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[texcat]

Could someone give me a synopsis of the tchill case?

[texcat]

I am not a fan of Bob. He initially voted for Elements for reasons 'setup spec'ing very early' etc

He then left the wagon, but came back when the lynch actually went through and when he put his vote on he said he didn't believe the macho/one shot claim.

My concern is that if I am casing a slot for being scummy I'd be like "woah guys I'm voting elements because he was setup speccing over in this post, plus now look at this macho claim it's gotta be BS" - i.e. case the whole ISO for a scum evidence - Bob didnt mention his initial setup spec concern when he votes due to his claim concern, which makes me believe he is looking for a reason to be on the wagon rather than actual scum hunting properly.

VOTE: Bob3141

Obviously I will hear him out but I'm just going to vote there for now.

I've looked at Tchill's ISO and someone is going to have to take me through the case here, he doesn't come across super town of the players I've looked at so far but I dont think he is the most scummy either at this point unless I've missed something of course.

I was leaning toward elementis being town before his roleclaim. Due to his responses to my questions. So i am won't be voting tehre today

VOTE: Elementis

Dont beleive teh macho and one shot thing. Why even tell us?

The "I won't be voting there today" followed by a vote there caught my eye. I see Bob's explanation of not believing the role modifiers and it makes sense, and if Elements had flipped scum I would be pursuing Bob for his last minute bus, but I can't see why a scum!Bob would flip like this on a town wagon.

[texcat]

Had a chance to read through yet texcat?

LOL. I've skimmed a little bit. If there's something important I should read in Day 1, could you point it out to me?

Who is texcat? I like texcat, I’ve played with her many a times, I’ve hard caught a texcat in a game I didn’t play at all until dy 4, then I caught like 3 scum.

I like texcat.

Pocketed.

Warm and cozy in pocket, but are you sure it was you who caught me? I thought it was Cliff Booth, your stunt double, because I'm sure it was a stunt.

[texcat]

VOTE: Garmr

It feels like Carca caught him in a lie, and now he's backtracking as fast as he can. I didn't understand why he claimed in the first place, and I really don't understand why he claimed and lied about his result. It feels a lot more like scum fake claiming when they thought they had a good shot.

[texcat]

Yes, because Scum would claim Voyeur of all the roles on the wiki. COME ON!

Scum!Garmr claimed voyeur because it uses the exactly the information that they had. When Gamma turned up dead, it would be easy to assume that the doc was on Carca. But they don't know who the doc is. Partly it's the timing of the claim for me. I don't think town!Garmr would have claimed. How likely is it that town has a watcher and a voyeur?

[texcat]

How to win mafia scum.
Lynch texcat

Did she flip scum

if yes congrats you lynched scum.


If no lynch lynch her town reads you'll have lynched scum congrats you won.


VOTE: Texcat

Wait. Is this coming from the person who just claimed to have lynched claimed town masons? When you were town?

[texcat]

We should solve the game together sometime. I'm sure we're thinking along the same lines here.
Anyone mind if we start just posting from our hydra account and not signing the posts?

-Hop

I don't mind.

-Tex

[texcat]

We should solve the game together sometime. I'm sure we're thinking along the same lines here.
Anyone mind if we start just posting from our hydra account and not signing the posts?

-Hop

I don't mind either.

-Cat

[texcat]

Richard my old friend, do you know what my role is based on the post I made about my role potentially being useless this game if it's role madness

N

o,

e

ven as people only look into the atmospheric nature, do you think I would know this from the beginning?

Follow the pattern of the bold, and it shows I thought you were a Neapolitan.

I give the hint when I say the beginning.

Vanilla cop is certainly what I thought Cliff was hinting at. Cliff, are you now claiming something else?

[texcat]

Who's this? You new? I like you.

I'm YouAreGreat's sub. And Rick Dalton has already tried to pocket me; you might have to try harder than this if you want me to move over to your pocket.

[texcat]

TChill, can you tell me why you're being Wagoned? No one else has volunteered to tell me.

[texcat]

What do you think of Billy's VT claim?

I can see it as an opportunistic claim from mafia but it would put them in an extremely bad situation unless scum has a way to stop nea. If he is vt idt we should lynch him but its a tough call

this makes 0 sense.

