Alisae V Pine: Trees Apparently Make Good Treestumps

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Ilu Jingle

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we're all gonna die anyway wouldn't you all rather die with wooper?

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No punk bill use your alt Ellibereth

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my point stands!!

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gah I guess this is a one use alt then

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No replacing in to alts that Pine is afraid of after they murdered his whole scumteam.

almost*

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I still love ducks

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I do but I'll wait for alisae I guess grumble grumble

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I still love ducks

How about geese?

Geese are awful.

are we still playing mafia?

...were we ever?

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I still love ducks

How about geese?

Geese are awful.

finally...

Hahahaha that's outstanding. <3

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If there's scum in that block it's probs icon over krazy. weirdly I do trust Pine to make an earnest trichotomy there but I wouldn't gamble the game on it. I think it was clearly engineered to prompt Titus to herovig (and miss horrifically) rather than shooting sensibly. So the deception is clear, and how many scum is in there isn't really something that needs to be discussed in a whole lot of detail :/

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idk; seems out of character for him to lie abt that. did you read the rest of my post where I called this conversation fucking stupid and the bit where I said I wouldn't gamble the game on it tho?

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It was definitely constructed to manipulate her. The idea of actually nabbing scum!pops would have been fucking hard to resist if she felt that way.

pedit: woop woop wooper wooooop >:c

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I thought it was super obvious that I was trusting pops and was trying to fish for her role

I probably would never have vigged pops personally but imagine thinking she was the deepwolf. that would have been a real insidious fear.

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Whatever, I don’t really care because I literally feel like I’m not allowed to scumread anyone because of all the shit that gets flung towards me for doing so.

As soon as you feel this you are being manipulated away from having reads.

THIS IS A SCUM BEHAVIOUR

Let's tell those people to eat shit together \o/

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To work out if they're TPRs I suspect

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Katsuki v v obviously

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I still have no idea why you tracked any of the people you mentioned

Why don't you ask instead of trying to end the day early then. As I said, I was waiting for your lead since you told me not to answer that question before the masslcaim was over. I get that you're frustrated

why didn't you volunteer it tho :c

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again I'm p sure she said she thought I was crumbing something, which is why she faked the mechclear

I haven't done anything this game except what you can see by clickin that nice shiny (ISO) button so unless I was copped I'm sadly just a vt

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again I'm p sure she said she thought I was crumbing something, which is why she faked the mechclear

I haven't done anything this game except what you can see by clickin that nice shiny (ISO) button so unless I was copped I'm sadly just a vt

I don't remember her saying you crumbed something and saying she faked the mech clear. Or is that an assumption? I'll skim through pops ISO but god oh god

i can't remember and don't want to check.

i opened pops' iso then closed the tab
i don't knowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww
it doesn't bother me, no, i can't think of any way pops would have a mechclear on me

Sorry, taking some rewiring

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I guess there's a universe where he's like

a scum role blocker

and Pops thought him targeting her was a mech clear? somehow??

I just have a hard time reconciling that with his play this game. Especially yesterday and this day phase where he is so clearly not playing towards any explicit agenda besides trying to keep this game vaguely enjoyable for people. It's such a far cry from his very purposeful and political play in Undertale

She wouldn't get a result
Why are you moonlogicing this hard?

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Alisae I can see Pine's scum hq in another tab

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goodnight dannflor, ilu

SORRY

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Ico towntell asap

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Gamestate's fucked
scum are aboutta win
this is townconeum's time to shine

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Gamma is town, SS is cleared, Kats is like outed scum

Firebringer
MariaR
Krazy
PenguinPower
Iconeum
Pink Ball
Dannflor
Menalque

ggrrooaann

Because it's MYLO, and if we don't lynch correctly we lose.

I know who the mason is and my decisions are based on this

Ali you need to start helping us out here. I really feel that withholding information THAT GIVES US A CONFTOWN isn't helping. Massclaim happened, there's a bunch of PR's out there, what is your reluctance here?

ev% soars the closer the mason gets to endgame
don't push em on this.

Sorry. Not having a good day (nothing to do w mafia)

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unless you can spot like an ounce of town in his ISO I wouldn't recommend going down that rabbit hole w kats. it's a scum role. there's no way he plays a negative utility this shitty. his meta gets him to late/endgame so he's a good beloved princess pick for Pine.

it's a scumclaim. move on

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either he's town or he's imitating gamma town meta while openly signalling town in real time

idk man this kind of wonky aggressive towntelling doesn't come from scum who's being coached thru this and his realtime posting just feels like town!Gamma

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he's not even solving all that effectively; he's just tryna poke the gamestate into solving idk fuck it's hard to open my mind on this. it's the kind of posting someone who is a much worse player than gamma, as scum, would be like "fuck I'm #goodposting!" but I don't think it occurs to scum!Gamma to actually act like this, I think it's earnest

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yeah the people who are masochistic enough to shovel through this manure farm and smart enough to know what to look for died like hundreds of pages ago

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that makes one (1) and I think? the only one left via reputation is kats
you're like left with a bunch of cute supermodern fluffposters
this game has become a statement about the state of site meta

AAAAHHHHH

anyway I digress. I've wavered very little on gamma and I don't really see any reason not to townread him. he's felt pretty real the whole way through the game and I think the stuff he's been & is posting comes from a non-guilty conscience (he's gotten harder to read as of late but I still think he has a guilty conscience as scum)

he's just settled on being the strongest townread I have who is still alive - the Titus/pops situation is very devastating.

who's your #1 townread?

