Magical Girls UPick - Heart of Shadow (Game Over)

[RCEnigma]

CC magical Girl VOTE: Katsuki

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: RCEnigma
guess we've got ourselves a hard 1v1 on our hands

Looks like I have the high ground.

[RCEnigma]

Hello everyone let's defeat the evil with he power of love~

~Venus

I only want to relay any further message through Neptune.

[RCEnigma]

Ah i see, it's ok i'll be obvtown before the end of the day.
And then you can all sheep RC
-Tana

I'll sheep you then ty.

Ahem, Real RC speaking.

[RCEnigma]

pops i swear to fucking god if ur scum again

Pops better be town because she owes me a townblock by now at least.

Free IC pass pls.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think that's what Dannfloor meant Sakurahana, the actual post count is pretty typical for a large Theme I think. The extent to which the posts has been alignment indicative have been slow. That's what a games actual pace is.

The speed of getting out of low-information-stage/RVS can vary pretty dramatically from game to game.

yeah pretty much exactly this

the vote hopping is half me trying to make something happen / see what people do

half me just having fun

I can fullclaim and we can go from there.

[RCEnigma]

Did you come to that conclusion before or after she said she wanted to vote hop? Out loud.

[RCEnigma]

I don't think that's what Dannfloor meant Sakurahana, the actual post count is pretty typical for a large Theme I think. The extent to which the posts has been alignment indicative have been slow. That's what a games actual pace is.

The speed of getting out of low-information-stage/RVS can vary pretty dramatically from game to game.

yeah pretty much exactly this

the vote hopping is half me trying to make something happen / see what people do

half me just having fun

I can fullclaim and we can go from there.

Please no.

Floor it?

[RCEnigma]

I too think Titus is town by why wouldn't Scum!Titus discredit the votes on her?

[RCEnigma]

Oof 6 pages.

[RCEnigma]

This post is bad, anyone in the history of mafia would try to discredit posts on them. Are we going to state other obvious facts? Here I’ll start. Enigma is scummy.

That was my point. I was asking why scum Titus couldn't do the same. It got an elaborated answer and it was okish so.

[RCEnigma]

Actually let me not creature catch up. Dann you still scumreading lady even or no?

[RCEnigma]

Like im going to say this at once, i will not accept paranoia reads on RC because im here.
Anything gameplay related feel free to throw our way.
-Tana

Don't think I've played with you but I've played with RC and I have the terrible tendency to townread his aggression and just hope he rolled town. Which isn't good, hopefully you're an easier read so I'll try to honor this maybe? Pinky promise.

[RCEnigma]

Rather than fighting, can we lynch the three headed hydra with two posts?

Who dat?

[RCEnigma]

My desire to win is lower than usual at the moment. Therefore it doesn't seem that errant to scumread me, I probably am not dropping town wincon motivations too much. I'm sure I will care about deleting the scums instead of roleplaying magical girl soon enough that I'm not mislynched. Well I'm not sure, my day 1 mislynch rate is pretty high.

I don't scumread your scumread as of now

To avoid outing you yet again I'll require 1 cat please. I'll throw you in my day 1 townblock regardless.

[RCEnigma]

Rather than fighting, can we lynch the three headed hydra with two posts?

Who dat?

Sailor...

And one head is Nancy Drew

Still reading but I like that VOTE: Sailor

[RCEnigma]

I don't think that's a towny reaction. I'm not scumreading you for lack of desire to win, I'm scumreading you for something that I'll keep to myself for now.

I think you're scumreading pops for the same reason I'm townreading her. Don't think it's important if you aren't going to case her but wouldn't mind talking about it.

[RCEnigma]

Nancy can spew herself town pretty well.

I don't support lynching that right away.

She can spew herself scum just as well.

[RCEnigma]

Nancy can spew herself town pretty well.

I don't support lynching that right away.

She can spew herself scum just as well.

Yes so why lynch her now

Gamma you know exactly why it's a good vote.

[RCEnigma]

Dann you still scumreading lady even or no?

Why did you ask this?

I was interested in what your eventide read was made of. There wasn't a lot of content there fmpov and you didn't really flesh out the vote. So I was curious if it was a meta based read, if you caught something indicative, or if it was a lure vote.

[RCEnigma]

You've bought my silence pops.

[RCEnigma]

Still reading but I like that VOTE: Sailor

I'm curious whether you think Nancy posts less as town? Also, do you feel like she has a lot of presence on the site generally at the moment?

-Mercury

Nancy isn't the only head, I also don't follow her games so idk.

[RCEnigma]

A lot of things are happening in this thread and this:

Here's what I want to know.

Why does GiF host anime themed games but also try to lynch anime avatars as a player?

Is the one thing that bugs your mind?
-Tana

Are you saying you actually think Bitmap vs. Gamma is interesting? Or what are these "things" you claim are happening in this game that are actually AI or significant?

