newbie 1956 - car seat headrest [we gotta go back]

[Draynth]

Ahoyhoy

VOTE: UrVeggieM8
Because i just ate a vegetarian meal

[Draynth]

I’m not accusing anyone, but spam seemed eager to Lynch veggie, after someone had already voted to lynch veggie.

Do you find it scummy that he seemed eager to hop on the wagon? If so, why do you think it's scummy?
If you don't think it's scummy, why not?

[Draynth]

Also as a quick tip to all the newbies, having an avatar greatly helps other players quickly see who is posting what. Please get one if possible ^^

[Draynth]

In case anyone wants to do a metadive on me, be my guest

Town:
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/sfm-luig ... -win/75825
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... e-D6-Setup

Mafia:
https://forum.imperium42.com/t/fm-short ... -win/75324

VOTE: Egix96

Hi
Any reason in particular you voted egix?

[Draynth]

I'm town.

Hi town, I'm Draynth

[Draynth]

also

I'm town.

huh?

[Draynth]

I find it scummy because instead of voting for anyone else to check reactions, he voted for someone who had already been voted for.

I am not saying spam is a scum, or that you should vote for him. I am just saying that what he did was scummy

I mean, from what I've seen, RVS bandwagoning is fairly common on this site.
So I personally wouldn't consider it scummy, it's just a site meta thing.

Okay sure. But voting for veggie and not for anyone else is still a bit suspicious. I mean why bandwagon?

Why not bandwagon? You often get some good information from it and it progesses the game
Why do you find it inherently suspicious?

[Draynth]

busy day today, will catch up tonight if i can, if not tomorrow

[Draynth]

Have you played mafia before Faustiv?

[Draynth]

Scumreading Spangled so far.

May I ask you why?

Would you mind answering the below please? It was literally the very next post after Spangled's
You're being too passive.

Have you played mafia before Faustiv?

[Draynth]

EBWOP

Scumreading Spangled so far.

May I ask you why?

You're being too passive.

Would you mind answering the below please? It was literally the very next post after Spangled's

Have you played mafia before Faustiv?

[Draynth]

Thanks for your insight Airan!

As the person receiving Spam's vote, when I first read their post my gut reaction was "that seems a bit lhf-ish. Maybe they're doing that to try and get information out of everyone"... which is not necessarily a scum move. To me personally, Spam doesn't quite read as scummy... just suspicious.

Interested in hearing what everyone else thinks!

What exactly do you mean by suspicious?

[Draynth]

to put it simply (and not quite accurately), you're using too many exclamation points. More precisely, it sounds like pocketing/ingratiating yourself with people. In my experience, this comes more from newb!scum wanting to sound genuine than from newb!town who are extremely excited.

Jamelia’s tone and entrance is certainly different to their only previous newbie game, but I don’t think I can call them scum over it. I am not willing to put my vote there just yet, but I will consider it.[/quote]
Have you played with Jamelia before or did you read through the game?
If so, what about her tone / entrance is different?

[Draynth]

Sorry, I'm quite tired. I messed up that one too.
Also sorry for spamming, I'll try to combine points into one post

[Draynth]

Just saw this, you can ignore my previous question

Spoiler: Missed Post

to put it simply (and not quite accurately), you're using too many exclamation points. More precisely, it sounds like pocketing/ingratiating yourself with people. In my experience, this comes more from newb!scum wanting to sound genuine than from newb!town who are extremely excited.

Gotcha. Is that like a meta thing? To use too many exclamation points or something?

not specifically meta, but more my experience with the tendency of newb!scum to act extremely excited.

to put it simply (and not quite accurately), you're using too many exclamation points. More precisely, it sounds like pocketing/ingratiating yourself with people. In my experience, this comes more from newb!scum wanting to sound genuine than from newb!town who are extremely excited.

Jamelia’s tone and entrance is certainly different to their only previous newbie game, but I don’t think I can call them scum over it. I am not willing to put my vote there just yet, but I will consider it.

Could you explain the difference?

Disclaimer: I wasn’t in their other game, but I have their ISO for it pulled up.
They were less ‘excited’ in the other one, certainly, but there were certainly still many an exclamation point, and a fairly similar optimistic, bright outlook. They were slightly more contenty early game in the other one, but mostly because they were actually asked questions about the gamestate early on — which, I think, cut off the happy greetings — which so far no one’s done.

I do agree that they’ve definitely been very profuse in the area of greeting-type-posts, though.

[Draynth]

I've never really seen someone be called scum for prolonging a reasonably harmless discussion, let alone for something like RVS wagoning. I personally don't see it as particularly scummy. It came across to me as his reasoning as to why he wasn't scumreading the wagon. Geyde, Is prolonging discussions like the RVS one usually a scum tell on the other site(s) you've played on?

Like I said I don't remember someone being scumread for something like this in any games I've played so I'm intrigued at the very least

[Draynth]

Also, VOTE: faustiv

[Draynth]

well veggie + Spangled isn't a scumteam anyway
If they were veggie wouldn't call out my vote on faustiv given he is currently voting him too. I'm surprised only veggie / jamelia mentioned it

UNVOTE: Faustiv

Kind of a reaction test, kind of a way to get faustiv to answer my question. I have my reasoning behind wanting an answer that I'll share once I've thought on it some more.

[Draynth]

Also, VOTE: faustiv

Why do you feel this way? I also scum read them, but not enough to definitively vote.

So are they your top scumread? If so, why not vote? Pressure is pressure, and the more of it there is, the more it helps.

Because they haven’t responded to their already two votes against them. I’ll vote when I see how they respond to how people feel about their posts.

If you're genuinely scumreading him, vote him. If it gets close to a lynch and you're not comfortable with that (they might be accidentally lynched, they might get scumHammered, you think they might pre-emptively claim etc. etc.) then you can unvote. I understand where you're coming from but often the only way to get someone engaged / answer questions you have is to vote them

[Draynth]

@Spangled

Who do you think is scum?

[Draynth]

Objectively, it's a scummy vote so you're not wrong

[Draynth]

That being said, it depends on whether or not you believe 123 really. Context matters after all

[Draynth]

I have my reasoning behind wanting an answer that I'll share once I've thought on it some more.

I won't be saying anything else on the matter until I'm ready

[Draynth]

@Faustiv

Are you still scumreading spangled?
Are you scumreading anyone else?
Are you townreading anyone?

