Mini Normal 2101 - Electronic Music Mafia [GAME OVER]

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VOTE: flubbernugget

What a name lol.

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Ah robbvna has found his tunnel.

Everyone come and play its safe to post now. "shut up and go vla" was funny but rude lol.

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VOTE: azuresky

I approve of this tunnel. Just messing with Robb a bit it's been a while since we played.

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Because that's not a good case.

"doesn't vote in first few posts. He has to be scum"

That's you turning nothing into something because you think you can read tonally.

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I'm talking about the havo push.

Robb I like your push.

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Azure can you please work on your temperament. Getting this angry comes off like you ARE scum. If you flip green without claiming that's extremely anti town. Telling scum to decimate town is.... Anti town.

You get so ugly so fast. I'd try to change that. Just looks bad overall and there's nothing good that can come from it.

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Luca and Robb can be annoying when they're pushing you.

Throwing a tantrum never looks good and is ALMOST.... Never justified.

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Nomnomnom is scum. That weak push on havo and now it looks like they're trying to get ahead of this lynch and say "I told you so" when azure flips green.

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VOTE: nomnomnom

Azure's rage reads as real. I can see town not claiming they're out of spite.

That's not exactly defending Robb. They're totally OK with the azure lynch. Nom is totally OK with the azure lynch. There's more intent to show that Nom thinks azure is town instead of stopping the azure lynch.

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Lying isn’t good either. If you somehow flip town, please going forward don’t lie. Don’t falsely accuse people of stuff also cause that’s basically lying also.

Cause az isn’t flipping green imo.

I understand this but, I don't get "extremely experienced" vibes from azure. Azure also loses their mind at the flip of a switch ei h the rage. Probably not healthy for town, probably should be lynched d1... I think I'm onto something with nomnomnom though.

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This is a great pocket opportunity if azure stays in the game.

If azure is lynched and flips green nomnom looks better.

Nomnom is scum taking advantage of the situation.

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Well I would have voted azure. I hate d1s.

Azure is not save able after Robb AND Luca lock in lol. Unless of course absolutely nobody agrees with the 2. Those 2 won't change their mind...

But you're clearly trying to take advantage of the situation and of Azure's flip.

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Look at nomnomnoms last paragraph lol.

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I'm not frustrated or Irratated btw.

I'm just eyerolling at the fact im getting deathtunneled and venge-voted by Robb and Luca, respectively.

If you honestly believe the wagon on me is town-driven, then even if I am a PR, you dont deserve the claim.

"I'm not frustrated"
"you don't deserve the claim"

Like please stop. You have 2 ppl here tunneling you and you're gonna punish the rest of town because you're... Annoyed. Very stupid.

Eh, azure might be scum after all if they refuse to claim this much.

I feel good about one scum in azure/nomnomnom.

I just feel like it's nomnomnom.

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Ooh that didn't take long to get away from the azure action.

I'd like to actually lynch scum if I think ik who scum is d1.

Usually I don't ever have an idea of who scum is. You look like scum nomnomnom.

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I can't remember anything about fallsoul.

That's new though. I'll try "I'm too good for you to catch me as scum" next time someone pushes me.

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I skimmed the game and I liked robbs push. Mainly because I didn't see anything that looked town from you azure.

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Hey everybody let's just wave the ego around because w all think we're strong scum players lol.

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Good lord I might vote azure just to not have her around anymore lol. God scum that refuses to claim as town on D1 because they think everyone is stupid.

I pitied you because I thought you had anger issues. You just think you're better than most ppl here and throw tantrums because of it. Go figure.

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I skimmed the game and I liked robbs push. Mainly because I didn't see anything that looked town from you azure.

So in that case, what are the odds Nom is my buddy?

You realize I'm pushing nom on the premise that you're town correct?

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I skimmed the game and I liked robbs push. Mainly because I didn't see anything that looked town from you azure.

So you're just going to ignore my request? lol

I'll get to it eventually... Maybe... Yeah eventually.

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You're an Alt and you, still "act" like this after experience lol... Wagons doesn't haaaaave to be scum driven. I've seen all town d1 wagons before.

If you want to attack me for pushing nom go right ahead.

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VOTE: azuresky

I thought they were a newb which is part of the reason I town read them.

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Again, I would like to underline the fact that he does not follow the game correctly and therefore makes weird comments, rather than following the group.

Do you honestly think scum would do that? Scum need to make sure they are paying attention imo. You’d have to think he’s pretending and idk how you prove that.

Rob is town. This lines up with what I was thinking

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Nomnom is yet to make a good point this game imo.

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VOTE: Azuresky

You got me. I cant believe it.

My scumgame is figured out. Unreal.

Seofvotes and says I'll be rooting for scum. If you are town here you can black list me.

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Haha

So hateful.

Please, go hug your parents.

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Ah. You love it when a movie has a good ending.

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Vorkuta PM and Nom are probably town.

Soul, Robb, TChill, Luca need rope

Skitter, havo and Nugget.

1 scum in there maybe, probably not.

Soul is lolscum.

Balatant sheeping. Good vig/cop bait.

Soul/skitter the other scum.

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@scum

Please leave me in the game for the wifom.

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As toxic as azure was I bring her to lylo. No way I let her get lynched d1 if I'm scum. She'd help scum out too much if she was in the whole game.

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VC 1.02

Azuresky (6): Robbnva, Luca Blight, Fallsoul, Tchill13, Azuresky, Vorkuta
nomnomnom (1): skitter30
Fallsoul (1): nomnomnom
PMysterious (1): Flubbernugget

Not Voting (2): Havo, PMysterious

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-30 00:30:00).

Fun fact - The electronica album I've been working on is basically done! It's coming out in December.

doubt the d1 wagon was all town.

VOTE: Luca

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luca, absolutely nothing personal, but you really have no idea what scum me does in any given situation. So if you'd like to push me make a general case.

Not one based on me and my tendencies specifically.

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Ayt did we get all the personal garbage out of our systems? Great.
First order of business IMHO: is this post death spewing accurate or personally motivated?

Vorkuta PM and Nom are probably town.

Soul, Robb, TChill, Luca need rope

Skitter, havo and Nugget.

1 scum in there maybe, probably not.

If you believe Robb to be town, then Chill/Luca should die immediately. Look at how they pushed on me sheeping Robb’s deathtunnel.

Again Chill went all high and mighty saying “oh you shouldnt get so frustrated blah blah blah” for townpoints.

Soul is lolscum.

Balatant sheeping. Good vig/cop bait.

there is no reason to give azure's play or reads any weight. She was egotistical, blatantly wanted town to lose and she didnt seem too good at the game in general. I would ignore all her play completely.

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I think Luca, Flub and Pmysterious need rope.

"but why tchill, explain yourself"

I dont like overly explaining this early. Those are the ones i think should be pushed.

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great invest or vig. Cant make it to lylo unless cleared through Night actions. Not my top priority.

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how interesting. maybe im rubbing off on you lol.

I can't say i disagree.

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If I were scum I'd lynch toxicity for the sake of not draining myself just to win a game

youre doing it wrong.

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alright lets get this party started.

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VC 1.02

Azuresky (6): Robbnva, Luca Blight, Fallsoul, Tchill13, Azuresky, Vorkuta
nomnomnom (1): skitter30
Fallsoul (1): nomnomnom
PMysterious (1): Flubbernugget

Not Voting (2): Havo, PMysterious

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-30 00:30:00).

Fun fact - The electronica album I've been working on is basically done! It's coming out in December.

flub needs to be invest or vigged.

luca or Vork is my best bet at scum on the d1 wagon.

