Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

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Hi I’m chennisden but you can call me obvtown

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VOTE: correspondence

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HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS GAME?

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Sorry will catch up soon, I reallly wanna play but this game started right as I’m moving country

chennis, VLA until Wednesday evening

Noted.

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God Norwegian are you just always scummy or are you actually scum this game?

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VOTE: mutant

Kinda doubt that joey and Titus are the same alignment based on their interactions around the bottom of p2 into p3

Pisskop comes across better than mutant in this

Was initially reading pk v mutant as SvS and I still think it maybe could be

Dong is striking a weirdly conciliatory tone here which I don’t/do like

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I love when I get turn up into a thread and town has already caught scum and then scum just spends their time confirming it

Titus/pk town

joey/mutant scum

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I think Menalque randed scum this game D:

Based on ruby? I can see that but you’re wrong this time

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If this flips town we’re doing you tomorrow norway

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I think Menalque randed scum this game D:

Based on ruby? I can see that but you’re wrong this time

You are ruby?

I am mena

Ruby is a game creature and I played together where my entrance was similar to my entrance here but turned up about 10 notches so I can see why he might think my entrance here is reminiscent of my scum game

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Prove?

As if I make this little effort as scum

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Oh well, good chamces tomorrow will be TvTvT

Why?

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God Norwegian are you just always scummy or are you actually scum this game?

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U never answered me Norway

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Going from 97 to 220 in ~10 ISO posts is how I’m defining it this game

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Yeah I don’t really care about that now, how did you go from 97 to 220?

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What were the posts that made you change your opinion?

Why is there no evidence in your ISO of a shift of opinion before you come in and hammer?

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U never answered me Norway

Just like you never answered me.

Shh some of us are sorting atm

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U never answered me Norway

Just like you never answered me.

What was it I didn’t answer btw?

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Pk comes across better because I hated hated hated your initial reason for voting him

Things seemed to escalate fast from the initial posts whereas I would expect town to be more unsure/trying to sort the other

Displaying intense reactions from the beginning is imo more likely to come from scum than town gradually reaching the point of strong reactions

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What were the posts that made you change your opinion?

Why is there no evidence in your ISO of a shift of opinion before you come in and hammer?

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What have you learned from people’s reactions then?

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Pk comes across better because I hated hated hated your initial reason for voting him

So your opinion had nothing to do with our interactions thereafter? Because that's not what the context or phrasing of your post would suggest. I'm also sure that I don't need to explain why ignoring proceeding events is a terrible way of forming opinions.

Did you read my post? I said initially I thought it might be SvS clearly as time went on I thought your content was worse and pk’s was better

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Don't feel any pressure to answer that, the only conversations we really need to be having right now are the ones with mutant - giving reads might just give scum information on who to nominate

PEDIT: referring to norwegianboy @ menalque

Also do feel pressure to answer that Norwegian because I will turbolynch you next chance I get whether it’s tomorrow or two days time if I don’t get any answers

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How does giving reads influence who scum nominate? There’s so much WIFOM there that it’s not gonna be useful until later imo

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VOTE: norwegian

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What have you learned from people’s reactions then?

Sheeping Awoo's thoughts on this one.

Wanna answer it now that we have the nominees

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inb4 scum are pisskop, Menalque and Dongempire.

Intrestin

Talk to me about pk and dong

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I think dong could very well be scum tbh

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I don’t particularly think that pk is

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You might want to PM the daystart to everyone.

Well well, how interesting.
Do scum have to pick a scum member while nominating or can they nominate 3 townies?

This seemed really lamist and I don’t think dong is necessarily a subtle player who’d avoid doing something so out there

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IMO we should flip correspondence, i dont expect any good content coming from them

This is badposting

Either they come back and provide content albeit in their own unique way

Or they don’t and we get a replacement

Either way they’re probably the laziest/worst slot to lynch of the three

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inb4 scum are pisskop, Menalque and Dongempire.

Well i cant really be teamed with pisskop here, yes?

I guess from the three i'd be least insulted to lose correspondence. As you said its mutants top three scumreads but i dont think titus is scum and i have to consider norwegian.

Why not? As in why can’t you be teamed with pisskop?

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You might want to PM the daystart to everyone.

Well well, how interesting.
Do scum have to pick a scum member while nominating or can they nominate 3 townies?

This seemed really lamist and I don’t think dong is necessarily a subtle player who’d avoid doing something so out there

Didnt want to bring up meta but this is something i do in all my games, most of them town. I usually dont see a point in asking a question i know the answer to. I can give you some examples of times i did that and flipped town.

Also the jurys still out on the question but it seems like all it stands to do is draw ire. Fine by me.

Yes if you could link games where you did this and flipped town it would be useful

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Hmm, do you actually SR me creature? If so why? Actually even if you don’t why?

