head made this post?

That was E, all untagged posts are E

I wanna say Gamma paying no attention is town indicative lol

Lmfao what the actual fuck are you on
T and E (both heads) have said this as well so why the fuck are you saying I'm not paying attention? 4:37 of this video is kinda my mood at this comment. I just feel really slighted by this post.

[Gamma Emerald]

Can we just vote Bitmap or Lady? Thanks.

sure w.e continued titus proxy etc etc.

VOTE: LADY NOT LLD

Why didn't you act on your proxy earlier

[Gamma Emerald]

I never said that @Gamma

I have never expressed a read on you in fact.

What is this about

[Gamma Emerald]

I cant stop saying furry if i were to address you

What the fuck does this mean

[Gamma Emerald]

You said I said you paying no attention is town indicative and i never said that.

No I meant you explained the fact that untagged posts were you. Very weird mistake but okay.

[Gamma Emerald]

CW is a bad wagon mostly because we can get so much more information else where. I’d rather they get blasted by a vig or investigated. Not lynched. Hey Bit I’m defending a bad slot what you gonna do~

Hey
Maria
I'm gameplay
We seem to be on the same page for a lot of things
I tr you
Please tr me
I feel like an outcast
Help

Yo so this is real and I'm never voting this.

Not interested in debating it. This is just super obviously real to me.

WHAT
HOW
WHY

[Gamma Emerald]

The fact that people (Bitmap, Pops, HH, LE, and several others) are still talking about this game like my slot isn't the towniest slot in the game by far

You said I said you paying no attention is town indicative and i never said that.

No I meant you explained the fact that untagged posts were you. Very weird mistake but okay.

I think that's actually the most obvious way to read that post.

Not really? Like you definitely seem to have taken what I was trying to say out of context.

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I think Titus can and would use that to her advantage in a way. Not like, to angleshoot, but rather if she's gonna be depressed either way, why not play up the depressed part to drive town to do what she wants.

I think Titus kinda tried to do this in Hidden Speezy and she was town there, but I also don't think she did it intentionally, it just came off that way.

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok

Is it possible that at 2:48 AM my time when I've been going to bed at reasonable hours for weeks my mental faculties aren't entirely there and I misread questions?

What's the scum motivation in the misrepresentation / taking it out of context / whatever

I'M NOT TRYING TO PAINT ANYTHING YOUR DOING AS SCUM RIGHT NOW.
WHY ARE YOU SO SENSITIVE?

[Gamma Emerald]

If you got a problem with that, deal with it in a PT.

What?

[Gamma Emerald]

LLD's case is that it's suspicious you have multiple cases and none of them seem likely to be busses, proving you know the scumteam because you are outperforming rand.

@titus

Okay this makes 0 sense. If Titus is TMIing the team why does LLD say none of it looks like bussing?

[Gamma Emerald]

oof

oh yeah she herself said ate is a scumtell...

And your slot argued against that then. But now that that's no longer convenient, you've changed your tune. Not only that, I thought you were uninterested in how I characterizw my own play? Your case is falling apart, RC.

Let's take another look at that list of tells, actually. Thanks for reminding me of it.

Looking for scapegoats.

VS Apologizing and owning fault.

Sowing discord.

VS. Promoting cooperation.

Lack of real analysis.

VS. Doing serious analysis work.
Lurking for long periods. VS.

Making efforts to be active.

Attacking the accuser, not the argument.

VS. Engaging seriously with accusations.

Speaking for or over others.

VS. Letting others speak their minds.

Appealing to emotion.

VS. Using logic over emotion.

Not pushing claimed suspicions.

VS. Putting real pressure on others.

Knowing too much.

VS. Showing genuine uncertainty.

... Huh. Seems like by a list I made in a completely different game, in a completely different context, you're objectively far scummier than not. Interesting.

Um no. RC is pushing you for your logic, not his. It's the same thing for me pushing Bitmap for his "inconsistency" bout scum starting wagons, I believed Bitmap here was making sense generally bit that doesn't change the fact it seemed like he was betraying his own beliefs. RC is saying you seem to be betraying your beliefs by saying the AtE isn't scummy.

[Gamma Emerald]

I was referring less to the AtE itself

and more to the calling me an egoist and saying that i treat others like pawns, etc. more the

unnecessarily hurtful things

that she was saying that she said she had a meta of saying as scum.

Turnavour is fair play: Isn't this AtE?

No it' really fucking not
VOTE: Lady Eventide
I'm so voting here when I finish my catch up so I'm not gonna put it off.

[Gamma Emerald]

i think i lost my way in this game and need to reset

VOTE: Bitmap
Or i can just vote bitmap... which i guess it's the same thing kinda, while he does.
-Tana

Er what

[Gamma Emerald]

oof

oh yeah she herself said ate is a scumtell...