[Draynth]

The above posts are interesting, i didn't notice the similarities between jam / geyde's attitude towards faustiv
Getting scum vibes from jam's incredible reluctance to lay down a vote

[Draynth]

Hmm, I briefly skimmed through jamelia's other game play (newbie 1953) and he only lay down two votes in that entire game (which lasted 3 day phases)
Perhaps it really is just a playstyle thing

[Draynth]

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount
I like Geyde's point in 156
NMSA's reasoning behind jamelia's tone being wrong felt kind of forced and it's something I could imagine scum!Draynth saying
NMSA is also lurking a worrying amount (albeit he's not alone in that)

[Draynth]

@Airan, Faustiv, Egix

What do you 3 think of NotMySpamAccount?
Got anything to share on the slot / anyone else?

[Draynth]

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount
I like Geyde's point in 156
NMSA's reasoning behind jamelia's tone being wrong felt kind of forced and it's something I could imagine scum!Draynth saying
NMSA is also lurking a worrying amount (albeit he's not alone in that)

Why Spam over Faustiv?

When I voted faustiv i primarily wanted an answer to my question, which I got.
Tbh I'd still be fine with a faustiv lynch but i doubt we get much from it, the majority of his posting has been asking why he's being scumread / why people are voting him. There's little to no information to gather from him being lynched today in my opinion. It's a fine compromise lynch should we end up close to the deadline with no other viable options but while we have time I'd rather wagon objectively scummy people

[Draynth]

It's interesting to me that you mentioned how an "easy lynch" happened in your previous game where you didn't get much from it, and in the same post finally vote faustiv, an equally informationless lynch

[Draynth]

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount
I like Geyde's point in 156
NMSA's reasoning behind jamelia's tone being wrong felt kind of forced and it's something I could imagine scum!Draynth saying
NMSA is also lurking a worrying amount (albeit he's not alone in that)

Draynth: jam's lack of voting might just be aplaystyle thing
Also Draynth: spam is lurking early d1, mumst be scum.

anyone who's played with me can tell you I do this every game.

Jam has exactly one game on site which i went and skimmed through
I've never played with you so why are you being so lamist about it

[Draynth]

Also, lurking was 1 of 3 points made. that's some nice cherrypicking

[Draynth]

I don't think anybody said your posts were the same as the other game. I for one said your voting pattern was similar.
Did I miss someone saying that?

[Draynth]

Hmm, I briefly skimmed through jamelia's other game play (newbie 1953) and he only lay down two votes in that entire game (which lasted 3 day phases)
Perhaps it really is just a playstyle thing

I think this is very different to saying your posts are similar. If others have said that I guess I missed it and look forward to them being quoted by you when you get a chance

[Draynth]

What makes you think geyde is scum, faustiv?

[Draynth]

first day back at university today will catch up in the morning

[Draynth]

We have ~3 and a half days left by the way, should start trying to consolidate wagons/votes onto optimal lynches if possible.

[Draynth]

I have some thoughts to share but it'll have to wait a few hours as I'm currently mobile posting, and a lot of the quotes on the last page are very long

[Draynth]

I'll do a full case on Jam in a few hours I think, but I'll make a quick response here.

Looking forward to this

I'm not good at explaining it in words, so I kinda have to just tell you to read both of their isos, and hope that you see what I do. As I said, iso deep dives on content as well as tone incoming in a few hours unless rl gets in the way.

"Go look for scummy things yourselves and if you find them I'll agree with them". Sound about right?

Just checked him. Yeah this guy is screaming scum to me. Don’t know how I missed that.

UNVOTE: Geyde[\unvote]

VOTE: Airan303[\vote]

This feels pretty opportunistic alright but to be honest I think Spangled's post makes a lot of sense so I can't scumread faustiv for it

I’ve had opportunities to jump on other bandwagons. I chose not to. I think this guy is scum. I’ll go into detail a bit later but basically he’s pussyfooting and trying not to upset anyone. He doesn’t want to be suspected and this is apparent in his play.

Is that detail coming?

Spoiler: big post

I’m not accusing anyone, but spam seemed eager to Lynch veggie, after someone had already voted to lynch veggie.

I find it scummy because instead of voting for anyone else to check reactions, he voted for someone who had already been voted for.

I am not saying spam is a scum, or that you should vote for him. I am just saying that what he did was scummy

VOTE: faustiv

Sorry, reposting because I voted the incorrect way before!

Why are you voting me?

This might be because you seem (through no fault of your own) a bit of a lurker.

Yeah, I think that spam has got tunnel vision. Not sure if this makes him scum...

Ew ew ew. I want to... crawl away from my computer and wash my hands; it reminds me of my first game (which was as scum) and that's some serious PTSD right there; I don't want to be reminded of that game ever again.

'I’m not accusing anyone'
'I am not saying spam is a scum, or that you should vote for him. I am just saying that what he did was scummy'
'might be because you seem (through no fault of your own) a bit of a lurker'
'Not sure if this makes him scum...'

Conciliation coupled with opinions without thoughts or even...

bite

(if I can put it like that); a

point

behind them.
Throwing shade but retracting it in the same post; observations without

anything

behind or following from them. This is newbscum. VOTE: Airan303

ok yeah I see what you mean, also I'm sheeping spangled until further notice.

VOTE: Airan

If airan gets lynched and flips green lynch this with fire

Jamellia why are you ok with an Airan lynch if I’m on the bandwagon? I’m one of your scumreads and I am advocating this lynch. Do you think me and Airan are a team?

These things shouldn't be mutually exclusive in my opinion.
i.e. I'm scumreading x player. X players votes y player. That doesn't necessarily mean I can't scumread Y player.
I can think about the different scenarios but as town if you're trying to use Process of Elimination on Day 1 / use it to sort people this early, you're going to have a really tough time

[Draynth]

I’ve had opportunities to jump on other bandwagons. I chose not to. I think this guy is scum. I’ll go into detail a bit later but basically he’s pussyfooting and trying not to upset anyone. He doesn’t want to be suspected and this is apparent in his play.

Is that detail coming?[/quote]
Scratch this, I hadn't seen the post on page 10

[Draynth]

How easily this Airan wagon has built up is slightly concerning and makes me think there's at least 1 scum on it, but given he hasn't been here to defend himself that (gut) feeling doesn't have as much merit as it would typically.

[Draynth]

How easily this Airan wagon has built up is slightly concerning and makes me think there's at least 1 scum on it, but given he hasn't been here to defend himself that (gut) feeling doesn't have as much merit as it would typically.

