Micro 891 - Death List (Game Over)

[Azuresky]

Hey

[Azuresky]

Uhhh....

VOTE: REVERSE i guess

Hey your avi looks like Mikan so I like you.

Dont know what that has to do with the game.

[Azuresky]

Hey

Hey

Why do you think Nymph asked me for examples of Hectic:s behavior, Azure Sky?

Because you said Hectic has a history of weird gimmicks in #26

[Azuresky]

From another game:

Now that I know hes town, I really wonder whats up with his shitty attitude?

Hectic plays every game with some form of gimmick. If you look through his games it'll be easy to spot. I asked him about this one and apparently he's found it's good at getting people to interact with you.

This is what he does. You are aware of it, you brought it up, and nymph wanted to see if this was something that comes up.

The best thing we should do is ignore it for now. Hectic will be easy to read later.

[Azuresky]

For The record, as long as Im alive, I will try to provide everyone with what the action will lead to help with scumhunting. If you want to know how to lynch someone, I will let you know:

For Now: 3 Shuffles Remaining

REVERSE - Hectic
HALF - Popsofctown
PAIR - MariaR
LAYER - Locke113
SKIP (ENDS THE DAY) - Hectic
UNDO (COSTS ONE SHUFFLE, DOES NOT END DAY) - Hectic

(Please let me know if there are any mistakes)

[Azuresky]

For The record, as long as Im alive, I will try to provide everyone with what the action will lead to help with scumhunting. If you want to know how to lynch someone, I will let you know:

For Now: 3 Shuffles Remaining

REVERSE - Locke113
HALF - Popsofctown
PAIR - MariaR
LAYER - Locke113
SKIP (ENDS THE DAY) - Hectic
UNDO (COSTS ONE SHUFFLE, DOES NOT END DAY) - Hectic

(Please let me know if there are any mistakes)

Corrected

[Azuresky]

Hey pops, whats your interest with the alt anyways?

[Azuresky]

To be fair the only person that can die right now is hectic. But your point is noted.

#33 seems NAI imo. I also am not sure of what to do right now myself, but SKIP should be seen as Anti-town unless you believe Hectic is scum.

P-Edit: Oh boy, I need Elements in here, I need him to help me break this game

[Azuresky]

Nah I dont need elements to play my game, but I admit Im not really sure what I should be doing right now for my vote at the moment.

Call it scummy, but I think Imma try to be more passive and laid-back this game. I usually get too aggressive for this site so Im going to wait and see, associate with people, and then vote.

[Azuresky]

Pops, quick question:

What alignment do you like more, scum or town?

[Azuresky]

Ok, I'm going to leave a big post here for awhile as I plan on being busy tomorrow:

Give me Maria for town at this point, I'm usually a sucker for posts like #11, as most of the time this is a genuine statement.

Quickly looking at Hectics #12, I found the words,

Wind Tracker May Ruined Wrong Byes

take that as you will, its probably nothing, as there are no PRs in this game.

Hectic #15 ("You Believe Scum are Less Likely to put themselves at the top of the list") - Hectic could be scum for this. The WIFOM play is ballsy and something I can respect. Nymph v Hectic looks to be TvS if you ask me.

Pops is probably town, but I do have a tiny tiny tiny reason to believe she is scum, but I do not feel like outing my reason as it is reaching (and somewhat a gut feeling) and I tr pops enough for now to ignore it.


In Summary, I personally would like to think as of right now: Hectic/Nymph and someone who hasn't talked much yet (Dong/Elements/Dunn/Locke). I would vote SKIP right now, but I want to hear from those 4 before I make any more assumptions. I think this should provide yall some talking points to work with.

Other Notes:

I have a really really tiny town read on Dunn and Hectics.

VOTE: HALF

Dunn hasn't posted yet up to that post. Fake reads?

[Azuresky]

so youre not buying in to wifom?

I can see hectic doing it, never played with dunn, have you? Think dunn would wifom?

[Azuresky]

Uhhh....

VOTE: REVERSE i guess

Hey your avi looks like Mikan so I like you.

Dont know what that has to do with the game.

It is mikan, but i stole it from junkochan, so i guess you should like her instead?

Spoiler:

Blessed be the Ultimate Despair

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Alright, reading the setup it seems to me like normal lynching but with extra steps. Why cant scum kill? And is there a point where we might end up not be able to lynch someone at all?

At the end of every phase, the top-listed player will die.

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Pops is probably town, but I do have a tiny tiny tiny reason to believe she is scum, but I do not feel like outing my reason as it is reaching (and somewhat a gut feeling) and I tr pops enough for now to ignore it.

I can't think of a protown reason not to out it.

If you feel that the reason is invalid at its core, there are six townies that can show you so in a collaborative process.
If it's truly valid at its deepest core then scum!pops would possibly NK you n1 or n2 as one of the players with a reservation against you she could never address, or maybe I guess she leaves you alive until LyLo where there is only 1 other townie to figure out whether your idea is dumb or smart and talk it out with you. But like, I don't see how it helps you to hide it.

Just like I gave a slight townread to Maria for #11, I kinda could see your #6 coming from a scum perspective since you arent too much of a fan of playing it.

Its reaching and an RVS read, but its there. I think your play otherwise suggests that you are town imo.

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In regards to weather the mafia would put themselves at the top or bottom of the list - I think there's so much wifom there it's pointless speculating especially given we can get anyone to the top of the list.

Elements, baby. I need your advice.

What is your read on Hectic? What alignment do you see Hectic giving that number? Is Hectic a fan of WIFOM Gambits as either alignment?

And if you scumread him, are you interesting in skipping now or shuffling?

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To be fair the only person that can die right now is hectic. But your point is noted.

