Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps
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With a few votes already on FB, this feels weird. I also dislike calling Pine out directly 'for not picking him', it feels unnatural.In post 135, Aristophanes wrote:VOTE: FB
Obvscum.
Also, Pine, you're going down for not picking me, ya goddamned bastard! XD
Pings me.In post 174, chennisden wrote:Hi my name is chennisden, though you can call me obvtown.
In post 183, chennisden wrote:NOT cool pine. This TIME you've really fucking done it. Calling me out as part of your scumteam TO discredit me is such a low move. I just want to take a BUS out of this town and leave, but I can't do that YET.
ehhhhh going the lazy way from the get go? Now if you'd wanna policy the spammers in a game this size that would be funny, but the lurkers?In post 203, DrippingGoofball wrote:My overarching strategy in this game will be to lynch lurkers.
Innapropriate languageIn post 210, chennisden wrote:Chickadee sucm.
In post 214, PenguinPower wrote:I like dragonfruit.
You called?Rawr!
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i'll just wait until you get back to battle youIn post 224, the worst wrote:Like Gamma and pops a tiny tiny bit. I actually like Ank a tiny bit too. Got a small warm fuzzy from Fireb's opening posts. Leaving on a ferry now gl remember to lynch Ari d1
Hi Chennis. Please tell your buddies in the PT the dragon is coming for them.In post 306, chennisden wrote:Lazy votes guys.
The FB wagon is weird (though fb is scummy), not sure why worst is being wagoned at all, and whoever is scumreading ank please stop
1) Calls FB wagon weird.
2) Proceeds to call FB scummy
I'm not even sure this qualifies as fencesitting but I don't like it. Is filler with empty statement about wagons and seemingly random town reads?In post 312, Chickadee wrote:I think all the current wagons are bad.
But I don't have a better suggestion at the moment.
I like FB, Dann, and MariaR for town.
Ehhhh again the same.In post 328, chennisden wrote:Maria you dont sound like your town self.
But I agree with a lot of the points you're making. Who cares if it's RVS, you're accountable for your fucking votes
Also "dont try to read me until d2" isn't great
1)'Maria you don't sound like your town self'.
2) 'I agree with a lot of what you are saying'.
Plz keep scumclaiming and defending your buddies.
This actually feels town. It has a 'who the fuck cares' mentality and an 'im gonna do me' kind of approach that doesn't come from scum.In post 344, Chickadee wrote:I don't really have a counterargument. I just want fruit. I know I'm town and that's good enough for me. I'm not here to be liked. I'm here to drown in a huge game, and god damn if I'm gonna drown and be miserable, I'm gonna eat fruit.
I don't dislike the plan of Ali suggesting fruit bargainers, but there's nothing to say Pine has to go for anyone Ali suggests. And Ali doesn't have all the answers anyway.
Are you scumreading him? Why? I think his early game interactions wrt Pine and the fruit were kinda town.
And he's town because of it. I doubt those interactions are S/S and he's being wagoned…In post 431, Alisae wrote:Firebringer is having the time of his life right now
Cheniiis much better wagon imo
yeaaahhhh
Feels like trying to derail whatever discussion is going on. Just don't like the feel of this post.
Dannflor sees the same here, he can be townIn post 567, Dannflor wrote:yo chennis why is Menalque opportunistic and why is it scummyRawr!
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First of all, FB's interactions with Pine and the fruit don't read like S/S. You said it yourself, FB seems to be having a great time playing games there, and I don't think those are scum interactions.Rawr!
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In post 589, Alisae wrote:Be as deep as possible!Rawr!
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Dann get's an early townread from me because he questions the same thing I saw with Chennis's posts regarding opportunismRawr!
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Chikadee's townread is more feel then the other ones. This post in particular feels very 'free flowing'. Not caring. No agenda. 'I'm not here to be liked'.In post 344, Chickadee wrote:I don't really have a counterargument. I just want fruit. I know I'm town and that's good enough for me. I'm not here to be liked. I'm here to drown in a huge game, and god damn if I'm gonna drown and be miserable, I'm gonna eat fruit.
I don't dislike the plan of Ali suggesting fruit bargainers, but there's nothing to say Pine has to go for anyone Ali suggests. And Ali doesn't have all the answers anyway.
This is town doing it's own goddamn thing and the others can suck it if they don't like it. It reads like town to me I don't think I can put it any other way.Rawr!
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Meh. Disagree.In post 595, Alisae wrote:noBadRawr!
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In post 758, chennisden wrote:iconeum's read is also completely made up btw but he's defending his friend menalqueRawr!
