bad postIn post 102, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Oh man, hectic and hopkirk are both going to make this game fun to read and infuriating to play. I don't have a clue how to read them, but it's enjoyable at least. Can't tell if carcalilly was joking, because that was a bit LAMIST. Carca were you joking?
VOTE: Carcalilly
Hectic's survivor crumb had me dying.
he's town then (or rather, not lying about being survivor)
because his tone is extremely earnest and passionate about the game. but if it was an old user doing a "haha i'm so new" gimmick then it wouldn't be as genuine
i don't know what LAMIST means, tbh.In post 145, Hectic wrote:JEEP's guide to catching mafia told me that naked votes with little explanation like this are usually bad.In post 131, YOUAREGREAT wrote:bad postIn post 102, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Oh man, hectic and hopkirk are both going to make this game fun to read and infuriating to play. I don't have a clue how to read them, but it's enjoyable at least. Can't tell if carcalilly was joking, because that was a bit LAMIST. Carca were you joking?
VOTE: Carcalilly
Hectic's survivor crumb had me dying.
vote: billy pilgrim
Do you dislike his post because he's LAMISTing it up and not scumhunting?
he's probably still town in that case. i'm sure some of the stuff he's saying is a meme, though.In post 149, Hopkirk wrote:What if he was an experienced mafia player, not necessarily with the experience being from mafiascum, with a 'sordid' history of memeing, and who had a humorous discussion with me last week about the flailing statistics.In post 139, YOUAREGREAT wrote:he's town then (or rather, not lying about being survivor)
because his tone is extremely earnest and passionate about the game. but if it was an old user doing a "haha i'm so new" gimmick then it wouldn't be as genuine
carca is probably townIn post 152, Carcalilly wrote:Was that, supposed to help me?!In post 140, Hectic wrote:122 is a masterpiece. I'll add one for you.
"This one time, Hopkirk used LAMIST in a game with me. The mod thought he was so obvtown, they turned him into an Innocent Child to save us all some time."
Hi Carca. I was reading through your wiki page and really getting to know you when I noticed something.In post 111, Carcalilly wrote:am I the only one who doesn't know who hectic is because it seems like y'all do
It seems like you've rolled an anti-town role as often as a town role (3 to 3). Does this mean you are more likely to roll town here because you are due more town games, or will the weighted trend continue and you will roll anti-town again?
I'd like some clarification, thanks.
I used to roll scum more than I would've liked actually, but no, I got town this time. Sort of a relief.
does this mean that you townread me too?In post 174, Hectic wrote:I like this read.In post 169, Hopkirk wrote: Hectic's a hard null for me so far, but I like YAG.
now i feel like you're trying to piggyback off of hopkirk & i's readIn post 178, Hectic wrote:Oh, wow, that makes 4 now!In post 173, YOUAREGREAT wrote:hopirk posting that carca is town on the exact same minute that i posted carca is town probably makes all three of us town
I've heard about this on the wiki, are we forming atownblock?
that's a fair explanation. what reads do you have right now?In post 183, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Ok makes sense. It's early, so this was basically my way of directing a question to Carcalilly while we are still in LIVS. LAMIST means look at me I'm so town. Her comment about worrying about Hectic pointing out breadcrumbs in response to what I thought was a pretty obvious joke came across to me as her trying to score easy townpoints. That's why I asked if it was a joke. And I didn't read it as a joke initially, which is why I directed the vote there.In post 165, YOUAREGREAT wrote:i don't know what LAMIST means, tbh.In post 145, Hectic wrote:JEEP's guide to catching mafia told me that naked votes with little explanation like this are usually bad.In post 131, YOUAREGREAT wrote:bad postIn post 102, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Oh man, hectic and hopkirk are both going to make this game fun to read and infuriating to play. I don't have a clue how to read them, but it's enjoyable at least. Can't tell if carcalilly was joking, because that was a bit LAMIST. Carca were you joking?
VOTE: Carcalilly
Hectic's survivor crumb had me dying.
vote: billy pilgrim
Do you dislike his post because he's LAMISTing it up and not scumhunting?
i didn't like the post because it was a long way of saying "i have no reads" while trying to appear to be substantive. and the questioning of carca + the immediate vote makes me feel like he genuinely wasn't interested in learning carca's perspective, and did it as filler.
he's probably still town in that case. i'm sure some of the stuff he's saying is a meme, though.In post 149, Hopkirk wrote:What if he was an experienced mafia player, not necessarily with the experience being from mafiascum, with a 'sordid' history of memeing, and who had a humorous discussion with me last week about the flailing statistics.In post 139, YOUAREGREAT wrote:he's town then (or rather, not lying about being survivor)
because his tone is extremely earnest and passionate about the game. but if it was an old user doing a "haha i'm so new" gimmick then it wouldn't be as genuine
And as for my comments that I can't read Hectic and Hopkirk, I mean that. The jokey posts come across as though they're not game solving, but they're legit nai, so sorting them is tough. Yet for some reason I decided to torture myself by replacing into this game.
