Micro 891 - Death List (Game Over)

[Locke113]

I have a really really tiny town read on Dunn and Hectics.

VOTE: HALF

Only a tiny read? Everyone knows locktown reads are where its at during D1

VOTE: HALF

[Locke113]

Forgive me for what I must do but its all aboard the page by page catch-up train, choo choo!!!

Spoiler:

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I can already tell joining this game was a terrible terrible mistake

I have a really really tiny town read on Dunn and Hectics.

VOTE: HALF

You believe scum are less likely to put themselves at the top of the list?

I believe scum to be more careful and not careless.

Surely thats mostly down to playstyle, rather than alignment? I mean sure scum might be more careful than usual but a careless player will overall be careless no matter the alignment

VOTE: SKIP

Some reasoning would be appreciated.

Pretty sure 12 is pretty sketchy because this site does not allow cryptography/secret messages in their site rules. And 13 feels LAMIST especially with the fake claim. You do realize how stacked this lobby is right?

I'm curious what bearing the fact that the lobby is stacked has to do with the point you're making. Also how stacked is this lobby exactly?

[Locke113]

well fuck me, I could swear that use to work last time I played

[Locke113]

Page 2

Really sorry everyone, but I'm in far too many games right now, so I'm gonna have to sub out of this one. I have thoroughly enjoyed my time with everyone here, and it was great bantering with the likes of emps and Sushi Martyr.

But the pressure from rolling Rolecop was just far too stressful for me to handle, so I'd like apologise to my scum partner,

teacher

, and to the mafiascum community as a whole for my disgraceful act here.

Don't scumread my replacement for this please.

@mod:

Requesting replacement.

Fantastic news everyone: I'm going to claim town. Thought about survivor or lyncher, but I think it'd be hard to justify those, so town it is for now.

The reread that was promised will be delivered tomorrow. For now, I have some enquiries to make to some of the lovely innocent members of this fine upstanding town.

I did not go into this game expecting to sort Hectic by page 2, for sure

Recently, individuals have been sorting me as town

far

too early in games.
It'll be page 2, we're still the depths of RVS when Elizabeth pops up and says: "Hectic is obvtown btw. Gonna treat him as an Innocent Child from here."
Elizabeth, though I appreciate your support, it does take some of the fun out of the game for me, it causes things to be a lot more dull.
I want a challenge, I want to prove my towniness just like the rest of you.
Therefore, I will intentionally avoid all townspewing this game. Thank you for understanding.

Out of interest, what is your read on me so far?

I've changed my mind, I love this man

Ugh, that Nymph kid? They've got to go. The best way to do that is to Layer into Pair
VOTE: Layer
Should be pretty obvious if you ask me.

I have no clue who you are but I like you already

For The record, as long as Im alive, I will try to provide everyone with what the action will lead to help with scumhunting. If you want to know how to lynch someone, I will let you know:

For Now: 3 Shuffles Remaining

REVERSE - Locke113
HALF - Popsofctown
PAIR - MariaR
LAYER - Locke113
SKIP (ENDS THE DAY) - Hectic
UNDO (COSTS ONE SHUFFLE, DOES NOT END DAY) - Hectic

(Please let me know if there are any mistakes)

Corrected

Nifty

[Locke113]

I doubt I "see what you're talking" about MariaR, I'm pretty sure I'm a piano that is tuned quite differently from you most of the time. I would say what pings me is post 33 https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... #p11274380 being easily replaceable with no post at all.

You do realise there are post tags right? Like you've been on this site much longer than myself so I don't want to be rude, just it seems weird to post the whole url rather than use the post tags

Because I found it weird that you would pivot and not mention anything about Hectic's weird posts.

Why would I respond to nonsense? Seems kinda useless and just clogs of the thread. So, if the interaction is so strange to you what kinda impression does it give you? 'Strange' can mean many things. Why don't you clear that up.

How dare you? Hectic is a treasure, I've only had Hectic for about five minutes tops, but if anything happened to him, I would kill everyone in this room and then myself.

I slight town lean MariaR.

I assume you have reasons for this read?

Ok, I'm going to leave a big post here for awhile as I plan on being busy tomorrow:

Give me Maria for town at this point, I'm usually a sucker for posts like #11, as most of the time this is a genuine statement.

Quickly looking at Hectics #12, I found the words,

Wind Tracker May Ruined Wrong Byes

take that as you will, its probably nothing, as there are no PRs in this game.

