Magical Girls UPick - Heart of Shadow (Game Over)

[Tana and Ephraim]

Hello.
I realize we have no avatar yet, ill work on fixing that.

VOTE: popsofctown

Prob scum.

Why?
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

VOTE: pops
Ig ill do that until Ephraim comes and magically solves the game

-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

VOTE: Tana and Ephraim

Oh Spicy.
-Tana

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prod dodge

NASTY
Also if I'd known what Sakura and RC were going to do in advance I 100% would have paged FL to hydra with me

What is this supposed to mean
-Tana

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oh I forgot that was RC

VOTE: popsofctown

Wait RC is in this game?

Yup! that he is
-Tana

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oh I forgot that was RC

VOTE: popsofctown

RC hasnt posted yet, and why does him being hydra with me make you change your vote?
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

Hey im still half of this hydra
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

I'm just kinda bored

this game is slow

Hello, my name is Sakura, and im a speedposter.
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

Ah i see, it's ok i'll be obvtown before the end of the day.
And then you can all sheep RC
-Tana

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In the meantime ill just help dann with his wagon
VOTE: bitmap
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

Totally not because i want to see more kittens

-Tana

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Dann maybe town

-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

no

real life sucks

NO

real life is ok

I hope im not the only one that got a giggle out of this.
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

Gameplay seems much more opportunistic.

He has a naked, buzzword filled vote pattern

that sought permission/popularity for his vote.

Can you give quotes of the bolded? I'm not seeing this
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

RC does his being RC thing.

Well this is gonna get confusing fast
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

This. It's got nothing but "odd" and "good" which mean nothing for a serious FoS and then his vote.

Actually i focused too much on his FoS on you that I realize that i dont see how bitmap is "good"
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

Like here im hoping RC a.k.a RADIANT COWBELLS, comes and helps me sort bitmap coz im not good at sorting those types of players.
-Tana

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I never said it was a serious fos.

Hey guys! he never said it was a serius fos, he said it was a

semi-serious fos

, VERY VERY DIFFERENT.
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

I have a tendency to think town reads on me are scummy lately.

But but but I townread you in Starry Night and again in Guns and Roses!

Werent you scum in Starry Night tho
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

RC does his being RC thing.

Well this is gonna get confusing fast
-Tana

Hm?

Because there's 2 RCs
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

Gameplay is a typical newer-ish villager with his hot takes and shit thats too eager to share

>2014 >A search of topics posted in shows a bunch of games
>newer-ish?
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

Misc. Setup Information

• This game contains 13
  Heart of Light
  and 4
  Heart of Shadow
  .
  
• There are no third parties in this game.
  
• There are no bastard roles or hidden mechanics in this game.

It is public info
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

If you guys are gonna plan ahead, might be worth mentioning that we transform automatically, not manually, we cant control it, but it happens on certain conditions that i dont think it's good to share.
At least that's what I understood from all the questions I asked GIF.
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

I'm starting to get kinda lost and I havent seen RC yet so im just gonna
UNVOTE:
for now and actually try to find

scum

town without memeing
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

Ok from a quick skim im liking Titus, bitmap and pops for town.
-Tana

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And a lean town on Eventide and Gamma.
-Tana

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Although I was tempted to avoid talking about you and RC all together given you just scumread whoever pushes you

That's... not wrong.
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

But it's ok MariaR you're free to scumread me all you want, it's a free magic country
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

Dont worry, you wont have to worry about me, specially with RC being in the hydra
-Tana

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Actually I was thinking of alleviating the paranoia coz im probably easier to read than RC, so that RC can do his thing without being worried about paranoia reads on him
-Tana

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Actually...

Like here im hoping RC a.k.a RADIANT COWBELLS, comes and helps me sort bitmap coz im not good at sorting those types of players.
-Tana

Ok from a quick skim im liking Titus,

bitmap

and pops for town.
-Tana

What changed here?

I made a decission based on your posting because I havent heard from RC yet.
-Tana

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Who's shadoweh again?
-Tana

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I feel like i've heard that name before
-Tana

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I didn't misread you in Project Arch tho, what makes you think i'd misread you here?
-Tana

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Like if it isnt obvious im trying to learn to read people im usually paranoid of, i did that with you and RC in Project Arch
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

My usefulness to town is significantly dependent on how everyone chooses to relate to me in the game. I struggle with dealing with policy scumreads on my slot and townies who get salty and no effort when I scumread them the blame me for not changing my read.

