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[Gamma Emerald]

that's an interesting way of spelling entire

P sure he meant whole
Also y'all are hurting my head

[Gamma Emerald]

Hey can we slow down a little pls

[Gamma Emerald]

whoops forgot to sign that post, sorry.

-Hop

Please explain

Idk, you'll have to wait until Hopkins gets back.

-Kirk

I'm going to kick your ass

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I've read about this on the wiki actually.
What he's doing here is

breadcrumbing

. He's essentially giving us clues that he's a survivor, so that when he claims it D4 or something, he can point back to this post.
It's a bit weird to have 2 survivors though, so:

VOTE: profii

If you see someone crumbing you don't call it out. Crumbs are hints to attentive town in attempts to communicate something with the chance that a mafia ignorant enough won't see it. Calling out a crumb is like helping mafia rolefish. Completely defeats the purpose.

He clearly said Survivor multiple times in the post. How would anyone miss this. Do you think you sound kind of LAMIST here?

I don't think Carca is aware of that element of the normal rules

[Gamma Emerald]

Also, Hectic’s giving me gimmick alt vibes

Gimmick yes, alt no

[Gamma Emerald]

Good to see a lot of these faces in this game.

This ol tv Cowboy hasn’t played with Profii, Tchill, Carcalilly in a minute.

Decent amount of the Boon Babes in here too.

Also, Hectic’s giving me gimmick alt vibes

Our reign came before you.

But you seem to be well aquainted with the recent meta.
VOTE: Rick Dalton and that makes me want to play devil's advocate. Are you scum?

Oof, Craca probably not scum with quite a few people. Probably good to townbin her already.

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't Actually Mind hectic pointing out breAdCrumbs. It's Only a Problem if mafia kills tHe person who is doing the breAdcRumming. Don't Care if Losers Aren't In My traIN of thinkinG here, we Can dO this without People like that dragging us down.

Is the flailing thing cumulative? It sounds like we should all just accuse the d1 lynch target of flailing before we hammer (I call the lolhammer btw) to increase their chance of flipping scum.

@Hectic: if anyone gets to L2 and you want to lolL1 I'll lolhammer or vise versa.

Brudda breadcrumbing is fine but breadloafing you should never do

[Gamma Emerald]

Did I tell you I am THE LAW yet?

Fuck you

I recognise no authority other than the mod

VOTE: Elements
Obey THE LAW.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm starting to realise my game play is heavily influenced by my mood.

this happens to me too. it is an emotional game tbh

so what mood are you in now then

Im in the mood to vote some up.

VOTE: Eve

I actually really like this post

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma might be scum. I don't remember town!Gamma being this active most of the time.

Don't you doubt your ability to read me? Also I refuse to believe what you are saying. I'm certain I've been this active in games in the past, and honestly I don't see how this is that active.

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I was quite active in Large Normal 215

[Gamma Emerald]

I have one of my own, and it concludes that 99% of the stats posted in this thread are made up BS.

There are yet to be 100 stats in this thread so you have called your own stat made up thus creating a looping paradox of it being made up then not made up then made up then not made up....

Good catch! Now can you recognize this:

Pilgrim, can you handle this?
Dalton, can you handle this?
Gamma, can you handle this?
I don't think they can handle this
My boy Fish, can you handle this?
My girl Carca, can you handle this?
davesaz, can you handle this?
YouAreGreat, you can't handle this

I'm going to guess it's a Destiny Child some rehashed using players in this game.

What

[Gamma Emerald]

Yeah I was quite active in Large Normal 215

One game is easy to mention. I used the word most for a reason. And I used the word remember for a reason.
Memory's the 2nd thing to fade as you grow older btw.

[Gamma Emerald]

What is the W in RWS

[Gamma Emerald]

oooh I may have spoken too soon, oh dear. I hadn’t realized how cute Carcalilly is. maybe I should reconsider

The thing you never realize about Carcalilly is her cuteness is not just a cover for her skill, it somehow amplifies it. You'll be doing fine then, oop, here comes L'il Cutie taking you down

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma might be scum. I don't remember town!Gamma being this active most of the time.

Don't you doubt your ability to read me? Also I refuse to believe what you are saying. I'm certain I've been this active in games in the past, and honestly I don't see how this is that active.

Why'd you halt your catchup after seeing this post, Gamma?

I was reading your guide to finding scum on the wiki, and you said scum are more prone to being put off the thread by being scumread. Did you stop catching up for that reason?

I think you're the first person to ever read my guide, that makes you unvotable by me until like Day 3 at the earliest

[Gamma Emerald]

Btw I think Hop's collection of sig quote attempts is honestly one of the towniest things he has posted

[Gamma Emerald]

or rather, not lying about being survivor

Do I tell her or no

[Gamma Emerald]

Oh man, hectic and hopkirk are both going to make this game fun to read and infuriating to play. I don't have a clue how to read them, but it's enjoyable at least. Can't tell if carcalilly was joking, because that was a bit LAMIST. Carca were you joking?

VOTE: Carcalilly

Hectic's survivor crumb had me dying.

bad post

vote: billy pilgrim

JEEP's guide to catching mafia told me that naked votes with little explanation like this are usually bad.
Do you dislike his post because he's LAMISTing it up and not scumhunting?

