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[GeorgeBailey]

Teacher Lynch
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VOTE: Teacher

[GeorgeBailey]

Well since there's no point now.

UNVOTE: teacher

[GeorgeBailey]

1. What is your experience at Mafia
This is my first game. But I've a lot of the variants of Mafia.
2. How do you play as town
I'm guessing you gotta just be friendly and deduce suspicious actions
3. How do you play as scum
I'm guessing I have to be secretive and get innocents lynched
4. What do you think gives away a player as scum or town

Scum:

Eagerness to Vote, defending player for no reason.

Town:

Friendly? Skeptical of baseless lynches.
5. Time zone/standard posting times
EDT

What was the point before? If pressure, why not vote Salad or Frost now to build a wagon?

Any actual thoughts on what people have said?

I've been following this thread for the past few days but i'm not quite sure what to gather from anything.

Spartman seems the strangest since he hammered you and almost got you lynched.

VOTE: Spartan117

[GeorgeBailey]

Alright, since teacher's questions didn't really spark up activity levels too much, I'll throw in a question of my own and see where it gets us.

If you had to lynch somebody right now, who would it be and why?

I'd probably lynch Salad. Didn't like his quick unvote after voting Spartan and his vote on Spartan seemed very opportunistic to begin with.

Actually, I think Spartan's actions were more of a "to get the ball rolling" move. Voting Saladman up to L-2 seems like good pressure to get a role read, like he said he wanted.

UNVOTE: Spartan117

I dont like the thought lynching one of the two people who is fighting upstream to keep this game somewhat alive.

Im going to need something from Dong pretty soon or thats my preferred lynch. Also open to Chibi or Yoda atm. Spartan and Salad are pretty off the table for me.

I will say we want to be coalescing in around 48 hours, so I will definitely play tonight. Im sorrya bout last night -- the site was being wonky and mod duties come first.

Agreed, but my preferred vote would probably be

Merfin

. There's the least amount of information about Merfin right now. (if that's what you were going for ).

And i'd like to hear more from you.

And apply a little

pressure

VOTE: Merfin

Aaron and Teacher seem like Townie to me, just their overall engagement in claims.

Saladman i'm really unsure of. He seems to be all over the place.

[GeorgeBailey]

Dong immediately after 39:

teacher is a pretty relaxed player overall so i dont think the response is telling.

Dong now, about 39:

teacher was panicking here.

Um, what??

VOTE: Dong

I don't think Dong is scum. Calm people can panick, that's not what he's saying here.

But I don't think teacher is scum just because he panicked at L-1. Wouldn't any role would panick if they're about to be lynched d1 from an RVS?

[GeorgeBailey]

-Snip-

I don't think Dong is scum. Calm people can panick, that's not what he's saying here.

But I don't think teacher is scum just because he panicked at L-1. Wouldn't any role would panick if they're about to be lynched d1 from an RVS?

I read 56 as saying he cant read too much into my reaction because Im generally pretty relaxed. The implication being that my reaction is pretty relaxed, just like my general play Thus to me, 56 directly contradicts 102.

Im not sure I understand your post, but I think you are saying you read 56 differently (Im not sure what "here" is in your post). How do you read it?

Sorry, after reading my earlier post it did seem pretty confusing.

I read it as more of a comment on your overall character, simply stating that according to previous posts, you're pretty relaxed. Then he contrasted that to the fact you freaked out at being put to L-1, and that an experienced Town wouldn't do that.

But I think that you were just scared of being hammered d1 for no reason.

[GeorgeBailey]

I unvoted Spartan because I think his reason to vote someone to L-1 was understandable, and had no consequences.

And you're right, I think Chibii (and Yoda) are the only ones that haven't their voice examined yet.

I still see no reason to vote Dong or Spartan though.

[GeorgeBailey]

-snip-

With all said and done, I will currently VOTE: Spartan only because of #38 where he "has no issue with hammering anyone here provided he thinks they are scum."

What's wrong about said statement? We had no reads at the time, and still really don't.

[GeorgeBailey]

+1 to teacher's post.

I meant being hammered for no reason, not being scared for no reason.

[GeorgeBailey]

Reads RN. Anyone want to engage me?