I'm assuming you're read up on the game then?

[RCEnigma]

Can anyone townreading Titus tell me why btw
*I read Dr. Dollitle's read on her which I disagree with and that is the only explained titus tr I can recall rn*

Pedit:I do believe so as well, senshi

Her initial push on you was a motivation read which I think is a town first mentality and was early enough that it didn't seem like scum trying to set up a mislynch and more like town solving.

The conviction she has continuing the push lines up more with the town meta I have on her which is literally only anime Upick, but was the same kind of push whether it was good or bad.

[RCEnigma]

I might have been wrong on Pops yesterday.

Without going all the way back to figure out what the original read was, where do you stand on her now?

[RCEnigma]

Idk most players have been joking but Titus is the only one who left an odd feeling in me
Same with bitmap but replace odd with good

Oof sorry if I'm being too serious and ruining the fun, I will go back to my rl now

Ok 5 bucks based on everything that's happened gameplay is seriously scum here. Bitmap's likely scum or useful to them.

VOTE: Gameplay

RC's voting based on vendetta.
Pops is voting to get a reaction.
Cafe getting a counter wagon going in RVS isn't an issue at all. I might have done the same.

Gameplay's posting however is over justified. Titus has an "odd" feeling. Bitmap has a "good" feeling. Yet he breaks the posting up into several posts and is real defensive about it.

Pops, real life does suck. I'd rather not think about it. I put it elsewhere but there's real high odds I'm getting a divorce.

Hm idk RCE I don't see Titus trying to solve me here, I see Titus banging her fist on the table, going GP is scum, while providing some pretty made-up reasoning for it.

And the fact that she just continues to read me in the same way 15 pages later with still minimal effort to solve me out makes me think she is just comfortable keeping that read and not comfortable backing out of it.

Well she's already decided you're scum. If she had flipped the read I'd probably be suspicious of her. This is in her townrange however.

[RCEnigma]

@RC, I'm going to ask you a series of odd-ball questions bc I think you're town and I have an odd decision to make. These questions aren't exclusive to RC. I do give more priority to townreads and strategic thinkers however.

Rank the utility of the following actions for town. Reasons not required. You may or may not factor in your own pm.

1) A cop and a vig
2) 2 roleblocks
3) 2 cops
4) A roleblock and a vig
5) 2 vigs
6) A roleblock and a cop

Was waiting on pops to do something similar to this, +1 to RC's order.

[RCEnigma]

Vig clears are the best kind.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: Bitmap for reasons.

[RCEnigma]

Can't help but feel like sailor/Ephraim distracted everyone when bit was becoming a viable wagon.

[RCEnigma]

Can't help but feel like sailor/Ephraim distracted everyone when bit was becoming a viable wagon.

Okay didn't see this. I have my reason for voting Bitmap but you weren't in that game. So what are yours?

I don't have a read one way or the other on bit outside of the direct pivot from his building wagon into the votes on sailor via sailor vs Ephraim. It implicates maybe LE but that's not as solid as the bit deflection itself.

[RCEnigma]

RCEnigma [X]: How far along are you this game? Re: 821. Are you just popping in and checking what's hot? Same question to Katuski

I'm fully caught up with the game and commenting on things relevant to me or things that interest me. Is there a follow up question?

[RCEnigma]

No, his vote was after I applied that reasoning to my vote.

[RCEnigma]

Unless you're asking if his vote influences my read retroactively?

[RCEnigma]

I probably shouldn't have brought it up that way because I don't really have an answer for it yet lol.

[RCEnigma]

no problem. I'm a little surprised at that you reading bitmap scum for something that happened some time ago, and titus-town reasoning all the way from single digit pages.

any thoughts on Eventide vote hopping, Chaos wind, or Ephriam's lamenting how mods are unfair to him?

I haven't processed Eventide yet, mostly because a majority of the recent posting has been centered around RC whom I'm doing my best to avoid. I only really remember chaos' weak reasoning for townreading Titus and HH attacking me for it, I like HH as town for it because Town!Maria has never not scumread me but if they flipped scum I wouldn't be surprised that it was a baby chainsaw. I don't think Dragon has really posted yet and I that's the head that I feel semi comfortable reading.

RC is just having an RC moment, I've seen it from both alignments so it's nai.

[RCEnigma]

@RCEnigma: Why didn't you vote me earlier when there was a wagon on me?

Sailor vs Ephraim didn't happen yet.

[RCEnigma]

I think a partner, or sailor, intentionally used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

[RCEnigma]

I think a partner, or sailor, intentionally used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

You think Sailor is Bitmap's partner?

I'm not really sure how this theory makes sense honestly

The emotional manipulation line is just the kind of in your face scum brag I could see coming from Krazy. So Krazy knows the kind of player RC is and how confrontation with him gets blown out of proportion regardless of how small the original issue is. So why engage in it?