Aye.
If there had to be 1 scum on it, who do you think it would be?

out of {Spangled, NMSA, Egix}
I'd say NMSA
Faustiv was technically never on it and then unvoted, but I've actually liked their recent posting regardless

[Draynth]

I think NMSA has just stood out to me more as scummy, Egix has been quite null for me mostly by virtue of flying under the radar i guess?
Like his hop onto the airan wagon also with no reasoning is scummy, but he did it as a result of my post asking for people to consolidate wagons so i dunno really
I'll have to take a look at egix's ISO when i get a chance

[Draynth]

Faustiv why do you continuously only show up whenever you're mentioned as being scumread by someone

[Draynth]

Also

@Spangled

I'll answer your question when I get home from university today if that's alright

[Draynth]

The above interaction looks T v T.

this is a scummy post

[Draynth]

welcome eth0s

Also @Spangled

I never got around to answering you. I promise it'll come tomorrow, I have a day off from uni

[Draynth]

what's scummy about it

It's a weird thought to have from an uninformed point of view

[Draynth]

Alright I'm not as tired as I thought i was

Spoiler: NMSA

to put it simply (and not quite accurately), you're using too many exclamation points. More precisely, it sounds like pocketing/ingratiating yourself with people. In my experience, this comes more from newb!scum wanting to sound genuine than from newb!town who are extremely excited.

This post just feels forced. It feels like NMSA is trying to legitimise a weak or bad reason to scumread someone by making it quite wordy.

VOTE: NotMySpamAccount
I like Geyde's point in 156
NMSA's reasoning behind jamelia's tone being wrong felt kind of forced and it's something I could imagine scum!Draynth saying
NMSA is also lurking a worrying amount (albeit he's not alone in that)

Draynth: jam's lack of voting might just be aplaystyle thing
Also Draynth: spam is lurking early d1, mumst be scum.

anyone who's played with me can tell you I do this every game.

I do like veggie's reasoning in 164 and 165.

Also, everyone keeps referring to the exclamation point thing, which I said in the post was not entirely accurate. It's not just the number of exclamation points, but the entire tone of the posts. Veggie's posts come across as much more sincere. That's why I'm voting Jam.

This was an extremely defensive and cherrypicking reaction to a vote on him. Simultaneously the only other post he discusses this was just shading jamelia some more.

ok yeah I see what you mean, also I'm sheeping spangled

until further notice.

VOTE: Airan

It's weird but the bolded actually sticks out to me more than the scummy sheeping itself.
It's like he's trying to justify that he hasn't even mentioned airan at all previously and doesn't plan to either. That is probably putting words in his mouth but it's kind of a gut thing that stuck out to me. If i think of a better way to explain this I'll come back to it

Making this post so that I don't get prodded/replaced myself! Not entirely convinced of Spangled's town-ness just yet but I (hopefully) have a better read on them than either faüstiv or Airan. So I'm choosing to put my trust in their post about newb-scum behaviour and agree with both faüstiv and Airan lynch-wagons. I am a little bit torn as to who I should vote for though. I still think something's up with faüstiv and am leaning towards lynching them based on gut instinct but in terms of utility, I think an Airan lynch would probably provide more information.

What more information would an Airan lynch provide than a faüstiv one?
And what do you think is ‘up’ about faüstiv?

Airan is more likely to be scum. Also prodge.

I have to believe that town would be trying to do more at this point

The above posts are ones that stuck out in particular.
Generally speaking NMSA really hasn't done anything proactive (other than his push on jamelia, to his credit, but that didn't really go anywhere and he seemed to give up on it and just sheep spangled.)
The Airan wagon hop on felt opportunistic when his jamelia case wasn't really gaining any traction with other players.

All of that being said, I can definitely have a tendency to tunnel people. What do others think? From what i can recall not many people have really weighed in on NMSA. Am I wrong with some of the above posts?

[Draynth]

re. the faustiv vote tags thing
That's actually something I noticed too.
In the last game I played I didn't spot a hammer bait and pre-emptively fakeclaimed a really bad claim as scum. Now I was just having some fun as I thought I was dead but I'd never even have thought to check whether it was a bait or not.
It's made me be far more vigilant of votes / potential fake voting and it struck me too faustiv might be trying to gain fake townpoints or something with it

[Draynth]

for anybody curious the hammer bait mentioned above is here

[Draynth]

@ethos

What do you think of Geyde?

[Draynth]

I'm reading through now but this is important

Anyone that intends to hammer NMSA needs to first declare intent

[Draynth]

I mean the only person that actually changed was Egix

I know what you mean mind but I think it's different to a typical fresh wagon forming given myself and Geyde were already voting NMSA and eth0s voted him after joining

[Draynth]

That being said it's worth noting that the next most likely person to be lynched after airan was NMSA (from my point of view anyway, maybe I'm biased given I was voting him) so it would make sense for scum!eth0s to hop onto this wagon
But yeah I dunno I've liked his entrance, I've agreed with a lot of the things he ha said so far and I wasn't that convinced of scum!Airan in the first place anyway

[Draynth]

NMSA is town. Please stop.

Why is he town

[Draynth]

An eth0s lynch also gives us more information. If he flips scum, Spangled is locktown. If he flips town then I urge everyone to revise their TR on him.

I’d like to hear what info lynching NMSA gives us.

There's no world where eth0s gets lynched today imo

[Draynth]

NMSA is town. Please stop.

Why is he town

Other than the vote progression*

[Draynth]

NMSA is town. Please stop.

Why is he town

Other than the vote progression*

I think his interactions with Jamellia is town

I'll review this now

and I also don’t like the people on this wagon.

Fair enough

Why do you think he’s scum?

I've made about 6 posts detailing this

[Draynth]

also p sure faustiv is trying to buddy me rn.

This is a good catch if you are lynched and flip town

[Draynth]

also p sure faustiv is trying to buddy me rn.

What would I gain from buddying you as mafia? If anything I’m making myself more suspect by doing so.

Here's a scenario

I am player A. I am Scum. I have mentioned Player B exactly once in my ISO where i called him null/leaning scum for no apparent reason.
Player B is town. He is about to be lynched. I hard defend him to try and gain some town cred as I have ignored this slot completely for the majority of the game.

[Draynth]

also p sure faustiv is trying to buddy me rn.

This is a good catch if you are lynched and flip town

Is this seed planting to get me lynched tomorrow if he flips town?

I'm not devious enough to do that.
It's a point worth noting that I'd regret not saying if I were to be killed

[Draynth]

I know intent has been given but please don't hammer.
For one NMSA hasn't claimed but I feel we are also getting good discussion out of this.

[Draynth]

Faustiv, you mentioned that you don't like those on NMSA's wagon
who other than eth0s do you think is scum out of {Draynth, Geyde, Veggie}

[Draynth]

I think if he wasn't faking the not knowing how to use vote tags thing then he is worried about being the one to put me to L-1. he backed off earlier when I was L-1 and now he hops back on when spangled (the person who he sheeped to vote my slot in the first place, mind you) backed off. So now he doesn't have to be the one to put me to L-1.