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Hmm, do you actually SR me creature? If so why?

You look somewhat passive. Thought you'd be more on as town.

Eh, I overgamed accidentally and tbh this game is just less interesting than some of the others

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No, correspondence votes are bad votes

How are we not understanding this

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Yes, so vote Norwegian

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mod can we get prods on PMysterious and woo

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pls and thank

correspondence is a bad vote because Norwegian's hammer was gross and we should just lynch that while he's in the pool rather than worrying about it on later days, plus correspondence hasn't done shit in a week so voting there is an incredibly lazy lurker vote when we should be waiting for a replacement to actually make some content

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are you suggesting that you and Norway are locktown? or just using that as an example?

because if you're actually suggesting that then lmao

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I’m blue badadeedabadoo

VOTE: titus

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also I think that’s L-1

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oh no wait it’s nightless, that’s L-2

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I actually think titus is more likely to flip scum rn than Norway although Norway is still bad he could just be generally bad here

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Why are they bad?

Because we have TvTvT wagons?

You think so? What is your poe outside the pool?

pisskop?
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Dongempire?
PMysterious?

Helloooo?

I don’t really have one yet

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Hmm, creature could be scum here

This will be a deeply boring 1v1 that i guess I’ll prob lose if he is

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Creature I can’t tell how genuine your SR on me is but I think you’re trying to marginalise me atm

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Also you’re active here in a way that I haven’t seen you be before and I think I’ve only played with town!you so far so that’s kinda pinging me too

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By which I mean I think you’re trying to control the game here and I don’t think I’ve seen you do that as town

Where can I find a couple of recent scumgames of yours?

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If we have t v t v t wagons, Correspondence is still the best vote because he isn't playing.

No, he's likely the most lynchable option here and I don't think scum would set him up for that. I'd rather wait someone fill that empty slot.

If we're going to lynch someone, it will be someone we need to sort to proceed the game, so you or Norwegian.

So basically scum lurk and trying gets punished. Good to know.

So I think there’s reasonable chances they’re just all town

But this had very “caught for the wrong reason” vibes

And I can see titus being confident enough that she wouldn’t be lynched over either of Norwegian or correspondence to take a chance on nominating herself

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Yeah I don't think the theory that you are the designated mislynch target holds any weight when correspondence is in the pool, and was voted on by both of you.

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Stop flirting with me awoo, I’m easily pocketed

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Checking through, and with the votes, all of them were on the Mutant wagon, which was the main central focus for this game day.

Norweigian, hammered without mentioning intent, which bothers me. I have a few questions I have brought up in the past, so I'll get to those when I get the chance to look through them. Apologies for not posting in a while otherwise.

This is a scumpost

I kinda don’t care who we lynch today so long as we lynch this tomorrow

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Can we get

Some more votes

On titus pls

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I don’t think there’s anyway town!titus sees that post from PM and doesn’t call it out as scummy

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Awoo what do you think of titus, PM, dong as a solve

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Yeah maybe

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Pro tip: mod won’t see it if it’s not in

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Now I understand how town felt during large normal 222.

Hmm-mm?

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Important Q: does anyone seriously think that PM is not scum here?

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Awoo what do you think of titus, PM, dong as a solve

I'm sorry I doubted you

It’s okay I forgive you

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Ive seen scum PM and I am thinking hes town

Do people tell you your reads are bad a lot?

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PM’s entire ISO is literally him describing the game and trying to look like he’s doing stuff while avoiding meaningful solving

It is not a town ISO

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Hi everyone!

I'm a little busy tonight but

I'll read the game and try to give some thoughts ASAP,

hopefully at least one post within the next 4-5 hours. Then I'll be around all day tomorrow. In the meantime if there's any major/important events you'd like me to give thoughts on after catchup, let me know

this went well

did u make the one post in the scum PT instead of here by accident?

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awoo how do you feel about joey atm?

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are you an alt suji?

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Does anybody strongly think scum!Norwegian boy would also nom himself with scum!Titus against a lurk slot? I agree the intent-hammer sequence was bad and the way he pivoted from voting my slot to voting Titus didn't feel super real but end of the day I have to think it's most likely that there's two town in this first pool

I mean, not strongly but I've considered it

like they figure they can both push the inactive and do some distancing, but that worst case scenario Norwegian prob goes over Titus bc of the hammer and then Titus gets locktowned by everyone because ScUm WoULdn'T PuT tWo PeOpLe iN tHe lYnChpOoL

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also I mixed your replacement up with suji's lol

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why do you TR joey?

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are you an alt suji?

No. I am familiar with the site though. A friend invited me to play here.

Oh shit, okay, I thought I’d seen you before

Can you say which friend it was?