[RCEnigma]

I think a partner, or sailor, intentionally used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

Do you think my wagon on me back then was a serious wagon?

It had potential to be.

[RCEnigma]

I think a partner, or sailor, intentionally used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

You think Sailor is Bitmap's partner?

I'm not really sure how this theory makes sense honestly

I honestly don’t know how RCE even comes up with this, or particularly

anyone

who played in PFUPs. @RCE, in what world, do you ever think this is scum!Krazy here, after that game?

A.) I'm pretty sure it was argued Krazy had low involvement in pfup (I still don't know what head was which)
B.) Pfup was a meta outlier for all of your scum games. I think a lot higher of your scum potential than was shown there.
C.) I've been exploring a hypothetical why the distraction would occur and Dann narrowed it into "RCE thinks Sailor is bits partner." Which is not what I said.

[RCEnigma]

Nancy, not everyone holds meta to the same regard

Except it's a meta-based argument in the first place.

RCE is arguing:
a) that my argument with RC was faked (0.o)
b) for the sake of saving Bitmap (was the wagon on Bitmap growing at that point?)
c) based on his sense that I am like to "scum brag" as scum (???)

C is an explicitly a meta-based argument which raises the question of what games he imagines I "scum bragged" in. He's played with me twice as scum iirc and imo neither of those games included me "scum bragging" -- although all three individual components of his argument seem sketch.

Also.

Gamma spat might make Gamma town and I have no problem with the push on Bitmap

None of these things are actually interesting, they're things that happened in the thread but that doesn't make them actually worth comment unless I feel like Bitmap or pops is actually worth a push.

I actually specifically said that one of the reason I wasn't engaging more in the thread was because I basically had no problem with the Bitmap wagon which is why I was skeptical of the need to push our slot for content in the first place. If the game was already advancing on a good wagon, why is it *my slot* that produced an argument to 'save' Bitmap?

-Mercury

A.) No I said it has the possibility to be intentional.
B.) Like I said I don't really know if it would have or not.
C.) I do think you have the ability to open wolf and be townread for it. You specifically, maybe not Nancy in the same way. I'm using the term in the general sense scum can tell town the truth in a right in front of your nose kind of way.

The bonus bit at the end is a fair point actually, but only regarding your stance. A good wagon for town isn't a good wagon for scum and requires a reaction.

Playing devil's advocate the case can be made that scum took advantage of you vs Ephraim as the catalyst. Which is what I was getting at when I alluded to the implication on LE's slot.

[RCEnigma]

B.) Pfup was a meta outlier for all of your scum games. I think a lot higher of your scum potential than was shown there.

Why? Did you think I did well in Jazz or what games are you thinking of here? I mean I remember you feeling like I fooled you but I was also being destroyed by Skitter at the time so I don't feel like that was a particularly good game for me.

-Mercury

Yeah I had jazz specifically in mind. Keep in mind Skitter is much better at mafia than I am.

[RCEnigma]

Like your scum read on me is based on someone else's actions...

Why aren't you voting the person who did the scummy action?

Wouldn't be the first time I've caught scum via another slot.

[RCEnigma]

Like your scum read on me is based on someone else's actions...

Why aren't you voting the person who did the scummy action?

Wouldn't be the first time I've caught scum via another slot.

With how much weight you put into this "tell" or however you'd call it, how many times out of how many have you used it and caught scum with it?
-Tana

1 of 1 times.

[RCEnigma]

I'm curious what his motivations are for changing his mind about taking a passive role this game.

I'm sorry if it is rude, I didn't see it that way. Maybe "fallen back in love" is hyperbolic and sounds sarcastic, but one of the possible explanations seemed like he's enjoying the game more than he expected

The mod messaged our slot with a mechanical action and when I went to write a post to translate what the mod had said to the thread I saw that RCE was saying I had deliberately provoked RC into a fight which I felt compelled to respond to. No, I'm not particularly enjoying the game, and it's not improbable that I'll go back to the intended backseat role I was planning to play once discussion isn't about whether or not I purposefully set out to piss off RC.

-Mercury

I'll drop it. Sorry you aren't enjoying the game Krazy. Still <3 you.

[RCEnigma]

1 of 1 times.

Yeah im not putting any stock into that
-Tana

Well with all due respect it isn't your read.

[RCEnigma]

He could have, I just don't understand why the hell he'd investigate that one first.

I see, I see
And since you asked me about my read on RCE and Dann do you think they are buddies or just that RCE was trying to ml Sailor?

I think it's possible that RCE was literally talking about a strategy he used with Dannfor and pinning it on Senshi, yeah. His argument also comes with a built in excuse to back off: lynch bitmap or senshi, they flip green, whoops better reevaluate everything!

I don't like RCE's pushes on Sailor or Bitmap at all. Especially as they chose to push Sailor for their association with Bitmap rather than, y'know, Bitmap.

