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[Gimm1ck]

Disclaimer; English is not my first language, so pardon any inevitable grammar mistakes that’ll happen.

I’m a moderator on a chat-based real time online mafia room. This is my third game total on this site and my first in around half a year.

I’m busy for the rest of the day, but I’ll read game, give thoughts & be on tonight. Wall_post_incoming.jpeg

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Shameless Newb question, how do you bookmark a thread

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Why do you want teacher to claim? Do you intend on lynching him today?

I have no desire for teacher to claim unless he needs to, but I have 0 alignment reads so far, so I have no issue with hammering anyone here provided I think they are scum.

It is even worse than this, which is illogical as heck. What does hammering me here give you? Does it create alignment reads?

I get that wagons are good for reactions, but why be ok with hammering in a game that’s on page 2 and has eight days before deadline? Like, really?

As an aside on the wagon thing, I kinda like what you did but lolhammers are a thing, especially when people haven’t checked into the threat. I usually wait for everyone to post before we get to L-1 because some people rvs without reading the thread and then you’ve bought two mislynches (the wagonee and the innocent hammered) for the price of one.

Why do you want teacher to claim? Do you intend on lynching him today?

I have no desire for teacher to claim unless he needs to, but I have 0 alignment reads so far, so I have no issue with hammering anyone here provided I think they are scum.

So you'd rather hammer someone on page 2 and somehow hope that produces reads instead of letting your reads develop as the game progresses and deciding on a better lynch that way?

Also your even though it was random, self-voting is usually seen as an anti-town move, even during RVS.

VOTE: Spartan117

So if I say "I have 0 alignment reads so far" and follow it up by saying "I have no issue with hammering anyone here provided I think they are scum", where in that did I say I wanted to hammer someone page 2, are you by chance Cathy Newman in disguise?

Additionally please tell me what is anti-town about self voting during the RVS on the first page? What does it tell you about my alignment if anything?

Where in that did I say I wanted to hammer someone page 2
Additionally please tell me what is anti-town about self voting during the RVS on the first page? What does it tell you about my alignment if anything?

1. Nowhere, but you opened up an opportunity for a lolhammer or your partner to hammer.
2. In my last game, one player self voted in RVS and everyone jumped on that vote.

So yeah, it’s a really bad and scummy idea to L-1 this early, especially in a 9p game. VOTE: Spartan117

1. I wanted to get a reaction and I got 3, you're welcome.

2. If someone votes themselves and others jump on the wagon and vote him, what does that say about their alignment? What was the alignment of this player in your last game?

I liked Aarons reaction felt townie to me

Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?

VOTE: Saladman27

teacher is a pretty relaxed player overall so i dont think the response is telling.

Salads response of course views things from a very flat angle, i know that spartan wasnt trying to get a quick mislynch. Though i am happy the game gained traction, i cant townread spartan for it because either faction could do it. I think aarons reaction to the vote is also pretty bad, it reads as though hes more concerned on where he is at when/if a lynch occurs rather than getting a scum lynch through. The whole convo reads like TvS and if i had to pick a side i'd say aarons the goon here.

2. If someone votes themselves and others jump on the wagon and vote him, what does that say about their alignment? What was the alignment of this player in your last game?

Nothing, but it’s anti-town to start the wagon. The player was VT, self voted and did nothing but made him look scummy. The next day he self hammered.

Anti town doesnt mean scum, and thats what you are insuniating with your vote on spartan. Either that or you are pushing him on no premises other than self voting might be bad in rvs?
I mean, if people are jumping on a self vote and hammering in rvs you should be focusing more on them rather than the person making a joke vote.

Ahh blin formatting is hard and wall posts are inconvenient, guess we're doing this the hard way

Not a fan of Aaron's RVS not because of his flavor but his readiness to justify his flavor / reactions to people saying it was too much (post 22/24)

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I have no idea why a dozen quotes popped out of nowhere but uh ig we continue

[Gimm1ck]

Saying now that Teacher reacted calmly and townie, albeit a tad passively to his wagon; considering it nai on him for the present being.