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My biggest fear is being wrong, and I don't want to be the ringleader (or be any part) of a bad lynch because of uncertainty.

well... pmysterious is prob scum.

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I do agree that the Vort hammer felt kind of townie - after the self-vote I just assumed Azure was scum already, so I can understand quick-hammering there. Scum obviously would know she was flipping green and might have hesitated.

scum most likely hammer, chalk the wagon up to a stupid self voter and move along...

Scum want a flip to be green lol. Why would that cause hesitation????

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Given that you think there is scum on the Azure wagon, which is what your vote on me is based on, he really ought to be a higher priority for you.

And could you not say the same about someone like Flubs?

These are the slots that needing sorting now, especially when we can't tell for sure when LYLO will be this game.

not a fan of luca pandering to my play specifically due to my meta.

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It would be wiser to look at Nom’s opinions, given scum wanted her out of the game above anyone else.

I just checked her ISO, and from what I gathered, Nom had thoughts on Fallsoul and Havo. Fallsoul also happened to be on the wagon for Azure, so there's some connection there as well. Easy lynch Day 1, follow it up with eliminating someone who was onto you.

It can't be this easy

. There's no way that two coincidences happen back to back like that without some sort of caveat (for example, an easy false accusation onto someone else).

it can be that easy. Of the 2 i'd push Fallsoul then havo.

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Is there a universe in which this shitfest subsides anytime soon and we can all get along better?
Because I can't read anyone right now, and I don't want to dig deeper in these interactions

VOTE: azuresky

Not gonna lie- the self vote partially did it for me. 50% knee-jerk

AtE

then feels the need to explain the vote. Not a fan.

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I hate their music: Luca, Vork

I've never heard of them: Pmysterious, flubb, fallsoul

I'd go to a concert for free: skitter, Robb, Havo

I bought front row tickets: (still saving my money)

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I just dont subscribe to the "generally town/scum do" thought process.

I disregard it almost completely. I think Scum sees a free lynch regardless of position on the Azure wagon. d1 was a shit show.

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Given that you think there is scum on the Azure wagon, which is what your vote on me is based on, he really ought to be a higher priority for you.

And could you not say the same about someone like Flubs?

These are the slots that needing sorting now, especially when we can't tell for sure when LYLO will be this game.

you're pushing to to push 2 inactives.

you're putting me in a position where im either forced to work with you or you'll SR me.

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hell yeah. fireworks will be going off soon one reason or another.

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you either get a hyper active game or a dead one. never in between.

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I don’t get the lack of interest in a PM lynch. His recent post was ok but overall then isn’t much that makes me feel like he is Town.

I would be willing to compromise on lynching any of the following: Slitter, Tchill, Flavor.

Vorkuta is probably Town due to the lack of action in the game while he’s been main wagon.

im def not interested in a pm lynch.

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Ugh, I haven’t read completely, and the slowdown of the site messed with me.

I’m VT. I think I’m L-2, right?

Pushing me as “needs to get in here” is a bad reason because I’m an incredibly active scum player, and Havo has seen me as scum.

self meta is BS. anyone can try something new.

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VOTE: tchill- reread his ISO, disagree with his D1 play, don't like his D2 pushes

whats wrong with my d1 play and what dont you like about my d2 pushes?

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Skitter,

If vork as scum can have issues with waning activity, why would they be playing into robb's tunnel so hard while the vork wagon dies down? Seems like a perfect opportunity to lay low

youre over thinking.

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Oh boy

Oh boy

I was actually going to come in defending this slot a little, but I think this is scum indicative.

this is a stupid interaction. Why is that scummy? Gut? Tone?

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VOTE: flavor

little to no work from him. half baked pushes and statements. Claims VT because theres enough players who have experience in here with him to benefit from not claiming a PR.

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Given that we have a slight extension on the deadline, I’m gonna unvote and allow Flavor to catch-up properly.

UNVOTE:

I still find the Flavor slot dubious, but the wagon doesn’t feel brilliant to be honest.

PM is still probably my favoured Lynch overall but no-one else seems to want it. I don’t like how he pops in with a post and then disappears for a couple of days. He is deliberately doing the bare minimum to get by.

why the unvote? why dont you feel brilliant about the flavor lynch? Youre not too fired up about anyone else. Looks like you unvoted just to unvote.

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vork doesnt seem to be able to type out a complex thought.

Flubb is making very obvious statements.

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Who’s the scumz?

can they please form a neat and orderly line

you seem to like have ~real thoughts~ when you're town
when you're scum you make shitty pushes (ahem on the slot that claimed miller in cats)
and seem to lose motivation to post sometimes (although tbf you were apparently vla, but i didn't know that like before this post)
i think your push on azure yesterday was god awful
if you're town how am i looking at this wrongly?

I disagree as I am horrible at having any "good" (correct and relevant- not just crowdpleasing) thoughts as town and my only contribution is to sheep someone I hope is town (unless I have a PR).
Shitty pushes as scum was just a trick or two trying to invoke "too audacious to actually be scum". I wasn't quite satisfied with the results so yeah.
As for the azure "push", it was honestly genuine questioning and poking around until the self-vote. I have a history of distrusting any and all scum-claims/self-votes.
If Azure would've kept a clear head, I'd've probably moved on.
Motivation comes and goes tbh. You can imagine how motivated I am/was to poke around in the middle of personal drama, and deal with the inevitable fallout (I still think robb should be policy'd for his D1 play)

um since when is this a thing?

since all my town games?
As scum, I just have to pull stuff out of my backside and appease the crowd.
As town, my reads actually have to be.... you know... "correct" as pretending to do shit doesn't get me closer to my wincon

I hate post where ppl apologize for how terrible they are as town.

immediately feels like an excuse for poor scum play to me.

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as of right now vork is more dead weight than any player in this game who's inactive because he keeps talking about how bad he is as town and he even mentioned skitter/leaf being "Gods" of some sort. talked as if he couldnt even touch them.

not happy with vork or flavor at all.

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Tchill’s play has been very disappointing during this day phase. He’s complained about lack of game activity without doing anything to promote it himself. He’s refused to explain the few reads he’s given. He’s ignored questions that have been put to him. He’s voting me without any push to actually get me lynched. He’s coasting, along with a number of others, but I had expected more from him.

yeah its fun constantly distancing myself from the self bias i have with certain players this game. Goes for several ppl here.

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i dont care to answer lucas questions atm.

Fall soul slot needs a PR action regardless of who replaces into it.

Robb has not done anything AI.

Vork and flavor need rope.

PM is probably town. I like skitter for town too.

Skitter has said stuff I agree with on a reread.

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I hate their music: Luca, Vork

I've never heard of them: Pmysterious, flubb, fallsoul

I'd go to a concert for free: skitter, Robb, Havo

I bought front row tickets: (still saving my money)

You wouldn't buy front row for mine?

Spoiler:

Spoiler:

lol Robb.

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I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

please give me updates on on:

skitter
Vork
Flavor

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VOTE: vorkuta

Flavor needs to pick it up but vork is scum.

in my 1st wall i pushed him hard for reasons you can go back and see.

apologises for his poor town play.

pushes an inactive (me) that seems like they wont come back right before deadline.

tries to pocket skitter and flavor by stroking their ego.

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as of right now vork is more dead weight than any player in this game who's inactive because he keeps talking about how bad he is as town and he even mentioned skitter/leaf being "Gods" of some sort. talked as if he couldnt even touch them.

not happy with vork or flavor at all.

tbf i actually get that a lot
as does fl i'm p sure

same. its an issue. This one guy named tchill13 keeps calling me a mafiascum god. pretty annoying.