+1

VOTE: Eevee

And Hopkirk has earned a FOS for his suggestion about lynching Billy, followed by a quick reversal.

[texcat]

I'm glad there enough players in the game that my claim doesn't narrow down prs too much for scum, but the pros have been doing a decent job of that themselves by claiming w/o needing to.

And we will eventually have to start testing some of those claims, like Garmr's, because I think scum is in that mix.

[texcat]

Painfully slow....

Looks like Tex and Aaron are straight up scumclaiming.

Either that or very selectively reading and misrepresenting.

I said I have 3 scumreads. These are the three people I'd vote for today. You're presenting me saying I'd prefer to vote for tchill (who I'm voting now) and Aaron (who I voted earlier) as saying I backtracked. I'd prefer to vote Billy over anyone except Tchill/Aaron as is absolutely clear from my words and vote history. Texcat, I'd like you to reread then substantially expand on what you thought I meant because I'm struggling to see how town could reach that conclusion legitimately.

And Hopkirk has earned a FOS for his suggestion about lynching Billy, followed by a quick reversal.

Yeah, reversal is the wrong word there. What earned you the fos was that you had Billy in your list of 3 when he's a definite town read for me because of the vt claim. When Carca asked about the VT claim, I would have expected a townie to say something like oh yeah I forgot about it; I'm taking Billy off the list. Instead you said

I don't want you to eat rope today since it's worth testing that theory, and Aaron/Tchill were bigger independent scumreads than you today. I've voted/ want to lynch Tchill/Aaron today.

And you never answered Billy's question about how exactly we were going to test that theory. You backtracked by saying that you don't want him to eat rope today, but you seem to still be open to lynching him and that seems scummy to me.

Still have that question on why you think it's beneficial to discuss your role possibly being neg util or useless.

is it not obvious?

NO.

[texcat]

lets see... texcat has done nothing. should we policy them? jk lol

i'll be more active today. not a fan of a PL push right after a ML then a nk'd mason.

I tracked this slot n1. They didnt do anything.

I can confirm that I did not do anything on N1.

[texcat]

lets see... texcat has done nothing. should we policy them? jk lol

i'll be more active today. not a fan of a PL push right after a ML then a nk'd mason.

I tracked this slot n1. They didnt do anything.

I can confirm that I did not do anything on N1.

@profii

Nice to know who's reading and who's not. TChill claims to have tracked me.

[texcat]

VOTE: Garmr

[texcat]

VOTE: Garmr

That was a fast hop on. Why?

I started the day with a vote on Garmr (2285), just going back to it. I think his recent posts have solidified my view of him as scum.

[texcat]

VOTE: Garmr

That was a fast hop on. Why?

I started the day with a vote on Garmr (2285), just going back to it. I think his recent posts have solidified my view of him as scum.

So you don't believe I targeted the masons?

No, I don't believe you're a voyeur.

[texcat]

I would enjoy a garmr lynch

But I dont think he is smart enough to do those wacky claims as scum

I don't understand this. Are you saying he is smart enough as town? The scum have an entire team to help work out fake claims. Do you not think any of them are smart enough?

[texcat]

I mean if you are town you can say what you mean and be like lol fake claim guys I'm so cRaZy

But as scum if you give a result that catches you out you're probably getting lynched and when you are on the minority team if you die the stakes are higher - taking such a risk would be dumb imo

But what was the risk, really? Who was going to catch scum!Garmr out? The doc was the only one, and that would be assuming that the doc exists and did not actually protect Carca. And generally trading a scum for the doc is not that bad a trade. Scum!Garmr just got really unlucky when Carca claimed ascetic on D2. Most might have thought that she would have at least hinted at it, if not outright claimed on D1. Plus he's still relying on the fall back position of cRaZy town, and so getting caught out seems like it was no risk at all.