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A lot of fluff in his ISO but the ones that pinged me
194 and 202 contradict each other. It feels like he went 'oh wait i'd better not townread that slot'
gets a nullscum read in 249
not much else in there, a couple readslist and it feels like gamma is more concerned making these then actual scumhunting/pushingRawr!
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they claimed?In post 998, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Isn't chennis one of the masons? This looks like a bad post if so. Also yeah I'm not pushing much because I'm behind, way to go after an easy targetIn post 985, Iconeum wrote:chennis my boy instead of shading me why don't you talk about it in a little more depth?
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also easy target? did you read my early case on him?Rawr!
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i'm here to talk about why you think it's badIn post 1002, Gamma Emerald wrote:And like if I'm wrong then whatever but it looks pretty bad from Iconeum, plus going after me like that is bad too
but same as with chennis, both of you are scumreading me right after I post a scumread on you guys so ehhhRawr!
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come at me if you think i'm making up cases against you
but don't both of you just stand there calling my cases on you bad and then scumreading me for itRawr!
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but you posting stuff that pinged me, has nothing to do with you being behind?In post 1015, Gamma Emerald wrote:I mean that I'm an easy target because I'm behindRawr!
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You quoted a post, say you townread it. Then you come back and go 'hey i was only kidding i'm totally scumreading that post'. Then you put Maria as nullscum but you don't engage or anything over it. Feels to me like posting reads for the sake of posting reads and not wanting to get stuck with a townread you can't hold up.In post 1026, Iconeum wrote:
but you posting stuff that pinged me, has nothing to do with you being behind?In post 1015, Gamma Emerald wrote:I mean that I'm an easy target because I'm behind
Saying I posted this because you are an easy target for being behind is bleh.Rawr!
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I dunno. Not wanting to have a townread on Maria. I have trouble with someone saying they read a post and think that's one thing, to come back in and then say they actually think the complete opposite. To me that doesn't feel natural.In post 1032, the worst wrote:
Which scum!Gamma does... why?In post 1030, Iconeum wrote:You quoted a post, say you townread it. Then you come back and go 'hey i was only kidding i'm totally scumreading that post'. Then you put Maria as nullscum but you don't engage or anything over it. Feels to me like posting reads for the sake of posting reads and not wanting to get stuck with a townread you can't hold up.
I'm open but I thought Gamma's seemingly unprompted sloppy turnaround on Maria was more likely to be a real thought, it's possible I missed like, him being questioned on it and panicking or smth? which might be a little more spicy but aorn I'm like "I see Ico going for a lynch" and that has me like >:/
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did you see that i was pushing chennis as well?In post 1036, the worst wrote:his kind of tunnel is firmly within your scumrangeRawr!
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You mean right after and right before they were shooting and stabbing and killing each other relentlessly? Right?In post 1419, Formerfish wrote:During fighting in WWI between the Germans and the French both sides put down their arms on Christmas, crawled out of the trenches and greeted their enemy as friends on the battlefield in honor of the holiday.Rawr!
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Someone wanna talk to me? I'm caught up but I still feel a bit lost...
I don't have any kind of experience with the likes of LLD and ICE and I'm unsure what to think of the argument that happened. I feel the claim is probably town, scum team in a game this size *probably* have stronger claims to work with. I don't read LLD as scum, and apparently ICE and LLD are a thing so are they just pressing each others buttons or is ICE actually scumreading LLD?
Also, both of my early game scummy reads were dismissed for all kinds of wrong reasons. I would've understood if they simply got dismantled for being bad or wrong, but gamma days I pushed him for being behind which is simply untrue, and chennis never even responded past 'this is bad mkay'.
After my little engagement with the duck it turned out gamma only changed his read AFTER being called out on it, and that's important.
@Formerfish, sure it's entirely possible to change ones mind on something but I think the progression as seen in game is off. Do you think this is scum!me pushing bad cases just for the sake of it?Rawr!
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If you call Mena out for this, why not the active lurkers?In post 1506, Formerfish wrote:Mena has been awful quiet lately, anyone else notice that?Rawr!
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Well, why shouldn't I? You target 1 player specifically for being quiet, while I think players like Sky are doing worse. You say Sky's been doing Sky, but I don't see it.In post 1513, Formerfish wrote:Why do you care who I call out and for what?Rawr!