I would appreciate it if people put in the effort to relate to me in a healthy way because it will pay dividends both in terms of town success and an enjoyable game.

~Ephraim

[Tana and Ephraim]

Speaking of, Titus.

I don't have a grudge against you. I haven't posted yet. I certainly wouldn't policy lynch you unless I felt I had to to win. Do I think that you're not a great town player? Yes. But it's not personal unless you choose to take it as such and I feel like you have done so and made personal attacks on me in past games accusing me of "replacing out to save my winrate" as a result of you taking so personally.

If you perform well over several consecutive games I'll reevaluate that read but I'm not going to give your reads any more consideration ~for coming from you~ than your performance to date suggests. That doesn't mean I'll ignore the stuff that you post because it comes from you, it means that "this read comes from Titus" is not a point in the reads favor like it would be if you were, for example, northsidegal. That's it.

[Tana and Ephraim]

The fact that both LLD and Katsuki have expressed intent to lurk is beyond concerning and I don't think either slot should be left alive past even day 1 if they are lurking.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Is that to me or someone else? I hadn't read this game until today.

~Ephraim

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Maria you can confidently read Gamma Emerald, correct?

[Tana and Ephraim]

I'll take that as intent to ignore me and carry on.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Bitmap, what are your reads so far outside of Ms. Eventides?

[Tana and Ephraim]

I posted something towards you on the last page that I'd appreciate you reading. I'm sorry about your situation.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Townreads on Titus, MariaR, DDL as of right now.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Like the not being impressed by your ability was not a scum tactic but the way I approached it absolutely was.

[Tana and Ephraim]

MariaR and Shadoweh seem the same to me I can't tell

I come to this website to scumhunt not to alt-hunt. I am even worse at alt-hunting than I am at mafia.

Is this because of them not signing their posts?
-Tana

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It's ok Titus, hopefully you can read me at least!
-Tana

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Trusting my initial feelings and trying not to overthink things. I'm open to changing all of those reads. ~Ephraim

Know that I bear no ill will from that game btw.

This wasn't what I felt when you replaced into my slot in the other game and accused me of tactical replacing and such but I completely understand how RL stress impacts mafia.
I think how abrasive I am in mafia is pretty 1-1 with my mood and general situation IRL.

I don't think we'll be alive long regardless.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Like im going to say this at once, i will not accept paranoia reads on RC because im here.
Anything gameplay related feel free to throw our way.
-Tana

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Also speaking of, anyone's free to ask me questions about the reads i posted earlier
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

Cafe stile is okay as well I guess.
I have 1 slot I dislike in the active players and I suspect all or most of the remaining scum are in the slots that have few posts.

[Tana and Ephraim]

I count them as one of the many slots who has not done enough to be readable.
As of right now I think the most productive thing is to force the less active slots to produce content.

I do scumread Bitmap and I feel like my reasoning is pretty good but I don't think going after them is a good idea right now, bigger fish and all that.

[Tana and Ephraim]

That was from Ephraim, sorry.

[Tana and Ephraim]

I'll try to always sign my posts coz RC might forget.
-Tana

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B) If you're scum well I'm sure people will paranoia lynch you in time.

I'll do my due diligence and follow up on stuff that I'm not necessarily scumreading and that includes this.
You know that this is untrue given that we just finished the game where I managed to get every single non-confirmed town slot besides the 1 nightkill I got lynched.

Since you're not saying it because you believe it, why exactly are you saying it?

[Tana and Ephraim]

Gameplay is also more likely to be town than scum. ~Ephraim

[Tana and Ephraim]

I took "hey I'm playing borderlands 3" to be expressing an intent to lurk. If you're not expressing said intent, then you don't have to worry about that.
I was moreso talking to Katsuki there given he literally just said he's proxying his vote to Titus whereas I wasn't as clear on how active you were going to be, but I did feel like it would be beneficial to express that for either of you, lurking is sufficient reason to lynch you.

[Tana and Ephraim]

You have all the time in the world as long as it happens during this day phase.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Again, I'm not telling you to stop doing whatever you're doing. You having said you're playing before the end of the day is good enough for me.
If you feel the need to take that as a threat then you can do so but I doubt you'd take it lying down if I 0 posted either.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Pops also might be scum.