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you mentioned feeling bullied for scumreading/not townreading some people: who?

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Ico's last posting is like... surprisingly ambivalent to how depressing the gamestate has and absolutely useless for solving people's alignments but I actually think his mason/Kats thing was a pretty sheer dumbtell

I can't decide if Ico is using like 50% of his time onsite these days to post in a scum pt but if he is then he's not really paying attention to it, dumbslips aren't really his thing

food for thought

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beloved princess is literally Kats claiming scum man

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unless you can spot like an ounce of town in his ISO I wouldn't recommend going down that rabbit hole w kats. it's a scum role. there's no way he plays a negative utility this shitty. his meta gets him to late/endgame so he's a good beloved princess pick for Pine.

it's a scumclaim. move on

...like well under 10%
I'm willing to lose on this read
he's just scum

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you mentioned feeling bullied for scumreading/not townreading some people: who?

mena pinky boy you

don't feel bad for scumreading me
there's gonna be a mislynch that loses this game. I'm resigned to the idea it might be me. it's w/e

I agree wrt mena and pinky, I can't really work out why not to scumread pinky in particular

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I have guilt tripped you previously unconsciously I think. that's actually exactly how I feel rn. don't think about it emotionally, I stopped feeling emotional about it at start of day

pedit: because he's a beloved princess Ico

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I guess we could lynch him but I prefer lynching in MyLo to LyLo given current gamestate

Ali's call really

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is anyone defending it?

not sure ico had fully registered

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what's up?

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the fact Katsuki's claim doesn't make sense from town!Kats
he likely made it knowing it didn't make sense from town!Kats
he's like, literally scumclaimed itt

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I don't think you're fighting against it but I don't think you registered it right away

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I think so too but it's Ali's call to make

it's an antispew claim, don't think he needs to gain anything from it other than just not needing to play lylo

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for a literal scumclaim?
who is gonna defend that

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I legit don't see a way to defend Kats
like I couldn't fake one if I was scum here
if this is his scum strat I don't see the benefit of defending him here
if this is his town strat..... ?_? none of it really checks out to me

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alright do it

get out of your armchair and explain town!kats to me

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get out of your armchair

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I don't give a shit if you think at a theoretical level you think no one defending him means he's >rand town

I don't give a shit about your gamestate read because I'm reading it perfectly backwards

throw me a case. throw me something. like fmpov he's extremely clearly scum

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alright whatever Ali, good luck with the game and all, I'll be here if you endorse a lynch. still think Gamma's more than likely town. Ico might actually be town after all.

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Or why Jingle gives a beloved princess to someone who's going to be here lategame in a townsided role allocation. or why kats has used it as a method to duck being lynched rather than trying to actually play his negative utility.

like his play makes 0 sense for a negative utility town role and I don't really think jingle assigns it to him over someone who's more likely to be lolnk'd given he's townsiding and it's a negative utility

I can see one like potential town motivation but it's dubious

I'll bbl

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woooper

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Krazzy

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I liek Bill's posting on this page!

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just play around situations where you would/n't need to trust scum

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10 pages happened again ;;

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what's new

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I guess we could lynch him but I prefer lynching in MyLo to LyLo given current gamestate

Ali's call really

Wait, back up.

You think he's scum but still believe he's a beloved princess?

I don't really have strong feelings about the claim doesn't make sense as a townclaim and if we lynch him it's probably best to prepare ourselves for fuckery

:shrug:

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ON PAGE 433
CAN I VOTE KRAZZY

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I skipped a Lotta pages but krazzy was pressured and scumkrazzyposted so
VOTE: krazzy

Let's lynch some scum ass

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If we think there’s only 1 town in fire tw and ge I’d lean GE but I’m now getting flashbacks to pfup where he also kinda lurked out to a win

different between there and here is he was so minimalism there, here he's like making an effort to try and do stuff just not getting v far, trust me it's a thing!!

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So that means tw, firebringer, PP, Krazy, and Dann are all scum, and I’m not sold on that being the answer I like.

fwiw this solve probably has like, 2-4 scum in it

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Actually nvm
Going all in
Decided on it now considering I think Krazy is 100% scum with MariaR

THANK YOU JESUS FUCK

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i thought you were hard softing that mariar was a mason so i was like..........mmm ok the world is fucked but she's like
scum!!

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For the record my scumlist is, pre massclaim

worst and menal are assuredly scum

Beyond that I haven't had the chance to analyze post-massclaim.

this is two town. you're actually shit.
i'm not sure how to process mason!Kats

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For the record my scumlist is, pre massclaim

worst and menal are assuredly scum

Beyond that I haven't had the chance to analyze post-massclaim.

this is two town. you're actually shit.
i'm not sure how to process mason!Kats

sorry
fuse shortened, the replace out tilted me
withdrawing 11043, i don't actually have an issue with you personally

i think a lot of the drama here is like. mafia policy. :/

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N1 pops
N2 SS
N3 Elsa
N4 Krazy

What makes these targets weird Ali

They seem to match her reads

ok but why would she have fake doc targets, as scum, who don't match her reads

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Ali should just pick someone to lynch and we lynch and if we lose we lose.

