Mini Normal 2101 - Electronic Music Mafia [GAME OVER]

[Robbnva]

Sup

[Robbnva]

VOTE: azuresky

Serious vote.

[Robbnva]

An OMGUS vote. Cute. Let me return the favor

Wasn’t an omgus vote but thanks for admitting you’re scum. Day 1 is gonna be easy.

[Robbnva]

Btw for those at home counting, Luca is at 4.

Personally idc if he gets lynched, but theres scummier people at hand right now

@L-2
VOTE: luca

The wrong person is at l-2 imo.

[Robbnva]

Skitter, this was 100% serious.

And why you’re scum.

Can we lynch this dude now? We aren’t in a newbie game. Town doesn’t scum read that. Scum looking for an easy target does.

[Robbnva]

Sup

My Dudes

Good morning everyone. I hope everyone is having a good day today.

Good day to you all.

Oh theres scum in this by the way. Id say... 2!

.

Skitter, this was 100% serious.

GEE I WONDER WHOS NAME IS ON THAT LIST OF PEOPLE I SAID ARE POSSIBLE SCUM.

OH LOOK, ITS ROBB.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?

I didn’t vote you cause you called me scum though. If you were town you’d ask me why I voted you. You don’t care to sort people. Understand motives.

You’re scum. Point blank Game over

[Robbnva]

It’s ridiculous basing any kind of read on ‘sup’, let’s be honest.

And stop shouting, it’s annoying.

This. He’s not town. You should vote him.

[Robbnva]

It’s ridiculous basing any kind of read on ‘sup’, let’s be honest.

And stop shouting, it’s annoying.

Shut up and go V/LA.

A rude scum. You’re a real piece of work.

[Robbnva]

If it gets you to talk then sure.

Also Robb “serious voted” me after that post so yeah, I got scum in there

Yes I did. What does that prove? Nothing. You can’t make up fake scum tells and you certainly not can’t falsely accuse of something and get away with it.

[Robbnva]

Robb's vote seemed more like a lolvote to me than seriously a serious vote.

It was but it’s dead serious now.

[Robbnva]

He didn't say why he was seriously voting if he was infact seriously voting so idk unless he wants you out of the game ASAP or something.

And he didn’t bother to ask. Town would ask.

[Robbnva]

What is even going on lol

Normally I'm the one starting the shitstorm

No that’s me. Sorry I’m late to the party. I was busy but better late than never.

Sheep me. I’m right this time.

[Robbnva]

PM’s post makes him town. I shouldnt have to explain but im sure Ill have to explain it to people like they’re five.

Robb is a funny guy. Appreciate the effort. Ill go more into him later this weekend when I hear from other players.

Of course you have to cause PMs posts don’t make him anything. Nobody can have a serious town read on him. Since you do I assume you’re informed.

[Robbnva]

I mean...

What scum is gonna go metasearch someone robb?

Good ones. I’ve done it as scum. I’ve seen others. You are also clearly an alt so you can’t even use the newbie card.

You have no interest in figuring things out and you give out town reads way to easy.

If it looks like a scum
And acts like a scum

Yep. You’re scum.

[Robbnva]

@havo. Vote this dude please. He doesn’t make sense. He makes false accusations, gives town reads way to easily to be town.

[Robbnva]

The way you said it, implies Pm is a solid read. That’s suspicious cause he’s made 2 posts. Even if you didn’t actually meant to slip, he shouldn’t even be a mild town read. It’s suspicious cause you look informed.

Generating conversation itself doesn’t mean anything. Town and scum can do that. You have to be generating useful discussion. You have to generate useful discussion. Maybe if you did something like asked good questions you could show you did something townie. Falsely accusing somebody isn’t townie. Not asking me why I voted you, shows a lack of desire in figuring out motive.

So to me you’re confirmed scum.

[Robbnva]

You didn’t answer his questions. Not very townie

[Robbnva]

He didn’t even ask why you voted Luca. How can you claim you’re town when you directly avoid questions also

[Robbnva]

Also I answered the question. Next

No you didn’t. Townies also don’t lie. That with you’re false accusation is two lies.

Sorry your scum game is weak. Better luck next time.

[Robbnva]

I am Titus

[Robbnva]

Especially since rob hasn’t been scummy

[Robbnva]

Havo. Vote him. No town reason to ignore the question twice.

[Robbnva]

Because that's not a good case.

[Robbnva]

I was agreeing with you. The havo push is weak.

Thank you. My push is definitely the best option.

[Robbnva]

Don’t put words on my mouth

[Robbnva]

Robb is deathtunneling the first person who got suspicious of him,

Yet another lie. How can you say you’re town yet lie constantly?

[Robbnva]

I have a question.

If you think that Tchill, Robb and Fallsoul are scums then why would you want Luca vigged tonight? What is even your read on him?