And your slot argued against that then. But now that that's no longer convenient, you've changed your tune. Not only that, I thought you were uninterested in how I characterizw my own play? Your case is falling apart, RC.

Let's take another look at that list of tells, actually. Thanks for reminding me of it.

Looking for scapegoats.

VS Apologizing and owning fault.

Sowing discord.

VS. Promoting cooperation.

Lack of real analysis.

VS. Doing serious analysis work.
Lurking for long periods. VS.

Making efforts to be active.

Attacking the accuser, not the argument.

VS. Engaging seriously with accusations.

Speaking for or over others.

VS. Letting others speak their minds.

Appealing to emotion.

VS. Using logic over emotion.

Not pushing claimed suspicions.

VS. Putting real pressure on others.

Knowing too much.

VS. Showing genuine uncertainty.

... Huh. Seems like by a list I made in a completely different game, in a completely different context, you're objectively far scummier than not. Interesting.

Um no. RC is pushing you for your logic, not his. It's the same thing for me pushing Bitmap for his "inconsistency" bout scum starting wagons, I believed Bitmap here was making sense generally bit that doesn't change the fact it seemed like he was betraying his own beliefs. RC is saying you seem to be betraying your beliefs by saying the AtE isn't scummy.

... saying what AtE isn't scummy? What are you referencing here?

@Pops, Gameplay: Sure, whatever, I'm fine with this; RC is big and it's hard to fight his thread control on his home turf. That said, I really hope you take a long hard look at him after my lynch, assuming that happens.

Idk what I'm referencing but it doesn't matter because it's a situation of principle. You said AtE was scummy initially, then at least as the situation seems to indicate you took a different stance on AtE in practice, so RC called you out.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah we actually should not have unvoted LE.

VOTE: Lady Eventide

I think that unvote is my signature correct scumread then derailing it to go vote town.

Okay no
I thought Sakura ended up not tagging a post but it seems I was wrong

[Gamma Emerald]

Hypocrisy is not alignment indicative

Maybe not but when you start trying to twist it to scumpaint the person calling you out it sure as hell is.

[Gamma Emerald]

This is gross, not because it was an unvote on Enigma. But the whole switch feels overly justified. It just feels like such a weird switch

Ok I missed this
Kinda a fair response, but I was trying to explain both my vote and unvote at the same time.

[Gamma Emerald]

oof

oh yeah she herself said ate is a scumtell...

And your slot argued against that then. But now that that's no longer convenient, you've changed your tune. Not only that, I thought you were uninterested in how I characterizw my own play? Your case is falling apart, RC.

I was referring less to the AtE itself

and more to the calling me an egoist and saying that i treat others like pawns, etc. more the

unnecessarily hurtful things

that she was saying that she said she had a meta of saying as scum.

Turnavour is fair play: Isn't this AtE?

This shit and especially the second post is twisting. I guess I can see how LE is not being a hypocrite actually, unless the AtE RC pointed out was her own. But it's not being convenient, the point RC was making didn't involve his own stance on that tell at all. And then to try and make a massive reach and call something that is not at all AtE that shows LE is scrambling to scumpaint RC.

[Gamma Emerald]

Anyway I might dip for a bit to play games because my head is starting to hurt a fair bit
I kinda feel like Cassandra from Troy here

[Gamma Emerald]

RC is trying to paint himself as a victim of the nasty scum girl who keeps calling him bad names. Pops rightly called this out as bullshit and I don't think it's wrong of me to call it an attempt to tug on heartstring

If that thing by RC

is

AtE, it's

barely

AtE. Like as I see it it's how RC feels about it, but he's not really trying to play it up, at least that's my sense.

[Gamma Emerald]

Townreading me based on my IDGAF factor is funny. Mostly because that’s just how I am period. It’s not really a scum case on Gamma per se more so meta. I can read Gamma very well. I’ve read him wrong only a few times Gamma can vouch for this. I suppose the more I don’t have Gamma as town the more I worry, but I’m not gonna lynch him because if he is town I’ll figure it out.

Hmmm I really don't know what the hell to make of this aorn

[Gamma Emerald]

I wish I was a heart of light.

Uhhhh.

[Gamma Emerald]

[

I'm not particularly fond of Titus's towniness right now. Failing to stick to one topic or plug whatever read she thinks is correct and should end the day borrows me compared to her just pushing "end the day". Like.. I guess I'm taking the easy straightforward interpretation here, "end the day" doesn't serve the town wincon.

Go on.

I'm not sure why you're asking for a "go on", my thought felt complete. I'm not getting the authentic feel of a player who is doing what they can to end the day, and wields two votes that can be weaponized to that end. It's looking more like someone using the proxy vote to toy with their own moonlogic meta, rather than needle down to the strongest overlap between their own reads and the viable wagons, to end a day they are truly so tired of

Dannflor are you a Heart of Light

I wish I was a heart of light.