I honestly think the dedication to the gimmick from Hectic is really towny

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma tell me if anyone votes you so I can dayvig them

I'll try

[Gamma Emerald]

If Hectic is actually just Dr Easy Bake, I’m going to flip a lid.

That would be amazing

[Gamma Emerald]

i didn't like the post because it was a long way of saying "i have no reads" while trying to appear to be substantive. and the questioning of carca + the immediate vote makes me feel like he genuinely wasn't interested in learning carca's perspective, and did it as filler.

This is a pretty good read, I might sheep it

[Gamma Emerald]

is hectic an alt of an old user or a genuinely new player? because that's gonna drastically impact how i'm reading them

I'd say alt.

Hi Dave!
So there was this study on the wiki I was reading where newbie!scum are a lot more likely greet the thread than newbie!town.
Could you tell me if you're a newbie please?

I'm qualified to be an IC. In fact maybe I am an IC but it won't come out for a couple days.

Underrated joke

[Gamma Emerald]

I think pilgrim is preying upon the fact that I took hectic for a genuinely clueless player for a minute

#Same

[Gamma Emerald]

Hectic/Elements/Hopkirk have a connection of some kind.

It's true
They're all town

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't like Dredd parking his vote on Hectic, 'fit in memeing', and I think it's too early for those townreads when there's more towny looking stuff going on.

VOTE: Dredd

Interesting take, anything more?

[Gamma Emerald]

I was just going to say we had a YAG Carca Hopkirk TOWNBLOCK. I like the way you think Hectic. That might mean we need to lynch you before you use your dastardly charisma to infiltrate it and play us like suckers.

Have you ever been wrong about someone in a town block?

According to "M" 's frustrated declarations like 'I hate how this works. It shouldn't work. He just says it and they keep turning out to be right. Probability doesn't work like this. He literally started the game by pointing to people and saying townblock.' Not recently.

Who is this M

[Gamma Emerald]

Hectic/Elements/Hopkirk have a connection of some kind.

It's true
They're all town

Why Elements?
He hasn't even self-voted for himself, let alone claimed serial killer yet.

I'm actually not sure there but I wanted to meme and I don't think Elements is scum rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Woah, I am on a roll of PageTops here. I think I read on the wiki somewhere that consistent PageToppers are 11% more likely to be town.
This statistic is incorrect however, since I am a Survivor this game. Silly wiki.

I would extend that natural pagetoppers are more likely town. People who go out of their way are probably scum meanwhile

[Gamma Emerald]

Ok makes sense. It's early, so this was basically my way of directing a question to Carcalilly while we are still in LIVS. LAMIST means look at me I'm so town. Her comment about worrying about Hectic pointing out breadcrumbs in response to what I thought was a pretty obvious joke came across to me as her trying to score easy townpoints. That's why I asked if it was a joke. And I didn't read it as a joke initially, which is why I directed the vote there.

And as for my comments that I can't read Hectic and Hopkirk, I mean that. The jokey posts come across as though they're not game solving, but they're legit nai, so sorting them is tough. Yet for some reason I decided to torture myself by replacing into this game.

Could I ask what LIV means please? I don't see it anywhere in the wiki.
If you believe the jokey posts are NAI, can't you just disregard them?

Some people (myself included) believe the RVS stage is never truly random and you always pick someone for some reason, so it's a "low information vote stage"

I think it's a minority opinion

I think it's an accurate statement but RVS is just easier to say

[Gamma Emerald]

Some people are God meta manipulators and following what you know can be a weakness for them to exploit. They take no prisoners.

I have a little bit of history. He's just town.

Oh no. This makes me want to OMGUS you because the wiki is all I have to aid my scumhunting this game. I'll just hope there's no wolfgods in this game then.

I'll take your word for it.

HEAL: Gamma Emerald

I think Rick is the greatest wolfgod currently here. Don't know if he's scum, though.

[Gamma Emerald]

Woah, I am on a roll of PageTops here. I think I read on the wiki somewhere that consistent PageToppers are 11% more likely to be town.
This statistic is incorrect however, since I am a Survivor this game. Silly wiki.

What I think you may find interesting is that there was this old statistic/graphic that "scum tend to post less" in general, so the likelyhood of pagetopping is less.

I've been wrecked by exceptions before, so it doesn't really help you in my book. Everyone's got an equal chance of being scum here. Except maybe gamma.

I was reading through Mastin's Insane Tells in the wiki and apparently a lot of these statistics and guides become obsolete once people actually start reading them and playing against the tells.

What's your history with

Omega Ruby

Gamma Emerald?

Some people are God meta manipulators and following what you know can be a weakness for them to exploit. They take no prisoners.

I have a little bit of history. He's just town.

Like who

This raises so many red flags

[Gamma Emerald]

So I'm still reading through Mastin's Guide for Scumhunting, and Rick's behaviour this game fits perfectly into "riding the wave" scum archetype she describes.

VOTE: Rick Dalton

Mastina’s one of the people who’ve misread me in the majority of games I’ve played against her.

She scum read me in most of my town games, and then town read me as VI town when I was scum bussing a buddy whom she also thought of as town.


Hello, I’m Rick Dalton. The best TV baddie cowboy in the biz.