my overall read on you is town, but the timing of you townreading carca and then trying to get in on the "town-bloc" felt manipulative. my reads aren't static this early in the game, i call it like i see it.In post 231, Hectic wrote:So if I understand it correctly. Your read on me has went from Genuine Town>Scum piggybacking>Town?In post 203, YOUAREGREAT wrote:i take it back. hectic is probably lying about being a survivor for reactions but he's still probably town
I've consulted the wiki and apparently it's useful to ask people about their though process when it comes to reads changing.
So: What caused the second change in your read?
In post 302, Skellen wrote:Ok, reading 12 pages for a start is also something new I guess. Will just go on with what stuck to me.
Hectic is hard to read with this memeing behaviour, however I feel a townie mindset is recognizable between all this. I felt particularly in the beginning he tried to sort some players and his votes looked to me like they a had a constructive intention. I guess.
YAG is also giving me kind of positive vibes. More for the development of her thought process on Hectic after him trying to sneak into the town-bloc thing, I feel like scum wouldn't really bother to share this doubt.
Don't like Elements so far. He is one of the top posters here which makes him look quite active but most his posts feel hollow/don't contribute much at all. VOTE: Elements
this seems like a pretty big reach to me. i don't like that you're assuming the most uncharitable explanation for carca's actions while simultaneously giving the most charitable explanation for mine. especially since you implied you thought carcailly was town in #366.In post 526, Billy Pilgrim wrote: I think Carca saying that two players had green pms was a scum slip, and I think Hopkirk is either also slipping or just getting me to out this, so here's the sample pm from post 1.
I don't know if that's gonna get the coding right, (I'm doing this from my phone) but the town pm was white. I know that it's normally green, so I think Carca slipped scum based on a guess from experience. I think YAG was confused by the green pm phrase because she's new and she didn't get a green pm this time around. Hop, why'd you ask how it was a slip?Here is an example of a Vanilla Townie role PM:
Welcome, ____, to Large Normal 223. Your role is Vanilla Townie.
You have no special powers.
You win when all mafia members are dead and at least one town member remains alive. The game thread is HERE.
VOTE: Carcalilly
i like this post because i was having similar feelings about JJD. i don't mind gimmicks, but it feels like he's going out of his way to avoid gamesolving. and his scum-list in #537 is just lazy. he implies that he has no reason to townread anybody in it, which would imply thatIn post 546, Elements wrote:I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the gameIn post 543, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.In post 516, Carcalilly wrote:pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason
why do you think skellen & i are scummy? skellen has postedIn post 589, Tchill13 wrote:People voting judge look like people that want to stay busy by voting an active player that's not been talked about as far as widely town read goes.
Why are ppl voting judge? I haven't seen anything from them scummy.
Do people really not think skellen or YOUAREGREAT are scummy?
i must have missed it.In post 595, Garmr wrote:quite sad you are great never reacted to me.
In post 599, Garmr wrote:Yag is a very naughty girl.In post 592, Carcalilly wrote:I have some concerns with skellen but their lack of posing worries me.In post 589, Tchill13 wrote:People voting judge look like people that want to stay busy by voting an active player that's not been talked about as far as widely town read goes.
Why are ppl voting judge? I haven't seen anything from them scummy.
Do people really not think skellen or YOUAREGREAT are scummy?
how is YAG any bad?
feels like a cop-outIn post 605, profii wrote:Will explain day 2In post 529, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Where was my scumslip?In post 431, profii wrote:If we are going to make a point about this then.... if anything.... Billy made a scum slip tbhIn post 426, Hopkirk wrote:Surely not knowing what a green pm is would be a scumslip? I don't think it's either, but I don't get why it would be a townslip (please explain)?
why?In post 622, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think JJD is town rn actuallyIn post 553, Carcalilly wrote:That's juicy enough to sheepIn post 546, Elements wrote:I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the gameIn post 543, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.In post 516, Carcalilly wrote:pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason
VOTE: Judge Joseph
it was one of those posts that pinged my gut as "scummy" but that i couldn't quite articulate with my thoughts. it felt like skellen expedited the process of getting reads and was just kind of throwing names at a wall. the reasoning for tr'ign hectic looks rushed, especially with the "i guess" at the end. and the immediate vote on elements for "not contributing much" is weak too.In post 418, Tchill13 wrote:What's not to like?In post 379, YOUAREGREAT wrote:In post 302, Skellen wrote:Ok, reading 12 pages for a start is also something new I guess. Will just go on with what stuck to me.