#33 seems NAI imo. I also am not sure of what to do right now myself, but SKIP should be seen as Anti-town unless you believe Hectic is scum.

P-Edit: Oh boy, I need Elements in here, I need him to help me break this game

basically RVS there
why not vote something random?
how is this different?

I feel the vote to shuffle is much more important than a regular lynch because doing shuffling can make people immune for the day on an accidental hammer. I want to be really sure of the plan before we do something, ESPECIALLY if we skip.

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I'd rather not have my main outed.

VOTE: Layer

I'll entertain this. I feel like MariaR has some weird interaction with Hectic.

@MariaR: What do you think about Hectic?

I see your point. Hectic was kind of put up a topic at the top of the queue, in a way.

Asking for details instead of opinions seems like they're up to a scheme, and I'm afraid of schemes.

VOTE: Layer

Locke hasn't posted yet
why vote him?

This isn't confirmed that they are scumreading Locke though. They could, but they could be working on lining up someone else for the lynch with the other shuffles.

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Now that we know how to lynch anyone here, can we please start playing this normally instead of sprinkling crumbs like a pigeon and setup speccing?

Should I townread this? I feel like I should but my gut says no.

I mean, thats why Im not voting just yet, because theres alot to go with involving shuffles.

[Azuresky]

So Zetta slow

[Azuresky]

Nymph, where on Earth did you go?

#11 was her first post right? curious what you like about the post, beyond the fact that its very entertaining?

Curious could you elaborate on what makes Hectic v Nymph look TvS to you?

As I said before in the quote, I usually find rvs posts like "im town again" or "thank god im not scum" to be genuine. This isn't always true obviously, but I tend to believe it.

Curious could you elaborate on what makes Hectic v Nymph look TvS to you?

Just how I see their posts in relation to each other. Just a feeling imo.

This seems like red PM behavior. You're not participating in RVS even though you claim you want it to happen for an ostensible protown reason.

Then your joke vote doesn't even match your policy, like.. you start this post encouraging everyone to ignore setup spec and progress to dayplay, then skip some dayplay to make a comment about how the setup mechanics impact the game. The dissonance makes me think you're thinking "town!dongempire would be frustrated by setup spec so I will state that he is" and then your actions are demonstrating "scum!dongempire doesn't mind the setup spec and it's a great opportunity for memes".

Azuresky, is there a shuffle option that lets me vote here?

Per Hectic, HALF > LAYER > SKIP

You got a point here, especially going back into ISO:

The first 3 pages are rolepaying and setup spec, damn.

Alright, reading the setup it seems to me like normal lynching but with extra steps. Why cant scum kill? And is there a point where we might end up not be able to lynch someone at all?

So the scum kill is registered by manipulating the list so the top player dies again? In tjat case, can scum kill themselves forcibly?

Kinda Hypocritical, no? He contributed to it.

What does this mean?

Spoiler:

3.1415926535897932384626433832795028841971693993751
058209749445923078164062862089986280348253421170679821480865
1328230664709384460955058223172535940812848111745028410270193
8521105559644622948954930381964428810975665933446128475648233
7867831652712019091456485669234603486104543266482133936072602
4914127372458700660631558817488152092096282925409171536436789
2590360011330530548820466521384146951941511609433057270365759
59195309218611738193261179310511854807446237996274956735188575
27248912279381830119491298336733624406566430860213949463952247
37190702179860943702770539217176293176752384674818467669405132

Shoot: Pops

Its just a comment on Locke's Avi. Nothing relevant.

[Azuresky]

GiF give me a votecount please.

[Azuresky]

I can't wagon you in a literal sense, you're literally unlynchable today.

???????

Alright looks like im getting a lot of flak, thats a good sign.

I'm not scum, but im not going to defend myself. I could, but im liking where its taking everyone.

Please expand more on why my posts suck, i'll focus on some other stuff.

???????????????????????

[Azuresky]

I'm fine with this move for now.

VOTE: Skip

[Azuresky]

I can't wagon you in a literal sense, you're literally unlynchable today.

There's no list transformation that immediately kills Dongempire

Theres no list transformation that immediately kills anyone besides hectic (SKIP).

You can still wagon Dong by doing x and x. (Im not home, idk what it is but you get my point).

@Dong: Its a new setup I believe, Of course there is going to be alot of setup spec to start imo.

[Azuresky]

I believe Hectic is scum.

The notion for hectic is that theres a pretty good chance hectic believes there will be atleast one shuffle, which allows him to gambit with a huge number for townpoints because “town wouldnt do that,” hectics number ENSURES hes the top, which is why I find this a gambit for townpoints.

He wants to be the top of the list, then I say we grant him his wish.

[Azuresky]

I believe Hectic is scum.

The notion for hectic is that theres a pretty good chance hectic believes there will be atleast one shuffle, which allows him to gambit with a huge number for townpoints because “

scum

wouldnt do that,” hectics number ENSURES hes the top, which is why I find this a gambit for townpoints.

He wants to be the top of the list, then I say we grant him his wish.

Corrected.

[Azuresky]

@Dong: Its a new setup I believe, Of course there is going to be alot of setup spec to start imo.

Well i want to play the game yet i dont want to waste time on learning essentially the same lynching. Hecric already said everything necessary, why are we still on this? We're just wasting time, its page 6 and no one has reads

I got reads, people are scumreading you so they got reads,

What are your reads?

[Azuresky]

OH YOU CAN DO MORE THAN 1 SHUFFLE PER DAY

do you understand now?

not yet, please repeat it in axolotl

We can always undo it if we still want to lynch hectic, it will make people view others at the top of the list and maybe get discussions on them. It opens up more opportunity for other lynches then if we all just decided to sit around and skip later.