I’m the antithesis of the normal mafia philosophy and bring results. This town ain’t big enough for the two of us.

Ehhhaaaaaeeehhh this reminds me of mastina's "God of scumplay" post

[Gamma Emerald]

Ugh, don't remind me about the memecounter from meme mafia. I regret that mechanic already.

Oh PLEASE tell me more!

[Gamma Emerald]

Also should I be changing my vote so often or does erratic behaviour like this usually get scumread?

I can speak from experience changing your vote too much looks scummy

[Gamma Emerald]

Ehhhaaaaaeeehhh this reminds me of mastina's "God of scumplay" post

Tried a quick wiki search for this but landed nothing. Where do I find this?

It's not on the wiki but it was a meme that came out of Team Mafia 2018

[Gamma Emerald]

Didn't realize this game had started... High people.

Nope, haven't smoked an ounce of weed.

[Gamma Emerald]

I just skimmed the last 5 pages to make sure I wasn't lynched before realizing a made a typo lol.

So do I get to skip the dumb rvs or do I need to go back and read it?

You probably should

[Gamma Emerald]

@Gamma

You remember the game where I rocked it and nailed the entire scum team by day 3 and no one listened to me? Yeah I get the feeling this game won't be like that. I feel as wonky as

FB

. So want to help me find some scum. Because I'm a little lost and I feel like your town.

Are you referring to The Thread Title Sucked?

[Gamma Emerald]

And honestly I think it would be easier to find town than scum rn

[Gamma Emerald]

Ignore Judge. I think I'm bussing him enough here. Would prefer it if he got in on the act since there's no way the entire scumteam would act like this.

Pretty sure Soulreading is something FL just made up. Either that or it's that thing Cowbells has where you sell your soul for enhanced mafia abilities.

Soul reading is a cheap term used to say you are good at reading X person
Like I could say I can "soulread" MariaR but I don't because the term I'd dumb. I just say I trust my ability to read her.

[Gamma Emerald]

That being said Town shouldn't really want a neutral survivor in the game but I'm a bit of hypocrite but a hypocrite with reasons . I guess we just treat mylo as a day earlier.

[Gamma Emerald]

If judge ends up being scum I won't be able to tell until later days.

Trust me, I am not. And to untangle your thoughts (if you didn't know) you played with me as both A50 and AP.

Ooohho that might actually make me even more paranoid

I'd say trust me to read him but idk if my ability to read A50 also works on his alts

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is NOT scum

tbh i agree with you on this

Eevee, what are your thoughts on the game as a whole?

[Gamma Emerald]

Gamma is scummy sure, but he's not scum.

Btw this is such a good statement when reading me in general

[Gamma Emerald]

Who is this M

lol

[Gamma Emerald]

oh btw my sleep schedule is a complete and utter mess so ill be on at random times lol

gamma speaks the truth, all hail gamma

The eevee army has even picked up a religion in the war against scum it looks like.

I've jacked my sleep up too so same haha.

Hecking same

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm only familiar with Rick's scum game but it's been FOREVER since I've played with or against him so I might as well have no experience with the guy.

What

[Gamma Emerald]

and the hectic townbloc jump was pinging but it's just not something scum would do. Unless they're reckless.

It's hilarious to me that carcalilly seems to be the only one trying to actually play the game amongst the "hellos" and "how do you do's"

Carca town so far. Got nothing on anyone else. The familiarity will make this game a more difficult one, but a fun one indeed.

I'm certain everyone is playing to some extent, some just don't care to show it

[Gamma Emerald]

I like Tchill's entrance. I'll put you down on the town pile for now

Hm kinda feel it was a little weak

[Gamma Emerald]

Is this a townread or shade.

It's a townread but it would be some pretty epic shade

Also noted about M

[Gamma Emerald]

Sharon, JJD, roster

Pls talk about these

[Gamma Emerald]

My theory was that since water was the only word there used incorrectly it's a red herring.
That leaves Earth Fire and Wind.
This game is set in September.
Coincidence?

-Kirk

Epic tinfoil

[Gamma Emerald]

Some people (myself included) believe the RVS stage is never truly random and you always pick someone for some reason, so it's a "low information vote stage"

I think it's a minority opinion

Hmm, there's probably a statistic for scum being more/less likely to pick their buddies during RVS, but I couldn't find anything like that on the wiki unfortunately.
We could start gaining info for that now if you like? What alignment are you and was your RVS your scum buddy?

I actually picked kop because he totally duped me in a past game once ha ha

I am town of course

Your going to have to refresh my mind, what are you on about?

Why do your reactions start here?

[Gamma Emerald]

gamma!! who should I vote?

Probably Billy or Tchill, and btw I'll take this tome to explain why. I feel like this game is essentially in a protracted RVS like state, and these two feel out of their element in it. Scum are noted to have trouble fitting in during RVS so I think these two are scummy as such.

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

[Gamma Emerald]

I’m in a neighborhood with Tchill and

Aristophanes

.

Remind me never to tell you about more of my alts.

What

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't know if that's gonna get the coding right, (I'm doing this from my phone) but the town pm was white. I know that it's normally green, so I think Carca slipped scum based on a guess from experience. I think YAG was confused by the green pm phrase because she's new and she didn't get a green pm this time around. Hop, why'd you ask how it was a slip?