Reading back over early Spartman wagon here, so sorry for not knowing how to use quotes (you can see how badly I messed it up a few posts up) anyways;
Personally I find spartman to be scummy in that situation. He uses a defensive reply to pressure (think And why does that make me scum?),

"Additionally please tell me what is anti-town about self voting during the RVS on the first page? What does it tell you about my alignment if anything?" (post 44)

and calls out saladman for not contributing to in-game scum hunting.

"Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?"

This earns scum points for Spartan as he - as stated before - calls out Salad for not investing in game related content while defensively replying to pressure.
Saladman's Lynch on Spartan is nai for me as of now. Going over rest of game soon

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Don’t wanna risk a mislynch, much like Mini 2099.

Questioning this line because no idea why he voted into directly unlynching if he was afraid of mislynching.

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I’m hating the slowness of the game. I’ve got like 2 reads out of rand and we are a couple days in. Let’s try some getting to know you questions to hopefully start things off into the week. All slots kindly answer.

1. What is your experience at Mafia
2. How do you play as town
3. How do you play as scum
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town
5. Time zone/standard posting times

1. I moderate a chat based community that focuses on quick 30 minute to around 2-3 hour games. I am inexperienced and notoriously bad at forums based mafia from my community.
2. Forums might be different, but as town I enjoy looking at player interactions and wagonomics.
3. I attempt to mirror my town game.
4. Several things; this varies by individual player meta for me a lot from my old community, but I like to just consider what people would do in a situation as scum or town and what their partners would do.
5. EST

[Gimm1ck]

something anti town when I feel it is not alignment indicative.

I disagree. You took the randomness out of RVS, by denying agency for your vote and not voting another slot. Both actions suggest sensitivity to how you would appear. It could reasonably be seen as AI.

Outside of that, I have mixed feelings on you. Like I liked the pressure move on my slot, but not the reaction to Frosts question (which did read to me as being ok with a page 2 hammer “here” though I recognize you disclaimed that). I also like the drive for participation, though it could be lamisty.

Ultimately, I TL you despite these pings because I don’t think scum would be poking the thread in the way you have; they’d rather let it skate along quietly. The wIM I see is outweighing what may simply be playstyle differences.

This is fair reads but - might be the community I come from - very high activity is a common way of gaining towncred, which is why I am very hesitant to make any reads based on activity.

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teacher is a pretty relaxed player overall so i dont think the response is telling.

Salads response of course views things from a very flat angle, i know that spartan wasnt trying to get a quick mislynch. Though i am happy the game gained traction, i cant townread spartan for it because either faction could do it. I think aarons reaction to the vote is also pretty bad, it reads as though hes more concerned on where he is at when/if a lynch occurs rather than getting a scum lynch through. The whole convo reads like TvS and if i had to pick a side i'd say aarons the goon here.

The only situation where I'd be concerned about where I'm at is if I was on the teacher wagon, which again, I am not.

That being said, I do like Spartan's response to my questions. I had a feeling he was reaction testing and wanted to confirm whether that was true. I also agree with his sentiment of anti-town =/= scum.

UNVOTE:

Not really liking Saladman's posts here. In #54 he says that he's concerned about a mislynch happening on Spartan despite the fact that he was nowhere close to being lynched. And if you were concerned about a hypothetical mislynch, then why vote him at all? Early game wagons aren't necessarily a bad thing provided you have a town sensible enough not to quick/self hammer, and Spartan doesn't strike me as the type of person who'd do that.

VOTE: Saladman27

Why do these imply scumminess? Is there a reason that they would act this way If they were scum? Would they act differently if they were town?

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Alright, i gotta make do with what i already have here.

I dont like teachers response to getting wagoned. He posts about an hour later he is at l-1 and immediatly lashes out onto aaron for not unvoting even though he isnt on his wagon.

Why do you want teacher to claim? Do you intend on lynching him today?

This is a terrible response to L-1 from somebody who is on my wagon.

Now i agree that this would be a bad post had he actually been on his wagon, and even though aaron wasnt i still have a bone to pick with it but the gist is this: teacher was panicking here.
Now lolhammers are a common enough occurence on newbie games, enough to keep an eye out or even panic at times. However an experienced player like teacher, had he rolled town shouldnt have problem keeping calm at l-1. I feel like town!teacher here would have tried to explain the implications of a L-1 this early and panicked later. I believe that he also would have townread this at first glance.
Of course him disappearing right after that doesnt do him any favors either i dont think. Somethings wrong with his playstyle, yet i cant quite put my finger on it right now. I guess i'll have more substantial stuff later in the game.