LLD's entrance is good enough. ~Ephraim

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Feeling worse and worse about Bitmap scumread and better and better about this one:

VOTE: Popsofctown

~Ephraim

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I'm not townreading LLD, but I'm not scumreading her either. I'm not quite sure what your expectations are here: do you think that she's actually been scummy?

[Tana and Ephraim]

Fair.

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Pops, Bitmap, no reaction to my scumreads on you? ~Ephraim

[Tana and Ephraim]

I just realized that Lily is not Hanasawa.

[Tana and Ephraim]

I expected the reaction before I said I wasn't so sure.

[Tana and Ephraim]

I don't think that's a towny reaction. I'm not scumreading you for lack of desire to win, I'm scumreading you for something that I'll keep to myself for now.

[Tana and Ephraim]

And like, I think "your reasons to scumread me are valid so I don't scumread you for it and I'll do better layer and -justification for why you scumread me-" is a pretty typical scum response.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Don't take "good enough" as meaning anything besides "good enough."

[Tana and Ephraim]

Assuming that the currently posting Lady Eventide head is Evenstar.
Would they mind linking their last 3 completed town games and last 1 completed scum game, on whatever site they happened to be on?

[Tana and Ephraim]

~Ephraim

[Tana and Ephraim]

Oh looks like someone's getting punished real fucking soon

?

[Tana and Ephraim]

I figure as long as I alywas sign my posts differentiating those of mine from RC should be easy enough.
Unsgined posts or posts signed as Ephraim are all RC so far.
-Tana

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I don't expect to live past day 1. I won't be "giving you time to show that you're town" unless that's going to be happening before the end of this day.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Well my morale just took a nosedive due to a just finished game.
Just letting you all know, that i may need a day or 2 to recover.
-Tana

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Sakura Hana is pretty great

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Pops you're scum.

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Can you guys get over that game and play this one?

[Tana and Ephraim]

Bitmap, I find it quite peculiar you think scum wouldn't lead a wagon. Because you seemed to be convinced I was scum by voting patterns after I led the Chemist lynch in Hidden Speezy, which goes against your professed logic here. Obviously you're being dishonest somewhere and you were town that game so: get rekt kiddo.

You also flipped town that game
-Tana

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Bitmap vs Gamma bores me.
It feels like one person is talking about chocolates and the other is talking about rabbits.
-Tana

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Like I get the point they are both trying to make, but instead of crossing paths it seems like they just keep missing each other.
-Tana

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Yeah, Gamma's push on Bitmap is bad, but I think it's the town sort of bad.

I agree with this
-Tana

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Hi Tana!

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Hi Ephraim!
-Tana

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Someone better start posting if you're town

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I'll lynch you if you don't

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Yeah

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Bitmap, I find it quite peculiar you think scum wouldn't lead a wagon. Because you seemed to be convinced I was scum by voting patterns after I led the Chemist lynch in Hidden Speezy, which goes against your professed logic here. Obviously you're being dishonest somewhere and you were town that game so: get rekt kiddo.

You also flipped town that game
-Tana

Yes, that doesn't change the fact Bitmap pushed me
Like, what

It would probably change his perspective on the tell. However i pointed that out prematurely as i read your quote of his TR of Dann I felt like that was a bit stronger than I remembered. But as I kept reading i felt like it's just misunderstanding on both sides.
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

Humans post more as town, in general.

But are us magical girls considered humans?
-Tana

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I kinda want to lynch this Sailor Senshi person
-Tana

[Tana and Ephraim]

A lot of things are happening in this thread and this:

Here's what I want to know.

Why does GiF host anime themed games but also try to lynch anime avatars as a player?

Is the one thing that bugs your mind?
-Tana

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Are you saying you actually think Bitmap vs. Gamma is interesting? Or what are these "things" you claim are happening in this game that are actually AI or significant?

Considering you havent commented on anything on the game, I'd ask, what are your reads.
Or are you insinuating that nothing in this game is actually AI or significant? (see what i did there)
-Tana

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A lot of things are happening in this thread

You know what? Lynch all liars

VOTE: Tana

I'll take that as a "no"
VOTE: Sailor
-Tana

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I haven't been posting because the thread is dull and nothing of significance is going on.

Clearly I think otherwise, and you pushing me for asking your opinion is scummy
-Tana

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LLD <-> Evenstar
My push on Popsofctown
Gamma spat is also pretty readable

Who is posting from sailor senshi right now and why are you trying to browbeat my Hydra partner?

