Magical Girls UPick - Heart of Shadow (Game Over)

[Sailor Senshi]

Hello everyone let's defeat the evil with he power of love~

~Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

yo we're town

role pm kinda implies singleball yeah? don't remember if that was hard confirmed in ad thread

-Sailor Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Still reading but I like that VOTE: Sailor

I'm curious whether you think Nancy posts less as town? Also, do you feel like she has a lot of presence on the site generally at the moment?

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Why?

[Sailor Senshi]

Nosigs is Ephraim right?

[Sailor Senshi]

Here's what I want to know.

Why does GiF host anime themed games but also try to lynch anime avatars as a player?

[Sailor Senshi]

A lot of things are happening in this thread and this:

Here's what I want to know.

Why does GiF host anime themed games but also try to lynch anime avatars as a player?

Is the one thing that bugs your mind?
-Tana

Are you saying you actually think Bitmap vs. Gamma is interesting? Or what are these "things" you claim are happening in this game that are actually AI or significant?

[Sailor Senshi]

A lot of things are happening in this thread

You know what? Lynch all liars

VOTE: Tana

[Sailor Senshi]

Or are you insinuating that nothing in this game is actually AI or significant? (see what i did there)

Yeah you didn't answer the question.

I asked *you* what these things are you claim are significant. I haven't been posting because the thread is dull and nothing of significance is going on. You trying to make an issue of that seems forced and phony.

Now I have a read -- you are scum.

[Sailor Senshi]

Bad vote, Dann.

[Sailor Senshi]

Clearly I think otherwise, and you pushing me for asking your opinion is scummy
-Tana

Okay, if you think otherwise, then just rapid fire bullet points -- what are the significant things happening in the game right now?

[Sailor Senshi]

Yeah pops might be scum but is that actually interesting?

Eventide's push on LLD is zzz "omg you're playing borderlands instead of mafia" give me a break

Gamma spat might make Gamma town and I have no problem with the push on Bitmap

None of these things are actually interesting, they're things that happened in the thread but that doesn't make them actually worth comment unless I feel like Bitmap or pops is actually worth a push.

You trying to make boring things seem more interesting than they really are is scummier than anything pops, Eventide, or Bitmap has said or done.

[Sailor Senshi]

Your push is incredibly forced.

And why does that make me scum?

[Sailor Senshi]

I feel like Senshi is trying to bully Tana into reacting badly or closing up in a way that will make her look bad.

You're the one that just announced you wanted to pick a fight

[Sailor Senshi]

I expect 0 people to agree with 507 even after/if Senshi flips scum but Krayzy feels super aggro and it feels super fake to me and as someone who plays high intensity as scum in certain situations to make town slip up and incriminate themselves, that's what this feels like to me.

~Ephrajm

Why do you think my push is "high intensity"?

[Sailor Senshi]

You came in with an unnecessarily hostile tone and pretending like 20 pages of the game had nothing AI within them.

You're pushing to push and look like you're doing something.

I came in with no scumreads and someone arguing that an almost objectively dull game has a lot of things going on. Misrepresenting the facts -- that the game is boring -- for the sake of pushing an agenda is in fact scummy.

[Sailor Senshi]

You know better than to reaction test either of us doing this

That's fucking rich since you know I've retired. I basically am only here to spec and you decided you wanted to force some realtime interactions. If you don't think YOU should be pushed for content, then why do you feel okay pushing ME for content? Nancy hasn't started reading the thread yet, Shiro is Shiro, and I don't actually enjoy mafia anymore.

[Sailor Senshi]

Dannflor is another person who used similar phrasing hostile so you can't exactly dispute my use of the phrase high intensity unless you're calling us scumbuddies who communicated an attempt to misrep you.

"Hostile" and "high intensity" are not the same content. I didn't really plan to post at all this game, but you said you wanted to lynch our slot if there were no posts. You want forced posts, you'll get forced reads, and since I have no other scumreads, that means I'm just going to default to the slot that is currently being most annoying to me. I'm certainly being "hostile" but that's because your hydra partner tried to scumread me when I was warming up to the thread and shitposting a little. Don't want me to lurk, don't want me to shitpost, don't want to wait for me to process the thread on my own time--okay, congrats, now I'm going to vote you. So don't give me this "waa waaa why are you bullying my hydra partner" bs

[Sailor Senshi]

insinuating that there's nothing "actually AI" in this game indicates that perhaps you're the one misrepresenting facts to pUsH aN aGeNdA

You know you were my only townread and you're really pissing me off right now.

[Sailor Senshi]

I said that if you lurked I'd lynch you.

Okay and why do you think that is a realistic concern with Nancy? This game started yesterday. Did you actually think that was a real concern that you had to make a whiny threat like that? All it accomplished was making me too annoyed to townread you and losing my goodfaith in your slot.

[Sailor Senshi]

your hydra partner tried to scumread me when I was warming up to the thread and shitposting a little

please quote where this happened

A lot of things are happening in this thread and this:

Here's what I want to know.

Why does GiF host anime themed games but also try to lynch anime avatars as a player?

Is the one thing that bugs your mind?
-Tana

[Sailor Senshi]

Look, I just think your push doesn't make sense.

I mean it wouldn't be the first time I pushed someone for being annoying and I doubt it will be the last.

[Sailor Senshi]

Well Sailor might be scum.

VOTE: Sailor

I am away for a single say Titus and this is how u treat me D: Not even a cookie thrown.


It's OK though, I shall not fall to despair and we will once more become bestest friends to find a purify the darkness.

As a side note I am on this page as of right now will have soon caught up.

Sailor Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

Can you please explain how you came to make this error?

Oh hi LLD, nice to see you are in fact playing.

Nice counterattack too.

I think you're getting off a bit too easily here, tbqh. I may just be seeing that your play is super consistent regardless of alignment, but...

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

It's possible I actually didn't understand this post, that's fair.

It's also the case though that

-I'm leaning town on you
-Eventide isn't voting you anymore

And the overall point I was making was that I didn't think the push was very interesting. It's possible that I didn't think it was interesting because I didn't actually understand it, but even knowing that I misunderstood it, it's still not an interesting push

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Hey y’all I was hoping to wait to post but Krazy will probably be mad at me but I’d rather not us get mislynched D1. I also think you’re wrong about Sakura hydra.

I have skimmed the thread. My thoughts were Titus was probably town but I’m not sure yet, if the pushes on her came from town or scum.

I haven’t read what led up to Krazy/Sakura fight yet and I know my opinion on this is worthless but this is 100% town!Krazy here. ISO her in PFUPS if you seriously doubt this.

*ducks from both Krazy and Sakura*.

[Sailor Senshi]

You're being really trashy right now.

Your slot tried to force a scumread on me off an opening joke immediately after saying you want to lynch us two days into a game because 2/3 of the heads hadn't started playing yet. Also, RC makes a ton of whiny posts as scum which means I do in fact usually need to test his level of whininess when he starts making whiny posts, which he did as soon as I pushed you out of annoyance.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

I would sincerely hope that this isn't a line of play by town them.

Douchey

[Sailor Senshi]

Woah woah woah woah woah.

I will pause my past reading for a bit, what the hell is going on today

Sialor Venus.

[Sailor Senshi]

Did you miss this post?

Effectively yeah, I haven't been closely reading the thread since I didn't actually plan to start posting until after Shiro and Nancy had caught up and we'd had time to talk.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

I think it's actually disgusting that Krazy pushed our slot in a scummy fashion citing ridiculously dishonest reasoning and is now trying to play it off as a "we asked for it by discouraging lurking and Tana getting salty that he wasn't content posting." I would sincerely hope that this isn't a line of play by town them. I think this situation makes a ton of sense coming from scum them.

We are 100% town here and I will prove it. I was hoping to be able to sleep first but whatever.

I bet money this is probably 1v1. Sakura was probably my first tl when I was skimming.

[Sailor Senshi]

Christ I have DID and this fucking split personality shit on the Sailor slot is making MY head hurt.

Yikes.

Poor Venus just came here cluelessly reading page 10 how naive I was.

[Sailor Senshi]

This is Nancy btw aka Sailor Mars.

[Sailor Senshi]

Also calling my posts whiny is a deliberate move to provoke an angry reaction from me.

Yes, but whiny-RC also tends to be scum-RC and after Red Flag, I discovered you're extremely sensitive to sarcasm so now I just go with the direct approach -- when you're being whiny, you're probably scum. As it is Shiro thinks your slot is town, and I'm well aware I'm probably more annoyed at your slot than anything else right now, but acting as though your play toward me hasn't been gross and designed to *piss me off* is itself a misrep. You yourself just said you tend to try to goad people into things when you're scum, and that's exactly what you seem to have been doing

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

If they were town someone would have shut Krazy the fuck up.

He's still posting because it's all posturing.

Yeah, except you have also played with scum me a bunch of times and I pretty much always slide past you because I know how to manipulate you emotionally.

I also know that pissing you off is likely to make you tunnel me because at some point you'll just stop caring about alignment and exclusively play to defend your ego.

So if you stopped to think about it you'd know that I only provoke you when I am town to get a sense of how you're approaching the game.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

SS is scum we should lynch them posthaste

Nope, you’re dead wrong. Is there some reason you’re ignoring my posts? Have you ISO’d Avengers in PFUPs?

Krazy was obvscum in that and it was his last game, I think? before this right?

[Sailor Senshi]

ND would never let someone post any of these recent posts from a Hydra that she was part of and the fact that Shiro and ND immediately show up in thread after being absent for several days phases when their slot comes under fire is not a coincidence.

Yeah this is complete bullshit, this is the first time Nancy has even been online since the game started and the game has only been going two days. Why are you acting like there was some big lull or something. Stop throwing your little tantrum RC, it's not making it any easier to reconsider you.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Also calling my posts whiny is a deliberate move to provoke an angry reaction from me.

Yes, but whiny-RC also tends to be scum-RC and after Red Flag, I discovered you're extremely sensitive to sarcasm so now I just go with the direct approach -- when you're being whiny, you're probably scum. As it is Shiro thinks your slot is town, and I'm well aware I'm probably more annoyed at your slot than anything else right now, but acting as though your play toward me hasn't been gross and designed to *piss me off* is itself a misrep. You yourself just said you tend to try to goad people into things when you're scum, and that's exactly what you seem to have been doing

-Mercury

Krazy, this anger is town indicative for Sakura.