Besides that im not liking saladmans activity. He seems to post a lot, yet almost all of them lack substance.

Personally I find spartman to be scummy in that situation. He uses a defensive reply to pressure (think And why does that make me scum?),

You find it scummy that I am trying to understand what someone finds scummy about my play, you're off to a good start.

@Dong

I think aarons reaction to the vote is also pretty bad, it reads as though hes more concerned on where he is at when/if a lynch occurs rather than getting a scum lynch through. The whole convo reads like TvS and if i had to pick a side i'd say aarons the goon here.

Can you elaborate more on this?

Sure can.

At that point i thought town!you would be more concerned with trying to persuade spartan out of l-1ing teacher. Your posts seem more like you're trying to seem reasonable without taking any action, what with asking spartan if he wants a lynch. On surface level it seems like a natural enough question but definitely not the question to be asking at page 2. I think a town response would be more in line with "the fuck?"

The way I see Dong currently is actually a townlean. I do not believe their read on teacher is fabricated to be false; Dong's reluctance to back down on a read they find to be correct to them is townie in my book. Scum Dong wouldnt want to keep a read that is obviously drawing them negative attention, especially if they believe they are furthering pro town activity at this point.

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Ahh blyat someone help and tell me how to quote things on this site

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I only meant to quote the first thing above my text btw

[Gimm1ck]

Personally I find spartman to be scummy in that situation. He uses a defensive reply to pressure (think And why does that make me scum?),

You find it scummy that I am trying to understand what someone finds scummy about my play, you're off to a good start.

No. I was saying that I personally find when people respond to pressure by asking someone to elaborate on the reason they are being pressured is generally scummy to me.

This is especially given the context with Salad lynching you in early game phases - although yes, questioning Salad's viewpoints in early game phases has a place, it should not be a justification for a counterlynch unless you have other reasoning. Which is why I found it scummy.

[Gimm1ck]

I don’t have time to comment on the substance but on the code I think you are accidentally hitting the quote plus thing in the right as you scroll, which creates multi quotes.

Yeah that's the reason thanks

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and calls out saladman for not contributing to in-game scum hunting.

"Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?"

This earns scum points for Spartan as he - as stated before - calls out Salad for not investing in game related content while defensively replying to pressure.
Saladman's Lynch on Spartan is nai for me as of now. Going over rest of game soon

Am I mistaken or did you just say you think me calling out salad for not producing game advancing content is scummy?

Look at my previous post, not sure if I am expressing it correctly, but given your direct Lynch onto Spartman for that reasoning (esp. early game) was scummy in my book.

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After giving the game a quick run-through Aaron is the only one who fully jumps out as town for now.

Teacher has provided townie points and in my opinion his reaction to pressure has been stellar (can elaborate more).

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Dongempire is conditionally townie only for the reason I posted above. Chiibii is null-town due to noobmeta (at least the noobmeta I am accustomed to in my other mafia site presence).

Also I just realized I've been using Lynch instead of Vote, I've gotten flak for that in previous MS games due to historical context but it is the term we use on the site I come from. Apologies if you have been offended.

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and calls out saladman for not contributing to in-game scum hunting.

"Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?"

This earns scum points for Spartan as he - as stated before - calls out Salad for not investing in game related content while defensively replying to pressure.
Saladman's Lynch on Spartan is nai for me as of now. Going over rest of game soon

Am I mistaken or did you just say you think me calling out salad for not producing game advancing content is scummy?

Keep in mind these are my side thoughts trawling through beginning of day 2 as a sub. Clearly they are incorrect after reading through the rest of the game (content and number - wise).

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and calls out saladman for not contributing to in-game scum hunting.

"Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?"

This earns scum points for Spartan as he - as stated before - calls out Salad for not investing in game related content while defensively replying to pressure.
Saladman's Lynch on Spartan is nai for me as of now. Going over rest of game soon

Am I mistaken or did you just say you think me calling out salad for not producing game advancing content is scummy?

Yeah, tbh I find this post (G1mmick’s) more scummier than my bullshit vote.