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Clearly I think otherwise, and you pushing me for asking your opinion is scummy
-Tana

Okay, if you think otherwise, then just rapid fire bullet points -- what are the significant things happening in the game right now?

titus v gameplay
bitmap's posting.
lady's posting
pops' posting.
people's reads.
the wagons that have happened.
To name a few
-Tana

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This is Ephraim by the way in case that wasn't obvious

I also think that saying that I'm going to lynch you if you don't post doesn't merit the reaction that it got from you: wanna talk about that?

[Tana and Ephraim]

502-504 Ephraim 503 Tana

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I feel like Senshi is trying to bully Tana into reacting badly or closing up in a way that will make her look bad.

[Tana and Ephraim]

I expect 0 people to agree with 507 even after/if Senshi flips scum but Krayzy feels super aggro and it feels super fake to me and as someone who plays high intensity as scum in certain situations to make town slip up and incriminate themselves, that's what this feels like to me.

~Ephrajm

[Tana and Ephraim]

Your push is incredibly forced.

And why does that make me scum?

Both members of this Hydra are widely known to play worse when were being pushed for bad reasons and you come in with this blatantly bullshit push on my Hydra partner. You know better than to reaction test either of us doing this, and you know better than to scumread Tana for this, so why would you do this if you're not scum? Enlighten me

No, I said if you lurked I'd lynch you. I said that to several other players in this game. You picked a fight with the other head over this. if you have a problem with me, why go after Tana besides thinking that she's an easier target?

[Tana and Ephraim]

Dannflor is another person who used similar phrasing hostile so you can't exactly dispute my use of the phrase high intensity unless you're calling us scumbuddies who communicated an attempt to misrep you.

[Tana and Ephraim]

You're getting pretty close to the end of my good faith engagement.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Or what are these "things" you claim are happening in this game that are actually AI or significant?

insinuating that there's nothing "actually AI" in this game indicates that perhaps you're the one misrepresenting facts to pUsH aN aGeNdA

So much this
-Tana

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I said that if you lurked I'd lynch you. Like I said to both Katsuki and LLD and others. I didn't force you to post in real time. You aren't pushing me for content, you're calling my Hydra partner scum on bullshit pretenses, and our Hydra has a zillion times more content than anyone else so why would you be going after us anyway?

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Alright I don't care if you are town anymore with how much you're distorting reality to try to justify your current stance.

VOTE: Sailor Senshi

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I said that if you lurked I'd lynch you.

Okay and why do you think that is a realistic concern with Nancy? This game started yesterday. Did you actually think that was a real concern that you had to make a whiny threat like that? All it accomplished was making me too annoyed to townread you and losing my goodfaith in your slot.

Nah you're scum.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Tana is 200% justified in calling you out for not engaging with the game.

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Yeah pops might be scum but is that actually interesting?

The heck?
Yes, this is mafia, if you actually think I'm scum it should be outright fascinating. That's literally the entire game.

This post made me laugh for some reason specially the "outright fascinating" part, thanks, i needed that.
-Tana

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Look, I just think your push doesn't make sense.

I mean it wouldn't be the first time I pushed someone for being annoying and I doubt it will be the last.

You're being really trashy right now.

[Tana and Ephraim]

I think it's actually disgusting that Krazy pushed our slot in a scummy fashion citing ridiculously dishonest reasoning and is now trying to play it off as a "we asked for it by discouraging lurking and Tana getting salty that he wasn't content posting." I would sincerely hope that this isn't a line of play by town them. I think this situation makes a ton of sense coming from scum them.

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You're being really trashy right now.

Your slot tried to force a scumread on me off an opening joke immediately after saying you want to lynch us two days into a game because 2/3 of the heads hadn't started playing yet. Also, RC makes a ton of whiny posts as scum which means I do in fact usually need to test his level of whininess when he starts making whiny posts, which he did as soon as I pushed you out of annoyance.

-Mercury

Same thing I said to several other people

Also calling my posts whiny is a deliberate move to provoke an angry reaction from me.

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SS is scum we should lynch them posthaste

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Woah woah woah woah woah.

I will pause my past reading for a bit, what the hell is going on today

Sialor Venus.

To summarize, your hydra partner decided to throw an irrelevant to the game, post in the middle of the game, and I prodded them for info, to which they said there was nothing interesting happening, and when i said i disagreed, they voted me with a "Lynch all liars" post saying it was an "objective" fact that there was nothing AI going in the game.
-Tana

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If they were town someone would have shut Krazy the fuck up.