VOTE: Carcalilly

This is stupid.
There was a townie in an older game that said he'd flip blue (color used for PR flips sometimes) when the PR that was killed N1 was a green flip.

[Gamma Emerald]

JJD because I didn't like his entrance

I forgot the lubricant! SORRY! My bad.

AAAAAAAAAAAAAHH

[Gamma Emerald]

pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason

Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.

I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the game

That's juicy enough to sheep
VOTE: Judge Joseph

I think JJD is town rn actually

[Gamma Emerald]

Don't tell me... are you hiding behind your gimmick to not play the game?

I am

playing the bloody game. You're just not seeing it because you have your bloody shades on. However, there are many experts in this game who would tell you that I -at least- am playing (as in sorting) as we speak. They may not all be able to tell my alignment yet (except those who rolled scum, of course) and may not even know what exactly I'm doing, but they know I'm playing the game of Mafia as we speak.

Pro tip: I'm one of the experts

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think this game had a RVS-like state

Why?

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: Judge Joseph Dread

BLECH

[Gamma Emerald]

No point voting Elements since he’s obviously getting modkilled for that horrific, unprovoked, and untrue attack on Tchill’s (very cool) name. While we’re on the subject his avatar has good hair too.
@Judge: do you count extra judicial streaming as ‘breaking the law’?

after skimming Kirk's iso I'm starting to think that my paranoia was pretty unbased. But it still exists and I dont like it.

Wow. It? It? It? I have a name you know.

Oh no no I was referring to not liking my own paranoia, not you!! You're lovely hop

Try not to get pocketed. Try not to get pocketed. Try not to get...

gamma!! who should I vote?

Probably Billy or Tchill, and btw I'll take this tome to explain why. I feel like this game is essentially in a protracted RVS like state, and these two feel out of their element in it. Scum are noted to have trouble fitting in during RVS so I think these two are scummy as such.

VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

I was thinking about that a bit. How are you thinking scum would act in a heavily jokey environment (when they've seen a fair few townreads coming out of it). Join in, lurk, or post like normal?

Depends entire on the player, but I think most would try to post like normal.

[Gamma Emerald]

Fish Monger

Fish Monger is here?

[Gamma Emerald]

Do people really not think skellen or YOUAREGREAT are scummy?

Talk about Skellen pls

[Gamma Emerald]

Also FYI

JJD has town slipped

I'm not going to believe any of these slips you're talking about without proof

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think this game had a RVS-like state

Why?

Plenty of random, but not much voting. (yeah, some, but not much)
I see the character of the game start as being different from the average RVS in a subtle way. It generated more actual content faster.

Hm. Given that what do you think that content says rn?

[Gamma Emerald]

I don't think this game had a RVS-like state

Why?

Plenty of random, but not much voting. (yeah, some, but not much)
I see the character of the game start as being different from the average RVS in a subtle way. It generated more actual content faster.

Hm. Given that what do you think that content says rn?

Have you noticed my comments about Hectic?

Maybe. Question for you, have you ever read the Normal rules in full?

[Gamma Emerald]

pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason

Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.

I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the game

That's juicy enough to sheep
VOTE: Judge Joseph

I think JJD is town rn actually

why?

When he put me in his suspect pool and then quickly retracted that after seeing one of my posts it gave me the adsense his sorting is genuine.

[Gamma Emerald]

pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason

Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.

I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the game

That's juicy enough to sheep
VOTE: Judge Joseph

I think JJD is town rn actually

why?

When he put me in his suspect pool and then quickly retracted that after seeing one of my posts it gave me the adsense his sorting is genuine.

that's fair. my issue with his scumlist is that it has 13 players. not only do i think that 13 players in a scumlist is so useless that it barely counts as a scumlist, i don't buy that he had a townread on the other 8 players so early into the game.

I think your thinking is fair but it's not really a scummy thing. And I think it is totally reasonable to have 8 townreads at that point.

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe. Question for you, have you ever read the Normal rules in full?

Truthfully, I don't remember if I have

in full

. It's quite likely that things have changed since, if I have.

Okay, because the rules say the

only

allowed third party in normals is a Serial Killer. And SKs aren't allowed in Mini + Micro Normals following implosion's renovation of the normal rules

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe I should ask again because it's even more relevant

how is YAG scum, I legitimately cannot see it
Is it the anime pfp?

it's definitely the anime pfp

KILL THEM ALL

[Gamma Emerald]

maybe i'm confusing our conflicting playstyles with you being scummy

I do believe that to be the case. And you obviously never played with someone like Wisdom, but that's a whole lot of another bucket.

Seriously though, it's a combination of how they phrase their posts for some and how they react to stuff for everyone. Stuff maybe stuff I said or stuff someone else said. I know how X would react to something. I know Y would see "that thing" as an opportunity to push a mislynch on someone. So, when "that thing" happens and they don't push it, and -in fact- try to find the town motive behind it I figure this isn't their scum game.

I'll give you one example (and one example only) as a means to elaborate on the idea: profii asked me if I had asked him something to convey that I was town )this happened after IO posted my list, I know, but it's a good example, and it also confirmed my read on him). The question he was referring to was me asking if he had a personal PT. He was the Cop in that game (in which I was the mod), and he thought I was crumbing Cop. And

although I am a Cop

I told him that wasn't my intention. For profii to think that was a crumb is NAI, but for him to ask the way he did rather than just keep silent and deal with me at night is town indicative.