Hectic #15 ("You Believe Scum are Less Likely to put themselves at the top of the list") - Hectic could be scum for this. The WIFOM play is ballsy and something I can respect. Nymph v Hectic looks to be TvS if you ask me.

Pops is probably town, but I do have a tiny tiny tiny reason to believe she is scum, but I do not feel like outing my reason as it is reaching (and somewhat a gut feeling) and I tr pops enough for now to ignore it.


In Summary, I personally would like to think as of right now: Hectic/Nymph and someone who hasn't talked much yet (Dong/Elements/Dunn/Locke). I would vote SKIP right now, but I want to hear from those 4 before I make any more assumptions. I think this should provide yall some talking points to work with.

Other Notes:

I have a really really tiny town read on Dunn and Hectics.

VOTE: HALF

Dunn hasn't posted yet up to that post. Fake reads?

#11 was her first post right? curious what you like about the post, beyond the fact that its very entertaining?

Curious could you elaborate on what makes Hectic v Nymph look TvS to you?

Not sure I like the whole I townread this person, but I think they also might be scum but I'm not gonna say what it is. Like just give us the deets.

[Locke113]

So Zetta slow

[Locke113]

I had a theory that I've been thinking about how to possibly use VCA and associate players with other players based off the 3rd shuffle. If a player that is safe picks one option over another, then see who would die in that other option. That person has a "buddying" relationship with that player if the player or other person is scum.

Do I tryhard in this game and get a notebook and draw the permutations and statistical possibilities for each shuffle? Do I hate myself enough to do this?

You know you want to, turn the dark side, I'm totally not saying this cause that sounds cool but I don't have the brains to do it myself

Pops is probably town, but I do have a tiny tiny tiny reason to believe she is scum, but I do not feel like outing my reason as it is reaching (and somewhat a gut feeling) and I tr pops enough for now to ignore it.

I can't think of a protown reason not to out it.

If you feel that the reason is invalid at its core, there are six townies that can show you so in a collaborative process.
If it's truly valid at its deepest core then scum!pops would possibly NK you n1 or n2 as one of the players with a reservation against you she could never address, or maybe I guess she leaves you alive until LyLo where there is only 1 other townie to figure out whether your idea is dumb or smart and talk it out with you. But like, I don't see how it helps you to hide it.

That said, if it concerns some of my ongoing games that you have read, it is undeed the unfortunate case that you're required to use it to inform your read but not explain it to other people, according to site rules. Expressing a desire that you hope one of those games finish during this one would be o.k.

In regards to weather the mafia would put themselves at the top or bottom of the list - I think there's so much wifom there it's pointless speculating especially given we can get anyone to the top of the list.

Agree with both of these rn

so youre not buying in to wifom?

I can see hectic doing it, never played with dunn, have you? Think dunn would wifom?

I will not comment about having played with other players or not. I feel like scum!Dunn would be a bit more careful but I can see him submitting his number like that as scum. Hence, the tiny town read.

I don't think I'm more likely to be lynched than other people because I picked a high number

Or maybe the year he graduated.

That would be pretty impressive

VOTE: Reverse

Reverse -> Half -> Skip seems like a good idea to me

Ok so I thought I had this, but I've realised my brain can't comprehend the voting system beyond whatever it can currently do so can you enlighten me, who would that hit?

P-Edit: Oh boy, I need Elements in here, I need him to help me break this game

What's your history with Elements? Don't tell me you need them to get your own footing in the game. That'd be pretty bland.

I'll entertain this. I feel like MariaR has some weird interaction with Hectic.

@MariaR: What do you think about Hectic?

Uh, are you alright? I don't have a single interaction with Hectic. So I don't know what you're talking about. Humans, you're so strange I swear.

What do I think about the guy? He's posted a bunch of nonsense that I don't care to read. His questions aren't interesting. I'm waiting but he's on my bad side. Well, more than normal.

Pedit: Thanks for joining my vote. Keep it up

we got one of these ones eh?
you're lucky you're not in my prime years of 2008-2012
would rage and deathtunnel you
but i have something that my 2010 self didn't
patience
apathy
wisdom
so i will disregard this
for now

Seriously, can you just be in all my games from now on?

[Locke113]

Spoiler: Day1

Nymph, where on Earth did you go?

#11 was her first post right? curious what you like about the post, beyond the fact that its very entertaining?

Curious could you elaborate on what makes Hectic v Nymph look TvS to you?

As I said before in the quote, I usually find rvs posts like "im town again" or "thank god im not scum" to be genuine. This isn't always true obviously, but I tend to believe it.