He's still posting because it's all posturing.

[Tana and Ephraim]

ND would never let someone post any of these recent posts from a Hydra that she was part of and the fact that Shiro and ND immediately show up in thread after being absent for several days phases when their slot comes under fire is not a coincidence.

[Tana and Ephraim]

Uh Ephraim i dont think "several days phases" is accurate. XD
-Tana

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If they were town someone would have shut Krazy the fuck up.

He's still posting because it's all posturing.

Yeah, except you have also played with scum me a bunch of times and I pretty much always slide past you because I know how to manipulate you emotionally.

I also know that pissing you off is likely to make you tunnel me because at some point you'll just stop caring about alignment and exclusively play to defend your ego.

So if you stopped to think about it you'd know that I only provoke you when I am town to get a sense of how you're approaching the game.

-Mercury

Everything in this post is untrue without exception.

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Krazy you're scum in the game but you're also scum in real life.

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I claim a guilty on Sailor Senshi.

Lynch them today, if they're town, lynch us tomorrow.

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Man, I think you're dead wrong on several counts and making a mistake

I don't know if you're actually scum

Does it matter at this point?

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Krazy, this anger is town indicative for Sakura.

I thought nosigs was RC though?

-Mercury

nosigs and ephraim sig is RC. Tana sig is me
-Tana

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For context, everything started here 485
-Tana

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I don't want to have to deal with Krazy's completely unjustified attack on my character. I don't want to have to deal with his bizarre assertion that he knows how to emotionally manipulate me when he's 1-1 versus town me and the win was the more recent game. Every single thing that he has posted has been false in multiple dimensions from the moment that he's started posting. I don't believe, ND, that you in this situation as town start talking to me as opposed to trying to get Krazy to stop doing what he's doing unless you're scum who thinks that Krazy's play is going to get you townread.

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Everything in this post is untrue without exception.

lol

Doesn't matter whether you agree with my assessment, the question is whether I think it's true. And the fact of the matter is I don't care about you when I'm scum, but I find you incredibly grating when you are scum and I am town. That being said you can also be really manipulative as town so this isn't totally outside your town range.

-Mercury

How dishonest is moving the goalposts to "whether I think it's true"?

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It's not okay for him to act like a martyr because I was pushing Sakura, and his hyperbolic fake guilties and other nonsense do not make me interested in believing he's approaching the game in good faith.

I didn't start making a martyr until you started personally attacking me. Until then I was simply pointing out your play was scum motivated.

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Krazy you're scum in the game but you're also scum in real life.

And people are qqing at me here

Like seriously RC, that's not an OK post to make.

-Mercury

I stand by it in reaction to what you've been saying.

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You are clearly objectively trying to piss me off and upset me.
I don't like that. I don't care what your alignment is if this is how you're going to behave

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If you complain that you cant read RC then maybe you should read me instead of attacking me for trying to get you to make content so that i can read you
-Tana

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I even explained that I wasn't really particularly into the game and he continued to escalate the confrontation. Now he's started making incredibly aggressive posts.

I literally

At the time

Said repeatedly that I didn't care who posted and that I just refused to have your slot lurk, similar to other slots.

This is not saying that. This is saying something totally different in a way that makes me look bad.

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OK.

You should be temp banned for that though because it's totally uncalled for. Everything I said was about how you play as the scum alignment vs. how you play as the town alignment. I have not attacked your person directly at all and this is totally unnecessary.

-Mercury

Wow great scum strategy try to pursue modkills on the person calling you out.

[Tana and Ephraim]

574 was a personal attack. I retaliated in kind.

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RC, you should probably stop letting Krazy provoke you.
-Tana

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I'm more readable than you and im here so this sort of thing doesnt happen
-Tana

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Mod intervention hahahahahahahaha

Like any of the listmods give the slightest fuck when someone makes a go at me. Someone makes a go at me somewhere on site once every few days.

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Idk who this krazy person is, but im pretty sure both you and me can probably get a better read on nancy and shiro, specially if what Krazy says it's true, but i dont like you both arguing to the point of ad hominem because it wont help anyone.
-Tara

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Ok now that you 2 are here and posting, can we get some actual content from your hydra.
That was the whole reason this started to begin with.
-Tana

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I do not attempt to make people not enjoy the game. Ever. And I've thrown multiple games rather than have the games be terrible for everyone else to play.