Unless you want to vote PAIR, I have an issue with putting up anyone else from another option.

How about we put some pressure on Hectic.

[Azuresky]

Might go look into Pops posts, maybe not.

@Maria

R

- I come from the Matsina school of being town, where you base reads off tiny gut feeling, then work to make it more concrete. Im a shitty townplayer so I work based on her style. To answer your question, I usually find those statements to be pretty truthful. The kind that are subtle and not obnoxious “IM TOWN BITCHES” (Hectic’s post where he claims dayvig is an example of bad posting).

I mean, if you are telling me that your #11 is a lie, we can lynch you if you like.

@All: Im motioning for a skip to end the day, lynch hectic, and get scum to move dunn or kill him since I dont have a read on him. Im not looking to see who is immune in the scenario because I dont want to have a stroke.

[Azuresky]

VOTE: Pair

This would leave Lock out right? Then reverse killing Lock/Azure. I think I'm fine with that right now

Im Conductor, Locke is GM.

*Math Pun*

Attempting to lynch us results in your erasure.

This is fluff dont read into it

[Azuresky]

Well have fun with this then, cause im not gonna burn myself out at school just to come back to this

Boooooooooooooo.


I think there is way too much night spec and setting up for me here. Honestly Id wait a day or so before setting up the list to protect people.

Locke, you say my reasoning is wifomy, I think is pretty obvious that this is a ploy for townpoints as its pretty certain that atleast 1 shuffle will happen, keeping Hectic off the table for the day. He wants the top, he can have it. Vote skip, let mafia decide on Dunn.

[Azuresky]

Hectic scumslipped boys.

He DID NOT GET a town PM.

Ill leave you in suspense until I get back from work. Maybe yall can find it.

[Azuresky]

oh i see
just being called Town like that does suggest no PRs
you got me Azure
you're like the king
and i'm just a bishop
no not even that
just a pawn
but little do you know
that i'm getting to the other side soon
and will be a queen

PLOT TWIST: I got time.

Yeah Hectic didnt get a Town PM and he wasnt aware GiF has example PMs. Hence why he wasnt aware this is mountainous. If you had a town PM this was obvious.

Checkmate.

[Azuresky]

Back to work. Ttyl

[Azuresky]

7

(More coming later)

[Azuresky]

lul but the mafia get example town PMs sent to them
hence the if you're mafia real PM sent later part (paraphrasing)
so point is moot
unlucky

I think you forgot about that yourself. I think you forgot about the fake town pm since you got another one afterwards.

You didnt know this was vanilla. You fakeclaimed dayvig, which I assumed was a joke, but you said you were shocked to see people ignore it. You thought there was prs for town, which can exists in games with 2 mafia (goons).

You are scum, you are gambiting for the top spot, you forgot the setup, hence why you were setting up crumbs for later to pile on towncred with the fact you wanted the top spot, because you know that people wont immediately skip. You would be safe for a bit, its a smart plan.

Problem is, its a plan I would do myself as scum, so I can see the motivation for this as a scumplay.

[Azuresky]

I perfectly happy for hectics to die. Hectic on the other hand I'm not so sure about.

Agreed.
Hectics has been impersonating me for far too long now. It's time we delivered him some justice.
Only fitting if I'm the one to do it.

VOTE: Undo

This will return me to the micro queue. Then I can join Baezu's game.

Don't do it. Hectics is likely to sub in and sabotage the game's integrity.

I have a really really tiny town read on Dunn and Hectics.

VOTE: HALF

You believe scum are less likely to put themselves at the top of the list?

VOTE: SKIP

Some reasoning would be appreciated.

1) You say [HALF] splits the list bigger/smaller for odd numbers, but it seems to be split smaller/bigger in your example, am I misunderstanding?
2) In the case of an odd list, does [PAIR] ignore the middle number?
3) In the case of an odd list, does [LAYER] ignore the middle number?

1) I could've sworn I fixed it but it wasn't. Fixed.
2, 3) Yes.

Much appreciated.

I cant edit this, so go along with me:

Bottom of #15: Feigning innocence.

Top of #18: I do see Hectic getting defensive from this, cause again, it should be common sense to everyone that town will shuffle once, right? How boring would it be to SKIP right away? Right Hectic? Do I have it right?

[Azuresky]

Well have fun with this then, cause im not gonna burn myself out at school just to come back to this

Boooooooooooooo.


I think there is way too much night spec and setting up for me here. Honestly Id wait a day or so before setting up the list to protect people.

Locke, you say my reasoning is wifomy, I think is pretty obvious that this is a ploy for townpoints as its pretty certain that atleast 1 shuffle will happen, keeping Hectic off the table for the day. He wants the top, he can have it. Vote skip, let mafia decide on Dunn.

I mean you say its pretty obvious but there is no reason to automatically assume that there is that much thought put into anyone's picked number, otherwise you can easily start to scumread anyone for any number-related reasoning. Like for example I must be scum because I picked one which means I must have been scared to be anywhere near the top. Its just wild speculation, and honestly this is really starting to feel like you're tunneling

Hectic scumslipped boys.

He DID NOT GET a town PM.

Ill leave you in suspense until I get back from work. Maybe yall can find it.

seriously this just proves my point that you're tunneling, you're grasping at straws here. If you were playing another game rn I could understand this and pass it off, you aren't

lul but the mafia get example town PMs sent to them
hence the if you're mafia real PM sent later part (paraphrasing)
so point is moot
unlucky

though her confusion about this does make her more townie
the fact she's forgotten about that section of the PM makes her far less likely to be mafia

hmmm
might have to kick her out of my FoS

What makes you so quick to believe shes geuninely confused?

