Rate the randomness hereIn post 17, AaronFrost wrote:Hello everyone.
So after mulling over the player list for hours and using my superb deduction skills, I've come to the conclusion that there is only one person on this list who I can conceivably accuse of being scum at this time.
VOTE: Saladman27
Why Salad you might ask? Well based off of his username, I can only conclude that he enjoys eating salads. Why is this an issue? Because you see, salads consist entirely of products made by plants, which means that this guy is a plant murderer! Do you know what plants do for us? They provide us with the oxygen that we need in order to live. So by eating and killing all these plants, Saladman here is attempting to kill us all by cutting off our oxygen supply.
Absolutely despicable.
I have no desire for teacher to claim unless he needs to, but I have 0 alignment reads so far, so I have no issue with hammering anyone here provided I think they are scum.In post 37, AaronFrost wrote:Why do you want teacher to claim? Do you intend on lynching him today?
So if I say "I have 0 alignment reads so far" and follow it up by saying "I have no issue with hammering anyone here provided I think they are scum", where in that did I say I wanted to hammer someone page 2, are you by chance Cathy Newman in disguise?In post 42, AaronFrost wrote:So you'd rather hammer someone on page 2 and somehow hope that produces reads instead of letting your reads develop as the game progresses and deciding on a better lynch that way?In post 38, Spartan117 wrote:I have no desire for teacher to claim unless he needs to, but I have 0 alignment reads so far, so I have no issue with hammering anyone here provided I think they are scum.In post 37, AaronFrost wrote:Why do you want teacher to claim? Do you intend on lynching him today?
Also your even though it was random, self-voting is usually seen as an anti-town move, even during RVS.
VOTE: Spartan117
Also to point out my use of the world "here" was probably not optimum, as I can see why it may sound like I'm referencing the page we are on while I was referencing the game we are in.In post 38, Spartan117 wrote:I have no desire for teacher to claim unless he needs to, but I have 0 alignment reads so far, so I have no issue with hammering anyone here provided I think they are scum.In post 37, AaronFrost wrote:Why do you want teacher to claim? Do you intend on lynching him today?
1. I wanted to get a reaction and I got 3, you're welcome.In post 46, Saladman27 wrote:1. Nowhere, but you opened up an opportunity for a lolhammer or your partner to hammer.In post 44, Spartan117 wrote: Where in that did I say I wanted to hammer someone page 2
Additionally please tell me what is anti-town about self voting during the RVS on the first page? What does it tell you about my alignment if anything?
2. In my last game, one player self voted in RVS and everyone jumped on that vote.
So yeah, it’s a really bad and scummy idea to L-1 this early, especially in a 9p game. VOTE: Spartan117
With SEs I feel with more game experience comes more thorough reads, as they will have seen situations in previous games to draw their experience from. I felt (like Dongempire stated in #57) that he was trying to push an agenda of me being scum for doing something anti town when I feel it is not alignment indicative. So not completely accurate pressure but pressure all the same which I welcome, and I see as a townie thing to do, because its much harder for scum to apply pressure and find reads when they know who is town and who is mafia.In post 52, AaronFrost wrote:I can agree with Salad's vote feeling opportunistic, but what exactly do you expect from him given his status as an SE.In post 48, Spartan117 wrote:Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?
What do you think about teacher's reaction?
I like this post, good push, but it could also be a good scum play to try and take charge and seem like you are being townie getting people to answer questions, but I find it interesting getting everyone to say how they play as town and scum, as it both gives opportunities to use that to read into how they play, given from that point on they will try and follow what they have stated is town as close as they can. It also gives opportunity for scum to make them townie plays as described by everyone so I don't really want to give scum too much direction as to how to be very townie.In post 64, teacher wrote:I’m hating the slowness of the game. I’ve got like 2 reads out of rand and we are a couple days in. Let’s try some getting to know you questions to hopefully start things off into the week. All slots kindly answer.
1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town
5. Time zone/standard posting times
That was an effort to try and prevent a lolhammer at least by newbtown.In post 36, Spartan117 wrote:Alright time to turn things up a notch in here VOTE: TeacherL-1If anyone has intent to hammer announce so that he has a chance to roll claim.
I'd worry if Chibiie is town that he could be impressionable and get pocketed by scum, although its very hard when you get strong feelings of someones townie behaviour, I've been pocketed in the past its very frustrating.In post 98, Chibiie wrote:2. I usually hide my role as town until I read at least one more Townie and then do my best to show myself to them only, creating a circle of trusted players to work around with... It does happen that sometimes I misread and add a scum in the circle, but 90% my Townie playstyle shines.