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I resolve Krazy and RC not speak to each other directly. Who’s with me?

If you're town, read the start of the engagement and take a stance on who actually created this conflict.

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It's ok RC, i think you should just cool your head for a bit, i can take over for now. I know already how you feel about Krazy and the hydra, but as i said before flinging personal insults dont help anyone. There are 2 other hydra heads in that hydra that you can read if talking with Krayz is gonna make you like this. Because I rather you be having fun.
-Tana

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Everything that he has said since replacing in, regarding me, regarding my self statements, regarding the game, regarding the development of this conflict is clearly, objectively a falsehood.

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Then why are you doing a both sides thing instead of addressing the problem?

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"I don't like the way RC plays scum" is a personal insult

Huh it's almost like this isn't what you said

Are you unable to keep facts straight or are you wilfully lying to make me look bad?

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Then why are you doing a both sides thing instead of addressing the problem?

RC, you’re being really unfair to me. I haven’t read that part yet and none of it is my doing. :/

Do you think if Tana was doing what Krazy is doing to me to you I wouldn't consider it my responsibility to step in?

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Ok now that you 2 are here and posting, can we get some actual content from your hydra.
That was the whole reason this started to begin with.
-Tana

Ask me stuff \o/

At the top of my head 8 disliked the post that excused gameplay by saying that he was newish playstyle kinda thing. I don't remember who made it after I forcused on today however. Soooo oops.

I town read Titus and you, I am being told Dan is town in our hydra discord.

Everyone else is null for me.

Are you caught up? that looks kinda weak if you are. Otherwise i rather you finish catching up
-Tana

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Are you unable to keep facts straight or are you wilfully lying to make me look bad?

Why do you want to keep this going?

-Mercury

I want a long term resolution to this situation.

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Also you're still making potshots at me

But I'm supposed to not respond to said potshots or I'm keeping it going?

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Sigh

-Tana

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This doesn't get mediated while Krazy is dragging my name through the mud every other post

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I had no idea Krazy hated me until this game.

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Idk, what's worse, the fact that they keep complaining about the personal insults, or the fact that i just came out from a game full of way worse and no one complained.
-Tana

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OK.

You should be temp banned for that though because it's totally uncalled for. Everything I said was about how you play as the scum alignment vs. how you play as the town alignment. I have not attacked your person directly at all and this is totally unnecessary.

-Mercury

Wow great scum strategy try to pursue modkills on the person calling you out.

That's not the case at all? He said temp ban not modkill

It all adds up to the same thing, using mod action to get me out of the game because his ridiculous push on me didn't get him anywhere

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Nancy, if you're town, can you please tell Krazy to stop provoking RC.
RC, can you please stop replying to Krazy's provocations.
-Tana

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I'll stop posting about or to Krazy so long as he stops posting to or about me but if it happens again I'm not holding bac

Oh look more of the same.

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Like Krazy keeps having goes at me
And you guys aren't doing anything about it
And then bemoaning the fact that this is still going on

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Krazy your post could easily be taken as a person attack and someone like rc who is no stranger to people personally attacking him has more of a chance to take it that way as well.

Yes, but literally every time I play with RC he *makes* everything a personal attack, and now he *used that perceived slight* to rationalize and justify *a direct insult to me*.

That's not okay, and given he has demoralized me out of games before, I'm not going to let him do it. While I was being aggressive, there was no need for him to escalate in the way that he did.

-Mercury

Stop! RC is not like that, he can be nice if you dont provoke him, which is what you're doing.
-Tana

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The difference is that I was upset when I said what I said and lashed out.

Krazy is actively seeking to hurt and upset me with his posting

He has been attacking me nonstop.

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He perceives your provocations have the intent of making us slip up and use that against us to drive a mislynch, which is certainly possible it's your objective, which is why you're being SR so hard by RC. If you have trouble reading RC without provoking him and you're town then read my posting instead.
-Tara

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You accused me of bullying your hydra partner when I provoked them into summarizing the game

In a game related sense yes I did. Did I accuse you of bullying them as in being terrible to them? no.

You accused me of directly attacking you when I simply observed the true fact that I have found your scum play frustrating in the past

I don't think that I need to unpack why I don't even remember the post number anymore pissed me off. I really don't think that I do.

It's not okay for you to insult me to my face and then say that I'm the one being mean

If you're not trying to hurt and upset me why do you keep bringing this up in the face of me wanting this to stop, tana wanting this to stop, both your hydra partners wanting this to stop?

