Open 767: Nomination Mafia [Day 7]

[NorwegianboyEE]

9/11 confirmed lol.

[Mod edit: NorwegianBoy has been banned from the game. Not appropriate]

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m still here!

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: MutantDevle

Never!

[NorwegianboyEE]

HOW DO WE SOLVE THIS GAME?

By people actually talking hopefully.
Anyway there's not much to comment on atm so i suppose i'll need to create some content myself.
I don't really know anyone here other than Mutantdevle whom i've played mafia games with on another site. I hope he's actually town so we can play on the same side for once, i've had to make him my enemy for so many mafia games in the past. Mutant, plz be town.

Why would Titus and Dongo vote to lynch the cute cat Joey? Just why? :c

[NorwegianboyEE]

Apathetic town loses games. I played a 7p vengeance game lately and the activity in that game was bizzare. I was on a scum team with 2 afk dudes that never showed up. So the town quarreled a bit, until eventually nobody said anything. Then a guy said like 3 days later "i think *scum A* and *Scum B* is town, let’s vote *Town A* to which the town did, and then the game ended in mafia victory.
Moral of the story: don’t be a god damn lazy town. You signed up for a REASON!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mutant’s logic in voting for Pisskop is indeed stretching it. But that doesn’t make him scummy like Joey suggests. I think Mutant is just trying to create content for us so we can make a proper judgement about who’s acting scummy. The game is in too early of a stage for that vote to actually be serious.
UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

*Like Pisskop suggests.
Mixing mah names already.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pisskop’s reaction to the vote seemed a little bit too intense for my liking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pisskop is trying to encourage a wagon based on nothing but a overreaction to a vote. It's giving me some bad juju.
But Mutant's vote also seems to mirror my own scum play in a game we did together on the EE forums so i'm not sure how i feel about that either. (I voted someone, then used their reaction as a weapon to push their lynch further) But Mutant just unvoted so i'm leaning more towards it being a way to generate discussion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What began as a solid rvs wagon

Your case against Mutant obviously went beyond RVS at this point:

This needs votes, it's false, it's a sheepvote in RVS, it's tryhard, and its trying to blend in.

vote it with us, and see what comes.

Unless you're going to claim that you would stop the wagon at the last second, unvote, then deeply criticize the people that joined in on it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

ffs Im starting to get irritated by this game.

Why? Because your aggressive attempt at pushing a quicklynch didn't go so well?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Dont like post 97, its just piling onto PK without providing much in return.
What didnt you like about his push?

I've seen scum use the "but you're the one that took us out of RVS with your vote!" excuse before. Yet now Pisskop is claiming his entire push was an RVS wagon? Idk it just seems nonsensical to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Quite the unique rooster of characters in this game i gotta say.

Is the forum bugged for everyone else too? It takes a minute for each page to load for me on phone and pc

You're not alone there, it takes what feels like an eternity just to load another page. I was planning on looking back at all of the posts to see if i could come to any conclusion but now i have to twiddle my thumbs for 40 seconds every time i want to look at someone's god damn iso.

[NorwegianboyEE]

God Norwegian are you just always scummy or are you actually scum this game?

Well, from my brief history on this site i’ve been cursed at more times than you can imagine for being "hard to read" and one dude was adamant about lynching me because i could be a potential "liability in Lylo". Yet i usually end up nightkilled on day 1 funnily enough. I guess THAT showed them!

Hey, I joined this game because mutant and norwegianboy are in it, EE forums rise up!VOTE: mutantdevle

Wait what? Who are you?!

This is a nightless game. We get a say in every single player who dies. Mutant needs to go.
VOTE: mutantdevle

Because you see him as a threat to scum or because you believe he might be scum?
I actually find it sort of weird how spontaneous and easy the lynch turned against Mutant. Yes his initial post was bad, but would scum Mutant act so aggressive? From his meta i’d say he’s more reserved and hides in the shadows as scum.

Here's my defence of norwegianboy: If you read it without any knowledge of him, his ISO is completely embarrassing and terrible, but I've played with his town and scum games on and/or off this site, and this looks like his town play so far.