This is all bullshit.

You wanna say its Null for number speculation, which is fine when you have generic numbers like 4 and 6 and 12, but Hectics number is different. He WANTED the top, a number like 9x10^999 is so over the top its balatant.

Do you really believe Hectics number is NaI? Your defense of the man to call this tunneling is noted.

[Azuresky]

Other news, Pops still town, Maria town, but Im not a fan of what she said about me TRing her at the start. Locke is ok for now.

Elements spoke about his survivability in an earlier post, I used to read that as town, but its such a noobtell that I cant see it as that anymore. Elements did tell me in our last game he isnt a fan of D1s and plays better after d1 which is true.

Dong’s apathy bothers me. Dunn needs to talk more. Nymph’s change in activity is suspisious.

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P-Edit: LOL.

Hectic you tell me? The town PM states its obviously there are obviously vanilla only. Town shouldnt forget their role, scum can forget their fakeclaims, becuase its a FAKE claim.

No I dont think this would come up in the scum PT unless you were discussing that you were going to do your thing, which I highly doubt you were going to. Again, YOU said you forgot its mountainous, people with town PMs knew it was mountainous, YOU messed up and forgot about the Town PMs cause you got a mafia PM afterwards.

But you know what, lets cut the bullshit:

Why did you claim the top spot.

[Azuresky]

also you didn't address my point about how that wouldn't come up in the scum PT
you think my scum buddy wouldn't inform me it was mountainous when discussing fakeclaiming and me settling on VT?

I think its a silly claim that:

A: No one was taking seriously anyways, regardless of setup (You also claimed vig in our last game bro, its your thing, we get it)
B: You probably wouldn't have brought up in the scum PT because its a dumb claim

plus am in 6 games right now
perfectly reasonable that i'd forget this game was mountainous

though i didn't forget
just didn't realise from the role PM

What?

[Azuresky]

Hectic I dont buy you did it for the lulz.

Theres always a method to your chaos

[Azuresky]

how about crumbing VT?
would i not discuss with my scummate before doing that?
would my scummate not remind me the game isn't mountainous

Im guessing you're talking about your big chart? regardless, lol @crumbing vt

Idk, would you? Id guess no.

Probably? Maybe its Dong who dont give a fuck, Maybe its Dunn who doesn't know? Maybe... Its me and this is a scummy-nominated bus?

[Azuresky]

I think Hectic picked a high number because he's Hectic

Another reason why I think Hectic is scum.

People will buy into the Hectics style of play which gives him townpoints.

Its genius.

[Azuresky]

I think Hectic picked a high number because he's Hectic

Another reason why I think Hectic is scum.

People will buy into the Hectics style of play which gives him townpoints.

Its genius.

lul
should give NAI points
since people expect me to do it regardless of alignment

Problem is, I see you more likely to do it as scum, mate.

I don't think I'm the person to pick for "guy who doesn't know the setup"

Can you do something more than 1-liners?

[Azuresky]

Can you do something more than 1-liners?

Yeah, as evident in thread

K, whos scum?

[Azuresky]

I have a headache tonight and it was my mother's birthday so there may be lapses to my thinking which I will correct tomorrow if need be.

Prior to this, whats the deal with the lull in your activity, it seems to have dropped after the first irl day.

[Azuresky]

[quote=“nymph”]Locke brings a good points on Elements. If Elements is town, why does he care so much about being night killed?[/quote]

Elements has a survivabilty complex. Hes mentioned it before in other games, namely the last game we played together.

[Azuresky]

Chemist1422 replaces Dongempire

Wtf?

[Azuresky]

Elements is a townlean on tone and useful content
though most of it setup related so far

Im kind of shocked you dont have a stronger read on Elements at this point. With you 2’s expierence with each other I figured yall would have each other figured out.

[Azuresky]

I went back to ISO Locke and Hectic together cause I thought there was something odd from yesterday.

While not as bad as I thought it was, I think its kinda odd that Hectic accuses me of “tunneling” after Locke brings it up first. From Hectics ISO, he does say Im basing my scumread on him way too much on his number, but doesnt call it tunneling until brought up fron Locke. Theres also some werid associations (Buddying)from Locke when talking about Hectic (its fluff, but still)

Theres also a load of Hectic AtE here, which Im not a fan of.

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I know activity is NaI, but I see Dongs replace out as a towntell, he was obviously apathetic. I feel given the gamestate, he could have stayed in as mafia and flake around, but then he was getting pointed out for is hypocracy, so idk.

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I guess Dunn did do stuff. Oh. Still want some reads from him.

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We need MaRia to come back, same for Nymph.

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I still read Pops as an innocent soul. I dont like the buddying from her, but maybe cause Im not used to people townreading me this early. The confusion over 1 vs 3 shuffles seems like a town miscue, no?

[Azuresky]

I think Dunns is town.

Cool.

Thoughts on Hectic

[Azuresky]

I feel like there has been too much talk and not enough action at this point.

If you feel like playing the setup game and setting up shuffles to work in towns favor, go right on ahead and start voting. The people that want to do that need to start making ideas and plans to go through.

My vote still stands. Everyone should be able to look at reactions from me/hectic/elements/pops/locke. Theres stuff to work with in there. If the activity wasnt so low Id argue the hesitation on wagoning SKIP makes it town-oriented. I have no plans of messing with the list at this point.

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@mRaRrRiRaR: if youre scumreading half this list youre trying too hard.
@Pops: voting skip out of emotion looks bad.
@Nymph: wouldnt scum be more content to sit back than to actually play the game? Dong could have stayed in and twiddled his thumbs. Its a nulltell anyways since he was getting looked at for his hypocrisy.

