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[Garmr]

I'm fine with a survivor.
VOTE: Gamma

[Garmr]

was a struggle at times to get a game with 10 players of which 2-4 would be turbo lurkers. Think a game with so low activity that it could have its

days extended to a hoel month

VOTE: Bob
It's my Hoel vote.

[Garmr]

I like having hetic in this game his generating content and making the game flow.

That being said Town shouldn't really want a neutral survivor in the game but I'm a bit of hypocrite but a hypocrite with reasons . I guess we just treat mylo as a day earlier.


Finding it hard to digest 10 pages of content so fast.

VOTE: You are great

Gut doesn't like her.

[Garmr]

hopirk posting that carca is town on the exact same minute that i posted carca is town probably makes all three of us town

I feel the same way about this post seems a little artificial.

[Garmr]

@Gamma

You remember the game where I rocked it and nailed the entire scum team by day 3 and no one listened to me? Yeah I get the feeling this game won't be like that. I feel as wonky as

FB

. So want to help me find some scum. Because I'm a little lost and I feel like your town.

[Garmr]

@Gamma

You remember the game where I rocked it and nailed the entire scum team by day 3 and no one listened to me? Yeah I get the feeling this game won't be like that. I feel as wonky as

FB

. So want to help me find some scum. Because I'm a little lost and I feel like your town.

Are you referring to The Thread Title Sucked?

yes

[Garmr]

quite sad you are great never reacted to me.

[Garmr]

Ok, reading 12 pages for a start is also something new I guess. Will just go on with what stuck to me.

Hectic is hard to read with this memeing behaviour, however I feel a townie mindset is recognizable between all this. I felt particularly in the beginning he tried to sort some players and his votes looked to me like they a had a constructive intention. I guess.

YAG is also giving me kind of positive vibes. More for the development of her thought process on Hectic after him trying to sneak into the town-bloc thing, I feel like scum wouldn't really bother to share this doubt.

Don't like Elements so far. He is one of the top posters here which makes him look quite active but most his posts feel hollow/don't contribute much at all. VOTE: Elements

Oh your pinged by her as well wanna sheep me and I'll use you as a ladder to get into the game. What do you think of her trying to start a friend block when she say two people clicking that didn't involve her?

i dont like this post but i'm not sure why

This post pinged me.

[Garmr]

People voting judge look like people that want to stay busy by voting an active player that's not been talked about as far as widely town read goes.

Why are ppl voting judge? I haven't seen anything from them scummy.

Do people really not think skellen or YOUAREGREAT are scummy?

I have some concerns with skellen but their lack of posing worries me.

how is YAG any bad?

Yag is a very naughty girl.

[Garmr]

stop being cute, it's gonna make me feel bad for lynching you!

You're not gonna lynch me. You will let scum shoot me at night (as is the plan).

I am for this plan. I'm a good lawful boy and will let Judge shield me.

[Garmr]

??Kop
??Cliff Booth
??Sharon Tate
??EeveeLution Army
??Fish Monger
??rosterfoster
??Garmr
??bob3141
??Skellen

This is a list of players that are not actually playing this game yet. If any pf them has something to contribute it's better to say it no rather than after a wagon had formed on you.

I went and quickly skimmed your post couldn't find like any scum reads only town reads. Do you think the entire scum read is in this list?

[Garmr]

I went and quickly skimmed your post couldn't find like any scum reads only town reads. Do you think the entire scum read is in this list?

My working theory is there's a deepwolf in the active players and the rest if the team are low activity.

Oh ok was curious so who do you think the the deep wolf is most likely? Also does that implicate anyone on the list you put up.

[Garmr]

@Billy: I notice you didn’t seem to respond to my argument that if town didn’t get coloured pms then neither did scum, so it’s not possible to ‘townslip’ based on pm colour. Do you still count the ‘townslip’ as a townslip?
@Cliff: If you got a problem with me and you’re feeling too brave to hide behind your buddy Rick like usual then I’m right here.

UNVOTE: Judge

??Kop
??Cliff Booth
??Sharon Tate
??EeveeLution Army
??Fish Monger
??rosterfoster
??Garmr
??bob3141
??Skellen

This is a list of players that are not actually playing this game yet. If any pf them has something to contribute it's better to say it no rather than after a wagon had formed on you.

I went and quickly skimmed your post couldn't find like any scum reads only town reads. Do you think the entire scum read is in this list?

This question feels odd.

VOTE: Judge Joseph Dread

So what is your reason for voting him.

Sorry, did you find nothing to comment on in the 500 posts between where you were at and this?

VOTE: garmr

-Kirk

Why does odd= scummy or do you just don't like things you don't understand ?

[Garmr]

I don't think scum speculates out loud when they have a day chat active to talk into. That's probably going to change eventually.

[Garmr]

I don't think scum speculates out loud when they have a day chat active to talk into. That's probably going to change eventually.

There is difference between scum speculating on the setup and scum using that speculation to actively hunt any pr. They could do prior in their private thread but the later would need them to engage with us. Why I think it could be an attempt to ascertain any town pr. Aswell any potential fake claims they could make.

Oh ok I been thinking about your post and reflecting on it.

I thought he might of been crumbing a role with the speculation originally but hunting specific roles based on mafia roles is a possibility as well.

[Garmr]

Because it is kinda weird that he used watcher/tracker combo as the investigative options when there's potential for others like cop or hider. Kinda like it's tmi.

[Garmr]

Because it is kinda weird that he used watcher/tracker combo as the investigative options when there's potential for others like cop or hider. Kinda like it's tmi.

Watcher/tracker is like an opposite duo. Can you think of another?

Why would there be a duo investigative role like tracker/watcher none of the roles have been revealed?

[Garmr]

Because it is kinda weird that he used watcher/tracker combo as the investigative options when there's potential for others like cop or hider. Kinda like it's tmi.

Watcher/tracker is like an opposite duo. Can you think of another?

Why would there be a duo investigative role like tracker/watcher none of the roles have been revealed?

it was an example of two investigative roles. I picked those two because they fit together. It was only to illustrate the point there might be 2 investigative roles.

Hmm I am going to drop this after some thought since Scum wouldn't think there is duo investigative roles with just a ninja. I thought of the possibility that you were scum with a ninja on your team fishing with the knowledge of a tracker or watcher but the fact you think both maybe in the game at the same time gives me a different conclusion.

[Garmr]

major slow down huh?

Don't worry, I'll take the blame for this one y'all. I've got work, so haven't been posting as much as over the weekend. Naturally, the less fun atmosphere of the thread, also missing Hectic, has been discouraging to people looking for levity in life.

I'm not sure Hectic does?? For one. In fact, I dunno how well Hopkirk, Hectic, bob, Elements, Billy, YAG, Sharon, ELA or Skellen know Rick Dalton. Some of them may, but I don't know that. Some of them I don't even know myself.

I played with him as a mason for iirc about 7 days where he seemed thoroughly reasonable, in line with my thoughts, and I definitely recall talk of him fakeclaiming at least a couple of time. This was a little over a year ago though so may be thoroughly misrememebered.


Ooh Bob can be town. I’m a fan of that tone. JJD can have a townread too. I’m a fan of the frustration.

@Garmar: odd as in disingenuous. I definitely didn’t get the impression JJD was saying ‘all of the scum are in this playerlist’ when he was pointing out inactive players. Your approach to that felt oddly aggressive given your lack of prior aggression. It feels like an odd choice to pick that post as one to pick apart with follow ups (who is the deep wolf) unless you were trying to pressure JJD into trying to overjustify his reads list (which I can see as townie) but that doesn’t really make sense since it was about inactives. What were you thoughts on Element’s reads list?

Not a massive fan of Element’s latest posting. It feels like he’s ran out of things to comment on and has started to move to more fluffy stuff.

@Rick: What’s your current read on Billy. If you have no clue where scum is are you going to mention what you disliked about me and how your read progressed there?

-Hop

Then are you actually paying attention to judge dreads posts? I was just curious if that was his thoughts or something else. I wasn't using it as a shit reason to scum him. Are you having a lot of trouble finding a scum read this game that you have to reach so for that reasoning to keep a vote on me?

Haven't really gone to deep in elements read list just yet. But I want to see how things play out.

[Garmr]

I think despite the fact I'm going for townreads, I've listed four-five people I'm currently suspicious off so that's on odd question. Do you never vote on something recent that pings you when you're ready to change your current vote?

Not sure what you're implying with 'Then are you actually paying attention to judge dreads posts?' I've definitely posted a lot about JJD/had a fun little wagon.

Think that's a dodge there. Your suspicious over a odd reason right why are you trying to paint my actions as scummy then? It seems like your reaching.

Btw I'm implying that if you didn't get the impression he was town reading a majority of the active players you didn't pay close attention to JJD since I got that from a skim and the fact I said that and JJD said he thought one was deep wolfing and the rest were in the scum list means I was some what right.

Posting a lot and actually trying to comprehending things about Judge thoughts are two different things.

[Garmr]

Want to try and get a record for the most pages posted on the site. I'm in the previous game that broke that record why not do that again?