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i don't even think i've seen you do this as replacing in either, as either alignment

i'm still happy with my vork vote, i think

fl is a great invest target imo

fl is like 3rd or 4th on invest target viability atm.

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I hate post where ppl apologize for how terrible they are as town.

Hey tchill- remember the last time town!me thought I had a really solid case against you?
I even backed it up with amazing evidence and direct quotes.
Remind me again, how did that go, and how many people did you end up blacklisting as a result? (hint- NC's mini 2070)

pushes an inactive (me) that seems like they wont come back right before deadline.

tries to pocket skitter and flavor by stroking their ego.

as is tradition in every game

Also starting your wall with voting papa leaf and then pivoting onto me mid-wall is also not suspicious at all

I do this crazy thing where i start a thought process and if it looks like it maybe wrong or theres a better one out there i A-D-A-P-T

very rare.

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oh FL is fallsoul cool.

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pm is coming off as newb town to me. thats why i changed my mind. Dont see a lot of scum motivation in what they're doing.

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Given that we have a slight extension on the deadline, I’m gonna unvote and allow Flavor to catch-up properly.

UNVOTE:

I still find the Flavor slot dubious, but the wagon doesn’t feel brilliant to be honest.

PM is still probably my favoured Lynch overall but no-one else seems to want it. I don’t like how he pops in with a post and then disappears for a couple of days. He is deliberately doing the bare minimum to get by.

why the unvote? why dont you feel brilliant about the flavor lynch? Youre not too fired up about anyone else. Looks like you unvoted just to unvote.

I literally explained all this in the very post you quoted, through I don’t know why I’m even bothering replying to you when you’ve ignored every question I’ve put to you.

I was hoping you could go more in depth.

"wagon doesnt feel brilliant" is what i was asking to be explained.

its hard for me to want to interact with you when i ask for explanation, You say you already explained but your explanation is "wagon doesnt feel brilliant" which is very shallow in terms of thought. Then you act like im the problem. idc. It just gets old.

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All right guys and gals. Having surgery in the morning. Won’t be active much tomorrow.

GL.

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I hate post where ppl apologize for how terrible they are as town.

Hey tchill- remember the last time town!me thought I had a really solid case against you?
I even backed it up with amazing evidence and direct quotes.
Remind me again, how did that go, and how many people did you end up blacklisting as a result? (hint- NC's mini 2070)

pushes an inactive (me) that seems like they wont come back right before deadline.

tries to pocket skitter and flavor by stroking their ego.

as is tradition in every game

Also starting your wall with voting papa leaf and then pivoting onto me mid-wall is also not suspicious at all

you just follow skitter and FL around and praise them? thats weird.

I like FL, im sure its widely known, but i dont immediately assume i cant play near as good as the guy.

I like skitter too. She seems like a good player.. Once again i dont praise her as part of my meta.

excuses and apologies for play b4 hand only mean you're scum or you're town that doesn't believe in their own ability and both groups are very detrimental to my goal of lynching scum.

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i dont care to answer lucas questions atm.

Fall soul slot needs a PR action regardless of who replaces into it.

Robb has not done anything AI.

Vork and flavor need rope.

PM is probably town. I like skitter for town too.

Skitter has said stuff I agree with on a reread.

What the hell, you put Flavor at l-1 without even realizing he had replaced into Fallsoul’s slot?

kinda crazy that im judging FL on... FL's play in this game. mind blowing method ik.

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@Vork pretty sure mini 2070 is top 3 most angry moments ive ever had. regardless of your push on me i was town so you read me wrong. not sure what point youre trying to make.

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why are you obsessed with a game ive completely forgotten about? save that pissing contest for post game. sheesh.

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so how does town go about adapting and changing their mind in a way thats ok to you vork?

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ninja'd so fucking hard wow

@Vork pretty sure mini 2070 is top 3 most angry moments ive ever had. regardless of your push on me i was town so you read me wrong. not sure what point youre trying to make.

The point I'm making is
-You've seen what happens when town!me is """"confident""" in their reads
-You've seen my amazingly accurate read percentage (if you followed along that game after D1, I missed all my shit)

While I've improved (ever-so-slightly) since then, I'm now much more cautions when pushing people and whatnot so you SHOULD understand my behavior this game instead of outright dismissing it as "teh scumz".
Especially considering I already hammered azure

The fact that you aren't shows narrow-mindedness and agenda-driven pushing (come up with a target first, justify it later), or is just scummy

both are detrimental to my goal of lynching scum

i had to reread post game on that.

RC solo gambitted and tunneled me. I called him town the whole time. read him right. Read chennisden correct as scum. and you were on my ML. Lines up with you just blindly following the "better" or "famous" players in a game. game also contained scum that replaced out, then replaced back in after the heat died down (what a joke).

Are you trying to make me lose respect for you? lol. thats the worst play style ive ever seen. Ppl just blame their play on how bad they are or sheeping others. Its a strat that can be used by scum or by town that either: sheeps scum/ sheeps wrong town/ sheeps correct town.

but in no way will they ever push an original thought too hard (due to hesitancy) or play in a way that I can make a read based on THEIR specific play.

its terrible. I'd advise you to make mistakes confidently and learn rather than be content to play like that any more.

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this dude is telling me to use his meta lol. heaven forbid i judge someone on their play alone in one game.

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scum is not gonna loudly tunnel a different person every day phase that is a horrible strategy.

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so basically if you explain yourself your town. FL and Skitter get to be town just because.

well i guess its a good thing you reminded me of yourself vork. now ik a "bad town" read could be in play for you.

Either way, Vork/FL dont need to be in lylo at this rate. Not sure if I can see a lot of town motivation in what vork has done anyway.

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A. So i was lynched for an honest mistake in getting miller/ascetic confused. Sounds about right.

B. Why even sign up if you're gonna ride coattails. It's completely plausible for town to lose b4 the game even begins if FL roles scum and theres enough players like you in the same game. Which is SUPER fun for townies that actually are confident in their ability but aren't on your fame list.

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scum is not gonna loudly tunnel a different person every day phase that is a horrible strategy.

You say "horrible", some people see "100% viable and optimal"

so basically if you explain yourself your town. FL and Skitter get to be town just because.

no.....?
are you putting words in my mouth, or is there a misunderstanding?

I'm not going to be able to read them on this day phase and that's it. Nothing more, nothing less.

ok dont say "some"

YOU tell me the pros/cons of tunneling a seperate towny as scum every day phase. Tell me why some may view that as the way to play scum.

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i mean why would claiming miller then claiming ascetic be a viable scum strat? its gonna cause attention.

THINK of the indirect consequences

of an action before you label it town or scum.

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so youre telling me in lylo that slot thats been tunneling will probably survive said lylo?

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and idc what you do as long as you do it confidently. You're in the middle of a mistake rn. Mistakes are good. Learn from it post game.

why am i scum exactly Vork?

townie noises? how is tunneling townie?

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can anyone pushing robb determine what his scum tunneling looks like opposed to his town tunneling? because if you cant. his tunneling is NAI.

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explain your read on me if you want me to debate it. im giving up on your tunnel thing.

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B. Why even sign up if you're gonna ride coattails

You uhh... realize that you've inspired me to become more confident/independent and now I'm pushing you right?
Also depends on the game- with some games or players I feel like I can accomplish things.

YOU tell me the pros/cons of tunneling a seperate towny as scum every day phase. Tell me why some may view that as the way to play scum.