Cause he’s scum.

[Robbnva]

I'm not willing to make Azure flip right now, I think there's a good chance she flips green.

Why? What about her play has been town?

[Robbnva]

Lying isn’t good either. If you somehow flip town, please going forward don’t lie. Don’t falsely accuse people of stuff also cause that’s basically lying also.

[Robbnva]

Nomnomnom is scum. That weak push on havo and now it looks like they're trying to get ahead of this lynch and say "I told you so" when azure flips green.

Any chance he’s just defending his buddy?

[Robbnva]

Cause az isn’t flipping green imo.

[Robbnva]

I'm just eyerolling at the fact im getting deathtunneled and venge-voted by Robb and Luca, respectively.

Why did you make an assumption about me and react instead of asking why I voted? You started it all by doing that so please explain.

[Robbnva]

Maybe that's me having a bias for experience but a player having more mafia experience knows how to appear more town over time and to make sure they're not the center of attention. That or it's a subversion of that idea and people come to expect it out of them. But they're an alt that no one knows, so it cannot be possibly a subversion, just a natural state of being.

So basically too scummy to be scum?

What if he’s an alt and knows that people tend to town read people who act like that and that was his goal?

[Robbnva]

I've made the mistake of eternally casing someone in guns and roses 2 for being a bad townie and making contradicting statements and in general pushing the game in a deadly direction, and that lead to scums being able to just lay low and let the game come to its conclusion, and given the weird confusing statements that indicate some people are not following the game and take this opportunity to vote Azure? I think there is a high possibility that Azure is mislynch bait.

I make that mistake also but how can you look past it? Somebody who screams scum, can’t be written off as town. At least I don’t know how to do that. But if I was somehow able to, the people trying to leverage that to their advantage look bad. Sort of like what you’re doing

[Robbnva]

If azure is lynched and flips green nomnom looks better.

Why? I think he would look worse.

[Robbnva]

Claiming does nothing.

Robb is going to vote me no matter what.

You really should stop making assumptions

[Robbnva]

Would you mind taking a look at his posts? My point is that Fallsoul is a new player that appears to not follow the game correctly, and a player like this ending on Azure's wagon is a very bad sign.

Why? Newer players tend to follow the crowd. It’s rare to see a new player confident enough to lead.

[Robbnva]

Is there a universe in which this shitfest subsides anytime soon and we can all get along better?
Because I can't read anyone right now, and I don't want to dig deeper in these interactions

Where do you think we should be directing our attention? Didn’t you give intent earlier? So you think he could be scum but also want us to move past it?

Maybe I’m misunderstanding something. Explain please.

[Robbnva]

Again, I would like to underline the fact that he does not follow the game correctly and therefore makes weird comments, rather than following the group.

Do you honestly think scum would do that? Scum need to make sure they are paying attention imo. You’d have to think he’s pretending and idk how you prove that.

[Robbnva]

I've seen inexperienced scum do that mistake before (I referenced a player as well, bob3141 in a large that did this exact thing) so yes, I do think some players would do that just to appear like they're discussing.

In mafia you have to play the odds. Low percentage means less likely. You really going to scum read somebody for doing something that probably rarely happens?

[Robbnva]

You’re in no position to give advice to anyone. You can’t even ask a simple question before jumping to conclusions and hi and falsely accuse people that’s not even true.

I can’t stop death tunneling so telling me to stop is like telling water to stop being wet.

[Robbnva]

No you fuck off you stupid bitch. Go play scum better and stay the fuck away from me going forward. You’re lucky I said bitch cause the C word fits your shitty attitude ass much better but the c word probably gets me a “vacation” which I don’t want.

You don’t like what happens, play better or stop playing. Now piss off

[Robbnva]

None of this is necessary... Can we just chill?

She said fuck you to me for no reason so no I can’t chill.

[Robbnva]

Did I say fuck you first? No

So yes no reason.

[Robbnva]

Where is skitter? He’s been quiet.

[Robbnva]

Ah missed that. My bad.

[Robbnva]

Oh an he is a she. My bad

[Robbnva]

Robb- Came off as really defensive based on the accusation, which doesn't sit well.

Defending myself from a false accusation isn’t being defensive thank you very much.

[Robbnva]

I’m kinda looking at who sat back during that wagon.

[Robbnva]

I could have sworn havo had more posts. Surprised he’s a low poster. PM was basically absent the entire day phase. Flubber was quiet also. These 3 definitely need to post more.

[Robbnva]

Obviously it’s personally motivated. He was just so angry about being lynched.

[Robbnva]

Obviously it’s personally motivated. He was just so angry about being lynched.

You say that because you're implicated so

Along with like 6 others so... too

[Robbnva]

I think it’s pretty obvious she said those things in anger rather than considering them rationally.