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Ok. I finished reading through. My internet went out halfway through so I am phone posting right now. Of the nominees, this is where I’m at.

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GuiltyLion
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I have a full read list but I don’t think I want to post it just yet (plus it’s on my computer).

Also why don’t you wanna post your full reads?

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See the big brain play is to nom all the scum

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I TR Joey mainly for 221. I don't think scum would go through that level of effort for towncred from WKing a nearly-lynched slot. Timing was genuine too as he was clearly working on that pre-hammer

Okay I dig this

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Awoo
GuiltyLion
Joey

Creature
Pk

Norwegian
Suki
Titus

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Wait am I missing someone

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Oh I forgot PM lol

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Awoo
GuiltyLion
Joey

Creature
Pk

Norwegian

Suji
Titus
PM

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Stronger on the order in my townreada than my scumreads

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Ok. I finished reading through. My internet went out halfway through so I am phone posting right now. Of the nominees, this is where I’m at.

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I have a full read list but I don’t think I want to post it just yet (plus it’s on my computer).

Also why don’t you wanna post your full reads?

I think how this nomination phase plays out could impact it quite a bit. Plus, it’s on my computer, and I don’t feel like typing it out in my phone.

Why can’t you let us know where your head is at now?

It’s not really benefitting us as town to not see your thought process

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Yeah that was all I was looking for

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That’s a v convenient readslist

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Looking forward to seeing the reasons

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What do you mean it’s convenient?

you're town reading all of the common town reads and scum reading the two other popular scum reads other than you

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yo awoo quick check do you have any reads that are different from mine?

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oh norwegian, right

kinda answered my question a lil preemptively there pal

other than Norwegian do we have any differences?

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I just think pk is kinda more null than anything

I wouldn't be surprised if he flipped scum this game (he's been v different to the only game I've played with him before?) but I don't think he's been actively scummy, although I should prob reread his ISO around D1

I'm at the same place you are re: creature

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I do think it's weird how hard it's proving to lynch Titus

I think there's two main theories from a gamestate perspective (maybe three actually)

(1) scum isn't where I think it is and they're happy for the game to trickle slowly in the direction of lynching Titus, scum already on wagon (unlikely, 1 conftown, 1 strong TR)

(2) scum is hoping that the wagon moves off but is afraid to try and derail it hard because then it's a two scum for the price of one kinda deal. in conjunction with that, game has been slow bc scum are unsure whether bussing is the right move or not.

(3) we've got an all town set and my reads are off, and scum doesn't wanna take the lead on anyone because they wanna push tomorrow (possible, but I'm not sure scum get enough mislynches out of this without becoming obvscum for it to be worth it)

so I'm leaning two as the most probable theory

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I prefer nEE tho @awoo

The point is that no one actively objects to titus, yet titus has like... 3 votes?

Are you saying it's weird Titus doesn't have more votes or it's weird that nobody objects to Titus?

it's weird Titus doesn't have more votes IF no-one objects to Titus

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correct me if you meant it differently awoo

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are you an alt suji?

No. I am familiar with the site though. A friend invited me to play here.

Oh shit, okay, I thought I’d seen you before

Can you say which friend it was?

you know that if you're not gonna answer this then just tell me and I'll stop bringing it up

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If you disagree with my reads, feel free to say so and where you disagree. If you don't, then I'm glad we're aligned.

how long did it take you to read the game suji? ballpark figure?

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If you disagree with my reads, feel free to say so and where you disagree. If you don't, then I'm glad we're aligned.

how long did it take you to read the game suji? ballpark figure?

About an hour and a half.

how long was your internet out for suji?

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Yeah, I mean I'm going down the playerlist, and I don't think anyone is NOT OK with titus getting lynched today.

Awoo: voting titus

Joey_: "Honestly I don't really mind lynching either Titus or nEE" 552, but prefers nEE

Norwegian: voting titus

Guiltylion: "I'm on board with scum!Titus" 520
Creature: "I could see Titus and PM being scum together." 500
Suji: Titus at the bottom of his readslist

Menalque: voting titus

PMysterious: prefers norwegianboy, "Titus, I'm mixed on." 492, voting norwegianboy

pisskop: was voting titus, currently ???

Red is voting titus

Orange has called titus scum

Yellow is prefers norwegianboy, but doesn't object to titus

What's up with this, eh?

That's a strong indicator I'm town and this was rigged by scum.

go on

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yeah, basically this:


starts catch up at 9:49am site time

Ok. That was fun. I'm going to catch up now.

Ok. I finished reading through. My internet went out halfway through so I am phone posting right now. Of the nominees, this is where I’m at.

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GuiltyLion
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I have a full read list but I don’t think I want to post it just yet (plus it’s on my computer).