Stop getting all emotional about it, this game is not worth an ounce of feelings

fireb town irl

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Here is where I am at
I am starting to lean on tw being town. If tw’s amazing scum plan was to push a mason knowing it would not work out, then sure as hell fooled me
I think your 360 on mastina during D3 (Pink Ball) is town indicative.
I think Iconeum’s scumread on the worst is not something he would do if he was scum. Pine would probably tell Icon to not bring attention to himself and that kind of push brings attention to him. Not to mention you have people like Dannflor who are pushing it for being scum indicative when I really don’t think he’s scum, it just seems really uncoordinated to do something like that.
GE thinking the game is actually bastard is a town tell and scum don’t do that shit. They just don’t.

And Mena, while this being the weakest read, seems like he wants to try this phase and honestly, I just really want to townread it.

i actually like, blatantly agree with every single read in this post.
also want to townread PB begging you to reevaluate Mena/Dann but i think he's wrong on Dann and the read is dated and weird

defs related to his concerns abt stagnancy of reads though

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UNVOTE:
i lowkey feel dirty having a vote after the last like 2 pages. :/
want to lynch krazzy

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DUNNSTRAL YOU ARE MY FAVOURITE PERSON

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if this vig fruit is like the last it'll probably kill the user
we should get someone like towards the top of the POE to grab it and fire it into the bottom of the POE

if they're scum and e.g. lolkill SS or smth we can live w that
if they're town and shoot town we LOSE but if they're town and shoot scum we're probably into LyLo with odds

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yikes
good point

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there's 5 scum left functionally, the 6 includes mr. tree.

5v7 => 4v7 => 4v6 based on successful lynching
5v7 => 4v7 => 3v5 based on town vigging scum

wait that can't get to odds UGH
oh well

pedit:

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:shrug:
there's been a previous vigilante fruit given to titus which appeared to kill her when she vigged pops

i was doing so well...

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Morning Dawns, and among our party 3 more have gone still. Both Titus and popsofctown have blood leaking from their mouths, smiling into the darkness. Elsa Jay, on the other hand, is no where to be found, but a wooden statue of him lies torn to shreds where he slept the night before.

Titus was a VT.

Popsofctown was a Reflexive Watcher. (Full flips momentarily).

Spoiler:

Hello, popsofctown! I'm Jingle and I'm here to welcome you to Alisae's Revenge! You're a

Reflexive Watcher Loyal Retainer

to the rightful Lord of the Land, Alisae. Unfortunately, the wicked tree that controls the Dark Forest has been acting up, causing insurrections left and right. Alisae has called an end to this nonsense, and is preparing to ride forth. Some of my messages have been compromised, however, and a few among you were recruited by the terrible monster to put an end to our quest before it even begins!

We must purge our party of those who have no loyalty, or we shall surely fail.

Abilities:

(Reflexive Watcher)

At the beginning of each day you will be told the names of all players who targeted you the previous night.

The town win condition is: You win when all of Pine's minions have been killed.

The game thread is here: https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=80863

Elsa Jay was a mason.

not just pine confirmation; heavy flavour softing

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:shrug:
there's been a previous vigilante fruit given to titus which appeared to kill her when she vigged pops

GET OUT OF HERE! ONLY THE MOD MAY ALTSLIP, AND THEN ONLY DUE TO LAZINESS.

I'M SORRY
i've never played so much of a game on my main then switched; the readjustment is jarring!!
i'm getting better!!! D:

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get outta here warmpuppy.

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yeah that's the only reason i'm not deathtunnelling her

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I was claiming vt to avoid the NK but uh
since it's all coming out I guess I have to admit I'm a doc too

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SMH I can't believe we lynched the doc

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SMH I can't believe we lynched the doc

FOUR TIMES

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not really, average wage of medical graduates is plummetting, we need to introduce some scarcity.

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yeah I'm scum irl

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hi

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What if Pine is also a limited doc

Was it Titus going off about a potential scum doc

"Also a limited doc", are you assuming Ali is not a full doc?

if you were in Ali's boat who would you be doccing tonight?

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auqtπ

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now you're just TRYING to be cute

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not really townreading Bill anymore :c

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ok hit me

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that's a terrible reason to townread me but it is why I love you

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you're always funny Bill, no need to show it off.
I sung along to those words just now my cat enjoyed it

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I wouldn't say that without hearing my singing dude :#

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I hate how adorable you are sometimes

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Krazy
Something_Smart
Menalque

MariaR
Pink ball
Dannflor

Gamma Emerald

Iconeum
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PenguinPower
Firebringer

.....I'm pretty sure we're gonna lose

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Dunn is townreading MariaR
MariaR really is scum
we're fucked

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Your panic tastes so sweet.

Dunn is townreading MariaR
MariaR really is scum
we're fucked

Oh poor Water-type.

Are you just realizing this?

i worked it out a while ago but it's really setting in now :c

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Krazy

Something_Smart

Menalque

MariaR

Pink ball

Dannflor

Gamma Emerald

Iconeum

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PenguinPower

Firebringer

i'm like, somewhere around here, colouring dunn's ordering
i think dunn has scum higher than a literal confirmed town and i'm p sure he's >rand town reading like ~3 scum

@ali/ss i hope your reads are pretty substantially different from this.