Can you please explain to me how having no issue hammering anyone here that I think is scum is a scummy thing to say? Sure as the game goes on and myself and I'd hope all of you get town reads of people we tend to be less likely to want to hammer/lynch them. if anything its NAI.In post 131, Chibiie wrote:With all said and done, I will currently VOTE: Spartan only because of #38 where he "has no issue with hammering anyone here provided he thinks they are scum."
Also could you explain to me your reasoning for why you unvoted salad as I cant seem to understand your reasoning here.In post 131, Chibiie wrote:Saladman started strong initiating the RVS and voting against teacher, but that's RVS and he voted teacher probably due to previous encounter in a different game, that's how it looks to me. (ofc, I needed more info which was later revealed, I couldn't assume this based on Salad's first post, so thank you for getting more in-depth with your discussion).
Short about Salad: I believe he had a pretty straight and logical play there, showing that they know each other, so they do have some kind of experience reading each other, therefore I UNVOTE: Salad
As this is something that had already been explained by multiple people at this point.In post 121, Merfin wrote:I don't like how he tried to tell people not to quickhammer someone, and then went on to almost get someone lynched so fast.
I think it would be OBVIOUS youd only hammer people you thought were scum,
and he really looks like a better person to vote than my random one
even more than the slightly scummy GeorgeBailey
GeorgemanBaileyman here in what I can only read as a post where he starts by telling everyone hes been lurking which is a slight wiff of alarm bells there but I could also see this being down to newish town who is still learning what is good and bad hence thinking that I hammered teacher when I put him to L-1 but it seems GeorgemanBaileymanIn post 82, GeorgeBailey wrote:I've been following this thread for the past few days but i'm not quite sure what to gather from anything.
Spartman seems the strangest since he hammered you and almost got you lynched.
in #92 I really liked Aarons push for more content following the drying up of activity after teachers questions, I felt this was quite the provocative question that has potential to catch scum out, although I could see it also catching out newbtown out dependent on their word usage. Wasn't a fan of saladmans response after this, its probably not AI but rather than taking that chance to put in some game advancing content, he used it to express a defeatist couple of posts about how he had been lynched in previous gamesIn post 92, AaronFrost wrote:Alright, since teacher's questions didn't really spark up activity levels too much, I'll throw in a question of my own and see where it gets us.
If you had to lynch somebody right now, who would it be and why?
I'd probably lynch Salad. Didn't like his quick unvote after voting Spartan and his vote on Spartan seemed very opportunistic to begin with.
Aaron since youve mentioned this what do you think of the potential of a Dong/Teacher partnership and their continuel discussion on the reaction?In post 123, AaronFrost wrote:Yeah distancing is a pretty common scum tactic but I think it's pretty unlikely that scum would be distancing from each other on Day 1, especially in a Newbie game.
I have to disagree with what Yoda says here I feel that putting pressure on to obtain a reaction and produce reads advancing game content is very townie imo.In post 96, Yodavader wrote:If I had to lynch someone right now, I would go after Spartan. I know that he was trying to get reactions but putting someone on the literal chopping block just for said reaction is not very townie.
This feels a bit too much of a reach for my liking of a scum read which could be scum scraping at the bottom of the barrel for some reads to put together, especially after at least I was anticipating some decent content from DongIn post 102, Donempire wrote:Alright, i gotta make do with what i already have here.
I dont like teachers response to getting wagoned. He posts about an hour later he is at l-1 and immediatly lashes out onto aaron for not unvoting even though he isnt on his wagon.Now i agree that this would be a bad post had he actually been on his wagon, and even though aaron wasnt i still have a bone to pick with it but the gist is this: teacher was panicking here.In post 39, teacher wrote:This is a terrible response to L-1 from somebody who is on my wagon.In post 37, AaronFrost wrote:Why do you want teacher to claim? Do you intend on lynching him today?
Now lolhammers are a common enough occurence on newbie games, enough to keep an eye out or even panic at times. However an experienced player like teacher, had he rolled town shouldnt have problem keeping calm at l-1. I feel like town!teacher here would have tried to explain the implications of a L-1 this early and panicked later. I believe that he also would have townread this at first glance.
Of course him disappearing right after that doesnt do him any favors either i dont think. Somethings wrong with his playstyle, yet i cant quite put my finger on it right now. I guess i'll have more substantial stuff later in the game.
Besides that im not liking saladmans activity. He seems to post a lot, yet almost all of them lack substance.
reiterates previous point similar to what Aaron expressed in #75 could be a search for content to jump on salads wagon not too sure yet.In post 103, Donempire wrote:Bad post.In post 47, Saladman27 wrote:Plus, no one claims on page 2.
If you actually saw what spartan was trying to do there it wasnt to get a claim, nor to lynch. It was to put enough pressure for both teachers and the people on his wagons activity to rise. Scumreading him on such a thin basis is in itself scummy.