Source(s): Dude trust me

Dude, i came to this game to solve me some mafia, not to get freaking roasted.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Awoo, you’re Kira aren’t you?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mutant, why did you unvote Pisskop?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I love when I get turn up into a thread and town has already caught scum and then scum just spends their time confirming it

Can you explain what you mean in more detail?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I've held back my feelings towards him at this point, but Mutant does seem overly defensive in this game, i'd think he would start pointing fingers by now but he hasn't actually voted anyone. I'm starting to consider this quote:

Mutant is clearly trying to piss no one off.

I'm declaring intent. Will hammer Mutant if nothing new comes up.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What site is EE?

It's a forum for an entirely different game that eventually began hosting mafia games in the "forum games" section. Me, Mutant, Awoo and Creature are crawlouts that signed up for this site either recently or a long time ago, but we all have at least some or a lot of experience playing mafia games with each other on that site.
https://forums.everybodyedits.com/index.php

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Mutantdevle

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like I'm getting deja vu. I can't say why, because I don't know why.

Chances are, two of the 6 on the wagon for Mutant are scum at least. I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 of them were on this wagon. We can't really look at this tomorrow, since the Mafia have full reign over who can get put up for lynching, but Day 3, I'll look into this as a possible tool for figuring things out.

You’re wording this like you know Mutant’s flip beforehand.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mutant, the fact that you didn't vote for any of your scumreads or doing about anything to create a proper counterwagon didn't make a lick of sense to me. You made a reads posts and then seemingly left it at that. Titus's explanation of yourself being at L-1 but still not budging gave me some bad vibes about you, it seems like you're trying to set up shades and stuff for your inevitable lynch. So i had to make a choice here.

I'm NoNK.

Oh. You never actually play the mafia games at the EE forums, yet you're fine with playing on this site? A bit weird, but ok. I can believe that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Awoo your personality is so oddly different from how you usually act on the EE forums lol. You seem much more open, less jokey, like a real human being.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know what you define as "scummy" Menalque.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It would have to be from post 97 to post 123 from the context of that comment since that's when you initially asked it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It went from questioning the push against Mutant, to analyzing Mutant's reaction to the push and concluding that his focus on defending himself and shading rather than pushing his scumreads lines up with scummy behaviour.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Norwegianboy you haven't explained why you decided to only wait 7 hours between stating intent and then hammering.

Alright i will admit that i should have waited longer.
But i will mention that i saw you online 3-4 hours after i placed the vote, and you didn't comment anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also Norwegianboy you haven't explained why you decided to only wait 7 hours between stating intent and then hammering.

Alright i will admit that i should have waited longer.
But i will mention that i saw you online 3-4 hours after i

placed the vote

signaled intent, and you didn't comment anything.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What were the posts that made you change your opinion?

Why is there no evidence in your ISO of a shift of opinion before you come in and hammer?

1: Titus's analysis of Mutant's reads from post 194 to post 203.

2: I was always on the fence about Mutant, but i actively took his side to deduce people's reactions. If you can't see that from my ISO then i don't know what to tell you other than that's just how i think. I've always been told on this site that my natural town behaviour seems scummy like i explained in post 145. (Which i'd think you would notice since it indirectly answered your initial question.)

[NorwegianboyEE]

What have you learned from people’s reactions then?

Sheeping Awoo's thoughts on this one.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I sort of expected this...
Can nominated players vote for other nominated players?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Mutant flipping town makes me wonder about Titus. Perhaps the reason i was put together with her as a nominee is because she's scum and the scum team put me in there as an easy mislynch? Once im dead they could make it seem like she's town because she was "nominated". Mutant's post-hammer read on me reeked of OMGUS imo, i think he was just angry because i didn't believe him being town. But Mutant's read on Titus seems honest enough i could believe she is actually scum. Titus used emotionally charged language to encourage us voting Mutant's wagon. I can't say much about my read on Correspondence but i'm pretty sure he did vote for Mutant as well. Actually that is one point of interest, all three of us voted for Mutant.