[texcat]

Unofficial and probably wrong (but hey, at least it's here) VC

Alonzo - (4):

- Cliff Booth, bob4131, Garmr, Judge Joseph Dread

EeveeLution Army - (3):

- Rick Dalton, AaronFrost, gobbledygook

Garmr - (2):

- davesaz, texcat

Judge Joseph Dread - (2):

- Carcalilly, Titus

Tchill13 - (1):

- Hectic

Hopkirk - (1):

- Tchill13

gobbledygook - (1):

- Hopkirk

profii - (1):

- Alonzo

Not Voting:

Kop, EeveeLution Army, Billy Pilgrim, profii

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

[texcat]

Unofficial, corrected, and probably wrong (but hey, at least it's here) VC

Alonzo - (5):

- Cliff Booth, bob4131, Garmr, profii, Judge Joseph Dread

EeveeLution Army - (3):

- Rick Dalton, AaronFrost, gobbledygook

Garmr - (2):

- davesaz, texcat

Judge Joseph Dread - (2):

- Carcalilly, Titus

Tchill13 - (1):

- Hectic

Hopkirk - (1):

- Tchill13

gobbledygook - (1):

- Hopkirk

profii - (1):

- Alonzo

Not Voting:

Kop, EeveeLution Army, Billy Pilgrim

With 19 alive, it takes 10 to lynch.

Deadline:

(expired on 2019-10-10 05:35:11)

Why's there still an eevee wagon going on.

-Hop

Why wouldn't there be? Did Eevee do something to change their minds? I'm still willing to

hop

er, jump back on her. And I noticed while doing the VCs that she has never voted toDay.

[texcat]

What is SB, Dave?

Took me 3 reads to figure out that it is SingleBall and MultiBall.

The living embodiment of floaty and non committal, and whos vote should have been on me since I joined (and yesterday should have been all over Sharon Tate)

Huh? Rick's vote has been stuck on Eevee all day. How many different people have you voted for today? I don't get how you can be calling him noncommittal. And why should he have been voting for you exactly?

[texcat]

VOTE: Eevee

[texcat]

I would rather lynch Garmr, but that doesn't seem likely. I voted you earlier and said in the post you quoted that I was still willing to vote you. My opinion did not change.

[texcat]

I make it as L-1.
Eevee has 3 and Hopkirk 3.

[texcat]

Who did you protect last night, Alonzo?

[texcat]

My coffee is still brewing, so things may clear up after I have some, but right now I don't understand a damn thing.

VOTE: Rick Dalton

Its either this or someone's trying to frame you.

If they are framing you, then maybe they left me alive because they knew I'd be in your ass for this.

Are we supposed to know what this is? Cause I'm clueless.

How big is the neighbourhood cliff? Probably looking at some town in there.

Kop can you give a reads list with enough detail that I can have any confidence you've caught up?

I'll post sometime after work.

-hop

Are you just assuming that Cliff is in the neighborhood?

the traitor certainly though eve was scum no doubt

When he said i dont have PT with eve. As in being traitor not in teh main thread

The traitor knows who the scum are, doesn't he? He shouldn't have to

think

anything.

[texcat]

If this town let’s them continue with that nonsense it will result in a loss.

People say this, but the majority of games I do shenanigans I end up solving.

You can ask A50/Garmr about my trololol’ing all game as an IC.

You can ask Vorkuta/Alchemist/Una about my trollloling fake claim day 3 IC into Vig.

YOU KNOW WHAT YOU DID YOU FREELOADING BENEDICT ARNOLD

I ain't trusting you as far as I can throw you.

This was pretty clearly a crumb. I'm surprised no one seemed to catch it.

VOTE: Tchill

That vote hopping was opportunistic as

oven

.

I don't know what this means, but is it possible that Tchill was Gook's rolecop target?

[texcat]

the traitor certainly though eve was scum no doubt

When he said i dont have PT with eve. As in being traitor not in teh main thread

The traitor knows who the scum are, doesn't he? He shouldn't have to

think

anything.

This is daft since it's word play. It's easy to see what Bob is implying and the point of his case is the traitor knows who scum are. So why act like he doesn't know that?

Perhaps it was my lack of coffee, but I didn't see what Bob was implying. But now that I've had half a cup, I think I can see what Bob was getting at. Bob thinks that Gook knew that Eevee was scum and was quick to disassociate himself from her. Is that it?