Right now I'm thinking there's at least one scum in Dann/RCE, and I very much want to hear everyone's reads on this.

@Senshi: I'm doing ny best, ok? You got any advice for me to improve, or are you just going to snark from the sidelines?

Skimming through but this is completely false. I pushed bitmap for the association because it could have been intentionally from senshi or someone was fanning the flames from the outside.

I recall Dann hopping on and off the wagon pretty quickly. But in order to evaluate the latter I would have to reread the sailor vs Ephraim part and see how slots on the outside interacted with the conflict. I'm not thrilled about doing it but I probably will at some point anyway.

[RCEnigma]

Hmmmm.

Reread is saying that Bitmap is likely town to me. Which says...

VOTE: RCEnigma

I feel that your theory, if actually believed, ought to have led to a vote on Dannfor, not on Senshi. Why do you believe Senshi/Tana scum/scum before considering Dannfor at all?

I didn’t even know RCE was voting us? Finally a vote of yours I don’t hate. RCE is making a link between us and Bitmap, for completely ludicrous reasons.

I'm not, I moved to bitmap awhile ago.

[RCEnigma]

You guys are misordering things right now. I didn't move onto sailor because of my theory or read. I was already voting sailor when they clashed with Ephraim and voted bitmap not long after it.

[RCEnigma]

Right now I'm thinking there's at least one scum in Dann/RCE, and I very much want to hear everyone's reads on this.

I really don't like "There must be in scum in subset X" minigames. I feel like it just gives you more chances to mess up, once when you setup the group, then again if you miss as you select within the group.

I'd have to be sold on Dannflor or RCE being independently scummy for the things they've done.

Both of them are. RCE's doing this weird shit with Bitmap and Senshi, and Dann reads very much as instigating. The fact that I've put these two reads together into a larger picture ought not to be causing you distress IMO; though I do understand the broader principle against lynch chaining, I don't think it applies here, since I'm not saying Dann's alignment implies much about RCE's or vice versa.

Except you're changing order of events and actions to fit your narrative which is scummy af.

[RCEnigma]

I'm okay if we lynch RCE today as well.

I think if the Krazy/RC argument had happened closer to deadline and he shaded us then, it would still be sketch but I could maybe still see some minuscule ray of logic but to make that kind of comment when the game’s pretty much just started, reeks to me of either scum pushing a mislynch or at the very least, setting up one in the future. I only hesitate because RCE wrongly sr me for posting a role pm from another game in LNT, that wasn’t even mine so basically, RCE is the king of nutso reads.

To be fair, they have value. Or will when they catch scum. I don't think wagonshifting is as out there as the role pm was. I also don't think you have anything to worry about if bit flips green, it's probably my head if he does and you look better in light of it.

I half understand why Krazy took issue with the read but I haven't pushed your slot outside of the original vote to get at least one of the heads to engage.

I'm digging in because there shouldn't be resistance from outside slots like this if my read was just a throwaway trash read. Even if I'm right for the wrong reasons.

[RCEnigma]

Hmmmm.

Reread is saying that Bitmap is likely town to me. Which says...

VOTE: RCEnigma

I feel that your theory, if actually believed, ought to have led to a vote on Dannfor, not on Senshi. Why do you believe Senshi/Tana scum/scum before considering Dannfor at all?

For example. You're pushing me because the way you see it, I pushed sailor over Dann. I pushed neither, my vote was already on bitmap as of 987.

Later down the line, I won't multiquote cuz mobile bleh but your next issue was that I was connecting a mislynch elsewhere instead of just pushing bitmap, which I was. So fmpov it's like you aren't putting facts together to push your own reasonings. Anyone can look and see your accusations aren't lining up.

[RCEnigma]

It wasn't a push, dann asked about my theory and how sailor could fit into it. I obliged.

[RCEnigma]

This is a really bad reason to townread me. Because if I’m scum obviously scum me is gonna know about this and scumread you right? So at most I should be null, but the main factor here is a discredit of me reading Enigma and that’s blah. Like yes, I do scumread him more often than not but I feel my points are valid. This isn’t a playstyle thing it’s a ‘wow you’re fucking scummy’

You have only ever scumread me, so a deviation would be troubling. Sure you could manipulate that but you and I both know you wouldn't go out of your way to do that specifically with me considering a lot of the playerlist are of a higher caliber than I am.

[RCEnigma]

Gamma's attack on me kind of felt like genuine town. Not entirely sure though.

I think you have some trust issues
You scumread people who townread you
And townread people who scumread you
Is this mafia's doing?

*K ONLY SERIOUS GP FROM NOW ON*
Pedit:Oh, how kind

Null read him and scramble his brain.

[RCEnigma]

I chuckled both times.

[RCEnigma]

I think a partner,

or sailor, intentionally

used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

what
there was no pressure pretty sure

On reread, @RCE, why would we if NOT a “partner”,

”intentionally”

“try to divert pressure from [Bitmap or any other] wagon.