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These are my reads:

Krazy

Something_Smart

Menalque

MariaR

Pink ball

Dannflor

Gamma Emerald

Iconeum

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PenguinPower

Firebringer

big mood.

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those are literally my reads

dunn's list or my list

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those are literally my reads

dunn's list or my list

yours

this makes me feel less despairy

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yeah i don't feel all that stressed

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If your reads are the worsts reads Ali just lynch me first so we can lose and I don't have to be counted in this game anymore ty

@ali ignore this
we lynch the scumreads you're more comfortable in

if we're wrong on the more confident scumreads we have a lot of postgame to work thru. otherwise if we can get this down to 5-7p our solving efforts can be a LOT better spent

i don't think maria is easy enough to sort to be 100% confident on today

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I'm going to be making a point to be around as much as possible.

pedit:
It's an uphill battle but like, Ash is a Pokemon master now right? anything can happen

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similar energy wrt Menalque. I was kind of expecting to see some lynch lust coming into this phase but I think the only one who got really snappy and threw a vote out prematurely was me. Mena has been a really positive influence again. I really really want him to be town.

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Alright Sorry for dumping on your reads a bit prematurely Dunn.

Talk to me about Krazy? I think that's our hardest point of divergence.

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no hi

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bargain: rolecop

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the worst do you have me muted or something

sorry what was this about?

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do you think scum!fire would realise that you'd be alarmed at survivalism from scum!fire at this point?

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I tried to get into this game by engaging you and mena early this phase and was ignored

I didn't really clock them sorry, what do you wanna talk about?

and then you just said you were the only one who got vote trigger happy so I just got the sense you weren't even bothering to read my posts which is like

Do you see why I didn't name you? I saw your vote.

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Don't really have capacity to towncase Mena rn but his trajectory on pops yday felt.. ok to me in realtime, I haven't revisited it. I didn't get the feeling he was hyperfocusing on it and it didn't feel forced, he was kinda just sorting through stuff - do you think it was scum indicative? I'll revisit it if you think there's some value there.

Agree wrt PB I liked it right at the start but he kinda fell off a cliff

pedit: not because I'm scumreading you.

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Do you see why I explicitly scumread you?

I won't argue TWTBAW on Mena. I don't think he's TWTBAW at all, just think he's playing pretty earnestly. I'll own I probably need to reevaluate what the ~motivations~ have been

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ehh

he's sitting on a town read of me from 300 pages ago

I think it's a stale attempt to pocket me

This is how I've been feeling abt your read on me, noting you've made some effort to look like you're reevaluating it I think but not really gone into it

when did you decide I was Just Town?

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why not gamma? scum lurker.

I mean he had a concussion lol

yeah i don't think that was the issue.

can you gimme the lowdown on how scum!gamma is approaching this phase / this game / what he's doing to achieve scum wincon?

i'm not entirely anti this idea but the more i overthink gamma the more i come out leaning town

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gamma is playing the game?

:0 0:

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@Pine can you bus some minions so we can surpass civ? thanks

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gamma's entire mindset approaching this phase has been anti-scum indicative
he's just not doing anything. i think he needs to fix that because i can only run with a mindset tell so far

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firebabby do you see why i come out of this exchange thinking {me, dann, gamma} is town and you're scum? :c

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let me inside
i don't think we agree about gamma; i don't think that's important qqquuuiiittteee yet

your read on krazzy is stupid. i want to lynch him. why's he town?

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i'm neutral about his scumreads being POE he can fix that

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krazzy often sounds incredulous as scum anyway
he regularly sounds salty as scum when he's actually engaging

i'm not sure i was really convinced by mastina's case but his pivot back to mechtalk at the start of today had me like >:c

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"you would have replaced out if you were scum"

town*

sCuMsLiP

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I townread Krazy based on his tone, he looks like exasperated town - I don't think he is faking that

i've never been more exasperated in mafia than i was when i was trying to get through to ali about scum!katsuki the other day. i think krazy was extremely annoyed, but i'm not sure i really read explicit towniness into his exasperation.

he feels exhausted by the game--agree with dann, this game has been extremely exhausting.
his posting around mastina's case feels extremely frustrated but i think a lot of her case on him was frustrating.

i agree w/ exasperation but i'm not sure i see why it's town indicative for him here. the most net-positive parts of the exasperation aren't really all that alignment indicative.

via content he's also like, incredibly lacking which is a big krazzy scumtell

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I townread Krazy based on his tone, he looks like exasperated town - I don't think he is faking that

my biggest worry atm is a lot of what mastina was previously saying about that slot is starting to turn out right right now.
Like, most of his contributions today are on the mechanic side of things, I don't see him trying to sort people, and like, I swear, 100% of the time, town!Krazy pushes reads here and atleast tries to win

^ this
my mind keeps drifting back to that one newbie

it's anecdotal since this was a pretty unique situation

but this krazy doesn't feel like town!krazy in the suffering gamestate you know? scum!krazy is happy for a stagnant gamestate and is more than comfortable cruisin til endgame. it feels a lot more like scum!krazy m.o.

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Wow Dann wolfing is actually hilarious

how do you read those last two pages and reach "wow dann wolfing is actually hilarious"?