^the part in parenthesis is really funny btw

I wanted to give Airan or his replacement the chance to defend themselves. You came in, immediately FOS’sed the three most lychable players, scumread me the most, then decided to vote NMSA instead because the wagon on him is stronger as more people are willing to jump on it. Also the guy you replaced was playing a trademark scum game.

you're easier to lynch than nmsa. If I wanted you lynched I could have done it in a heartbeat

That being said wouldn't scum!eth0s want to save faustiv for day 2 or 3 for this very reason?

[Draynth]

@eth0s or NMSA
Have you two played together before?

[Draynth]

someone flipping town
flip red = scum flip

[Draynth]

The quick progression of votes suggests he’s town. Also everyone in my scumpool has a vote on him.

then how do you explain the wagon on my slot

There was sound logic from Spangled on why he thought Airan was scum. I fail to see any of that same sound logic from anyone on why NMSA is scum.

How are you sure of this when earlier today you asked why I thought NMSA was scum despite giving a number of posts previously (i.e. you didn't read them)

[Draynth]

I guess he agrees with faustiv that your vote is odd, but he doesn't find it scummy?

[Draynth]

his hard defence of NMSA bothers me a lot tbh
like i said previously his only mention of NMSA was calling him Null / scum lean (which he actually left out of his overall "reads" post and had to quickly post it afterwards as if he had forgotten about it / was making it up or something)
then he's certain that NMSA is town based on vote progression but the one on airan was just as bad if not worse

[Draynth]

ethos when you played with NMSA was he as "apathetic", maybe for want of a better word maybe not, on day 1 as scum?

[Draynth]

if a majority vote isnt reached (5 in this case) the day ends with a no-lynch which typically favours scum

[Draynth]

The deadline is in 1 day, 15 hours

[Draynth]

I think wait if you can, if a faustiv wagon ends up forming then the claim would be wasted

[Draynth]

I recognise you've put in some effort with the above post so I'll read through it now but neither of those lynches are going to happen today; There's a day and a half left

[Draynth]

You need to think if it's actually scummy though. You might think it's rude or unhelpful to town but I can see it coming from a frustrated town POV because it doesn't really do anything for scum!ethos

[Draynth]

In theory it could be some sort of mega gambit where both NMSA and faustiv are scum but I think that's unlikely

It's a good point that faustiv could've sat by and let spam be lynched, but given he was a close second to be lynched after eth0s joined i don't think it's unlikely that he would try to do something proactive to gain some town cred
Honestly it's really difficult to sort all of this without any flips to draw some more concrete interactions from

[Draynth]

Egix literally hopped on to make him L1 WITH intent to hammer without giving any reasoning or rationale. Does no one find that suspect?

It is scummy yes.
Bringing a ton of attention to it changes what egix might do though so I really didn't want to bring it up myself.

[Draynth]

So if we do decide to lynch Spam and they flip green, then I firmly believe that Faustiv is town.

I disagree with this

[Draynth]

I need to take a break for a bit to reassess things. I'll be back in the morning

[Draynth]

hmm

[Draynth]

well I've gotta say I'm not a fan of that one

[Draynth]

Who do you think is eating the NK?

Don't answer this please. WIFOM only serves to help scum

[Draynth]

well that's fucking embarassing... gg

am i missing something

[Draynth]

See i think I'm overthinking this because there's 2 possible things

[Draynth]

yeah ok i have no idea what it's about lol

Maybe somebody can tell me tomorrow

[Draynth]

Yeah I agree with you. I think he's gonna flip scum. Not entirely sure faustiv wouldn't have either but I just dont see that being TSTBS. Definitely not the way I wanted the day to end but I really couldn't tell where this was going. And I shouldn't have self voted, that probably will bite me in the ass tomorrow. Oh well. Hopefully this flips scum, and even if they still want to lynch me on the basis of thinking I was scum quicklynching for towncred I will have good associations to compare with.

Who do you think is eating the NK?

Are we going to ignore this?
It was an attempted fake mason slip, except with the cop flipping we know it's a lie

[Draynth]

ah yes, because that's a townie reaction for sure

[Draynth]

Like, if you're actually town I want to be wrong. I want you to explain to me what I'm missing / why that isn't a mason fake.
If you're town I want you to show me the "mistake" you made yesterday.

But you haven't even tried to do that. You insta voted me instead.

[Draynth]

Oh I have a thought on it alright but I'm happy enough to wait until you get back

[Draynth]

well that's fucking embarassing... gg

am i missing something

Either doesn't know or is pretending to not know that I am "masonslipping"

I hadn't worked it out yet

See i think I'm overthinking this because there's 2 possible things

Here he says 2 possibilities. At first I figured at least one of those would be that I was masonslipping, but I'll get to that in a second. I have no idea what the second one was supposed to be, but if I had to guess I would say he thought it could be a scumslip (that doesn't make any sense given my wording in the post).

The second was your vote on the previous page, I thought it was a hammerbait, especially when you said you were surprised i of all people hadn't noticed given I had mentioned falling for one in the previous game i had played.

yeah ok i have no idea what it's about lol

Maybe somebody can tell me tomorrow

Then he goes right back to not knowing? Seems awful convenient because:

Yeah I agree with you. I think he's gonna flip scum. Not entirely sure faustiv wouldn't have either but I just dont see that being TSTBS. Definitely not the way I wanted the day to end but I really couldn't tell where this was going. And I shouldn't have self voted, that probably will bite me in the ass tomorrow. Oh well. Hopefully this flips scum, and even if they still want to lynch me on the basis of thinking I was scum quicklynching for towncred I will have good associations to compare with.

Who do you think is eating the NK?

Are we going to ignore this?
It was an attempted fake mason slip, except with the cop flipping we know it's a lie

he apparently figured it out on his own.
Now I ask you, did he "figure it out" by rereading and thinking about it over the night phase?
Maybe.
But I am more inclined to believe that he knew what I was doing all along. And I expected he would know that the entire time as stated here:

I had worked it out before the "I have no idea what it is" post.
I figured it would make me more likely to be killed overnight if I knew. I needed to make sure that I made it through to today in case nobody else spotted it.

Given how the day ended I don't think it's unreasonable that I'd think you were scum trying to pull some sort of gambit to not be lynched today.
You also mentioned how I want to use it to mislynch you.
Did I vote you?
Did I tell others to vote you?
No. I brought it to the attention of the other players (admittedly in a shadethrowy way, I could've been more direct about it).
I brought it up because I want to see what other people think about it and if they think you're scum trying to live for another day or a townie who was trying to bait a NK.

also

@Geyde

I don't understand your point about 501. Would you mind explaining?

[Draynth]

Right, if anyobdy here were to genuinely think about the order of my posts from yesterday FROM MY POINT OF VIEW they'd understand why I think I'd be killed if scum!eth0s knew I spotted the mason slip.
Seriously, just think about it.