[Sailor Senshi]

I would like to think town!Krazy takes my out

Where you're wrong Dann, is that when RC is scum he is grossly emotionally manipulative and I have sworn to never give into his dogshit scum play again. I don't actually know if he's scum here but if he's going to throw a tantrum because I pushed his hydra partner then I am not going to back down unless I am confident in his alignment not being scum. His entire philosophy of scum play is to make people stop wanting to play the game, which is why he's fucking annoying to play against when you are town and he's scum. I don't give a fuck about outs, if RC is going to play to his douchey scum meta then he can go.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Krazy, this anger is town indicative for Sakura.

I thought nosigs was RC though?

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

ND would never let someone post any of these recent posts from a Hydra that she was part of and the fact that Shiro and ND immediately show up in thread after being absent for several days phases when their slot comes under fire is not a coincidence.

Yeah this is complete bullshit, this is the first time Nancy has even been online since the game started and the game has only been going two days. Why are you acting like there was some big lull or something. Stop throwing your little tantrum RC, it's not making it any easier to reconsider you.

-Mercury

I ego posted and skimmed before whatever this fresh hell froze over. Is this RC? He promised he wouldn’t mislynch me after TS but he might not care about that if you keep pushing him. @RC, scum!Krazy never acts like this. Can both of you please calm the fuck down?

[Sailor Senshi]

Everything in this post is untrue without exception.

lol

Doesn't matter whether you agree with my assessment, the question is whether I think it's true. And the fact of the matter is I don't care about you when I'm scum, but I find you incredibly grating when you are scum and I am town. That being said you can also be really manipulative as town so this isn't totally outside your town range.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Krazy you're scum in the game but you're also scum in real life.

I claim a guilty on Sailor Senshi.

Lynch them today, if they're town, lynch us tomorrow.

We’re not scum and I don’t think you are either. I’d rather not hand the game to scum with 2 mislynches back to back. We will 100% flip town here. And I think you probably will too, so why do you want to help scum?

[Sailor Senshi]

Man, I think you're dead wrong on several counts and making a mistake

I don't know if you're actually scum

You keep saying this to me but I'm just responding to bullshit RC is saying.

He stops doing douchey posturing, and I'll let Nancy and Shiro take over.

Start acting like you're going to follow RC around and I'll just write this game off as an inevitable loss and abandon the hydra. It's not okay for him to act like a martyr because I was pushing Sakura, and his hyperbolic fake guilties and other nonsense do not make me interested in believing he's approaching the game in good faith.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

I mean 8 haven't reached that point yet bear with me so 8 see what this is all about first hand when 8 reach it <3

Trust in Shiro for Shiro shall bring forth the light.

P. Edit

Krazy this whole affair so far seems like town him, early Sakura was townie as well. I don't get you?

P. Edit 2

RC can u give me some time to show you different? We are town and you are town. Let's not hand the darkness easy lynches.

P. Edit 3

Krazy drop it, being manipulative is part of the game, its natural for someone to be manipulative and deceitful in mafia. RC can be abrasive but you are overreacting.

P. Edit 4

Nancy ninja

Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

@Dann, do I sound anything like I did in Undertale here?

Can we talk about something else before I beat my head in with a crowbar like why is Titus being ganged up on? Thanks.

[Sailor Senshi]

Krazy you're scum in the game but you're also scum in real life.

And people are qqing at me here

Like seriously RC, that's not an OK post to make.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

I mean 8 haven't reached that point yet bear with me so 8 see what this is all about first hand when 8 reach it <3

Trust in Shiro for Shiro shall bring forth the light.

P. Edit

Krazy this whole affair so far seems like town him, early Sakura was townie as well. I don't get you?

P. Edit 2

RC can u give me some time to show you different? We are town and you are town. Let's not hand the darkness easy lynches.

P. Edit 3

Krazy drop it, being manipulative is part of the game, its natural for someone to be manipulative and deceitful in mafia. RC can be abrasive but you are overreacting.

P. Edit 4

Nancy ninja

Venus

Thank you Shiro.

Krazy and RC don’t get along which majorly sucks for us. :/

[Sailor Senshi]

Krazy

there's no way in hell this is helping you read RC

this is not productive

Okay and which of RC's posts have helped him read me?

Why are you still directing this at me, Dann? I didn't even plan to post tonight, people started whining about my slot, I made a joke and his hydra partner tried to scumread me for it. I even explained that I wasn't really particularly into the game and he continued to escalate the confrontation. Now he's started making incredibly aggressive posts.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Can we talk about something else before I beat my head in with a crowbar like why is Titus being ganged up on? Thanks.

[Sailor Senshi]

Krazy you're scum in the game but you're also scum in real life.

And people are qqing at me here

Like seriously RC, that's not an OK post to make.

-Mercury

I stand by it in reaction to what you've been saying.

OK.

You should be temp banned for that though because it's totally uncalled for. Everything I said was about how you play as the scum alignment vs. how you play as the town alignment. I have not attacked your person directly at all and this is totally unnecessary.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

OK I am off to see when this all started. And reach this point naturally.

Venus.

[Sailor Senshi]

You are clearly objectively trying to piss me off and upset me.
I don't like that. I don't care what your alignment is if this is how you're going to behave

You just insulted me. I have not insulted you here at all. I've been aggressive but I haven't insulted you. You are escalating this and making it an interpersonal conflict.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Krazy

there's no way in hell this is helping you read RC

this is not productive

Okay and which of RC's posts have helped him read me?

Why are you still directing this at me, Dann? I didn't even plan to post tonight, people started whining about my slot, I made a joke and his hydra partner tried to scumread me for it. I even explained that I wasn't really particularly into the game and he continued to escalate the confrontation. Now he's started making incredibly aggressive posts.

-Mercury

Krazy, please stop, I <3 you but this isn’t fair to me or Shiro. Can you maybe sleep on it for awhile and chill? Please.

[Sailor Senshi]

I think I may cry soon.

[Sailor Senshi]

RC, you should probably stop letting Krazy provoke you.
-Tana

<3 Wise post and same, to Krazy. You guys don’t get along. Can you just accept that and move on?

[Sailor Senshi]

574 says that *as scum* you are very emotionally manipulative and that *as a consequence* I refuse to let you emotionally manipulate me in this game.

You also can't fucking refute this because *you yourself* said that's how you were playing Red Flag. *You yourself* say that your scum philosophy is to demoralize people out of playing the game. *That is how you yourself describe your play* and I think that *you playing like that* is GROSS. So no, I do not allow you to be emotionally manipulative in games and if you want more leeway on this issue you can stop playing douchey when you are scum. But 574 was *not* a personal attack, it was a description of how I treat your slot based on *your explicit philosophy of scum play* that you stated in the aftermath of Red Flag.

577 thus was an unprovoked personal attack that had nothing to do with this game.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

RC, you should probably stop letting Krazy provoke you.
-Tana

<3 Wise post and same, to Krazy. You guys don’t get along. Can you just accept that and move on?

I resolve Krazy and RC not speak to each other directly. Who’s with me?

[Sailor Senshi]

Why are you still directing this at me, Dann? I didn't even plan to post tonight, people started whining about my slot, I made a joke and his hydra partner tried to scumread me for it. I even explained that I wasn't really particularly into the game and he continued to escalate the confrontation. Now he's started making incredibly aggressive posts.

Because you started it!

His hydra partner did not try to scum read you for it! His hydra partner tried to play the game!

I feel like you have been blowing things out of proportion from the start and I would like to sort you as either frustrated town or scum purposefully doing this. If you're the former, I think you need to leave the thread for a while.

#577 is out of line, yes. I'd like to leave the personal stuff behind and focus on the game.

But I'm addressing your play here, which is to repeatedly make assertions about this game and what has happened/is happening that I just don't think are true at all?

idk

I already town read Tana's slot, I need to sort you, and whatever you're doing right now is not good. And it sucks because I don't know if this is fucked up town!Krazy who has a grudge that's making him play weird or scum!Krazy.

RC is gonna say it doesn't matter but I'd still like to figure it out.

Scum!Krazy doesn’t do this. Anyone ISO Avengers in PFUPS yet? I guess I’m the one who will have to post that link. We were scum in that.

[Sailor Senshi]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... B%5D=33064

[Sailor Senshi]

I resolve Krazy and RC not speak to each other directly. Who’s with me?

If you're town, read the start of the engagement and take a stance on who actually created this conflict.

I will. I haven’t slept yet but based on Dann’s post, I’m guessing Krazy?

[Sailor Senshi]

But I'm addressing your play here, which is to repeatedly make assertions about this game and what has happened/is happening that I just don't think are true at all?

idk

I already town read Tana's slot, I need to sort you, and whatever you're doing right now is not good. And it sucks because I don't know if this is fucked up town!Krazy who has a grudge that's making him play weird or scum!Krazy.

I had like one town read and maybe two town leans and no scum reads and make the assertion that the game just wasn't very interesting. That's a totally subjective interpretation of game events -- even though, yes, I did joke about it being 'objectively boring' -- but I was pushing Sakura because she argued the game was interesting when I disagreed. In doing so I got her to summarize *what she sees* as the major events of the game.

Here's the thing -- it's easy to get a summary of a game you basically haven't read if you say something wrong about the game and then tell people to prove you wrong. It's a lot more interesting to read the game when you see how other people are interpreting the events of the game.

Normally I wouldn't provoke someone into summarizing the game for me, but since Sakura literally argued there was so much going on, I had no reason not to poke her a little bit.

Then RC just turns around and escalates every single fucking thing without letting me just talk to Sakura a little bit and get a feel for the game.

I don't know if this is his scum play but it sure as fuck is annoying, and I know that I tend to find him very annoying when he is scum. That's a description, by the way, of my subjective reaction to him playing a certain alignment--it is not an insult of him personally, even though he seems to have decided to interpret it as such.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

also I lowkey think pops is the real scum here who slipped in an unvote so she could vote on the Senshi wagon later in a more natural / less noticeable way

Maybe, I definitely wasn’t tr his slot. He was obvtown in NDP and he seemed like he was kind of tryharding here. Do you sr the Titus pushes? It seemed that several players arbitrarily jumped on her?

[Sailor Senshi]

The problem is you called it "disgustingly" emotionally manipulative which is a qualitative statement that something is grosser about RC playing mafia than anyone else playing mafia.

Literally everyone uses a nonzero amount of AtE at L-1 when they roll scum so you're putting him below others somehow in some way independent of just using emotional manipulation to win as scum, which as others have pointed out tends to be part of the game.

Yes, but RC uses a lot of AtE as scum, which means I am less tolerant of him using AtE in general. I don't think that me saying "I don't like the way RC plays scum" is a personal insult, and certainly not in the same ballpark as "you're scum irl"

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Then why are you doing a both sides thing instead of addressing the problem?

RC, you’re being really unfair to me. I haven’t read that part yet and none of it is my doing. :/

[Sailor Senshi]

That's how I viewed it personally.