[texcat]

See how he voted for titus then never realy did anything after that.

Makes me think he wanted to avoid lynching alonzo as he migth thought he was teh traitor. see how teh entire time he was probbing set ups rather than scum hunting

what are you talking about...? idt scum would know a traitor even exists. also ela is an easier way to shorten my name. (sidenote the "teh" procs my ocd. idk why you always type the like that)

I'm pretty sure that scum didn't know about the traitor or they surely would have caught Gook's crumb.

[texcat]

wait. i just realized carcalilly is alive. our wincon is pure

Sorry, I don't get this. Do you have a different wincon than I do?

[texcat]

See how he voted for titus then never realy did anything after that.

Makes me think he wanted to avoid lynching alonzo as he migth thought he was teh traitor. see how teh entire time he was probbing set ups rather than scum hunting

what are you talking about...? idt scum would know a traitor even exists. also ela is an easier way to shorten my name. (sidenote the "teh" procs my ocd. idk why you always type the like that)

Why wouldn’t scum know?

Actually, this is a normal. Scum ten billion percent know there was a traitor, and the traitor ten billion percent knew all the scum.

Is it possible then that Gook was vigged?

[texcat]

What's the reason for claimed watcher/voyeurs to not reveal results?

There's no claimed watchers for one thing.

-Kork

Just a dead watcher. And since there's a backup tracker claimed, there might be a backup watcher too. But no reason for them to claim if they don't have a scum for us.

optimal claim order is
doc
tracker
me

Why are you still trying to out the doc????

VOTE: Garmr

[texcat]

Not killing the Mason = Garmr town imo.

Huh? Can you explain this?

[texcat]

He also says it's confirmed a scum doctor targetted a mason,

I am guessing this was after Garmr claimed but before Carca outed she was Ascetic? Cuz it looks like an attempt to push the Doctor who was expected to claim so as to confirm Garmr.

P.S. How does that make Garmr look? I am not sure myself, as I could see it both ways.

Huh??? Why on earth would a scum doc target a mason?

[texcat]

Tbh who knows when he actually asked. The hosts been a bit here and there if you catch my drift

Mostly there and not here.

[texcat]

Titus, Gobble clearly crumbed that he was traitor in 2143, and his first post of the day was 2028 which I think could be a crumb of his role cop results, but I'm not sure how to interpret the italized oven.

[texcat]

VOTE: JJD

[texcat]

I'm going to vote for Cliff whenever we're ready. No one ever knows the vote count. Worst case is that we get a conf town out of the deal. In the meantime,

VOTE: Garmr

[texcat]

Cliff, could you possibly summarize the fruit situation one more time? Who you sent it to? And JJD's targets? Who claims to have received it? I could go back and look I know, I'm just being lazy.

[texcat]

i dont think it's healthy for the game. Like I said I lied.

Anyone out there get fruit on night one? looks like we are doing this again

I am fruitless.

oh shit I just realized something. I'm like 90% sure scum has a rolecop

They might have a backup rolecop?

[texcat]

Unofficial vote count cause we might never get an official one:

Cliff(5): Bob 3939, Aaron 3941, Titus 3966, Carca 3976, Hectic 4047
Garmr(2): Cliff 4039, Tex 4079

Not voting(8): Kop, Billy, Rick, Eevee, Hopkirk, Garmr, davesaz, profii

[texcat]

Davesaz and Carcalilly are mod-confirmed to be town.
Profii is town because he was Gobble's neighbor.
Billy is town because he claimed VT early on and I believed him.

If Cliff flips town, we then can confirm both Billy and Bob.

Rick has claimed doctor, but he's an actor so I don't put much stock in it.

[texcat]

I feel like scum is fine with Cliff being the lynch. I thi k that's either because he was determined to be able to be sacrificed, which is consistent with what happened yesterday, or it's because he is going to flip town. If he flips scum, then texcat is probably leading scum candidate tomorrow for trying to redirect the lynch. If he flips town I dont know where that leads us. I'd like a a swer from hopkirk on his progression vis-a-vis me and I think we're still waiting on answers from Rick and Lilly about fruit.