Dont know if I cant find it but I dont see an explanation for this reason to take the pressure of me?In post 77, Saladman27 wrote:I voted him to avoid the lolhammer of teacher and now I unvoted for some bullshit reason...
I agree with yoda here. With a lynch whether it be town or scum thats lynched, you get to see the journey to it, giving you information on those who pushed it, those who didnt and stayed off, and everything in between.In post 155, Yodavader wrote:I have always gone with lynching, even if it's a mislynch. IMO, a no lynch doesn't give as much information as a mislynch.In post 152, Chibiie wrote:-snip-
I'mma be straight honest here, I'd rather be killed in Night 1 and have my death help Town track down the Mafia than have a mislynch D1.
-snip-
Where do you get 18% mislynch? at any town players perspective there are 6 other town and 2 mafia, would you not have a 6/8 chance for a mislynch which is 75%. Your whole argument against a lynch seems that if we get a mislynch not only do we lose a town that there is a chance we lose a power role, which is why we have people like myself say declare intent to hammer before you do so that they can claim their role so as to not lynch a power role, as if someone claims a power role they are either that role or scum so that gives us info there, obliviously I do not want the power roles to be known but I don't think avoiding a lynch just because there is a risk of lynching town is the way to go.In post 156, Chibiie wrote:In a 9 players situation, there's 18% chance of mislynching... It doesn't look a lot, but having no information, think about it this way: We mislynch, there's a chance of losing of a good detective role (tracker, cop, jailkeeper, yes jailer is a detective role since he can isolate players and have 1-on-1 anonymous conversation with them, he's also a big threat to scums and also a protector for Townies in special situations of high threat towards confirmed Townies, mislynching this role is the biggest Town loss).In post 155, Yodavader wrote:I have always gone with lynching, even if it's a mislynch. IMO, a no lynch doesn't give as much information as a mislynch.In post 152, Chibiie wrote:-snip-
I'mma be straight honest here, I'd rather be killed in Night 1 and have my death help Town track down the Mafia than have a mislynch D1.
-snip-
If we're part of A3 or C3, then losing on Town Mason is bad too, because there's already a 2/9 players that already know each other's alignments and can work together in solving this puzzle. A3 / C3 Masons have the Town majority and should be treated as important roles too, we must not mislynch these.
Think about it this way: You mislynch and lose the Doctor... Cop / Tracker, depending on the setup will suffer since he will not be able to bluntly put down his info in thread as he will be targeted next instantly...
Mislynching puts pressure on Town and good scums take advantage of this... Yoda, idk what to say man, but your reasoning don't feel very well-tought to me and if I may join the Town/Scum thingy, I would say I don't trust anyone, which is normal for this point in-game, but the bottom of my list ends with Yoda.
What is it that you disagree with, rather than just saying you completely disagree, tell me what of what I have said in particular you disagree with and why, i need more than just that you disagree, I need to see a well reasoned argumentIn post 159, Chibiie wrote:In post 158, Spartan117 wrote:I agree with yoda here. With a lynch whether it be town or scum thats lynched, you get to see the journey to it, giving you information on those who pushed it, those who didnt and stayed off, and everything in between.In post 155, Yodavader wrote:I have always gone with lynching, even if it's a mislynch. IMO, a no lynch doesn't give as much information as a mislynch.In post 152, Chibiie wrote:-snip-
I'mma be straight honest here, I'd rather be killed in Night 1 and have my death help Town track down the Mafia than have a mislynch D1.
-snip-
With just the night kill all the information you get is the persons role and half the alignment of the convos that person had with other people which anyone can say it is just a TvT argument without the pressure, with a lynch you get the reactions of the person lynched and all those involved, so for Chibiie to go through the effort of avoiding lynching is anti town imo, not sure yet if its necessarily scummy, I want to know what everyone else thinks on this.
When you admit to everyone that you are trying not to lynch anyone the weight of your words to them and your vote lose a lot of value and pressure.
I completely disagree and stand by my #156 post.
You sound more like you wish to rely on power roles, they are a benefit ofc but not the only source of information, on here our bread and butter are are our reads of people and their play, when we choose to stop trying to press people and gather reads that only plays into the mafias hands as it allows for them to hide in that zone of pressureless play and prosper because of it. I'm starting to see the benefit for scum, to starve us of information by pushing for a no-lynch as weird as it may sound.In post 162, Chibiie wrote:1. I did my math wrong, I'm sorry, you are correct on the percentage.In post 160, Spartan117 wrote:Where do you get 18% mislynch? at any town players perspective there are 6 other town and 2 mafia, would you not have a 6/8 chance for a mislynch which is 75%. Your whole argument against a lynch seems that if we get a mislynch not only do we lose a town that there is a chance we lose a power role, which is why we have people like myself say declare intent to hammer before you do so that they can claim their role so as to not lynch a power role, as if someone claims a power role they are either that role or scum so that gives us info there, obliviously I do not want the power roles to be known but I don't think avoiding a lynch just because there is a risk of lynching town is the way to go.