VOTE: Titus

[NorwegianboyEE]

No, correspondence votes are bad votes

How are we not understanding this

Why are they bad? I can understand them even if i’m not actively participating against him right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not sure.

Why?

If i should play along with your game or not. I assume you want me to vote Correspondence?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Correspondence isn't even talking atm so let's see what comes from this.
VOTE: Correspondence

[NorwegianboyEE]

Signalling intent. Will hammer in 3 seconds.



...(no)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Correspondence might not be the most scummy so to say, but thinking through this again... If this is a TvTvT wagon then he would be the worst slot by far. Only one post and voting a mislynch. Though he could be replaced like people say so i think it’s best to wait for him to either come back or get replaced. I think i’ll just unvote for now and decide between Titus/Correspondence later. Night.
UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

What if scum put some of their own into this nomination pool with me since they assume town will just quicklynch me, then Titus/Corre whichever is theoratically scum can walk away with the cred that they were "nominated" thus there’s no way they are scum! Etc. That seems like a plausible scenario and would explain my nomination. Especially since Titus townreads me. Or maybe they dumped their scum afk teammate Corre in there? Both seem plausible to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m actually leaning Titus town more than Corre tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How many votes on Titus right now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norweigian, hammered without mentioning intent

That's wrong.

[NorwegianboyEE]

nEE what are your reads?

I don't want to focus on anyone outside of the nomination until i know for a fact whether i'm surviving or not.
Here's my read on Titus and Correspondence:

Titus: Her hostility towards Mutant obviously doesn't look good now that Mutant flipped green, but would scum really be so obvious? I was sure of Scum!Titus at first, but now i think she might be town.
Correspondence: Hasn't said a god damn word, but what's interesting is how Awoo and Menalque seem eager to defend him even though he's a worthless slot that's barely done anything except place a vote on Mutant's wagon. I think the best choice out of the two is to lynch him and then i'll base my future read on the information that gives us.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Correspondence

[NorwegianboyEE]

Norwegianboy, could you write me a quick wikihow article on how to get from scum titus to town titus?

Scum!Titus would have nominated herself into this rooster if that was the case.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I already explained that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No i'm saying that if Titus was scum then that means she'd have nominated herself this round, so my question is. Why would she do that if she were scum? Open-wolfing is a possibility that's true, but is it worth the risk? That's what i'm wondering. Is it normal for scum to nominate themselves? I haven't read any earlier games so i don't really know what the meta is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why Dongempire my dear NoNK?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So the theory is that scum Titus nominates herself and Correspondence, encourages us to vote Correspondence as a mislynch. Then uses the nomination to townclear herself?
I could believe it tbh.
Need to see the VC. Mod plz.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I did mention intent. Read my ISO.

Anyway, going back to my initial vote.
VOTE: Titus

[NorwegianboyEE]

The whole spectacle was about me hammering too soon after declaring intent, not that i didn’t refrain from declaring intent.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So PM. Which of the nominees do you prefer voting?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Colour me surprised.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus/PM in scumteam for sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus do you have nothing more to say?
Also hi new nominee.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why did Mafia put scum-read players on the chopping block instead of prominent town players?

This sounds like the sort of question scum pretending to be town would ask in this game.
Do you Townread Titus?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I prefer nEE tho @awoo

The point is that no one actively objects to titus, yet titus has like... 3 votes?

Are you saying it's weird Titus doesn't have more votes or it's weird that nobody objects to Titus?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You tell me NoNK, all this talk of semantics earlier made me feel really lethargic about the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh sorry, it’s the EE forums username to Awoo, i’m much more used to it so i just use it here too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@nEE

You tell me NoNK, all this talk of semantics earlier made me feel really lethargic about the game.

Who's that?

Also are you talking about Suji's & I discussion earlier?

I thought that seemed obvious. Yes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Joey you scumread me, i get it. But what do you think about Titus? Town? Scum? Null?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is a circus lmao. Lynch Titus, or lynch me. I don’t really care at this point. Going to sleep now, bye.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also personnal take; when I make a shit hammer I own up to it and feels really bad for town.