Isn't this..... like.... self-evident....?
This is quite a small game (8:3 I'm guessing? => D1: mislynch, N1: NK, D2: mislynch: N2: NK, D3: 4:3 LyLo) so it only has to be done twice.
You get absolved of all your responsibility, don't have to waste energy/braincells to come up with reads for other players as they're outside your tunnel, and have more bases covered. It's more optimal than the traditional "pretend to scumhunt, but not too badly" approach of blending in with town. And at the end of the day, you get your mislynch.


pedit
you tell em flubber

is it standard that 11p games have 3 scum? or are you just assuming scum have more than 2 ppl when its still a possibility.

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i mean thats another day phase of tunneling to incriminate robb . which makes them look worse in lylo.

which means they probably dont survive lylo. Of course i didnt know ppl just threw out TR's to tunnelers.

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how should i defend robb here if im town and i think hes town?

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"holier than though" i TR'd azure obv and was getting mad she was punishing other townies out of pure ego and rage.

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Ooh that didn't take long to get away from the azure action.

I'd like to actually lynch scum if I think ik who scum is d1.

Usually I don't ever have an idea of who scum is. You look like scum nomnomnom.

That's probably a bad sign considering I have a tendency of deepwolfing the good majority of my scum games

I'd like to ask you what you think of Fallsoul, since I already know what you think of Havo.

I can't remember anything about fallsoul.

That's new though. I'll try "I'm too good for you to catch me as scum" next time someone pushes me.

this is a reasonable response. dude pretty much said he's too good to be caught as scum. "deepwolfing"

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i see a large majority of me being scum is due to my interactions with nom and azure.

you realize that nk incriminates me specifically right?

now explain "nuance". You said i lacked it.

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in terms of meta manipulation: "why fix what isnt broken"... SMH. you just admitted you assumed a 3p scum team because it benefits your robb push. You're also assuming he plays into his meta because it benefits your argument.

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any point i make about how obvious something should or shouldnt be to defend my play will in turn be met with it being called self meta.

it should just be obvious someone isnt gonna defend their scum buddy in the way im defending robb. ive got experience with the guy. i think hes town.

now vork needs to tell me the difference between robbs town and scum tunneling if he thinks im scum with robb.

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ok.

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i cant antagonize nomnomnom because hes already made your fame list i see. lol. Pointless. I have just wasted my time.

i was saying had I been a part of the scum team we'd be worried about NK'ing one of the 2 i said scum were for sure in.

not that scum are specifically out to get me.

you assume 3 or 2 days of tunneling gets no attention in lylo.

im just glad your making you own plays. no need for more discussion. You've made up your mind.

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I still feel good about a FL/vork

Im not even sure i TR Robb. I was just pointing out the hypocrisy in using only his tunneling to SR him. Robb is null for me.

I guess skitter and PM are my stronger TR's.

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The majority of rob's play D1 was an azure tunnel which deff doesn't ring town. Town does tunnel too so it's not lockscum but I wouldn't have much concern if a wagon sprung up here.

That being said their D2 play looks a little better

I thought tunneling was townie?

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dont see much solving from flub.

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I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

this is a good list given what happened d1 and the low content we have atm.

havo town.

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I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

i wanna add vork to this
not sure if flub should be in this
prob not pm either tbh

Well I wouldn’t argue with adding Vork, but a lynch pool of just Vork and Fall seems a bit weak to me.
I haven’t seen enough out of PM or or flub to feel they are town.

IF vork is scum havo could very well be the partner. have mixed feelings on vrok scum atm.

UNVOTE:

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i was saying one of fl/vork being scum not that youre scum together.

i just need to be more clear.

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vork im done with the exchange.

your Scum experience "lets just kill player x and explain it later" is bad justification for a scum team im involved with doing that.

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The majority of rob's play D1 was an azure tunnel which deff doesn't ring town. Town does tunnel too so it's not lockscum but I wouldn't have much concern if a wagon sprung up here.

That being said their D2 play looks a little better

I thought tunneling was townie?

It's a cheap way to try to look town

ok. so ppl will keep an eye out for it. so its prob a bad strat as scum.

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It would be nice if Vork would come post and give his thoughts.

Right now I don’t really feel any different, other than taking PM out of my lynch pool.

Vork, Fall and Flub.

I’d like to hear more from Tchill

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

please give me updates on on:

skitter
Vork
Flavor

Skitter is town
Vork is probably scum
Flavor is being contrary.

havo is town for me today. worried he might be pocketing me but im not SR'ing him because he agrees with me that PM is town and Vork is scummy.

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looks like fallsoul only interacted with nom and azure.

then the way FL placed in... def my top guess for scum.

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A lot of posts Tchill, but there's one major issue.

You did not answer my question. Dodging the question does not give me any reason to trust you. If you get the time, look through my ISO, find my question, and answer it. If not, then why should I trust you to be Town?

I said youre beginning to come off as new town which changes my read of you.

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newb town... i tried to be nicer but idk how to word it. i mean no disrespect either. i cant say new town your start date is 2012 lol. "surface lvl town" maybe. idk. It all sounds negative. Sorry.

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there's no way that was an all-town wagon

i dont' like any of: vork, fallsoul, tchill

robb was being awful but in a way that i think is nai for him
i think tchill can prob read him better than i can but i'm not townreading tchill rn so i'm wary of trusting him

luca i actually kinda think is townie

i don' really have reads on the other people

this is one of the games where i have too many scumreads and don't have nearly enough townreads

i dislike both of them

Is there more than one post that pings you?

fallsoul's entire iso is awful
i don't like vork's intent yesterday
i don't actually inherently have a problem with the vote, i dislike the posturing that happened well before that

UNVOTE:
voteparking on someone who siteflaked probably isn't that helpful

i can vote vork i can think

i'm not really feeling the pm wagon rn
i kinda hate the way he's playing but i'm not sure it's actually scummy

I definitely think the lynch pool today is

PM
Flub
Fallsoul

i wanna add vork to this
not sure if flub should be in this
prob not pm either tbh

I haven't played much in the past 2 years. I'm just now getting back into Mafia again. So, my playstyle may be a little different from before. It's been 7 years since then after all.

Outside of that, I can't really add a lot at the moment.

I'm not sure pm is scummy really ^

since all my town games?
As scum, I just have to pull stuff out of my backside and appease the crowd.
As town, my reads actually have to be.... you know... "correct" as pretending to do shit doesn't get me closer to my wincon

VOTE: tchill- reread his ISO, disagree with his D1 play, don't like his D2 pushes

i mean, am i supposed to read this as you trying to be 'correct' and not just you 'pulling stuff out of your backside'?

skitter looks great here too.

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skitter/havo/tchill are all down for FL and/or vork being scum.

seems like we all TR PM also.

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I don’t get the lack of interest in a PM lynch. His recent post was ok but overall then isn’t much that makes me feel like he is Town.

I would be willing to compromise on lynching any of the following: Slitter, Tchill, Flavor.

Vorkuta is probably Town due to the lack of action in the game while he’s been main wagon.

im def not interested in a pm lynch.

You said he needed rope earlier in the day. What’s changed?

This is a good question. What did change? It's not normal for someone to perform a complete 180 like that, let alone without any reason or rhyme. Again, like Flavor, Tchill never answered the question I had for him, which is a problem for me. A big problem.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Tchill

Again, why did you say several players needed rope without explaining it right then and there, and what is that explanation? I want to give you the benefit of a doubt, but I can't if you dodge the question.

ohhh. I dont feel the needd to explain everything. Occasionally reads. They usually just get attacked and the loudest voice wins. Didnt want to deal with luca questioning me either.

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hell robb did us a favor in tunneling azure. He might should just get a pass this day phase lmao.