I think this could be a possible slip here.

@RCE, you had better explain this or I’m switching my vote to you.

Tired of this slip bullshit and then people push it without logic because someone else is saying slip because at the end the pusher can just say whoops. What is there to explain? There were 2-3 votes on Bit in quick succession and then gamma/bit was poised to be a focal point if not for the snap away into sailor vs Ephraim. The transition was suspect to me in that way because it was just before Bit would have or could have gotten rolling.

No shit I can't say bit definitely would have flipped if that never happened but that's not what I'm pushing.

[RCEnigma]

Well shiro uses cute gifs, that's more reliable than a blood test
-Tana

Shiro is insanely wholesome.

[RCEnigma]

I think a partner,

or sailor, intentionally

used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

what
there was no pressure pretty sure

On reread, @RCE, why would we if NOT a “partner”,

”intentionally”

“try to divert pressure from [Bitmap or any other] wagon.

I think this could be a possible slip here.

@RCE, you had better explain this or I’m switching my vote to you.

Tired of this slip bullshit and then people push it without logic because someone else is saying slip because at the end the pusher can just say whoops. What is there to explain? There were 2-3 votes on Bit in quick succession and then gamma/bit was poised to be a focal point if not for the snap away into sailor vs Ephraim. The transition was suspect to me in that way because it was just before Bit would have or could have gotten rolling.

No shit I can't say bit definitely would have flipped if that never happened but that's not what I'm pushing.

My confusion, is your use of the word “intentionally”. Considering the way you deathtunnelled me in LNT for next to nothing, I don’t understand your reaction at all, Once I get an answer, I’ll be more than happy to drop it. I don’t stop asking questions just because someone gets mad. No one should and I know you agree with this, so why the double standard?

Because I've already answered these or similar questions. I don't really know what you want from me. If you're a bit partner then I could see you trying to transition away. If you aren't then you're probably just town caught up with scum egging on the conflict from the outside. It's an either or statement.

[RCEnigma]

I think a partner,

or sailor, intentionally

used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

what
there was no pressure pretty sure

On reread, @RCE, why would we if NOT a “partner”,

”intentionally”

“try to divert pressure from [Bitmap or any other] wagon.

I think this could be a possible slip here.

@RCE, you had better explain this or I’m switching my vote to you.

Tired of this slip bullshit and then people push it without logic because someone else is saying slip because at the end the pusher can just say whoops. What is there to explain? There were 2-3 votes on Bit in quick succession and then gamma/bit was poised to be a focal point if not for the snap away into sailor vs Ephraim. The transition was suspect to me in that way because it was just before Bit would have or could have gotten rolling.

No shit I can't say bit definitely would have flipped if that never happened but that's not what I'm pushing.

I already told you and told you and told you. The part about a partner

or Sailor INTENTIONALLY

tried to divert the wagon. Why are you ignoring the extremely specific question: What is the town motivation for “intentionally” trying to divert a wagon? It’s really not like you, to continue to misinterpret my question to this extent.

Is it because I separated you from partner? Like it's broken up like that as a partner from outside of the conflict or scum!SS from inside the conflict but I can see Town!SS bring taken advantage of if you aren't the partner. Does that make more sense or am I explaining it weird?

[RCEnigma]

I think a partner,

or sailor, intentionally

used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

what
there was no pressure pretty sure

On reread, @RCE, why would we if NOT a “partner”,

”intentionally”

“try to divert pressure from [Bitmap or any other] wagon.

I think this could be a possible slip here.

@RCE, you had better explain this or I’m switching my vote to you.

Tired of this slip bullshit and then people push it without logic because someone else is saying slip because at the end the pusher can just say whoops. What is there to explain? There were 2-3 votes on Bit in quick succession and then gamma/bit was poised to be a focal point if not for the snap away into sailor vs Ephraim. The transition was suspect to me in that way because it was just before Bit would have or could have gotten rolling.

No shit I can't say bit definitely would have flipped if that never happened but that's not what I'm pushing.

My confusion, is your use of the word “intentionally”. Considering the way you deathtunnelled me in LNT for next to nothing, I don’t understand your reaction at all, Once I get an answer, I’ll be more than happy to drop it. I don’t stop asking questions just because someone gets mad. No one should and I know you agree with this, so why the double standard?

Because I've already answered these or similar questions. I don't really know what you want from me. If you're a bit partner then I could see you trying to transition away. If you aren't then you're probably just town caught up with scum egging on the conflict from the outside. It's an either or statement.

Okay, that makes a lot more sense.

Who do you think was the “scum egging on the conflict from the outside”? It seemed to me that fight was pretty much limited to Krazy/RC?