Aaron
Spartan
Salad
Yoda
-----------
Chibi Merfin
________
George
Dong

Also, Dong, why not answer the general questions?

Sure I'll engage.

Why Yoda as a townlean? Why George as a scumlean?

But I would also like the answer to Aaron's question. Plus, why do you think Salad is town? (if i'm reading that right).

[GeorgeBailey]

George was a scumlean because of 80 and 82. I don’t like the “no reason now” – it implies there was a reason before.¹ The only reason I can come up with is pressure. But if that was the reason, there is no reason not to vote another slot, as I said in 81² . So there not consistency in approach. The same is true for the 82-111 sequence. In 82³, George votes Spartan for making what the board had

already

established was a pressure vote, but then takes the same action himself (pretending to just realize the pressure thing). I will say that I have reevaluated this slot, however, and think it should be higher.

1. The reason was RVS. I guess that defeats the purpose of "Random" if there's a reason, but... that was pretty much my reason. And since you were almost voted to L-1, and the RVS stage was done, I just unvoted.

2. 82 was more of a prod-panic, I was just voting someone who I thought did the most sus move over that week. And voting someone to L-1 seemed like a scum move to me at the time.

3. 111 was straight voting for pressure. I kinda noticed there wasn't much on Merfin, so I wanted them to talk a bit.

GeorgemanBaileyman here in what I can only read as a post where he starts by telling everyone hes been lurking which is a slight wiff of alarm bells there but I could also see this being down to newish town who is still learning what is good and bad hence thinking that I hammered teacher when I put him to L-1 but it seems GeorgemanBaileyman

Lmao, but regarding this, I just mixed up the terms L-1 and Hammered. I realize now, that lurking is seen as scummy, but earlier in the game, I didn't really have a clue what to do for meta, other than RVS. Which is like every Mafia-Style game i've played.

[GeorgeBailey]

As for current reads:

Georgemanbaileymanman
Spartan, Aaron
Teacher
-----------
Yoda, Dong, Chibi
________
Merfin, Salad



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Brief Explanation:

Spartan:

Has been pretty active, trying to get the game moving. Trying to get lynches.
I feel like scum would want the game to stagnate, as oppose to doing outrageous stuff.

Aaron:

Generally asking questions, putting forth info. Doesn't seem scummy, seems more townie.

Teacher:

Ok, so while I do think that Town would like the game to progress, I think you're making mountains out of mole hills with post 150.
The Werewolf claim sounded more like a joke, post 34 seemed more like a taunt in jest, 74 seemed like a lazy response, (as with 134).
But your claims don't seem baseless, so I think you're town looking too hard.

Yoda:

While I do find it pretty odd you're voting for me, I think you're probably town.
I feel that mostly from post 96

Dong:

I feel like his callout post on Teacher was a bit unfair,
Even if you're experienced, how can you measure the volatility of a newb game? He was about to be hammered n1 for no real reason. Which would probably be pretty bad for an SE.

Chibii:

Although suggesting that there shouldn't be a d1 lynch seems scummy, It sounds like it was just a misinfo play, rather than a play trying to stall the game.

Merfin:

Honestly, you seem the most sus because of just a few reasons:

1. 89 was a very strange vote. This was WELL over RVS and he gave no reason to vote dong (except for his name, which is a non-reason).
2. Your activity so far was just to jump on the wagon on Spartan. And to RVS Dong.

Salad:

I think Salad is Scum simply because of his newest post.
Using a Random number generator to choose a wagon, seems really scummy, I get that it was to "spice things up" but I feel like scum would hide "Randomness" into their votes. Just as an excuse to vote someone without an actual reason

Also:

Spoiler:

Isn't provable Randomness against the rules?

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I feel like we're past voting for pressure too, I feel like most people have had their voice raised enough to evaluate. And I think it's either Merfin or Salad. I'm keeping my vote on Merfin.

[GeorgeBailey]

Because I think Merfin is safer choice over you.

Plus, 122 doesn't make much sense, wouldn't we know that we're on a team? Why would I vote him?

[GeorgeBailey]

Pretty much because of This Post now. He literally confirmed he was talking about your character, then repeated his point.