[Garmr]

VC 1.3

roosterfoster (5):

Elements, Gamma Emerald, Kop, davesaz, profii

Billy Pilgrim - (2):

YouAreGreat, Hopkirk

Elements - (2):

Skellen, bob4131

Judge Joesph Dredd (2):

Hectic, roosterfoster

Hopkirk (2):

Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton

Carcalilly - (1):

Sharon Tate

davesaz- (1):

EeveeLution Army

Hectic - (1):

Judge Joseph Dredd

Kop - (1) :

profii

Skellen - (1):

Tchill13

YouAreGreat - (1):

Garmr

Not Voting:

Fish Monger

Shouldn't hopkirks vote be on me?

[Garmr]

VC 1.3

roosterfoster (5):

Elements, Gamma Emerald, Kop, davesaz, profii

Billy Pilgrim - (2):

YouAreGreat, Hopkirk

Elements - (2):

Skellen, bob4131

Judge Joesph Dredd (2):

Hectic, roosterfoster

Hopkirk (2):

Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton

Carcalilly - (1):

Sharon Tate

davesaz- (1):

EeveeLution Army

Hectic - (1):

Judge Joseph Dredd

Kop - (1) :

profii

Skellen - (1):

Tchill13

YouAreGreat - (1):

Garmr

Not Voting:

Fish Monger

Shouldn't hopkirks vote be on me?

Not according to 879.

Oh I missed that.

[Garmr]

I am 1000

[Garmr]

VOTE: Garmr
Seems to be active but doesn't appear to be trying to scumhunt.

Interesting let's see how that plays out for you.

[Garmr]

Even through I haven't be vocal in my interactions.


1.I have a town read on judge dread His answer to my query made me feel warm about him.

2.Laid out a test for gamma i'll find out if his town or scum and I don't need to use any powers to do all it requires is a bit of faith in him.

3.

[Garmr]

no I was supposed to preview that post. Wait a bit.

[Garmr]

Even through I haven't be vocal in my interactions.


1.I have a town read on judge dread His answer to my query made me feel warm about him. Plus I don't think scum would react the way

2.Laid out a test for gamma i'll find out if his town or scum and I don't need to use any powers to do all it requires is a bit of faith in him it should become obvious latter on. I guess this can apply to Bob in some extent as well. But I forgot he was in the game tilll recently. Through last game and this game bob feels different his more how to do I put it aggressive which makes me feel like his town.

3.I found Hopkirks vote pretty scummy on me I was going to shift over but I thought I would feel them out more. I feel like a town hopkirk wouldn't of disengaged like he did when it wasn't working out so well. But it honestly surprised me he would jump off me. It feels like he was dipping his toys in the water to see if he could get a wagon off instead of actually hunting.

4.I town read Elements now I don't want to go into it because it involves set up speculation.

5. I'm not feeling the "You are great vote" anymore.


Interactionless read.

Well I like caralilly for town but I don't have interactions with them. I hope to change this maybe like day 2 I'm not really in a rush through since I town read them. She pushes the game so I think she vital to the game at the moment as well.

[Garmr]

Point 3 has convinced me you're town

It's my best point yet .

on a serious note

VOTE: Hopkirk

[Garmr]

3.I found Hopkirks vote pretty scummy on me I was going to shift over but I thought I would feel them out more. I feel like a town hopkirk wouldn't of disengaged like he did when it wasn't working out so well. But it honestly surprised me he would jump off me. It feels like he was dipping his toys in the water to see if he could get a wagon off instead of actually hunting.

Did concern over being seen as OMGUSing play any part?

I never been concerned over OMGUSING when I vote someone so no. Through you could probably tell by my tone looking back that I was somewhat scum reading him.

[Garmr]

Did you pay attention to the part of 878 that applied to you?
Thoughts on the remainder of Hopkirk's posting?

I responded to it didn't I?

The rest of the post was pretty null tbh. Didn't really say much to me as it could of come from scum or towns mouth.

[Garmr]

Hey Titus really important question what do you read my slot as???

[Garmr]

VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?

Yeah but I want to be confirmed town.

[Garmr]

VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?

Yeah but I want to be confirmed town.

Why would my read make you conftown?

Because you never read me right in the numerous games we played. Was waiting for you to vote me

[Garmr]

VC please

Garmr, you know I don't read on subbing in?

Yeah but I want to be confirmed town.

Why would my read make you conftown?

Because you never read me right in the numerous games we played. Was waiting for you to vote me

You're wanting a rash impulse decision from

a woman who is putting her life back together

. Not going to happen.

Did something bad happen, are you ok?

[Garmr]

A few votes have been made on others with reasoning that could easily also be applied to me. That makes me think that maybe people think I'm something that I'm not?

Ooh, let me guess. People think you're town but you're not?
VOTE: Cliff Booth

BTW that's not just a joke vote. I happen to agree that the reasoning [not scumhunting] applies to you. Prove me wrong.

I'm not ready to scumhunt yet. But it was really easy to bait you into voting me. I'm gonna enjoy the feeling for awhile.

Btw your votes look really weird in a vacuum

Eh, I happen to be here now, Garmr woke up when I voted him, and your iso sucks.
Am I exhibiting IC level play yet?

I didn't wake up I just said what I was thinking out loud

[Garmr]

Hopkirk here. I know I wasn't able to post yesterday. If you want to know why then click on my name. To make up for it I'm going to be making not 7, not 16, but 30 posts today, whether they have any valuable content in them or not!

I think despite the fact I'm going for townreads, I've listed four-five people I'm currently suspicious off so that's on odd question. Do you never vote on something recent that pings you when you're ready to change your current vote?

Not sure what you're implying with 'Then are you actually paying attention to judge dreads posts?' I've definitely posted a lot about JJD/had a fun little wagon.

Think that's a dodge there. Your suspicious over a odd reason right why are you trying to paint my actions as scummy then? It seems like your reaching.

Btw I'm implying that if you didn't get the impression he was town reading a majority of the active players you didn't pay close attention to JJD since I got that from a skim and the fact I said that and JJD said he thought one was deep wolfing and the rest were in the scum list means I was some what right.

Posting a lot and actually trying to comprehending things about Judge thoughts are two different things.

You might want to check your chronology there!

JJD didn't mention the word 'deepwolf' until after your question, so it's certainly not something I'd assume beforehand.

762 and 764 certainly aren't as certain as you're projecting here. JJD mentions he'd want to lynch lurkers due to a general anti-lurking stance, and that he thinks (at this stage) there's likely a few scum in the lurkers/low activity players.

I can see he had a lot more townreads than scumreads and can understand why you asked the question. I feel like you're making what he was saying a lot more certain than he said it. Further, I find your response to my question/vote very aggressive/defensive.

You might want to check my wording I said "

somewhat right implying

it was a prediction by reading his posts" The deep wolf part what wasn't something I predicted. but other than that it was pretty close.

I can see he had a lot more townreads than scumreads and

can understand why you asked the question.

If you can understand why I said it why did you portray it as scummy earlier?

The reason I'm very aggressive with my response/vote is because your post/vote on me are scummy.

[Garmr]

Even through I haven't be vocal in my interactions.


1.I have a town read on judge dread His answer to my query made me feel warm about him. Plus I don't think scum would react the way

2.Laid out a test for gamma i'll find out if his town or scum and I don't need to use any powers to do all it requires is a bit of faith in him it should become obvious latter on. I guess this can apply to Bob in some extent as well. But I forgot he was in the game tilll recently. Through last game and this game bob feels different his more how to do I put it aggressive which makes me feel like his town.

3.I found Hopkirks vote pretty scummy on me I was going to shift over but I thought I would feel them out more. I feel like a town hopkirk wouldn't of disengaged like he did when it wasn't working out so well. But it honestly surprised me he would jump off me. It feels like he was dipping his toys in the water to see if he could get a wagon off instead of actually hunting.

4.I town read Elements now I don't want to go into it because it involves set up speculation.

5. I'm not feeling the "You are great vote" anymore.


Interactionless read.

Well I like caralilly for town but I don't have interactions with them. I hope to change this maybe like day 2 I'm not really in a rush through since I town read them. She pushes the game so I think she vital to the game at the moment as well.

ew
So what makes you think Town-Hopkirk would have stuck on you there? Would scum Hopkirk reasonably expect a wagon after one question and mostly naked vote?

The direct implication of ' see if he could get a wagon off instead of actually hunting.' is why I said ew. Implying I'm not hunting when I've explicitly made clear who I townread and people I'm disliking/looking at is clearly disingenuous.

For you to have missed my scumreads/townreads existing then you must either
A.) have a problem with my other posts
B.) only care about my vote on you and ignore my other posts
C.) not have read my other posts- which I'm infering from some stuff you've said isn't the case.

Eagerly awaiting your reply at the first available opportunity.
Kind regards,
Hopkirk

-Hop

What did you get out of your vote on me then? You just painted something as scummy then left. It was like you were testing waters. If you were town I felt you would of pushed a bit harder to get something concrete as up to that point you gained no new information or anything to change or confirm your read on me; This shows you weren't looking to sort my slot but to push a case.