Hectic is hard to read with this memeing behaviour, however I feel a townie mindset is recognizable between all this. I felt particularly in the beginning he tried to sort some players and his votes looked to me like they a had a constructive intention. I guess.
YAG is also giving me kind of positive vibes. More for the development of her thought process on Hectic after him trying to sneak into the town-bloc thing, I feel like scum wouldn't really bother to share this doubt.
Don't like Elements so far. He is one of the top posters here which makes him look quite active but most his posts feel hollow/don't contribute much at all. VOTE: Elements
i dont like this post but i'm not sure why
Hectic memeing but gets a TR for "mindset" that is apparently discernable? I find that odd.
Looks like they're beginning to lean town on you. I'm sure you enjoy that though.
And elements is called out for hollow posting, which I would agree with more than I disagree with it, BUT I understand where elements is coming from regarding d1.
So is it a hectic tr you don't like? A TR of yourself you don't like? Or is it them correctly calling out elements hollow posting that you don't like?
that's fair. my issue with his scumlist is that it has 13 players. not only do i think that 13 players in a scumlist is so useless that it barely counts as a scumlist, i don't buy that he had a townread on the other 8 players so early into the game.In post 667, Gamma Emerald wrote:When he put me in his suspect pool and then quickly retracted that after seeing one of my posts it gave me the adsense his sorting is genuine.In post 662, YOUAREGREAT wrote:why?In post 622, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think JJD is town rn actuallyIn post 553, Carcalilly wrote:That's juicy enough to sheepIn post 546, Elements wrote:I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the gameIn post 543, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.In post 516, Carcalilly wrote:pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason
VOTE: Judge Joseph
wanna break some of those townreads down for me?In post 668, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Which is trueIn post 662, YOUAREGREAT wrote:which would imply that every other player towntold.
skillful dodge of the questionIn post 673, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:I'm not a Cook, so I wouldn't want to break any eggs rn.In post 670, YOUAREGREAT wrote:wanna break some of those townreads down for me?In post 668, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Which is trueIn post 662, YOUAREGREAT wrote:which would imply that every other player towntold.
i don't think it's reasonable unless i hear an explanation from JJD, which he is openly refusing to doIn post 674, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think your thinking is fair but it's not really a scummy thing. And I think it is totally reasonable to have 8 townreads at that point.In post 669, YOUAREGREAT wrote:that's fair. my issue with his scumlist is that it has 13 players. not only do i think that 13 players in a scumlist is so useless that it barely counts as a scumlist, i don't buy that he had a townread on the other 8 players so early into the game.In post 667, Gamma Emerald wrote:When he put me in his suspect pool and then quickly retracted that after seeing one of my posts it gave me the adsense his sorting is genuine.In post 662, YOUAREGREAT wrote:why?In post 622, Gamma Emerald wrote:I think JJD is town rn actuallyIn post 553, Carcalilly wrote:That's juicy enough to sheepIn post 546, Elements wrote:I'm agreeing with whomever said JJD is hiding behind his gimmick to not play the gameIn post 543, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Stay focused. A reputable Judge like myself would NEVER break the LAW. I ENFORCE the law. I AM THE LAW.In post 516, Carcalilly wrote:pffft elements I might be starting to agree with you on the jjd thing for a different reason
VOTE: Judge Joseph
you have eight townreads. i don't believe that you townread all eight of these people because they crumbed a special role. that's why i asked you to elaborate on some of your townreads, because it gave you the chance to share your thought process on some people you think have specifically alignment-told.In post 683, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:Just remember this one incident because in any future game if I have a TR on you that required explanation I will promptly state that you crumbed your role (and direct everyone to where you did it) because that's soooooo town motivated. Of course, I would have other TRs that did not crumb, and even if some of them did then I will still deny the fact they did, so I will be like "I won't explain anything except for this cute butch lady who had crumbed THIS.." *points*In post 676, YOUAREGREAT wrote:i don't think it's reasonable unless i hear an explanation from JJD, which he is openly refusing to do
Disclaimer: Butch is in NO WAY meant to be offending. It was just put right after "cute" to reaffirm that I'm not doing this thing they call "hitting on someone" and that I did realize your location beforehand. After all, I am not AP. THAT's the guy that would hit on anything that moves, even a pregnant ant.
okay, you've convinced me. this is a good post. i don't scumread you anymore.In post 692, Judge Joseph Dredd wrote:I do believe that to be the case. And you obviously never played with someone like Wisdom, but that's a whole lot of another bucket.In post 685, YOUAREGREAT wrote:maybe i'm confusing our conflicting playstyles with you being scummy
Seriously though, it's a combination of how they phrase their posts for some and how they react to stuff for everyone. Stuff maybe stuff I said or stuff someone else said. I know how X would react to something. I know Y would see "that thing" as an opportunity to push a mislynch on someone. So, when "that thing" happens and they don't push it, and -in fact- try to find the town motive behind it I figure this isn't their scum game.