I would like this conflict to come to an end as I don't believe it's producing AI content for anyone and it's very unpleasant to read.

come back to the thread later if that's not possible

+1

[Sailor Senshi]

Ok now that you 2 are here and posting, can we get some actual content from your hydra.
That was the whole reason this started to begin with.
-Tana

Ask me stuff \o/

At the top of my head 8 disliked the post that excused gameplay by saying that he was newish playstyle kinda thing. I don't remember who made it after I forcused on today however. Soooo oops.

I town read Titus and you, I am being told Dan is town in our hydra discord.

Everyone else is null for me.

[Sailor Senshi]

Are you unable to keep facts straight or are you wilfully lying to make me look bad?

Why do you want to keep this going?

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

I think the Titus pushes came from "picking a side" between Titus and gameplay. idk I didn't think too much of them because most of the votes seemed to be in the interest of building a wagon

I’m trying to determine if it was a 1v1 but I should probably ISO Pops.

[Sailor Senshi]

Are you unable to keep facts straight or are you wilfully lying to make me look bad?

Why do you want to keep this going?

-Mercury

Both of you, to your separate corners, now!

Please. Don’t hurt me.

[Sailor Senshi]

I want a long term resolution to this situation.

Well if your long term resolution is getting me to stop playing this particular game you're shit out of luck. Keep insulting me and you can get force replaced. Anyone else say what you just said in this thread and they would be temp banned.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Dannflor's vote hop was resonant in the sense I somehow also wanted to vote hop even if I don't know why

Maybe because it is part of being a Hearto of Lighto

In addition to 5 different votes in record time, this post, reeks lamisty.

[Sailor Senshi]

RC and Krazy

Allow me to become your meditator.

To my understanding what happened is a case of misunderstanding. Krazy your post could easily be taken as a person attack and someone like rc who is no stranger to people personally attacking him has more of a chance to take it that way as well.

Now people in general whe they feel attacked tend to retaliate is teb what approach? No but its natural. It's the kind of things in hindsight you never actually mean because at the end of the day rc knows that he doesn't actually know you in rl and how you actually act. Same goes vice versa.

You both need to realise right now. Mafia is a game, a game that by its very nature pushes people to be mean and deceitful and that part of what makes it what it is. Krazy yiu said u don't like mafia may more and that might be part of the reason. You need to do what fa. Managed to do, disassociate the game while. It's running with the actual people thoughts. The game will. Always get heated and things will get personal but it never really is truly personal, it at the end of the day in game personal.

It's. Like role-playing except you are playing yourself in a scenario of mafia.

[Sailor Senshi]

Ok now that you 2 are here and posting, can we get some actual content from your hydra.
That was the whole reason this started to begin with.
-Tana

Ask me stuff \o/

At the top of my head 8 disliked the post that excused gameplay by saying that he was newish playstyle kinda thing. I don't remember who made it after I forcused on today however. Soooo oops.

I town read Titus and you, I am being told Dan is town in our hydra discord.

Everyone else is null for me.

Are you caught up? that looks kinda weak if you are. Otherwise i rather you finish catching up
-Tana

I mean my caught ups where never strong ti begin with. Nothing really gripped me. To tunnel it to death ;p

[Sailor Senshi]

Both venus obviously.

[Sailor Senshi]

@Krazy, @RC, can you two please knock it the fuck off already? This isn’t fair to the rest of us. Take it to pm or something?

[Sailor Senshi]

I mean i will. Say I am fairly certain there is scum voting us right now, taking advantage of the situation to do so.

[Sailor Senshi]

Idk, what's worse, the fact that they keep complaining about the personal insults, or the fact that i just came out from a game full of way worse and no one complained.
-Tana

Exactly they have this problem of not disassociation game world from.life, that why I have to this day never been offended in game from anything ever.

[Sailor Senshi]

Sigh

-Tana

+1

This is especially unfair to Sakura, me and Shiro. We don’t deserve to be put in the middle of this. :/

[Sailor Senshi]

Krazy your post could easily be taken as a person attack and someone like rc who is no stranger to people personally attacking him has more of a chance to take it that way as well.

Yes, but literally every time I play with RC he *makes* everything a personal attack, and now he *used that perceived slight* to rationalize and justify *a direct insult to me*.

That's not okay, and given he has demoralized me out of games before, I'm not going to let him do it. While I was being aggressive, there was no need for him to escalate in the way that he did.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

I mean i will. Say I am fairly certain there is scum voting us right now, taking advantage of the situation to do so.

Well so far, I’m kind of mindmelding with Dann on Pops. Is he voting us?

[Sailor Senshi]

That's not the case at all? He said temp ban not modkill

Strictly speaking I said neither until he said modkill -- but I'm the one who was overreacting, apparently

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Sigh

-Tana

+1

This is especially unfair to Sakura, me and Shiro. We don’t deserve to be put in the middle of this. :/

I dunno 8 feel it's worth it 9f we help the situation get resolved with a happy ending.

Krazy your post could easily be taken as a person attack and someone like rc who is no stranger to people personally attacking him has more of a chance to take it that way as well.

Yes, but literally every time I play with RC he *makes* everything a personal attack, and now he *used that perceived slight* to rationalize and justify *a direct insult to me*.

That's not okay, and given he has demoralized me out of games before, I'm not going to let him do it. While I was being aggressive, there was no need for him to escalate in the way that he did.

-Mercury

See that's the thing though, you are also perceiving it as him. Trying to drive you out of the game, this isn't the case though. This is his way of playing and solving as retaliation to how he perceives treatment.

[Sailor Senshi]

Like Krazy keeps having goes at me
And you guys aren't doing anything about it
And then bemoaning the fact that this is still going on

I very much am doing stuff rc :/

[Sailor Senshi]

I had no idea Krazy hated me until this game.

I never said I hated you and I in fact do not. I respect your understanding of theory, design, and balance quite a bit. I think your scumplay is annoying but you don't actually roll scum all that often with me. I do think you continuing to make it seem like I have some big thing for you is not helping. While my post about your scum play wasn't really constructive, it also wasn't a personal attack, it was just an explanation of why I have little patience with your AtE when I don't know your alignment.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Nancy, if you're town, can you please tell Krazy to stop provoking RC.
RC, can you please stop replying to Krazy's provocations.
-Tana

I am town not God. I’ve made it very clear, I don’t think they should talk to each other rn. I will ask him to stop.

@Krazy, please stop egging on RC.

Me and Shiro are part of this hydra too, you need to think about our feelings here. Like I said, Sakura, me and Shiro didn’t ask for any of this and we it’s really unfair to be dragged into the middle of this fight.

[Sailor Senshi]

Krazy is actively seeking to hurt and upset me with his posting

This is false. As this whole thing comes down to, I find it very frustrating how quickly you *go here*

You accused me of bullying your hydra partner when I provoked them into summarizing the game

You accused me of directly attacking you when I simply observed the true fact that I have found your scum play frustrating in the past

It's not okay for you to insult me to my face and then say that I'm the one being mean

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

also I lowkey think pops is the real scum here who slipped in an unvote so she could vote on the Senshi wagon later in a more natural / less noticeable way

Definitely agree that both Senshi and T&E both seem like town at this point
They seem to be caught up in hurt feelings which is hurting their ability to sort
RC you know getting upset messes up your game so please try to cool of or smth

Gamma’s probably town. So, Titus, Dann, RC/Sakura and Gamma are my current tls.

[Sailor Senshi]

Can you just fkin stop?

Do you think the mod would lock this thread if they don’t?

Can you both at least sleep on it and calm down? Jesus!

[Sailor Senshi]

@RC

Let's talk a bit, do you legit think we are scum? If so give me the reasons.

Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

Eh question goes to you too Sakura and btw nothing was to the point that needs mid intervention, gif is cool he won't do anything, worse things have happened.

[Sailor Senshi]

Because 8 feel it's best if this is engaged anew. Krazy vote was bad but at the end of the day from scum pov it served no purpuse. Do u find Krazy reasoning about it wrong and if so, why? With me and Nancy we were the most unlikely to stay lurking and I will tell you, when I was caught up I woukd have gone after katsuki because I wouldn't want to repeat heroes wanted. Why scum provoke so much attention instead of waiting. Its not like you were scumread by anyone an dkrazy knew me and Nancy townread you.

[Sailor Senshi]

What do you guys think about Pops? I think Dann may be right. His posts seem really fake, forced and tryharding.

I will reread the thread tomorrow but rn, I think that’s where my vote will go.

[Sailor Senshi]

I will just say it here because it’s the only place I’m allowed. I’m really sorry you’re hurting RC.

**HUGS**

[Sailor Senshi]

I have never ever ever played a strategy revolving around making people not enjoy the game. I have expressly disavowed others for doing so. Even a lot of my scum victories were marked by the townies as their favorite games. It's actually extremely hard work to NOT make the game unpleasant as scum who wins nearly all of the time but I still put in that effort. I don't deserve this.

Like, it's possible I was wrong. That's definitely how I felt after Red Flag and I felt like you said things in the post to Red Flag that made it seem like that was more or less how you were playing the game.

For what it's worth pinturichio I interacted with you the way I did D1 because I wanted to be annoying and obnoxious to dissuade people from actually listening to me because I didn't want to lunch blackjack

Sorry that I ruined your game.

Like, okay this wasn't irt my slot and it wasn't specifically "stop playing the game" but given this game was half a year ago and that's basically the last time I remember you being scum outside of memey minis, that basically sounds like a philosophy of "as scum, be annoying and obnoxious" -- so sorry, but not sorry, I felt like I was just characterizing what you have said about your own scum play. If I was wrong I was wrong but making it seem that I was deliberately trying to attack you--I was just paraphrasing this post while half-remembering it.

Like, sure, maybe more recently you have played in a manner where you are less inclined to use AtE in a manner that results in demoralizing people, but the fact is that I can personally find your play as scum demoralizing, and it seemed like in that post you were saying that you play to demoralize intentionally even if that's not what you said verbatim. It's possible I was misinterpreting or over-reading what you were saying in this post, but that's what I thought you were implying in that post. In reality, I was half-remembering a post from like 9 months ago since that was basically the last time I saw your scumplay or had a feeling in response to your scumplay. In any case, I wasn't trying to personally attack you because I thought I was just paraphrasing what you had said about your own play.

Anyway I don't know if this will clarify where I was coming from, I still think going to "you're scum irl" was really unfair and I think it's very frustrating that people are saying "stop provoking him" when I'm just trying to understand why he exploded at me.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Okay, understandable, but his approach was to post those things. Krazy basically used Cunningham's Law. So I think what happened is he saw your questioning as pushing it.

What is Cunningham’s Law?