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yes, Fall looks to not have logged on since the 21st. I am sitting back because I feel like everyone heard from me enough and I like where my vote is at for now. That bs shading vork did just annoyed me and I don't see why town would do that. Plus he isn't providing any content which makes his post hilarious. How can he be waiting for others when he isn't doing anything himself.

PM/Flubber/Havo were low posters day 1 and remain that way today. Anyone who has less posts than the mod can seriously go F themselves. That should never happen. Fall hasn't posted in 5 days and has more posts than those 3.

{}
{Luca}
{skitter, HAvo, Tchill}
{Jigglypuff, soul, Flubber}
{Robb}

Some of these are "policy" reads but I hope that will change as the day goes along and they contribute something AI.

any chance you are going to explain any of these reads or actively do anything to pursue/sort them or are you just going to sit there doing nothing?

I think I just get so annoyed with you that I either try to get you lynched or just give up. When we’re on opposite pushes it’s exhausting lol.

So have you read yet? Have any reads?

I’ve done more than half the player list including you so da fuck you talkin bout Willis?

Robb has one trick in his book and every other posts comes from his "lets hypertunnel" agenda. I don't know if this lack of nuance is his town play, but I can see it go both ways.

I'm your top scum read and this is why?

I don’t get the lack of interest in a PM lynch. His recent post was ok but overall then isn’t much that makes me feel like he is Town.

I would be willing to compromise on lynching any of the following: Slitter, Tchill, Flavor.

Vorkuta is probably Town due to the lack of action in the game while he’s been main wagon.

I can get behind a pm lynch also but vork just said he has an unexpected v/la so you can't really give him town points for being inactive, assuming he is telling the truth.

This part about PM

"His recent post was ok but overall then isn’t much that makes me feel like he is Town"

could easily be applied to vork, minus the "his recent post was ok" part.

i've been keeping the pressure on you so you can contribute something of value, so what you call a one trick pony, I call pressuring a lurker who had a scummy play day one, scummy vote day 1, and isn't doing anything to produce game content to analyze.

the only reason i chose you over the others is you tried to shade me for stating the obvious. Something that i don't think I have seen anyone disagree with. I don't see town motivation for that.

You are most likely scum imo, worse case I am wrong and you are just a useless turd who doesn't care about finding scum. Who doesn't care about playing to their win condition. Either way I don't give a shit anymore.

At least 5 people who haven't contributed anything useful. We have 2/3 scum so that means there are townies out there who are in my opinion, playing against their win condition.

robb is town and hasnt tunneled anyone d2. plenty of d2 content and hunting here thats not tunneling to digest. His main push d2 has been vork though.

which makes me feel like vork scum is a good possibility again.

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so 4 of us have been weary of vork scum the majority of d2.

flub has done little to nothing. FL replaced into a suspicious slot in a lifeless manner.

prob 2 scum in Vork/FL/Flubb

if 3 scum probably one in havo/skitter/Robbvna (cus im not perfect)

both lists are in order of suspicion.

Vork def needs to be the lynch this day phase given 4 ppl have fos'd him pretty consistently. He flips scum im looking at Havo/flubb.

Vork flips town im looking at FL/Flubb/(if a 3rd) Skitter

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my read of you is independent of vork. Youre scum because you havent made an effort to solve hardly at all. most youve done is take vorks side in robb! scum.

scum ML me. Scum ML robb next day phase.

Pretty sure thats whats going on here. Especially since Vork made the comment that Robb is mislynch bait and wont be NK'd by scum.

regardless of my feelings towards vork 3 others believe hes scum also.

Flub youre just scum based on your play. Regardless of vorks alignment.

just like vork is scum based on vorks play. regardless of vorks alignment.

only association ive ssen so far is maybe havo/vork and that i dont believe FL is scum with Vork but thats much weaker than the havo/vork connection.

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vork/FL/Flub scum team could make sense given that havo/skitter/robb/tchill seem to be on similar pages.

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skitter is fence sitting cool.

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VOTE: vork

i didnt realize FL replaced into fallsoul.

FL is prob the best or next target besides Flubb.

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ehhhhh actually i'm not such a fan of these

whats your issue?

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scum is not gonna loudly tunnel a different person every day phase that is a horrible strategy.

eh i'm p sure it's just robb's playstyle, and that he does just that as both alignments. i'm not sure he actually has a strategy when he does it

ok. someone who isnt imprisoned by their meta isnt gonna tunnel as scum every day phase.

I'll die on that hill. loudly tunneling every day phase isnt a good strat. thats in a scenarion that presumes town doesnt have their head in their ass. not sure why I'd ever assume that here.

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VOTE: vork

i didnt realize FL replaced into fallsoul.

FL is prob the best or next target besides Flubb.

He then puts another slot to L-1 without announcing it, soon after the VC meaning there is no excuse. This feels like a pretty scummy thing to do.

how many games are we gonna have to play where you realize i dont play scum in an obv scum manner?

youll just reply with "meta manipulation". it never ends.

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Again, like Flavor, Tchill never answered the question I had for him, which is a problem for me. A big problem.

why is this such a problem for you?
or, asked differently, why do you view this as a scummy act

Dodging the question feels like they have something to hide. That is why it is a problem when they don't answer. As long as it doesn't retain to your role, then there's nothing to hide. I don't want to know the exact roles of players, all I want is to believe that the players are Town. By not answering the questions I have, I start to lose faith in any potential Town reads.

I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION.

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i dont care to answer lucas questions atm.

Fall soul slot needs a PR action regardless of who replaces into it.

Robb has not done anything AI.

Vork and flavor need rope.

PM is probably town. I like skitter for town too.

Skitter has said stuff I agree with on a reread.

What the hell, you put Flavor at l-1 without even realizing he had replaced into Fallsoul’s slot?

kinda crazy that im judging FL on... FL's play in this game. mind blowing method ik.

You put Flavor to L-1 without even knowing he was in the same slot as FallSoul, which gives me the feeling your ‘scumhunting’ isn’t genuine. You’ve just gone for the easiest option out there without even considering the total value of the slot. It’s either terrible Town play or lazy scum play.

call me terrible town idc.

FL and Vork are the scummies slots in the game and ive already shown theyre both probably scum independently.

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i dont care to answer lucas questions atm.

Fall soul slot needs a PR action regardless of who replaces into it.

Robb has not done anything AI.

Vork and flavor need rope.

PM is probably town. I like skitter for town too.

Skitter has said stuff I agree with on a reread.

What the hell, you put Flavor at l-1 without even realizing he had replaced into Fallsoul’s slot?

kinda crazy that im judging FL on... FL's play in this game. mind blowing method ik.

You put Flavor to L-1 without even knowing he was in the same slot as FallSoul, which gives me the feeling your ‘scumhunting’ isn’t genuine. You’ve just gone for the easiest option out there without even considering the total value of the slot. It’s either terrible Town play or lazy scum play.

Looking at this myself, and now I am confused myself. How does someone NOT know who replaces a certain slot? The fact this issue came up is concerning, and I'm the guy that started the Flavor wagon. In fact, you were also on the Azure wagon, and when you voted, you said the following.

VOTE: azuresky

I approve of this tunnel. Just messing with Robb a bit it's been a while since we played.

This goes to Luca's point that I put at the top. It seemed like you were taking the easy way out there too. Considering that Day 1 was a rather short day in terms to actual length (not by number of posts), I'd say that it worked out.

Dodging my question, despite being more active than Flavor, dodging other people's questions, and even being on two wagons, one of which you didn't even know the actual reason the wagon was being pushed.