Ok. I finished reading through. My internet went out halfway through so I am phone posting right now. Of the nominees, this is where I’m at.

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GuiltyLion
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I have a full read list but I don’t think I want to post it just yet (plus it’s on my computer).

Also why don’t you wanna post your full reads?

I think how this nomination phase plays out could impact it quite a bit. Plus, it’s on my computer, and I don’t feel like typing it out in my phone.

finished reading through here at 11:04am site time (less than an hour and a half but it's ballpark so okay)

but reads are apparently on computer here and so these are just the brief notes

I can provide a list like you did, but I’m not typing out my reasons why on my phone.

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pisskop

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PMysterious
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posts the same list that's fleshed out with reasons later

but if your internet was out for about two and a half hours, and you were reading for an hour and 15 minutes, how did you manage to format all the posts/links for all your reads?

alternative theory: you gave a reads list that would line up with what you thought the game was, then later on you went through and made up reasons for why people where in the spots they were in

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so it's suji, PM, and prob Titus but maybe someone else

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Or, I keep notes in a word document and know basic bb code.

okay, and if you flip green I'll apologise

I'll admit idk you so maybe you would do this

but I don't think most people would read through the game on their phone while simultaneously writing their notes into a word doc on their computer

I think they'd just wait to get internet back and do it on the computer

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Or, I keep notes in a word document and know basic bb code.

okay, and if you flip green I'll apologise

I'll admit idk you so maybe you would do this

but I don't think most people would read through the game on their phone while simultaneously writing their notes into a word doc on their computer

I think they'd just wait to get internet back and do it on the computer

Some people who likes to replace-in does, its often people who enjoy reading through a lot of content. I personally think you are off mark and diggin the wrong hole, you should investigate his content not the posting and whatnot. He could easily lie in his answers if he was mafia, so using his answers to try to prove he lied is uh.. counter productive.

I mean his content isn't great but why should I limit myself to that?

it's p simple

either you believe that suji read through the game on his phone while writing up a readslist in a word document with BBcode correctly formulated all at the same time and in an hour and a half of solid work

or

you believe that that's a fucking mental thing for someone to do, suji lied about where his reads were at but had to give them anyway because he was being asked to, and then had to come up with justifications later that fit a readslist that was highly convenient for where the professed reads of others were at the time

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That's a strong indicator I'm town and this was rigged by scum.

Reads like scum giving up. WHO MAFIA?

preach

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I do think it's weird how hard it's proving to lynch Titus

BTW I can spin that logic to nEE about how hard its to flip a scum-claimed slot who openwolfed d1

well, that's simple

Norwegian would be a hell of a lot easier to lynch tomorrow than Titus

like, if this is Titus!sucm, and I'm feeling pretty good that it is, then she's gonna be a fucking nightmare to do if she's not in the lynchpool most probably

if we're wrong on Titus/(PM, suji) Norway becomes a good option to lynch before lylo (assuming 3 scum this game)

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@joey why do you think I wanted to speak to suji live rather than when he was able to go and think about shit? to see what his natural, unfiltered responses were

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why are you so keen to defend this slot when you're saying at the same time that your reads have "historically [have] been much more wrong on her than anything"

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@joey why do you think I wanted to speak to suji live rather than when he was able to go and think about shit? to see what his natural, unfiltered responses were

Okay and I am telling you his bb answer was pretty darn pristine timing wise

okay, what's the alternative answer if you're scum there?

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you pushing Norway right as we're trying to build consensus around getting votes on Titus is almost by definition a defense of Titus

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why, if it's obvious that's the route I'm going down, doesn't scum just role with it and try to beat me at my own game?

if you're scum and you try to avoid/deflect/afk that shit and you're already vulnerable (which he was) then there's very little incentive not to try and play along because if it goes well it might shake the SR on you, and if you fuck it then hey, you were already being SR

you're approaching that in a really surface level way

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why, if it's obvious that's the route I'm going down, doesn't scum just role with it and try to beat me at my own game?

if you're scum and you try to avoid/deflect/afk that shit and you're already vulnerable (which he was) then there's very little incentive not to try and play along because if it goes well it might shake the SR on you, and if you fuck it then hey, you were already being SR

you're approaching that in a really surface level way

Thats a good take. Do you feel like suji beat you at your own game? Also your whole push is not even trying to determine Suji's alignement, but his posting; you assume that if he lied about his posting and he's mafia.

The thing is, he could also very well have posted the exact way he said he did and still be scum.

That being said, IMO is answer is, again, unbelievable from someone not already using BB for mafia read stuff since again. I doubt he would've think about it, even dozen of minutes prior of outing that.

Like his answer is basically the golden ratio of "logical enough to make sens as an answer" & "out there enough that scum wouldn't think about it".