[Sailor Senshi]

Okay, understandable, but his approach was to post those things. Krazy basically used Cunningham's Law. So I think what happened is he saw your questioning as pushing it.

What is Cunningham’s Law?

Cunningham's Law states "the best way to get the right answer on the internet is not to ask a question; it's to post the wrong answer."

Quick Google search.

[Sailor Senshi]

Croag, do you feel like you got any good reactions from starting the game with a self-vote? If not, why did you begin the game in that manner?

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Sailor hasn't responded and seems inactive.

Excuse me.....what? We went from 2 posts to 2nd top poster what part of that is.....inactive. We litteraly didnt post for 1 day and we got called a lurker. 1 day. You vote was the worse thing ever and chaning vote now wont salvage that. Not only had you read you would have known what exactly went on and why was anythng taking as a personal attack. How me,nancy and sakrua were trying to calm things down because it wasnt lol herp derp I am scum let me personal attack people. You read nothing saw tractiong and voted there based on general knowledge of what happened.

Vote: Lady Eventide

@Titus
D: cookies I was out a party alright, I that why my first day was doing nothing. Also let's be honest since when were my caughts up informative or anything other than most of the time a gif and a I caught up.

Sailor Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

hmm

Eventide's vote on SS is pretty shoddy. being pressured leading to spat is a terribly weak reason to scum read people... what do you want, that after being pressured you just lay down and die?

I don't think gameplay is scum, but please don't use personal RL stuff as a point of attack.

If Eventide would flip scum, Titus's (hello titus!) attack on gameplay is very much chainsaw.

Pressure leading to

personal attacks and threats of reporting

is very much a scumtell. Pressure leading to

debate and defense

is

not;

it's the fact that it got personal very quickly that's pinging me. Personal arguments don't say shit about the gamestate, and therefore mafia want to cast any disagreement with them as a personal issue, not a legitimate argument based on real evidence. I've straight up called a townie a bitch and an asshole to cover for a scumslip I made. I'm not

proud

of that, but it's a thing that I did.

-Evenstar

Like come on, did you even read what happened.

[Sailor Senshi]

@Shiro

Titus I am town this game join me on Lady Event, I am certain I got scum that wanted an easy place to park a vote got called out, gave atrocious reasoning, tried to bail and now forced to commit.

[Sailor Senshi]

Cool.

VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta

I'm noticing that despite acknowledging my arguments, you haven't actually done anything about them.

-E

Why LLD over Sailor?

Sailor hasn't responded and seems inactive

. LLD did in fact respond to my earlier post. -E

I don’t know if you’re really bad town here or scum.

[Sailor Senshi]

I think Bitmap and gameplay may also be town. RCE may also be but less sure but sounds like town!him so far. I might be a little suspicious of Titus except she also couldn’t read me in early GS and her read progression on me seems similar to that, so I figure she’ll eventually realize we’re town here, similar to that game.

[Sailor Senshi]

Titus proxy

Vote: Sailor

What? And we’re town here. Do you even have a reason for voting us?

[Sailor Senshi]

Is it too soon to say, that I think at least one scum may be on us? It’s rapid fire with no real reasoning.

[Sailor Senshi]

I might have been wrong on Pops yesterday.

[Sailor Senshi]

The vote piling there when the argument began did seem like people going for the low-hanging fruit and I was very eh on that
I'm very eh on people still voting/atacking you for that argument

LE and Katsuki are pinging me the most rn but I’ll stick with Shiro’s LE vote. She keeps rapid fire voting slots all over the place with the silliest reasoning. I remember not liking her early posting. Katsuki’s vote just seemed opportunistic.

[Sailor Senshi]

I might have been wrong on Pops yesterday.

Without going all the way back to figure out what the original read was, where do you stand on her now?

Nulltown I guess. It’s possible I was sr her playstyle. I don’t think she’s done anything actually scummy. I’m glad I didn’t vote her now. I like our current vote on LE.

What is your read on LE, Katsuki?

[Sailor Senshi]

Idk most players have been joking but Titus is the only one who left an odd feeling in me
Same with bitmap but replace odd with good

Oof sorry if I'm being too serious and ruining the fun, I will go back to my rl now

Ok 5 bucks based on everything that's happened gameplay is seriously scum here. Bitmap's likely scum or useful to them.

VOTE: Gameplay

RC's voting based on vendetta.
Pops is voting to get a reaction.
Cafe getting a counter wagon going in RVS isn't an issue at all. I might have done the same.

Gameplay's posting however is over justified. Titus has an "odd" feeling. Bitmap has a "good" feeling. Yet he breaks the posting up into several posts and is real defensive about it.

Pops, real life does suck. I'd rather not think about it. I put it elsewhere but there's real high odds I'm getting a divorce.

Hm idk RCE I don't see Titus trying to solve me here, I see Titus banging her fist on the table, going GP is scum, while providing some pretty made-up reasoning for it.

And the fact that she just continues to read me in the same way 15 pages later with still minimal effort to solve me out makes me think she is just comfortable keeping that read and not comfortable backing out of it.

Do me a favour. ISO her in Gameshow and tell me if that changes your read on her.

[Sailor Senshi]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=400

[Sailor Senshi]

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=400

Link to Titus ISO in GS

[Sailor Senshi]

Is it too soon to say, that I think at least one scum may be on us? It’s rapid fire with no real reasoning.

I do think the amount of people who piled on to you in a very short amount of time is worrying.

Of those, who is worrying you the most?

On MU, this poster named YOLOSWAG gave me the nickname “wolf magnet”. He would say to me, we’ve got to keep rolling town together because all the scum tend to jump on you.

[Sailor Senshi]

You were one of them?

That was different. T & E and Dann had actual reasons. Some of the recent votes on us otoh, read straight up opportunistic.

[Sailor Senshi]

@Tana, how do you read Katsuki?

[Sailor Senshi]

Titus proxy

Vote: Sailor

What? And we’re town here. Do you even have a reason for voting us?

Nope.

Then why are you? If you have no reason, you should unvote.

[Sailor Senshi]

@Tana, how do you read Katsuki?

I dont think i'd be able to get a read on Katsuki even if i wanted to, I'll let RC handle him, but Katsuki lurking D1 is NAI, he always does that because apparently he gets better reads D2 and onwards or something, something Nancy should be well aware of since she and me witnessed that 2 games in a row
-Tana

Okay, I asked you specifically because you were right on him in Heroes.

[Sailor Senshi]

I think this is going to be a town slaughter ~Ephraim

Hopefully not a Timeshift redux.

[Sailor Senshi]

@Tana, how do you read Katsuki?

I dont think i'd be able to get a read on Katsuki even if i wanted to, I'll let RC handle him, but Katsuki lurking D1 is NAI, he always does that because apparently he gets better reads D2 and onwards or something, something Nancy should be well aware of since she and me witnessed that 2 games in a row
-Tana

Okay, I asked you specifically because you were right on him in Heroes.

Oh ok, I have RC with me this time, so I dont bother with players like Katsuki coz i know i wont be able to tell the difference between their town and scum game any better than RC, and RC probably will be able to so im not gonna bother trying or get in the way of his read there, all I know is that Katsuki lurks D1 and then magically finds all the scum if he's town. In Heroes i tried coz I had no one i could trust to make that read other than another player i cannot read (zmuffinman)
-Tana

He’s being completely unreadable so far. I’m glad RC is pushing him to do something. Being unreadable isn’t helpful if you’re town.

[Sailor Senshi]

What's the deal with timeshift

It was a scum stomp. Not even one scum lynch. Town blindly cannibalized itself.

[Sailor Senshi]

He’s being completely unreadable so far. I’m glad RC is pushing him to do something. Being unreadable isn’t helpful if you’re town.

Welcome to how i feel everytime i have to read Katsuki
-Tana

[Sailor Senshi]

I think a partner, or sailor, intentionally used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

You think Sailor is Bitmap's partner?

I'm not really sure how this theory makes sense honestly

I honestly don’t know how RCE even comes up with this, or particularly

anyone

who played in PFUPs. @RCE, in what world, do you ever think this is scum!Krazy here, after that game?

[Sailor Senshi]

RCE kinda feels like he's back seating the issue a little ngl

He either has amnesia or my read on him was wrong.

[Sailor Senshi]

I think a partner, or sailor, intentionally used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

You think Sailor is Bitmap's partner?

I'm not really sure how this theory makes sense honestly

The emotional manipulation line is just the kind of in your face scum brag I could see coming from Krazy. So Krazy knows the kind of player RC is and how confrontation with him gets blown out of proportion regardless of how small the original issue is. So why engage in it?

In future games, I will be ignoring your Krazy reads and FL’s obviously.

[Sailor Senshi]

RCE kinda feels like he's back seating the issue a little ngl

He either has amnesia or my read on him was wrong.

Leaning amnesia based on LNT, where I posted a role pm from an old MU game and he sr me for it.

[Sailor Senshi]

Nancy, not everyone holds meta to the same regard

Except it's a meta-based argument in the first place.

RCE is arguing:
a) that my argument with RC was faked (0.o)
b) for the sake of saving Bitmap (was the wagon on Bitmap growing at that point?)
c) based on his sense that I am like to "scum brag" as scum (???)

C is an explicitly a meta-based argument which raises the question of what games he imagines I "scum bragged" in. He's played with me twice as scum iirc and imo neither of those games included me "scum bragging" -- although all three individual components of his argument seem sketch.

Also.

Gamma spat might make Gamma town and I have no problem with the push on Bitmap

None of these things are actually interesting, they're things that happened in the thread but that doesn't make them actually worth comment unless I feel like Bitmap or pops is actually worth a push.

I actually specifically said that one of the reason I wasn't engaging more in the thread was because I basically had no problem with the Bitmap wagon which is why I was skeptical of the need to push our slot for content in the first place. If the game was already advancing on a good wagon, why is it *my slot* that produced an argument to 'save' Bitmap?

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Sailor, your thoughts on recent events?

Can Shiro bake a cookie?

How does this whole proxy thing work? Why are you telling Katsuki to vote on a different wagon than you are?

Can you explain your Bitmap read? I initially tl him but on reread, it’s more of a null.

I asked Shiro. Any preferences if the answer is yes?

[Sailor Senshi]

Nancy, not everyone holds meta to the same regard

Except it's a meta-based argument in the first place.

RCE is arguing:
a) that my argument with RC was faked (0.o)
b) for the sake of saving Bitmap (was the wagon on Bitmap growing at that point?)
c) based on his sense that I am like to "scum brag" as scum (???)

C is an explicitly a meta-based argument which raises the question of what games he imagines I "scum bragged" in. He's played with me twice as scum iirc and imo neither of those games included me "scum bragging" -- although all three individual components of his argument seem sketch.