[Azuresky]

Honestly manipulating the list is more something Id like to work on tomorrow when we have some flips.

[Azuresky]

So my school wifi is being completely horrible

Be back in ~1 hour

2 hours later.

So my school wifi is being completely horrible

Be back in ~1 hour

If you ask everyone nicely and say please, they will get off the Wi-Fi for ten minutes.
If you set everyone on fire they will get off the Wi-Fi for the rest of their lives.
Teehee

why does everyone always think I have repressed urges toward arson

I miss Dong.

[Azuresky]

I'm going to have to disentegrate you for the integrity of my azuresky townblock, but I see enough on that list for you to vote for half pair half, yeah? Come play with a frenemy. We'll never decide what game we want to play if we don't try some first.

Actually I have some breaking developments in this game. I just caught it.

If Hectic is town, we are going to find out very very soon.

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Hectic, you get 1 post. No bullshit, no gimmicks, all seriousness.

If you are honestly town, then someone should be pinging your scumdar right now. Its not me. Look carefully at the last few pages, take a deep breath, and tell me who is mafia.

[Azuresky]

Ok so RariaM has a profile pic of the love of my life so youre not lynching her today. Or ever. We must protect that beautiful smile.

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Anyways... still waiting on Hectic. This site is being shit right now. Those that arent voting skip not named pops arent discussing their shuffle plans. Do so.

[Azuresky]

hi

hi

oh no
since you are probably a novice
should tell you that half of newbie scum enter with "Hi" of some sort
might not be too late to ask mod to edit your post

Chemist needs to actually attempt to find scum or else we're lynching him. town!Chemist is sincere to actually trying to find scum. I generally don't trust when people replace out after playing really badly.

I'm pretty sure I've never played with you so how do you know my meta?

Hey Elements

What are you doing with the numbers

oh god the colors

I’m in school so I have some time to catch up

So my school wifi is being completely horrible

Be back in ~1 hour

So my school wifi is being completely horrible

Be back in ~1 hour

If you ask everyone nicely and say please, they will get off the Wi-Fi for ten minutes.
If you set everyone on fire they will get off the Wi-Fi for the rest of their lives.
Teehee

why does everyone always think I have repressed urges toward arson

So my school wifi is being completely horrible

Be back in ~1 hour

2 hours later.

So my school wifi is being completely horrible

Be back in ~1 hour

If you ask everyone nicely and say please, they will get off the Wi-Fi for ten minutes.
If you set everyone on fire they will get off the Wi-Fi for the rest of their lives.
Teehee

why does everyone always think I have repressed urges toward arson

I miss Dong.

ok look I am a busy human being and also a dumb one who didn't realize it was a site issue and not my wifi

Why have people gone from "chemist is impossible to meta-read" to "chemist is always in his scum meta"

Enough.

Do something

[Azuresky]

and what if I don't

that's a serious question btw

This isn't townie.

it was an ATTEMPT to stall so I could get some time to read back but fine

You’ve been playing this game for a few days now whats the holdup?

blah blah not that you care

Aww she even roleplays like Natsuki. <3

[Azuresky]

Elements is sure as hell not scum right now. If we are lynching him for his play, then Chemist should go first.

This is a bad play and Im not having any of it.

I have to wait for hectic to answer me as its going to reveal one scum for sure.

[Azuresky]

Also Annie is fucking garbage

[Azuresky]

I give up on yall. Have fun.

VOTE: undo

@Locke: Elements is town because this is exactly how he played last game with me. He doesnt do shit day 1, it led to his mislynch last time as well. This is not worth my time.

[Azuresky]

Also Pops isnt scum lol.

Misguided town. R and Nymph’s votes are scummy, at this point it seems like they are fine with letting the game go this way without having a concrete reason for doing so. Active Lurking if you ask me. Also m*R**R’s “catchup” was boring.

Moving to lynch Elements is headed by town, on town, and scum are just ok to let it go.

Give me a break.

@Elements: Fucking Stop

[Azuresky]

VOTE: pair

Listen to me, stop “selfing.” im not letting you do this shit.

I know you hate being D1’d, but I need your help. Stop OMGUSing Pops too. Theres mafia outside of Pops, who do you think it is?

[Azuresky]

I need Hectic to answer my question, as Im pretty sure at this point I have someone pinned as scum.

I just need to hold out til Friday, and we’ll have something to go on that isnt setup-related

[Azuresky]

If we went Layer->Skip I wouldn't cry about it.

Everything you’ve said recently is wrong or not good for town, I assure you.

Do you really like how easy its been recently to get people to side with you on Elements?

[Azuresky]

I scumread Elements like this before, he was town. I dont plan on making the same mistake twice.

[Azuresky]

I still think Hectic is scum. Are you not of that opinion azure?

Im pretty sure he is, that hasnt changed.

However, I have noticed something that, if he sees it too, would make him town.

Everyone else is too busy not paying attention or worrying about smaller matters to notice it.

[Azuresky]

Azure is like actually trying to sort Hectic instead of stating a conclusion and writing a fanfic about it after
just like all game

how are there 3+ mafia in this game feigning an inability to get the free azure sky tr

BECAUSE IF I OUT IT IM PRETTY SURE HECTIC WILL MEME HIS WAY OUT OF IT.

I know what I am doing here. Trust me.

[Azuresky]

Im done talking. Im going on Hiatus for this game until Friday. I need hectic’s answer to be organic and I should stop making any hints on what I am thinking.

If yall move to lynch, go right on ahead.

[Azuresky]

Hectic, in case it got buried, here is the question again: No Bullshit, no Character, No memes. Straight answer.

who do you scumread outside of me and why?

[Azuresky]

Oh theres a deadline.