Imagine being town and hammering 6-7 hours before the guy posted + A slot making a huge case minutes after your hammer.. and not showing even once in their post any sign that they are sorry/feel bad/culpability.

Also Norwegianboy you haven't explained why you decided to only wait 7 hours between stating intent and then hammering.

Alright i will admit that i should have waited longer.
But i will mention that i saw you online 3-4 hours after i placed the vote, and you didn't comment anything.

Thats her only post ever admitting she made an error; she admits on the timing of her hammer, not the read itself which is very odd because I would assure you that town would be much more mortified about hammering town (consequence of their actions) than hammering too fast (process of their actions). You need to understand that it's been pages and hours that mutant was pretty much confirmed town in twilight when she said that.

I sort of expected this...
Can nominated players vote for other nominated players?

Her reaction after seeing the flip, still not going back on her behavior, only implying that she was going to be scumread for it, meh

________________________

That being said, on a reread she made a few good posts like 286 but eh

Assuming you're town i want to clarify this for you, it is

frustrating

being nominated as a lynch and having to defend myself. I seriously suspected i would be nominated because i hammered town and of course i was. I knew this would be difficult since the entire scum team will most likely do all they can to ensure i become the designated mislynch, with this in mind i am absolutely sure that Titus is on the scum team and coasting along because she wants to gain towncred for being "nominated". Please do the right thing and lynch her. Also i am not a "she" as you can see if you look at my pronoun.
So yes, i've been acting selfish because i knew it would take gargantuan efforts for me to even survive this phase and yet i need to find scum as well so i'm trying but yeah it's a lot of pressure on me right now and i'm not used to this high amounts of it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Awoo don’t let them manipulate you. Titus is making me ****. She’s scum. The vote is being pushed away from her and onto me, can’t you see it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Of course, what’s mafia without any sort of manipulation?
Anyway, i’m leaning towards the deductive reasoning you showed in 647 as holding the most water so i suggest we keep our vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh geez, that’s not good.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Titus you say you townread me, then you scumread me, later you townread me again, what's up with that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why is that? I don’t understand why your TR on joey is so strong

It's the kitten.
You never want to lynch the cute kitten.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The vote is being pushed away from her and onto me, can’t you see it?

can you be a bit more explicit about who is doing the pushing and what you think their alignments are? vague generalities like this without naming names are bad

Well Joey's been pushing for me and now he seems to think me and Titus are town and you might be scum. So if Titus is scum then obviously i'd be suspicious of him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Titus
You haven't answered 718

[NorwegianboyEE]

PMysterious's slot is terrible.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not sure how i feel about GuiltyLion yet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I meant more that PM's ISO is terrible because she misunderstands things all the time. I'm not definitive on her being scum. I want to believe Joey is town, but the way he's switching the focus on me makes it hard for me to believe in it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also don't you believe this pool could be all town ?

I don't think so because nominating only town is a bad scum strategy, i'm pretty sure they included one scum in the pool and then threw me in there so they could easily generate the mislynch and then give their mafia nominee towncred. So either Titus or Guiltylion is that nominee, most likely Titus in my opinion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

nEE is playing very sneakily

I can accept Awoo's analysis on me since i do agree i've been a bit lacking ever since Mutant's flip. But this sort of language used to frame me is exactly what makes me feel bad about you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can argue about what mafia would or wouldn’t do with a slot that hammered town, but fact is that i’m nominated so my logic is based on that. From my perspective i don’t see any reason to nominate me unless mafia saw to gain from it somehow, hence why i heavily suspect there’s scum somewhere in the nomination pool.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm lowkey calling you mafia as well, norwegian. The only reason I'm not voting you is that despite my best efforts, I can't find sufficient reason to stop voting titus.

What's going on, big guy? Why you gotta be lacking?

