Micro 891 - Death List (Game Over)

[Dunnstral]

so youre not buying in to wifom?

I can see hectic doing it, never played with dunn, have you? Think dunn would wifom?

I will not comment about having played with other players or not. I feel like scum!Dunn would be a bit more careful but I can see him submitting his number like that as scum. Hence, the tiny town read.

I don't think I'm more likely to be lynched than other people because I picked a high number

Or maybe the year he graduated.

That would be pretty impressive

VOTE: Reverse

Reverse -> Half -> Skip seems like a good idea to me

[Dunnstral]

At the end of every phase, the top-listed player will die.

It's impossible to manipulate it in a way where mafia can't kill someone who is town in 1 shuffle

[Dunnstral]

Ok so I thought I had this, but I've realised my brain can't comprehend the voting system beyond whatever it can currently do so can you enlighten me, who would that hit?

Element

[Dunnstral]

I'm going to sheep this because I think this is good.

HALF->REVERSE->SKIP

VOTE: HALF

That is the first time someone has expressed a desire to sheep my read, then immediately voted me :lol:
Thank you GiF for bringing us this magical setup.

Since we don't know what the mafia might do at night and any of our reads might be wrong, I think it's going to be best to pick transformations one by one. It is not possible for the mafia to go in 5 player LyLo and become impossible for us to lynch one of them even if we have both of them identified.
Using the votecount to show where you are is always a good idea, though.
I'm going to VOTE: Pair, which is a Dunnstral vote; I think that's the most likely of the 4 lynchable players to flip scum. They're all pretty close, except for the one whose role PM I can view.

But I think it's important to keep sorting all 9 slots.
Not excited by dongempire's reaction right away on that topic.

@Elements: Why are you saying "I think we should do at least one rearranging of the list"? I noticed "Skip" is the only option we can do that reduces scum's agency, actually, whereas every other option gives them the choice of selecting "Undo", "Undo" is identical to not submitting anything if we skip. Why are you drawing the opposite conclusions from me about the mechanics here?

Fake read, and you conveniently didn't notice in my 3 posts that my action to reverse the list wouldn't hit elements, and would instead hit Locke if there were only 1 action per day. This is something that I would expect you to comment on if you were town, instead it seems you called me the scummiest person just because

[Dunnstral]

If you think that miscounting the mechanic is scum indicative for me, why did you not come after me when I accidentally selfvoted on page two or so?

You didn't self-vote because it requires 3 shuffles to end the day. What happened was you thought you self voted, but without the knowledge that you thought it only took 1 shuffle to end the day there was nothing for me to "come after".

Do you still not understand the mechanic?

I noticed in Crown on the Ground I have to vote you to get you out of your shell sometimes, so I wouldn't expect you to be so surprised by a Dunnstral vote in a lower information phase of the game.

It looks less like you're sorting and more like you're pretending to be town to me.

I finished writing a c program that sims this game's mechanic.

I'm gonna keep guessing combinations of 3 things and see if I can figure out a combination mutations that lynches dongempire and makes azuresky bulletproof.

The players that go into the night in the positions 3, 5, 7, and 8 are all unable to be killed in 1 action

Those are the numbers when there's still 9 alive, so our numbers for today.

To a certain extent we can manipulate who gets killed at night.

As for your inquiry, that would be HALF -> REVERSE -> SKIP, just looking at those two.

[Dunnstral]

I forgot about the undo action so I'm probably wrong above on some of those numbers, but some of those should be safe still

[Dunnstral]

unless of course, the last action is skip - then they're can't undo anything, and I think we only need 2 actions to kill most if not everyone here

Also:
]uv][/uv]

[Dunnstral]

UNVOTE:

[Dunnstral]

lul but the mafia get example town PMs sent to them

Do they?

[Dunnstral]

This feels like a weird progression, pushing a scumread more then unvoting, I can think of a town reason for it but I'm curious to hear from you, whats your reasoning for this?

I think there's more to focus on than just getting somebody lynched with the votes today and I want to figure the progression of 3 shuffles before I vote for the first one

[Dunnstral]

I don't think I'm the person to pick for "guy who doesn't know the setup"

[Dunnstral]

Can you do something more than 1-liners?

Yeah, as evident in thread

[Dunnstral]

Alright, so I'm gonna be honest. I've never been lynched on this site as any alignment, period.
That subconsciously makes me care far too much about being lynched, since some part of me wants that streak to continue.

Didn't get this feeling from that game where you were a mason and got run up to l-1

[Dunnstral]

This feels like a weird progression, pushing a scumread more then unvoting, I can think of a town reason for it but I'm curious to hear from you, whats your reasoning for this?

I think there's more to focus on than just getting somebody lynched with the votes today and I want to figure the progression of 3 shuffles before I vote for the first one

I don't think I'm the person to pick for "guy who doesn't know the setup"

Do I even need to say anything on why these 2 quotes are here.

Yes you do, what are you getting at?

[Dunnstral]

Chemist is playing like I've seen them play every time they're mafia

Hectic having the doc crumb in there is pretty suspicious plus I don't think he was survivalist in another game as town

I'm not townreading Maria or Elements

[Dunnstral]

The first 3 pages are rolepaying and setup spec, damn.
I guess it befalls me to restart the rvs so we can actually get started.
VOTE: Guyinfreezer because i sure as hell wouldnt mind a more straightforward lynching system.