Curious could you elaborate on what makes Hectic v Nymph look TvS to you?

Just how I see their posts in relation to each other.

Both of these responses feel kinda flimsy tbh, however I can't really argue with gut on the second one. Just a feeling imo. Especially flimsy considering if MariaR was being genuine in #11, that doesn't immediately indicate town, "Ugh, I hate the forces of good." could mean either I hate being town or I hate town because I am scum. Plus you have to consider the whole persona she's got going on which makes it even harder to determine such a thing as genuineness of the player vs genuineness of the persona

I'm going to sheep this because I think this is good.

HALF->REVERSE->SKIP

VOTE: HALF

That is the first time someone has expressed a desire to sheep my read, then immediately voted me
Thank you GiF for bringing us this magical setup.

Since we don't know what the mafia might do at night and any of our reads might be wrong, I think it's going to be best to pick transformations one by one. It is not possible for the mafia to go in 5 player LyLo and become impossible for us to lynch one of them even if we have both of them identified.
Using the votecount to show where you are is always a good idea, though.
I'm going to VOTE: Pair, which is a Dunnstral vote; I think that's the most likely of the 4 lynchable players to flip scum. They're all pretty close, except for the one whose role PM I can view.

But I think it's important to keep sorting all 9 slots.
Not excited by dongempire's reaction right away on that topic.

@Elements: Why are you saying "I think we should do at least one rearranging of the list"? I noticed "Skip" is the only option we can do that reduces scum's agency, actually, whereas every other option gives them the choice of selecting "Undo", "Undo" is identical to not submitting anything if we skip. Why are you drawing the opposite conclusions from me about the mechanics here?

you're reasoning for wanting to lynch Dunn seems pretty weak, especially considering we can definitely lynch more than 4 players

Pops, please stop using wishy washy wording like "not impressed" or "not thrilled" or "not excited" or any variations of that. It really doesnt bode well, especially since you consider yourself an "above average player" and yet you cant wagon a mere SE player.

This, never a big fan of language like this if its never backed up by more concrete pressure like a vote

[Locke113]

sshit why did I say day1, rather than the page number, I'm stupid, but also hey I got the spoiler tag working this time, I'm bracing myself for everyone's applause

[Locke113]

Spoiler: Page6

I can't wagon you in a literal sense, you're literally unlynchable today.

???????

Alright looks like im getting a lot of flak, thats a good sign.

I'm not scum, but im not going to defend myself. I could, but im liking where its taking everyone.

Please expand more on why my posts suck, i'll focus on some other stuff.

???????????????????????

I'm fine with this move for now.

VOTE: Skip

Huh. Had me in the first half then took a sudden right turn there

OH YOU CAN DO MORE THAN 1 SHUFFLE PER DAY

@Dong: Its a new setup I believe, Of course there is going to be alot of setup spec to start imo.

Well i want to play the game yet i dont want to waste time on learning essentially the same lynching. Hecric already said everything necessary, why are we still on this? We're just wasting time, its page 6 and no one has reads

You say this put you haven't put down a genuine vote since the very start of the game and haven't contributed anything in regards to reads yourself. If you don't want us to waste time and start sharing reads, lead by example

I believe Hectic is scum.

The notion for hectic is that theres a pretty good chance hectic believes there will be atleast one shuffle, which allows him to gambit with a huge number for townpoints because “

scum

wouldnt do that,” hectics number ENSURES hes the top, which is why I find this a gambit for townpoints.

He wants to be the top of the list, then I say we grant him his wish.

Corrected.

seems a tad wifom, I think I'm remembering my terminology right here, and I'm curious whether there is anymore to this scum read than that

sorry everyone
will get to this game tomorrow
will solve it for you because you're probably struggling
but maybe will give you some time first to let you have some fun

i see that attempt to buddy me Locke
and consider it done
you're locktown
anyone counterclaiming Elizabeth?

senpai noticed me.

Fake read, and you conveniently didn't notice in my 3 posts that my action to reverse the list wouldn't hit elements, and would instead hit Locke if there were only 1 action per day. This is something that I would expect you to comment on if you were town, instead it seems you called me the scummiest person just because

Hmmm this is a fair point, if you're gonna vote a scumread, even if its only a slight one surely you'd pick up on something like that and use it as an example of scumminess rather than just say they're mostly like to flip scum

[Locke113]

Spoiler: page7

coz it puts me second and I don't want to be night killed

Hmmm, never been a big fan of overly protective town, I know its preferable to not die as town, but to base how to lynch on the basis that it either has to make you unkillable at night/harder to kill at night seems over the top don't you think? Always found posts like this to be a sort of LAMIST post, since it usually comes across as you're trying to convince town that you can indeed be night killed because you are totally 100% town

Pops is probably town, but I do have a tiny tiny tiny reason to believe she is scum, but I do not feel like outing my reason as it is reaching (and somewhat a gut feeling) and I tr pops enough for now to ignore it.