"you're approaching that in a really surface level way" and you are making a cake out of sand

no, I think suji fucked up while trying to beat me at my own game and said some shit that doesn't make sense

I'm saying that if he lied about his having a written out readslist developed when he said he did, and actually he just had some reads from skimming the last few pages and reading the overall state -- that he then later fleshed out and came up with reasons for -- I'm saying that's scum indicative

I'm literally not sure what you're saying in the bolded bit

your golden ratio point is one of the only reasons why I'm wondering if he's not scum after all fwiw

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yeah, basically, but that wasn't me confirming him as scum

I'll admit, there is a possibility I'm confident!biasing here

I thought dong had slightly higher than average scum equity, and I thought the readslist was very political in terms of not wanting to rock the boat

I think there is good reason to believe that a highly political readslist is somewhat more likely to come from someone who doesn't want to upset anyone, ie. someone playing survivalistically, which is exactly what I'd expect someone new to the forums and replacing into a SR slot to be wanting to do

so yes, I was leaning him scum -- the whole purpose of my questioning was to test that assumption. if I had applied pressure and had received better answers about how that readslist came about, I would have changed my read. as it is, the response I got makes me think it is particularly likely that he's scum

the point is not whether a convenient list

can

be from town, it's about probability. and my experience says that's more often from scum ESPECIALLY newbie scum

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okay, so we disagree about the answers

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okay, what town purposes might he have been lying or exaggerating for? because the vast majority of the time, lying or exaggerating is not something that benefits town

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NGL joey, if I'm wrong somewhere and suji flips scum you're looking

real

good for partners right about now

the fact that you seem really keen to encourage thinking about what might be possible regarding suji rather than what's likely is a big fat scumping for me

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yeah the main problem for me is if you do just approach the game completely differently or if you're intentionally doing this to try and protect a buddy

if you are town I'll prob get to there myself in the end, at the moment your mostly in my TRs by virtue of GL and awoo's TRs on you

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you may benefit from reading this if you want some insight into my perspective and why I consider probability to be maybe the most important thing in the game:

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... babilities

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We need some more titus votes HERE
We need some more titus votes HERE
There’s not enough votes and too many many scum
There’s not enough votes and too many many scum


Too many scum (we need some more votes in here), Skepta (2019)

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Starting to get a feeling that titus / norwegianboy is TvT, but if one of them was scum it would only be titus.

What’s giving you that vibe?

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VOTE: titus

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Awoo if titus flips scum what do you think of joey?

I personally think his scum equity goes way up, but I do think there was something towny in the way he was engaging with me over his defence of his method yestersay

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Why is that? I don’t understand why your TR on joey is so strong

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If it helps Titus I don’t wanna lynch you bc of your D1 I wanna lynch you bc of your D2

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chenn, could we get deadline countdowns in the VCs pls?

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Somehow I am starting to lean that GL might be the best flip, somehow. My guts says both titus/nEE are town meh

I saw this, and now I'm curious. If you think GL is the best flip, then explain a few things.

1. For everyone voting Titus, explain why you think Titus is town.

2. For everyone voting NorwegianboyEE (like me), explain why you think Norway is town.

3. If you think GuiltyLion is the best lynch, then why aren't you voting him yourself?

I don’t think titus is town

But I think her play today has been terrible

The push on correspondence felt really off to me because I don’t understand why you’d wanna hardpush that early not wait for a replacement

Then she’s also just been v absent in a way that I think is kinda scum indicative, but I do need to check something there

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Jesus Christ this game

Why if you’re not voting titus or Norwegian, are you not voting titus or Norwegian

@anyone that applies to

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Take a stance, my god

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If you’re town and you’re not doing shit concretely then you’re actively making this game harder because there’s a shitload less to read on you which is gonna make it harder to sort you vs scum later

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Jesus Christ this game

Why if you’re not voting titus or Norwegian, are you not voting titus or Norwegian

@anyone that applies to

And GL can't be scum because?

I keep feeling you're deflecting away from GL.

Considering that there are no votes on GL, maybe he considers any future vote on GL to be considered a wasted vote? It would make sense, but it still is a problem.

I don’t understand what you mean by “it’s still a problem”

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Jesus Christ this game

Why if you’re not voting titus or Norwegian, are you not voting titus or Norwegian

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And GL can't be scum because?

I keep feeling you're deflecting away from GL.

Stop trying to deflect the focus on you. If you have an actual case on GL here let’s see it. Stop trying to shade me.