I was about to call this post scummy for trying to start RVS but not actually engaging a player

And then I realized that's my slot

I'M SMART GUYS

Also, it's voting for the mod, and votes for players don't do anything in this game

[Dunnstral]

I think chemist is the scummiest person right now and they're never going to do anything (this is his scum meta)

Elements is slightly scummy/neutral, I wouldn't cry if they had to be second to lynch chemist

Also wouldn't cry if we lynched hectic today

[Dunnstral]

Nymph/Azure are my townreads

pops looks good too

Maria IDK

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Layer

[Dunnstral]

Don't answer a question with a question

[Dunnstral]

Dunn, can you explain your Nymph townread?
I want to see some of your thought processes
In a different context from you lunging at me because you think I'm scum
Though that was equally helpful

Because they looked like town in their posts

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Your trajectory is:

1)Somebody in this playerlist has an agenda
2)That somebody is Azure, obviously
3)Lynch Dunn and N_M

I'd say it needs some adjustment, also explain 2 please.

[Dunnstral]

I'm not refusing to work with you

I don't have much to say about Nymph other than that they looked like town to me, probably because they are indeed "playing the game" as mentioned

[Dunnstral]

We should again be thinking about who the mafia can kill at night - going for n_m today is mechanically bad because it does not end in a "skip" which allows us to limit what mafia can do by denying "undo".

[Dunnstral]

I see him IDKing her like this as a partner and I think if they rolled scum together they would wanna work really separately and they've been on different things.

What do you expect me to be doing? I don't try to solve her alignment day 1, you can see that if you look at other games we've been in together.

[Dunnstral]

making me think its someone with suspison (Dunn/rrrrrrR)

I didn't have suspicion going into night 1, you're twisting facts to suit your narrative right now

[Dunnstral]

What's an f3 player?

final 3

[Dunnstral]

I don't think it's worth going into mafia choices, they could have framed elements yet didn't, they probably value the ability to get the lynch off themself, or frame somebody later. It just wasn't worth going for elements at that time with the other choices available, or something like that.

Speaking of which, the other choices available were:

Reverse: Pops
Pair: MariaR
Half: Not_Mafia

[Dunnstral]

Where did I push pops?

[Dunnstral]

which two would you put at the top Dunn?

I don't know, I needed to hear from you and NM

[Dunnstral]

..

same

[Dunnstral]

N_M Should have to do something

[Dunnstral]

They're never going to do anything ai

So did we think locke was town or not?

[Dunnstral]

Suggesting we should just ignore the mechanic and play mafia normally.

Go join a normal game if you want to do that

There's a mechanic for a reason

[Dunnstral]

I want to lynch Hectic

[Dunnstral]

DDL came into this game with an agenda against me

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Pair

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Skip

[Dunnstral]

I'm not self voting

Pair was me moving towards voting lynching n_m

Skip was me reconsidering for MariaR

[Dunnstral]

N_M + MariaR

How do we do this?

[Dunnstral]

Put me down for 2,3,6

[Dunnstral]

Apparently Dunnstral can't be killed alongside someone I find scummy

All a part of my master plan

[Dunnstral]

Which of those makes pops unkillable?

[Dunnstral]

Then let's do the second one

I think pops is most likely to be targeted by maf if town

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Reverse

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: Pair

[Dunnstral]

VOTE: pair

[Dunnstral]

Why pair?

So we can lynch the last scum

[Dunnstral]

It's either MariaR or Nymph

[Dunnstral]

Like, after that dance game where I poured everything into showing I was town and mass posted people were still gonna kill me. So that kinda ruined my hopes of ever getting to 'obv town status'

You were obv town to me

[Dunnstral]

My reads haven't changed, don't lynch ddl

[Dunnstral]

They do though

You're not acting towny and Nymph is poe because I don't think it's Pops or DDL

[Dunnstral]

I don't see a need to do that

[Dunnstral]

Dunnstral are you interested in persuading anyone about your reads?

No

You have 2 lynches left, that gets used on me and MariaR

And if we lose, then it was Nymph

[Dunnstral]

I don't know what you guys want from me

DDL isn't scum

[Dunnstral]

@mod

the deadline has been reached

[Dunnstral]

Note that MariaR mysteriously disappeared, even though she was the last vote needed

She knew the deadline was coming, and didn't want to pair because that would lynch her. She also didn't say anything. Going into this night, she has to swap. She doesn't win when there's only 2 player alive, you can force a win through by clever positioning, even if you lynch wrong every time, just put pops at the bottom

[Dunnstral]

Note that MariaR mysteriously disappeared, even though she was the last vote needed

She knew the deadline was coming, and

didn't want to pair because that would lynch her

. She also didn't say anything. Going into this night, she has to swap. She doesn't win when there's only 2 player alive, you can force a win through by clever positioning, even if you lynch wrong every time, just put pops at the bottom

Day 3.1

MariaR <<
Dunnstral
DrDolittle
popsofctown
Nymph

MariaR,

Town

, was eliminated.
Night 3 deadline: (expired on 2019-11-01 13:04:53)

Dunnstral what was this?

I didn't realize the 3.2 votecount was a hammer for pair. Afterwards I thought the deadline expiring would equal a nolynch

[Dunnstral]

Her push on me was very lazy

[Dunnstral]

pops is just good at scum and I underestimate her after having already seen her play scum because she feels natural

[Dunnstral]

[*]If the deadline is reached before the lynch has reached, the day will end with

No Lynch

, unless mentioned otherwise.

Am I missing something or should Maria not have even been lynched?