Also it's B because my point doesn't revolve around other peoples posts and your comments on them. It's focused on that instance. Trying to spread out and say look at what I did with other people doesn't excuse your actions dealing with me.

[Garmr]

I think my case on hopkirk is better than the cliff wagon.

[Garmr]

I'm going to chuck tchill on my scum list for post 1210. I'm starting to think cliff is town judging how the wagon is forming on him. It's like everyone jumped on something surface level scummy because they have been starved of obvious scum.

Don't see any real merit in the cliff wagon either.

[Garmr]

besides that I have a little list, in order. town top.

gamma
hectic/

Dave

garmr
yag/profi
Bob/billy
Jjd
Dalton/Kop
Eevee/Eleme
Cliff

hopkirk

/tchill

I'm aware I haven't explained the lowest end much yet. I'll do that someday.

Fixed this for you.

That being said I don't understand why gamma is a top town read.

[Garmr]

Also do you know wtf Garmr's test is I've read the whole game through and idk what it is

Well that renders it useless then I was pretending to be a tracker which I'm not, with the hint I dropped you and if I bit the bullet then one between you and bob would be scum one and if I was alive you'd be both be town.

Since the only two from that game where you and bob and the chances of you and bob being on the same scum team are lower than you being t/t or t/s.

@Gamma

You remember the game where I rocked it and nailed the entire scum team by day 3 and no one listened to me? Yeah I get the feeling this game won't be like that. I feel as wonky as

FB

. So want to help me find some scum. Because I'm a little lost and I feel like your town.

FB was fire bringer and he was a tracker it was in italics so you'd get the hint.

But since your dense you with these things, you didn't pick up the hint ruining it.


This is why I had a weird reaction to elements because at first i thought that one of you and bob passed the role to him. Then I realised he thinks both are in the game so there's something else at play and not my test.

[Garmr]

...or was it well enough, I can't tell
Point is I wasn't as dense as you thought I was

lol point taken.

[Garmr]

It's honestly astounding how you and garmr continue to misunderstand me despite me explaining. I'll spell it out simply for you.

1. I thought the last thing I said regards to your alignment was you might be town so are you saying I'm wrong on that.

2. the last thing I said on your reads was I haven't gave it any thought

Have you read my posts?

[Garmr]

Even through I haven't be vocal in my interactions.


1.I have a town read on judge dread His answer to my query made me feel warm about him.

2.Laid out a test for gamma i'll find out if his town or scum and I don't need to use any powers to do all it requires is a bit of faith in him.

3.

Wait, doesn't your tracker crumb test fall apart by mentioning point 2?
If he's scum and spotted the breadcrumb, isn't this gonna tip him off that it was a test?

Did not think that through.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Garmr
Seems to be active but doesn't appear to be trying to scumhunt.

extra effort is not an obligation day 1.

If it was later, sure, but idk how I feel about this reasoning at this point in time.

Hmm, Garmr's sudden surge of scumhunting after Dave's post here is interesting.
Feel that's very slightly scum-indicative, but his reads seemed natural enough.

It wasn't a sudden surge of scum hunting. Most of it was done before Dave's post I just didn't vocalize it. You can see how I got those conclusion by going through my post.

Dave patting himself on the back over it is one reason I town read him. Since it seems like a genuine celebration not look how town I am kinda thing.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Tchill
let's wagon here all aboard.

[Garmr]

That being said I don't understand why gamma is a top town read.

They are Masons! *Whistles*

Looks like the jig is up! We are actually masons, surprised it took you so long to figure it out.

Oh wish you been more subtle about it.

[Garmr]

With anyone else maybe but our history kinda makes that not an option

That's chill but it kinda makes me have that elements has tmi vibe since he said masons were in it earlier.

[Garmr]

1 or 2 investigative roles (watcher and tracker would be a fun combo) maybe a protective role like doc or bg, possibly

2 or 3 masons.

[Garmr]

cliff, you keep posting and interacting. Town pretty much refuses to lynch inactives d1 so a handful of ppl can feel like they "did something" d1.

So this is.tchill telling us to lynch him.

[Garmr]

In not particular order

Town - Kop, Hectic, Eevee, Gamma, carcalillly, JJD, dave, profli
Middle - Billy, Titus, Hopkirk, roster, garmr, bob, Aaron, YAG
Scum - Cliff, Rick, Sharon, tchill
SK - Elements

are you really so if so can you kill tchill for me?

[Garmr]

Sk *

[Garmr]

In not particular order

Town - Kop, Hectic, Eevee, Gamma, carcalillly, JJD, dave, profli
Middle - Billy, Titus, Hopkirk, roster, garmr, bob, Aaron, YAG
Scum - Cliff, Rick, Sharon, tchill
SK - Elements

are you really so if so can you kill tchill for me?

We could always lynch him today

true that just announce your night kill before hand

[Garmr]

true that just announce your night kill before hand

Not a good idea IMHO. If you're going to leash the SK it's best to let him shoot from a designated pool for now. Scum may have a Doctor/RB, and it also benefits them to know if he is shooting someone so they can shoot another.

Nah I diagree with you here. If scum block sk we get information out of it. the amount of info gained outweighs the negatives.

[Garmr]

literally 3/11 needed players are voting on you, you're nowhere near being threatened, why act so hostile?

Because of Gamma’s trash reasoning. I’m not actually hostile, I’m just going aggro, more of a

“A helllllll no” kinda vibe, i love gamma. He’s just scum or have a trash reasoning.

And you get scum points because there’s zero reason you should be that confident in Gamma Town. That was a trash reasoning

they outed themselves as masons. carra*gamma fan fiction and all

[Garmr]

I can't see scum motivation in pushing against masons. Rc did that in a previous game with me and we both flipped town.

[Garmr]

I'm just going to ignore Rick when it comes to gamma.

[Garmr]

I'm just going to ignore Rick when it comes to gamma.

Why

He is completely wrong, so if you ignore that, then you’re playing incorrectly too and choosing to not read people.

Gamma is a mason I don't think his gambling. I think you are town and gammas point on you being scum is wrong.

So I'm shutting you both out.

[Garmr]

garmr's shrug off of this being T vs T seems nice

That’s the epitome of a scum play

so am I gammas partner or you admitting your wrong?

[Garmr]

Oh nice. I'm the Miller Multitasking Fruit Vendor Friendly Neighbor 2 Shot Roleblocker 3 Shot Doctor IC Jailkeeper

pff that can't be true because I'm a voyeur neighbour 5 shot doctor fruit eating porn star.

[Garmr]

I'm tired of this day it's stalled.

VOTE: Elements

[Garmr]

okay i'm going back to not caring again unless we lynch hopkirk or elements

Not caring about the game, not a towny thing to do.

I'm going to stop you right there. I have stopped caring about certain games as town before. You may say it's not pro town or the reason he doesn't care is scummy. It's Nai as you can't control if you care or not.

[Garmr]

Just re-read tchill. Aside from pushing the inactive slot of Skellen and YouAreGreat, there's really nothing there. Identifies who he thinks are strong town players but just to say he won't want to Lynch them early. There's not alot in this iso
He also seems to be getting away with being pretty inactive. I don't have much this game, but this seems to be a good place for a wagon.

VOTE: Tchill

I'll jump on tchill if the wagon =s elements since it's my preferred wagon I'm just bored of today.

[Garmr]

Fuck it I'm jumping back on tchill if we get a extension.

VOTE: Tchill

[Garmr]

Gamma mailed me last night and my answer is Yes.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Tchill

[Garmr]

Also I'm just going to out my power role since it doesn't seem that useful. I'm a voyeur and the doctor visited the wrong mason last night.

[Garmr]

no other roles were on carralily.

[Garmr]

besides me and doc.

[Garmr]

Had the masons claimed already?

Yes

[Garmr]

Gamma mailed me last night and my answer is Yes.

I was going to ask you to say the whole message, since Gamma was dead, but hopefully he put enough in the PT that this will make sense to Lilly.

Nah I'm keeping it between me and carralily.

[Garmr]

Garmr why claim? I get the feeling we're both town but this seems odd.

Are you scum this game because you never got me right before? (This is a joke)

[Garmr]

PRs outing results unprompted, in particular revealing what roles are in the game (!!) is another head scratcher. Can voyeurs be scum?

Can we lynch Dave for this post. Dave scum have day chat do you think I would out the doctor if I was a scum pr.

[Garmr]

PRs outing results unprompted, in particular revealing what roles are in the game (!!) is another head scratcher. Can voyeurs be scum?

Can be but if Garmr was scum, he'd probably share it in his PT.

This just seems to be one of those dumb things Garmr does.

Titus beat me to it and I think she's starting to know me well.

[Garmr]

PRs outing results unprompted, in particular revealing what roles are in the game (!!) is another head scratcher. Can voyeurs be scum?

Can we lynch Dave for this post. Dave scum have day chat do you think I would out the doctor if I was a scum pr.

But why would you do it as a town PR? There was no reason for you to out that info.

Why wouldn't I? I have my reasons if you can't think outside the box then you that's on you.

[Garmr]

Why aren't you upset at me calling you dumb?