Huh? I did park my vote on Garmr while waiting to vote for Cliff until everyone had a chance to post. I would hardly characterize that as redirecting the lynch.

VOTE: Cliff L-2 I think

Cliff

, if you are town, can you confirm that you sent fruit to Kop on N1? He said he did not receive any fruit.

[texcat]

I feel like scum is fine with Cliff being the lynch. I thi k that's either because he was determined to be able to be sacrificed, which is consistent with what happened yesterday, or it's because he is going to flip town. If he flips scum, then texcat is probably leading scum candidate tomorrow for trying to redirect the lynch. If he flips town I dont know where that leads us. I'd like a a swer from hopkirk on his progression vis-a-vis me and I think we're still waiting on answers from Rick and Lilly about fruit.

Huh? I did park my vote on Garmr while waiting to vote for Cliff until everyone had a chance to post. I would hardly characterize that as redirecting the lynch.

VOTE: Cliff L-2 I think

Cliff

, if you are town, can you confirm that you sent fruit to Kop on N1? He said he did not receive any fruit.

Eeeew. Really bad post. Tries to act like they didnt move votes, is trying to get Cliff to out the purpose of this before we have all the answers in (we're still waiting on Rick and Lilly)

What do you mean move votes? Where exactly am I supposed to have moved votes?
Cliff already implied that he sent fruit to Kop. I just wanted him to confirm.
Rick & Lilly have both had adequate chances to tell us about fruit. Rick seems to be avoiding the question for some reason, and who cares about Carcalilly? No one would send fruit to a mason.

Getting really impatient for an answer. As in I want to just out what actually happened. I dont want to self hammer. In fact I would really rather not even be at L-2 right now. Scum are the only ones that know I'm telling the truth about being town and I think the cat is trying to get rid of me before I can hurt their team.

Did you miss Kop's reply in 4215?

@Tex: Cliff should 100% be the lynch. Cliff likely just self hammers at L1. Are you voting him because you're happy for the day to end?

Yes, I'm happy for the day to end. And I agree, just like I did about 20 pages ago, that Cliff should be the lynch.

Let's not hammer until we've forced Kop to actually exist.

ROFL

[texcat]

Hmm, let's try that link again: 4215

[texcat]

Tex why do you think cliff implied fruit went to kop?

When he made the post I assume you are referring to, rick hadn't (still hasn't confirmed) but kop has, as you quote

So you've jumped to kop when it actually looks like it's going to be rick

Since I've basically exposed the entire reason I'm wanting an answer for this anyway, I should clarify that the person that I actually sent fruit to on night one hasnt answered yet.

Is kop even in this game still

These posts were before Kop answered.

[texcat]

I'm a simple loyal fruit vendor. I sent fruit to jjd on n1, billy n2, and bob n3.

Isn't this the same claim you made 30 pages ago? I thought you had some new secret info you were going to reveal.

[texcat]

Actually let me match this a second, then I probably won't post for at least 12 hours.

Assuming 5 scum, we have today and tomorrow to mislynch. I'm basically considering 5 people as conf!town. So theres 4 more townies in that pool of 9 I identified earlier. So we're probably to the point that scum is not gonna kill in that pool unless we give them a reason to, like 1 of them claims a PR. And we have at least 1 town or that can investigate the claimed prs and 1 1 town pr that can investigate the claimed VTs. If we keep Cliff alive, he can investigate at least one of the VT claims.

Assuming we mislynch, scum kill a conf!townie and Cliff gets an inno, then we're at 5 conf!townies and the lynch pool is down to 7 with all five scum there.

If we mislynch, and Cliff gets a guilty, we only have 4 conf!townies, but we have a guaranteed kill for LYLO or we could lynch that that day.

Look, if we trust Cliff (which I do) town can basically PoE this for a win. If we force a mass claim now, i think it enhances our chances.

I think we should mass claim. I already claimed, so did Profii, Cliff, and Garmr. If I have a choice, i want to popcorn to texcat.

On a side note, did Garmr claim n3 target?