What is your scum read on yoda based on, can you elaborate, is it just that he doesn't agree with you?
2. At one point in-game, the most standard Town playstyle is that at least one power role that can gather info will show himself to the world while protective roles stay hidden and protect them as many nights as possible while Vanilla Townies will most likely try to mislead scums into targeting them.
3. I didn't say I "scumread", but I don't see him very aware of the consequences of a mislynch...
4. You don't look very aware either...
In my experience in social deduction games, I've never considered throwing someone random under the bus for info as a valid play... My goal as townie is to win with as many Townies alive as possible.
Whenever I play Mafia, my perfect strategy is to have Mafia mess up N1. Here someone will say "but how you gather info then?"... We have POWER ROLES, this is their job... "What does Mafia mess up N1 means?" Attacking a healed target. Someone will figure out why that person is attacked, people will turn heads towards the attacked person and will know that 1. He's Townie confirmed for being targeted by Mafia and 2. People will investigate his relationships with everyone and it'll lead them to who could possibly be Mafia and throw their best shot of getting rid of one scum in D2 lynch.
Power roles are there for a reason... They're offensive, support and investigative... Make the best out of them.
I do understand where you are coming from, I just personally dont agree with you on this, I don't think this opinion is a largely scummy one, but I think you need to understand someones push to make them talk and pressure you can put on them decrease massively when its hollow with no threat of lynching them.In post 163, Chibiie wrote:I hope everyone understands my point of view... I'm against a D1 lynch. Not against pushing people to make them talk, but against actually lynching someone. I see no misplay in any of your posts, you're all having valid arguments, looking for slip-ups, but D1 isn't the perfect time.
I will stand by my word and that rather than having both D1 mislynch and N1 Mafia kill, I'd cut it down to N1 Mafia kill or hopefully to a N1 Mafia healed target. That's more info in my opinion, that's where good reactions come from. D1 mislynch will not gather very much info, just one person less to argue and possibly a lost power role.
If it's a mislynch, it could lead to pushing towards the one who first pushed the vote and if that person is also Townie, I can only think about the biggest mess ever... You guys have your own experiences and you know how to play your way, I'm very excited to see different playstyles on this platform. I'm curious on how will I enjoy this website later after this game is over.
Each persons flip provides information, if you try and keep as many townies alive as long as possible you are going to end up with the mafia just picking town off 1 by 1. The other thing that deaths/flips provide is content, without the flips we have less content for discussion and thus a slower game which also plays into the mafias hands.In post 168, Chibiie wrote:Also, I'm pretty sure that scums will always be happier with a D1 lynch... That's one target less on their list.
It is risky for both scums and townies, true, any alignment may die in this situation, but I'm pretty damn sure that in a 75% chance of mislynch situation, scums will ALWAYS be happier with D1 lynching... D1 is not about pressure, is about getting to know each and every player's playstyle as in: way of talking, logic behind decisions, thought process, etc.
my breakdown of each person was me going through the chat, 1 page at a time and picking up content that stood out to me, I didnt really feel like there was enough content from merfin, george and yoda mainly with all of them still currently at close enough to half of the posts of the mod and less. Ill only be getting home around 11/12pm tonight gmt so ill try and go through the teacher/dong conversation the best I can then, I'm hoping by that point there will be more content to go through from the others as well, as some have been fairly lackluster at best.In post 173, teacher wrote:I mean Im content with it but this positioning of dong doesnt seem to match the text of the read, which seems more nullish. I know youre going to react to my case today, but wanted to ping you on this.In post 151, Spartan117 wrote:If anyone has any questions for me please ask away.
What do you think of this in relation to his most recent post in #177In post 149, teacher wrote:Salad is a townread by meta. I have played with them or modded them at least twice (cant remember which) and they tend to be lynchbaity town. His tone and acknowledgment of this do not strike me as hiding behind meta, but rather trying to help through it. His activity levels alone take him off the table for me in this game which is struggling for content.
It stinks right? or am I just missing some sort of meta where he acts all random looking for a lynch.
Which I could understand, from my pov it did look like a fairly natural reaction to being put on L-1 so early, but I personally could see it being the same reaction from both sides.In post 56, Donempire wrote:teacher is a pretty relaxed player overall so i dont think the response is telling.
Which I feel is because Dong had promised content and when they got round to putting some content out it consisted primarily of this topic, no fresh reads on anyone else at that time.In post 102, Donempire wrote:I dont like teachers response to getting wagoned.