They might not mean much individually, but in this case, they add up to see a scummy player. Is there any reason why we should not lynch Tchill?

because someone isnt scum just because theyre scummy.

in fact, SCUM's priority is being towny. TOWN's priority is LYNCHING scum. Scummy doesnt equal scum. towny doesnt equal town.

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this is my issue with being ok with "surace lvl" play. I dont claim to be better than the next guy. I will say sometimes "surface lvl" just isnt enough.

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We have ten hours left and I’m soon to be V/LA. I think I’m sticking with my Tchill vote at this stage but hopefully we can reach a Lynch one way or another before deadline. My reads are currently as follows:

I TR Robb, because if I can’t Tr the only other player who’s been on a similar wavelength to me this game and tried to make stuff happen then I might as well throw in the towel.

PM’s recent suspicion of Tchill makes me feel a bit better about him, but still far from convinced.

The Flavor slot has been terrible generally this game and deserves to be lynched, but in a way it feels ‘too easy’ to be scum. Maybe worth looking into again on D3.

Flubbernugget is a null read and will probably remain that way. Just not enough content to get a clear read on him, but I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Havo has been rubbing me up the wrong way a bit. Probably because I disagree with a lot of what he says. I don’t likes his opinions on Skitter or Tchill, and his popping in and out feels like scum doing just enough to look busy.

Skitter has posted more than most but I can’t remember anything particularly meaningful she has said. I could definitely see this kind of playstyle (probing without actually doing much) coming from scum.

I don’t like Vorkuta’s content generally. I have a feeling he is Town based on the lack of general activity this day phase when he’s been the main wagon and his apparent lack of survivalism. I feel like he could have made life easier for himself here as scum.

the bold's logic has issues.

you're handing out a TR out of desparity. Vorks town for a lack of activity. lack of survivalism is towny wouldnt you say? Scum should act towny right?

underlined is luca stating he's ok with potentially having multiple low content slots in a possible lylo.

lot of FOS'ing. 1 TR out of desparity. Only thing Luca feels good about is me as scum. can't even explain his TR confidently.

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vork or FL should be the lynch.

the other should be PR'd.

Flub/(FL/vork) probably wont ever be NK'd.

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I'll give luca that. I'm usually not a super linear player, i dont explain everything.

I dont see PM's play coming from scum.

Not sure how my progression on FL could seem scummy.

as for why your not scum luca theres just bigger fish to fry. I didnt give much thought to you at all during my catch up tbh.

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what has vork or FL done that would be considered trying to lynch scum actively. weight that against how much effort either have them have put into looking like town.

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well that eliminates FL from my lynch pool.

I got eyes on FLub atm. will need to reread.

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Tchill directs the invest onto Flavor, meaning it will be wasted when Flavor is night killed. He also has motive for killing Flavor as they are familiar with each other’s game.

i rely on the manipulation of FL to win me scum games. I dont nk the guy.

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@Luca,

Can you explain why PM is Town?

ID LIKE TO KNOW ALSO.

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Your first question seems scummy to me - it’s like you’re trying to draw out whether I investigated you or something. I’ve said I’m almost certain you’re scum, so you can draw your own conclusions from that.

You also thought PM was Town yesterday. What’s changed?

you called for mass claim.

go ahead and claim.

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Not lynching Luca or Tchill today

I know I'm town. So I really just need one more person I'm comfortable not lynching to start thinking about this

why wouldnt you lynch me???

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i'll do a deep dive into this game wednesday night more than likely.

i need better TR's.

I need to know why luca KNOWS havo is scum and PM is town.

skitter FOS'ing me could be a product of not having other SR's.

very odd theres no big suspicion of flubb yet.

luca's case on havo does make sense but idk if im willing to go havo scum yet. he needs to answer other questions first.

PM has done little to nothing. just like Flub.

scums gotta be in one of those slots.

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skitter/havo/luca is highly, highly unlikely.

which means flub or PM has to be scum unless robb is scum.

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But no-one has been bothered about Vorkuta getting lynched. The only player who has been questioning Vorkuta’s Lynch recently has been me, and I obviously know I’m not his partner. In a game where there are so many dubious players it would be unbelievable for scum to sleepwalk into being lynched.

I guess it’s possible he could be scum, but I can’t remember scum ever being lynched in such an easy manner when a game has been in such a lifeless state. The current game state is the perfect environment for scum to stay in the shadows.

I agree that behavior wise there isn’t a lot to suggest Vorkuta is Town, but there’s not a lot to suggest he’s scum either. He’s edging closer to being lynched but doesn’t seem to be survivalistic.

PM, Flavor never said he was going to defend the Fallsoul slot, he said he was going to defend Vorkuta. Read again...

VOTE: Tchill

We have ten hours left and I’m soon to be V/LA. I think I’m sticking with my Tchill vote at this stage but hopefully we can reach a Lynch one way or another before deadline. My reads are currently as follows:

I TR Robb, because if I can’t Tr the only other player who’s been on a similar wavelength to me this game and tried to make stuff happen then I might as well throw in the towel.

PM’s recent suspicion of Tchill makes me feel a bit better about him, but still far from convinced.

The Flavor slot has been terrible generally this game and deserves to be lynched, but in a way it feels ‘too easy’ to be scum. Maybe worth looking into again on D3.

Flubbernugget is a null read and will probably remain that way. Just not enough content to get a clear read on him, but I would be inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

Havo has been rubbing me up the wrong way a bit. Probably because I disagree with a lot of what he says. I don’t likes his opinions on Skitter or Tchill, and his popping in and out feels like scum doing just enough to look busy.

Skitter has posted more than most but I can’t remember anything particularly meaningful she has said. I could definitely see this kind of playstyle (probing without actually doing much) coming from scum.

I don’t like Vorkuta’s content generally. I have a feeling he is Town based on the lack of general activity this day phase when he’s been the main wagon and his apparent lack of survivalism. I feel like he could have made life easier for himself here as scum.

We know for sure all the scum were voting by end of day 1.

PM is Town so all the scum were on Town wagons.

I think it’s likely the entire scum team was on the Vork wagon, but Flubber obviously could be scum as well.

I think it’s highly likely Tchill is scum but I’ll have to go over the wagons again.

this does not line up.

no reason for TR'ing PM so hard.

no reason other than "vanity" for TR'ing Rob.

you have your eyes on a skitter/tchill/havo team, dropping suspicion of Flub for what reason?

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VC 1.02

Azuresky (6): Robbnva, Luca Blight, Fallsoul, Tchill13, Azuresky, Vorkuta
nomnomnom (1): skitter30
Fallsoul (1): nomnomnom
PMysterious (1): Flubbernugget

Not Voting (2): Havo, PMysterious

With 11 players alive, it takes 6 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-09-30 00:30:00).

Fun fact - The electronica album I've been working on is basically done! It's coming out in December.

VC 2.10

Vorkuta (5): Robbnva, skitter30, Havo, Tchill13, Luca Blight
Flavor Leaf (2): Flubbernugget, Vorkuta
Tchill13 (1): PMysterious

Not Voting (1): Flavor Leaf

With 9 players alive, it takes 5 to reach a majority. Day one ends in (expired on 2019-10-04 22:30:00).

[Tchill13]

Robb, luca and i are the non conf townies on d1 lynch. all 3 of us were also on the d2 lynch.

flub and pmysterious were off the wagon both lynches.

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I agree with you about pm. There is a few people who are underwhelming which is annoying cause they can't all be town.

at this point in the game i feel that robb could have went after PM/Flub/vork for all the same reasons.

not a mention of flub...

could it be robb/luca/flub?