The conversation is about lynching you or Norwegian and I think my other actual TRs also think GL is more likely town

The fact that you keep painting everything I’m doing as political rather than considering where it’s coming from makes me think you’re not meaningfully engaging with my content and I think that’s scum indicative

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Considering we get 4 more lynches, two of which are going to be on town, I'm not seeing a path to win this game

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Also I think we get less than 4

So worst case scenario 7:3 today —> lynch town —> 6:3 tomorrow D3 —> lynch town —> 5:3 D4 —> lynch town —> 4:3 D5 but if we nislynch in lylo they can submit an all town list on D6 and win so long as they get the player they want to 3 votes before we get on of theirs to three

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if Titus flips red then PM/joey seems like an increasingly good solve

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if she flips green imma have to reread this entire game which isn't gonna be fun

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hmm

we're at that point where I'm not sure if the apathy is indicative of a mislynch or of scum feeling caught

Titus, I can't remember when you get back, but if you're town can you tell me where you think scum is? (beyond saying that it's just me obviously)

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Not liking Norwegian, Sujimuchi and Menalque rn

go on

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Okay I’m not reresding cause I was busy today but I did ISO titus yesterday and concluded there was nothing really there to make me think that she wa town and to want to flip the lynch

I still think good odds of this flipping scum but don’t have time to go into the reasons rn

I’ll try to tomorrow if we’re still lynching by plurality

I think the fact that we have two wagons competing this hard is prob scum indicative tho

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Inb4 “Menalque is setting up a mislynch train!”

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Lmao I’m amazing

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Actually I’m not sure if I’m TRing awoo now

Need to double check but this could mean that the late day switch off was an attempt to deflect that would then have seemed too obvious

Why do you TL joey, suji?

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Also why do you SL creature?

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This makes me strongly want to lynch joey ftr

Like I’ll talk it out and I need to iso him but I think their associatives are bad from memory

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Also why do you SL creature?

He was off the Titus lynch, is shading all players I think to be town, and has not contributed much other than that recently.

I don’t think that’s out of the ordinary for creature thh, and I don’t think it’s v AI for him

Wanna sort there as day goes on

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VOTE: joey

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titus was bussed by at least one person..guilty springs to kind.

due to me not reading the majority of the day i have no other reads.

but guilty looks like hot ass

VOTE: guiltylion

Go on

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GL town
suji

Awoo townlean

Norway null
Creature
Pk

PM scumlean

joey scum

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That’s where I’m at for now

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Need to reread PM to decide if I SR or SL them, I feel like the way their slot is coming under pressure means that they could be town but not sure

Awoo still up in TL because I remember agreeing with them a lot throughout D2

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Was having a couple of days off site, back now,

Catch up + content coming later

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who's down for a pisskop lynch today?

VOTE: pk

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I think there is a scum in (creature, pk)

my patience is kind of gradually wearing thinner with creature but I prefer pk at the moment

empty ISO + I dislike the GL push

pedit: feel somewhat better about creature

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spicy

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Sorry I ended neglecting this game

what are your current reads? ideally with some sort of reasoning behind them but I'll take a naked list

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groovy bro, tell me more

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that's a banana not a list

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sure.
for one you're engaging with what looks like town critter

okay, why? esp as creature has been vocal iirc about having changed the way he plays and his old meta not being so valid any more

for two disinterest from me is more like a town tell than not

okay cool, why should I believe this?

and three I _was_ the titus charge.

i think i tred you, soni expect some actual dialogue instead of actually allowing the stagnant gamestate to affect your decisions, but maybe i overestimate you as a player

how were you the Titus charge?

also it's funny because I'm pretty sure scum has used incredibly similar lines to that before when I've been barking up the right tree so it's not really helping you to pull the "I thought you were better" card

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scum do

VOTE: titus

moar on titus kthnx

Im online for most of the rest of the night.

Mostly think guilty is making a fairly town entrance. more indifferent to suja, but thats not a bad thing per se.

titus is a good lynch, and i do intend to revote there. i unvoted because of circumstance more than anything else. 2 replacements and i was out in meatspace since saturday night.

VOTE: titus
feel disappoint w/lion

I kinda want to vote Norwegian boy just to make two L-2 wagons and force pisskop and Creature to take a real stand

but I'd definitely rather Titus lynched today

Then vote on that. youre not impressing me.

this is not leading a charge

I'll grant that you voted her first and that does make me slightly feel better about you

but how is this leading a charge from your pov?

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and that's all your D2 posts that relate to actively trying to push Titus/get more votes on Titus that I could see

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Jesus Christ this game

Why if you’re not voting titus or Norwegian, are you not voting titus or Norwegian

@anyone that applies to

And GL can't be scum because?

I keep feeling you're deflecting away from GL.

also you think was distancing then pk?

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Jesus Christ this game

Why if you’re not voting titus or Norwegian, are you not voting titus or Norwegian

@anyone that applies to

And GL can't be scum because?