This. Suggesting he’s accurately called 7 people scum is stupid. Trying to shade me for stating the obvious is shady as fuck.

VOTE: vork

Good place to start imo.

[Robbnva]

It’s pure scattergunning. She calls half the player list scum so that when she gets the spoilers in the dead thread she can say ‘I told you so, look how good i am’.

She clearly didn’t really believe I was scum, but she stuck me in there because it would have really bruised her ego if I had fooled her.

I used to do that early on. Vote half the player list and claim I’m awesome.

I can name 7 people and say 1/2 could be scum and is be just as likely to be correct.

[Robbnva]

Vork actually taking that list seriously is lazy. It’s something I can see scum doing. I won’t death tunnel him (yet) but he needs to step it up if he’s not scum.

[Robbnva]

They showed an inability to have a rational thought process so you can do what you want. I don’t trust any of their reads.

[Robbnva]

i definitely can't wait to get your reads.

[Robbnva]

I don't want to push any scum read unless I'm certain about it

Seems like a cop out if you ask me. Part of this game IS pushing scum reads. You did nothing day 1 and now you don’t want to do anything day 2 until you’re certain?

Nah that’s not ok

[Robbnva]

since as stated by so many people, it clearly is not an all-town wagon.

Why can’t it be?

They do happen. The way she was playing definitely was annoying and pissing off townies. Why couldn’t scum lay low and then take advantage?

[Robbnva]

Prodding Fallsoul.

[Robbnva]

lol

[Robbnva]

Why is it when I don’t tunnel somebody, games feels like it’s dead?

[Robbnva]

Some of these are "policy" reads but I hope that will change as the day goes along and they contribute something AI.

can I ask when you will start contributing something? Kind of odd to wait for others but you've done literally nothing this day phase but scum read me for stating the obvious

[Robbnva]

why not vote vork?

why PM over vork?

[Robbnva]

I agree with you about pm. There is a few people who are underwhelming which is annoying cause they can't all be town.

[Robbnva]

yes, Fall looks to not have logged on since the 21st. I am sitting back because I feel like everyone heard from me enough and I like where my vote is at for now. That bs shading vork did just annoyed me and I don't see why town would do that. Plus he isn't providing any content which makes his post hilarious. How can he be waiting for others when he isn't doing anything himself.

PM/Flubber/Havo were low posters day 1 and remain that way today. Anyone who has less posts than the mod can seriously go F themselves. That should never happen. Fall hasn't posted in 5 days and has more posts than those 3.

[Robbnva]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

What about vork?

Probably Fall but I don’t really town read anyone

[Robbnva]

When you get lynched constantly, wouldn't you want to be more cautious about what you say or do as well

no not at all.

As town first you shouldn't worry about being lynched. townies get lynched all the time. Second, if you are being transparent about your reads and pushing them, you shouldn't be lynched for that. People usually get lynched cause they do scummy stuff and pushing scum reads for good reasons usually isn't looked at as scummy.

So for example, everything you are doing this game is nothing like what I just described and people see you as scummy looking because of that.


get it? don't be afraid to push scum reads. don't be afraid to vote cause you aren't locked in. Votes are also used for pressure.

Even if you are rusty, none of this has ever changed. I have trouble believing you don't already know this.

[Robbnva]

{}
{Luca}
{skitter, HAvo, Tchill}
{Jigglypuff, soul, Flubber}
{Robb}

Some of these are "policy" reads but I hope that will change as the day goes along and they contribute something AI.

any chance you are going to explain any of these reads or actively do anything to pursue/sort them or are you just going to sit there doing nothing?

[Robbnva]

I hate their music: Luca, Vork

I've never heard of them: Pmysterious, flubb, fallsoul

I'd go to a concert for free: skitter, Robb, Havo

I bought front row tickets: (still saving my money)

You wouldn't buy front row for mine?

Spoiler:

[Robbnva]

shit I fucked that up lol

[Robbnva]

Spoiler:

[Robbnva]

We’ve played together multiple times, how can you say my tunneling isn’t town?

[Robbnva]

I have no memory of playing with you

Jake from State Farm
Beck
Derpy hooves

I’m sure I have others I don’t remember. Odds are if you’re playing with a new player who death tunnels it’s probably me

[Robbnva]

Titus...

[Robbnva]

I’m not familiar with your games. I just recognize names.

[Robbnva]

Lord give me the strength

[Robbnva]

I can buy flavor as a middle child actually.

[Robbnva]

I was referring more to the way you play.

[Robbnva]

I think I just get so annoyed with you that I either try to get you lynched or just give up. When we’re on opposite pushes it’s exhausting lol.

So have you read yet? Have any reads?

[Robbnva]

Oh boy

Why did you ignore my question?