Personally I agree, while I found yours lacking content at the very least it didnt seem like you had actual conviction on with your read on me, and could be seen as topic for discussion which I'm more than happy to be used as, but these comments from Gimm1ck dont help the view I had on merfins struggle for reads from the pov I believe that slot to be.

If you found Salad's votes and pressure to be lacking conviction why did you Lynch them back way at page 2?

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The way I see Dong currently is actually a townlean. I do not believe their read on teacher is fabricated to be false; Dong's reluctance to back down on a read they find to be correct to them is townie in my book. Scum Dong wouldnt want to keep a read that is obviously drawing them negative attention, especially if they believe they are furthering pro town activity at this point

1. Playing out your hypothetical - You ever had a good hand pre-flop, completely miss but have to continuation bet to potentially take it on a semi-bluff?
2. Countering your hypothetical - what negative attention was it drawing, other than mine? It set off alarm bells for me, but everyone else (other than Aaron?) poo-pooed it.

Time to explain something about what I look for when I am scum hunting;
Scum generally want to avoid being lynched day one and individually do not want attention on themselves (which is why pressure and rvs swinging is very beneficial to give reads). Scum want to appear nonchalant for the majority of day one to avoid being lynched, giving reactions to town, or making any hint towards their partner(s).

A side affect from this is that scum tend to not make any extremely polarizing reads in fear of either being caught on lackluster logic and counterwagoned onto, or being OMGUSsed /FOSed due to their reads. That leads them to play somewhat passively and attempt to maintain a neutral posture on wagons.

Scum Dongempire had plenty of time after Aaron lynched him and teacher's negative attention - as you say - to either modify their read slightly, ask more questions, or attempt to shift attention off themselves if they were scum in the form of making more, different reads. Which I do not see them doing; especially given that they refreshed and enhanced their read later on - directly after Aaron lynched them for that read (will get quotes in a second don't want to fuck up quotes again).

Rather, their steadfast resolve to push teacher is a townie move in my opinion.

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Alright, i gotta make do with what i already have here.

I dont like teachers response to getting wagoned. He posts about an hour later he is at l-1 and immediatly lashes out onto aaron for not unvoting even though he isnt on his wagon.

Why do you want teacher to claim? Do you intend on lynching him today?

This is a terrible response to L-1 from somebody who is on my wagon.

Now i agree that this would be a bad post had he actually been on his wagon, and even though aaron wasnt i still have a bone to pick with it but the gist is this: teacher was panicking here.
Now lolhammers are a common enough occurence on newbie games, enough to keep an eye out or even panic at times. However an experienced player like teacher, had he rolled town shouldnt have problem keeping calm at l-1. I feel like town!teacher here would have tried to explain the implications of a L-1 this early and panicked later. I believe that he also would have townread this at first glance.
Of course him disappearing right after that doesnt do him any favors either i dont think. Somethings wrong with his playstyle, yet i cant quite put my finger on it right now. I guess i'll have more substantial stuff later in the game.

Besides that im not liking saladmans activity. He seems to post a lot, yet almost all of them lack substance.

Alright so looking through Saladman's meta, so far it does seem pretty consistent with town!Salad. I think my vote is better placed here honestly.

VOTE: Dongempire

Really did not like their case against teacher. teacher wasn't responding to the fact that he was at L-1, he was responding to Spartan when he seemed to imply that he was okay with hammering on page 2 and I think teacher's response is fine because of that. Not necessarily saying it's townie, but it's definitely not scummy.

Dong immediately after 39:

teacher is a pretty relaxed player overall so i dont think the response is telling.

Dong now, about 39:

teacher was panicking here.

Um, what??

VOTE: Dong

Yup, you just compounded my argument further.
You are a very relaxed player yet you clearly panicked there.
These two things dont contradict, they compliment.

@Dong

I think aarons reaction to the vote is also pretty bad, it reads as though hes more concerned on where he is at when/if a lynch occurs rather than getting a scum lynch through. The whole convo reads like TvS and if i had to pick a side i'd say aarons the goon here.

Can you elaborate more on this?

Sure can.

At that point i thought town!you would be more concerned with trying to persuade spartan out of l-1ing teacher. Your posts seem more like you're trying to seem reasonable without taking any action, what with asking spartan if he wants a lynch. On surface level it seems like a natural enough question but definitely not the question to be asking at page 2. I think a town response would be more in line with "the fuck?"