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I LITERALLY CANT DEAL WITH THE LOWEST OF STANDARDS YOU PEOPLE ARE WILLING TO GIVE GAMMA A STUPID FUCKING TOWNREAD JUST BECAUSE HE ISNT TONALLY SCUM.

GUESS THE FUCK WHAT

I HAVE NEVER TONED READ HIM AS SCUM. EVER. I PRIMARILY TONEREAD PLAYERS. GAMMA HAS NO TONE TO READ.

haven't tried tonereading gamma :c
i don't think his mindset here is scummy but plsplsplspls let's pick this up again later because i wanna go down the hole w u

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What I really meant with Krazy is the way he was arguing with Ali made me think he was a townie, aka exasperation with them, not just the game

would you mind throwing me the krazzy quotes which gave this impression?
i'm down to sort him harder than i have been, for sure. i could easily be wrong here.

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gamma questions aren't helpful for alignment sorting.
gamma not pushing his questions and badgering for answers or follow up on them tells me they are there to fill space. Which is what he would do as scum.

Like literally the only way i have known scum!gamma and town!gamma apart.

This is straight BS. While I've had this issue before of lack of follow up, firstly to say that is the case here is fucking idiotic, did you not see when I tried to catch up at all you myopic drone? Secondly that is NOT HOW ANYONE has ever fusing read me right ever. I am almost certain every time that point has been made against me, I've been town. And I do have one instance burned in my mind of a scum deliberately BSing a scum read on me with that reasoning. So you pushing such a point makes me doubt YOU are town.

Actually Gamma

did you ever say why you wanted Ali to answer about who e targeted

Already explained paranoia parts of it but there was some desperation to it as well, I was desperate for something that would turn the game for town.

alignments aside i'm framing this post after the game's over

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@Krazzy
simple question: where's this read been?

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case on this page also feels as though it's fitting an agenda to your posting :#

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@Krazzy
simple question: where's this read been?

You mean the read I was talking about when Alisae decided that I was scum and that I didn't want to play the game?

what

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Like there's enough people pushing me that some must be town in addition to Ali but it's pretty obvious there's an attempted scum dogpile in mylo.

who's pushing you in bad faith then? where do you see the scum dogpile?

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your read on krazzy is stupid.

this is a fucking incredible post and I'm like disinclined to believe duck takes this tone or tact as town even if he is frustrated. I could be wrong since this doesn't easily match the misdirecting tone duck usually works through as scum but it's still too jarring to ignore

Dann - Mena - Pink Ball - Duck is 4

ok so scrap shit tonereads and ask yourself why i chose to say that.........

[Wooper]

who's pushing you in bad faith then? where do you see the scum dogpile?

Maybe an entire page of people coming in and shitting on Dunn for townreading me?

this isn't answering the question lol but you've started having reads so i guess you answered it

[Wooper]

why did you like...not give a shit about lynching dann or following through on the mech guilty until now if you felt so strongly about it? i've p much convinced myself she hid behind nacho

[Wooper]

like your pertinent reads on slots via contributions is "jesus dann is obvscum because he's not playing his town meta and has been openwolfing since ??d2??" but you haven't made any effort to try and get him lynched until fucking lylo and then you're accusing people voting you of being the scumteam dogpiling you?

I am absolutely convinced you actually appreciate how ridiculously poorly-motivated you look right now

like we get to lylo
you prodge a lil
pressure heats up and you're the designated lynch
and suddenly you go into this explosion of unflinching agendaey tunnelling "WOW DANN IS OBVSCUM AND WAS A MECH GUILTY BY ANK"
and you think it's... like.. scummy that people think you're scum for that?

if you're town you're getting one absolutely massive "what the fuck" from me postgame because this is the most absolutely absurd attempt i've seen at a solve in a long ass time


pedit: read this, get back to me

[Wooper]

this feels like an ace you've been keeping in your sleeve, not like believable trajectory.
we're in a spot where it's distinctly beneficial for scum to play all their cards
town!you abso-fucking-lutely actually makes an effort to play this in better faith than you've played it here

[Wooper]

We do not have a solid enough crumb to lynch off Ank's flip and we all accepted this a long ass time ago

Solve by reads not off mechstuff you've been sitting on until fucking lylo

[Wooper]

sorry slipped

[Wooper]

I asked you to engage w me on reads not AtE and tell me you don't give a fuck and want to talk about mech again

I'm mobile again and need to focus on this convo actually having value

[Wooper]

If we're both town let's talk about it like a couple of weeks after the game when a bunch of salt's washed off because I think we're both a little exhausted and this convo is like 30-80% stupider than it would be if we weren't

[Wooper]

If we're both town let's talk about it like a couple of weeks after the game when a bunch of salt's washed off because I think we're both a little exhausted and this convo is like 30-80% stupider than it would be if we weren't

I actually think this "let's chat" stands if you're scum as well, this whole convo kinda has me like :/

just, like I know you can fucking nail a scum in good timing and while advancing the gamestate intuitively without leaning on mechs

you can also pull some mechanical wizardry

you just haven't done either here imo the mechstuff is too late and seems to fit too comfortably inside an agenda and your reads around that have felt really apathetic

I don't think I look like scum dogpiling you at all; I don't think any/many of the people pushing you are scum, I think most scum are actually tending towards apathy this phase

there's a massive disconnect in how we're reading this gamestate and I guess if we're both town one of us is wrong so that helps me feel like we won't be ENEMIES FOR EVER over this :#

[Wooper]

I don't want to lynch you in bad faith but this convo feels like we're arguing over whether or not dolphins are birds and I'm so totally unsure of where to intercept your reasoning short of calling you out on it

[Wooper]

I wish I was scum I wish I was scum I wish I was scum

Ico what's your take on this convo? I need someone sane who isn't involved

[Wooper]

I'd ask you Ali but given your vote you also went in with a similar bias to mine. Fresh eyes and all that.