Too little vitamin D in my diet.
Ok no i’d think you would understand the answer to this question. Come on now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Take a stance, my god

^This a hundred times.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just want this day to end. I’ve got nothing else to say about the current nomination tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm starting to really sympathize with titus erratic gameplay making me feel more town towards her,

How on earth is that indicative of town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sigh. People will just keep beating on the dead horse that "he hammer town!" as an argument for every day from now on so i've half given up. I'm just hoping the town will find the real scum if i flip.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Haaa, scum's gambit didn't pay off. I was actually quite worried about Awoo being on league with Titus for a second, but his play and thought process seems genuine so i'm still fairly confident about town. Joey looks really bad right now imo, seems like he has spent all day preparing excuses since he couldn't lynch me over Titus. Creature also was on my wagon and tried pushing and shading me constantly. I'm not excluding the fact that scum might have been voting Titus as well, but i won't overly consider it for today. PM hasn't stuck with me as much as Joey, but i'll take a look at his ISO to see if i find anything. Gonna post reads once i've gotten back in the groove.

[NorwegianboyEE]

- Quick reads -

Town:
Awoo (His slot seems naturally townie to me. He tries to genuinely solve the game. I also doubt he would be in the same team as our scumflip)
Sujimichi (Consistently good-looking slot.)

Townlean:
pisskop (He likes posting shorter one/two sentence posts. Which makes him easier to read imo. I remember he started the wagon on Mutant, scum wouldn't be so blunt i think. He also voted Titus so feel much better about him than i did in D1. Seems like town.)
Menalque (I don't know what his scum-game is, but his blunt posts seem like they come from town.)
GuiltyLion (A bit unsure about this slot, but he voted Titus so town for now.)

Scumlean:
Creature (His posts don't feel even remotely natural. Sry EE forums guy, but surely you can do better?)
PMysterious (Evil Kirby? I haven't felt good about him, but i'm still not sure if he'd be on a scum team with Joey. So still slightly unsure if i want to vote him.)

Scum:
Joey_

Spoiler:

Why does he have a cute kitten as his profile picture? Because he is scum scum scum, what better way to appear innocent than pleading with his little kitten eyes at the first sign of trouble?

She's being sloppy so yes, most likely she's town

Constantly trying to push the "Titus is just town playing badly!" angle. I'm not buying this either:

Titus is a slot i historically can't read properly

Joey in a nutshell:

Honestly I don't really mind lynching either Titus or nEE

I prefer nEE tho @awoo

^Scumreading Titus in case she's lynched, but he "prefers" me. Obviously trying to hand credit to himself no matter who is lynched.
Latest events: I was clearly the scumlead counterwagon and he is still tunneling me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Joey_

[NorwegianboyEE]

@nEE Your content is still abysmal and you deserve rope, that is regardless of Titus flip.

Drat, and you were so close to mislynching me too!
Must feel bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gl you do nothing but call my posts bad, can you explain what exactly you don't like?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is fos?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow, sorry for being me i guess.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well for one you're not even considering PMysterious, rather you're saying that you plan on "towncasing him" if there ever builds any wagon on him, then you've talked about how i should still die because i hammered. Yada yada, same boring arguments and focusing on me and the D1 nom pool. I'm starting to think that you're scum who genuinely believes himself too good to be lynched by a newbie so you act all high and mighty and get pissed when i question you. It doesn't make you look cool at all btw.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And now with the personal attacks, there is no need to get toxic.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I started playing in like springtime this year. I want to get better at the game, but it's not easy when there are personal attacks and rudeness everywhere. You can easily disagree with an opinion without it causing your blood to boil and "getting pissed". If you get so angry from mafia games then i suggest you take a break and breathe deeply in so the "otaku memers" can't hurt you anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're asking me to find out what's scummy about my own posts? I might not be the best player, but that doesn't mean i'm not self-conscious. And i don't see what's scummy about my own posts. If you really want me to spend time criticizing myself then all i can say is that i regret trusting Titus on the day 1 wagon against Mutant and i also should have been more active when i was nominated, but in the end it worked out well didn't it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Awoo
To sum it up, your posts on D2 were mostly shading Titus for playing badly, while at the same time townreading her. Which I've shown examples of you doing.
But you still insisted on voting for me. I'm basing this on the nomination pool being TvTvS, so that makes your slot objectively scummy. I think the reason you spent the beginning of this day arguing for a nomination pool with multiple scum is because you were aware of this flip making you look bad.
I don't have time to evaluate your entire thought process, but based on what i remember you doing, it seems entirely possible that you are scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i meant to adress post 977 to @Joey, not @Awoo
My bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol that comment above me is one of the best i’ve read in the game so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw Joey, i think your "deepwolf" case on Awoo is awful. Awoo’s words repeat themselves, how can you be so confident when you’ve already been so wrong?
I’m thinking you might actually be town, and what’s really influencing my read is that i don’t agree with any of your ideas. Maybe i’ll switch to PM, need to think about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That’s some SWEEET~ logic dude.
Huehue man. Pass me those triple A batteries guy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Just one thing tho Awoo, why would there be exactly one mafia between the two in your opinion?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok that makes it sound actually somewhat credible.
I’ll switch to PM since rereading his ISO, it doesn’t look like a town ISO at all. Meanwhile with Joey i’m actually having doubts with.
VOTE: PMysterious