Because I imagine you saying it in your real voice.

[Garmr]

Why aren't you upset at me calling you dumb?

Because I imagine you saying it in your real voice.

What do you imagine my real voice as?

The one in skype mafia were you call you yourself the god mother

[Garmr]

This is town bob after experiencing both scum bob doesn't feel like this.

[Garmr]

PRs outing results unprompted, in particular revealing what roles are in the game (!!) is another head scratcher. Can voyeurs be scum?

Can we lynch Dave for this post. Dave scum have day chat do you think I would out the doctor if I was a scum pr.

No, you can't. I'm acting in my inexperienced challenged role here. It was a seriously dumb thing to do, perhaps too dumb.
Scum might say such a thing publicly in order to try to gain town cred, and in order to try to fish the doc by getting the doc to defend them.

Yeah I'm going to ignore you now. I get a quick bit of disdain and then moving on as a town reaction. But dwelling on it while painting it as scummy is possible from scum as they want to cast doubt on a town power role.

[Garmr]

You gone from town to null.

[Garmr]

Also it should be obvious I am the role. It explains my reaction to elements when he mentioned water and a possible tracker pair with masons. I thought he was scum fishing for me or the watcher role. Which is why I was trying to work it out. I wouldn't normally say something but after last game people can be braindead around roles and leap to illogical conclusions cough profii.

[Garmr]

PRs outing results unprompted, in particular revealing what roles are in the game (!!) is another head scratcher. Can voyeurs be scum?

Can we lynch Dave for this post. Dave scum have day chat do you think I would out the doctor if I was a scum pr.

No, you can't. I'm acting in my inexperienced challenged role here. It was a seriously dumb thing to do, perhaps too dumb.
Scum might say such a thing publicly in order to try to gain town cred, and in order to try to fish the doc by getting the doc to defend them.

Actually these are reasons one may do it as scum but you failed to apply them to the game. Like you Said I'm being town read by nearly everyone why would I need town cred at this point. Also saying there's a doc outload won't get the doc to protect me there's A masons in the game and she is more valuable than me.

[Garmr]

Surgery went fine. Docs recommend no attention to detail for 24 hours. Excuse sloppiness. Obviously no VCA until Friday minimum.

X-post all games.

I'm glad it went fine rest up.

[Garmr]

Garmr, have we been scum together? Like years ago? Was that you in that Fire Emblem Heroes game? I’m Flavor Leaf/Boonskiies.

Oh your boon lol was trying to figure out who you were. I can't remember being scum together maybe we have.

[Garmr]

Wow, the mod was online on another site while we were waiting for the Elements flip. I feel very betrayed and think modkilling a scum is the only way to make it up to us. Don't make me reveal which site lil!

VOTE: aaron

I'm doing this or tchill today.

One day a policy lynch will hit scum. Can I insult Elements playstyle if by some weird coincidence I see him around?

Sorry to hear about your terminal illness carcalilly. Kind of offended.

-kork

It should have. Shame we had to policy lynch.

VOTE: tchill

Not really a fan of these posts from Hopkirk here. Trying to justify the Elements lynch by using the phrase "policy lynch" feels like a strange narrative to push.

VOTE: Hopkirk

I am a fan of both tchill and Hopkirk.

VOTE: HopKirk

[Garmr]

by fan I mean of their wagons.

[Garmr]

I just realized something.

@Garmr

this is really important.

I was your target, correct?

Yeah you were my target.

[Garmr]

And if you took a BP, Garmr could be doing the doctor cover thing but I think a doc claimed but I am high sooo

I'd suggest we ignore it and scum hunt for now

Agree with this.

[Garmr]

I just realized something.

@Garmr

this is really important.

I was your target, correct?

Yeah you were my target.

Your action should have failed.

I lied about the doc so you wouldn't get night killed but I didn't get a fail through I got no result implying that the action went through and no one was there.

[Garmr]

Wait, if we know Garmr lied about his target, what was going on there? And if he lied about his target why aren't people voting him? I feel like 90 percent of this game is like 3 miles over my head.

VOTE: Garmr

Pedit: shit Garmr lying about a PR this feels familiar.

VOTE: tchill

I didn't lie about my target I lied about my result but

carralilly acted daft

and didn't realise I was trying to protect her by creating a imaginary doctor for scum to hunt after......

Also the fact the mod said

no result

instead of

action failed

made believe my action was a success.

[Garmr]

Also carra should of claimed ascetic because she wasted my ability.

[Garmr]

Wait, if we know Garmr lied about his target, what was going on there? And if he lied about his target why aren't people voting him? I feel like 90 percent of this game is like 3 miles over my head.

VOTE: Garmr

Pedit: shit Garmr lying about a PR this feels familiar.

VOTE: tchill

I didn't lie about my target I lied about my result but

carralilly acted daft

and didn't realise I was trying to protect her by creating a imaginary doctor for scum to hunt after......

Also the fact the mod said

no result

instead of

action failed

made believe my action was a success.

Psure no result means the role was stopped someway. "Nothing targeted" would be the correct format for a null inspect right?

Would that mean a roleblocker targeted me then?

[Garmr]

Yes, because Scum would claim Voyeur of all the roles on the wiki. COME ON!

Scum!Garmr claimed voyeur because it uses the exactly the information that they had. When Gamma turned up dead, it would be easy to assume that the doc was on Carca. But they don't know who the doc is. Partly it's the timing of the claim for me. I don't think town!Garmr would have claimed. How likely is it that town has a watcher and a voyeur?

Did you hit your head or something.

[Garmr]

garmr, how much did you actually think about this gimmick before you did it?

Obviously not enough since I thought no result means no one visited (someone should fix this on sight.) So I thought there would be no doctor in the game to claim. I didn't think you were ascetic.

[Garmr]

Can we have "you are great back" over texcat.

[Garmr]

@Garmr: It is STANDARD. You're just not familiar with it. Watcher gets "You saw Nothing" or "Nobody visited your target" id SUCCESSFUL vs "No Result" if it failed. Cop gets Guilty/Not Guilty/No Result. In any case No Result means your action failed.

I want to change the standard to action failed.

[Garmr]

Can we have "you are great back" over texcat.

Is this because you think texcat is playing badly or do you just want them off your ass?

No it's after last game I played with them. It's one of the ones me and gamma were talking about before when me and rc lynched claimed masons.

I think I was in that one and I pushed them too, but that was because the claim was totally wack

After that we nailed one scum but me and texcat got caught up on each other. we had like 1 mislynch left and then derp the worst came in and tex cat convinced the worst to vote me. Then after my death they sheeped me on the tex cat thing and not my other two scum reads (which were the remaining scum) and the game was lost. She was on my ass for stupid shit the whole game.

Her referring to me reminded me of that game and makes me want to just kill the slot to save me the headache. I don't care if it's town or scum.

[Garmr]

How to win mafia scum.
Lynch texcat

Did she flip scum

if yes congrats you lynched scum.


If no lynch lynch her town reads you'll have lynched scum congrats you won.


VOTE: Texcat

[Garmr]

Just asking what do you guys think Texcat Scum or Brain dead town. Pretty much your only options here.

[Garmr]

UNVOTE: Texcat

[Garmr]

VC 1.8

Elements - (11):

Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton, Sharon Tate, AaronFrost, Tchill13, EeveeLution Army, bob4131, Carcalilly, Judge Joseph Dread, profii, Elements

Cliff Booth (3):

Hectic, gobbledygook, Titus

Tchill13 - (3):

Billy Pilgrim, Garmr, Gamma Emerald

AaronFrost (2):

Kop, Hopkirk

Billy Pilgrim - (1):

YouAreGreat

Not Voting:

davesaz

With 21 alive, it takes 11 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-09-20 07:28:35)

Hopkirk (1) - Aaron 2214
Bob (2) Profii 2054 , Alonzo 2067
Tchil (5) gobble 2028 , Hopkirk 2035 , Cliff 2093 , Billy 2264 , Titus 2355
Texcat (1) Garmr 2329
Cliff (1) Tchill 2151
Garmr (1) tex 2285


No vote - carc , Dave, eve, judge, kop, rick 2136

I'm noticed a split in voters. The only one on the mislynch and the tchill wagon is Cliff but I had the impression they are town for a while. Also Tchill wagon has been a steady growth instead of a insti wagon so.

VOTE: Tchill

[Garmr]

Vanilla cop is certainly what I thought Cliff was hinting at. Cliff, are you now claiming something else?

I never claimed anything. And this post gives me the heebie jeebies

Yeah I'm going to put this in my notes as Cliff and Tex are never scum together.

[Garmr]

@Rick Dalton

Do you not think that a neapolitan basically has negative town utility in a role madness game? Specifically in a game that no one knows is role madness?

I had a game where the majority of the town were informed and the neo was there to hunt out the few vanilla townies as scum were informed as well.

[Garmr]

The only good thing about everyone declaring their role is we can figur eout who's town in all this through mechanic analysis.

[Garmr]

Wow that eevee wagon came out of no where.