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Not looking to engage with you specifically. But most of the conversation is over my head and I feel better doing my own thing. And you did step in when I called out gamma. You ignored the actually scummy part of it. Then you dismissed my defence at the worst as well. Now you are calling out 1 specific person for not being here, while I feel there are worse slots that are doing that. So yeah.In post 1518, Formerfish wrote:
I mean, you could let me do what i want to do and leave me alone like you know you should do. But you seem like you wanna engage with me for some reason.In post 1516, Iconeum wrote:
Well, why shouldn't I? You target 1 player specifically for being quiet, while I think players like Sky are doing worse. You say Sky's been doing Sky, but I don't see it.In post 1513, Formerfish wrote:Why do you care who I call out and for what?
I dont know if you are trying to poke me or if this is something real you wanna talk about.In post 1517, Iconeum wrote:I don't like how you were coming to gamma's defense while there wasn't that much to defend over
Menalq definitely had the most pressure tho, sure.Rawr!
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How are you even gonna try micromanaging a game of this magnitude? Using WIFOM as a means of defense right now is weak, just like your previous reply to my first gaze in your general direction.In post 1833, chennisden wrote:the best way to find scum chennis is if he is micromanaging the gamestate
im not
also, the gain i have as scum by not micromanaging the gamestate and say "lol im not scum bc im not micromanaging" is WAY less than the gain i have as scum by micromanaging.
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I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.
However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lolRawr!
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But chennis is actually scumIn post 2170, Alisae wrote:
vote itIn post 2167, Iconeum wrote:I don't really see a scum LLD in her ISO. Most of the votes on her seem to come from the fact full commuter is probably a scum claim. But if LLD really is this great 'force of nature', wouldn't she know that claim would hurt her in the long run rather then help? I see a lot of talk and respect towards LLD for being this mastermind-like player, but I don't buy that she would claim something compromising like that, then.
However, letting LLD live now would probably only cause more distraction on D2. It's a good information flip because if this flips town then there's guaranteed scum in the LLD pushers. I can imagine those trees shaking through there roots knowing there's a possible unkilleable LLD out there lolRawr!
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Yeah no I just don't see LLD as scum. I know i'm far from the best player in this game but i'm here and I stick to my gut now.
Most of the votes on LLD are literally 'you claim commuter? SCUMMMMM'
How easy is it for actual scum to follow that, huh? I bet Pine is laughing his ass off in his little forest right nowRawr!
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I've got 99 scumreads but this bitch ain't oneIn post 2183, Formerfish wrote:
Ive heard there might be upwards of 6 scumbags we can murder.In post 2175, Iconeum wrote:But chennis is actually scum
Ali i love u and ur letter to me, but i'm here to stop you from making a mistake
I know how you can get when you have that kind of read, I think it's wrong
I'm not in this game to be puppeted by you, but I will protect you from Evil!Rawr!
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wait why are you scumreading pops?In post 2208, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:The worst part is I think Pops is scum and he's the only one I can fkn talk to who understands lmfao
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Thoughts on gamma and the worst?In post 2202, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:In post 1994, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Like IMO the 6 scum probably look something like...
Xof
JJH
Pops
One and only one of ank/Chen
One and only one of Pink Ball and Kraft
And one and only one of Maria and Katsuki.
Based on drafting expectations and play so far. Listed in order of confidenceRawr!
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Ali that's my point! It's not really a towny claim. It's just not. But she claimed it anyway, while far away from being lynched.In post 2214, Alisae wrote:IconWhats town about a full unrestricted commuter?And why do you give it to a hot head, who isn’t always super obvtown, doesn’t have the best reads, but is strong when it comes to game sense?Why do you give a super powerscum scum player a full commuter when they’re town? Especially since Jingle is townsiding here.
LLD. Claimed. A. Role. That. Would. Draw. Attention.
Why would scum!LLD do that?Rawr!
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I'm 100% sure there are players in this list that are extremely hard to read. If you give commuter to town, why not give it to someone very much capable of obvtowning down the road? I don't know LLD but from what i've seen I think she's probabllllyy capable of doing soIn post 2220, Iconeum wrote:Why do you give a super powerscum scum player a full commuter when they’re townRawr!
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We played as scum together in that yolo all vig something game?In post 2223, Formerfish wrote:
Icon did we have a scum game together recently?In post 2220, Iconeum wrote:
Ali that's my point! It's not really a towny claim. It's just not. But she claimed it anyway, while far away from being lynched.In post 2214, Alisae wrote:IconWhats town about a full unrestricted commuter?And why do you give it to a hot head, who isn’t always super obvtown, doesn’t have the best reads, but is strong when it comes to game sense?Why do you give a super powerscum scum player a full commuter when they’re town? Especially since Jingle is townsiding here.
LLD. Claimed. A. Role. That. Would. Draw. Attention.
Why would scum!LLD do that?