[NorwegianboyEE]

Shus kitty.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What is "this"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Reminder that i'm still feeling a PMysterious lynch today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

STOP!
VOTE: Pisskop

[NorwegianboyEE]

Thank god you stahpped.
VOTE: PMysterious

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm i read the thread, don’t have much time to make any comprehensive post right now. But i’ll get to it when i’m done with my lectures for today.
I will say that on initial glance the nomination seems like all town for me. Menalque shouldn’t be lynched. Awoo i don’t want to lynch. Truesoulenergy seems like town as well. I’ll get to an decision later.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Consensus is Awoo? I don't really want to vote there. TBH i think this nomination rooster is all town because 1 has scum flipped already and it would be cheeky as hell to nominate scum again in D2. So given the choice between these three i think i'll probably end up voting TrueSoulEnergy in the end. But i'll let the day play out first before i commit.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you have trouble reading people because of the colour on their profile pictures now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either I'm right about suji and I'm getting "nightkilled" for that (more likely)

Why are you so sure about Suji?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@TSE can you sell me on your argument of why GuiltyLion is mafia before i most likely vote you over Awoo and Menalque?

[NorwegianboyEE]

GL should be mafia from poe

@Menalque you still down to flip awoo?

It doesn’t make sense to lynch one of our stronger players over TSE.
Why exactly should Awoo be flipped here if the nomination is TvTvT?

[NorwegianboyEE]

ftr i think awoo is statistically more likely to be scum here.

Ok.
VOTE: Vote TrueSoulEnergy

[NorwegianboyEE]

Awoo, since that EE forums game concluded i’m not sure i’m comfortable townreading you anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was townreading him almost the whole time in that game, then it turned out he was a deepwolf the entire time. So now that i know he has a highly capable scumplay my paranoia’s reached the roof.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And yeah, GL actually has a good point about the fact that we have like 8-9? days left, so not sure why we’re hammering so soon.
UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Awoo

[NorwegianboyEE]

Had a crazy thought.
What if Mafia decided to wagon them all Day 2.
Meaning Lion and Nor would be Mafia
Not Lion and Suji.
So furthermore, we always Lynch Lion tomorrow.

That would be funny if it was true. Btw, i still want you to explain why GL is *ehem* a "guilty" lion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow the tone in your post sounds so awesome and super towny.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Awoo
Did you feel a sense of relief there?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alright, i didn't get much of an scum indicative reaction from Awoo so i'll default back to the TSE lynch.
VOTE: TSE

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh, i never replied to Menalque's request. I might be willing to follow your plan at least for a while. Depending on how things go of course.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t know why people connect me with GuiltyLion. He’s been scumreading me and calling all of my posts bad from what i can remember. All scum nominees in D2 would be a misplay by mafia and too obvious. Perhaps 1 or 2 at maximum? But i’m not particurarly scumreading GL. Suji has seemed like town to me for a while, but he hasn’t showed up in a long time now so i don’t know if my TR on him is all that relevant anymore. Still kinda paranoid about about Awoo and Joey, but i trust Menalque and he has this game plan i’m willing to follow so i’m townreading them all for now. Pisskop seems kinda aggressive, or it’s his playstyle, i’m not accousted to the difference between his town and scumplay. I’m still voting TSE simply because his posting style is kinda erratic and annoying. And i think we can solve the game without him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also as far as i can see, the only argument you have for voting GL is purely to "sort" me TSE?