On your earlier point:

Can you please tell me how

• "I dont think the
  response
  is telling" and
  
• "I don't like Teacher's
  response
  "

Are complementary? (teacher-y aside: complEment, not complIment, here). Becuase you posted this after 117, yet failed to respond to it, so this looks like more forced shade.

I think he changed his mind after post 67. He didn't think your

immediate

response was telling, but your reaction

afterwards

is.

I'm gonna stop this now lmao, I feel like Dong would have a better explanation on the use of his own words.

[GeorgeBailey]

That being said, I think Chiibie gets some town points for bringing up the idea. I can see why scum would want to push a no lynch but I think it's more likely that newbie town would think that no lynching is beneficial (heck I had the same thought process in my first game). Chiibie seemed to bring up the idea with good intentions so I don't think it's scum motivated.

But couldn't that go both ways? A newb scum could think that's a good idea to bring up.

[GeorgeBailey]

Welcome aboard Gimm1ck, you already have more posts than me and Yoda, which is a great sign (for you, bad for me).

So onto this:

Saying now that Teacher reacted calmly and townie, albeit a tad passively to his wagon; considering it nai on him for the present being.

Reading back over early Spartman wagon here, so sorry for not knowing how to use quotes (you can see how badly I messed it up a few posts up) anyways;
Personally I find spartman to be scummy in that situation. He uses a defensive reply to pressure (think And why does that make me scum?),

"Additionally please tell me what is anti-town about self voting during the RVS on the first page? What does it tell you about my alignment if anything?" (post 44)

and calls out saladman for not contributing to in-game scum hunting.

"Saladmans reaction felt very much like scum trying to hope on a wagon, as an SE I expect more from you than your response in #46, I would have hoped more experienced players would understand the full motive behind that game advancing content, no comments on any of the other people who are on Teachers wagon?"

This earns scum points for Spartan as he - as stated before - calls out Salad for not investing in game related content while defensively replying to pressure.
Saladman's Lynch on Spartan is nai for me as of now. Going over rest of game soon

I don't think acting defensively to an Anti-Town accusation seems Scum. He self-voted for reactions and got them. This sounds a lot like Dong's argument, which I don't like either.

The way I see Dong currently is actually a townlean. I do not believe their read on teacher is fabricated to be false; Dong's reluctance to back down on a read they find to be correct to them is townie in my book. Scum Dong wouldnt want to keep a read that is obviously drawing them negative attention, especially if they believe they are furthering pro town activity at this point.

But his reason is based heavily on meta, which makes it very flawed. A lot of the board agrees that anyone's reaction to being vote L-1 would be panic. Wouldn't scum want to out a very active player anyways?


Beside that:
I'm guessing my vote got transferred to G1mmick, so i'll unvote now, since a lot of the my previous reasons are void now.

UNVOTE: Gimm1ck

[GeorgeBailey]

Why the fuck is everyone calling him Spartman?

The Infection

....

It's spreading!

[GeorgeBailey]

[*]¹Pushes - He voted Merfin's slot (Gimm1ck) which was ok and stuff, game was progressing, questions were being asked and so on, however, once Dong became a wagon, his mood changed... He started to attract attention off of Dong... There's 2 explanations in my opinion: 1. They're scumbuddies, simple as that; 2. They're Masons, interesting, but he should be more townie if so...
[*]²Calling my play scummy, but not scummy... Is it newbtown that plays a no lynch-D1? Is it newbscum that has such a play? I mean, whenever people want to point fingers, I want to see solid reasoning behind.

So far, I've put George at the bottom of my list because of his uncertainty...
He's fidgeting between pushes, he's not really jumping on a wagon... I don't do either, but I've explained my reason earlier and I stand by my word

I understand the D1 lynch meta now that I've studied the forum and would like to join in, however, that would turn me into a "scum" for not backing-up my play.

[1]- I defended Dong because I think Teacher's reasons aren't sufficient for a lynch (I told teacher in post 202).

[2] - I just think that you shouldn't get "Town Points" just because you made a mistake that probably both NewbScum and NewbTown would make.

I'll admit, I defended Dong a little too much, so i'm gonna wait until Dong's back from V/LA to voice their opinion, then vote. (Probably Salad, but I want to wait and see.)