I can't think of a protown reason not to out it.

If you feel that the reason is invalid at its core, there are six townies that can show you so in a collaborative process.
If it's truly valid at its deepest core then scum!pops would possibly NK you n1 or n2 as one of the players with a reservation against you she could never address, or maybe I guess she leaves you alive until LyLo where there is only 1 other townie to figure out whether your idea is dumb or smart and talk it out with you. But like, I don't see how it helps you to hide it.

That said, if it concerns some of my ongoing games that you have read, it is undeed the unfortunate case that you're required to use it to inform your read but not explain it to other people, according to site rules. Expressing a desire that you hope one of those games finish during this one would be o.k.

Let me explain this in a really obvious way for you. The reason you don’t out it is simple. If you suspect someone but it’s a tiny hunch. You don’t state the reason why you look for patterns on why they’re scum. That’s a little vastaya lesson for you. You can thank me later.
Don’t really like how you came at the comment but who knows maybe you got some air under your wings.

I must be a big dumbie(dumby?), cause I don't really see why its necessary to hide tiny hunches? Personally I usually just air shit out as I'm feeling it in this game, should I not be doing that in your opinion? Also, your RPing is really throwing me off reading you, I keep reading your posts like I'm reading a character rather than a player. Not a complaint though, its pretty fun to read

VOTE: Pair

This would leave Lock out right? Then reverse killing Lock/Azure. I think I'm fine with that right now

This post has just made me realise I'm still unsure how the pair/layer pair works,

does anyone know which number is left out? is a number left out at all, or is there a number that pairs twice so either 5/9, not sure which, isn't left out?

VOTE: Pair

This would leave Lock out right? Then reverse killing Lock/Azure. I think I'm fine with that right now

Im Conductor, Locke is GM.

*Math Pun*

Attempting to lynch us results in your erasure.

This is fluff dont read into it

[Locke113]

Spoiler: ThisPage

VOTE: Pair

This would leave Lock out right? Then reverse killing Lock/Azure. I think I'm fine with that right now

I've only had Azure for five minutes, but if anything happened to her I would set you on fire, then

Skip: Rope

in front of GuyInFreezer until everyone died.
You quote things from her I know you should think are "wrong but town" and I think you should be able to learn more. Can you even try to think like a human?

Okay, you're gonna have to explain this townread on Azure for me, cause I'm just not seeing it. Last post that seemed properly townie to me from her, was 45/46

I noticed in Crown on the Ground I have to vote you to get you out of your shell sometimes, so I wouldn't expect you to be so surprised by a Dunnstral vote in a lower information phase of the game.

It looks less like you're sorting and more like you're pretending to be town to me.

UNVOTE:

This feels like a weird progression, pushing a scumread more then unvoting, I can think of a town reason for it but I'm curious to hear from you, whats your reasoning for this?

[Locke113]

Well have fun with this then, cause im not gonna burn myself out at school just to come back to this

Boooooooooooooo.


I think there is way too much night spec and setting up for me here. Honestly Id wait a day or so before setting up the list to protect people.

Locke, you say my reasoning is wifomy, I think is pretty obvious that this is a ploy for townpoints as its pretty certain that atleast 1 shuffle will happen, keeping Hectic off the table for the day. He wants the top, he can have it. Vote skip, let mafia decide on Dunn.

I mean you say its pretty obvious but there is no reason to automatically assume that there is that much thought put into anyone's picked number, otherwise you can easily start to scumread anyone for any number-related reasoning. Like for example I must be scum because I picked one which means I must have been scared to be anywhere near the top. Its just wild speculation, and honestly this is really starting to feel like you're tunneling

Hectic scumslipped boys.

He DID NOT GET a town PM.

Ill leave you in suspense until I get back from work. Maybe yall can find it.

seriously this just proves my point that you're tunneling, you're grasping at straws here. If you were playing another game rn I could understand this and pass it off, you aren't

lul but the mafia get example town PMs sent to them
hence the if you're mafia real PM sent later part (paraphrasing)
so point is moot
unlucky

though her confusion about this does make her more townie
the fact she's forgotten about that section of the PM makes her far less likely to be mafia

hmmm
might have to kick her out of my FoS

What makes you so quick to believe shes geuninely confused?