Also, many players (you included) keep referring to my "scum pool list" as such, when I clearly said I had no reason to TR them yet it didn't mean I FoS them all. I dunno why people like to be selective in their comprehension of what's been typed. Most people read something and it translates into something else in their minds and then they keep assuming that's the truth.

Take a look at my recent back & forth with Hopkirk. I say I have a TOWN LEAN on Hectic and he wastes like 2 pages arguing I had a scum lean on the guy. That's too stupid to be pushed as scum indicative of Hopkirk, because he was quoting my post every single time, so it's clearly he had a brain fart and decided what he misread was the truth. In his mind he believed I has a scum lean on Hectic despite the test he was quoting said otherwise.

SO, all I ask is for people to read what I say

as it is

. Don't assume any hidden meanings (especially if you have no experience with me). If I say I am a Cop (I just did a few lines above) just assume that I am claiming a Cop of some sorts, and act upon it.

I don't buy your claim pal

[Gamma Emerald]

That was low-key a check request. Although I have doubts that we have a cop.
If we do then mafia might also have a pr.

Interesting logic talk about this?

[Gamma Emerald]

Maybe. Question for you, have you ever read the Normal rules in full?

Truthfully, I don't remember if I have

in full

. It's quite likely that things have changed since, if I have.

Okay, because the rules say the

only

allowed third party in normals is a Serial Killer. And SKs aren't allowed in Mini + Micro Normals following implosion's renovation of the normal rules

Evidently you didn't read my

very next post

.

It's also to everyone else because I think there are some players who genuinely don't know

[Gamma Emerald]

Also I might vote roster

[Gamma Emerald]

The player roster. Nice joke though.

[Gamma Emerald]

That's essentially what it is. It's that logic in layers, like you could also guess they're scum who planned to get that reaction

[Gamma Emerald]

That's essentially what it is. It's that logic in layers, like you could also guess they're scum who planned to get that reaction

So it's the whole cycle of "they wouldn't do that so they would do that so they wouldn't do that..."

Exactly. I am actually pretty good at cutting through that btw.

[Gamma Emerald]

VOTE: roster
Meh.

[Gamma Emerald]

I'm liking JJD more every post now

I'm already liking him but he's still goodposting

[Gamma Emerald]

I feel like any form of cop should check these miller claims

Why? If they're inno results it's from town, otherwise you don't know. Like what's the point?

[Gamma Emerald]

Hi this game feels boring rn

[Gamma Emerald]

hey Tchill look buddy ol' man you're a great asset to this game but within the whole YAG vs Tchill thing I have to side with the latter.

Uhhh the way you phrased it TChill is the latter

[Gamma Emerald]

In this edition of carca's bus ride takes way to long: counting how much of Eevee's posts is just fluff.

80- excuseable because it's your first post
277- extremely generic comment
278- really sweet, but still
287-see 278
308-extremley generic comment #2
393- dramatically generic comment #3
395- self explanatory
398400402
817- generous but doesn't have that much to offer

I feel like you're taking this extremely casually, like youre speaking to people on some friendly Minecraft server. Is this how you always treat your games? How many have you played? By no means do I want to attack your sweet and friendly attitude but the reality of this game is that it can be grueling in the fact that you win it by psychology cracking people open.

I WILL go over the rest of your substantial posts, that's a promise on my gravestone, just let me eat a snack first because I just got home. I just needed to get these out of the way first and display the numbers, or so they say.

Has ELA answered this yet? I'd like to speak on it myself

[Gamma Emerald]

hey Tchill look buddy ol' man you're a great asset to this game but within the whole YAG vs Tchill thing I have to side with the latter.

Honestly your last couple of posts were good. I town binned him because I felt like he came into an inactive game and started trying to sort, but this puts that into question. Why don't you think it's enough to read him red?

Precisely why you town binned him. This is one interaction between another player that didn't sit good, but there's a lot of other interactions (that I haven't looked into fully

yet

, mind you) that are pretty good at plain level looking.
I might change my mind after digging deeper because I have yet to know what's actually there, but I have to finish my other thoughts before I loose them.

You know this might have a point, a scum in another game got pretty far doing what YAG has done at replace in

[Gamma Emerald]

I dunno, always struggle to read gamma:(

Try pls

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Want to try and get a record for the most pages posted on the site. I'm in the previous game that broke that record why not do that again?

You were in Civ Mafia?

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Hopkirk (2): Cliff Booth, Rick Dalton

Not a fan of this

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1) it really depends on the other people involved. Im used to everyone being immediately aggressive and pushing things really quickly so here is a change of pace. Though it also throws off my natural scum detector.

2) god ive lost count of how many games ive played. Not a ton here but on my main site....god im probably around 5-6 digits. Ive never gotten the nerve to host here tbh.
3) and yes i know to win you need to crack deep into some brains. The thing is humans dont like being psychologically read. So you need them to feel comfortable.