Also.

Gamma spat might make Gamma town and I have no problem with the push on Bitmap

None of these things are actually interesting, they're things that happened in the thread but that doesn't make them actually worth comment unless I feel like Bitmap or pops is actually worth a push.

I actually specifically said that one of the reason I wasn't engaging more in the thread was because I basically had no problem with the Bitmap wagon which is why I was skeptical of the need to push our slot for content in the first place. If the game was already advancing on a good wagon, why is it *my slot* that produced an argument to 'save' Bitmap?

-Mercury

You may be right. RCE’s shade on you wrt Bitmap is super sus, because it has zilch to do with either you or RC. Where is he getting Bitmap from any of that?

[Sailor Senshi]

Mech announcement. -- We were targeted by a day ability

(a day roleblock as far as I can tell).

The flavor basically read: Our day abilities were sealed.

To be clear, we were informed that our abilities were sealed, this does not mean that we have a day ability or that we tried to use one necessarily. It seemed like we would be informed of the day roleblock regardless of whether we had a day ability or not. We were not informed of which player targeted us.

I kinda don't know why we were informed that our abilities were sealed, trying to remember the word for where you know you're targeted by the ability but not who targeted you. Or is that just a variation of loud? Or is this a common ruling from GiF that people are informed when they're targeted by a roleblock?

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Hmph...

The proxy thing works by Katsuki voting who I say. I already answered why the different wagon...VCA.

Shiro should bake a cookie matching your hydra's mood.

I will have to reread that. Did you explain in that post, why Katsuki?

I was expecting you to answer something like chocolate chip but okay.

[Sailor Senshi]

B.) Pfup was a meta outlier for all of your scum games. I think a lot higher of your scum potential than was shown there.

Why? Did you think I did well in Jazz or what games are you thinking of here? I mean I remember you feeling like I fooled you but I was also being destroyed by Skitter at the time so I don't feel like that was a particularly good game for me.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

B.) Pfup was a meta outlier for all of your scum games. I think a lot higher of your scum potential than was shown there.

oh wait or were you talking about Nancy here?

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Mech announcement. -- We were targeted by a day ability

(a day roleblock as far as I can tell).

The flavor basically read: Our day abilities were sealed.

To be clear, we were informed that our abilities were sealed, this does not mean that we have a day ability or that we tried to use one necessarily. It seemed like we would be informed of the day roleblock regardless of whether we had a day ability or not. We were not informed of which player targeted us.

I kinda don't know why we were informed that our abilities were sealed, trying to remember the word for where you know you're targeted by the ability but not who targeted you. Or is that just a variation of loud? Or is this a common ruling from GiF that people are informed when they're targeted by a roleblock?

-Mercury

Follower, I think. It tells you what action was performed on you but not who performed it. Loud roleblocker?

[Sailor Senshi]

B.) Pfup was a meta outlier for all of your scum games. I think a lot higher of your scum potential than was shown there.

oh wait or were you talking about Nancy here?

-Mercury

Why would he be talking about me, I wasn’t the one arguing with RC?

[Sailor Senshi]

C.) I've been exploring a hypothetical why the distraction would occur and Dann narrowed it into "RCE thinks Sailor is bits partner." Which is not what I said.

How is this distraction orchestrated if that's not what you believe

Sailor as town purposefully tries to distract from the Bitmap wagon?

I'm not following

It’s quite a reach, but is it town or scum motivated? Since it’s RCE, anything’s possible.

[Sailor Senshi]

A.) No I said it has the possibility to be intentional.

I feel like this is both really cynical and just not a sound strategic move for scum to make but I'm not particularly in the mood to argue the point right now in greater detail right now. I will say that I'm kinda surprised you're making this argument but I'm not sure how it swings in your alignment.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

The 1v1 is over and Nancy Drew and Shiro are pretty active now. Why are you still here, Krazy? Have you fallen back in love with mafia?

wtf?

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

I'm curious what his motivations are for changing his mind about taking a passive role this game.

I'm sorry if it is rude, I didn't see it that way. Maybe "fallen back in love" is hyperbolic and sounds sarcastic, but one of the possible explanations seemed like he's enjoying the game more than he expected

The mod messaged our slot with a mechanical action and when I went to write a post to translate what the mod had said to the thread I saw that RCE was saying I had deliberately provoked RC into a fight which I felt compelled to respond to. No, I'm not particularly enjoying the game, and it's not improbable that I'll go back to the intended backseat role I was planning to play once discussion isn't about whether or not I purposefully set out to piss off RC.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

If that was your intention pretty sure you could've worded that better, I interpreted it as you telling Krazy to gtfo
-Tana

Me too, why shouldn’t our hydra partner still be here?

[Sailor Senshi]

Krazy is one of my favorite players to play with.

He's planning to go on hiatus, and I don't want to see that hiatus be a permanent one, so he gets heavily involved with this game and that turns him off of mafia even harder... :/

He got turned off because our slot got wrongly sr despite being mechanically cleared in VG and it came down to sheer luck, that we weren’t mislynched and town still won that.

[Sailor Senshi]

Dannfor replies to: "unless I feel like Bitmap or pops is actually worth a push."

with "What on earth makes this a worthy push"

Which is so blatantly wrong and out of character for them that I feel it deserves a vote. Sailor was explicitly saying they were not worthy of a push.

Not sure how important this is in your overall read of Dann, but I'm pretty sure the "this" he was referring to there was the vote on Tana, i.e.
"What on earth makes [this] a worthy push" could be reworded as--> "Why are you voting [Tana]?"

I slightly think Dann doing a snapvote on me there is maybe townie even if I found it annoying at the time. Still leaning town on him.

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

I think a partner, or sailor, intentionally used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

11/10 deduction except that's 100% false to anyone that remotely followed what happened.

SS Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

Damn look at that ninja. Even got the exact same presentation of the quote lol

Cunnigham's law in action

-Mercury

[Sailor Senshi]

Sailor, your thoughts on recent events?

Can Shiro bake a cookie?

I have a book with recipes for chocolate cookies. And I mean Titus I kinda started this LE thing and as of now my thoughts haven't really changed infact the voting anyone that goes against them in an attempt to save face strengthens it.

I also do belive Katsuki should be lynched tommorow or vigged at night. I don't want to repeat heroes wanted. I really don't.

[Sailor Senshi]

Hmph...

The proxy thing works by Katsuki voting who I say. I already answered why the different wagon...VCA.

Shiro should bake a cookie matching your hydra's mood.

Fresh out the oven. Right after it was burning everything it touched.

[Sailor Senshi]

I kinda don't want to be voting LE anymore their last wall post was really townie, it made me 180.

Eeeeeeeeeh I was confident as well.

@GIF
B tag supremacy forever

Unvote

P. Edit

Hush hush your past post already broke my read.

SS Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

Sailor, your thoughts on recent events?

Can Shiro bake a cookie?

I have a book with recipes for chocolate cookies. And I mean Titus I kinda started this LE thing and as of now my thoughts haven't really changed infact the voting anyone that goes against them in an attempt to save face strengthens it.

I also do belive Katsuki should be lynched tommorow or vigged at night. I don't want to repeat heroes wanted. I really don't.

This is actually so scummy considering how I was voting+pushing scum virtually the entire time I was in that game, and lynched two mafia in the 3 days I was there.

You were a huge contributing factor towards my apathy that game given how you guys managed to spam out hundreds of pages in 3 game days and I can't even be mad at you for it because you were scum there.

VOTE: SAILOR

That post was from Shiro, genius.

[Sailor Senshi]

It's funny but also my bad, I should always sign.

SS Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

Krazy is one of my favorite players to play with.

He's planning to go on hiatus, and I don't want to see that hiatus be a permanent one, so he gets heavily involved with this game and that turns him off of mafia even harder... :/

He got turned off because our slot got wrongly sr despite being mechanically cleared in VG and it came down to sheer luck, that we weren’t mislynched and town still won that.

wow that must suk.
I feel like i was in a similar position in CK9++ and i didnt like it.
-Tana

Spoiler:

Town won because Chemist was asleep but the worst part (no pun intended) was that tw paranoia sr us and eventhough he couldn’t vote, he was directing the vote. We had absolutely no say in it because the dead thread was in charge and they were deciding between us and scum!FG/Cheeky. Had Chemist been awake, tw would have probably told him to vote us. His vote was on scum!FG, so that was the only reason, we weren’t mislynched/town won.

[Sailor Senshi]

I can understand that interpretation, but I feel less good about Eventide's chances of being scum currently.
PEdit: Kokichi Oma is, to put it bluntly, an asshat.

Don't Diss my boy Kokichi D: When he roleplays Kokichi he is astounding.

SS Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

Unless you weren't talking about the alt then carry on.

SS Venus.

[Sailor Senshi]

Uhhhh p sure that's a Shiro post
Only Nancy in that hydra was scum in HW iirc

Yep

[Sailor Senshi]

Oooh Sailor btw
I will read the iso on Titus that you provided yest, I haven't forgotten

Yeah, I initially sr because I thought her initial pushes were whack but her tone in it was super townie but I remember she had some good insights early game - that dance mechanic was anti-town and she wound up being right about that.

[Sailor Senshi]

Sailor, your thoughts on recent events?

Can Shiro bake a cookie?

I have a book with recipes for chocolate cookies. And I mean Titus I kinda started this LE thing and as of now my thoughts haven't really changed infact the voting anyone that goes against them in an attempt to save face strengthens it.

I also do belive Katsuki should be lynched tommorow or vigged at night. I don't want to repeat heroes wanted. I really don't.

This is actually so scummy considering how I was voting+pushing scum virtually the entire time I was in that game, and lynched two mafia in the 3 days I was there.

You were a huge contributing factor towards my apathy that game given how you guys managed to spam out hundreds of pages in 3 game days and I can't even be mad at you for it because you were scum there.

VOTE: SAILOR

Funny though it should have been obvious it was me. Since I was responding to Titus about cookies with my name on it.

[Sailor Senshi]

And fir someone that is so damn perceptive that by day 2 supposedly gets all the scum right that's a very huge oversight.

SS Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

... Ok, more or less actually caught up now. Gamma back-off on bitmap feels weird and what the fuck is with that timing? Also, announcing day roleblockers are a thing??

There is obviously a loud day roleblocker in this game. If they were town, they wasted their power on us.

[Sailor Senshi]

Null for me, though probably more town leaning null. No general reason just tonal feeling.

SS Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

Sailor, your thoughts on recent events?

Can Shiro bake a cookie?

I have a book with recipes for chocolate cookies. And I mean Titus I kinda started this LE thing and as of now my thoughts haven't really changed infact the voting anyone that goes against them in an attempt to save face strengthens it.