I keep feeling you're deflecting away from GL.

lion is scummy as shit

r u actually gonna give me any reads creature

do u have any

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I think GL is quite town

I think he prob could have deflected the Titus wagon without too much difficulty being late so that fact that she flipped red is + town equity for him

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I have a wagon that seems more juicy than your pisskop wagon though, but not sure if you will agree on me.

talk to me

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I may be interested

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that's an interesting dish

how about you describe the way it's gonna taste to me

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can you not see the image Norway?

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lemme reread the ISO

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VOTE: suji

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what do you think about awoo?

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you're not worried by the last minute "maybe we should do Norwegian oh wait no actually we should do Titus" thing?

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pk what do you think about awoo?

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My ideas are as follows:

1. Suji - norwegianboy make sense as mafia partners, both suji and predecessor read norwegianboy as null
2. Based on how I'm feeling right now, I'm starting to really sympathize with titus erratic gameplay making me feel more town towards her,
3. Lynching norwegianboy today, even if he flips town, makes it easier to work together with my townreads on the wagon in the future, specifically day 3 where we actually get to choose a lynch,
4. because I don't want norwegianboy lynched on an odd numbered day, that would be a waste, furthermore,
5. I expect this game to go into LYLO at 7 players because I'm a pessimist, and leaving norwegianboy alive indefinitely might cause us to lose the game if he's town,
6. because this bad d1 hammer thing is never going to go away.
7. So unless menalque is right and the entire scumteam is pushing for norwegianboy's lynch,
8. which I said in my last post doesn't make sense to me,
9. nine
10. there's higher density of scum on the titus wagon,
11. uhhhh
12. yeah

im town and look at me

I am available to chat too

you get what I'm talking about or nah

The other thing about titus is that while she lacks a convincing towncase (something you can see me trying to desperately find), I don't expect her to be a super popular push in the future, since a lot of the wagoners on her required *extensive encouragement* to even place a vote. The other thing is there isn't a convincing towncase for norwegianboy. Sad that his latest post feels bad too.

VOTE: norwegianboyEE

Titus says the reluctance to lynch meant she was being shaded by scum, you guys say its because shes scum.

So I think where I'm at, and I think where most of us conversing are at is that if we are TvTvT, the best lynch is norwegianboy, and if we are TvTvS, the most likely S is titus.

UNVOTE:

^ That unvote is a vote on titus in spirit.

@Guiltylion, this game doesn't have no-lynches, a 5-5 tie would be broken by whichever wagon got to 5 first. Before I unvoted, that would be norwegianboy, but now that I unvoted it would be titus if I was to revote.

Declaring intent to hammer titus once I go to bed and wake up, which could be as soon as 10 hours.

Seems like I waited for nothing, but okay.

VOTE: titus

this is what I was talking about re: awoo

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also creature your new avi is incredibly fucking bleak can u go back to totodile pls

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Lol yeah suji is scum

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Solid catch creature

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I'm not though. I fail to see how asking for clarification on a broad point as to why I am scum so that it can be discussed (or at least a more specific stance can be made) is scummy.

The fact that you chose to engage with that particular point

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I'm not though. I fail to see how asking for clarification on a broad point as to why I am scum so that it can be discussed (or at least a more specific stance can be made) is scummy.

The fact that you chose to engage with that particular point

As opposed to pisskop's point of "Suji is either bad at mafia or mafia" or your point of "Look at the entirety of Suji's posting...scum"? Yes, I chose the point that was most likely to have an actual basis behind it.

Or you went for the easiest thing to try and defend yourself against because it’s easier to nitpick over being strategic than it is to engage with trying to defend your overall posting when you know it’s bad

Or to call me or pk or creature out on SRing you but instead you’re nitpicking one small detail of it

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I hope that pisskop and creature are both town, that would be sick.

UNVOTE:

What changed about your read on PM?

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Hmm

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Why’d you hammer PM, awoo?

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VOTE: awoo

Feel like this is prob 3 town but I have more concerns about awoo than TSE rn

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It is kind of a weird selection tho

Like I don’t get why you’d put me in when I don’t think I’m ever getting lynched this game

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What are your thoughts on awoo, GL?

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Also I don’t really get your post there

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I’ll think about it, idk, I was starting to tr creature before he repped out and I was having doubts about awoo

I would lean this as 3 town tho, bc I think it would be bold for scum to put me in a situation where I have a 50/50 chance of pushing scum after getting titus

So if I’m working on that basis, the most interesting question is actually probably : what does this mean for suji’s alignment?