[Robbnva]

Can we just consolidate onto vork? He’s criticized others for doing the same he has. His top scum read is omgus, he’s not explaining his reads and he certainly isn’t trying to sort people.

[Robbnva]

Why are havo and robb townie?

Why am I not?

[Robbnva]

I’ve done more than half the player list including you so da fuck you talkin bout Willis?

[Robbnva]

You just joined the wagon I’m pushing. Obviously I’m doing something

[Robbnva]

@skitter- come on. What even is this push.
You know my MO when it comes to scum games so if you think this even compares to cats then I have nothing but facepalm emojis for you

so why do you think skitter is town?

[Robbnva]

Robb has one trick in his book and every other posts comes from his "lets hypertunnel" agenda. I don't know if this lack of nuance is his town play, but I can see it go both ways.

I'm your top scum read and this is why?

[Robbnva]

I don’t get the lack of interest in a PM lynch. His recent post was ok but overall then isn’t much that makes me feel like he is Town.

I would be willing to compromise on lynching any of the following: Slitter, Tchill, Flavor.

Vorkuta is probably Town due to the lack of action in the game while he’s been main wagon.

I can get behind a pm lynch also but vork just said he has an unexpected v/la so you can't really give him town points for being inactive, assuming he is telling the truth.

This part about PM

"His recent post was ok but overall then isn’t much that makes me feel like he is Town"

could easily be applied to vork, minus the "his recent post was ok" part.

[Robbnva]

The main problem is the game is in a lifeless state.

[Robbnva]

i've been keeping the pressure on you so you can contribute something of value, so what you call a one trick pony, I call pressuring a lurker who had a scummy play day one, scummy vote day 1, and isn't doing anything to produce game content to analyze.

the only reason i chose you over the others is you tried to shade me for stating the obvious. Something that i don't think I have seen anyone disagree with. I don't see town motivation for that.

You are most likely scum imo, worse case I am wrong and you are just a useless turd who doesn't care about finding scum. Who doesn't care about playing to their win condition. Either way I don't give a shit anymore.

At least 5 people who haven't contributed anything useful. We have 2/3 scum so that means there are townies out there who are in my opinion, playing against their win condition.

[Robbnva]

Vork actually taking that list seriously is lazy. It’s something I can see scum doing. I won’t death tunnel him (yet) but he needs to step it up if he’s not scum.

As of 8:20 this morning. I have waited a full week for you to contribute. We now have 2 days, 8 hours to decide who to lynch and you still have done nothing. I gave you the chance to step it up and you chose not to. get wrecked



WTF is going on with this website? Can we buy some new hamsters or something? slow as fuck

[Robbnva]

You haven't.

that's a lie

[Robbnva]

and you still have done nothing

a slight hyperbole just like the one you made right ^, so don't expect to get away with the double standard of bending the truth

I’ve asked people questions in an attempt to generate content so fuck off with your hyperbole bullshit

[Robbnva]

I don’t even think I can find 5 posts in your iso that looked like genuine scum hunting. That’s a problem if you’re town.

[Robbnva]

And pretty sure there isn’t 1 post this day phase

[Robbnva]

@skitter- come on. What even is this push.
You know my MO when it comes to scum games so if you think this even compares to cats then I have nothing but facepalm emojis for you

so why do you think skitter is town?

Don’t really appreciate you ignoring this question. You talk to skitter like you know he’s town. You ignoring it makes me think I may be right. Unless he’s your scum buddy. Either way it looks weird.

[Robbnva]

So.... if we reduce everything down to the bare minimum, your case on me is reducible to
-'OMGUS because rob was horrible to azure on D1 and pointing that out is bad'
-'vork doesnt contribute as town'
And I'm going to address the second one, but I'll have to stop feeding the troll arguing with you long enough to get there.

not exactly, but even if this was correct, it's better than anything you have provided. like if I am wrong about you and you are town

DO SOMETHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Robbnva]

skitter and papa leaf are just players that I probably will never be able to read confidently and the hypothetical utility that they may bring to town will outweigh any case I may come up with for lynching either of them early.

[Robbnva]

VOTE: tchill- reread his ISO, disagree with his D1 play, don't like his D2 pushes

that's so vague and useless...

how about you stop being lazy and provide some examples of even an explanation. What about his d1 play was worse than yours? What is wrong with his D2 push? He has at least been here making one so why is that scummy when you haven't been?

cmon, show me i'm wrong about you. Do something that doesn't look scummy please. I will be death tunneling you for the remainder of the game until you are either lynched, somebody clears you, or you show me you are town.

[Robbnva]

mod, I will be v/la through Friday

[Robbnva]

Flavor was saying that he intended to defend Vorkuta, who was the main wagon at the time, but found this remark to be scummy.