Now for my input, I generally recall ELA as a decent scumhunter but I think on mafiascum specifically she can be a bit sociable beyond what dome might seem normal? Idk that's my impressions

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hey Tchill look buddy ol' man you're a great asset to this game but within the whole YAG vs Tchill thing I have to side with the latter.

Honestly your last couple of posts were good. I town binned him because I felt like he came into an inactive game and started trying to sort, but this puts that into question. Why don't you think it's enough to read him red?

Precisely why you town binned him. This is one interaction between another player that didn't sit good, but there's a lot of other interactions (that I haven't looked into fully

yet

, mind you) that are pretty good at plain level looking.
I might change my mind after digging deeper because I have yet to know what's actually there, but I have to finish my other thoughts before I loose them.

You know this might have a point, a scum in another game got pretty far doing what YAG has done at replace in

Did you mean YAG or tchill? Because I think that both myself and Lilly were talking about tchill here. I know I was.

YAG. Maybe it applies to TChill but why can't YAG be looked at that way too?

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bob, who's your current vote on and would you be willing to join us on roster?

I think the rooster wagon is just a bad wagon. Cant see any justification for it even gettign to 3 votes let alone 5. Or how you tried to push it 6.

I very much agree

VOTE: rosterVOTE:

What

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2.Laid out a test for gamma i'll find out if his town or scum and I don't need to use any powers to do all it requires is a bit of faith in him.

I must have missed this, where is it, I'l try to respond in good faith

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feels like you're trying to have it both ways without actually taking a stance between us

I mean I definitely feel like you represented that behavior pattern. Don't think Tchill did from my impression reading normally but I might see it on an overview, which I don't care to do rn, so unless someone else does it I'm not seeing it from Chilly. That doesn't make you confscum, either, it just makes me not feel like you should be locktowned rn.

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the only 2 people I strongly want to lynch today were so quick to vote me up

VOTE: Cliff
This might be the third.

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Plus, i don’t buy that he’s actually scum. I haven’t been reading too closely, but i feel like he’s getting pushed as scum for NAI reasons.

I think you're scummy too tho

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Plus, i don’t buy that he’s actually scum. I haven’t been reading too closely, but i feel like he’s getting pushed as scum for NAI reasons.

I think you're scummy too tho

Then you’re probably scum cuz i haven’t done crap all game

Nice

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I think it’s quite fair for me to not like that. We may be character alts, but I don’t believe I ever sheeped Cliff and acknowledged that I thought that read was 100% correct. It’s Day 1.

I think it’s incredibly fair for me to not like the wagon on Cliff, who has now become a town read based on the wagon on him, not him himself.

Sharon Tate is also part of the gang, and was someone I put in the proclaimed town block.

I did this on a recent Rick Dalton game as well. With Sakura Hana and Formerfish.

Guess what happened there? That ended up being the 3p lylo, and was a big 1v1 between FF and I, but in the end we caught ScumFF.

You actually did solving things that game -_-

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162 posts??? What is wrong with you, Carcalilly?

Catchup momentarily paused.

Nothing is wrong with Carcalilly lol
Let her enjoy the game

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Why are people voting Carca

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Woah, what's going on here?

According to my memory of the wiki, wagons on people who probably aren't even reading the thread right now are utterly useless. Move your votes from roster to anyone else, people.
Either roster will get replaced or will make a return and we can judge/lynch him then if he continues to actively lurk.

the savior has returned to offer his wisdom!!

Ah yes. People often refer to me as Hec "the saviour" tic.
Could someone edit this into my wiki please?

Woah, careful there buddy. If we let just anyone edit the wiki it wouldn't stay the ultimate repository of scumhunting knowledge would it. You're going to need a LOT more permits for that.

I'm going to let you in on a little secret here btw. It's generally pretty discouraged to use the wiki like you're doing. Obviously all of the information in it is perfect, so you'll easily find the scum, which ruins the game for everyone else. You're definitely going to get killed night one, and a lot of people probably think you're a bit of a jerk since using the wiki is considered cheating by like 90% of us. Obviously people don't like to acknowledge this, which is why they're pretending the wiki isn't perfect, but don't be fooled.

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@Hectic/Carcalilly: I'll want to hear why you like Garmr's read and why you agree/disagree with it. Nobody else weighed in there which is concerning me.

-Hop

You're allowed to maintain your own user page. You need permits to edit guides and such.

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I think it’s quite fair for me to not like that. We may be character alts, but I don’t believe I ever sheeped Cliff and acknowledged that I thought that read was 100% correct. It’s Day 1.

I think it’s incredibly fair for me to not like the wagon on Cliff, who has now become a town read based on the wagon on him, not him himself.

Sharon Tate is also part of the gang, and was someone I put in the proclaimed town block.

I did this on a recent Rick Dalton game as well. With Sakura Hana and Formerfish.

Guess what happened there? That ended up being the 3p lylo, and was a big 1v1 between FF and I, but in the end we caught ScumFF.

You actually did solving things that game -_-

Yup. But not Day 1.

You replaced in AFTER Day 1

Don't try to spin the facts to benefit your image, it makes my claws sharper

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If you truly think that me not doing anything is AI at all...

That’s just par for the course.

I don’t do stuff until I do stuff, either alignment, and when I do stuff, I take over.

I post whilst not invested to try to keep myself at least somewhat here to make it easier when I hard invest.