I also do belive Katsuki should be lynched tommorow or vigged at night. I don't want to repeat heroes wanted. I really don't.

This is actually so scummy considering how I was voting+pushing scum virtually the entire time I was in that game, and lynched two mafia in the 3 days I was there.

You were a huge contributing factor towards my apathy that game given how you guys managed to spam out hundreds of pages in 3 game days and I can't even be mad at you for it because you were scum there.

VOTE: SAILOR

Funny though it should have been obvious it was me. Since I was responding to Titus about cookies with my name on it.

Well if Katsuki’s actually town here, if this game is any indication, both his current alt readings and scum readings need work.

At any rate, how is he making the connection between me being scum in HW with this game? The only part of it that I obviously had a problem with, is that Nero replaced him and his slot became obvtown.

[Sailor Senshi]

I’m starting to think LE may be mislynchbait.

[Sailor Senshi]

Oh come on I'm here for Magical Girls suffering not us the players ourselves for crying out loud.

I'm going to say though, this does not look like Town vs Scum for me. Krazy and us were scum hydra together in Port Arthur (I opted out of the hydra back then though) and she looks a bit different there and Tana and Ephraim's reaction also doesn't look scum. I mean the whole conflict aside, the interactions look almost NAI and maybe slight townread to both sides.

-Maika

Leaning town on CS

[Sailor Senshi]

Why

Because she seems sincere eventhough her reads are generally bad. Is she scum or is she low charisma but RC is really good at seeing the difference, so I could still be wrong on that. @Shiro, we shouldn’t disregard RC’s read on LE. So, I guess null on her rn.

@Ephraim, do you think LE could possibly be mislynchbait here?

or are we being dumb?

~Mars

[Sailor Senshi]

evidence that I'm reading.

Tana and Ephraim (Sakura Hana + RadiantCowbells) [X]: arrogance 401 reminds me of town, i like the pops push, I'm ok with the interaction with SS, but there's definitely some hokey: i.e. FoTM.

Bitmap [X]: lean town - I liked her grasp on eventide + I think the culling of discussion on game play is fair.

RCEnigma [X]: i think voting, inactive is typically scum as in 452.

Dannflor [X]: mmm, weak town read, but 533 interests me. does scum dan take a consiliatory tone towards his scum reads? his flop between SS-town vs scum makes me wary but could be cause he's a nice fellow.

Sailor Senshi (Shiro + Krazy + Nancy Drew 39) [X]: Nothing AI imo. But I'm town reading for [redacted] reasons

Gamma Emerald [X]: town, like the action of 383 attacking LLD, I also think pages 18-19 attacking bitmap is town driven, as agreement with most of the people. I liked his mediation - that was in good faith. Might be my strongest town read at the moment.

popsofctown [X]: lean scum, vote switch galore, hop on bitmap was no good imo. Other reasons here or there

Titus [X]: town, push lurkers, solid interaction with rc, etc.

Lady Eventide (Evenstar + Lillaire)[X]: scummy. but weak scummy, as discussed by bitmap and Dann. I thought "liliare felt bad" was town, but still nothing substantial by any means.

gameplay506 [X]: 714's summary is lame, but it's probably a town summary.

Kind of mindmelding with a lot of this. Null on Bitmap currently. Shiro is also suspicious of RCE. DD may also be town.

[Sailor Senshi]

Spoiler:

This setup rewards scumhunting more than townhunting, I suspect, if you kill a scum, they stop drinking off your same gauge on top of being deaded.

I don’t remember much about the last one besides the fact I carried as scum. But, I don’t think the bar was that big an issue the first time around? Sakura can hit me if I’m wrong here, but I don’t remember it ever overheating. Also there was no backup bar. I don’t think we should really alter our play much, day one for sure. But I’m not getting lynched day 1 so I’ll leave that to my partner~

pops i swear to fucking god if ur scum again

I would scumread this post if it came from anyone but bitmap for how big an overreaction this was to pops weird ass post.

pops i swear to fucking god if ur scum again

this is an overreaction

Glad we agree.

Is it too early to start with the semi-serious fos's or should I not read too much into what has been posted huh

Please, by all means, get some fos going so I don’t have to pretend that I care about these early game opinions. It makes my life much easier.

The vote hopping seems opportunistic.

Wow vote hoping in the early game where people call it RVS I can not believe the events happening right now…

It felt different from Dann's vote hopping.

Dann's were all vanity where pop has been voting on wagons with traction.

I don’t know how I feel about the fact you’re making decent posting right now. More so I don’t see scum you making this up at the moment. You don’t seem that good at scum. At least, to what I recall.

I never said it was a serious fos.

Hey guys! he never said it was a serius fos, he said it was a

semi-serious fos

, VERY VERY DIFFERENT.
-Tana

Wow Sakura are we gonna be making posts like this all game? Man if you wanna live in the shade please throw more. Although I was tempted to avoid talking about you and RC all together given you just scumread whoever pushes you and RC is well...RC but hey let’s throw a bone make some magic and see where it takes us right? Please just don’t waste my time.

I too think Titus is town by why wouldn't Scum!Titus discredit the votes on her?

This post is bad, anyone in the history of mafia would try to discredit posts on them. Are we going to state other obvious facts? Here I’ll start. Enigma is scummy.

I’m liking Maria so far. Anyone have meta on DD? I still think tl but I could also see some parts as possibly fence sittery?

[Sailor Senshi]

CW may possibly be town.

Currently most sus on RCE and Pops.

Spoiler:

Wow, like six pages of useless flaming overnight. Mafia must be laughing and laughing right now.

And it all started with pressure being put on Sailor Senshi, so guess where my vote's going?

VOTE: Sailor Senshi

If the thread explodes when someone gets pressured, >rand they're scum.

It feels like you're taking some mental shortcuts on the critical thinking here, in a way that I find a little scummy. "Guess where my vote's going?" has this air of justification to it.
That's apart from whether the heuristic is good. I prefer the heuristic I (re)posted in Role Call I to try to prevent the losing mislynch:

By the way I have developed this wonderful D1 tell relating to RC.

If the player
1. knows RC
2. goes hail mary on him D1

The player is most likely town.

The meta on 2/3rds of the slot suggests it should be pretty readable by lategame, so it'd take something that I unambiguously interpret as scummy for me to want to wagon it. I do agree it's survivalist scum-indicative that Krazy posted so quickly after the slot got any attention, and his characterization of the gamestate was very scum indicative too. But lots of stuff counsels the other way.

And I mean it, your iso is a sad read for a 30 page long game, Lady.

Can we call this slot something else since Lady Lambdadelta is also a Lady?

@DDL: is "leanscum" or "weak scummy" closer to cop guiltied for you?

Ugh, I wish I had the multi-iso tool from mafiauniverse here.

We have a multi-iso tool represented by a hyperlinked plus, max 3 slots.

No. I'm hoping we get even more developments and information by the time I'm revoting anywhere, and it might not be Senshi. I'm still possibly a sucker for the (fake?) townslip.

If you scumread me I hope I at least get to be town IRL, though.

Of course you're town IRL <3

What town slip did you see?

Also, where are the rest of your reads right now?

The first post saying "our role PMs imply it's singleball".
We don't have a sample mafia goon PM but it might have been phrased "your goal is for all the Hearts of Shadow to kill all others and for at least 1 member to survive." I guess it also might have been "kill all hearts of light" and then it's not a townslip at all.

Anything I said about what is present in your scum play would be tantamount to saying that it's not present in the same amount in your town play and thus would constitute discussing the town game to a level that I'm not comfortable with.

... If this is the actual rule I'm leaving this community. Because that's dumb as hell.

Nah pretty sure that's not the actual rule. It's pretty strict but not third order inferences strict.

Reads, for Dancefloor
Bitmap - Schrodinger's reread.
Café Stile - light green
Chaos Wind - hard town. There was an early post that was really could. I feel lazy. You'll have to find a way to make me not lazy. Without using those kitten powers you already expended. What a poor lifechoice you have made, Danceflor
DrDoLittle - Slightly town for not using drayma as an excuse to cop-out from playing mafia I think, though he hasn't gotten to play that much mafia yet.
gameplay506 - I feel kind of like volxen in Old Newbies in terms of seeing how my own meta could absolutely create a scumread on my slot, to the point of townreading the scumread. I find it curious RCEenigma hasn't done the same, only having 1 completed game of advantage on gameplay, and that being a game where he misread me. It raises the question of how possible it is to reset biases you had during a game when you incorporate new information in on a meta of a player? There's this other possibility that RCEnigma is just really damn good at mafia.
Gamma Emerald - He's kind of townie but I give him a harsh handicap on how townie I expect him to bleed.
HH, Katsuki, LLD - null
Tana and Ephraim - Sakura Hana did Sakura Hana obvtowning that I heard so many rumors about in the first few pages of the game before any of the muddle so I have the slot written off as town.
Titus - She seems hard to read, I've actually only played a couple RL days with Titus without being confirmed we share an alignment. Some of her positions seem convenient.
Promise Breaker - I lean town. I'm the wrong slot but I liked the general notion of trying not to miss the forest for the trees and not hone in on the grudge related voting patterns and look for voting patterns a bit more core to mafia.

Lady Even where are your reads at right now?

Be as thorough as you can

Right now...

Frankly I don't have a lot. But of the people I've interacted with/can recall, 5 minute version so as not to get interrupted again:

LLD:

Inscrutable, but I don't like how she seems to be ducking all inquiries. I know she loves mafia, so her silence is concerning.

Cop:

Scummy in a vague kind of way; I don't like them, I want to see more. I had a better reason but I've lost it somewhere.

Sailor Senshi:

Were lurking, which is a pet peeve of mine, and also were a source of the thread blowup, but TBQH my vote here was crappy and I ought to have known better. They've defended themselves well since and I think their reactions are towny. Not going back here today unless I find a very good reason, esp given the number of hops on here. (Who else was on this? God I want the VCA tools from MU.)

Tana and Ephraim:

Are currently pinging me very hard, both for tone reasons and because they're throwing shade at me but don't actually seem to want to lynch me. I feel like they're reading me as a weak town player they can mislynch later. Also they called me "a weak scum" when my scumgame LITERALLY GOT ME TO THE FINALE OF THE WORLD CHAMPIONSHIPS. Seriously? Have clearly not done any background meta on me whatsoever and ignored my previously posted scumgame.

Cafe Stiles:

Seems towny but fluffy at a first impression. Haven't looked into deeper, should.

Groar

Croag:

Scummy, because reasons.

Katsuki:

Is being weird, but I

think

it's a town kind of weird? Overall I want to see more and would not vote here right now.