[Locke113]

VOTE: Pair

This would leave Lock out right? Then reverse killing Lock/Azure. I think I'm fine with that right now

Now that I know what Pair does, wouldn't a Pair -> Reverse hit Nymph? Not me or Azure? Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you're doing here?

[Locke113]

Okay thats it, I need to know alright? I need to know what is with the countdown going on here? Its driving me crazy, please let me in on this

[Locke113]

Spoiler: page9

weird gambit for scum to fake confusion at something that can be so easily discredited
unless she's doing it to get town points for acting confused
leaning towards the former though
seems genuine
especially with the whole spotting it but not expanding until she gets home from work thing

I mean the spotting it and not expanding til later is a trick I have def seen scum pull before, they just never actually expand upon it later, theres always something that they have to do first.

lul but the mafia get example town PMs sent to them
hence the if you're mafia real PM sent later part (paraphrasing)
so point is moot
unlucky

I think you forgot about that yourself. I think you forgot about the fake town pm since you got another one afterwards.

You didnt know this was vanilla. You fakeclaimed dayvig, which I assumed was a joke, but you said you were shocked to see people ignore it. You thought there was prs for town, which can exists in games with 2 mafia (goons).

You are scum, you are gambiting for the top spot, you forgot the setup, hence why you were setting up crumbs for later to pile on towncred with the fact you wanted the top spot, because you know that people wont immediately skip. You would be safe for a bit, its a smart plan.

Problem is, its a plan I would do myself as scum, so I can see the motivation for this as a scumplay.

Why is forgetting the format a scummy thing to do? Silly/stupid I understand but using it as part of your reasoning for someone being scum seems questionable at best

[Locke113]

Spoiler: page 10

VOTE: SKIP

Some reasoning would be appreciated.

1) You say [HALF] splits the list bigger/smaller for odd numbers, but it seems to be split smaller/bigger in your example, am I misunderstanding?
2) In the case of an odd list, does [PAIR] ignore the middle number?
3) In the case of an odd list, does [LAYER] ignore the middle number?

1) I could've sworn I fixed it but it wasn't. Fixed.
2, 3) Yes.

Much appreciated.

Top of #18: I do see Hectic getting defensive from this, cause again, it should be common sense to everyone that town will shuffle once, right? How boring would it be to SKIP right away? Right Hectic? Do I have it right?

Hmm that does feel a tad defensive, especially considering his quirky persona. Not over the top or as bad as the worst I've seen but good catch

This is all bullshit.

You wanna say its Null for number speculation, which is fine when you have generic numbers like 4 and 6 and 12, but Hectics number is different. He WANTED the top, a number like 9x10^999 is so over the top its balatant.

Do you really believe Hectics number is NaI? Your defense of the man to call this tunneling is noted.

Yes I do believe that the number is NaI, I don't believe it is a fruitful avenue to go down to try to determine an alignment specific reasoning for someone's number in this game. The number itself might have been picked for a reason but I don't think it would be for any deep ingame strategy. Also lol I'm less defending Hectic and more attacking you, I consider your reasoning mostly shoddy and so here I am, calling it shoddy

huh
this tunnelling is weird
can barely see you in the dark in there
might have to confiscate your pickaxes
why is scum more likely to forget about the game being all vanilla?
both factions get the same town PM
and you think that kind of thing wouldn't come up in the scum PT?
about setup spec regarding the game being all vanilla?
really?

would go for the top spot regardless of alignment
that's NAI

Why would scum bother with setup speculation in an all vanilla setup? what even is there to speculate?

This feels like a weird progression, pushing a scumread more then unvoting, I can think of a town reason for it but I'm curious to hear from you, whats your reasoning for this?

I think there's more to focus on than just getting somebody lynched with the votes today and I want to figure the progression of 3 shuffles before I vote for the first one

Figured that was probably the case

how about crumbing VT?
would i not discuss with my scummate before doing that?
would my scummate not remind me the game isn't mountainous

Im guessing you're talking about your big chart? regardless, lol @crumbing vt

Idk, would you? Id guess no.

Probably? Maybe its Dong who dont give a fuck, Maybe its Dunn who doesn't know? Maybe... Its me and this is a scummy-nominated bus?