Here Dong explains their read a bit more, in that they thought it was a natural reaction for scum, this I personally dont agree with, as I could see both TownTeacher and ScumTeacher acting this way.In post 108, teacher wrote:I’ll note the reversal of position in the exact same post happens after 97, when I express some interest in Dongs lurking.
Viewing just Teacher and Dongs posts on their own gave me a perspective I didnt have up until now on Dongs posts, Dong voted Teacher in RVS in their first post and since that point has only produced reads on Teacher and Salad, with either a Scum read or a Scum Lean, in 18 posts there havent been any real pushes on anyone else, which I looks as though they are trying to appear to be scum hunting but only focusing their efforts in a very limited direction.In post 128, Donempire wrote:Im pretty sure that teacher actually thought you were voting him. And his reaction is natural.
For scum.
Expanding on post 102 (or perhaps reiterating) an experienced town player would keep calm and explain spartan that this isnt something he should be doing and level with him. A panicking scum tries to get out of l1 as quickly as possible before a lolhammer.
I think you try and view it from the new person the best you can but always keep the activities of the previous person in mind when evaluating their slot, although their previous player didnt contribute much to evaluate :/In post 213, Yodavader wrote:What are your thoughts on a replacement player and the info from the replaced player. Do you play them as new players/clean slate or do you play them as they are both the same player? I have been lucky and have never had a game with a replaced player.
Honestly this is how I feel, i'm finding him a very hard slot to read, wish for more content from him to evaluate him better.In post 211, AaronFrost wrote:Hmm I'm having a hard time getting a read on Salad. I could see him flipping scum but I'm not all that confident that he will.
Just thought I'd highlight this point where Chibiie says they dont think george is scum at all then put him at the bottom of the list as scum...In post 204, Chibiie wrote:iew looks very netural (I cannot get a proper read out of his posts and actions), looks unjust to me. Salad play in his last post, in my opinion, is a scumbait and now he's waiting on people to react on his action in order to scumread someone.Anyway, I don't see you playing scum at all, on my TL you were around mid-way, kind of, however, scumreading Salad, which from my point of v
I honestly have no idea if that's any relevant to Salad's true intent behind that play or he's actually just very indecisive and has legit used a website to decide on the vote lmao.
In post 177, Saladman27 wrote:
I agree, we need to lynch anyone today, rn I honestly don’t care if it’s a mislynch today, info is better none. So let’s spice things up.
Using random.org I will vote one of the top 2 wagons.
Heads = Spartan
Tails = Dong
random.org says Tails
VOTE: Dong
I would like to know everyone's opinion on this play.
As I mentioned earlier, even if I ruined it now, I believe it is a scumbait and I consider this a townie-play.
My updated list is below. Let me know what you guys think.
Spoiler:
Town:
[*]Salad
[*]AaronFrost
[*]Spartan (I'm leaving my vote on him, but it means nothing)
[*]Teacher
Neutral:
[*]Dongempire (I'm still studying him and his posts)
[*]Merfin (Haven't seen him joining and move the game in a direction yet)
[*]Yoda (Following along, taking part into arguments, however, not very big impacts on the game progression)
Scum:
- GeorgeBailey
I don't mind you voting me, but you need to be adding content man, if you are scum reading me then why, what are you thinking, don't just put an empty vote.In post 209, Saladman27 wrote:Actually, VOTE: Spartan for now, I’ll wait for dong to come back from v/la.
ffs my names not spartman, can people pls get it right.... :/In post 228, Gimm1ck wrote:Spartman
You find it scummy that I am trying to understand what someone finds scummy about my play, you're off to a good start.In post 228, Gimm1ck wrote:Personally I find spartman to be scummy in that situation. He uses a defensive reply to pressure (think And why does that make me scum?),
Am I mistaken or did you just say you think me calling out salad for not producing game advancing content is scummy?In post 228, Gimm1ck wrote:and calls out saladman for not contributing to in-game scum hunting.
"Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?"
This earns scum points for Spartan as he - as stated before - calls out Salad for not investing in game related content while defensively replying to pressure.
Saladman's Lynch on Spartan is nai for me as of now. Going over rest of game soon
Humph :/In post 235, teacher wrote:I think it’s just become your shorthand for this game. Thank Georgeman.In post 233, Spartan117 wrote:ffs my names not spartman, can people pls get it right.... :/In post 228, Gimm1ck wrote:Spartman
It means that i saw them on the same level at that time, it doesnt mean team or anything like that, although this has since changed, although i think only slightlyIn post 239, Saladman27 wrote:Reading ISOs, what does the slashes mean?In post 180, Spartan117 wrote:Currently alignment read is roughly as follows.