Please. Read ANY of my town games and say that's actually AI afterwards?In post 2225, Firebringer wrote:iconeum r u doing that scum thing u did last time with me where u just ask questions all gameRawr!
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But I like my questionsIn post 2236, Firebringer wrote:
maybe u should just not ask questions anymoreIn post 2232, Iconeum wrote:Please. Read ANY of my town games and say that's actually AI afterwards?Rawr!
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oooh you mean the game where you wanted to kill me really badly (i was town) and where scum had me pocketed so deeply I could feel his balls?In post 2238, Formerfish wrote:Sorry Icon, but this is deja vu mate. You got snowed in the same with with whathisslut in our game and i wanted to murder you.Rawr!
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It's not meta, it was one game. And the only reason I got pocketed in the first place is because Mr. Fish had a hard-on for killing me. He had it completely figured out I was scum. But I wasn't. The last scum stepped in to defend me and one thing lead to another.In post 2247, GreyICE wrote:Iconeum's self meta is of a game where he describes himself as pocketed by scum.
Iconeum, did you do any self-reflection as a result of that game?
Self-reflection? What I learned from that game is to not blindly assume someone is town just because they are defending you. But FF is leaving out a few details of what exactly happened there.
You were wrong about me in that particular game and your obsession and unwillingness to reconsider your read lead to me being pocketed. I don't easily sheep, especially when I have a read of my own. I am not voting someone for these terrible reasons, and would much rather prefer going after the likes of Chennis who are literally standing in the shadows of a tree right now.In post 2249, Formerfish wrote:Ico, This is one of those games where you need to realize that you dont know stuff and that other people who seem to know stuff, like Ice, are telling you a thing. Listen to the thing, and be smug tomorrow if Ice is wrong.
Use the wagon to hunt and find scum. Like the game is played each and every timeRawr!
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Not how I remember that game tho. It wasn't until you stepped in I actually buddied up there (or got buddied, whatever). I also remember the game having a mech solve but you being too stubborn to accept it because it involved lynching you first and we almost lost the game because of thatIn post 2275, Formerfish wrote:Not relitigating it, but you were pocketed before i showed up, you and your scum buddy were backed up against the wall fighting off the whole world. Then we lynched a hidden scummer and it was between you and the actual scum.You couldnt get out of your own way and it almost lost us that game.
So please, don't twist that game to fit your narrative hereRawr!
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Me and FF care. Especially when it's being used as a means to puppet me.In post 2276, Aristophanes wrote:Who cares about whatever other game you're discussing and why does it matter here?
And LLD Should Not Be LynchedRawr!
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I'm waiting for your self-vote here, DGIn post 203, DrippingGoofball wrote:My overarching strategy in this game will be to lynch lurkers.Rawr!
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Chennis scum:
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All posts after this are fluff, standing in the shadows under the protection of his evil Overlord, Pine.Rawr!
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rawr!
so ehh anything interesting happened these last 100 or so pages?
before is start reading, obviously… obviously…Rawr!
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It's one thing to call it out, but not follow through on this with actions is badIn post 6837, MariaR wrote:Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it
I agree with thisIn post 6840, Dannflor wrote:
uhhhh I need to reread Maria?In post 6837, MariaR wrote:Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it
weirdly fencesitty post for her and not a good look especially if Krazy flips town here
Not if ur not voting there. You are saying x-flip is good and will provide information but you take no action to further what you are saying. And the first person who calls you out on this you instantly call 'setupish'. Overdefensive.In post 6845, MariaR wrote:
I don't need to make fencesitty posts as scum when I can get out of any read based on that logic. If this is how you feel the correct way to play it would be to wait until after the flip and then ask me.In post 6840, Dannflor wrote:
uhhhh I need to reread Maria?In post 6837, MariaR wrote:Krazy dying is fine I suppose? He's not obv town and the flip gives information. I'm good with it
weirdly fencesitty post for her and not a good look especially if Krazy flips town here
So, why does scum me fence sit here? Because to me this feels setupishRawr!
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i'm doing my best to get a grip on this game
currently trying to determine mastina's motivations for the push on you
from what i've actually read I could only see a LOT of meta and I don't like thatRawr!
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I don't really care for the Krazy wagon. However the post you I quoted combined with this one reads a lot like you are setting yourself up for a buss if need be.In post 6900, MariaR wrote:@ico If Krazy gets close to lynch I'll vote him, for now if I see a better wagon I'm gonna wait it out. You don't need my 1 vote on his wagon if you have that big a problem with it do somethingRawr!
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Maybe not a bus, but a justification for a late vote switch
I don't know why you would do that as either allignmentRawr!
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