I'll give you one example (and one example only) as a means to elaborate on the idea: profii asked me if I had asked him something to convey that I was town )this happened after IO posted my list, I know, but it's a good example, and it also confirmed my read on him). The question he was referring to was me asking if he had a personal PT. He was the Cop in that game (in which I was the mod), and he thought I was crumbing Cop. Andalthough I am a CopI told him that wasn't my intention. For profii to think that was a crumb is NAI, but for him to ask the way he did rather than just keep silent and deal with me at night is town indicative.
Also, many players (you included) keep referring to my "scum pool list" as such, when I clearly said I had no reason to TR them yet it didn't mean I FoS them all. I dunno why people like to be selective in their comprehension of what's been typed. Most people read something and it translates into something else in their minds and then they keep assuming that's the truth.
Take a look at my recent back & forth with Hopkirk. I say I have a TOWN LEAN on Hectic and he wastes like 2 pages arguing I had a scum lean on the guy. That's too stupid to be pushed as scum indicative of Hopkirk, because he was quoting my post every single time, so it's clearly he had a brain fart and decided what he misread was the truth. In his mind he believed I has a scum lean on Hectic despite the test he was quoting said otherwise.
SO, all I ask is for people to read what I sayas it is. Don't assume any hidden meanings (especially if you have no experience with me). If I say I am a Cop (I just did a few lines above) just assume that I am claiming a Cop of some sorts, and act upon it.
my biggest issue with your play is that it's felt like you're detached from genuinely scumhunting, and you've been pushing on the easiest targets. it's not inherently scummy to scumread both me and skellen, but it felt like you were frothing at the mouth to find somebody that you thought would be easy to pick on. it feels like you're picking on lower-activity players and blending in with the rest of the game.
i went out of my way to question you about your reads and you refused to answer them. and then i asked why you were being universally townread. and this is the way you're framing it? disingenuous as hell, my dude.In post 844, Tchill13 wrote:I fos'd her and that was her response lol.
feels like you're trying to have it both ways without actually taking a stance between usIn post 975, Gamma Emerald wrote:YAG. Maybe it applies to TChill but why can't YAG be looked at that way too?In post 946, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Did you mean YAG or tchill? Because I think that both myself and Lilly were talking about tchill here. I know I was.In post 921, Gamma Emerald wrote:You know this might have a point, a scum in another game got pretty far doing what YAG has done at replace inIn post 864, Carcalilly wrote:Precisely why you town binned him. This is one interaction between another player that didn't sit good, but there's a lot of other interactions (that I haven't looked into fullyIn post 862, Billy Pilgrim wrote:Honestly your last couple of posts were good. I town binned him because I felt like he came into an inactive game and started trying to sort, but this puts that into question. Why don't you think it's enough to read him red?In post 858, Carcalilly wrote:hey Tchill look buddy ol' man you're a great asset to this game but within the whole YAG vs Tchill thing I have to side with the latter.yet, mind you) that are pretty good at plain level looking.
I might change my mind after digging deeper because I have yet to know what's actually there, but I have to finish my other thoughts before I loose them.
man i really don't like this postIn post 1065, davesaz wrote:Ooh, let me guess. People think you're town but you're not?In post 1062, Cliff Booth wrote:A few votes have been made on others with reasoning that could easily also be applied to me. That makes me think that maybe people think I'm something that I'm not?
VOTE: Cliff Booth
BTW that's not just a joke vote. I happen to agree that the reasoning [not scumhunting] applies to you. Prove me wrong.
i doubt that i have. but are you implying that it would be impossible for me to scumread you if i haven't played with you before? is there some secret special meta i should be aware of that would clear you as town?In post 1196, davesaz wrote:Have we played before? I kinda doubt it.In post 1186, YOUAREGREAT wrote:man i really don't like this postIn post 1065, davesaz wrote:Ooh, let me guess. People think you're town but you're not?In post 1062, Cliff Booth wrote:A few votes have been made on others with reasoning that could easily also be applied to me. That makes me think that maybe people think I'm something that I'm not?
VOTE: Cliff Booth
BTW that's not just a joke vote. I happen to agree that the reasoning [not scumhunting] applies to you. Prove me wrong.
i liked cliff's #750 toward judge jospeh dredd. it seemed earnest and unusually forward for scum to post. the only thing i dislike from his ISO is him jumping on the elements wagon when it was convenient for him to do so. i can't really get behind the wagon on him.
i would vote in tchill or dave or possiby billypilgrim right now, but i need to do some iso'ing
Have you been reading all of my posts, and understanding all of the meaning?