Honestly hope to god that I learned how to quote, but here you can see what I compiled up in my previous post.

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My computer hasn’t been working properly for the past few days and apologies for my inactivity, I guess I’m on semi v/la until it gets sorted out.

VOTE: Saladman27 for the time being, will explain more later on in a few hours but just wanted to get on this.

Regardless, I would prefer a lynch over none, so I’m chill w/ dong being hammered if they dont respond, but I would prefer saladman under more pressure.

#mobilegang

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Georgebruedly kill can be taken three ways:

1. Obvtownies are really scum.

2. Null kill to prevent reads from flips and/or an attempt to throw off town.

3. PR read.

I am inclining the third option as incorrect as I see no real reason to PR read George from anywhere on site.

Given the first case scenario, I believe the two most obvious townies to be teacher and Aaron.

Given the second, it is possibly a scum tactic to divert attention to the obvious townies and to shine some negative light on them, which I find to be the most plausible explanation of the night kill.

Going over yesterday's lynches and seeing what we can see. I am still mobile and having some internet connection issues, but I'll get out as much as I can, when I can.

I disagree that Dong should have been lynched yesterday, which is why I am returning to VOTE: Saladman

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-snipping my quote so that it's not adding to the wall of text-

First, I said for some bullshit reason because I actually forgot why. I put dong on there because they were one of the top 2 wagons. I voted spartan because I wanted to wait for dong, but I should’ve unvoted instead.

So, you are basically saying that you will just +1 whatever the biggest wagon is currently?

Not necessarily now, but yeah, basically.

I honestly do not like this. While yes, having a flip day one is beneficial to town, you should not be mindlessly hopping on to a wagon for the sheer sake of having a wagon - this is personally a scummy mindset.
I generally feel that town would have a wagon going on a scumread/lean and be pressuring that slot at that current moment - having a filler post of 'I'm going to +1 the biggest wagon' without making significant attempts to wagon onto another person you personally feel is scummy (or providing a reason to +1 the wagon), I classify that as scummy.

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I'm conflicted between voting

Salad

or

Dong

.

Salad has done some interesting plays that stand out, and Dong seems quiet. Dong's accusation against teacher felt too meta, and a bit of a reach.

And Gimm1ck (still voting for Spartan, no reason specified) has been making strange pot-shots at Aaron.

I guess the choice is to either join Teacher's wagon or Spartan's wagon. Since I really don't want a d1 no-lynch

And I think I trust the people on Teacher's wagon more. I still can't really tell what Yoda's alignment is. But i'm pretty sure Aaron is town.

So, sorry m80.

VOTE: Dongempire

After this, I believe Dong is at

L-2

This is another thing I would like to mention - I doubt this is the main probable reason George was nked if Salad is scum, but it definitely is noteworthy that George scumread Salad.

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This is the format I'm used to but w/e
TT; Teacher
T; Aaron, Chiibii
N: Spartan
W:Yoda
WW: Saladman

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I said that I was alright with Dong lynch for the same reason teacher stated earlier on in the thread. I would have much preferred Salad to be lynched and I disagreed with Dong being personally lynched, but I would prefer a townread if mine being lynched over nobody.
At work but will respond more when I can.

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Apologies for being inactive, very busy in real life.
Will post a later on today. This is also a good opportunity for me to hardclaim town tracker.
Visited Goeff (pardon spelling) last night. He was killed though.

Have some interesting teacher / spartman thoughts I’ll expand on later, but just wanted to claim here.

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Gimm1ck did you crumb?

As a policy I do not crumb because scum can pick up on theoretical crumbs and hunt for PRs that way. Especially when I did not get anything really tangible from the result.

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Skimming through, I want to explain that I never contradicted my opinion about the Dong lynch.
I did not want Dong lynched, but I wanted anyone lynched over no lynch - even if it is a townread of mine (teacher layed it out nicely some time ago).

I have some time tonight and will get some things out.

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EBWOP: The reasoning -- avoid protective candidates, and seeing friendly neighbor possible claims -- suggests to me that we are in Row B.

Right now I am actually town reading Teacher a lot less than I have currently. What I am personally feeling is that he has some townie contributions earlier on in the day, but this one comment really puts me off, especially with my claim - especially considering that if scum are in row b, they have a rolecop; they then know they are in b3. This leads me to believe that teacher is either scum or another town power role.