Specifically, is suji the kind of player to prolong their own death by one day by not putting themselves in the lynch pool (which would be v WIFOMy) or the type of player who realises that on a bigbrain level of makes more sense to put yourself in and roll with it than to not put yourself in and be lynxhed

Or this could be scum trying to set a mislynch for tonorrow. I need to think the game through

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I need to reread Norway too actually

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I think prob the whole team was on wagon yesterday so I’m still leaning doing awoo today bc if we do suji tomorrow then the redflip means the final would be in (joey, norway, GL)

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If I’m right then that means D4 (6:2) —> lynch awoo (5:2) —> D5 (5:2) —> lynch suji (5:1) —> D6 (5:1) —> lynch town (4:1) —> D7 (4:1) —> lynch joey if green (3:1) —> D8 interesting choice for scum here as to whether to be in lynch pool or not (3:1) —> lynch town (2:1) —> D9 3p lylo choosing between 2 scummy slots with a lot of WIFOM

Okay so it’s not as desirable as I’d hoped to narrow it down to 3 in the case of all town today plus lynching scum tomorrow

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I don’t think we can vote no lynch

chennis, pls confirm

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I don’t love that long post actually

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Are you an alt TSE?

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What’s your mafia experience like? Where else have you played?

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It’s totally relevant I just vary on whether I think it’s useful for town to know that I’m wondering about WIFOM or not. Specifically, answering that question (albeit a WIFOMy one) is prob the most important thing for winning the game imo

Norway = norwegianboy

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Pisskop what do you think about TSE’s reason for locktowning you?

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I wonder if TTS is erratic town or strategic scum

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ooOOOOOoooOOOOooooOOOooOOOOooo

inb4 it's you being cocky and meta open wolfing

I don't have a meta lol

There's basically no way I survive today so I am going to have as much fun as I want, thanks. Just saying menalque

could

be mafia, its just unlikely. Discard that thought if I get lynched today btw, that's a thought for today only. But more likely then me, because I have a green PM!

Also could you imagine if I actually nominated myself after hammering PM like that? Yikes!

I'm telling you, the only way that mafia is doing something smart today is if they're nominating scum!menalque while I'm the easy lynch, and I don't think they're ballsy enough to do that. Then again menalque is ballsy so he probably could. But realistically this is just the 3 towniest people in the game. Yes, I am townier then all of you. Read it and weep.

I was referring to 1141 not 1140 btw, suji is mafia being intentionally obtuse and I will continue to mock him as long as the two of us remain in the game for my personal amusement.

Strongly disliked this, the tone felt super dissonant with what I was kinda getting used to for awoo

And it seems especially weird to have the shift come when getting nominated? And also seems weird to be voting me over TSE

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Why’d you hammer PM, awoo?

Imma need an answer here awoo

I’m also gonna need you to explain the TSE townslipped in 1411 as we haven’t had 1411 posts yet

And also, honestly, I’m gonna need you to tell me if you think you’re a better player than me? Because right now I feel like you’re trying to set this up as “well I can’t vote for TSE bc he townslipped and so therefore I need to vote Menalque because I KNOW I’m town” which all just seems v convenient? Like I don’t see a townslip from TSE so this feels more like a way for you to justify voting me, and I think scum know that if they don’t get me today then they’re in deep shit

So tell me, do you think you have a better chance of solving the game than me and why?

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1141

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So is creature replacing out means hes scum?

Why would you come to that conclusion.
Also I was expecting to get something like VT, Citizen or Mafia Goon.
But I get Town so yeah know, no clue if I have abilities, so let me look at the rolelist here.

how is this a townslip

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why do you think that's a slip as opposed to faked?

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wait so it's not even bc you think that it was a natural reaction to seeing "you rolled town" in a role pm?

despite the town role PM being available in the opening posts

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awoo can you give me an up-to-date readslist pls?

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also do you see yourself getting back into this game like you were when we were jamming on D2 about how it was weird that Titus wasn't picking up more votes?

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I mean I think you're partly in the pool bc it makes me potentially push you and then you flipping town creates mild doubts about me for everyone else in the game

I think this lynchpool makes more sense (somewhat arrogantly, sure) if it's seen as putting me in a position where I have to push town which thereby weakens me slightly in terms of where I think I was pretty cast iron town

I still think I basically am but I can see why paranoia exists for you in terms of scum!me bringing you in to lynch you, but I think that paranoia is exactly why I wouldn't do it while I'm already looking this strong

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but then I think I do have more concerns about you over TSE!slot so I think I'd rather lynch you in an all town world

but if you think you're gonna get back into it I would consider doing TSE

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I've been transparently town the whole game?

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I don't like awoo's play from after we stopped jamming on Titus!Lynch

didn't like the hesitating on it end of D2

didn't like his progression around PM/suji on D3 followed by the "conscious hammer"

didn't particularly like things today which I think I've already highlighted, mostly that he's pushing a "town tell" that I don't think is actually a town tell, and that he's voting me

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I've been transparently town the whole game?

From page 5+ something, I voted you then fliped my read pretty quickly

NB: check this