Oh boy

I was actually going to come in defending this slot a little, but I think this is scum indicative.

Not how I interpreted that at all. I took it to mean he was going to defend the slot he replaced. The reason why I think that’s what he meant is because lots of people think it’s scummy to come in and defend the slot you replaced. There wouldn’t be anything scummy about him coming in defending anyone else if he had a reason to.

[Robbnva]

All right guys and gals. Having surgery in the morning. Won’t be active much tomorrow.

[Robbnva]

Sorry guys. Let me get caught up.

[Robbnva]

Azuresky (6):

Robbnva

, Luca Blight,

Fallsoul

, Tchill13,

Azuresky

,

Vorkuta

Vorkuta (5):

Robbnva

, skitter30, Havo, Tchill13, Luca Blight

so just on the surface, one of tchill and luca are scum. Sure it could be an all town wagon but those are rare.


I need to look at the NKs and see who each of those guys were suspecting to see if I can get anything from that.

[Robbnva]

Nom was suspicious of fallsoul (town) and Havo(?)

[Robbnva]

Fl didn't suspect anyone and claimed vt? that's a dead end. Why was he killed?

[Robbnva]

Luca is town, did you read the last few pages???

Nom was sus of fallsoil and tchill iirc

not yet. how is luca town?

[Robbnva]

We should prob mass claim

red flag.

[Robbnva]

I feel like Tchill is scum and Skitter and Havo were the ones protecting him.

can you show some examples of this? I am thinking it is tchill possibly but I don't recall any protecting.

[Robbnva]

ok i guess i'll claim now

i'm a joat
1s loyal vanilla cop - on luca n1; i got back vanilla townie
1s loyal visitor - on fl last night

To clarify, i actually got back vanilla, but since i'm loyal that functionally means vt

so that is under the assumption you aren't lying. Luca isn't clear

[Robbnva]

We should prob mass claim

red flag.

Do tell

asking for mass claims is always sketchy as fuck. I hate mass claims and i don't ever see a point.

[Robbnva]

asking one as a pr especially doesn't make sense, makes me think it's a fake claim. Maybe trying to clear your buddy? idk yet but I don't like the ask

[Robbnva]

Did you even claim yet

no, and I won't be

[Robbnva]

Not to mention Flavor’s only specified SR was Skitter, if I recall correctly.

oh, i missed that in my skim of FL's post. interesting.

tchil/skitter/??

maybe

[Robbnva]

asking one as a pr especially doesn't make sense, makes me think it's a fake claim. Maybe trying to clear your buddy? idk yet but I don't like the ask

Of course it makes sense, how else do you put all the claims together

haven't seen them all yet but if we have a lot, somebody is lying obviously.

[Robbnva]

Did you even claim yet

no, and I won't be

Well this is a dumb hill to die on

except i don't think i will die on a hill

[Robbnva]

I got eyes on FLub atm. will need to reread.

Why flub?

[Robbnva]

I dont do half-assed defenses of scum partners like that

[Robbnva]

694 is where i am stopping for now. i'll try to get back to this after my doctor's appointment

[Robbnva]

you said there are multiple claims already, so you don't really need mine.

If you want to policy lynch me go ahead but I don't care about dying. Probably would be doing me a favor.

[Robbnva]

The fact that you aren't willing to claim is sketchy as well

why?

[Robbnva]

if I am against the idea of mass claiming, do you think i care how mass claiming works?

[Robbnva]

i'm not getting bogged down on arguing about mass clams. not worth it

[Robbnva]

but why aren't you willing to do so?

cause i don't see a point to it.

we can have this discussion post game if you want.

[Robbnva]

Except now there IS A POINT!

like I said, we can discuss the pros and cons to mass claiming at another time.

[Robbnva]

no, and I won't be

[Robbnva]

@skitter, why choose Luca?

[Robbnva]

so I need to look through havo and skitter's iso at some point. one of those is probably scum.

I will look at who they scum read and town read to see if I can find associations with tchill/luca/flubber

[Robbnva]

I”ve played with Rob and Tchill a fair amount, I feel i can read them okay after a day or two, but this being a small mini might present some challenges when it comes to that. I’m leaning slight town on both at the moment.

@havo - what caused your change from me/tchill null to town. What did you read in those two hours between posts to change your mind?

[Robbnva]

sorry, my bad it was the next day. but same question applies. what changed your mind on us?

[Robbnva]

vote PM mysterious

I can get onboard with this.

can you explain how pm went from null to lynch worthy? you make a later post having him in your lynch pool so i'd love to hear your thoughts about how you got there

[Robbnva]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

this list just looks like a bunch of easy targets.