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His entire philosophy of scum play is to make people stop wanting to play the game,

Like I'll start with here: I literally threw team mafia, a super high profile game, because I didn't want to deal with how upset half the game was because of the rate me and Chesskid were posting.
I have never ever ever played a strategy revolving around making people not enjoy the game. I have expressly disavowed others for doing so. Even a lot of my scum victories were marked by the townies as their favorite games. It's actually extremely hard work to NOT make the game unpleasant as scum who wins nearly all of the time but I still put in that effort. I don't deserve this.

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RC being the one to escalate it from your interactions with Sakura

He was saying objectively incorrect things, I asked him why he would be saying objectively incorrect things as town (which is a step that shows a ton more good faith than the situation warranted in my opinion), and then he said I was scum for being "whiny" and I kept calling him scum and it led to 574.

I don't think I escalated things. At worst I'm to blame for threatening to lynch him for lurking, but I have said the same thing to several other slots in this game.

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Krazy, i stg, if my hydra partner gets kicked out of the game because you provoked him, i'm never moving my vote off you until either you or me die. Now instead of talking "RC did this" "RC did that" how about you talk to me instead.
(Actually i should have gone to sleep like an hour and a half ago, but it's kinda hard to with all that's going on here scaring me that what i said might happen)
-Tana

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Actually im just gonna go to sleep right now, i hope i dont wake up to like 10 more pages of complaining and instead i hope it's people talking about the game.
-Tana

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Eh question goes to you too Sakura and btw nothing was to the point that needs mid intervention, gif is cool he won't do anything, worse things have happened.

I currently still dislike Krazy's initial vote on me and subsequent posts.
However he has admitted that he was BSing a read.
At this point i dont even know coz im not in a state of mind to make rational decisions, im mostly trying to douse this fire so more game content can be produced.
I did give Krazy the summary he asked, so did RC, why dont you start there and give your opinions on those points.
-Tana

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What do you guys think about Pops? I think Dann may be right. His posts seem really fake, forced and tryharding.

Pops was RC's SR before we voted you.
-Tana

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So here's the thing, while I still dislike the way Krazy approached our slot, I can see a world where he actually thought that was a good idea as town, if what he said in his engagement with RC like "I wasnt planning on posting" and "I got attacked when i was trying to warm up to the thread" is to be believed. Nancy and Shiro trying to quell the thing is NAI, but i feel like their plea to try to stop Krazy from going Crazy (lol) is like my weakspot and im inclined to townread that.
Not sure how RC feels about it, but I left him a message in case he prefers to switch to Pops again and give Shiro and Nancy more time to do their thing so we can read the hydra better.
-Tana

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Hey Titus, what's your read on pops.
-Tana

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Hey Titus, what's your read on pops.
-Tana

Town based on his posting and him popping up as a counter to my SRs. Open to reevaluating. Not locktown.

What do you think of this?:

also I lowkey think pops is the real scum here who slipped in an unvote so she could vote on the Senshi wagon later in a more natural / less noticeable way

-Tana

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Like, okay this wasn't irt my slot and it wasn't specifically "stop playing the game" but given this game was half a year ago and that's basically the last time I remember you being scum outside of memey minis, that basically sounds like a philosophy of "as scum, be annoying and obnoxious" -- so sorry, but not sorry, I felt like I was just characterizing what you have said about your own scum play. If I was wrong I was wrong but making it seem that I was deliberately trying to attack you--I was just paraphrasing this post while half-remembering it.

Personally being obnoxious and annoying to an extent to one player is not the same as actively being okay with ruining the game for people and my unhappiness with Pintu replacing out and the fact that I offered to replace out in his stead should clearly indicate that this was not my endgame

.

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This attack from LE onto Senshi is making me think LE scum and Senshi town.
It speaks more volumes than anything Senshi's done this game so far, feels opportunistic.
UNVOTE:
Gonna talk with RC and see what he thinks about it.
-Tana

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VOTE: Lady Eventide
-Tana

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The fact that both LLD and Katsuki have expressed intent to lurk is beyond concerning and I don't think either slot should be left alive past even day 1 if they are lurking.

Which head made this post?

RC did
-Tana

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I don't think that "I'm going to lynch you for 0 posting" needs the amount of explanation that several posters in this game have said that it does.