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disregard the team guess. i need to do more research.

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I strongly believe Robb and PM are Town. I can reveal why after a mass-claim, but I’ll only agree to a mass-claim if it’s in a certain order:

Havo, Skitter, Tchill, Flubs, Robb, PM should be the order.

And if you’re Town then do not lie about your role.

I am on holiday now so will be V/LA until next week, but will still try to be as active as possible.

you refuse to go first? you demand that you're last?

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whats your role flub

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thats an interesting claim skitter.

im vt.

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Skitter 'feels' Townie, but not enough content to get a concrete read yet.

yeah this is generally a p bad reason to townread me

luca is still townie

it checks out i guess.

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My Dudes

this is the best crumb ive ever seen.

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so flub/robb and ???

skitter is a PR. if thats believed then luca is cleared by default.

this lines up with PM being a PR as well.

havo is a pr.

im town.

if its a 3 man team somebody is lying.

if its a 2 man team flub/robb is possible.

cant wait for flub and robbs claims.

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{}
{Luca}
{skitter, HAvo, Tchill}
{Jigglypuff, soul, Flubber}
{Robb}

Some of these are "policy" reads but I hope that will change as the day goes along and they contribute something AI.

red flag on PM's claim.

PM should be conftown at this point.

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So, currently, my reads are based on the Azure wagon and nothing else. So, I will only have 5 other players to point out and why I think this way.

Robbnva- Null. Honestly, from reading the ISO, he was aggressive with Azure, and he remained adamant that Azure was scum. However, I didn’t like the arrogance Robb presented in his posts like saying “this will be easy” or stuff like that.

Luca- Town. Not a lot wrong with anything said, and nothing seems off.

Fall/Flavor- Scum. I’ve said this before, the “reasoning” that Fallsoul gave is a bad omen. On top of what seems to be defensive reasoning after the fact, I don’t really like this slot. Again, Flavor, if you are willing to answer me.

You mentioned that you wanted to defend this slot. If you were not Fallsoul’s slot, what would your defense for him be?

Tchill- Null. There are definitely some solid points made by Tchill, but there is one post that’s bothering me, because it just doesn’t feel complete.

I think Luca, Flub and PMysterious need rope.

I dont like overly explaining this early. Those are the ones i think should be pushed.

(Edited to remove unnecessary quotes.)

I am curious about this. So, I have a question.

If you were to explain your reasoning in great detail, what would the tl;dr for the explanation say?

Vort- Null. Called for intent to hammer and did so after the self-vote. Considering the circumstances, I can’t really give a definitive “Town” or “Scum” call on this one. I am leaning toward Town, but it wouldn’t be farfetched to say that Vort is Scum just wanting to get out of the day quick.

Everyone else is null for the time being, because of the lack of other major events that went down around this time.

With that said, I’m going to place my vote down.

VOTE: Flavor

I would like these questions answered before the end of the game day if at all possible.

why wouldnt you HARD push Vork after you were conftown to him and you were in his scum lean tier?

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@Luca,

Can you explain why PM is Town?

ID LIKE TO KNOW ALSO.

Well, I don't want to beat around the bush with this one any longer, since people do want to know why Luca performed a 180 like that.

I am a Friendly Neighbor. I targeted Luca last night to show him I'm Town (which I can assume went through since he's now saying I am town), and on Night 1, I targeted Vork.

{}
{Luca}
{skitter, HAvo, Tchill}
{Jigglypuff, soul, Flubber}
{Robb}

Some of these are "policy" reads but I hope that will change as the day goes along and they contribute something AI.

red flag on PM's claim.

PM should be conftown at this point.

? not sure what you mean here?

PM targeted Vork n1 to let Vork know PM was town.

"Jigglypuff" (PM) is a scum lean in vorks read list d2.

PM then lists Vork as a null read. Which shouldnt happen. PM should push Vork for not having her as a hard TR due to the fact that Vork should know PM was town at this point.

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someone please quote havos crumb.

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Havo seems to be the only one out of the remaining "active" players that's doing meaningful pushing and solving IMHO.

Robb has one trick in his book and every other posts comes from his "lets hypertunnel" agenda. I don't know if this lack of nuance is his town play, but I can see it go both ways.

Tchill feels like he's saying words but not producing actual content with his posts- reads as someone being political and not attracting any unwanted attention

Flubber, like ^, has even more hot air in his ISO. However in our previous game together he was pretty much exactly like this and it was very difficult to get stuff out of him so this might well be his town game

I don't have a read on jigglypuff but I think there are more interesting slots to hunt today

Luca is also doing solving

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Finally some half-decent content. A couple of questions:

What solid points has Tchill made?

Any thoughts on Skitter defending you before putting Vorkuta at L-2?

To be fair, Tchill was the one that first stated that the Azure wagon couldn't have all been town. That's the main point Tchill has made, but other than that, I can't really think of anything.

As for Skitter, I am thankful that she defended me, and the vote on Vork, considering that I have him as a null at the moment, it's a fair vote.

Looking through, I definitely see why Vork would be the leading wagon, but I'd personally put more emphasis on Flavor Leaf at the moment

, because the question I have still hasn't been answered. It's easy to defend the slot that you are occupying, but Flavor stated that he was looking to defend the Fallsoul slot regardless of the slot, so I'm curious about this defense.

PM's reactions to vorks reads of PM...

DO NOT MAKE SENSE.

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And pretty sure there isn’t 1 post this day phase

So.... if we reduce everything down to the bare minimum, your case on me is reducible to
-'OMGUS because rob was horrible to azure on D1 and pointing that out is bad'
-'vork doesnt contribute as town'
And I'm going to address the second one, but I'll have to stop

feeding the troll

arguing with you long enough to get there.

Don’t really appreciate you ignoring this question

skitter and papa leaf

are just players that I probably will never be able to read confidently and the hypothetical utility that they may bring to town will outweigh any case I may come up with for lynching either of them early.

2 players not named PM that vork refuses to lynch.

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{Luca}
{havo, flubber}
{Papa_leaf, skitter}
{jigglypuff}
{Tchill, Robb}

Luca and Havo are the ones that I think are doing the most genuine scum hunting IMHO.
Havo's D1 play makes her a tier lower than luca

Flubber shows reasoning. He's more active than when he previously was in cats (idk if activity is a tell for him or not) but yeah

The fact that papa_leaf actually CLAIMED VT when there so early is just very surprising to me.
Is he slipping? This is a complete 180 from what I'm used to seeing from him so idk what's happening here and how to process it.

Jigglypuff can stay here for a while because I'm having real difficulties getting a read from him.
I personally sympathize yet hate the wording of

again... this doesnt make sense.

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vork had FL as more town than PM then voted FL.

PM deemed me a more scummy player than Vork even though Vork constantly leaned scum on her when PM KNOWS vork should know she's town.

my biggest issue with this entire situation is PM had no issue with Vork SR'ing them after PM sent Vork the friendly neighbor message.

Why?

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how does one who recieved a message stating PM is town have Flub as a higher TR?

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i want Skitter to quote havo's crumb before anyone else does.

ESPECIALLY BEFORE havo points it out.

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Okay, this is not going anywhere. If Robb won't claim, then he won't claim. There's nothing we can do about that now.

It's sketchy to not claim in this position, but if he wants to be stubborn, then so be it.

are you gonna completely ignore my points made towards you?

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what an odd response to a completely valid line of questioning. skitter and luca both just shrug it off.

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Tchill’s looking like desperate scum atm.