[Robbnva]

Okay Luca hang in there. I’ll be more active for sure. And I thing this game will pick up when Flavor gets involved.

hmm

[Robbnva]

I think I have seen enough. Last thing noteworthy is vork went to being most likely scum but I don't really see a progression of how he got there.

now to iso skitter

[Robbnva]

this is one of the games where i have too many scumreads and don't have nearly enough townreads

skitter's day 1 play was not helpful because it ended fast and she wasn't around.

Don't like this post. Looks like she's keeping her options open

[Robbnva]

yeah this is generally a p bad reason to townread me

but why would scum point this out?

[Robbnva]

I think Luca, Flub and Pmysterious need rope.

"but why tchill, explain yourself"

I dont like overly explaining this early. Those are the ones i think should be pushed.

y flub ?
y pm ?

noting tchill also kind of had a easy target list, outside of luca.

[Robbnva]

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

i wanna add vork to this
not sure if flub should be in this
prob not pm either tbh

why did you say flub and pm should be removed? You were accusing PM of iioa which is genuinely scum indicative.

[Robbnva]

need a break, but out of skitter/havo I am still torn. Havo has scummier posts but I don't like skitter for asking for mass claim. Skitter does ask a lot of questions but that's easy to do as scum.

it could easily be havo/tchill but I think the last time I played them I scum read them both and was wrong. Pointing that out there myself to 8 mile them.

[Robbnva]

skitter, please quote havos crumb.

why are you asking this again?

[Robbnva]

because he never quoted it.

correct, but she explained why she didn't quote it.

why would you ask somebody else to point out the crumb when you already did it?

[Robbnva]

My Dudes

this is the best crumb ive ever seen.

see?

you asking somebody else to quote that post is useless.

asking her to do it again after she already said that you quoted it, looks literally makes no sense.

what are you trying to accomplish?

[Robbnva]

"my dudes"

wtf is the crumb there?

you said it was the best one you have ever seen now you are acting like you don't understand how it is a crumb.

which is it?

[Robbnva]

my head is about to explode. im not allowed to be sarcastic?

the fact you were actually sarcastic blows my mind. Havo claims Motion detector, so of course that post looks like a MD crumb.

[Robbnva]

robb what do you think of my questions about vork/pm interactions?

wait, which question?

[Robbnva]

Yeah and not claiming in possiblr lylo is policy-able and dumb

why?


just cause something is universally accepted, doesn't mean it's right.

for years and years smoking was universally accepted and now we know it kills you.


I play to scum hunt. Knowing who is "claiming" a role and who isn't doesn't tell me who is actually telling the truth.

If I town read everyone who claimed a PR, then the lynch pool, is just the VTs but I don't think everyone who has claimed a role is telling the truth.


When did people get lazy? What happened to good old fashioned scum hunting?

[Robbnva]

PM sent vork the friendly neighbor message d1 and on d2 Vork had her as a scum lean but PM never reacted to that at all.

ah, missed that. That is a good question. PM should have been top of the list unless vork never got the message.

[Robbnva]

What i said is that it's impossible to make set-up based assessments of people's alignments without knowing thr whole picture, this is not at all the same thing

exactly.

don't be a lazy twat. scum hunt

[Robbnva]

I have seen town lynch PRs because "your role doesn't make sense in the setup" only to be wrong.

[Robbnva]

not only is it weird that Vork didnt do that but PM just let that crap go.

yes, ok I get what you are throwing down now. sorry my head is fucked up

@skitter - nom was a jk already. Just no idea who nom would have jk'd

[Robbnva]

so tchill, if pm is lying then how did luca get a result?

it can't be pm/luca because skitter has luca as town unless you think it's the three of them.

none of this makes any sense.

[Robbnva]

vork was a terrible player but I can't see him scum reading somebody he was told is town.

luca did "mis understand" his message from the mod

[Robbnva]

Honk

[Robbnva]

Luca is conftown soo

No she isn’t

[Robbnva]

Didnt someone conf robb

Luca and then retracted

[Robbnva]

I’m Town Motion Detector.

I crumbed it in my very first post.

I scanned Nom nite 1, I detected motion and he wound up the nite kill.

The person I scanned last nite is still alive.

Nope

[Robbnva]

Idk why he didn’t announce that when he claimed

[Robbnva]

Idk why he didn’t announce that when he claimed

you dont get to make that statement if youre not gonna claim.

I like jokes.

[Robbnva]

robb. whats the difference between vork and flub?

What do you mean?

[Robbnva]

i mean i think both slots were pretty similar and you havent commented on flub much at all. obviously once pressure built up vork gave more content but b4 pressure was applied i think they were practically the same. Vork got pushed. Why vork instead of flub?

1. I’ve mentioned flubber plenty actually. Day 2 and today even.

2. Vork provoked me in a very scummy way. Trying to shade me for stating fact. I don’t see why town would do that. That started the ball rolling. That’s how his wagon started. I didn’t hop on after for Lester reasons or no reasons at all.