Are you all forgetting that JJD had a guilty on Cliff? Are we forgetting that Cliff did nothing about JJD until he got pressed? I also don't like Cliff's tactic today of wait, wait don't lynch me yet, I've got something important to say, I'll tell you what really happened ...... oh, it's the same thing I already told you. I think he's scum, but even if he's town, he needs to go so that we can confirm Billy and Bob.

[texcat]

I'm cool with popcorn style mass claim.

tex is next Billy popcorned them, then tex picks someone and we keep on going.

I'm almost certain we don't have a vig.

I think we should postpone the claim until Day 5, but am willing to start if our conf town (Dave, Profii, Carca) think it's better to claim now.

[texcat]

Spoiler: Aaron does not like anything I do

I'm going to vote for Cliff whenever we're ready. No one ever knows the vote count. Worst case is that we get a conf town out of the deal. In the meantime,

VOTE: Garmr

tex could be Cliff's partner is he flips scum. Don't like this bizarre attempt to distract from the Cliff/JJD situation.

Why the vote on Garmr?

I feel like scum is fine with Cliff being the lynch. I thi k that's either because he was determined to be able to be sacrificed, which is consistent with what happened yesterday, or it's because he is going to flip town. If he flips scum, then texcat is probably leading scum candidate tomorrow for trying to redirect the lynch. If he flips town I dont know where that leads us. I'd like a a swer from hopkirk on his progression vis-a-vis me and I think we're still waiting on answers from Rick and Lilly about fruit.

Huh? I did park my vote on Garmr while waiting to vote for Cliff until everyone had a chance to post. I would hardly characterize that as redirecting the lynch.

VOTE: Cliff L-2 I think

Cliff

, if you are town, can you confirm that you sent fruit to Kop on N1? He said he did not receive any fruit.

Don't like this vote either.

Worst case scenario if we lynch Cliff today is that we end up in LyLo tomorrow but that's only if there's 6 scum remaining. 7 total scum in a 21 player game seems like too much, even with a traitor.

I don't like how eager tex is to end this day when we have plenty of time left. I get not wanting to waste time but I would hardly say the day is stalling right now.

First he doesn't like my vote on Garmr because he thinks I'm redirecting the lynch(!). Then he doesn't like my vote on Cliff. Now he's characterizing me as being overly eager to lynch Cliff. Something stinks. It might be some weird confirmation bias, but I don't like it.

Aaron, I don't think I am over-eager, but I am ready for day to end. I don't see what more we can hope to accomplish today and I think that things will be clearer when we've resolved Cliff.

I will continue to argue that we should lynch Cliff and I don't like that Billy seems to be arguing against lynching him. And I don't like that Billy says that Profii and Dave agree with him.

[texcat]

4207

But if you scroll down to the bottom of the page, there's a place where you can select Titus's posts.

[texcat]

I'm intending to vote Cliff. I'm not going to be doing this before Kop gets replaced.

Has Kop asked for replacement? Has he even been prodded?

[texcat]

I'm intending to vote Cliff. I'm not going to be doing this before Kop gets replaced.

Has Kop asked for replacement? Has he even been prodded?

In the last month he's made no meaningful posts. A couple of comments on setup stuff but no actual content, no comments about players.

Last we heard was 2-3 days ago where it was unclear whether he'd keep playing. He's due a prod again.

@mod

[texcat]

But texcats claim would be useful

Why? What use would it be?

[texcat]

I still see no benefit in claiming today. But, as I said before, if our conf townies, Dave, Carca, and Profii want claims, I will go along with it.

[texcat]

Eevee flips scum, we're just waiting for his fakeclaim.

We already have Garmr's fake claim, and I think Eevee claimed VT.

Rick your avoiding answering who you doctored?

Who did you watch last night? Are you avoiding that question?

[texcat]

Sigh I didn't know if doctor existed back then it could of been a jailkeeper ect. I wanted scum to hunt a imaginary doctor and not shoot the mason it's fucking simple. I didn't expect the actual real doctor/protective role to be fucking stupid.

I'm buying this with a grain of salt all due to Gamma's mail. Gamma thought he had you figured out so I'd assume you knew we were legit once we contacted you. So I fully understand why you would've done that.

What does this mean? Did Gamma Emerald send Garmr mail on N1? Are you sure the mail went through or did Gamma Emerald die before he mailed it? Can you tell us what the mail said?