[Garmr]

VC 2.2

Tchill13 - (7):

- gobbledygook, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr Billy Pilgrim

EeveeLution Army - (4):

- Judge Joseph Dread, Rick Dalton,, , AaronFrost,Texcat

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Rick Dalton - (1):

- Carcalilly

AaronFrost - (1):

-bob4131

Not Voting:

Kop, Hectic, EeveeLution Army

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

Updated vote count.

So a tldr version of reads

not including masons

I can go into more detail if wanted.
Rick Dalton-town because scum wouldn't argue against the mason claim also I liked them so far.

Titus- Gut and experience with her.

Bob- With experience with both games this is more in line with his town game as he seems more cautious and less involved in his scum unless someone drags him in.

Judge Dread-Actively trying to solve the game, been town reading them for a while.

Cliff- This dwells on the fact if it's multiscum or not due to wagon speed.

Scum

Profii- He contrast the last game I played with him. None of his opinions are to out there his not trying to drive the game and spreading paranoia that will cost town the game.

Hopkirk- Reasons I stated before.

Tchill- His lack of involvement and how his wagon formed.

The rest are nullish.

Will comment on eevee through. They haven't really done much of anything but setup spec isn't a scummy thing to do unless it's information town doesn't have.

[Garmr]

Also would like to bring up something Elements pretty much guessed the other town roles (somewhat close with the tracker instead I'm a voyeur) from his role alone mad respect there.

[Garmr]

Btw if it is multi scum my advice to the scum team is to try and hit the other scum team that way you can +1 yourself then you can focus on town, that way you can win mylo with out convincing town to lynch the other scum. So like don't shoot the town power roles until your in the better position. It helps your team and it helps us town.

[Garmr]

My somewhat role counters tchill I claimed ages before and tchill has had plenty of time to counterclaim or vote me as a scum read. This seems like a last minute scum gambit.

[Garmr]

Apologies. Busy until Friday, but I will catchup then for 100% sure.
In the meantime, I'll read up on the history of the Mongolian and Byazantine Empires. This will make sense later.

Nah ditch those two and write about the mighty Vandals and their leader Genseric.

[Garmr]

Dumb question if Tchill is a town tracker, wouldn't he say so or hint the watcher claim might not be true? I'm a bit sick so please excuse if answered.

I find this quite odd.

Tchill just claimed tracker and your first response is to indirectly push him.

It would be unwise to concider to lynch tchill now that he has claimed tracker.

Are you blind or did you miss the fact my role counters him. Also Titus is right in a way there should of been some sort of reaction to the watcher claim(doesn't have to be the exact one she listed.). Did you see my reaction if scum were smart they would of seen I was struggling internally because I had information a vanilla shouldn't of.

[Garmr]

VC 2.2

Tchill13 - (7):

- gobbledygook, Hopkirk, Cliff Booth, Titus, Hectic, Garmr Billy Pilgrim

EeveeLution Army - (4):

- Judge Joseph Dread, Rick Dalton,, , AaronFrost,Texcat

bob4131 - (2):

- profii, Alonzo

Rick Dalton - (1):

- Carcalilly

AaronFrost - (1):

-bob4131

Not Voting:

Kop, Hectic, EeveeLution Army

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

Updated vote count.

So a tldr version of reads

not including masons

I can go into more detail if wanted.
Rick Dalton-town because scum wouldn't argue against the mason claim also I liked them so far.

Titus- Gut and experience with her.

Bob- With experience with both games this is more in line with his town game as he seems more cautious and less involved in his scum unless someone drags him in.

Judge Dread-Actively trying to solve the game, been town reading them for a while.

Cliff- This dwells on the fact if it's multiscum or not due to wagon speed.

Scum

Profii- He contrast the last game I played with him. None of his opinions are to out there his not trying to drive the game and spreading paranoia that will cost town the game.

Hopkirk- Reasons I stated before.

Tchill- His lack of involvement and how his wagon formed.

The rest are nullish.

Will comment on eevee through. They haven't really done much of anything but setup spec isn't a scummy thing to do unless it's information town doesn't have.

how tf is a wagon formation scummy on my part?

ppl are giving up because yall have vomit posted useless info and y

oure talking yourself into an inactive lynch

because yall dont know what to do.

T chill slipped up here. If he thought I was scum why would he use my post to demonstrate a townie talking himself into lynching a inactive slot.

[Garmr]

Scum doesn't talk themselves into lynches.

[Garmr]

If no one directly cc's that they are also a tracker, I believe tchills claim but if there is another tracker they should definitely say

Profii confirms tchill being scum here going by his track record of last game.

[Garmr]

If no one directly cc's that they are also a tracker, I believe tchills claim but if there is another tracker they should definitely say

Profii confirms tchill being scum here going by his track record of last game.

can you just stop this and behave...

ok will do lol

[Garmr]

But it feels like another kreag profii.

[Garmr]

But it feels like another kreag profii.

then you've not read what i said as I put something totally different.

No I'm saying Tchill feels like Kreag. The situation scum claims a role town back off barbecue they have no balls.

[Garmr]

So we now have 2 inspection role claims.

But garmr said he was just trying to wifom the scum / mason situation right?

I'm less inclined to believe that claim

My thoughts exactly, although my information on the mailman interaction is somewhat minimal. Garmr, what did gamma actually ask you? ^^;

"Gamma here, if you have any investigative abilities drop a line in your first post D2, I'm interested in changing the game."

I thought hey gammas dead lets carry on his wish and change the game.

[Garmr]

Also is this a viable set up

2 Masons

Watcher,Tracker,Voyeur

No protection for town.

[Garmr]

PRs outing results unprompted, in particular revealing what roles are in the game (!!) is another head scratcher. Can voyeurs be scum?

Can we lynch Dave for this post. Dave scum have day chat do you think I would out the doctor if I was a scum pr.

No, you can't. I'm acting in my inexperienced challenged role here. It was a seriously dumb thing to do, perhaps too dumb.
Scum might say such a thing publicly in order to try to gain town cred, and in order to try to fish the doc by getting the doc to defend them.

Actually these are reasons one may do it as scum but you failed to apply them to the game. Like you Said I'm being town read by nearly everyone why would I need town cred at this point. Also saying there's a doc outload won't get the doc to protect me there's A masons in the game and she is more valuable than me.

If the gimmick of the game is to have lots of similar roles then having all 3 (watcher, tracker, voyeur) isn't a counter at all.
If the gimmick of the game is to have one of those be scum, I believe the claim under duress a whole lot more than I believe the unnecessary early claim with result.

I don't think daves reads are actually coming from reading players but situations.

Like I was being town read when I claimed for no reason but I did so to try and fake a protective to keep the mason alive.

Tchill been hiding all game doing nothing and claimed under duress it's actually the only claim that would save his life. Tchill also had a failure to react to both my voyeur and elements watcher claim making his claim less believable. If he thought either role was town or scum then you would expect some kind of reaction from town tchill but nope his going to let it go through with out much involvement from him. If his town you'd think he'd start pushing the wagon harder or resisting it depending on his views.


That aside I noticed you called tchill not town motivated ect. Tchills not really done anything town motivated all game yet you would jump to believe his claim? Doesn't your read factor in on him. Why rule out scum trying to save themselves?

[Garmr]

@Dave
Also I'm going to ask a couple of questions.

Has anyone noted your lack of ability to apply what's actually happening in game to your points?
Did you know about about it and are you trying to change it?
Is it a problem you always had looking back or are trying out broad generalisations as a scum tool?

[Garmr]

Also is this a viable set up

2 Masons

Watcher,Tracker,Voyeur

No protection for town.

Dalton claimed doctor lol

Oh he was serious about that? I skimmed it and thought he was joking.

[Garmr]

Guys.. I'm the Vig. I am also the Doctor. And aside from being a Cop, Jailer and Tracker I am also a Fruit Vendor. (Did I miss anything??)

I legit am doctor

Never mind I guess we have a doc claim as well.

[Garmr]

Yeah A doc,watcher,voyeur 2 masons one with a drawback and the other with a message modifier sounds pretty decent. But does a tracker fit in there?

[Garmr]

well I am informed that a tracker is in this game, so seeing as you are not going to read my posts I'll just repeat it

If someone else is a tracker, they really should counter tchill.

Does it say alignment?

[Garmr]

meh might as well full disclose as I can't really answer that... I am the backup tracker, so to be fair, i could exist without a tracker existing but that seems stupid. I am obviously town but I dont know if backups have to be the same alignment as the actual dude

UNVOTE: T-chill

I will trust you on this one.

[Garmr]

hey Cliff Booth, what do you know?

I believe you. And I think we give him a chance to prove himself. I would be on bob but I can't be for

reasons

.

I also don't see why garmr would be putting himself out there like this if he were scum but I think a lot of his posts are bad

Hello pot this is kettle.

[Garmr]

hey Cliff Booth, what do you know?

I believe you. And I think we give him a chance to prove himself. I would be on bob but I can't be for

reasons

.

I also don't see why garmr would be putting himself out there like this if he were scum but I think a lot of his posts are bad

Hello pot this is kettle.

we are one in the same. I like you

Shame none of my plans worked this game. If carlilly didn't claim the ascetic (or I realised I failed results) and rick didn't claim doc I could of been eating a bullet tonight.