[Robbnva]

somebody check flubs iso and tell me flub has tried to catch scum.

all they did was give a reason for !town Vork.

No flub has been useless all game. I’ve said that multiple times already. Glad you finally noticed. Better late than never?

[Robbnva]

robb explain in detail why flub doesnt fall underneath this description.

He does. Glad you read my day 2 posts.

[Robbnva]

I could have sworn havo had more posts. Surprised he’s a low poster. PM was basically absent the entire day phase. Flubber was quiet also. These 3 definitely need to post more.

yes, Fall looks to not have logged on since the 21st. I am sitting back because I feel like everyone heard from me enough and I like where my vote is at for now. That bs shading vork did just annoyed me and I don't see why town would do that. Plus he isn't providing any content which makes his post hilarious. How can he be waiting for others when he isn't doing anything himself.

PM/Flubber/Havo were low posters day 1 and remain that way today. Anyone who has less posts than the mod can seriously go F themselves. That should never happen. Fall hasn't posted in 5 days and has more posts than those 3.

[Robbnva]

Tchill. Vork wasn’t in my list of low posters. Havo/flub/pm were. So you’re trying to compare an apple to an orange.

Vork actually did something scummy. That’s why I went after him. Flub didn’t do.... anything at all. I can’t scum read null

Town Tchill wouldn’t be this stupid.

[Robbnva]

So Tchill is scum.

[Robbnva]

ahh there it is.

Yes, there it is.

[Robbnva]

everyone ive seen play like flub has flips scum.

So then you must think pm is scum also? Havo too?

The three of them have been equally useless.

[Robbnva]

Because I can read him. And no there’s nothing specific I can point too to convince you he’s town. Just my experience from playing with him.

Sorry that isn’t good enough. You and be could be scum together

[Robbnva]

ahh there it is.

Yes, there it is.

Robb you’re 0 for 3 buddy.

That’s scum Robb.

Tchill could be scum. You can’t possibly know I’m wrong about Tchill unless you are scum. You have provided no game related reasons for town reading Tchill so strongly. The only thing game related is his question to pm which he could ask as either alignment.

You’ve done absolutely nothing to find scum.

Last You are also 0-3. You’ve basically road my coattails all game. You voted the same people as me. For some reason you got off the asukra wagon but you voted there.

I’ve been the only one to actually scum hunt all game.

It’s possible Lylo/Mylo. If you’re town, it’s Time to actually do something havo.

[Robbnva]

Makes sense for robb not to submit a kill since hes unanimously unreadable

I’m not unreadable. People have figured out the nuances between my scum and town games.

[Robbnva]

I’ve played with havo before. He’s a great liar. I could see him making up this MD claim.

Other people need to make him do something this game. I can’t be the only one who actually cares

[Robbnva]

Flubber needs to be made to do stuff also. Pm too.

Like idgas if I die and we lose but I’m not going to sit here and have people call me scum when I’m not and they’ve done jack shit all game

[Robbnva]

Havo I asked you a few questions in an attempt to get you to explain your play, why did you ignore them?

[Robbnva]

I”ve played with Rob and Tchill a fair amount, I feel i can read them okay after a day or two, but this being a small mini might present some challenges when it comes to that. I’m leaning slight town on both at the moment.

@havo - what caused your change from me/tchill null to town. What did you read in those two hours between posts to change your mind?

sorry, my bad it was the next day. but same question applies. what changed your mind on us?

vote PM mysterious

I can get onboard with this.

can you explain how pm went from null to lynch worthy? you make a later post having him in your lynch pool so i'd love to hear your thoughts about how you got there

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

this list just looks like a bunch of easy targets.

The last quote didn’t have a question but I can ask one now. Set aside your pr claim.

Why should people town read you? What have you done to help find scum? What value have you provided?

Sure I’m 0-2 but I at least had reasons for my pushes.

[Robbnva]

This’s is why I’m against mass claims. Havo is hiding behind a pr claim as his shield.

Remove that, how can anyone make a town case for him?

Meta is bullshit and I don’t accept that. What has havo done THIS game that makes him town?

[Robbnva]

What has Tchill?
Flub?
Pm?

Jesus Christ do we have a 4 man scum team?

[Robbnva]

I’ve already proven mass claim is pointless.

I don’t care if I get lynched but you’re missing the point if you are town.

You/skitter/havo all have PRs and one or two of you are lying.

How do you figure it out? Scum hunting.

PLEASE do some. Don’t get butt hurt that I’ve called you out for your shitty play

[Robbnva]

Like I’m sorry I come across angry all the time and I get mad at underperformers, I can’t help that.