Given the knowledge that I am tracker I am likely going to be night killed (or RBed in the case of row a). Jailkeeper should attempt to play as a roleblocker in this case.

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Chiibiie gives me strong newb town vibes but I'm running like five different forums games elsewhere and don't have all that much time to cherry pick where specifically.

If anyone were to be partners w/ scum!salad my money is on Yoda or spartan (coming soon later).

Aaron gives me strong town vibes.

TT: Gimm1ck, Aaron
T: Chiibiie, Spartan (conditionally)
N: Yoda, teacher
W:
WW; Saladman

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EBWOP: The reasoning -- avoid protective candidates, and seeing friendly neighbor possible claims -- suggests to me that we are in Row B.

Right now I am actually town reading Teacher a lot less than I have currently. What I am personally feeling is that he has some townie contributions earlier on in the day, but this one comment really puts me off, especially with my claim - especially considering that if scum are in row b, they have a rolecop; they then know they are in b3. This leads me to believe that teacher is either scum or another town power role.

Given the knowledge that I am tracker I am likely going to be night killed (or RBed in the case of row a). Jailkeeper should attempt to play as a roleblocker in this case.

Ok, I might have Mafia experience, but I do have a question about this platform, to be more precise, setups...
Where is that B3 coming from? We only have one PR claim and two VT flips...

If anyone could explain me how people read setups, please do, because all I know is that we are in column B based on teachers post and then your claim. Where did you read someone as Doc? Or are you informed about being healed even when not NK target?

Gimm1ck, is either I am stupid and can't read slots properly or you just gave away 2nd PR and scums will try hard to read who's Doc...
I should read all setups and role PMs

I am speculating given the only two plausible setups, which are Row2a, Row1b, row3b. These are my reads given the current situation with teacher.

[Gimm1ck]

Teacher targeted Spartan and Chibiie last night. I have no idea why I have been killed; I am currently mobile but this is most definitely to set up a counterclaim to me and attempt to get me lynched here.

Since the only way Teacher can, really, target two people, he is confirmed scum.

[Gimm1ck]

VOTE: teacher

[Gimm1ck]

I have not been killed*

[Gimm1ck]

This also confirms Chiibiie as town (no reason for teacher to role cop or roleblock their partner).

[Gimm1ck]

Smh my English; clarifying my last sentence in my post before vote - only way teacher can target two people in one night is by being mafia roleblocker or mafia rolecop.

If chibiie isn’t a town power role we can force a confirmed win here by having three confirmed townies (me, Chibiie, other power role) and lynch the other two players (of course, this depends on how power role claims play out).

[Gimm1ck]

Also, if teacher attempts to counterclaim tracker (or another power role) now - he could have counterclaimed me yesterday at any point. As an SE player he would have claimed as it is much better for town to counterclaim a power role pre-lylo if they can (it is most beneficial for town).

[Gimm1ck]

Tracked yoda (targeted me last night).

[Gimm1ck]

@Gimm1ck you're the one who has to hammer here so think carefully about who you vote. teacher rolecopping Chibiie doesn't make him confirmed town and honestly feels like the kind of play teacher would make if he thought he was gonna be tracked. I would've pointed this out yesterday but, well...

Teacher targeteting both people last night makes me believe he, in fact, did not expect to be tracked. Part of the reason I tracked him was because I was beginning to townread him a lot less, but I still let him know that I was town for this exact reason.

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Haven't been able to give a thorough read through yet but, homework for Aaron

why would teacher lead to believe he was going to be tracked by me? Why do you think they decided chibiie was more likely to be tracked over teacher (given that he is scum from your point of view) - even when I stated I townread chiibiie?

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Homework for Chibiie - why do you think teacher believed he was going to be tracked over Aaron, even when I stated I townread Aaron over teacher? Do you think teacher would take that risk?

[Gimm1ck]

Fuck me if this is wrong, well predicted teacher if so
VOTE: Aaronfrost

[Gimm1ck]

Did not expect that, well done teacher

[Gimm1ck]

I’m much better in real time chat-based games, forums were fun to try though. Thanks folks, was fun, and I’ll most likely be back sometime.