[Wooper]

I'd ask you Ali but given your vote you also went in with a similar bias to mine. Fresh eyes and all that.

can we agree that Icon literally just towntold tho

yeah he's has some very towny pop-ins

[Wooper]

gamma/fire/woopie/fire/dann

lvl with me dragon pal which names here do you think are scum?

[Wooper]

wooper > all

[Wooper]

now we find out who pine likes best.

[Wooper]

my ego flaring up or is it bizarre people have checked in and don't have an opinion yet

[Wooper]

I'm not sure how to really engage with that but we're backwards on Dann/Krazy. I think Krazy's sudden reemergence looks extremely agenda driven; it's pre-meditated and it's mechanically focused with sprinkles of meta and reads on gamestates which are thoroughly expired + he didn't mention at the time. It struck me as a lynch case he felt he was entitled to. I also don't understand why town!Krazy gets so indignant then just... backs off when he's called to elaborate. The pop-in has scum written all over it fmpov.

Dann like, in absence of scum!Krazy, /could/ be scum? But I actually really heavily related to his rxn, I think the case against him was kind of incredible and I don't really blame him for being absolutely baffled by it

I'd say it's t/t before s/s before town!Krazy/scum!Dann. it just didn't feel right and I don't feel like I was warlocked; I was floored by Krazy's reappearance long before Dann withdrew so we could try and talk it out

[Wooper]

He does have other reads. I just think they've formed unnaturally :/

[Wooper]

I actually liked Dann's reach out to me about 5 hrs ago too
is that more likely trying to finish his pocket attempt before its too late or actually earnest?
probably leaning latter atm

[Wooper]

He's become so headfucky but not in a way that looks like he's trying to to obfuscate intent, actually if anything I feel bad for not reaching back out to him a lot earlier? :/

[Wooper]

But not in a way that feels like AtE. There's just a dialogue there which I regret not having earlier.

I AM ANGRY

[Wooper]

seeya tomorrow.

[Wooper]

I don't have a tonne to say wrt gaslighting :c I think it could come from either alignment esp with krazzy

[Wooper]

I just had a dirty thought. I'll sleep on it tonight.

[Wooper]

Dann, I don't know. His meta push on Krazy was good, but once Krazy started what should be towntelling for Dann: basicly playing the game, he wasn't reconsidering. This could very much be scum.

dann, any reason why you did the hurt instead of a vote?

nooooooo

[Wooper]

i reread those menaphos posts & before it for context
i don't scumread that

[Wooper]

i thought it kinda... flowed
like, messily, but the way thoughts flow
i don't know

gngn

[Wooper]

i can work on a solve w u what's up

[Wooper]

Maybe
I need to think abt some stuff that I think it's kinda ott paranoid/detrimental for me to talk about right now

let me sleep on the issue in my brain and get back to you tomorrow

I think that solve has like, 3+ scum in it, I think. main one I disagree on is Ico who I'm starting to seriously think is town.

[Wooper]

hi

[Wooper]

I literally don't agree with a single thing in Maria's recent posting

[Wooper]

So last night I spent a long time evaluating whether Dann/Krazy makes more sense as s/s. Dann's entrance to today is clearly meant to be townier than Krazy's (regardless of his alignment)--and we have to accept that Krazy's case on Dann is transparently pre-meditated and agenda oriented because otherwise it functionally makes no sense.

I can't decide whether I was being warlocked into defending dannflor given how fucking stupid the case against him was. I'm also not sure what the function of that case was if S!Krazzy/T!Dann....does Krazzy actually think it's a smoking gun and he can lynch Dann off it?

Why do both of them disappear just around the point where I'd expect them both to get furious and indignant? I think Krazy's disappearance is more guilty conscience indicative than Dann's but like aaaghhtrhffhf

[Wooper]

I'm just gonna let you talk to Wooper because I don't think us flaming each other is actually gonna produce anything readable or productive.

Let me know if there's something specific you'd like me to respond to still.

Otherwise, I don't think me engaging you further is changing my read of you at this point given the way you've been approaching me this phase.

Dann sign-off

[Wooper]

You know what this game literally isn't worth it, I'm going to really start losing you here duck so I'm just going to write this off as alignment shit and call it a game.

Krazzy sign-off
this reminds me of a recent game I played with someone else who was scum and like

I called them out on ate stuff and said they shld feel bad if they were scum and they said "sorry" and I wondered if it was scum indicative and it was

sorry for wonky comparison but I think this is guiltposting.