[Draynth]

I genuinely can't believe we're just accepting that that hammer happened yesterday.
I can't believe we're accepting that Egix still isn't providing any content whatsoever.
This is actually bonkers

also

@mod

Is there any chance we could get a day or two extension on account of the loading issues the past few days?

re. the 501 post

It's not something I brought up, I wasn't looking at the eth0s situation as a strictly mechanical issue, I wanted actual feedback on the mason slip

[Draynth]

Like, a reaonable part of your case against me Geyde is my interaction, or lack thereof with Egix.
You mentioned him exactly once day 1, where you lightly pushed him for more solving from his posts. That could very easily be you prodding him along as his scumpartner, no?
Then magically today you "want to focus on Egix and Draynth" and he's at the bottom of your scum pile right beside me?

[Draynth]

Sorry for the lack of content guys, I'm in my final year of university so the workload is piling on quite a bit at the minute.
Reading now.

[Draynth]

The hammer is weird and I didn't like it
But I looked at the macro and Ethos's plays don't make logical sense from scumpov. Fake mason is worse than faking any other PR as the PRs would instantly know it as fake. The only reason for him to fake mason is to draw NKs.

I wasn't talking about you in particular but thanks anyway, I think I overthought the situation considerably at end of day 1

Right, if anyobdy here were to genuinely think about the order of my posts from yesterday FROM MY POINT OF VIEW they'd understand why I think I'd be killed if scum!eth0s knew I spotted the mason slip.
Seriously, just think about it.

Ethos is arguing the same thing from the other side
The cases on both sides don't make feasible sense
I don't understand why you would be killed if you made known that you spotted the mason slip, considering flips
Do you have a particular reason to believe that, because I'm finding it extremely hard to get your viewpoint when it comes to Ethos.

I have a very good reason for all of the above, but I would

really

rather not get into it too much more today.
If I live to see tomorrow I'll happily revisit my reasoning for this without prompting.
I understand that's frustrating to hear and kind of scummy but that's the way it is right now.

He was townread by multiple players by the end of day 1, so why does he fakeclaim mason as scum?

My reasoning behind thinking he was scum for it when I spotted it was that scum!eth0s felt he needed to gambit in some way to get away with the awful hammer.

Why does he quickhammer as scum instead of as town there?

This is the thing I'm conflicted on.
Why would town!eth0s hammer without giving NMSA time to claim right after self voting?
(Talking about PR's is bad but it's a part of my thought process here so I can only apologise. If you don't want to discuss this part any further that's understandable, this is just what I was thinking.)
If town!eth0s were a PR, I can emphatise with his seeming sense of panic that a wagon might jump back onto him and he wants to avoid this where possible. But, there's no world where a town PR slips a different PR here, right? So he's probably a vt. I find it nuts that a VT would be so concerned about a wagon

possibly

forming back on them given how relatively surefire that NMSA wagon was.

Why, at a macro level, is Ethos definitely scum?

Absolutely no idea outside of conflicting thoughts described above

Your current additions to thread aren't doing anything to change my mind

I'm not actively trying to convince you that eth0s is scum. I never set out to do that.

I genuinely can't believe we're just accepting that that hammer happened yesterday.
I can't believe we're accepting that Egix still isn't providing any content whatsoever.
This is actually bonkers

Like, a reaonable part of your case against me Geyde is my interaction, or lack thereof with Egix.
You mentioned him exactly once day 1, where you lightly pushed him for more solving from his posts. That could very easily be you prodding him along as his scumpartner, no?
Then magically today you "want to focus on Egix and Draynth" and he's at the bottom of your scum pile right beside me?

If you had to say right now who was eth0s's scumbuddy, who would it be? You're throwing shade at both me and Geyde there.

...?
I don't even know if I think eth0s is scum.
I think you probably are.
If you get lynched and flip scum I think geyde is a possiblity, but I haven't looked into your interactions with anyone else and I'm probably OMGUS'ing geyde too

Ok so I think the teams are:

Egix/Dryanth

or

Geyde/eth0s

Feeling the former at the moment.

Anything new to add to the Egix/Draynth theory other than the interactions Geyde mentioned?
Why do you think Geyde/eth0s is a possible team?

I don't like splitting them up like this. Why do you think if one is scum, the other isn't? For example, if we lynch Egix and he flips scum, how does that make Dyranth automatically scum?

This feels like a townie reaction.
I don't think scum!Jamelia would be trying to contest this as it gives a lot of possible mislynch options

[Draynth]

also yeah about scum!draynth pushing faustiv here, I'd definitely have to try and bite the bullet and misylnch one of the more townread / directly opposing players today. As was mentioned, players like faustiv/egix are both easier to mislynch

[Draynth]

Last spam post.
I really hope it's not an issue but there's due to be a hurricane (possibly) hitting Ireland tomorrow / Friday. I can't imagine it'll cause any issues but I may have limited access so apologies for that too. Hopefully all will be ok

[Draynth]

I have a very good reason for all of the above, but I would

really

rather not get into it too much more today.
If I live to see tomorrow I'll happily revisit my reasoning for this without prompting.
I understand that's frustrating to hear and kind of scummy but that's the way it is right now.

In retrospect I also recognise that this is something scum!Draynth would say today to try and push a mislynch today then be in LYLO.
If I have intent put on me / think there will be if we're getting close to the deadline today I'll discuss everything then.

[Draynth]

He's easier to mislynch because he's been objectively scummy most of the game in my opinion, I'm planning to do an ISO dive when I get home later.
Because it's from a scum!Draynth pov I guess? I dunno I didn't really think about it

[Draynth]

I hope everything is okay with the hurricane draynth.

I have some objections to the logic in your spam posts I am going to get to later

Thank you.
It seemed to lose a lot of it's power (Is this how you describe a hurricane? I've no idea) overnight so it wasn't as bad as anticipated. Just going to be a lot of rain tonight.

Which brings me to Spangled.

I know Spangled has been a main town read for quite a while now, but I simply don't understand how someone who gave such an elaborate analysis at the beginning, really tried helping us, and then was very confident about the eth0s/aidan scum vote not being an active part of today's voting sequence. Ever since we decided that eth0s wasn't the way to go, Spangled as stayed relatively silent.

So, Spangled - I'd love to know where you are in this game at the moment, especially since you have been characterized as the "main town sided" player since pretty much the beginning.