Yeah but that's mostly due to the time it took place. If anything Dann playing all sides in a short span of time is worth dissecting. LE rehashing the fight after it's conclusion isn't great but I'm kind of biased since I townread the way they flipped on my slot.

[RCEnigma]

If anything Dann playing all sides in a short span of time is worth dissecting

I hardly think voting Senshi and then rethinking it after the fight is "playing all sides." If anything I pretty definitively took Ephraim's side. Also, your assertion that Bitmap vs. Gamma was poised to be a focal point is silly. Virtually no one else was interested in that spat, and both me and Tana said it was not productive.

RCE, do you have opinion not concerning this theory of yours? What are your reads right now, specifically Lady E?

===

I think DDL is town now

I should reconsider LE

Shotgun reads I have pops, Titus, gameplay, ddl, mayyyybe Katsuki.

Town leans on HH, gamma (if bit flips scum), LE (I don't know how much of it is because I truly agree with her stances or because of the re evaluation on my slot.)

I would still flip bit, the rest of the lurkers, chaos, CS today.

HH calling out the reads on T&E is +town. Approaching that slot is weird because direct confrontation gets you into a situation like sailor faced earlier and just ignoring their alignment sets up a fear Lynch down the line if they're town and it plays into their favor if scum since slots are just expecting scum to deal with them. It opens up wifom.

[RCEnigma]

If anything Dann playing all sides in a short span of time is worth dissecting

I hardly think voting Senshi and then rethinking it after the fight is "playing all sides." If anything I pretty definitively took Ephraim's side. Also, your assertion that Bitmap vs. Gamma was poised to be a focal point is silly. Virtually no one else was interested in that spat, and both me and Tana said it was not productive.

RCE, do you have opinion not concerning this theory of yours? What are your reads right now, specifically Lady E?

===

I think DDL is town now

I should reconsider LE

Also I say playing all sides because you went through a really rapid progression of sailor scum for their tana push into a quick unvote and then tried to play mediator to a minor degree. Idk. Maybe no one was interested in bit vs gamma like I thought.

[RCEnigma]

okay thanks

you're null on me then?

I'm wary of you because better players than me hold you highly so I don't know what your ceiling is and at least 1 of these players will better be able to read you than I will.

[RCEnigma]

You two plus Sailor. So everyone directly involved in the conflict directly following bit vs gamma.

You see my point at all?

[RCEnigma]

Well what's your current read on SS? Tana push aside.

[RCEnigma]

I volunteer.

[RCEnigma]

Bit can you expand on your chaos/Katsuki reads. What makes their posts bad and what makes those bad posts scummy?

[RCEnigma]

How does that make Katsuki scum?

[RCEnigma]

interested in more thoughts on this

does anyone else think that LE's previous post does not tonally match the rest of their posting this game at all and could potentially have been written by someone else

Yeah I think it's possible two people are playing on the same account.

[RCEnigma]

The hyena, communistturtle, etc, are mu players?

[RCEnigma]

Pretty sure when RC mentions "posts are being crafted by someone else" he refers to a scum partner.
Granted I do agree with pops that is a lot of words that dont say much in terms of analysis.
-Tana

Was being facetious. I don't mind it being analysis light.

I think they are self aware enough to realize they said lack of analysis was directly in line with their scumplay and linked it earlier this game when making this post. It would be a weird scum flex.

[RCEnigma]

I wasn't attributing it to lloa, you were. It's probably confusing because the second half of Tanas post was also in my quote.

[RCEnigma]

I know I'm weak to AtE

but this page half makes me want to unvote Lady E

...again

Don't dance around it then. It's posts like these that make me iffy because from the outside it looks like you wanting to stay on the wagon but save face if LE flips town.

[RCEnigma]

UNVOTE: well bend me over I guess.

[RCEnigma]

I feel like people are going to incorrectly townread LE re-committing on bitmap.

Too late.

[RCEnigma]

Uh rambling before sleep
1. I'm glad I don't need to read Bitmap anymore
2. Eva you know mechanically it's wrong to vote Bitmap here
3. Can I ask you all to take a dive into RCE's ISO sometime
Because here honestly I'm reading him as scum for being underwhelming compared to meta and ya know, not being obv town, but frankly I haven't done any actual work here. I will do that after work tmr!
Another thing is just
There are votes on RCE but it feels like it never amounted to any real pressure? does that make sense
It's like anytime mentioning RCE could be scum it's usually
"Oh yeah he could be a wolf but lets lynch Eva first", "lynch Bitmap first"
"RCE and Bitmap/Eva" could be wolves together
It just feels really like
Scum that lowkey has pressure diverted away from them

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- Hideri

Do we have meta outside of port Arthur?

[RCEnigma]

Why can't we go onto Enigma?

Yes.

Maria's scumread isn't even real so...

[RCEnigma]

I hate all of these pushes.

[RCEnigma]

The fact that people (Bitmap, Pops, HH, LE, and several others) are still talking about this game like my slot isn't the towniest slot in the game by far

You said I said you paying no attention is town indicative and i never said that.