[Wooper]

woop?

jeez do we just put that slot out of its misery

pedit2: same

[Wooper]

I didn't think my paranoia was that stupid then I was like "oh....." then I was like "AHUH"

[Wooper]

oh god

[Wooper]

we could just lynch him
it means no worries
for the rest of this phase

[Wooper]

i know
that explanation occurred to me and you reappeared later to do more valuable stuff
i'm just paranoid and scared

[Wooper]

i have this theory that i was the designated game-ending mislynch today and scum maybe jumped the gun on seeing a win in sight

like throw Krazy's case into the thread 3 day phases ago and it looks a lot more natural versus saving it for mylo

this is also a feeling i have
but i don't know if he thought it was a smoking gun or not

it feels kinda...silly...

but maybe krazzy/mastina was delayed by scum and krazzy is a game ending mislynch, but he's not towny at all, i don't understand the townreads on him and no one seems willing to go a level deeper on them, so i don't really trust myself to ever reach that conclusion

also I don't understand Krazy's replace out :/

i think i've probably already analysed it accurately but what do i know

[Wooper]

I'm strongly leaning towards not reading this, so yall better impress me from scratch

this is a really good idea ftr

we're uh, pretty sure you're scum. your pred's final ~10ish posts might be worth having a look at

[Wooper]

I guess I'll look at it but it sounds a lot like a waste of time, gonna be tough to convince me I'm scum

check ur role pm again pal

don't need to convince you you're scum but e.g. dann/ali/myself are going to approach you with a tonne of scepticism and i don't want you to be surprised at feeling alienated

[Wooper]

Ok why was it important I read my predecessor bleeding town all over the thread

alright I'm gonna work for a bit seeya later

pedit: nah one's a mason, the other is despy cleared

[Wooper]

Why do both of them disappear just around the point where I'd expect them both to get furious and indignant? I think Krazy's disappearance is more guilty conscience indicative than Dann's but like aaaghhtrhffhf

nobody read this post? :c

[Wooper]

it checks out with a tracker/watcher but otherwise it does nawt

[Wooper]

I feel like my reads aren't changing and I wonder if I should expect them to

@warm puppy sorry, it's cute tho

[Wooper]

cuter than hot dog

[Wooper]

the right choice w the rolecop is FIDNING SCUM

>:C

[Wooper]

Spoiler: me reading Gamma's posts

[Wooper]

yes it's quite funny

[Wooper]

it's besieged by autocorrect but I think it's v easy to read

[Wooper]

it kinda makes me want to re-watch the world's end, but in the good way

[Wooper]

VOTE: PP

I wouldn't encourage taking the L if anyone is scum
Pine is holding that rolecop fruit for a reason

[Wooper]

PP is scum
Ceph is scum
Maria is scum

[Wooper]

Yea I am wooper's ass

[Wooper]

Vote Count 5.10

Flavor.

With 12 alive, it is 7 to Lynch or 6 to No Lynch!

PenguinPower (2): MariaR, Pink Ball,
Cephrir (1): Dannflor,
Firebringer (0):
Gamma Emerald (0):
Something_Smart (0):
MariaR (0):
the worst (0):
Iconeum (0):
Pink Ball (0):
Dannflor (0):
Dunnstral (0):
Menalque (0):

Ailisa is endorsing: Penguin Power

Not Voting (10): Firebringer, Cephrir, PenguinPower, Iconeum, Dunnstral, Menalque, Something_Smart, wooper, Gamma Emerald,

Deadline: Day 5 will end after 10 days, on October 21st. This is in (expired on 2019-10-21 12:00:00).

It is now MYLO.
Pine is offering a Rolecop Fruit. Wooper and Iconeum are bargaining for it.
Pine is offering a Vigilante Fruit. Dunnstral is bargaining for it.
This may come as a shock, but it is not in fact D1. I'll be fixing the deadline in previous votecounts to reflect this.

VOTE: PP

VOTE: PP

I wouldn't encourage taking the L if anyone is scum
Pine is holding that rolecop fruit for a reason

Spoiler: Job Application for Gamma

Dear Mr. Emerald,

Attached please find my resume. I look forward 2 working with u and hope 2 hear from u soon.

I know it's not a guilty

Why would Ank choose Buffy other than that it was a joke

why would Ank choose movies when she doesn't even watch them

but okay, why if you are town, are you not pushing Mena? Who else could she have plausibly hid behind?

Like you continue to want to just drop it altogether but this is mylo and there is no reason to argue that it's a bad time to talk about a mech guilty

there's clear town motivation to wanting to figure this out still, and it does sound strange on the face of it that someone would want to dismiss this even though i, an enlightened one, agree

THAT'S NOT TOWN POSTING

WHAT AM I SUPPOSED TO SAY TO THAT

if you're town you are confbiasing to the extreme here and it's actually ridiculous

you came in and said that I stopped tunneling you for political reasons when MASTINA was happening

that's so insane and laughable I refuse to believe you would drop that shade as town dude, there's no way. That's such a gross and incomprehensible misrepresentation it frankly is astonishing.

i like emotion in general but sure theres not too much here

I didn't say "lol pop in" after you started making posts with content

Yeah instead you said it IMMEDIATELY after I make my first post of the day

give me a break, if you want to interact with me why the fuck would you immediately go to poisoning the well?

if this has any basis in reality it makes me suspect dan but idk if he's just so tunnelled at this point he sees everything as an unreasonable attack

I am pushing Mena

read my posts maybe

okay then why the fuck is your argument "WHY DID THIS BECOME A GUILTY" and not "actually I think it's Mena"?