Town
Plotinus
Aaron/Teacher
Chibiie
Yoda/George
Merfin
Dong/Salad
Scum
yeees? oh and im still tired, i wanted to try and get on here as soon as i got in from work, but had a load of menial tasks I had to do that I had been putting of so finally got around to getting to youIn post 238, teacher wrote:SpartAn?In post 200, Spartan117 wrote:@teacher it is now 12:32 midnight I've been up since 6:30am and have only just got home, I will be addressing your convo with dong, but I dont want to do it in the tired state I'm in now i want to analyse it with a clear head, about to go sleep now will be up at 6:30am gmt so basically 6 hours time, I shall try and cover it while at work tomorrow as my boss is not in so I can semi-surf mafiascum then.
Personally I agree, while I found yours lacking content at the very least it didnt seem like you had actual conviction on with your read on me, and could be seen as topic for discussion which I'm more than happy to be used as, but these comments from Gimm1ck dont help the view I had on merfins struggle for reads from the pov I believe that slot to be.In post 241, Saladman27 wrote:Yeah, tbh I find this post (G1mmick’s) more scummier than my bullshit vote.In post 236, Spartan117 wrote:Am I mistaken or did you just say you think me calling out salad for not producing game advancing content is scummy?In post 228, Gimm1ck wrote:and calls out saladman for not contributing to in-game scum hunting.
"Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?"
This earns scum points for Spartan as he - as stated before - calls out Salad for not investing in game related content while defensively replying to pressure.
Saladman's Lynch on Spartan is nai for me as of now. Going over rest of game soon
Its really not that tough, it takes more effort to put more quotes in your posts, i honestly dont see how you are doing this...In post 244, Gimm1ck wrote:Ahh blyat someone help and tell me how to quote things on this site
firstly can you stop saying he was lynching me. lynching is the process of being lynched which only happens at the end of each day, he voted me, nobody was lynched, my countervote was pressure which was justified as salad had seemingly just jumped on my wagon with what looked like a vote of opportunity.In post 251, Gimm1ck wrote:No. I was saying that I personally find when people respond to pressure by asking someone to elaborate on the reason they are being pressured is generally scummy to me.In post 234, Spartan117 wrote:You find it scummy that I am trying to understand what someone finds scummy about my play, you're off to a good start.In post 228, Gimm1ck wrote:Personally I find spartman to be scummy in that situation. He uses a defensive reply to pressure (think And why does that make me scum?),
This is especially given the context with Salad lynching you in early game phases - although yes, questioning Salad's viewpoints in early game phases has a place, it should not be a justification for a counterlynch unless you have other reasoning. Which is why I found it scummy.
we can wait for you to read through the whole game and post, with you posting several pages in the past, like you suggest your reads will change over the course of a couple of posts so for everyone reading you it is very misleading.In post 256, Gimm1ck wrote:Keep in mind these are my side thoughts trawling through beginning of day 2 as a sub. Clearly they are incorrect after reading through the rest of the game (content and number - wise).In post 236, Spartan117 wrote:Am I mistaken or did you just say you think me calling out salad for not producing game advancing content is scummy?In post 228, Gimm1ck wrote:and calls out saladman for not contributing to in-game scum hunting.
"Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?"
This earns scum points for Spartan as he - as stated before - calls out Salad for not investing in game related content while defensively replying to pressure.
Saladman's Lynch on Spartan is nai for me as of now. Going over rest of game soon
we were talking about the second time he voted meIn post 257, Gimm1ck wrote:If you found Salad's votes and pressure to be lacking conviction why did you Lynch them back way at page 2?In post 246, Spartan117 wrote:Personally I agree, while I found yours lacking content at the very least it didnt seem like you had actual conviction on with your read on me, and could be seen as topic for discussion which I'm more than happy to be used as, but these comments from Gimm1ck dont help the view I had on merfins struggle for reads from the pov I believe that slot to be.In post 241, Saladman27 wrote:Yeah, tbh I find this post (G1mmick’s) more scummier than my bullshit vote.In post 236, Spartan117 wrote:Am I mistaken or did you just say you think me calling out salad for not producing game advancing content is scummy?In post 228, Gimm1ck wrote:and calls out saladman for not contributing to in-game scum hunting.
"Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?"
This earns scum points for Spartan as he - as stated before - calls out Salad for not investing in game related content while defensively replying to pressure.