I'll talk about this later but I have a rebuttal to this

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Damn, now this is what I like...

All y’all vs me.

You guys will win because you’ll have the scum advantage

And I’ve looked at Cliff. I’ve been here kinda.

Do you think one in that group is scum or...?

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@dave weird flex but okay

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VOTE: cliff booth

Just checking in. Carca pointed out that not all players that flake have do so maliciously. Just assume I'm in that group. I'm pretty much just cutting my bullshit d1 out. Yall know how I progress in games lol. See yall D2.

I townread this because of TM2018 White Flag where tChill actually did flake as town, I feel like this is in line with the thing I do where I will refer to X game and say Y thing happened there and try to use that intel to boost my thinking.

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I'm going to chuck tchill on my scum list for post 1210. I'm starting to think cliff is town judging how the wagon is forming on him. It's like everyone jumped on something surface level scummy because they have been starved of obvious scum.

Don't see any real merit in the cliff wagon either.

Is this JUST for the vote? I feel the rest of the post is quite towny.

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I do find it funny (strange) that a couple people defend every wagon whether the recipient deserves it or not.

Btw who are you accusing of this

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Also do you know wtf Garmr's test is I've read the whole game through and idk what it is

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@Gamma

You remember the game where I rocked it and nailed the entire scum team by day 3 and no one listened to me? Yeah I get the feeling this game won't be like that. I feel as wonky as

FB

. So want to help me find some scum. Because I'm a little lost and I feel like your town.

Went ISO diving, Garmr was this your test?

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OH I NOTICED THAT
I just never spoke up because I thought you were actually crumbing.

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So I'm not dense it just worked too well

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...or was it well enough, I can't tell
Point is I wasn't as dense as you thought I was

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Btw, what does FoS mean? Field of Suspects?

Finger of Suspicion
Don't think it' on the wiki but it's a very common thing on my homesite

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That being said I don't understand why gamma is a top town read.

They are Masons! *Whistles*

Looks like the jig is up! We are actually masons, surprised it took you so long to figure it out.

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With anyone else maybe but our history kinda makes that not an option

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I remember that, but not where, could you remind me?

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Maybe? I guess it does kinda stand out.

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What's the VC

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I definitely hit prod range. Been busy, I’ll put some effort here soon.

PLEASE DO

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Rick thoughts on my claim pls

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I think we should lynch Rick Dalton

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Like I believe I put a note for myself to speak on this, anyway, Rick/Flavor likes to say his activity is NAI but I notice his trend seems to be he ends up straight lurking as scum. That seems to definitely be his game here. Like yea he also has active scum game but inactive town games seem to be a lot less common from him

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VOTE: Rick
Think I was on Cliff before

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SKs can be BP, but not always

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Titus vote Rick

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I got pissed off and didn’t feel like reading.

Then I read and Gamma’s just scum.

I’m an investigative. Gtfo

First off no way in hell you think an investigative CCs masons in a game this size. Second I'd like to see you justify a scumread on me in any other way.

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It’s just day 1 when I’m in multiple games

This feels exceptionally questionable
Is this a thing that has recently become a problem for you?

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I got pissed off and didn’t feel like reading.

Then I read and Gamma’s just scum.

I’m an investigative. Gtfo

First off no way in hell you think an investigative CCs masons in a game this size. Second I'd like to see you justify a scumread on me in any other way.

It wasn’t a CC.

This is a misrep.

Then why speak up when you're nowhere near a lynch, unless you're panicked scum?

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And like FL has blown up at town!me pushing him before as scum, in fact I think it's probably his default
Town!FL imo is pretty clearly more doubting that scum!FL

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Not until I have proof he’s Mason.

I’ve seen Gamma want to pull Mason gambits as not mason before.

He was town not mason too.

See this is why I was okay coming out along with past rapport with A50
And your reaction is shit. Carcalilly started calling me town super early I'm pretty sure. A fake Mason gambit (unless you're mastina) takes time to figure out at least as I see it, never done it before.

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CONTRADICTION YO

YOUVE BEEN THIRD DEGREE BOON’D

zzzzz
Maybe give me a chance to respond to your point before pulling this Ace Attorney gotcha crap

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I made the suggestion in the PT and then you called me out in main thread. That's not a Mason gambit wtf
Do I need to pull up a relevant Survivor clip

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And also, "proof he's a mason" do you want a rolecop result? A flip? Because that' pretty much all the proof you can get and that's either a) a dumb idea and not possible until at least night 1, or b) a really shitty play.

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Well I didn't want to personally, but JJD caught on, probably jokingly, and gamma just decided to confirm it.

Look back at every single time I mention gamma and tell me again that I joined this on a whim.

It’s easy to crumb in a fake mason fashion. I’m never gonna truly believe it.

Like sure, you may be masons. Doesn’t change the fact Gamma has a straight up incorrect application of the meta read.
And if you truly are masons, then this would be GOOD that I am pushing it like this because it protects from potential Night kills, which is another reason I’m not fully believing.

I don't believe my meta is incorrect. Maybe on my first real application of it, it was an extreme case. Doesn't change the fact you consistently by my recollection have used similar excuses for inactivity as scum.