This is actually something that I had noticed but never really came to the front of my mind to share

[Draynth]

The point I want to make is this. Both Airan and NMSA's BW's formulated pretty quickly to a point where they were in L! situations. For this reason I am going to mark eth0s as town

since the BW speed on his predecessor was the same as NMSA's

. Egix is a player who, at best, is a nullread and at worst a scumread. I don't think Egix has ever been townread this entire game, yet there seems to be a resistance on this lynch and a resistance to put him at L1.

I disagree with the bolded but I like the analysis comparison to the egix wagon, it's a good point

VOTE: Egix96

That's L-1. Please don't hammer without first claiming intent to do so.

[Draynth]

VOTE: faustiv

I still think he's the most likely scum here. I could've just gone ahead and voted him much sooner but oh well.

Why is faustiv the most likely scum here?
What exactly are you scumreading him for?

[Draynth]

Also

@Mod

Thank you for the deadline extension

[Draynth]

The point I want to make is this. Both Airan and NMSA's BW's formulated pretty quickly to a point where they were in L! situations. For this reason I am going to mark eth0s as town

since the BW speed on his predecessor was the same as NMSA's

. Egix is a player who, at best, is a nullread and at worst a scumread. I don't think Egix has ever been townread this entire game, yet there seems to be a resistance on this lynch and a resistance to put him at L1.

I disagree with the bolded

how? my wagon went up even faster

That's what I mean
The NMSA wagon wasn't nearly as fast as the airan/eth0s slot wagon formed

[Draynth]

I hope everything is okay with the hurricane draynth.

I have some objections to the logic in your spam posts I am going to get to later

Thank you.
It seemed to lose a lot of it's power (Is this how you describe a hurricane? I've no idea) overnight so it wasn't as bad as anticipated. Just going to be a lot of rain tonight.

Which brings me to Spangled.

I know Spangled has been a main town read for quite a while now, but I simply don't understand how someone who gave such an elaborate analysis at the beginning, really tried helping us, and then was very confident about the eth0s/aidan scum vote not being an active part of today's voting sequence. Ever since we decided that eth0s wasn't the way to go, Spangled as stayed relatively silent.

So, Spangled - I'd love to know where you are in this game at the moment, especially since you have been characterized as the "main town sided" player since pretty much the beginning.

This is actually something that I had noticed but never really came to the front of my mind to share

What did you notice about Spangled before that made you concerned?

Dyranth, can I get an answer to this question? You may have missed it but I'd like to hear how you feel about Spangled still.

Sorry. I saw it but forgot to reply to it.
I meant I had noticed the general dip in activity / posting compared to day 1 rather than anything specific

[Draynth]

Faustiv was let off rather easily too. And both of us sort of disengaged each other. I can't tell if that makes him town or if he is just complacent with letting me mislynch or get shot tonight

The only person who even scumread him hard was Dyranth and he was basically told off saying that targeting Faustiv was a easy mislynch.

I don’t think it’s a mislynch at this point.

When did I hard scumread faustiv today?

[Draynth]

Regardless everyone needs to give their thoughts on egix's alignment before the hammer.
If he gets lynched and anyone has plausible deniablity it makes day 3 awkward whether its LYLO or not

[Draynth]

above goes for faustiv if he gets lynched, its a universal point

[Draynth]

A faustiv lynch bothers me in a large way because of the fact that egix has been sitting on it ever since he was wagoned

[Draynth]

I think he (faustiv) is playing nice with me to try and get me to lynch egix (my other top 3 lynch of D1) instead of pushing faustiv. If faustiv were town he would definitely have had more people talking about lynching him today no?

it's hard to tell
the day has been pretty slow overall with a number of people (myself included) disappearing for large periods

[Draynth]

I think my townread on Geyde is more solid now, even if I disagree with some of his analysis. In some ways I don’t like his tone, but I think the way in which I don’t like his tone makes him more town, if that makes sense?
I’m quite liking Jam’s tone so far, just scrolling through his ISO and stopping at points — it’s actually all quite good.
I’m starting to paranoia about eth0s, but the last time I did that about a universal town read, they

were

town and it gave scum material to build off of to get them lynched in LyLo. I don’t think this is scum, but eth0s: can I see your most recent scumgame?

So that kinda narrows it down to faüstiv, egix and draynth, doesn’t it?
I’m going to do some ISOing here.

I still think Geyde is town. Could you quote any specific posts where you didn't like his tone?

As for Jam, there are actually a few posts of theirs where I remember not liking their tone. I'll see if I can find them. But apart from that, I agree that they are likely town, all things considered.

Also I'll admit I'm slightly paranoid about eth0s as well, but that's mainly because of Airan and how scummy he seemed to be. I'm just kinda hoping that we don't have another alien->Auro (from Newb1893) on our hands.

So yeah if I had to guess the exact scumteam right now it would be faust/draynth.

Spoiler: big post

As for Spam, although I do think that they have tunnel vision on me, I don’t believe their questioning and analysis is necessarily scummy. I’d like to give them the benefit of the doubt that they’re at least analyzing a lot of the game and have set their sets on one specific thing. I think that Spam would help us more if he focused on others just as much as he focused on me, but I digress.

Last sentence feels a bit deflectional?

So we’re at a L-2 on Aidan with Faustiv/Spam jumping on this rather quickly. Just an FYI before people continue voting.

I’d like to hear what Aidan has to say before we get to a L-1. I agree with what you’re saying but I don’t feel as strong of a scum read on Aidan as I do Faustiv at the moment. Especially after Faustiv switching his vote onto Aidan and then automatically talking about “oh I could have jumped on the other bandwagons but I jumped on THIS one, which is not scummy.”

With that being said I’d be fine with an Aidan lynch if his response is inadequate.

Jamellia why are you ok with an Airan lynch if I’m on the bandwagon? I’m one of your scumreads and I am advocating this lynch. Do you think me and Airan are a team?

I am ok with it if I believe that the response Airan gives is inadequate and scummy. I already said I don’t agree with the idea of Aidan being scum, but people expose themselves when the pressure is on, especially new players (from what I saw in my last game).

If that’s the case, then I may be wrong about you. For now, you’re still my main scumread which is why my
vote hasn’t changed off of you.

Beginning of first quote has a running commentary sort of tone which feels out of place.
Second quote feels like trying to walk back from an awkward position (first sentence in last paragraph especially).

Hi eth0s! Great analysis so far, except of course when you say you would have voted for me!

Part after comma feels strange, but the emote implies it's not entirely serious so... idrk.

UNVOTE: oh thank goodness someone is actually playing in the slot now and that's a good catchup. Airan scummed it up enough that I'm def still suspicious, but we're not lynching there today. Also, huh I'm not usually at L-1 d1, I might actually have to put in some effort.

If you put in this same effort as you’re doing right now, maybe you wouldn’t be in a L-1 situation? Can you please explain to me why you haven’t put in effort until now?