Not a fan of Aaron's RVS not because of his flavor but his readiness to justify his flavor / reactions to people saying it was too much (post 22/24)

RVS is simply random, and it looked like Aaron was having fun with his flavor. This seems like a huge stretch. I think G1mmick raised some interesting points, but I really don't see the case against Aaron.

[GeorgeBailey]

@Gimm1ck

Is it intentional that you're still voting for Spartan?

If so, why?

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm conflicted between voting

Salad

or

Dong

.

Salad has done some interesting plays that stand out, and Dong seems quiet. Dong's accusation against teacher felt too meta, and a bit of a reach.

And Gimm1ck (still voting for Spartan, no reason specified) has been making strange pot-shots at Aaron.

I guess the choice is to either join Teacher's wagon or Spartan's wagon. Since I really don't want a d1 no-lynch

And I think I trust the people on Teacher's wagon more. I still can't really tell what Yoda's alignment is. But i'm pretty sure Aaron is town.

So, sorry m80.

VOTE: Dongempire

After this, I believe Dong is at

L-2

[GeorgeBailey]

I was defending dong against teacher's "contradiction". And i'm not comfortable joining a wagon of people I don't trust. The wagon on Spartan right now has me a lot more worried though.

[GeorgeBailey]

Agreed w/you on Spartan. I again think the three of us need to get together.

Dong>Salad>George>Gimm1ck for me.

Damn, more sus that Gimm1ck? And Chibiie doesn't even make the list?

[GeorgeBailey]

Isn't Dong at L-2 now, since Aaron changed his vote?

Also, I only defended Dong because I didn't like Teacher's claim. That's it.

[GeorgeBailey]

I'm voting for Dong for a few reasons, mainly the inactivity. I stated in earlier posts that I wanted to hear from him, before I jumped on a wagon.

And

@Georgie im back from v/la, so if you're not voting me based ön that feel free to. Im having a hard time approaching the game is all.

was my response.

I find the fact I can’t get this wagonned, despite this

apathy

I pretty much share Teacher's view. It felt like there was no defense, no reply, not really anything.

I feel like Dong would have a better explanation on the use of his own words.

I even said that I wanted to hear Dong out first. Which is why I held off on voting them.

i'm gonna wait until Dong's back from V/LA to voice their opinion, then vote. (Probably Salad, but I want to wait and see.)

It was pretty much either Salad, Gimm1ck, or Dong. I'm definitely not voting Gimm1ck, because

A) Lynching a Replacement so early feels shitty,
B) I don't believe the board generally agrees he's sus, so it'd be a time waster.

and I didn't vote Salad because I trust the people on Dong's wagon a lot more.

@Teacher & @Aaron, what do you guys think on how easily people are voting for dong, without any real conviction or reasoning and just seem to be following the herd, feels like scum are just happy to jump an inactive potential townie lynch

Even though this wasn't directed at me, I still want to answer it.

The three people who recently voted Dong were:

Yoda,
Salad,
Me.

Yoda stated throughout the game, that he found Dong at the bottom of his list, so that shouldn't really be a surprise.

My bottom 3 are Dong(maybe), Salad(more than likely), George(more than likely).

I just stated my reasons. So in my opinion, it feels like Salad is the only one who's taking advantage here. Aaron's reasons are also alike mine too, the weird meta reason to vote Teacher didn't make much sense. I defended it because Teacher thought there was some weird contradiction in it, when the argument itself was enough to criticize.

[GeorgeBailey]

I think the general lack of posts lately (for me at least), was the anticipation of Dong's defense. When I joined a wagon, I thought that would elicit a response from Dong. (Also the fact that the weekend just ended).

[GeorgeBailey]

Dongempire

is conditionally

townie

only for the reason I posted above.

The way I see

Dong

currently is actually a

townlean

.

I’m chill w/

dong

being hammered if they dont respond

Personally, I think this flip stands out more. You vote for Salad, but don't defend Dong? You've said since the replacement you think he's Town.

[GeorgeBailey]

My bottom 3 are Dong(maybe), Salad(more than likely), George(more than likely).

Come to think of it, why did you put Dong on your Scum list?

@YodaVader

I don't think you've ever specified your reason.

[GeorgeBailey]

Damn, you guys called out Merfin as PR pretty damn early.

How tf...