[texcat]

Players	Status	Role	Death
Kop Pine	Alive
Billy Pilgrim	Alive	Likely VT - rec'd fruit from Cliff
Cliff Booth	Dead	Town Loyal Simple Fruit Vendor	Lynched Day 4
Rick Dalton	Alive	Claims nonconsecutive doc
Sharon Tate Alonzo	Dead	Town Macho	Lynched Day 2
Hectic	Alive
EeveeLution Army	Alive	Claims VT
Gamma Emerald	Dead	Town Mason Mailman	Killed Night 1
Judge Joseph Dredd	Dead	Town Disloyal Simple Fruit Vendor	Lynched Day 3
Elements	Dead	Town Macho Watcher	Lynched Day 1
Titus	Alive
Hopkirk	Alive
roosterfoster gobbledygook	Dead	Mafia Traitor Rolecop Neighbor	Killed Night 2
Carcalilly	Alive	Ascetic mason
Garmr	Alive	Claims voyeur, but lied about N1 results
Tchill13 Blatant Scum	Dead	Town Tracker	Killed Night 3
davesaz	Alive	Innocent child
profii	Dead	Town Backup Tracker Neighbor	Killed Night 4
bob3141	Alive	Likely VT - rec'd fruit from Cliff
Skellen AaronFrost	Alive
YouAreGreat texcat	Alive

I didn't include Hectic's miller survivor claim. Did I miss any others? Town certainly looks overpowered. Overpowered and not doing very well so far.

[texcat]

In particular what does it tell you about scum?

I love the pedantic and condescending Socratic method, and so will play along.

Let's start with the doc situation first. The presence of the Macho players would tend to indicate a protective role (although I've certainly played in games where the mod just threw that in as a red herring). The fact that Rick, our claimed doc, is still alive would make me think that scum have a strong arm that can kill through protection. Or they have a roleblocker to block him every night. Of course, Rick could be fake claiming, either as scum or as town trying to protect the doc, and if scum know that, it would also explain his being alive.

The scum have killed the tracker and the backup tracker. So I'm guessing that if they have a ninja, it's not the same person as their strong arm and they prefer to kill with the strong arm.

I would normally think that scum would have a rolecop of some sort, but the traitor was a rolecop. Perhaps they might have a vanilla cop of some sort.

And JJD's role would indicate that there is at least one goon.

[texcat]

cant two vt claims that claimed fruit be mafia goon ?

He was loya and simple. If we actually received fruit on the night that Cliff sent it to us, then we're vt. If we got fruit when JJD sent it to us, then we'd be goons.

If the result is faked, then all bets are off.

That chart was missing 2 vt claims. Hopkirk and Aaron.

Can Titus then tex claim please?

Noted. Thank you.

Texcat didn't really post anything after the Alonzo lynch. Lack of follow up on Eevee there makes me doubt his committal to the lynch. Kop flips scum if Tex does.

@Texcat: how do you read Hectic? You haven't expressed a read on him this game. How do you feel about Eevee and Titus?

I'm unable to make heads nor tails out of the you and Hectic. I didn't like Eevee's reaction to Billy's VT claim, but I've liked her posts more since then. Titus has been uncharacteristically quiet, making her even harder to read.

[texcat]

We should still be lynching Garmr.

+1

[texcat]

Pine (6)(L-1)

: Billy 4978, Hectic 4988, Davesaz 4989, Aaron 4990, Garmr 4992, Bob 4998

Eevee(1)

: Rick 4952

Garmr(1)

: Titus 4740

Hectic(1)

: Carcalilly 4958

Titus(1)

: Hopkirk 4880

Aaron(1)

: Eevee 4857

Not voting(2): Pine, Texcat

[texcat]

This is complete bullshit. Kop/Pine, texcat, and Titus have all dragged into another day without having to claim. Titus gets lynched tomorrow, and I need a claim from tex like yesterday.

Why? I prefer to keep my role to myself if I can't help town with my claim. If I already had some info that would help town, I'd have claimed it. I'm willing to go along, but only if Carca and Dave, our conf town, think it's best to claim.