Saladman's Lynch on Spartan is nai for me as of now. Going over rest of game soon
Not sure if you missed #222 It was the first thing I posted tonight, a couple pages ago chats been kinda active post midnight (my end).In post 261, teacher wrote:I was asking for the bolded. Not really time sensitive, though I would like you to beat Dong (back on Sunday)In post 242, Spartan117 wrote:yeees? oh and im still tired, i wanted to try and get on here as soon as i got in from work, but had a load of menial tasks I had to do that I had been putting of so finally got around to getting to youIn post 238, teacher wrote:SpartAn?In post 200, Spartan117 wrote:@teacher it is now 12:32 midnight I've been up since 6:30am and have only just got home,I will be addressing your convo with dong, but I dont want to do it in the tired state I'm in now i want to analyse it with a clear head,about to go sleep now will be up at 6:30am gmt so basically 6 hours time, I shall try and cover it while at work tomorrow as my boss is not in so I can semi-surf mafiascum then.
Its good to see, probably the best thing we got from merfin was their switch out for someone who is actually decently active of which I hope the activity levels continue.In post 265, teacher wrote:Some sound points/new analysis. Some things I dont get. Appreciate the activity if nothing else.
Thats a good point I agree, I guess its just better from our stance or at least my stance to not jump on the posts as they are coming out, but I do see what you are saying the gradual ouput of content like hes doing is better for reads than allowing for a more calculated presentation of information.In post 267, teacher wrote:FWIW, I completely disagree and like spam ketchups. It shows how a player's mind works. Thats the best way to read someone - try to buid their mindset and then test whether they operate consistently. Reads can (and should) change, sure, but what matters is whether they change logically. I already have a better sense of Gimm1ck's approach than half the pl.In post 262, Spartan117 wrote:we can wait for you to read through the whole game and post, with you posting several pages in the past, like you suggest your reads will change over the course of a couple of posts so for everyone reading you it is very misleading.In post 256, Gimm1ck wrote:Keep in mind these are my side thoughts trawling through beginning of day 2 as a sub. Clearly they are incorrect after reading through the rest of the game (content and number - wise).In post 236, Spartan117 wrote:Am I mistaken or did you just say you think me calling out salad for not producing game advancing content is scummy?In post 228, Gimm1ck wrote:and calls out saladman for not contributing to in-game scum hunting.
"Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?"
This earns scum points for Spartan as he - as stated before - calls out Salad for not investing in game related content while defensively replying to pressure.
Saladman's Lynch on Spartan is nai for me as of now. Going over rest of game soon
No probs, I'm gonna head off now, ill be back on tomorrow probably be fairly active this weekend with the exception of sunday evening my time (gmt) as ill be out.In post 268, teacher wrote:I saw it but it didnt stick with me. My bad, and thank you.In post 266, Spartan117 wrote:Not sure if you missed #222 It was the first thing I posted tonight, a couple pages ago chats been kinda active post midnight (my end).In post 261, teacher wrote:I was asking for the bolded. Not really time sensitive, though I would like you to beat Dong (back on Sunday)In post 242, Spartan117 wrote:yeees? oh and im still tired, i wanted to try and get on here as soon as i got in from work, but had a load of menial tasks I had to do that I had been putting of so finally got around to getting to youIn post 238, teacher wrote:SpartAn?In post 200, Spartan117 wrote:@teacher it is now 12:32 midnight I've been up since 6:30am and have only just got home,I will be addressing your convo with dong, but I dont want to do it in the tired state I'm in now i want to analyse it with a clear head,about to go sleep now will be up at 6:30am gmt so basically 6 hours time, I shall try and cover it while at work tomorrow as my boss is not in so I can semi-surf mafiascum then.
In#204 where you say, looks unjust to me, is in reference to george scum reading salad.In post 280, Chibiie wrote:I would like to point out you only partially highlighted my post, as I mentioned why I've put him at the bottom of my list.
In post 204, Chibiie wrote:Anyway, I don't see you playing scum at all, on my TL you were around mid-way, kind of, however, scumreading Salad, which from my point of view looks very netural (I cannot get a proper read out of his posts and actions), looks unjust to me. Salad play in his last post, in my opinion, is a scumbait and now he's waiting on people to react on his action in order to scumread someone.
Was that from #204 no its from #280 which is 28 hours later, I'm asking where you have said why you put george as your hard scum read in #204 maybe you put it in a previous postIn post 287, Chibiie wrote:I've literally did...
You are right this does look a very sus flip of opinion given your hard stance on a no lynch before, and ever so convenient now that we are closer to the deadline. mhmmIn post 280, Chibiie wrote:I understand the D1 lynch meta now that I've studied the forum and would like to join in, however, that would turn me into a "scum" for not backing-up my play.
Can you explain my wagon to me from an outside perspective I'm interested to know what you think of it. This isnt just @teacher.In post 299, teacher wrote:I find the fact I can’t get this wagonned, despite this apathy (and everything else), concerning.In post 291, Donempire wrote:@Georgie im back from v/la, so if you're not voting me based ön that feel free to. Im having a hard time approaching the game is all.