Also I think this is probably the only game in a while where my post have actually deserved to be called bad. Like in previous games when people go garmr posts are bad I been right (or mostly right) and people just don't have the ability to understand my out of the box thinking. But this game I took a blow to my confidence. Like half my scum list is most likely town after profis post. Which means at least one of my town reads is scum.


The Hopkirk and the unmentioned scum read which people could probably guess I'm still somewhat confident in.

[Garmr]

meh might as well full disclose as I can't really answer that... I am the backup tracker, so to be fair, i could exist without a tracker existing but that seems stupid. I am obviously town but I dont know if backups have to be the same alignment as the actual dude

UNVOTE: T-chill

I will trust you on this one.

so are we saying a role and it's backup must be aligned ? Because if that isn't true, Tchill can be scum here

Also - i just looked back and tchill hasnt said what he did on N1, so before we let him off the hook, we should get him to say what he chose to do as this may inform us better i think

Oh they can be opposite alignment I didn't think of that. Still it at the very least means I was wrong on one of you.

[Garmr]

meh might as well full disclose as I can't really answer that... I am the backup tracker, so to be fair, i could exist without a tracker existing but that seems stupid. I am obviously town but I dont know if backups have to be the same alignment as the actual dude

UNVOTE: T-chill

I will trust you on this one.

so are we saying a role and it's backup must be aligned ? Because if that isn't true, Tchill can be scum here

Also - i just looked back and tchill hasnt said what he did on N1, so before we let him off the hook, we should get him to say what he chose to do as this may inform us better i think

Oh they can be opposite alignment I didn't think of that. Still it at the very least means I was wrong on one of you.

you asked and i said i dont know, you literally did think of it.

christ

You said you were informed not back up both are different roles.


Christ

[Garmr]

@Dave
Also I'm going to ask a couple of questions.

Has anyone noted your lack of ability to apply what's actually happening in game to your points?
Did you know about about it and are you trying to change it?
Is it a problem you always had looking back or are trying out broad generalisations as a scum tool?

I'm saying everything I say for a reason. I scum read you full stop.
VOTE: Garmr

Yeah being scum is a reason.

[Garmr]

lets play a game who's actually town on my wagon.

[Garmr]

town
Tchill because of claim and profii.


Probs scum
Daves-Basically a pseudo intellectual. Get past the sophistication you get broad and hollow generalisations. When called out on this he flips his shit and lays a vote down. I was scum reading him before probably easy to see but held back saying it for the reaction.

Alonzo- Mos likely scum. No content jumps on both me and tchill.


Probs town through elimnation.
Texcat- I don't think the entire scum team on me and this is the quality play I expect from texcat.

[Garmr]

I find it surprising that no one has bothered to look at my reactions to elements or even looked for my crumb.

Oh nice. I'm the Miller Multitasking Fruit Vendor Friendly Neighbor 2 Shot Roleblocker 3 Shot Doctor IC Jailkeeper

pff that can't be true

because I'm a voyeur

neighbour 5 shot doctor fruit eating porn star.

[Garmr]

Btw

VOTE: Dav

Probably the most informational scum lynch.


@Bob
Going to be honest not at all I would of thought he was more likely scum.

[Garmr]

Also I was originally going to test gamma with the power role drop because voyeur is a type of watching role. But I realised bob was in the game and that could fuck up the results. So I told Gamma about what I was trying to do to test him because scum would probably think I'm a Vt if I did making use of my initial plan in a different way. 4d chess

[Garmr]

I am ok with a policy lynch on Garmr but I'd be very shocked if he flips scum. Garmr tends to be off the wall ridiculous as town.

This post hurts me on the inside. But while my playstyle may be off the wall. My scum hunting isn't that bad so will you continue looking into Davesaz for me if I get lynched?

[Garmr]

why would it mess up your result?

Well if I die Then how would town know which one of you was the scum once they pieced together the pieces it could end in a mislynch.

[Garmr]

Sharon is the most likely scum there they been on every town power role wagon. (I'm including myself and tchill after profiis claim.)

[Garmr]

Btw I'll say it again Bob is town this game.

[Garmr]

If i live I can get dave wagon tomorrow.

VOTE: Alonzo

[Garmr]

Elements - (11):

Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton,

Sharon Tate

, AaronFrost, x, EeveeLution Army,

bob4131, x, Judge Joseph Dread, x, Elements

Kinda what I'm seeing now reads included.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Garmr

That was a fast hop on. Why?

I started the day with a vote on Garmr (2285), just going back to it. I think his recent posts have solidified my view of him as scum.

So you don't believe I targeted the masons?

[Garmr]

aka carlilly

[Garmr]

VOTE: Garmr

That was a fast hop on. Why?

I started the day with a vote on Garmr (2285), just going back to it. I think his recent posts have solidified my view of him as scum.

So you don't believe I targeted the masons?

No, I don't believe you're a voyeur.

Why?

[Garmr]

Ooh, let's see something, let's have tchill track Garmr. That may confirm them.

We could have the scummier one claim their result first.

I don't know if your town again but I can see player who don't know you jumping on this.

[Garmr]

players*

[Garmr]

I am ok with a policy lynch on Garmr but I'd be very shocked if he flips scum. Garmr tends to be off the wall ridiculous as town.

ew calling it a PL.

good to know garmrs town play is ridiculous.

You played with me before.....

[Garmr]

I am ok with a policy lynch on Garmr but I'd be very shocked if he flips scum. Garmr tends to be off the wall ridiculous as town.

ew calling it a PL.

good to know garmrs town play is ridiculous.

You played with me before.....

cant remember everybody i've ever played with sorry.

I remember clashing with you there and the only impression can't remember what with but we were both town.

[Garmr]

I would enjoy a garmr lynch

But I dont think he is smart enough to do those wacky claims as scum

Can you rephrase that to too cautious as scum.

[Garmr]

I would enjoy a garmr lynch

But I dont think he is smart enough to do those wacky claims as scum

Can you rephrase that to too cautious as scum.

Because I probably have a slightly above average scum game just my town game needs a little work in convincing people. Also while you say to stupid 2 games ago I literally worked out the entire scum team, their night actions, the reasons behind their night actions ect and no one listened to me which broke me that game still won through. (Bob can attest to this despite disagreeing to how I got there)

So what I like to gambit every once and a while as town sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't. One time it worked I got scum to kill a scum read of mine (bob was my mason partner) another time I claimed weak hider day 1 (which i was) and literally out thought scum with my hides.

Stupid would be being the masons (the only power roles in a small game) and seeing a scum claim roleblocker and being like they are town.

[Garmr]

Sorry I will behave again.

[Garmr]

Lol

[Garmr]

#PrayForGarmr

If you want you can sponsor a garmr today for the low price of $10 dollars a month. Every cent counts.

[Garmr]

@Garmr:

can you walk me through the case against Dave because I'm not really seeing it.

Sorry got side tracked I will do a tldr because people don't listen to me when I write paragraphs explaining the details. If you want me to expand on specific bits I can.

Points to do with me

1.A Tried to claim he was the one getting me posting. which read like look at me I'm doing something townie.1079

2. this continues on from 1 a bit but

4.I town read Elements

now I don't want to go into it because it involves set up speculation

.

he mentions my post and indicates his been reading them but when I claim vouyer he acts like there's nothing there and throws shade on it by saying are voyours in the game anymore.

3.He tip toes around calling me scum in post 2079 with out saying it out straight. The reasons he uses don't actually apply to me this game. I don't need town cred because I was being town read.

4.

Posting almost exclusively things that look town motivated
Garmr

If he had such a strong town read day 1 of me why did it change so fast when I gambled on trying to save carlily. This looks like opportunistic scum

5. Says town don't claim out of no where literally has no reason that applies to me to scum read it and we had three claim two confirmed (masons) 1 not confirmed but probably is doctor. Dave makes a special exception of me becuase he thinks he can push a easy lynch through he isn't aware I survived worse scenarios as town.

Things that don't involve me

1.He had no issues believing in Tchills claim despite Scum reading them through out the game. He doesn't second guess himself either This indicates to me he comes from a place of knowing.

2. Stayed clear of both elements and cliff booth despite scum reading cliff and putting elements in his not town motivated posting. He opened himself to lynch both but didn't make a decision despite being active.


3. Despite a lot of post he doesn't have many very solid stances. Like the closet to commitment he has is his vote on me and it's badly played with little to no pushes at all. If he was hunting you think he would commit to one thing and actually push.

[Garmr]

I might be slightly confused.
Read through Garmr's ISO can't actually see where/what he claimed.
Is he claiming a normal watcher?

Those who showed resistance to the Mongol Horde would be methodically massacred, with only persons of invaluable skills or crafts being shown the mercy of enslavement.

Voyeur.

[Garmr]

pff that can't be true

because I'm a voyeur

neighbour 5 shot doctor fruit eating porn star.

4.I town read Elements now

I don't want to go into it because it involves set up speculation

.