No I meant you explained the fact that untagged posts were you. Very weird mistake but okay.

I think that's actually the most obvious way to read that post.

Ok but like you say this every game. Being town isn't town indicative for you.

[RCEnigma]

NGL ive been actively avoiding reading any of pops posts that aren't quoted.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not going with this, HH.

Would rather you do whatever you're going to do on someone else.

Why? Because you suspect HH(?) Or the two of them together?

[RCEnigma]

Wouldn't you being nked give more weight to your read?

[RCEnigma]

Generally no but RC is a different case.

[RCEnigma]

For 1 there's no way T and E is a vig target so even if there are multiple night 1 kills T and E being the scum nk and like a vig on an on wagon voter (dunno why but hypothetical) 2 votes away from LE.

On the other hand HH can potentially clear LE and bit resolves his own slot. T and E dying doesn't detract from the LE wagon if there's a roleblocker or HH is lying.

[RCEnigma]

I just finished a game where I called Shoshin (who was scum) obviously scum from 2 pages into the game, townies got mad at me for being "anti-town" for pushing her lynch so I got off and lynched the other scum, then she endgamed.

For most townies, yes. But this lobby is filled with people with strong personalities and strong opinions of their towngames who will play their own game instead of listening to me, and those kinds of people are very dangerous to my winrate.

Yeah I read that game but Shoshin is a different player with a different reputation for strong townplay which holds weight.

[RCEnigma]

Generally no but RC is a different case.

If Dendrek can NK Apoc at f5 and go on to win, nobody is immune to being ignored.

This might as well be Chinese.

[RCEnigma]

Pops can you please uncolor? My cold is already making it hard to focus and the pink on half black is killing my eyes/head.

[RCEnigma]

I'm not going with this, HH.

Would rather you do whatever you're going to do on someone else.

Why? Because you suspect HH(?) Or the two of them together?

She can be roleblocked or something and I think if that happens and we end up gone then they'll still end up not lynched.

Wouldn't scum roleblock priority be me though?

Oh... I kinda wanna vote HH here and moonlogic again.

[RCEnigma]

I don't wanna vote LE but you guys do your thing. If LE is town HH is like 83% scum here.

[RCEnigma]

That's better pops thank you.

[RCEnigma]

RCE I'm not really following your thought processes at all

I think there's a possibility HH is trying to keep LE from voyeuring bit so scum can disrupt the IC claim.

[RCEnigma]

RCE I'm not really following your thought processes at all

When does anyone though.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: HH

[RCEnigma]

RC shading for a slot he doesn't townread.

[RCEnigma]

RCE I'm not really following your thought processes at all

I think there's a possibility HH is trying to keep LE from voyeuring bit so scum can disrupt the IC claim.

Voyeuring how?
I thought she's supposed to transform to exit her hood first, or did i misinterpret her claim.
-Tana

Can it not be done the same night?

[RCEnigma]

I guess you aren't the right person to ask.

[RCEnigma]

i'm shading attempts to counterwagon a slot that I think is scum, correct.

what, are you calling me scum?

I'm calling you annoying.

[RCEnigma]

Oh fair. LE is your transformation over 2 nights?

[RCEnigma]

Like do you leave the neighborhood and become miller the night you transform and then the voyeur ability is available the night after?

[RCEnigma]

Can we get a VC?

[RCEnigma]

I dont understand how time travel equals follower.

-Tana

Idk she followed her through time. I don't try to make sense of flavor.

[RCEnigma]

But cmon GAMMA HAS SUCH AWFUL VOTES THIS GAME

I have pretty much the same votes, why focus on gamma?

[RCEnigma]

I think I made a bad call but I'm staying on wagon to spite RC.

[RCEnigma]

I don't have strong feelings on DDL. I'm not super against a lynch there.

Don't you think I'm scum LE?

[RCEnigma]

If you can make moving my vote to ddl worth more than mooning RC then sure.

[RCEnigma]

If you can make moving my vote to ddl worth more than mooning RC then sure.

If DDL flips scum that

is

mooning RC. You'll have followed his #1 scumread onto a scum he completely dismissed.

@Tana And Ephiraim: You had me at L-1 several hours ago and I've been holding on by my fingernails ever since. Fuck off with this shit.

Lol ok good argument VOTE: DDL

[RCEnigma]

DDL WAGON NEVER STICKED WHILE EVAS DID FOR FIVE YEARS
thanks

DDL WAGON NEVER EVEN HAPPENED

Hey @all who want to avoid the LE lynch.
THERE IS A DAY 2 REMEMBER?
IF LE FLIPS TOWN WE GO AFTER ALL OF THOSE YOU GUYS WANT DEAD.
But do you really think that we are solving the problem here and now by letting her life? She is obviously creating very polarizing opinions and it is very likely going to be so throughout the whole game. If not today, then she is gonna come up again tomorrow, if not tomorrow, then sometime down the line and eventually end up in endgame(if she doesn't get lynched and she obv isn't getting nk with the way she is) and make us regret everything before.