[Azuresky]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

VOTE: undo

[Azuresky]

I plan on moving fast, so dont worry about me.

[Azuresky]

Elements and Chemist won't hammer themselves, so the only people who might hammer are Hectic and Locke.

Hectic and Azure, want to comment on this?

Elements was selfing prior to sheeping me you are aware of that pops right?

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Wtf is this poe shit chemist is doing?

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Guys I didnt realize there was a deadline in the game since GiFs VCs are trash.

[Azuresky]

Pops, layer is hammered, give me the updated list please

[Azuresky]

Hectic, in case it got buried, here is the question again: No Bullshit, no Character, No memes. Straight answer.

who do you scumread outside of me and why?

[Azuresky]

Pops votes dont count yet. Wait

Also thanks for the list and outcomes. What does half and layer do

[Azuresky]

Hectic why is locke scum

[Azuresky]

As in why do you townread him

[Azuresky]

Pair is dumb and so is undo.

Join me on half or skip. Lets force mafia to shuffle

[Azuresky]

Ok fuck it, Hectic is killing me here.

I believe Locke is scum. By Iso’ing Hectic and Locke theres alot of association there that makes me believe one of the two is scum. The biggest things that caught my eye:

Hectic accuses me of tunneling after Locke uses the word in the post before. Im on mobile right now so Ill cite my sources later. The biggest thing is how Hectic starts using it after Locke brings it up. I see it as Hectic getting defensive once again and using AtE to discredit my push on him.

The damning thing I was waiting on Hectic to answer was where Locke says “I believe Hectic is town, but if he doesnt shape up we should lynch him” this at first made me think Locke was coaching Hectic, but I dont think they would be that stupid. I was waiting to see if Hectic would comment on Lockes buddying and associations with Hectic throughout the day. I think Locke knows Hectic is town and is fencesitting for townpoints, hence the defense of the man by claiming Im tunneling.

I see that as a likelier outcome given the latter point, since theres alot of association mentioned in Lockes post about hectic. I think he knows Hectics alignment.

VOTE: Half

[Azuresky]

I feel like there has been too much talk and not enough action at this point.

If you feel like playing the setup game and setting up shuffles to work in towns favor, go right on ahead and start voting. The people that want to do that need to start making ideas and plans to go through.

My vote still stands. Everyone should be able to look at reactions from me/hectic/elements/pops/locke. Theres stuff to work with in there. If the activity wasnt so low Id argue the hesitation on wagoning SKIP makes it town-oriented. I have no plans of messing with the list at this point.

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@mRaRrRiRaR: if youre scumreading half this list youre trying too hard.
@Pops: voting skip out of emotion looks bad.
@Nymph: wouldnt scum be more content to sit back than to actually play the game? Dong could have stayed in and twiddled his thumbs. Its a nulltell anyways since he was getting looked at for his hypocrisy.

Honestly, I'm kinda feeling this post

Are you going to do any of the stuff she calls for or are you dongempire 2.0? I'm looking through the thread and trying to figure out how much support half pair half or half layer half might have and I'm realizing I don't know what you want, but you've posted an awful lot of not giving any sign.

You know, I'm pretty sure I forgot to respond to Maria asking for peeps to say what they wanted to do, so guess this is a two for one. can't say what the best sequence for any of these would be currently I'm down for {Elements, Azure, Hectic???, you???}, pretty undecided on Maria, gonna have to have a closer look at her posts, see if I can crack that tough exterior. Dunn is like a leantown for me, dong/chemist is pretty null for obvious reasons, and Nymph is town to me.

Hectic was a def town read but I haven't liked his recent posts so I guess he's a possibility but if his posts improve I'mma say take him off the chopping block.

Some of your posts have pinged me, will have to ISO you to fish out specifics if you want em, but nothing has made me super confident that lynching you would hit scum so you're lower on the list of priority for D1, think that covers it? If there was anything I missed I'm sure one you all will let me know

The quote in question is bolded.

Fencesitting or coaching, I believe Locke is scum.

[Azuresky]

Forgive me for what I must do but its all aboard the page by page catch-up train, choo choo!!!

Spoiler:

One	Two	The	For	Fiv	Six	Svn	Eht	Nin	Ten
A	X	O	L	O	T	L	V	@	I
W	I	N	D	Y	R	I	I	T	C
I	¥	A	O	£	U	A	G	O	O
T	R	A	C	K	E	R	P	F	N
U	¤	Y	T	I	V	A	C	L	S
M	A	Y	O	L	N	T	?	I	N
O	V	E	R	T	O	O	¶	N	A
U	D	R	A	W	O	W	R	G	G
R	U	I	N	E	D	N	O	E	E
W	R	O	N	G	ß	Y	E	S	V

I can already tell joining this game was a terrible terrible mistake

I have a really really tiny town read on Dunn and Hectics.

VOTE: HALF

You believe scum are less likely to put themselves at the top of the list?

I believe scum to be more careful and not careless.

Surely thats mostly down to playstyle, rather than alignment? I mean sure scum might be more careful than usual but a careless player will overall be careless no matter the alignment

VOTE: SKIP

Some reasoning would be appreciated.

Pretty sure 12 is pretty sketchy because this site does not allow cryptography/secret messages in their site rules. And 13 feels LAMIST especially with the fake claim. You do realize how stacked this lobby is right?

I'm curious what bearing the fact that the lobby is stacked has to do with the point you're making. Also how stacked is this lobby exactly?

sorry everyone
will get to this game tomorrow
will solve it for you because you're probably struggling
but maybe will give you some time first to let you have some fun

i see that attempt to buddy me Locke
and consider it done
you're locktown
anyone counterclaiming Elizabeth?

I just noticed this. Give me Hectic for town now.