Oh my

Pops why the fuck are you doing this colored post thing

[Gamma Emerald]

Is...is that ability based? Like someone made you have to post like that?

[Gamma Emerald]

Pops why the fuck are you doing this colored post thing

lol that's a pretty rich question coming from you

-Merc

What do you mean???

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw in case it wasn't clear I'm not really in the mood to vote EvenTide

Oh yeah? then what are you in the mood of. What's your read on Eventide
-Tana

I think Eventide has some scum equity but also potential to be towny further on, so that' why I'm not voting there

DDL asked about this
I felt like the reads from LE felt kinda organic and had the potential to blossom into some good content
Obviously I don't now.

[Gamma Emerald]

uhhh so I know this is a 180 but I think Lady is town

It's ok, I 180 reads all the time, specially early game.
-Tana

Lady might be. I highly doubt lady and Bitmap both are. Tbh my preferred lunches are Bitmap and gameplay.

Why gameplay? but I’m starting to be a bit sus of his Gamma tunnel but still think he’s town. I didn’t like his early push on you either so meh?

Gameplay's pushes are a big reason why I suspect him

[Gamma Emerald]

What do you mean???

If this works I’m using it, if it resembles FF0000 I’m sticking to 400000

Seriously

I hate mafBlack’s adaptive coloring
I’ll keep trying but I’m seriously upset

That was me being edgy and kinda doing fandom shit

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm hoping it will improve how I'm pronouned. We'll see what happens, I guess

Interesting maneuver.

[Gamma Emerald]

Well judging by 1701 it doesnt seem to have helped
-Tana

I'm fine with either singular pronoun, so, that's not problematic for me, it's just fine if any particular user decides that user would like me as a he.
I just do not enjoy the "they" pronoun, and I enjoy my current avatar, so a strategy aligned with it is ideal.
I've been "they" pronouned a lot this game.

Eh I use they as a default because calling someone "it" is squicky as hell and e pronouns are kinda esoteric to me despite me having used them on here, it just seems weird to start with e for someone, like if they don't expect it things probably get weird

[Gamma Emerald]

@GIF: I'm voting eventide

Sometimes I really wonder, how any town player can think it is protown to spam out 71 pages in 71 hours in a game of this size.

Why are you dodging proxy demandsssssss?

[Gamma Emerald]

Aldo gonna fuck off and play phone games now

[Gamma Emerald]

Does Celica/Maria head AtE as scum?

She does it as both alignments

[Gamma Emerald]

Also what made us not vote LE

[Gamma Emerald]

Town don't target Bitmap tonight.

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess so

Random aside, you avatar makes me think you're Cabd, don't know if you know who that is but that's what I see

[Gamma Emerald]

DrDoLittle, Katsuki, gameplay506, Tana and Ephraim, popsofctown, Dannflor, Bitmap, Gamma Emerald

Why is Katsu ki scum?
(I know the coloring was lost, dgaf)

[Gamma Emerald]

How am i supposed to TR you and trust your IC claim if you make moves like these.
-Tana

I believe LE's claim. That's why.

What makes that claim town vs. scum.

[Gamma Emerald]

Switch becomes miller to lose godfather and that becomes a scum claim

Or like they just invedtiagate as scum and it's a cover
Iirc Oversoul did this in Project Arch

[Gamma Emerald]

So I'm lying about having follower power, then?

Don't think anyone said that

[Gamma Emerald]

Everyone be picking the popular girls smh.

Nah fuck that shit
All of mine were troll picks.

[Gamma Emerald]

How many mana do your powers consume evebtide

Are people supposed to know this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Regardless tho.
DDL's statement that it could be the opposite makes sense, not because of your role, but your millerization cannot be confirmed even if the exiting the hood can.
Follower can be rolecop instead.
Voyager can be watcher and combined with Rolecop for accurate results.
Need I go on?
I dont think it's something you're lying about atm tho, much less coz it doesnt seem like you even knew what your role was, this goes in hand with my previous TR from before.
But arguing that scum cannot make such a lie to appear like a towny claim is kind of a stretch.
-Tana

Yeah, I agree. I just don't like Dr's "aha gotcha" tone here. It feels like he didn't actually consider the implications (that I'm falseclaiming larger than that), and that he was just looking for a way to dismiss the claim and keep pushing.

Honestly this looks valid

[Gamma Emerald]

Her role doesnt say how many gauges she uses for a transformation?

...mine doesn't either.

[Gamma Emerald]

Town don't target Bitmap tonight.

Why?

It's related to my role, but

I'm rescinding this.

...ok

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe im just projecting myself, but i dont think i've ever seen scum claim miller, or if i did maybe it was a long time ago, i DID see a scum claiming miller but it was... actually a scum miller, on a game.
-Tana

I have seen it once or twice
I think more often it's probably just true

[Gamma Emerald]

I also have been getting bad vibes from LLD, but I want to see if she gets shot in the nightz just like T&E. Not my preferred lynch as scum may resolve her for us.