I'm going be honest if turned out this was SvS Hectic v Azure, my mind would probably implode

Yeah scum is the faction that lies. And I can tell the difference from when you're lying for memes and when you're lying to play in bad faith for strategic advantage.

VOTE: Skip

Curious since this is my first game with Hectic, how do you tell the difference? is it more of a feeling or is there a proper method to it?

Spoiler: repeatedly requested Azuresky towncase

For The record, as long as Im alive, I will try to provide everyone with what the action will lead to help with scumhunting. If you want to know how to lynch someone, I will let you know:

For Now: 3 Shuffles Remaining

REVERSE - Hectic
HALF - Popsofctown
PAIR - MariaR
LAYER - Locke113
SKIP (ENDS THE DAY) - Hectic
UNDO (COSTS ONE SHUFFLE, DOES NOT END DAY) - Hectic

(Please let me know if there are any mistakes)

I guess I'm pretty dumb for not noticing the "3 shuffle remaining" in this post, but qualifying this post with "as long as I'm alive" seems town indicative. Scum are less likely to contemplate being dead, on average they live longer. And Azuresky is not even in the top 2 slots - for her to even contemplate dying as some kind of default possibility, her memory has to slip about whether this game has a factional NK that she expects to eat a lot of the time.

Pops, quick question:

What alignment do you like more, scum or town?

Asking this question with the trick she later shows she had in mind for it seems like such genuine scumhunting. Scumhunting that does not look like you have the answer you want in mind and are working backwards to get it is the most town-indicative kind. I may have said "scum", and her read would have inverted.

Nah I dont need elements to play my game, but I admit Im not really sure what I should be doing right now for my vote at the moment.

Call it scummy, but I think Imma try to be more passive and laid-back this game. I usually get too aggressive for this site so Im going to wait and see, associate with people, and then vote.

So, just found out I'm wrong and everyone else is right, and there's just one NK per game. Passive play would work ok in a nightful mountainous, but given additional knowledge that this is closer to nightless mountainous, passive play is really dangerous, that's not how you win nightless setups as scum. Damn if I haven't experienced that the hard way. Soft join date, but she might know this intuitively, and even if she doesn't a partner in the scum PT probably laid out a gameplan. (Hinges somewhat on daytalk but daytalk is pretty site meta now)

I believe Hectic is scum.

The notion for hectic is that theres a pretty good chance hectic believes there will be atleast one shuffle, which allows him to gambit with a huge number for townpoints because “town wouldnt do that,” hectics number ENSURES hes the top, which is why I find this a gambit for townpoints.

He wants to be the top of the list, then I say we grant him his wish.

I think Hectic picked a high number because he's Hectic, but Azuresky's beef with him seems borne of genuine paranoia.

And I'm shifting towards scum on the slot now, so she's definitely not getting any mislynch credloss until Hectic flips. I think he essentially decided to draft 99^99^99 when he /inned for the queue in all likelihood, so the 99999 itself isn't anything, but he seems more concerned with justifying himself than I'd expect with him, and the revelation that the crossword puzzle is a VT claim is especially concerning. It's like, a serious thing to do, not a meme. But if VT is somewhere in the crossword puzzle he should know it's antitown and could cause mafia to shoot elsewhere, it's not a well concealed claim like 'first letter of each word in a random post'. That makes me interpret it as LAMIST.

Had weird spoiler related issues with this post so moving it here but: Thank you, shall look over this properly once I've caught up

[Locke113]

Spoiler: page11

Alright, so I'm gonna be honest. I've never been lynched on this site as any alignment, period.
That subconsciously makes me care

far

too much about being lynched, since some part of me wants that streak to continue.
Obviously, that's not very healthy, and probably makes me play a little bit worse, and makes every game where I'm being scumread as town a little more stressful when it really shouldn't be.
In some ways, it makes me play like scum as town, since I can't help but value survival far more than I should as town.

Also, I'm aware I only have 2 votes on me lol, and this may seem premature, but just wanted to get this out there since it's on my mind right now.
But in the event I do get mislynched, it would honestly come as a relief at this point.
If this makes you townread me, that's fantastic.
If not (this is an AtE after all), I'll do some scumhunting and elaborate on the number theory thing first, and no hard feelings.

Don't like this for the same reason I didn't like it when Elements did it, except this is worse as its openly an AtE. Dying is almost inevitable as town, it is possible to try to avoid death as town but members of town will always die no matter how good the town is that game. And considering as you said yourself this is very premature, and mentioning it doesn't make it less bad

Chemist1422 replaces Dongempire

Not suprised, Dong was clearly not interested in this game

Alright, so I'm gonna be honest. I've never been lynched on this site as any alignment, period.
That subconsciously makes me care far too much about being lynched, since some part of me wants that streak to continue.