Yep.
Pm's already confirmed themself to one living player, and who the fuck lies about being a friendly neighbor anyways

Pm can only be scum if luca is, but luca isnt

I think the chain of confirmed players is becoming too big and the poe pool is narrowing so scum feel like they need to try to create mislynches within that group

I have no idea why vork didnt strongly townread pm, but vork was town and dead, and there's someone else who i know to be town who is confirming it so

you cant tell me thats not suspicious at all.

if PM is town luca must be town.

if luca is town PM must be town.

Skitter does not have to be town if PM or Luca is town though.

of course Skitters claim and crumbs are SOLID.

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skitter, please quote havos crumb.

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Again, it's policy worthy
I hate doing that, but i have in thr past and i'll do it again if need be
There'a literally no reason not to now

suggesting a PL in a possible lylo scenario is laughable.

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i havent even come out with who i think is town and who i think is scum yet. I just want my questions answered b4 i decide.

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The reason I had thought Robb was Town was because I received a Mod pm saying PM is Town and I thought the mod had sent the cop’s result to me by accident. When everyone but Robb had announced suspicion of PM I assumed Robb was cop, but this theory is no longer relevant given PM’s claim, hence the retracting of my stance on Robb.

lord have mercy.

if this is indicative of how your brain works ik why you're so frustrating to play with now. sheesh.

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because he never quoted it.

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because he never quoted it.

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robb what do you think of my questions about vork/pm interactions?

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"my dudes"

wtf is the crumb there?

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idk what the crumb is in post 15.

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i made a sarcastic comment in post 771

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my head is about to explode. im not allowed to be sarcastic?

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I thought you quoted it

My Dudes

M = motion = my
D = detector = dudes

That's what i thought we were talking about ...

ohhhh....

ok. i paologize for being sarcastic. caused a lot of confusion. i couldnt see the crumb but skitter claimed they did.

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robb what do you think of my questions about vork/pm interactions?

wait, which question?

PM sent vork the friendly neighbor message d1 and on d2 Vork had her as a scum lean but PM never reacted to that at all.

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Also luca is conftown to me
If he says pm is conftown to him why would i not be believing that here ?

If luca's trying to pull some shitty gambit and we lose because of it then i'll blame him for the loss but otherwise i see no reason not to believe him rn

luca cant be pulling a gambit or you'd be dead... remember?

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Also luca is conftown to me
If he says pm is conftown to him why would i not be believing that here ?

If luca's trying to pull some shitty gambit and we lose because of it then i'll blame him for the loss but otherwise i see no reason not to believe him rn

luca cant be pulling a gambit or you'd be dead... remember?

oh i get what youre saying.

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nah i dont think town luca pulls that gambit anyway.

i just want to know why pm didnt react to vork having her as a SR.

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PM sent vork the friendly neighbor message d1 and on d2 Vork had her as a scum lean but PM never reacted to that at all.

ah, missed that. That is a good question. PM should have been top of the list unless vork never got the message.

not only is it weird that Vork didnt do that but PM just let that crap go.

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nah i dont think town luca pulls that gambit anyway.

i just want to know why pm didnt react to vork having her as a SR.

Exactly

And idk why pm didnt but it's functionally irrelevant to me rn and i think it's p bad that you keep trying to push this

let PM answer the question.

idc what you or luca think of it. try to understand my perspective. someone who doesnt have a role viewing this situation.

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is it impossible a VT think its weird? i mean come on.

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I have seen town lynch PRs because "your role doesn't make sense in the setup" only to be wrong.

ppl want to do everything but scum hunt because they suck at scum hunting.

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why would pm ignore the fact vork should have TR'd them

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I think my preferred lynch rn is tchill

smh. give the game some damn time.

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we still have to hear from havo on his n2 action.

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is it impossible a VT think its weird? i mean come on.

Yes? From my pov luca needs to lying for pm to be scum

From your pov you need me *and* luca to be lying for pm to be scum

im scummy for saying the way pm and vork handled pm's n1 action makes zero sense.

i have not defenitively called you, pm or luca scum. chill.

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not to mention havo and skitter, 2 different PR's, both just so happened to perform their night action on a player that was killed that same night.

thats highly unlikely.

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is it impossible a VT think its weird? i mean come on.

Yes? From my pov luca needs to lying for pm to be scum

From your pov you need me *and* luca to be lying for pm to be scum

im scummy for saying the way pm and vork handled pm's n1 action makes zero sense.

i have not defenitively called you, pm or luca scum. chill.

I mean it looks like you're trying to shade pm rn

i mean i get where your coming from but i havent even pushed them yet. all ive done is ask a very legitimate question.

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I’m Town Motion Detector.

I crumbed it in my very first post.

I scanned Nom nite 1, I detected motion and he wound up the nite kill.

The person I scanned last nite is still alive.

nom is a nk that wasnt too obvious.

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I softed pretty hard yesterday that i was going to be on fl last night, i think you even commented on it

i wish you would continue to assume what im thinking.

please calm down until we have all the info, then i will tell ppl exactly what im thinking.

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no, im not pushing pm. once again. its a very legit question.

pm said they werent paying attention to vorks reads.

did you see me run pm into the ground for that?

HILL

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CHILL

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"OMG YOURE PUSHING A PLAYER FOR ASKING QUESTIONS THAT MAKE SENSE"

GTFOH skitter.

i understand that PM and luca are conftown to you. i get it. i get that you crumbed. i get that youre providing a scenario where 40 percent of the game is conftown.

just give me a little bit and dont try to FOS me for asking things that make sense.

i want to hear who havo targeted n2.

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I softed pretty hard yesterday that i was going to be on fl last night, i think you even commented on it

i wish you would continue to assume what im thinking.

please calm down until we have all the info, then i will tell ppl exactly what im thinking.

I dont get how this is a response to this quote

youre defending youre claim when i am suspicious of the fact you and havo had action that targeted the nk.

youre assuming that i think YOU are the one with the fake claim.

just chill.

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Idk why he didn’t announce that when he claimed

you dont get to make that statement if youre not gonna claim.

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robb you need to claim

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luca needs to claim.

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why would pm ignore the fact vork should have TR'd them

I didn't notice Vork's play at the time it was happening, considering there were other things going on that I was more concerned about. I did target Vork on Night 1, but on Day 2, I wished to stay low when it came to my power role. Although looking at it now, the fact that he had me as a scum read is strange, as I vividly remember targeting him on Night 1, and I don't think Mafia had any reason to roleblock or JK me given that I didn't post a lot on the previous day. Basically, I was no threat to the Mafia at the time, at least I don't think I was. It could be safe to assume that there is a JK or Roleblocker in the set up that hasn't claimed yet.

so youre asking me to believe that vork is so careless they'd dismiss, or just miss altogether a message from the mod stating youre town?

then you're also asking me to believe that you would not prioritize focusing on vork's actions after sending Vork that message. Why send that to Vork N1? Especially if you were more concerned about other things to the point that you didnt pay attention to Vork's play d2.

(idc about other actions in this game when it comes to this event. this is an independent though directed to PM only.)

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there's no way that was an all-town wagon

i dont' like any of: vork, fallsoul, tchill

robb was being awful but in a way that i think is nai for him
i think tchill can prob read him better than i can but i'm not townreading tchill rn so i'm wary of trusting him

luca i actually kinda think is townie

i don' really have reads on the other people

this is one of the games where i have too many scumreads and don't have nearly enough townreads

i'm v confident luca is town
pm probably is too

i dislike tchill the most rn

i don't have good reads on havo or robb. i have no idea how to read robb and i honestly don't remember most of what havo's said this game

flubb's prob town too

why is flub prob town?