Tone here feels unnecessarily aggressive.

When is the deadline? If we don’t have a lynch by then, does it just go to the person with the most votes?

Not a tone thing per se, but I feel that the "no maj = no lynch" rule is something you likely would have remembered from your first Newbie game (iirc it's quite hard to miss in the rules) so this doesn't really feel like a genuine derp.


Whew that took a while. That only goes as far as EoD1 (it's a pretty big iso). Now I gotta eat and stuff. Bye for now.

Both of these posts just read like Egix trying to throw shade on as many people as possible

[Draynth]

A faustiv lynch bothers me in a large way because of the fact that egix has been sitting on it ever since he was wagoned

What does that mean to you exactly? I don't think I get where you're coming from

As in Egix was being wagoned, there was no counterwagon so he lazily votes faustiv (a reasonably probably mislynch candidate from a scum!Egix point of view)? It just doesn't feel townie to me

[Draynth]

I think he (faustiv) is playing nice with me to try and get me to lynch egix (my other top 3 lynch of D1) instead of pushing faustiv. If faustiv were town he would definitely have had more people talking about lynching him today no?

it's hard to tell
the day has been pretty slow overall with a number of people (myself included) disappearing for large periods

even so, people have been talking. everyone has. And has voiced opinions on other players. What doesn't make sense is the lack of discussion around me and faustiv given the events of day 1

Ah I mean i tried to on a number of occasions.
Geyde was very adamant that your actions come from a town POV and really didn't allow for much discussion around it

[Draynth]

A faustiv lynch bothers me in a large way because of the fact that egix has been sitting on it ever since he was wagoned

wait. faustiv has been on egix all day too though?

I hadn't really noticed that to be honest
Is it not weird though that Egix didn't vote faustiv despite apparently scumreading him from very early on day 2? (See 556). At the very least faustiv actually voted him, I guess that makes me think faustiv is more likely to be town between the two of them
I just think it's scummy that egix didn't vote faustiv, didn't try to put any pressure on him, didn't get anyone else talking about him etc. throughout the whole day but once he's being wagoned he votes him.

A faustiv lynch bothers me in a large way because of the fact that egix has been sitting on it ever since he was wagoned

What does that mean to you exactly? I don't think I get where you're coming from

As in Egix was being wagoned, there was no counterwagon so he lazily votes faustiv (a reasonably probably mislynch candidate from a scum!Egix point of view)? It just doesn't feel townie to me

This is reading VERY teamy to me. Trying to save Faustiv by pushing Egix even harder.

I think egix is more likely to be scum than faustiv, you're reading into it too much

[Draynth]

Faustiv locked his vote into Egix immediately from what I remember. And Egix was already talking about Faustiv being scummy on D1. I get what you’re saying but I think you’re giving a pass to Faustiv and amplifying your read on Egix

possibly, I've been prone to confirmation bias in the past

[Draynth]

Faustiv voted egix right after the weird turn around on eth0s so it wasn't right away iirc

[Draynth]

I know one thing for absolute certain right now. It isn't an egix/faustiv team. Meaning my Day 1 reads were definitely bad. At least 2/3 wrong on the scum. So the lack of discussion on me today implies that someone wants me to join a mislynch to further ruin my own towncred. Scum know I'm not a PR for multiple obvious reasons and therefore don't want to nk me. Seeing as how there's very little effort going towards the wagon that

should

make the most sense today out of {egix,faustiv} I am inclined to believe that egix is a mislynch and I'm supposed to eat rope tomorrow. There is no reason that a wagon being as uncontested as egix's could be scum at this point and have 0 resistance pointing towards me or faustiv.

all I can figure is that my mason fakeclaim is putting me in a position where scum don't want to touch me today and faustiv is being conveniently let off the hook by town and is scum with a buddy advocating against his death.

So, this all makes sense but I'm really paranoid that if faustiv gets lynched today and actually flips green, we're in a kind of shitty spot tomorrow where egix is still alive and it's LYLO
I dunno I think I need to reread the end of day 1 / start of day 2, it was all a bit hectic

[Draynth]

It's games like these where sometimes I wish we could get a tactical replacement in or something lol, so often new players to games just see things way clearer than everyone that has been in it since the start

[Draynth]

Something else to make note of are the players that are sitting back and letting all of this discussion happen.
I know it's all taken place in the space of an hour or two, but very often scum players will allow the town to overcomplicate things and confuse themselves.

I'm not saying we should just lynch faustiv or egix and to simplify things or anything, I just think it's worth noticing

[Draynth]

UNVOTE: Egix96
I want to think on this some more

[Draynth]

Sorry i had a long day at college
I keep going back and forth on it but I think I've decided that faustiv is marginally more likely to flip scum than egix. Although eth0s might have been overthinking some things I think the main point about lack of counterwagons was very valid in retroscpect.

I'ts worrying how little either of them have been doing to try and avoid being lynched thouugh

[Draynth]

So right now, unless I'm mistaken, Faustiv is at L-1 and Egix is at L-2?

I'm around all day tomorrow so can make changes if necessary but if everything stays the same as currently

I'll hammer faustiv

I feel like we may be able to gleam a lot from either of these lynches once we sit down at look at how either player flips + their interactions so tomorrow will be important

[Draynth]

I'ts worrying how little either of them have been doing to try and avoid being lynched thouugh

Moreso egix than faustiv i guess
I think scum would be more panicky about being lynched here, especially if egix saw that a faustiv wagon had gained some traction?

[Draynth]

Oh, I was wrong, they're both on L-2.
I'll wait for more people to give input before putting someone at L-1 then, like i said I'll be able to check regularly tomorrow

[Draynth]

So right now, unless I'm mistaken, Faustiv is at L-1 and Egix is at L-2?

I'm around all day tomorrow so can make changes if necessary but if everything stays the same as currently

I'll hammer faustiv

I feel like we may be able to gleam a lot from either of these lynches once we sit down at look at how either player flips + their interactions so tomorrow will be important

Explain why you think I am scum over Egix?

It's a common occurence for you to show up only when someone mentions scumreading you and not giving any commentary outside of that discussion.
Your day 1 play with regards to NMSA was bad. You mentioned him once where you said he was null leaning scum and right before he was lynched you were certain he was going to flip town. That was very scummy looking back on it, I even mentioned it at the time.
The lack of resistance on an egix wagon was worrying in retrospect. Perhaps he really is just scum who everyone was scumreading but I don't think I've ever really seen that happen without at least one person saying otherwise.