Gameplay:

... I think they're town. I don't like how they play the game, but I think they're town. They seem to be motivated more by solving than by pushing for lynches, and that's good. Dislike them keeping me as a 'reserve lynch', but w/e.

Taristra

Titus:

Giving me very mixed signals, needs solving... but is posting enough, and is already under enough pressure, that I don't want to vote them right now. Would lynch Tana over them, would lynch them over Gameplay. Don't think that Sailor Senshi are scum rn, and that's a strike against them for an easy inactive push.

RCEnigma:

Gives me experienced-player vibes, but otherwise too early to judge alignment IMO. Gun to head, town.

DrDolittle:

Barely exists. I think he's voting me? Post seemed inoffensive at the time. Let me ISO fast he's only got 10 posts. First and apparently only

serious

vote... is on me, and IMO seems a bit opportunistic now. I was at what, three votes here? Deserves some investigation/pressure.

Bitmap:

No real read, should probably go back and look at esp. given his mentions and apparently having attracted some votes? Hm.

Hidden Happiness, Chaos Wind:

are both 2p hydras with nine posts. Need to contribute more.

Gamma Emerald:

Despite their vote on me there's nothing else in their ISO I can really complain about. They're just town.

Dannfor:

Likely town; you seem to be trying to solve me, rather than immediately writing me off as scum. I could be getting pocketed, but your ISO looks decent at a skim.

I hope I'm not missing anyone; activity list has a couple other people but I think they're parts of hydrae?

@Dannfor: I'll elaborate on this if you like but this is what I have in my head rn.

@Gameplay: her best

Comparing these two wallposts side by side, makes me feel LE is more likely to be town and Pops scum. CW, commenting Pops wall was hard to read wasn’t a coincidence. Pops’s wall is more difficult to make sense of than LE’s because of tons of pointless, confusing filler. In contrast, I remember his posts were very easy to make sense of in NDP.

Pops’ post here is reminding of the post from scum!Mylo in I think was it Forgotten Hourglass?

[Sailor Senshi]

What's NDP?

No Dead Person

[Sailor Senshi]

Also, all the defenses and the attempts to form counterwagons to them have been some bullshit thus far.
Chaos wind being like "oh yeah that is so town" when all they did was vote DDL without giving reasons and repeatedly say they needed following up on.
Popsofctown avoiding calling them out in their readslist, then calling them scum after, then still not voting them.
RCE saying a ton of stuff that really doesn't make any sense to justify pushing on multiple different people.

~Ephraim

Glad we’re mindmelding here. I’ll sheep you on any of LE, Pops, RCE. I’m still having trouble thinking his saying Krazy tried to derail Bitmap wagon, comes from town.

[Sailor Senshi]

It's pretty clear that you're more confident here than you should be. That you choose to nitpick phrasing rather than engage with the argument that you seem like you have TMI speaks volumes.

If I hypothetically had TMI, wouldn't that still make you scum?

... No!?

What the christ. You're being over-certain which is a common scumtell. I should

not

have to explain something so basic to you.

Like I suppose I'd be down to lynch Pops instead but I'd still want to lynch LE after.

I hard townread Tana and Ephraim, can you do distancing plays with one direction going like that?

I mean, I don't really know. I don't really do like football playbook mafia when I roll scum. Might make me lose.

This is what makes it pretty hardcore if it's distancing.

What's so hardcore distancing? I'm putting her as a viable lynch somewhere down the line while not actively pushing her and encouraging the lynch to go elsewhere. That's barebones distancing at best.

Why are you encouraging me to scumread you and to believe in an associative you think is false?

4: Why are you backing off now if you're still convinced I'm scum?

Wait when did I back off?

You're now saying that you might lynch pops before me, while saying that your case on them is still weaker than mine and largely based on associatives with me.

That's a bad look.

Can we just lynch already? My detesting day 1 is really kicking in.

... Really interesting that it happened to kick in right now. Hrmmmm.

E & T are town. And the only one looking bad here is you for sr them.

[Sailor Senshi]

You're now saying that you might lynch pops before me, while saying that your case on them is still weaker than mine and largely based on associatives with me. That's a bad look.

What are you gonna do about it?

She can’t answer that because it’s too “basic”. lmao

[Sailor Senshi]

You're now saying that you might lynch pops before me, while saying that your case on them is still weaker than mine and largely based on associatives with me. That's a bad look.

What are you gonna do about it?

What do you think all my previous posts were, chopped liver?

Also, this:

VOTE: Tana and Ephraim

this is a bad vote

Have any of them been good?

[Sailor Senshi]

I actually wasn't trying to earn your vote. I don't think I ever fake a townread on a player when I play scum. I try to think about what behaviors town!pops would townread or scumread and mimick that as closely as I can. I've come to realize that it results in bussing my partners too often, so I've been adjusting the scum side of that, but I haven't adjusted the town side of that very much.

I said I townread you because I thought town!pops would have townread you. I said I scumread your day 2 play because I thought town!pops would probably scumread your day 2 play. I only lied about nullreading my partner GoldenRobster and then when things started to narrow I had to fake scumreads on everyone but me of course.

I found it pretty surprising that RC moved his vote from LE onto CW after using pretty strong wording for how scummy he thinks I am, since that represents a heavy gap in judgment when I townread that slot. So I was curious to dig into why. He could convince me wrong. I'm not sure whether I'm persuaded yet but now I at least understand his perspective better.

Ok, I see somewhat. It's just that your play is close to what I see from scum!pops.

@LE: Why do you want to lynch the N1 kill bait? Also, pretty sure that slot is town based on Sakura's postings.

... because the scum are not going to just obligingly kill the people I want them to? T&E surviving the night tells me little to nothing about their alignment, because I know myself to be town and therefore scum might keep them alive just to ML me easier if I'm not dunked today.

They have had some towny moments but I also really do not like their pivots here, and I'm of the opinion that there's at least one scum in Sailor Senshi/Danforr/T&E based on their flareup. Senshi's been eliminated from my PoE by their defenses, so it's Dannfor and/or T&E. T&E are here to get reactions from so my pressure ought to be directed towards them and not Danforr rn.

Also looks like I need to reread Chaos Wind...

#188 seems stilted and over-formal. I don't like this entrance.
#715 slank excuse.
#971 was really really welcome given that everyone else was scumreading me at this time, but I feel like chemist ought to have... actually provided, like,

reasons

here. That they're right about me but give an incoherent reason why feels like an attempt to claim credit for being right when I flip. That they don't actually defend me says that they might actually want me to flip anyway.
Continues to defend me in #975 but continues to fail to make the meta argument I'd expect. Hmmm.
#982 is accurate and good but I still have concerns.

@Chaos Wind are you around?

Pedit @Tana:

"potentially being a less towny town than my SO who's barely ever played mafia before stings my pride, esp. as I've been having a bad run of getting lynched early as town recently."

I added this to my wall because it was the truth and a thought I was having? I don't like getting lynched D1 and I feel like I ought to be playing better than this? Seems like a weird question but whatever.

If you’re actually town here, you have the worst reads ever. *smdh*

[Sailor Senshi]

Also it's kind of depressing that everyone's planning around us dying.

I mean, you know that's what WILL happen. Even when a game has like a million bodyguards no one protects you N1 apparently, unless that bodyguard happens to be me.
-Tana

That’s exactly what happened in Arch, even RC tribute hydra didn’t protect us. :/

[Sailor Senshi]

Which SS head is here posting?

Nancy aka Mars

[Sailor Senshi]

@Gameplay: Same question; what are your current reads of Dannfor and RCE?

I have Dann as town
As for RCE idk
Can't really recall any of his posts and I didn't really follow his logic that someone was trying to distract from a Bitmap lynch. It didn't seem very probable tbf.

Do you think it’s scummy?

[Sailor Senshi]

Why not Chaos Wind?

I can’t read Chemist, I always sr him. Based on him saying Pops wallpost was hard to read or whatever, probably not SvS.

I’m null on them and people I’m not tr or with reads I don’t trust are also pushing them.

[Sailor Senshi]

Hmmmm.

Reread is saying that Bitmap is likely town to me. Which says...

VOTE: RCEnigma

I feel that your theory, if actually believed, ought to have led to a vote on Dannfor, not on Senshi. Why do you believe Senshi/Tana scum/scum before considering Dannfor at all?

I didn’t even know RCE was voting us? Finally a vote of yours I don’t hate. RCE is making a link between us and Bitmap, for completely ludicrous reasons.

[Sailor Senshi]

If they're scum this is a scum lynch which is great.

If this is town we're killing someone who is never going to do anything more than what they've done so far.

And they have made some

awful

takes so far this game.

Good morning to you too

-Wind

Is this Chemist or Eragon?

[Sailor Senshi]

Hmmmm.

Reread is saying that Bitmap is likely town to me. Which says...

VOTE: RCEnigma

I feel that your theory, if actually believed, ought to have led to a vote on Dannfor, not on Senshi. Why do you believe Senshi/Tana scum/scum before considering Dannfor at all?

Mmm can you explain

The theory they put forwards is that the tana/senshi fight was staged/inflamed to distract from the bitmap wagon. If so, then either A: Senshi and/or Tana have excellent acting skills in order to stage that, or B: Dannfor was an instigator from the sidelines. Having reread that section, B seems far more plausible to me.

How did Dann instigate anything?

[Sailor Senshi]

Hmmmm.

Reread is saying that Bitmap is likely town to me. Which says...

VOTE: RCEnigma

I feel that your theory, if actually believed, ought to have led to a vote on Dannfor, not on Senshi. Why do you believe Senshi/Tana scum/scum before considering Dannfor at all?

Mmm can you explain

The theory they put forwards is that the tana/senshi fight was staged/inflamed to distract from the bitmap wagon. If so, then either A: Senshi and/or Tana have excellent acting skills in order to stage that, or B: Dannfor was an instigator from the sidelines. Having reread that section, B seems far more plausible to me.

Well:

I think a partner,

or sailor

, intentionally used the conflict with Ephraim to divert pressure from your wagon.

So he could've possibly believed scenario A and thus his vote on Sailor does make sense, right?

He said he hated Krazy’s push on Tana.

[Sailor Senshi]

@Dannfor: You seem to be spinning things a lot, and it looks like you played the earlier situation for max chaos from the sidelines - knowing that RC and Krazy don't get along and both have poor tempers, your "hostile" comment takes on the aspect of being a lit match tossed onto gasoline from afar. I would like to hear more about why you voted Senshi initially, as your current explanation does not satisfy me; I would also like to hear a real, solid analysis of bitmap from you.

The former comment is simply untrue. Even as scum I would not intentionally stroke an argument between two players that was that heated and personal. I also did not know RC and Krazy didn't get along prior to this.