Also I was originally going to test gamma with the power role drop because voyeur is a type of watching role. But I realised bob was in the game and that could fuck up the results. So I told Gamma about what I was trying to do to test him because scum would probably think I'm a Vt if I did making use of my initial plan in a different way. 4d chess

Here some for quick reference hectic.

[Garmr]

pff that can't be true

because I'm a voyeur

neighbour 5 shot doctor fruit eating porn star.

4.I town read Elements now

I don't want to go into it because it involves set up speculation

.

Also I was originally going to test gamma with the power role drop because voyeur is a type of watching role. But I realised bob was in the game and that could fuck up the results. So I told Gamma about what I was trying to do to test him because scum would probably think I'm a Vt if I did making use of my initial plan in a different way. 4d chess

Here some for quick reference hectic.

So did you actually townread Elements since you're a voyeur or was that just a crumb?
Isn't it a certainty that there's gonna be some other investigative in the game?

WikiWikiWeb is the world's oldest wiki. At the respectable age of 24, it boasts gallons of discussion regarding software design patterns. Highly recommended.

Both kinda then I reliased he could be a ninja or something and I got paranoid.

[Garmr]

Why have 5 PRs claimed by day 2?
I may reading the wrong wiki, but that doesn't seem like optimal play. Why did you claim, Garmr?
What do you mean by you were paranoid he was a ninja?
Why does you being a voyeur make Elements' claim any more believable to you? Every Large game is gonna have investigatives, so your voyeur shouldn't change your perception on whether Elements was fakeclaiming or not.

Tchill's done this thing again where's he said something along the lines of "give me a bit/second" and then come back with a PR claim. Did this in a previous game with me where he was scum. Though, overall, he feels different enough this game, he effort posted a lot more in that game, especially towards the end. He hasn't done much here.

Element is dead he flipped watcher his town.

I got paranoid when it looked like he was fishing for roles thinking he may be a ninja (or someone on his team) trying to fish me out but decided that Tchill was the better lynch after Elements claimed and I refrained from commenting on it because I didn't want to out myself.

@Tchill
Just read back at your reaction. What were you thinking being so certain elements was lying you said you were tracker right. Didn't you think jeez ,my role synergizes with his he could be town or did the fishing put you off a bit like me.

[Garmr]

Don't think you're understanding my question. Every game with 20+ players is going to have investigatives like a watcher/tracker/cop.
So you being a voyeur isn't useful for knowing there are investigatives in this game, since that's a given anyway.
So why was the fact you're a voyeur make Elements' claim more believable?

3D Monster Maze was the first 3D game ever made. To this day, the graphics and gameplay still hold up to the likes of Pacman, and is a cult classic among millions of people to this day.

it' synargizes with watcher. If we watch the same target we can get the actions and who was on their meaning scum probably have a role that easily identifys them with this combo.

[Garmr]

Don't really get what you mean about the Ninja part honestly. You were afraid you wouldn't be able to see him investigate people because he was a ninja? So your role would be useless for verifying him? What gave you that impression?

Don't get me wrong, you're a great guy, Garmr, but I'm struggling to understand your thought process here.

It's fine many don't, what do you think oh my case on dave?

[Garmr]

@Garmr:

can you walk me through the case against Dave because I'm not really seeing it.

Sorry got side tracked I will do a tldr because people don't listen to me when I write paragraphs explaining the details. If you want me to expand on specific bits I can.

Points to do with me

1.A Tried to claim he was the one getting me posting. which read like look at me I'm doing something townie.1079

2. this continues on from 1 a bit but

4.I town read Elements

now I don't want to go into it because it involves set up speculation

.

he mentions my post and indicates his been reading them but when I claim vouyer he acts like there's nothing there and throws shade on it by saying are voyours in the game anymore.

3.He tip toes around calling me scum in post 2079 with out saying it out straight. The reasons he uses don't actually apply to me this game. I don't need town cred because I was being town read.

4.

Posting almost exclusively things that look town motivated
Garmr

If he had such a strong town read day 1 of me why did it change so fast when I gambled on trying to save carlily. This looks like opportunistic scum

5. Says town don't claim out of no where literally has no reason that applies to me to scum read it and we had three claim two confirmed (masons) 1 not confirmed but probably is doctor. Dave makes a special exception of me becuase he thinks he can push a easy lynch through he isn't aware I survived worse scenarios as town.

Things that don't involve me

1.He had no issues believing in Tchills claim despite Scum reading them through out the game. He doesn't second guess himself either This indicates to me he comes from a place of knowing.

2. Stayed clear of both elements and cliff booth despite scum reading cliff and putting elements in his not town motivated posting. He opened himself to lynch both but didn't make a decision despite being active.


3. Despite a lot of post he doesn't have many very solid stances. Like the closet to commitment he has is his vote on me and it's badly played with little to no pushes at all. If he was hunting you think he would commit to one thing and actually push.

This post is free for other to acknowledge as well. Tell me if you agree and what with or disagree and why you disagree?

[Garmr]

Your voyeur claim is fake. I don't believe that anyone can be that bad a player to use the role in that way. That's not what you do. Saying it was to "protect" carcalilly by making scum think there is a doctor doesn't hold water. You backtracked when you found out that what you claimed was impossible, and nobody seems to care that the thing you backtracked from was blatantly

not what that role should do

.

As much as I'd love for this to be true, I think this is town!Garmr. From what I can gather looking at his meta, town!Garmr does stupid shit like this all the time.

Not all the time about 35% of the time I will try to something to spice the game up. if I did it all the time people would be easily able to point out my scum game.

[Garmr]

I'm starting to not feel anxious about Titus but I don't know why.

[Garmr]

I'm starting to feel anxious about Titus but I don't know why.

Fixed *

[Garmr]

This is neat, Dave which side you taking?

His planning to camp on me.

[Garmr]

This is neat, Dave which side you taking?

His planning to camp on me.

[Garmr]

Whatever you morons just hammer already.
you deserve a better pedigree of player' anyhow, I will have to look in a different game

Fixed

[Garmr]

Whatever you morons just hammer already.
you deserve a better pedigree of player' anyhow, I will have to look in a different game

Fixed

How is this beneficial to town?

How is you acting like a little bitch Beneficial to town

[Garmr]

@Davidsa

Just curious why your so intent on scum reading me. you called my play town orientated before.

You threw out a ton of generic reasonings that don't apply to me then sheeped texs really bad situational one which would require me to give up myself when being town read, knowing doctor was in the game and having a doctor dumb enough to claim, while alerting town to protection in the game which could lead to a tilt if a cop role claimed.

Then you went into how this was done sub optimal for town from your perspective. This ignores the fact it's suboptimal for scum as well,that if carallily keeped her mouth shut it would of worked, people say a town me would do this and I think it would of been a good idea if it was another player more familiar with me.

You don't acknowledge it to keep your vote on me with out adressing things why?

[Garmr]

@Davidsa

Just curious why your so intent on scum reading me. you called my play town orientated before.

You threw out a ton of generic reasonings that don't apply to me then sheeped texs really bad situational one which would require me to give up myself when being town read, knowing doctor was in the game and having a doctor dumb enough to claim, while alerting town to protection in the game which could lead to a tilt if a cop role claimed.

Then you went into how this was done sub optimal for town from your perspective. This ignores the fact it's suboptimal for scum as well,that if carallily keeped her mouth shut it would of worked, people say a town me would do this and I think it would of been a good idea if it was another player more familiar with me.

You don't acknowledge it to keep your vote on me with out adressing things why?

My read is 100% based on your claim. Nothing else matters.

It's not suboptimal for scum. A scum team who knows your <gee how do I say this> reputation for doing silly stuff, could exploit that fact to try to get a role to out itself. It worked too, not in the expected way but it's hard to argue with results.

You shouldn't be worried about this TBH. I'm gonna keep yelling at the town who refuse to see it, and then you'll win in lylo.

So your acknowledging I would do this as town and my entire play other than this is town in your eyes.

But then you use it as the entire reason to scum read me?

Btw it is worry on the off chance your town you'll be the reason the game would be thrown for town in mylo unless I can lynch you before then or I get night killed. If your scum then it obvious you should be lynched anyway.

[Garmr]

Whatever you morons just hammer already.
you deserve a better pedigree of player' anyhow, I will have to look in a different game

Fixed

How is this beneficial to town?

How is you acting like a little bitch Beneficial to town

That's.. not even remotely necessary.

Might not be but if he opens the door I'm fine with walking through. Probably better from me through who's sometimes guilty of it myself but has enough self awareness to notice it and reflect.

[Garmr]

The amount of inactive town is revolting.

@Hectic
@Carcalilly
@Tchill
@Garmr

Step it up tomorrow.

......

Literally has the one of the most sizeable chunks of day 2 basically revolve around me and my posts, is one of the most active day 2 posters even more than you. Doesn't post for a day gets called inactive....

Step up your own game.

[Garmr]

when mafia kill their own lol I got results but nothing happened so I'm keeping them secret.

[Garmr]

I feel refreshed and full after last night.

Killing the traitor when gobble wasn't particularly townread is interesting. So I'm gonna iso him to see if I can make sense of that.