I dunno your play has just been weird to me

[Draynth]

Ok I'm awake
Reading through the past few pages now
I'll be around to hammer either before the deadline if needed so we need not worry about a nolynch

[Draynth]

Gah, I feel like I'm being persuaded by other people too much this game and I'm not really analysing whether what someone is saying makes sense or not

[Draynth]

Intent to hammer Egix

I think I'd be fine with either an egix or a faustiv lynch today, primarily because I'm feeling quite lost.
I'm going to try to do a lot of rereading during the night and try to sort out my thoughts because I'm next to useless right now

[Draynth]

VOTE: Egix96[/v]

[Draynth]

VOTE: Egix96

[Draynth]

VOTE: Egix96

What the heck

Hard CC'ing that claim

[Draynth]

I appreciate where you're coming from but yeah I'm the actual doctor so it's fine
PEdit: It's alright

[Draynth]

this is the answer to the whole reason I thought I would be NK'd by the way, In retrospect I kind of confused "noticing" the masonslip with "calling eth0s out on" if that makes sense?
Like when I was feigning not knowing about the claim before the flip I wanted to make sure I didn't get anywhere near the line of "I know you can't be a mason", so I just pretended I didn't spot it.
Then NMSA flipped cop and it was the same situation anyway

[Draynth]

Should start looking into Egix's partners.
Geyde actually sticks out to me for A) Something that's in my ISO that's I've mentioned between the two of them and B) Soft defending egix through a lot of his recent posts
Would be worth looking into for sure

Obviously the above is inherenetly biased since it's the only one I ever looked at

[Draynth]

Also was lookin’ around... Draynth’s ISO sucks, apart from a few moments that could be construed as proper solving. So much question-asking and answering, but little in the way of thought process or a willingness to solve the game. I can also see this being kinda... commentating-town, though.’

Honestly It's been a combination of bad play on my part, and not wanting to be too loud with any thoughts I might have as a PR
Mostly the bad play thing though

[Draynth]

If there's a doctor I think I know who it is. If there isn't then I think that person is going to fakeclaim it. I don't know how to approach this without potentially putting a doctor in the coffin so I'm just going to leave it at that.

I will say that veggie's play did not strike me at all as PR play. I don't see how anyone else would consider it to be PR play either. If I'm correct in assuming that then I think veggie would be a weird nightkill if we have a doctor. Of course more goes into a NK than hoping they are a PR but that is definitely going to be a high priority to any semi experienced player. And a lot of people in here seem to be pretty aware of things, at least at times.

What I'm saying is I think I am leaning on there not being a doctor even more than I previously was. And if I'm correct in that assessment then I also think faustiv may be a mislynch. But this line of thinking cannot take precedence over the individual scuminess of faustiv so I think I'm just going to have to take a risk here.

This post has aged well

[Draynth]

(Provided this flips scum) I wanted to say what this does for certain people's alignments but I fear that if I start spewing about how X people are now locktown without a shadow of a doubt I might actually be left alive and perma roleblocked so there's doubt about the claim?
That's provided egix isn't the roleblocker that is

[Draynth]

VOTE: NMSA
I’ve mislynched you before let’s do it again!
Ah, whoops, I... uh...
Didn’t... uh...

You know what’s aged better?
This.

a classic

[Draynth]

I also don't want to get them killed, but I guess in that situation we have a virtually locktown claimed doctor anyway

Ah whatever,
Yeah so no chance in hell eth0s is scum here. Had multiple chances to just sit on the faustiv wagon but the constant back and forth that had me all over the place is for sure town.
You most likely are too, but regardless of the wagon the reaction to the lynch is very townie so that's almost a given too.
Faustiv is probably town given Egix had him picked as the counterwagon.

I think out of {Jamelia, Geyde} It's probably Geyde but that's my gut, I never looked into Jamelia at all.

[Draynth]

Yeah so no chance in hell eth0s is scum here. Had multiple chances to just sit on the faustiv wagon but the constant back and forth that had me all over the place is for sure town.

if eth0s is scum this game someone get him a god damn medal

[Draynth]

There has been a lynch, it's on the previous page

[Draynth]

Actually I shouldn't have said that

[Draynth]

If egix flips MRB then draynth is conftown but 99% does anyway. If this flips MRB and draynth is alive day 2 then a real doctor (if it isnt draynth) NEEDS to claim on day 2 because a claim should not be accepted in mylo/lylo now.

this is an autolose situation for scum btw

goon!Egix claims Doctor only to be CC'd by rb!Draynth.
rb!Draynth get's CC'd by __town_Doctor__

You have enough time to lynch all 3 of the above in any order

[Draynth]

If there's a doctor I think I know who it is. If there isn't then I think that person is going to fakeclaim it. I don't know how to approach this without potentially putting a doctor in the coffin so I'm just going to leave it at that.

I will say that veggie's play did not strike me at all as PR play. I don't see how anyone else would consider it to be PR play either. If I'm correct in assuming that then I think veggie would be a weird nightkill if we have a doctor. Of course more goes into a NK than hoping they are a PR but that is definitely going to be a high priority to any semi experienced player. And a lot of people in here seem to be pretty aware of things, at least at times.

What I'm saying is I think I am leaning on there not being a doctor even more than I previously was. And if I'm correct in that assessment then I also think faustiv may be a mislynch. But this line of thinking cannot take precedence over the individual scuminess of faustiv so I think I'm just going to have to take a risk here.

This post has aged well

You were the person lol. Other than picking it up from slights of context you gave it away in a certain post. I hope you're the real doctor but also RIP if you are

I knew don't worry

[Draynth]

If egix flips MRB then draynth is conftown but 99% does anyway. If this flips MRB and draynth is alive day 2 then a real doctor (if it isnt draynth) NEEDS to claim on day 2 because a claim should not be accepted in mylo/lylo now.

this is an autolose situation for scum btw

goon!Egix claims Doctor only to be CC'd by rb!Draynth.
rb!Draynth get's CC'd by __town_Doctor__

You have enough time to lynch all 3 of the above in any order

I think I misread what you said

I interpreted it as if Egix flips as goon

[Draynth]

On the flip side if he's a goon you're really doc you could also be continuously roleblocked and left alive so that we suspect you as a fakeclaimer. I think this situation would've been less likely had you not claimed. I'm still not sure what compelled you to claim?

I was excited
I figured it was already blindingly obvious given the tells + instant hammer
It was a mistake though

Also yeah I mentioned that possibility on the last page

[Draynth]

If I were scum with egix wouldn't I have just forced a lynch on faustiv way harder and then done the whole CC thing tomorrow though?

[Draynth]

I know it's all WIFOM coming from me but idk there are more likely partners than me for egix here

[Draynth]

This was a wild game.

Thanks to EP for modding! Was a great experience as always.

Really well played to everyone this game, especially the scum team. You guys did a great job.

[Draynth]

That spectator thread was a great read