How can anyone seriously scum read me? I’m so obviously town. Most people followed my lead. They ended up on mislynches unfortunately but look T everyone else’s reasons for being on the wagon. I had legit ones. Did they?

Let’s start analyzing please. I don’t want town to lose cause I’m an asshole.

[Robbnva]

First off, you have not proven that a mass claim is pointless. You have given a reason why you think mass claiming is pointless, but you didn't outright prove that a mass claim is pointless.

Really?

Tell me how mass claim solves who’s scum?

[Robbnva]

I’m Vt. Ok?

There. How do YOU decide who is scum now?

You can’t. See? Massclaim is pointless.

Jfc

[Robbnva]

Then stop being an asshole. That's all there is to it. Your stubborn attitude is why I am angry with you right now. If you can cooperate, then that would be most excellent. Once you cooperate with the Town, THEN we can do what you ask, and that is scum hunting.

I’ve never not cooperated though. The only thing i did was refuse to mass claim because there is no point to it.

Now all the claims are on the table and I’m just as confused as before.

[Robbnva]

Pm - Luca says he’s town but scum could be Luca/
Havo - visited the dead guy night one. Claims a no visit on a Vt. Not very impressive
Skitter - clears Luca and visits a dead guy.

MD could easily be scum role with 3 town moving roles

But MD could also be a town role given town/mafia roles.


How do I decided who’s telling the truth and who’s lying?

Mass claim was pointless

[Robbnva]

The fact you’ve now claimed VT means we now know at least 2 of the three PR claims are true and quite possibly all three are, because otherwise there would be a lack of Town power.

At this point I believe PM and Skitter’s claims. I’m less sure about Havo. Scum could well be in Flubs, Tchill and Robb, possibly Havo as well.

We knew that before I claimed. Literally nothing changed

[Robbnva]

Havo definitely looks like scum. He hasn’t really provided much explanation for his votes. He ignored questions asking him to explain some. He’s saying Tchill is 100% town but can’t explain why outside of “I can read him”

[Robbnva]

If skitter is town. Then you are town and pm is town.

That means havo is scum and Tchill is probably scum and if we have 3, then flubber would be the 3rd

[Robbnva]

Havo can’t explain why Tchill is town

Or why me going nowhere somehow makes me 80% scum

[Robbnva]

I personally think havo waited to out his 2nd result so he could pick a vt easier. Can’t fake claim MD and name somebody who actually did something.

[Robbnva]

Idk if it’s scummy. I used to play games where you weren't allowed to claim. Those were better. Town had to act like it and not use their role as a shield

[Robbnva]

Why would she probably be on pm?

[Robbnva]

What are they then?

Fuck if I know. I think I play the same. Even if I knew, nobody would believe me.

Some game recently somebody explained them. Maybe it was even this game. My brain is fried this last week.

[Robbnva]

Why would she probably be on pm?

It explains why vork wasnt hard townreading pm the next day

Oh yeah

[Robbnva]

luca has to be town due to his 180 on pm.

pm has to be town due to luca's 180 on pm.

skitter is probably town due to the concrete solid crumbs.

havo is prob town due to his crumb.

i wanted to see who'd jump on pm and call them scum for what i was saying. I very much believe pm has the ability to handle that vork situation that poorly as town.

im not sure if theres anything else for me to answer.

So you don’t have any real reasons to town read anyone?

The pm push was fake?

Nah that doesn’t make any sense.

[Robbnva]

How do you expect people to hop on shading a conftown when the site panders to town by your own admission holy shit

i wanted to see if anyone would.

if pm is gonna ignore how vork played on d2 then its possible another slip up occurs.

Havo did. He agreed with you and basically said today he doubts pm’s alignment yet he’s still a town read.

So you got what you supposedly wanted but still town read havo. Why?

[Robbnva]

I’m not saying PM is scum, but his play day 2 after sending the message makes no sense.

Of course he isn’t going to straight up call him scum but havo was on board with your push.

[Robbnva]

did havo say PM was scum for sure and push the hell out of pm?

Nobody was going to push pm today so that’s a dumb standard to have.

[Robbnva]

Town Tchill should be suspicious of havo for that post if his push on pm was a ploy to draw scum out but doesn’t.

The question is why?

[Robbnva]

no he wasnt. he didnt push pm.

nobody pushed pm. shit.

Because nobody is that stupid. The point he shifted his read should be telling yet you’re ignoring it.

Why?

[Robbnva]

Tchill/havo like I said

[Robbnva]

Havo has Tchill as 100% town for no reason.

Tchill has havo as town cause he crumbed a pr which makes no sense.

[Robbnva]

no he wasnt. he didnt push pm.

nobody pushed pm. shit.

Because nobody is that stupid. The point he shifted his read should be telling yet you’re ignoring it.

Why?