[Azuresky]

Well have fun with this then, cause im not gonna burn myself out at school just to come back to this

Boooooooooooooo.


I think there is way too much night spec and setting up for me here. Honestly Id wait a day or so before setting up the list to protect people.

Locke, you say my reasoning is wifomy, I think is pretty obvious that this is a ploy for townpoints as its pretty certain that atleast 1 shuffle will happen, keeping Hectic off the table for the day. He wants the top, he can have it. Vote skip, let mafia decide on Dunn.

I mean you say its pretty obvious but there is no reason to automatically assume that there is that much thought put into anyone's picked number, otherwise you can easily start to scumread anyone for any number-related reasoning. Like for example I must be scum because I picked one which means I must have been scared to be anywhere near the top. Its just wild speculation, and honestly this is really starting to feel like you're tunneling

Hectic scumslipped boys.

He DID NOT GET a town PM.

Ill leave you in suspense until I get back from work. Maybe yall can find it.

seriously this just proves my point that you're tunneling, you're grasping at straws here. If you were playing another game rn I could understand this and pass it off, you aren't

lul but the mafia get example town PMs sent to them
hence the if you're mafia real PM sent later part (paraphrasing)
so point is moot
unlucky

though her confusion about this does make her more townie
the fact she's forgotten about that section of the PM makes her far less likely to be mafia

hmmm
might have to kick her out of my FoS

What makes you so quick to believe shes geuninely confused?

lul but the mafia get example town PMs sent to them
hence the if you're mafia real PM sent later part (paraphrasing)
so point is moot
unlucky

I think you forgot about that yourself. I think you forgot about the fake town pm since you got another one afterwards.

You didnt know this was vanilla. You fakeclaimed dayvig, which I assumed was a joke, but you said you were shocked to see people ignore it. You thought there was prs for town, which can exists in games with 2 mafia (goons).

You are scum, you are gambiting for the top spot, you forgot the setup, hence why you were setting up crumbs for later to pile on towncred with the fact you wanted the top spot, because you know that people wont immediately skip. You would be safe for a bit, its a smart plan.

Problem is, its a plan I would do myself as scum, so I can see the motivation for this as a scumplay.

huh
this tunnelling is weird
can barely see you in the dark in there
might have to confiscate your pickaxes
why is scum more likely to forget about the game being all vanilla?
both factions get the same town PM
and you think that kind of thing wouldn't come up in the scum PT?
about setup spec regarding the game being all vanilla?
really?

would go for the top spot regardless of alignment
that's NAI

I cant edit this, so go along with me:

Bottom of #15: Feigning innocence.

Top of #18: I do see Hectic getting defensive from this, cause again, it should be common sense to everyone that town will shuffle once, right? How boring would it be to SKIP right away? Right Hectic? Do I have it right?

lul
was asking about a naked vote because i was defensive?
come on Azure
i'll confiscate your shovel as well if you're not careful
you have a lot to learn

disagreed with the notion that scum wouldn't pick a high number
hence why was interested to hear Nymph's thoughts on it

[Azuresky]

Then vote skip and give me chemist.

[Azuresky]

Im not lynching elements.

Thanks to pops, im pretty sure mafia will use their shuffle to keep elements alive to leave an easy D2 mislynch.

If mafia kills pops, meh, Locke wont die, and R is worth it. Im not playing the speculation game N1.

[Azuresky]

Honestly, Maria will probably die if we skip.

Pops is misguided town, mafia will leave her and Elements alive for d2 shenanigans.

Half or skip for me.

[Azuresky]

VOTE: skip

[Azuresky]

Im fine with this. Still not liking how the first shuffle went, I think R is still active participating and I feel like scum are just letting us do this.

Thoughts on Locke?

[Azuresky]

Active Lurking*

[Azuresky]

Pair or Skip is fine with me.

Well those are the opposing wagons so please be specific and pick one?

[Azuresky]

Well yeah, but one is possibly getting away so who do want to see offed for sure, Axoloto or science?

[Azuresky]

N_M, my old friend, is mafia.

Its a shame I don't remember his play because there was a decent difference in his scum and town play back in the day.

Hectic, Maria, and Dunn should talk, but I'm suggesting to put N_M up today.

[Azuresky]

Hectic/N_M and MafiaR. I'll go back to confirm that later.

[Azuresky]

Hey MariaR and pops, question for both of you. Who in this player base seems like they're really hard following an agenda right now and why?

Lol.

I mean if you want me to put my thumb in my ass and let pops just run the day AGAIN, sure.

Stop being cryptic, come out and say “Azure is setting up lynches and I dont think its town”. Im still not happy with how the wagon went during the first shuffle and based on your “lets compromise on this, because I can get people to vote against you otherwise,” from the last vote, Id really argue the Night Kill incriminates you. You probably think you can get NatsukiR and Pops to vote with you, hence why Elements was offed

Tread very carefully.

Disappointed but not surprised. Let me think on this a bit.

4 slots 50/50 chance.
I should look at pairs.

Im content with finding a mafia right now, thank you very much. Looking for mafia by pairs seems reckless imo.

[Azuresky]

I dont know who else has an agenda.

[Azuresky]

Ok why is my stance werid

[Azuresky]

Ok if I have to deal with this level of posting from ActivelurkeR and Dunn, AND put up with N_M tonight im killing myself.

Nymph, I dont trust you, but im willing to let you hang in the town pile because youre atleast playing the game. OneLineR and N_M need to be sorted today. Dunn should be the NK. Im going to look into that tomorrow but I need Hectic to get back into this game.

I dont intend to listen to anything N_M has to say.