Don't you do this to me.

[RCEnigma]

Medical dog emergency* I might be around tomorrow if things go well.

[RCEnigma]

*Long story short, dog will be ok for now*

So I skimmed a bit and I was also hit with a day ability. I'm pretty sure I know who it is but I don't think outing is is very useful yet. Umm if anyone is on right now which page did day start on? Otherwise I'll just read backwards.

[RCEnigma]

Titus what flipped your read on me? And what flipped your read on pops?

[RCEnigma]

I've been, neutered so to speak.

[RCEnigma]

My gut feeling tells me that the HH slot has >50% scum equity in it.

Agreed but you keep trying to murder me, not cool dude.

[RCEnigma]

Titus what flipped your read on me? And what flipped your read on pops?

My situation with pops has been discussed ad nauseam. My townread on you grew stale and a bit of PoE. With LLD and Katsuki > random to be town, something had to give. I couldn't remember and recent contributions made.

We need to keep obvious town working together too, so that's why.

Yeah I saw a thing happened with pops but I have only read the back end. I just felt like your pops read was being dictacted by T&E's read on pops.

[RCEnigma]

Already asked GIF. If we were docced last night it would have, doc tonight doesn't do anything.

So... my Titus read is weird because there's a core meta tell that I look at that is usually universally present or absent depending on her alignment

but it's present some but not all of the time this game which is weird and aaaaa

Here for future notes.

[RCEnigma]

Titus haven't you hardclaimed already?

[RCEnigma]

Flavor claimed* sorry.

[RCEnigma]

I'm less sure who targeted me now.

[RCEnigma]

I'm less sure who targeted me now.

No that was me.

How does that fit with your flavor?

[RCEnigma]

I'm less sure who targeted me now.

No that was me.

Can I ask how this works? Like without outing the function?

[RCEnigma]

You guys are misordering things right now. I didn't move onto sailor because of my theory or read. I was already voting sailor when they clashed with Ephraim and voted bitmap not long after it.

Well that’s kind of the problem. You really didn’t have a good reason to vote us. And you didn’t provide a reason either, just told Gamma that “he should know it’s a good vote”.

As Gamma should. I've used this to get Nancy to spew alignment multiple times and it was no different here. Though I think Krazys posting was more alignment indicative than Nancy's when I did come to the conclusion the slot was prob town.

[RCEnigma]

LNT for example. Because after Overkill I thought the best way to get Town!Nancy to spew was to create conflict. It was part of the reason I went hard on the role pm.

Pfup as well, originally. Until the reaction spewed your Hydra scum in my eyes.

You were there but I can still link both games for everyone else to see what I mean I guess.

[RCEnigma]

Unless I'm talking to Krazy right now in which case no I've never reaction tested you.

[RCEnigma]

Not opposed to flavor claiming.

[RCEnigma]

K-k-kawaii.

[RCEnigma]

I'm stocking from Panty and Stocking

And I literally just choose if my stocking is on or off during the day but I've been locked into my action for the night.

[RCEnigma]

Yeah idk how it has anything to do with alignment. But roles aren't super locked to flavor given Titus' ability + flavor.

[RCEnigma]

@RC, I think we can do RCE but he

ate the dayblock

so it's probably better to lynch Dann.

What does this mean?

My transformation was sealed. I didn't really want to throw Titus ability out there but she did herself so.

[RCEnigma]

I cleared the part I was confused about with Gif. I'm just locked into the action I used previously.

[RCEnigma]

My day ability is my ability to transform.

[RCEnigma]

Oh no, my day ability is just choosing to take my stocking off which is my transformation or to leave it on which is also a night passive.

[RCEnigma]

I mean that hinges on me being scum.

[RCEnigma]

It just locks your day ability.

[RCEnigma]

Lynch town, shoot scum, Lynch more town.

[RCEnigma]

I hope your dog is ok RCE

For the immediate future she's ok. But she's 8 going on 9 so it's been a wake up call.

[RCEnigma]

VOTE: HH if I'm not already.

[RCEnigma]

[RCEnigma]

LLD my hero!

[RCEnigma]

GG all. Ty for modding!

[RCEnigma]

I'm cool with releasing the mafia pt minus the part I cried.

[RCEnigma]

Town lost krazy’s anime upick too because town claimed masons with scum
Can we just not
Town shouldnt have to analyze the game with the consideration that there could be other town gamethrowing

Assume every other townie is throwing and it becomes a non-issue.

[RCEnigma]

I didn't mislynch Dannflor, he pocketed me with kittens.

RCEnigma still owes me a genuine townblock

I thought you were pretty townie.