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Also it doesn't matter that you're "protecting from NKs" if you're scum. You can say all sorts of stuff you don't believe man.
And following Carcalilly's lead of dropping meta, you have continually defended Cliff off of nothing but as I see it flimsy joke meme logic. So even dropping meta you STILL look bad.

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I’m like...only defensive as town.

I really recall you being defensive in Floral Mafia

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Juuuuust wanna make sure it's not AI for you before I go and make accusations.

I’m the most narcissistic player on site, however, I’m narcissistic for everyone I analyze and think everyone should just be proud and confident with their ability and really push their passions. That’s how I am in real life, but people see my genuineness, and I’m overly optimistic, and I’m a derpfuck as well, so it’s a nice blend.

The derpfuck lets me be likable, and the playful arrogance lets people sass me in fun ways.

I prefer rational self-analysis. Getting a big ego is a sure way to set yourself up for a nasty fall. And if you don't acknowledge your fuck-ups others will, and they will refuse to trust you from then on.

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I have never played two games that were alike so I assume people haven't either.

I could probably day this too but I don't because yes there may be contextual differences but similarities are similarities. Sure it might be coincidental but that doesn't mean you ignore it.

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You made a case that you could just state in a simple discussion thread

Actually what

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I think I was in that one and I pushed them too, but that was because the claim was totally wack

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Okay, I'll drop the meta point now. I don't feel convinced by it completely but going on just feels like filling space. However I do want you to answer for your weak defending of Cliff Booth.

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I think Hop is town and I think you + Cliff voting him together plus your early interactions were very probable scum+scum interaction
Like what is your whole logic for not wanting to lynch Cliff? As I see it the only things stated so far have been the group meme and not liking the wagon. Why is the wagon so bad?
Tbh should I know who Cliff is?

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I think Hop is town and I think you + Cliff voting him together plus your early interactions were very probable scum+scum interaction
Like what is your whole logic for not wanting to lynch Cliff? As I see it the only things stated so far have been the group meme and not liking the wagon. Why is the wagon so bad?
Tbh should I know who Cliff is?

If you're testing if Cliff and Rick were partners, why deviate from Cliff?

Because Rick felt extremely lacking

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I think Hop is town and I think you + Cliff voting him together plus your early interactions were very probable scum+scum interaction
Like what is your whole logic for not wanting to lynch Cliff? As I see it the only things stated so far have been the group meme and not liking the wagon. Why is the wagon so bad?
Tbh should I know who Cliff is?

If you're testing if Cliff and Rick were partners, why deviate from Cliff?

Because Rick felt extremely lacking

So? Your premise still needed the larger wagon to be scum right?

Hm?

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Titus, where are you going with this? :S

Not sure. I'm trying to understand Gamma and his motivations.

@Gamma, Did I confuse you?

Yeah, what larger wagon? Is that like a VCA point or?

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I wanted to pressure Rick specifically.
VOTE: Cliff since I think I've gone as far as I should.

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I specifically wanted to pressure Rick personally

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I specifically wanted to pressure Rick personally

I'm just face palming here.

Diverting from Cliff (scum) onto Rick likely only pressures Rick if Rick is town. Otherwise, it dilutes town vote power and makes a counter easier to create.

Does it not pressure Rick if he's scum tho

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The fact is I’ve straight up seen Gamma, in a neighborhood, claim masons. With me.

Yeah uh Billy
You kinda don't know what you're talking about

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Elements claimed SK but make of that what you will. I don't believe the claim personally.

I forgot about this.

Honestly, it could be mafia claiming SK to try to be “leashed”.

I hate that idea of leashing SK’s. Just kill them.

Saying things like that got me caught as scum in the past you know

Though I agree with the logic

I have a town game, on Rick Dalton even, where I pushed through and got a SK lynch because I hate leashing them.

I always look for the SK claim if necessary as mafia, so i think it’s worthless to leash them. They don’t win with town, they have no reason to be leashed.

What experience informs this?

No leashes. You guys aren't bitches. I don't need another dog.

Lol

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dave kinda flip flopped stances on carcalilly

where

Elements should probably be the lynch today.

I think he’s Mafia claiming SK amongst crumbing other roles to help him out of the situation.

I’m even getting sour on his wagon, and I think that was by design, like elements and company needed to convince me to move off of him.

I think that’s why the Gamma vs Rick started in the first place, maybe not started, but it heated up and scum probably added fuel to the fire if Gamma is town.

I have seen Elements on the table for a while and he has kinda been in my blind spot because I've just wanted him to be town for ego reasons but he hasn't actually felt like town
But just for breadth or whatever: can someone give a one sentence case on Elements?

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VOTE: Elements
Fuck it we got no time

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VOTE: elements

highest wagon.

what up gobble. I cant believe this game is asking for an extension lol.

Ew

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VOTE: elements

highest wagon.

what up gobble. I cant believe this game is asking for an extension lol.

I've just changed my mind.

VOTE: Tchill

VOTE: Chilly

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VOTE: cliff

i didnt know elements had claimed. i looked at the VC and voted.

weird that so many are voting a claim d1.

Elements just claimed, this is nasty as hell

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Another fucky scum numbers game and I end up on the losing side AGAIN
And like I might have avoided claiming if 1) it wasn’t JJD who freaking called me out and 2) if Carca didn’t ham it up way too hard early