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~Ephraim

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Even without sigging, that was pretty clearly an RC post, i know we havent played in a while, but is it really that hard to tell?
-Tana

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>Asking Katsuki for reads on D1.
-Tana

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was that Nancy or Shiro (or Krazy?)
-Tana

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>Asking Katsuki for reads on D1.
-Tana

I mean I'm not just going to tolerate Katsuki trying to lurk to late game when I know that's exactly what he brags about being his scum strategy.

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I'm about something % sure that Dannflor is deepwolfing here. ~Ephraim

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That's the kind of vote that a deepwolf would be placing around here. ~also Ephraim

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I think Lady Eventide has a fairly high probability of being scum for various reasons but I'm not in a particular rush to lynch them because they kinda seem like weak scum

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@Tana, how do you read Katsuki?

I dont think i'd be able to get a read on Katsuki even if i wanted to, I'll let RC handle him, but Katsuki lurking D1 is NAI, he always does that because apparently he gets better reads D2 and onwards or something, something Nancy should be well aware of since she and me witnessed that 2 games in a row
-Tana

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I think this is going to be a town slaughter ~Ephraim

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If I see it as essentially a given based on empirical evidence about my time alive in mafia games that I'm going to die N1, why should I let you live until after I've gone without you doing anything I can read?

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@Tana, how do you read Katsuki?

I dont think i'd be able to get a read on Katsuki even if i wanted to, I'll let RC handle him, but Katsuki lurking D1 is NAI, he always does that because apparently he gets better reads D2 and onwards or something, something Nancy should be well aware of since she and me witnessed that 2 games in a row
-Tana

Okay, I asked you specifically because you were right on him in Heroes.

Oh ok, I have RC with me this time, so I dont bother with players like Katsuki coz i know i wont be able to tell the difference between their town and scum game any better than RC, and RC probably will be able to so im not gonna bother trying or get in the way of his read there, all I know is that Katsuki lurks D1 and then magically finds all the scum if he's town. In Heroes i tried coz I had no one i could trust to make that read other than another player i cannot read (zmuffinman)
-Tana

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1b. I do however know I've destroyed town you every time I've ever been scum so I do find your stance quite amusing.

Once, and in a game where Fate literally fakeclaimed a guilty on town!me D2 at a point where I scumread you.
I'm not sure why you would cite this as a point in your favor.

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I think this is going to be a town slaughter ~Ephraim

Why?

This doesn't really seem like a question that town asks.

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He’s being completely unreadable so far. I’m glad RC is pushing him to do something. Being unreadable isn’t helpful if you’re town.

Welcome to how i feel everytime i have to read Katsuki
-Tana

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That being said, if RC wants to push Katsuki for lurking im not gonna interfere.
-Tana

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Evenstar's pretty transparently scum.

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Wait my hydra partner already voted Evenstar.

I'm super proud of Tana rn

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Wait my hydra partner already voted Evenstar.

I'm super proud of Tana rn

Haha, thanks!
-Tana

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We're

literally

voting you right now

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My opinion of MU championships is already low enough that you claiming that your scum game made it there doesn't change my opinion of either your scumgame or MU championships

shrugemoticon

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I noticed several tonal tics that I find to be also present here that are present in significantly lower quantities in the town games that I read.
Yes, I said I was in no rush to lynch you. I said that about all of my other scumreads as well because like I have said many times forcing content out of lurkers is a high priority for me.
I did express before that wallpost that I intended to vote you (if we hadn't already been voting you) so claiming that I'm trying to keep you around as a later mislynch is inaccurate at best.

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2: Does it make sense that Tana might think I have a weak scumgame after reading WC1?

I read what?
-Tana

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All of the above is Ephraim posting, the request for your scumgames/towngames was from Ephraim as well. This is from Ephraim!

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I put very little stock in what most people consider alignment indicative content and a lot of stock in stuff that most people wouldn't even think to consider alignment indicative.
How people say and do things is to me far more important than what people actually say and do and your entire list on how to read you is the latter rather than the former.

~Ephraim

Re: the rest of your post: we agree on forcing content from lurkers at least. I still dislike that you hedged in case this went badly for you.

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Also I am required to be as vague as possible on this given that you linked a still-ongoing game.

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I did read other (finished) games of yours and the specific tell that I was referring to earlier in this thread was from -not the MU game that you linked-.
However it is also present in that game so I feel a lot safer simply citing 'reasons' as I have been doing to date.