Why do you launch immediately into defensiveness?

seems like a good question 2 me, and the sort of thing that tends to come from someone who's super tunnelled

who's pushing you in bad faith then? where do you see the scum dogpile?

Maybe an entire page of people coming in and shitting on Dunn for townreading me?

im not sure how it isnt self evident that this is the type of thing that comes from someone whos actually frustrated
not that scum dont have real emotion sometimes but frustration with feeling incorrectly scumread by everyone is an experience i can relate to and im not sure i get as grumpy about it if it's correct

why did you like...not give a shit about lynching dann or following through on the mech guilty until now if you felt so strongly about it? i've p much convinced myself she hid behind nacho

I was still thinking about it and wanted to have a conversation with people I was thinking might be scum on why they were willing to entertain both Dann and Mena being town. I misunderstood one of your confusing posts earlier that included a weird thought experiment where they were both town but then you said it was just a weird post. Then I started asking Pink Ball about his reasoning and Ali decided I didn't want to play the game because asking questions instead of leading a lynch is scummy now, since you know, it involves mech.

Prove me wrong. Why would Ank hide behind someone she basically never mentions?

And while you're at it, why are you not scum for joining in the "oh no krazy is talking about mech" bullshit? Why do you want to ignore a guilty or displace it onto something that there is zero reason to think happened?

i would townread the bold if i were not playing in the slot

Why isn't Mena more likely the guilty from your perspective? It feels like you switched that to fit this narrative you're pushing about me.

If this is how you feel why did you not join me on Mena ever until now? Why did you only flip your read on Mena when he flipped his read of you?

these questions seem like real scumhunting

this feels like an ace you've been keeping in your sleeve, not like believable trajectory.
we're in a spot where it's distinctly beneficial for scum to play all their cards
town!you abso-fucking-lutely actually makes an effort to play this in better faith than you've played it here

Maybe because if I express uncertainty about it or ask people their opinions I'm accused of only talking about mech? And in fact people have been piggybacking on mastina pushing back against me having mech? And I just had to deal with a townflip from someone who accused me of only talking about THIS VERY MECH?

So now it's a guilty. Prove me wrong. I don't give a fuck if you like my "trajectory" this game has been a shitshow and now I'm making a decision. At this point the town needs some level of direction.

again this frustration comes across town
this might be the towniest post in the whole batch - "deal with a townflip" is probably a turn of phrase scum avoid and the last paragraph is v real

Oh okay

so if I talk about it I get all caps

but if I don't talk about it it's not a real trajectory

more of the same

You know what this game literally isn't worth it, I'm going to really start losing you here duck so I'm just going to write this off as alignment shit and call it a game.

why would scum get frustrated enough to replace out of a game they're winning this hard?

Please feel free to call me with any further questions. Thank u 4 ur time.

This stuff looks pretty solid. Especially the last point, I've had that on my mind a little myself, more along the lines of "what made him replace out now of all times"?
Also VOTE: PP

This stuff looks pretty solid.

ngl im surprised you had a positive response to that i feel like everything i said could easily be gleaned from reading the posts! but ok!

VOTE: PP because Glorious Leader has spoken

This wagon shld be telling

[Wooper]

Actually Gamma is trying to townread Ceph who is just constantly scumposting so I'm not sure how much I like that

[Wooper]

wooper do u think this is a #goodwagon?

It's sketchy as fuck
But it looks more like they're tryna cram votes on it than quick hammer?? like an actual attempt to quickhammer on this wagon would be absolutely bizarre but a whole lotta people really wanna be on it

[Wooper]

Ok more honestly I'd never try and coordinate it
PP is transparently scum
Unless you think the wagon is entirely scum + 1 town (or 2 including dann) it's not a quickhammer

A quickhammer hasn't happened

PP is scum

[Wooper]

Unless you think the wagon is entirely scum + 1 town (or 2 including dann) it's not a quickhammer

And for the record I'm actually not completely convinced this is *false* and I **still** don't think it's mislynch indicative

[Wooper]

VOTE: pp
fuck it then

Mood, basically.
He could be sorted via rolecop probably but that's not gna happen

Which makes me think 1-2 of {PP, maria} are the scum in the PR claims who necessitate rolecop fruit not going out

I'm aware max ev for a scum stump with that ability is to flip a coin on whether or not to hand it out but Pine doesn't play that. spirit of the game is a whole thing fhpov. not giving out the rolecop fruit had a utility.

[Wooper]

especially given how long he meditated on it
and the fact he waited until Dunn had outed his reads, interacted with slots (who I think are scum but he doesn't) in apparent good faith, then handed out the vig fruit

not shooting is Dunn's best action imo but I guess you can steer the shot without being manipulated which is probably technically beneficial

I think saying "we're in shit" is kinda redundant but
just a friendly reminder

[Wooper]

Actually Gamma is trying to townread Ceph who is just constantly scumposting so I'm not sure how much I like that

?????????

.

[Wooper]

my only regret this phase is not powerlynching Ceph but PP is also scum so I doubt it matters

[Wooper]

wow
that was a twist