I voted Senshi initially because I thought their push on Tana was terrible, frankly. That's all there is to it.

Why do you want a Bitmap read from me? That seems random

Damn, I have a good memory.

[Sailor Senshi]

He could have, I just don't understand why the hell he'd investigate that one first.

I see, I see
And since you asked me about my read on RCE and Dann do you think they are buddies or just that RCE was trying to ml Sailor?

I think it's possible that RCE was literally talking about a strategy he used with Dannfor and pinning it on Senshi, yeah. His argument also comes with a built in excuse to back off: lynch bitmap or senshi, they flip green, whoops better reevaluate everything!

I don't like RCE's pushes on Sailor or Bitmap at all. Especially as they chose to push Sailor for their association with Bitmap rather than, y'know, Bitmap.

Right now I'm thinking there's at least one scum in Dann/RCE, and I very much want to hear everyone's reads on this.

@Senshi: I'm doing ny best, ok? You got any advice for me to improve, or are you just going to snark from the sidelines?

No, you’re doing better now. How do you read Pops, CW?

I’m struggling to find townie reasons to read that comment from RCE, that’s why I think Dann is town. It wasn’t scummy to be suspicious of Krazy for his Tana push but it IS super sketch for RCE to throw shade on us for something that makes 0 sense.

[Sailor Senshi]

I'm okay if we lynch RCE today as well.

I think if the Krazy/RC argument had happened closer to deadline and he shaded us then, it would still be sketch but I could maybe still see some minuscule ray of logic but to make that kind of comment when the game’s pretty much just started, reeks to me of either scum pushing a mislynch or at the very least, setting up one in the future. I only hesitate because RCE wrongly sr me for posting a role pm from another game in LNT, that wasn’t even mine so basically, RCE is the king of nutso reads.

[Sailor Senshi]

Right now I'm thinking there's at least one scum in Dann/RCE, and I very much want to hear everyone's reads on this.

I really don't like "There must be in scum in subset X" minigames. I feel like it just gives you more chances to mess up, once when you setup the group, then again if you miss as you select within the group.

I'd have to be sold on Dannflor or RCE being independently scummy for the things they've done.

RCE’s shade on us re: Bitmap wagon: crazy or scummy?

[Sailor Senshi]

Wind is Chemist, Eragon is Chaos.

Has Eragon even posted?

I have wrongly sr Chemist every game except the one he pretty much obvtowned in, where I was scum.

[Sailor Senshi]

Nancy I thought you scumread Pops

I do. That doesn’t mean I can’t ask him questions.

[Sailor Senshi]

I'm okay if we lynch RCE today as well.

I think if the Krazy/RC argument had happened closer to deadline and he shaded us then, it would still be sketch but I could maybe still see some minuscule ray of logic but to make that kind of comment when the game’s pretty much just started, reeks to me of either scum pushing a mislynch or at the very least, setting up one in the future. I only hesitate because RCE wrongly sr me for posting a role pm from another game in LNT, that wasn’t even mine so basically, RCE is the king of nutso reads.

To be fair, they have value. Or will when they catch scum. I don't think wagonshifting is as out there as the role pm was. I also don't think you have anything to worry about if bit flips green, it's probably my head if he does and you look better in light of it.

I half understand why Krazy took issue with the read but I haven't pushed your slot outside of the original vote to get at least one of the heads to engage.

I'm digging in because there shouldn't be resistance from outside slots like this if my read was just a throwaway trash read. Even if I'm right for the wrong reasons.

Maybe not and I think it was LE who said you voted us? But that isn’t really the point. How can a wagon even be derailed that close to game start? Also, Krazy’s play here is light years away from PFUPs. Because in a world where this would even be true, from a scum pov, how would it even further that wincon atp in the game? That’s partially why I’m saying it makes absolutely no sense.

Anyway, current reads on Pops, CW, LE?

[Sailor Senshi]

Wind is Chemist, Eragon is Chaos.

Has Eragon even posted?

I have wrongly sr Chemist every game except the one he pretty much obvtowned in, where I was scum.

Like once yes

He says that he’ll be around either today or tomorrow

Spoiler:

i don’t believe him

Also what was the game I obvtowned in because I’m pretty sure that didn’t happen

-Wind

PFUPs, I was in Avengers’ hydra.

[Sailor Senshi]

Hey who made the post where they were like setting up a dichotomy between two players' vote shifting patterns, one of which was Dannflor? Early in the game

LE I think.

[Sailor Senshi]

Hey who made the post where they were like setting up a dichotomy between two players' vote shifting patterns, one of which was Dannflor? Early in the game

I think that was Bitmap

Oh? Didn’t LE do that with you and RCE?

[Sailor Senshi]

Right now I'm thinking there's at least one scum in Dann/RCE, and I very much want to hear everyone's reads on this.

I really don't like "There must be in scum in subset X" minigames. I feel like it just gives you more chances to mess up, once when you setup the group, then again if you miss as you select within the group.

I'd have to be sold on Dannflor or RCE being independently scummy for the things they've done.

RCE’s shade on us re: Bitmap wagon: crazy or scummy?

I don't think those are mutually exclusive. I think it's scummy on balance but I don't assign it a high magnitude. I feel cognizant of being TR by RCE right now when I'm rather unpopular right now though, so there's that.

What does RCE’s read on you have to do with it?

It’s these kind of null content fence sittery posts, why I don’t think you’re town here.

[Sailor Senshi]

VOTE: Pops

[Sailor Senshi]

Right now I'm thinking there's at least one scum in Dann/RCE, and I very much want to hear everyone's reads on this.

I really don't like "There must be in scum in subset X" minigames. I feel like it just gives you more chances to mess up, once when you setup the group, then again if you miss as you select within the group.

I'd have to be sold on Dannflor or RCE being independently scummy for the things they've done.

RCE’s shade on us re: Bitmap wagon: crazy or scummy?

I don't think those are mutually exclusive. I think it's scummy on balance but I don't assign it a high magnitude. I feel cognizant of being TR by RCE right now when I'm rather unpopular right now though, so there's that.

What does RCE’s read on you have to do with it?

It’s these kind of null content fence sittery posts, why I don’t think you’re town here.

This reads like I don’t want to push or sr anyone who’s tr me. RCE’s read on you has zilch to do with the with that whole reachy Bitmap thing.

[Sailor Senshi]

Right now I'm thinking there's at least one scum in Dann/RCE, and I very much want to hear everyone's reads on this.

I really don't like "There must be in scum in subset X" minigames. I feel like it just gives you more chances to mess up, once when you setup the group, then again if you miss as you select within the group.

I'd have to be sold on Dannflor or RCE being independently scummy for the things they've done.

RCE’s shade on us re: Bitmap wagon: crazy or scummy?

I don't think those are mutually exclusive. I think it's scummy on balance but I don't assign it a high magnitude. I feel cognizant of being TR by RCE right now when I'm rather unpopular right now though, so there's that.

What does RCE’s read on you have to do with it?

It’s these kind of null content fence sittery posts, why I don’t think you’re town here.

His read might make it hard for me to analyze objectively.
Tana has kind of touched on the concept earlier this game.

UNVOTE:

[Sailor Senshi]

Right now I'm thinking there's at least one scum in Dann/RCE, and I very much want to hear everyone's reads on this.

I really don't like "There must be in scum in subset X" minigames. I feel like it just gives you more chances to mess up, once when you setup the group, then again if you miss as you select within the group.

I'd have to be sold on Dannflor or RCE being independently scummy for the things they've done.

RCE’s shade on us re: Bitmap wagon: crazy or scummy?

Both, there is no contradiction.

My point is that if it’s crazy, it points to him being town, if scummy, well you know. RCE has made crazy reads in other games as town, like in LNT, so for him, this kind of thing could just be NAI.

[Sailor Senshi]

Oh come on I'm here for Magical Girls suffering not us the players ourselves for crying out loud.

I'm going to say though, this does not look like Town vs Scum for me. Krazy and us were scum hydra together in Port Arthur (I opted out of the hydra back then though) and she looks a bit different there and Tana and Ephraim's reaction also doesn't look scum. I mean the whole conflict aside, the interactions look almost NAI and maybe slight townread to both sides.

-Maika

1. hey titus can you tell me if your read on gameplay updated at all

2.

Wow, like six pages of useless flaming overnight. Mafia must be laughing and laughing right now.

And it all started with pressure being put on Sailor Senshi, so guess where my vote's going?

VOTE: Sailor Senshi

If the thread explodes when someone gets pressured, >rand they're scum.

was this eva or lily

3. our opinion on sailor senshi was reconciled and its probably a light lean town

4. i personally think dann's mediating is villagery and pops' tone is villagery

5. titus voting sailor senshi was probably town motivated, actually

6. someone said eva's mechs talk was scummy which i didn't agree at the time but eva talking about how she has been mislynched before for mech talking was kinda wolfy

7. im gone for the day so please bother Maika if you need us

- Hideri

@Ephraim, why?

[Sailor Senshi]

Spoiler:

eyyyy im on time

VOTE: croag

only way to win

UNVOTE: croagUNVOTE:

jk

UNVOTE: me

bruh

I actually
Had a dream about this game and I solved the entire game but now I’ve woken up I need
To read everything I thought I already knew...

Anyone tr this?

[Sailor Senshi]

VOTE: Cafe Stile

[Sailor Senshi]

I think bitmap saying that we're a super confident townread then turning around and saying he'd consider lynching us if we're alive to day 3 is strange, it's the same line of shit he said in our last scum game, etc.

Yeah, why would you consider lynching a super confident tr?

[Sailor Senshi]

I have a hot take of LE's hydra dissonance feels like the slot is town
-Tana

My reads are not terrible.

I’m starting to think LE may be mislynchbait.

[Sailor Senshi]

Tana and Ephraim are very much in their scum ranges and have done almost nothing that I’ve seen to make me warrant a townread on them

So this is how you're going to be like huh
-Tana

Dont listen to the voice Sakura, we know you are town, have a hug.


This was my brief messege, remember folks Shiro loves you, goodnight



SS Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

Can we just vote Bitmap or Lady? Thanks.

Ok before I go, I dunno ladies posts seem really town to me after teh incident, bitmap eh I am null, why ? do you townread RCE ?

[Sailor Senshi]

uhhh so I know this is a 180 but I think Lady is town

Welcome ot my world

SS Venus

[Sailor Senshi]

I actually
Had a dream about this game and I solved the entire game but now I’ve woken up I need
To read everything I thought I already knew...

I’m sl this post btw. This type of post is more likely to come from scum than town - especially since it is not followed up by even a single read or thought on the gamestate.