Didn't get this feeling from that game where you were a mason and got run up to l-1

Hmmm

Normally in forum games you have a very obvious gimmicky presence; super angry, officer "officer" officer, complete troll. I don't see one This game.

While I don't have any experience playing with Hectic, based on this, you do have a point, he's quirky but I can't nail down a specific persona he might be going for here

[Locke113]

counting down

The suspense is killing me

VOTE: Pair

This would leave Lock out right? Then reverse killing Lock/Azure. I think I'm fine with that right now

Now that I know what Pair does, wouldn't a Pair -> Reverse hit Nymph? Not me or Azure? Or maybe I'm just misunderstanding what you're doing here?

Does it? Honestly, I don’t know. Let’s ask the Rift mod guy and ask for an example for each list on what the odd person out would be for each shuffle.

@MOD ^^^^^

I think so anyway, if not then I'm gonna look pretty stupid

oh god the colors

I’m in school so I have some time to catch up

Ah someone who feels my pain, I genuinely struggle to read that red text on black background

[Locke113]

Finally got round to reading through 240 and I'm a man of my word so here are some thoughts,

For The record, as long as Im alive, I will try to provide everyone with what the action will lead to help with scumhunting. If you want to know how to lynch someone, I will let you know:

For Now: 3 Shuffles Remaining

REVERSE - Hectic
HALF - Popsofctown
PAIR - MariaR
LAYER - Locke113
SKIP (ENDS THE DAY) - Hectic
UNDO (COSTS ONE SHUFFLE, DOES NOT END DAY) - Hectic

(Please let me know if there are any mistakes)

I guess I'm pretty dumb for not noticing the "3 shuffle remaining" in this post, but qualifying this post with "as long as I'm alive" seems town indicative. Scum are less likely to contemplate being dead, on average they live longer. And Azuresky is not even in the top 2 slots - for her to even contemplate dying as some kind of default possibility, her memory has to slip about whether this game has a factional NK that she expects to eat a lot of the time.

Hmm, I can see the reasoning here, especially considering her join date. While scum absolutely can contemplate death and in some particularly confident moves, propose their own death as a viable option, I don't think most newbie scum would be as likely to do it. Very far from definitive but can see where the early town read came from.

Pops, quick question:

What alignment do you like more, scum or town?

Asking this question with the trick she later shows she had in mind for it seems like such genuine scumhunting. Scumhunting that does not look like you have the answer you want in mind and are working backwards to get it is the most town-indicative kind. I may have said "scum", and her read would have inverted.

Eh I suppose its consistent with her trick is consistent with her other posts where she puts too much stock into people's first posts but not really sure that is a good attempt at determining anyone's alignment

Nah I dont need elements to play my game, but I admit Im not really sure what I should be doing right now for my vote at the moment.

Call it scummy, but I think Imma try to be more passive and laid-back this game. I usually get too aggressive for this site so Im going to wait and see, associate with people, and then vote.

So, just found out I'm wrong and everyone else is right, and there's just one NK per game. Passive play would work ok in a nightful mountainous, but given additional knowledge that this is closer to nightless mountainous, passive play is really dangerous, that's not how you win nightless setups as scum. Damn if I haven't experienced that the hard way. Soft join date, but she might know this intuitively, and even if she doesn't a partner in the scum PT probably laid out a gameplan. (Hinges somewhat on daytalk but daytalk is pretty site meta now)

Okay so I've seen this phrasing a couple of times, what is mountainous? Cause it seems like an important part of the point you're making here and I don't know what it is

I believe Hectic is scum.

The notion for hectic is that theres a pretty good chance hectic believes there will be atleast one shuffle, which allows him to gambit with a huge number for townpoints because “town wouldnt do that,” hectics number ENSURES hes the top, which is why I find this a gambit for townpoints.

He wants to be the top of the list, then I say we grant him his wish.

I think Hectic picked a high number because he's Hectic, but Azuresky's beef with him seems borne of genuine paranoia.

This really comes down to what one considers genuine or not, and its at least partially something you have to feel out so I can't really counter this point except to say, I disagree

[Locke113]

I feel like there has been too much talk and not enough action at this point.

If you feel like playing the setup game and setting up shuffles to work in towns favor, go right on ahead and start voting. The people that want to do that need to start making ideas and plans to go through.