But also, that's two nights in a row with only one kill. So either theres been a protective that's quite lucky with targets or theres only one killing faction and no vigs.

Maybe he accidentally outed a scum member somehow and they didn't realise he was traitor.

[Garmr]

VOTE: Rick Dalton

Its either this or someone's trying to frame you.

So Rick claimed Dr we have no counterclaim 2 macho roles and your asctic. I think Ricks telling the truth.

[Garmr]

the traitor certainly though eve was scum no doubt

When he said i dont have PT with eve. As in being traitor not in teh main thread

The traitor knows who the scum are, doesn't he? He shouldn't have to

think

anything.

This is daft since it's word play. It's easy to see what Bob is implying and the point of his case is the traitor knows who scum are. So why act like he doesn't know that?

[Garmr]

the traitor certainly though eve was scum no doubt

When he said i dont have PT with eve. As in being traitor not in teh main thread

The traitor knows who the scum are, doesn't he? He shouldn't have to

think

anything.

This is daft since it's word play. It's easy to see what Bob is implying and the point of his case is the traitor knows who scum are. So why act like he doesn't know that?

Perhaps it was my lack of coffee, but I didn't see what Bob was implying. But now that I've had half a cup, I think I can see what Bob was getting at. Bob thinks that Gook knew that Eevee was scum and was quick to disassociate himself from her. Is that it?

I’m debating certain things internally with EeveeLution. Will get back to you in the morning.

You share a PT with Evee???? Interesting!

No PT with Eevee

, but I see your smarm.

I thought this was funny back then.

His implying that goobly was trying to reach out to his partners. Also this makes me cautious of judge here to.

[Garmr]

See how he voted for titus then never realy did anything after that.

Makes me think he wanted to avoid lynching alonzo as he migth thought he was teh traitor. see how teh entire time he was probbing set ups rather than scum hunting

what are you talking about...? idt scum would know a traitor even exists. also ela is an easier way to shorten my name. (sidenote the "teh" procs my ocd. idk why you always type the like that)

I'm pretty sure that scum didn't know about the traitor or they surely would have caught Gook's crumb.

Agree with this they may of even thought it was multiscum.

[Garmr]

lynching me would probally give me peace

[Garmr]

but I'm town and you'd be better off lynching scum.

does tchill have results.

[Garmr]

I will claim last after everyone else.

[Garmr]

optimal claim order is
doc
tracker
me

[Garmr]

Very disappointed Tchill didn't have me as locktown last time he posted.

How about you Garmr-the-town?

yah I'm not to sure at the moment I'm readjusting my reads

[Garmr]

Just skimmed Gobble's iso. It makes me more confident that tchill is town and less confident that Garmr is.

Also that analysis about killing a non-PR claim to keep the pool the same size makes me even more skeptical of Garmr.

VOTE: Garmr

This seems like a blank statement meant to add substance where none was. Elaborate please.

[Garmr]

Rick crumbs

VOTE: Rick Dalton

Love you <3

If this town let’s them continue with that nonsense it will result in a loss.

People say this, but the majority of games I do shenanigans I end up solving.

You can ask A50/Garmr about my trololol’ing all game as an IC.

You can ask Vorkuta/Alchemist/Una about my trollloling fake claim day 3 IC into Vig.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID YOU FREELOADING BENEDICT ARNOLD

I ain't trusting you as far as I can throw you.

Eevee/judge crumbs

I’m debating certain things internally with EeveeLution. Will get back to you in the morning.

You share a PT with Evee???? Interesting!

No PT with Eevee, but I see your smarm.

Potential

Hopkirk crumbs

“Rosterfoster is like the brother I always wanted back when I was growing up. I had these guys from the Russian Mafia after me for four years. They’d have been caught in four minutes if Roster had been around”

You will always have a special place in my heart <3

Can I interest you in a Tchill wagon?

Maybe. I’d have to read the game though. I just voted the next leading wagon. I skimmed the last 2-3 pages and thought i saw Elements claim watcher. Why do you want me to wagon tchill?

Asking where to vote.

Remember everyone, the big shoots titus tonight.

How do you know a vig exists? Personally I prefer Eevee. I feel like their reaction to getting voted “oh you hammered” was fake.

Hmmm I'm not sure if eevee is scum with Gobble after going through the iso personally could of been another crumb to judge.

[Garmr]

Could the scum team be like

Judge/Hopkirk/Rick/Eevee?/ Traitor gobble?

[Garmr]

Judging by the way Dave went ham on me yesterday I started to take it from another angle what happens if scum don't want to touch me yet because It would backfire on them? I mean town are more likely to do do the stupid shit and think crazy outlandish things. Daves scum read on me was really outlandish it could come from town because of his arrogance he ignores so many factors. Scum dave probably wouldn't want to risk being in a bad place in case I flip.

[Garmr]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

The <3 heart thing where only to certain people.

[Garmr]

On Rick
1st: seems meaningless.
2nd: feels too on the nose. Definitely a traitor crumb, not convinced it's a message to Rick specifically.

Hopkirk
1st one: Relevant context is that I gave those comments about everyone.
2nd one: That sounds like Gobble is asking why I scumread Tchill which I hadn't actually said at that point.
3rd: Not sure what you're pointing to there.

Gobble doesn't vote Eevee until the Eevee wagon breaks down a bit.

Given Gobble said to Profii that he wanted to check Eevee or me, I can see him having the plan to check and defend Eevee afterwards.
@Profii: how exactly did Gobble present his picks to check and did he argue much for an Eevee check? He'd have had to either tell you that Eevee had a gun (scum) or not afterwards based on his fakeclaim.
He needs to make it look like he's against Eevee day end to do that, but doesn't consider joining the Eevee counterwagon when it starts again, moving to Alonzo instead to 'consolidate'.

-Hop

Are you saying he knew who all his partners were from the start?

Mafiascum style traitors know their partners from the start but their partners need to find them.

[Garmr]

Could the scum team be like

Judge/Hopkirk/Rick/Eevee?/ Traitor gobble?

You're saying if Judge flips town Titus doesn't? What?

What are your thoughts on the Eevee/Alonzo wagon yesterday with this scumteam in mind?

well the scum positioning on alonzo makes sense but two on eevee makes me feel like the crumb wasn't meant for eevee but judge.

Their were no potential crumbs before that post with eevee so it's possible that He was trying to communicate with judge about his neighbourhood and not actually crumb. Which would mean profii is even more confirmed town.

VOTE: Judge Dread

[Garmr]

I think the fact he was just trying to pass info about his neighbour to judge silently is more condemning than the actual potential crumbs to be honest.

[Garmr]

Why does someone think that gobble accidentally outted one of his scumbuddies?

Wouldnt the traitor be trying to steer people away from scum? If so, wasn't the kill to try and frame someone? And if so, wouldnt that mean the people that gobble was scumreading are more likely town?

Read the latest post also accidentally outing is not a controllable thing. What do you think about judge?

[Garmr]

Why does someone think that gobble accidentally outted one of his scumbuddies?

Wouldnt the traitor be trying to steer people away from scum? If so, wasn't the kill to try and frame someone? And if so, wouldnt that mean the people that gobble was scumreading are more likely town?

Read the latest post also accidentally outing is not a controllable thing. What do you think about judge?

So are you saying accidental or intentional outing?

Oh the judge was intentional information posting but it would be a accidental if any town noticed. Get my drift. But Billys seemed under the impression that gobble wouldn't accidentally reveal a scum member.

[Garmr]

There's no way a traitor is stupid enough to <3 only scumpartners unless they're doing it specifically for Wifom which is dumb in itself.

we must use caution when following crumbs.

Soem could be townies he wants to frame should he flip and other could be him trying to tell them he is scum

So wanna switch to judge then as he tried to tell judge about his neighbourhood?

[Garmr]

Hectic has been known to reference the wiki from time to time JJD is saying.

Hectic is clean because I say so. Throw in some meta and a few trust tells and it'll be fine. Welcome him to our townblock family Carca

If his using trust tells he'll get modkilled since that's against site rules.

[Garmr]

claiming masons?

[Garmr]

He also says it's confirmed a scum doctor targetted a mason,

I am guessing this was after Garmr claimed but before Carca outed she was Ascetic? Cuz it looks like an attempt to push the Doctor who was expected to claim so as to confirm Garmr.

P.S. How does that make Garmr look? I am not sure myself, as I could see it both ways.

How would it push the doctor when it was said in a pt?

If you mean push the doctor to claim it wouldn't of worked since it was in a pt and rick already claimed. If you meant to push rick through profii that could backfire on him if profii outs him.

Also doctor shouldn't claim to try and confirm me.

Also this would involve traitor and mafia knowing each others full roles?

I can see plenty of reasons for that comment
1.He was trying to earn profiis trust through getting him to lynch a team mate then he could confirm other team mates then get profii mislynched in mylo by making him confirm a guilty on a innoncent.
2.Sacrificing himself to get rid of what he thought was a doctor and getting profii lynched as well.
3.He was on drugs.

[Garmr]

Can you copy and past everything gobby said with out links. So we can work with it.