[Azuresky]

GIF: Can you undo at the start of the next phase? For example could mafia undo the last action from the previous day or town undo mafias shuffle from the last night

[Azuresky]

Really quick, Half/Half/Skip is a compromise. That lynches Dunn, and leaves for the NK Hectic (if they skip), NM (Pair), Me (Half), or NightkillR (Layer)

Half/Layer/Skip is my choice right now, it gets N_M, and leaves Hectic (Skip), Dunn (Pair), Pops (Half), or Nymph (Layer).

(UPDATE: Im aware that this is going to be a tough one to get Pops on, since she townreads nymph, but Im not seeing any other way to get N_M)

Pair/Half/Half is another good one, it lynches deadR, and leaves NM (Skip), Hectic (Pair), Nymph (Half), and Dunn (Reverse)

These lynch a potential suspect, and leaves atleast one person who is somewhat townread by others on the chopping block (in this case, Me/Nymph/Pops). There are 2 immune spots available tonight.

[Azuresky]

No, because the list would be shorter

In Pair for when you have an odd number, is the bottom player not moving?

[Azuresky]

I'm not refusing to work with you

I don't have much to say about Nymph other than that they looked like town to me, probably because they are indeed "playing the game" as mentioned

Yes

We should again be thinking about who the mafia can kill at night - going for n_m today is mechanically bad because it does not end in a "skip" which allows us to limit what mafia can do by denying "undo".

No

@Pops: The NK is wifom. Im shocked that elements wasnt shuffled for this reason. Its not a guarentee that the top person at night is mafia if they shuffle. Also:

Ok my my mom called so my eyes went up to "I dont intend to listen to anything N_M hast to say" and like, isn't that kind of a scummy thing to say, like even if N_M's ideas are bad it's like she's trying to shield herself from having to do interactions that are alignment indicative. Azure please come home I miss you you keep doing these things that strain my heart and I want to townread you again.

Im not listening to NM because Im pretty sure the slot is mafia because of Locke.

I also cant confirm thise because I havent played with him in forever, but hes very slimey. ESPECIALLY as scum. I THINK hes pretty fluffy as town.

[Azuresky]

Going by just NKA and todays play, my god does it incriminate Nymph.

If you see it from my egotistical point of view, elements should have been shuffled as he was going to get lynched today if he was shuffled because of said shuffle and his D1 play. Now I can think there are a few reasons why Elements was killed:

1. Mafia want to save their shuffle for later, to make sure mafia doesnt get killed at night, making me think its someone with suspison (Dunn/rrrrrrR)
2. To keep giving Pops control of the town, as someone in the mafia is pop’s TR (Locke/Nymph). Given how Hectic and I defended Elements yesterday, maybe mafia was worried that if I could get a townbloc going with Elements/Hectic, mafia would have to try harder. Given how Nymph was looking to raise suspision on me today to her townreads lolR and Pops, Im thinking 2 is the answer.

Nymph says “Why would I put myself at a disadvantage?” But is she? She knows pops is going to WK for her and knows that people are going to follow her so is Nymph really in trouble for making a statement.

A Nymph/NM scumteam autowins tomorrow with my lynch today since Nymph could sheep my previous read on Hectic and get Pops and Maria to lynch.

But hey, its all just NKA, right?

[Azuresky]

Thanks for proving my point pops.

Also thanks for ignoring everything else I said.

Whatever yall. My apathy for this game keeps gaining every second

[Azuresky]

My thoughts on the setup are in the scum PT

Azuresky was correct that not carrying the deadline into every VC is kind of below industry standard and was kind of irritating. I don't remember anything else about the modding being troubling, really, even though that one thing had some big impact.

Unanimous fastnight is much more playerfriendly than unilateral mafia fastnight, I wanted to skip forward but every time I just felt like, I can't actually do this, if I can lose any edge to the possibility 1 player would be more likely to fastnight than 1 other player I can't afford that.

Azuresky seemed very upset with the gamestate when she left and I was troubled by it. I think maybe believing I was town while simultaneously being uncooperative with her for reasons that stemmed from me being scum was very frustrating for her. I really hate to see an in-game-reason replace out. or less than everybody having fun (Locke I think was just not born with the

addiction

love for forum mafia the way I was, but AS was tied for most posts). I don't think she's still on-site but if she was I'd want to ask her what could have made things better. Obviously there's a possibility that she needed something irreconcilable with the game, there are people who give up the first game that they don't seem to have 3 proxy votes and mafia just must not be for them because you can't always have that but maybe it was she wanted less lurking or for me to be more polite somehow idk.

Im glad I left. And yeah, I have no issue saying I left for in-game reasons.

Town was willing to sheep pops to endgame, and there was nothing I could do about it since everyone didnt feel like playing. Fuck this game. The mod was borderline lazy as well, GiF youre better than this, bad play from everyone outside of Elements and Pops.

Personally, had Hectic not gone V/LA, town probably wins this game as I could have set up a townbloc with hectic and pushed harder for Locke’s lynch. Would we have gotten pops, i dont honestly know.

Nymph, play better, active lurker.
Maria, you suck.
Hectic, (((((
Dunn, your play is ass too.
Elements, work on your day 1 play PLEASE.

Finally, congrats on your win pops. Usually leaders of the game dont end up being mafia, so well played. I had Nymph for last scum.

[Azuresky]

For those who werent aware, I left because I was not going to sit back and let pops dictate what town does because Maria and Nymph were willing to sit back and sheep pops vote.

[Azuresky]

Nymph, play better, active lurker.
Maria, you suck.
Hectic, (((((
Dunn, your play is ass too.
Elements, work on your day 1 play PLEASE

Dont forget DDL, his play was complete garbage too

In hindsight, we should have looked at how pops treated you during the later days.