I'm not saying Dong is a bad target to lynch, he is in my scumpool after all, i was refering more to how the people who joined the wagon did so without sharing any opinion of why they thought dong was scum themselves, I'm not saying abandon the wagon, but we couldn't have had this discussion 48 hours prior as the wagon hadn't been jumped on in such a way then. Who ever it was being lynched, I just feel like its going to be harder in D2 to evaluate the wagon when people joined it so easily.In post 328, teacher wrote:I disagree it has been super easy joining. I feel like I’ve been pushing this for days and nobody would join. So I don’t take the premise of the question that well.In post 326, Spartan117 wrote:@Teacher & @Aaron, what do you guys think on how easily people are voting for dong, without any real conviction or reasoning and just seem to be following the herd, feels like scum are just happy to jump an inactive potential townie lynch, although @teacher like you mentioned it is better to lynch an inactive townie rather than an active one for later in the game. I hate lynches like this, I don't feel we learn anywhere near as much as we would with proper activity and dialog.
Nor do I take the implication that there is an alternate lynch that well. Because there were few active players, there never really were competing/counterwagons throughout the day. At this point, anybody who got run up to lynch would be “easy” - sure many have joined Dong in the past 24 hours, but are you suggesting we abandon dong because of that simply in order to do the same thing on a diff slot?
This is a conversation we could and should have had 48 hours ago, but now it’s too late to complain about consolidation.
Further to back this up, Gimm1ck does a very scummy thing of d1 saying he would be chill with a dong lynched, and d2 after dong has been lynched and revealed to be vt claims he disagreed with dong being lynched, its all well and good to say that after the fact, but it has 0 weight in my eyes. Also another place holder feel of a vote on salad again with no real push.In post 325, Gimm1ck wrote:so I’m chill w/ dong being hammered if they dont respond, but I would prefer saladman under more pressure
In post 354, Gimm1ck wrote:disagree that Dong should have been lynched yesterday, which is why I am returning to VOTE: Saladman
This is what I could see Scum!Gimm1ck wanting.In post 371, AaronFrost wrote:Gimm1ck - Moving him up to town because I think if he were scum he'd be much more content with lynching Dong than he was. Instead he tried to push the lynch onto Salad.
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Two of Yodas main scum reads are revealed to be town, the other one is Salad who everyone seems to read as scum.In post 186, Yodavader wrote:My bottom 3 are Dong(maybe), Salad(more than likely), George(more than likely).
While this may be true, I can also see this as deflection from yodas own lack of posting and scum hunting.In post 339, Yodavader wrote:I still don't like Salad's activity. This may be the rust in my game talking but I really haven't seen any kind of scum hunting from Salad. Just a lot of parroting and wagoning.
Solid point and one of the many reasons I get a strong townie vibe from Aaron.In post 351, AaronFrost wrote:It might also be worth taking a look at who George (and to a lesser extent, Dong) were scumreading and how the other players interacted with those slots.
In post 362, Chibiie wrote:Regarding this, I'm not a really big fan of this post...
I'll take Gimm1ck's post and put it here as a reply to you, Salad. Will also add my thoughts at the end of the post.
In post 362, Chibiie wrote:I agree with Gimm1ck on this one for the sole reason that everyone was in a soft conflict with George.
I feel like Chibiie says a lot without saying much to the point, drifting around hoping for an answer, actually finding this overwhelming especially with time contraints on posting and trying to understand everything, you say "you" a lot so its not always clear who you are talking to or about.In post 364, Chibiie wrote:Just like I did earlier, I'm 100% agreeing with Gimm1ck's post, however, I've added my stream of thoughts in there so we can elaborate on the same assumption and have the game progress further.
In post 386, Chibiie wrote:I hope my posts are aesthetically pleasing to y'all. I am enjoying doing this a lot.
Interesting Aaron, do you not think it could be possible that they could be distancing themselves so if one goes down the other looks somewhat safe.In post 378, AaronFrost wrote:I don't think Salad/Gimm1ck are ever a team.
In post 362, Chibiie wrote:[*]Spartan (could even put him as Town, but there are a few questions I need answers to, hopefully before we lynch someone)
Sure Ask me some direct questions and please be more consice with your posts walls provide lots of text but are harder to digest and get your point across.In post 409, Chibiie wrote:I haven't head Spartan's point of view on all this what's happening right now, I would really love if that could be a thing
In that case UNVOTE: Gimm1ckIn post 428, Gimm1ck wrote:Apologies for being inactive, very busy in real life.
Will post a later on today. This is also a good opportunity for me to hardclaim town tracker.
Visited Goeff (pardon spelling) last night. He was killed though.
Have some interesting teacher / spartman thoughts I’ll expand on later, but just wanted to claim here.