[texcat]

I'm still here. I'd like to hear Garmr's results from last night. And I wonder who Rick protected.

[texcat]

I'm pretty sure that scum didn't know about the traitor or they surely would have caught Gook's crumb.

If I was scum I simply wouldn't have noticed it, because I'm not American and I had no idea who Benedict Arnold was. (I've just googled it now after you brought it up).

Of course, the chances are really slim the whole scum team contains no American players.. (but I'm just trying to keep myself in the suspects pool so as not to get shot at night).

I'm beginning to think the chances are high.

[texcat]

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

[texcat]

Eve- bob, hopk, billy, hectic, aaron

i make it

It looks to me like a whole bunch of scum are on that wagon. That just moved Eevee over to my town column.

[texcat]

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

Still willing to vote Garmr Hectic or Hopkirk. Rick made a dreadful hammer after a horrible vote by Aaron, but both remain on my don't lynch today list. Carca and Titus remain on my never lynch list.

[texcat]

Texcat, why am I on your never lynch list?

VOTE: Garmr

Because I think you are town. You agree with me about Garmr.

[texcat]

(Titus/Texcat/AFF/Hectic) are the 'let's lynch Garmr block. I still have a townread on Garmr. None of them have addressed the main reason I've given for this despite me mentioning it at least twice to Hectic yesterday.
@Titus@Texcat@AFF@Hectic

Why does Garmr actually make that claim. It's such a bad fakeclaim for scum to make for so many reasons at that time.

All of them are pushing for him despite how much the rest of that block is pushing for him- despite the fact I think I'm the only non confirmed town who doesn't want to lynch Garmr. @Hectic especially: why did AFF/Texcat want to lynch Garmr yesterday so badly?

I want to lynch (Titus/Tex/Aff) today then have a look at Hectic before making the final decision. That's almost definitely the scumteam though.

I don't think it's a bad fake claim at all. It was a good, safe, early fake claim. Garmr was just unlucky that Carca was ascetic.

On the other hand, I think it was a terrible town claim if Garmr is actually town.

[texcat]

VOTE: Garmr

[texcat]

VOTE: Texcat

Probably never getting a claim out of her.

I refuse to claim unless a known townie asks me to claim.

[texcat]

Vt

[texcat]

tex why were you so hesitant to claim VT? And why am I on your 'never lynch' list? You've been dodging most of the questions directed at you.

I'm not lynching you today. After your horrible vote on Eevee, I'm willing to reconsider later.
I was reluctant to claim because the people who were asking and trying to direct the mass claim were mostly in my scum column. I was hoping by refusing maybe they'd waste some night actions on me or kill me.

@Titus: Ever going to go over who else you want to lynch after Garmr? Assuming a Garmr scumflip.

Same question @Tex and probably @Aaron.

Pretty sure I've already answered who my top 3 are.

[texcat]

VOTE: Garmr

I am also willing to lynch Hectic and Hopkirk. This is based, in part, on the fact that scum missed the blatant Benedict Arnold crumb from the traitor.

I am never voting Rick, Carca, Titus, or Aaron.

Still willing to vote Garmr Hectic or Hopkirk. Rick made a dreadful hammer after a horrible vote by Aaron, but both remain on my don't lynch today list. Carca and Titus remain on my never lynch list.

Why are you never lynching Titus, and unlikely to lynch Aaron?

VOTE: Texcat

Probably never getting a claim out of her.

I refuse to claim unless a known townie asks me to claim.

Want to answer why you're never lynching Aaron or Titus?
How can you be so sure of them when most likely it's 4 scum in {Aaron, Titus, Texcat, Garmr, Hop, Hectic}.
You're basically saying it's the other 4 if you believe Bob and Rick's claims.

@Texcat

I feel like I've said all of this numerous times already. Titus is town. Look at her vote record. Look at her meta. She's never missed a breadcrumb. I'm not so sure about Aaron after his vote on Eevee. And Bob's claim is iffy. Rick's claim looks good, but his play is not what I would normally expect. I don't know right now who I would pick for the 4th scum.

[texcat]

Well played scum! Can't wait to see the scum thread; why did y'all kill the traitor?