I have been actually feeling pretty good about LLD

[Gamma Emerald]

DrDolittle

I think in Sakura's lynch pool this is what I feel has the most scum equity

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Drdolittle

[Gamma Emerald]

So people townread gamma for some tone bullshit or that attack on Bitmap
Ok sure, I won't stay alone on that
Titus has degraded(upgraded?) to a slight scumlean now from a stronger one. She might just be having abysmal reads and odd gameplay as people have been saying.
Pops is a bit better now. Haven't really read too much into her tbf.
Lady E has been my only read that I have had no progress with.

VOTE: Lady E

This is still a good vote
I don't think gameplay's scumpool has ever progressed beyond this

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey
Gameplay
You’re like
My top townread so don’t worry about that.
I tr you
Let’s solve and win together okay?

YES PLEASE

Tho we seem to disagree quite a bit on Lady E

Hm
Doesn't HH hard townread both LE and gameplay
I think that kinda says bad things about their reads

[Gamma Emerald]

I dont want to directly accuse HH scum tho, that's above my pay grade, but I want to push this out in the open.

Why is directing FoSing someone:"above your pay grade"?

[Gamma Emerald]

I guess so

Random aside, you avatar makes me think you're Cabd, don't know if you know who that is but that's what I see

Know him
But we dont have the same right?

Yea but it looks similar color wise

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma (if bit flips scum)

Why am I only town if Bit is scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

So people townread gamma for some tone bullshit or that attack on Bitmap
Ok sure, I won't stay alone on that
Titus has degraded(upgraded?) to a slight scumlean now from a stronger one. She might just be having abysmal reads and odd gameplay as people have been saying.
Pops is a bit better now. Haven't really read too much into her tbf.
Lady E has been my only read that I have had no progress with.

VOTE: Lady E

This is still a good vote
I don't think gameplay's scumpool has ever progressed beyond this

Your scumpool hasn't progresses either dont be a hypocrite
If you want to lynch me commit or get out

Oh really
Have I continually wanted to lynch the same 4 slots, with no considerations for error?
VOTE: gameplay
Can we finally lynch this?

[Gamma Emerald]

gameplay i expect a bit more from you

What is your experience with Gameplay?

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm going to be blunt: Saying "I think this person is scum" or "I think this person is town" is more about the social aspect of the game to me than the solving part of the game. It's easy to say, and there are always reasons to scum or town read anyone. Interacting with information is easy and it's not a problem for most people to make up fake, consistent reads.

What it's not easy to do is generate information. And scum have to do that. They have to falsify continually. This is why I care more about the reasons for a read than the read itself; reads, to me, are just announcements of "I think this guy is on my team." Towny -> "My ally", Scummy -> "My enemy."

This may be an insane way of playing the game to some, but frankly there's no such thing as a universal scumtell/towntell. All I can do is force the wolves to keep producing content. Eventually, that's going to lead to someone fucking up.

This actually works fairly well for reading

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey I just said previous post why I dont want to lynch some of those slots but who cares right
Way easier to just comment on random things in the thread

If you mean the one I quoted that started this back and forth, that's incorrect. You stated reasons to doubt LE is scum. They you voted them anyway.

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw page 91 puts Gamma into scum range

How, and why that page?

[Gamma Emerald]

LE is still alive? weird.

actually not that weird, towns suck.

LE claimed and that killed the wagon
Idk if that was a good thing but I'm again at the point where LE is at the very least not top pick for scum

[Gamma Emerald]

MSPAFA

Oooooh an MSPA fan

[Gamma Emerald]

But I am the world's worst alt exposer

I think I am contesting you here

[Gamma Emerald]

Lady E, you were claiming to be good at scum earlier in the game, right?

But you also think you’re mislynch bait?

Eh
What's the point of this question
Don't see the conflict of those ideas as it is

[Gamma Emerald]

Because I said so.

Cool so I can put you straight to ignore this game

[Gamma Emerald]

It's not beneficial for her if Eva was a wolf to out the neighbourhood there

dont vote her

- Hideri

Wait what
LE outed the hood before their claim?

[Gamma Emerald]

Also speaking of gacha games, Azur Lane anyone?

Don't see how this came up
But I'm more of a Dragalia Lost or FEH guy myself

[Gamma Emerald]

Lady E, you were claiming to be good at scum earlier in the game, right?

But you also think you’re mislynch bait?

Eh
What's the point of this question
Don't see the conflict of those ideas as it is

I don't think lynch bait + good at the game really go together. At least not with how much value Lady E seems to place in

not getting lynched at all costs

.

Okay now that you put it like that I deffo agree