My vote still stands. Everyone should be able to look at reactions from me/hectic/elements/pops/locke. Theres stuff to work with in there. If the activity wasnt so low Id argue the hesitation on wagoning SKIP makes it town-oriented. I have no plans of messing with the list at this point.

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@mRaRrRiRaR: if youre scumreading half this list youre trying too hard.
@Pops: voting skip out of emotion looks bad.
@Nymph: wouldnt scum be more content to sit back than to actually play the game? Dong could have stayed in and twiddled his thumbs. Its a nulltell anyways since he was getting looked at for his hypocrisy.

Honestly, I'm kinda feeling this post

[Locke113]

I feel like there has been too much talk and not enough action at this point.

If you feel like playing the setup game and setting up shuffles to work in towns favor, go right on ahead and start voting. The people that want to do that need to start making ideas and plans to go through.

My vote still stands. Everyone should be able to look at reactions from me/hectic/elements/pops/locke. Theres stuff to work with in there. If the activity wasnt so low Id argue the hesitation on wagoning SKIP makes it town-oriented. I have no plans of messing with the list at this point.

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@mRaRrRiRaR: if youre scumreading half this list youre trying too hard.
@Pops: voting skip out of emotion looks bad.
@Nymph: wouldnt scum be more content to sit back than to actually play the game? Dong could have stayed in and twiddled his thumbs. Its a nulltell anyways since he was getting looked at for his hypocrisy.

Honestly, I'm kinda feeling this post

Are you going to do any of the stuff she calls for or are you dongempire 2.0? I'm looking through the thread and trying to figure out how much support half pair half or half layer half might have and I'm realizing I don't know what you want, but you've posted an awful lot of not giving any sign.

You know, I'm pretty sure I forgot to respond to Maria asking for peeps to say what they wanted to do, so guess this is a two for one. can't say what the best sequence for any of these would be currently I'm down for {Elements, Azure, Hectic???, you???}, pretty undecided on Maria, gonna have to have a closer look at her posts, see if I can crack that tough exterior. Dunn is like a leantown for me, dong/chemist is pretty null for obvious reasons, and Nymph is town to me. Hectic was a def town read but I haven't liked his recent posts so I guess he's a possibility but if his posts improve I'mma say take him off the chopping block. Some of your posts have pinged me, will have to ISO you to fish out specifics if you want em, but nothing has made me super confident that lynching you would hit scum so you're lower on the list of priority for D1, think that covers it? If there was anything I missed I'm sure one you all will let me know

[Locke113]

why does everyone always think I have repressed urges toward arson

Doesn't everyone?

[Locke113]

Sorry if I'm being quiet peeps, have guests over for most of the week so struggling to get free time for this

Actually, kind of think we should keep MariaR around.

Interesting I've been unsure how to read her tbh, would you mind elaborating?

Why have people gone from "chemist is impossible to meta-read" to "chemist is always in his scum meta"

sorry
am busy till Friday
will catchup and give my thoughts then
know there's been quite a bit of cafuffling around

I think this means if theres no extension we get no more Hectic for the rest of the day

Elements is sure as hell not scum right now. If we are lynching him for his play, then Chemist should go first.

This is a bad play and Im not having any of it.

I have to wait for hectic to answer me as its going to reveal one scum for sure.

How so sure Elements isn't scum? Also can't elaborate on why but I'mma suggest giving Chemist D2 to try to improve his play

I think the scum team is pops and hectic

Interesting, what makes you feel these two are scum partners?

[Locke113]

You know, I'm starting to get the crazy idea that none of you people like my quote walls. Probably just my imagination

I scumread Elements like this before, he was town. I dont plan on making the same mistake twice.

This isn't a particularly strong basis for a read, but seems genuine at the same time

Hey pops, I don't think MariaR is scum or has a <rand chance of being scum as of now.

VOTE: Layer

Would like to vote pair after.

What's convinced you that Maria isn't scum?

Elements and Chemist won't hammer themselves, so the only people who might hammer are Hectic and Locke.

It bothers me that I can't remember enough about Locke in all the walls to know whether to expect him to hammer this. I can't remember Locke doing anything this game besides sometimes showing up and going "but really though?" when I try to build a townbloc.

Whatever between Hectic or Locke wouldn't be bussing will probably hammer this I guess.

I'm pretty sure I've mentioned that I was up for an Elements lynch and the only reason I would want to see Chemist D2 is for curiosity's sake so not sure why you find it so hard to tell whether or not I'm willing to hammer this.
VOTE: Layer