[NorwegianboyEE]

GL's slot is always inactive it seems, but i don't really think GL is suspicious since Titus was pushing for lynching him at the start of D2. Then Titus switched focus to me when nobody was buying it.
I don't really feel too good about Pisskop, but i also don't have any tight ideas yet about who he'd be in a team with if he was mafia. Gut read feels like Joey atm since that's the only person he hasn't really confronted throughout his ISO.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not exactly sure if Suji is scum either. I'm worried about being set up right now so i want to explore all possibilities before i conclude my decision. There are two scum left, i'm going to read through the first couple days to see if i can find anything. Gotta check everyone, Awoo, Joey, GL, Mena, Suji, PK.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What do you think about the wagon on TSE in the end?

PK's reluctance to vote TSE before caving in and then blaming you for him flipping town kinda rubbed me the wrong way tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean this is kinda pointing out the obvious, but post 41 by PK and 42 by scum!titus are really close together. I'm not sure if this is confident scum thinking they'd never get caught ganging up on town, or Titus attempting to shade the slot. But yeah in hindsight it does look like scum teamwork. My short impression from Titus is that she is the kind of player that expects everyone to listen to her, she tries to use strong authority and obviously worked hard to push the mislynch against Mutant through, almost like she completely disregards dissent. So her getting lynched from the nom pool was probably a gambit play she thought she would 100% win. But she didn't, we saw through the deception and lynched her instead of me. I think this suggests that the mafia were and might still be playing a very aggressive game, PK fits this profile perfectly with his butting heads on Menalque and arguing against the narrative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll read some more of the game and post my thoughts later, but i'd like to just get this out for now.
VOTE: Pisskop

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was agreeing internally. But it’s not like we could vote PK before now, better to let scum think they’re in the zone before pulling the carpet don’t ya think?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I never really wanted to lynch Awoo tbh. But i’m not liable to 100% trust him or anybody since that majorly screwed me on the EE forums mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Again, nobody’s sold me on scum GL or scum Suji yet. So if you think those are the right choices go right ahead and convince me, but i prefer PK right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

it looks like an excuse rather than a reason

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCGD9dT12C0

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want norway to hammer this

A bit quick don’t ya think?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think what Awoo is trying to say is that you need to propose an alternative. Like the town seems pretty set to lynch either you or GL right now. Personally i would go for PK, but hey.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lol wth was that PK.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It doesn’t seem like town to just give up like that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Awoo are you ok with a PK lynch or not? It seems like you’re not actually trying to commit to PK!scum or Suji!scum but like leaving both options open. Does it not matter for you which one it is?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What’s the vote count?
Damn, a lot happened yesterday.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:
Still in lecture so i’ll be more active later today. At least i’ll unvote for now since a lot seems to be going on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now the biggest question is: how much of this 89 pages do I have to read?

E V E R Y T H I N G !

[NorwegianboyEE]

No offense, but those reads are hilariously surface level. I mean i'm glad you're townreading me, but you should probably put a little bit more effort into it before TR or SR someone?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean they MIGHT have put 2 scum in there to make the other one seem town if one of the scum is flipped.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you're openly admitting that there is an high amount of bias in your read on Menalque?

[NorwegianboyEE]

RC i'm a bit confused about your opening on Joey. Was it all just a joke?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like you're the one making this game shitty. I haven't even voted you right now. You're making dumb comments about me being arrogant stupid town for pushing a lynch that I haven't even pushed. If you're town then you should really stop and think what your thing is here.

Well i mean you did go out of your way to say things like "This isn't a town post" and etc. So i think it's fair to say that you are kinda pushing Menalque as scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

everything norway posts after titus flips is a wolfy pop in

I’m sorry what? I’m busy yesterday and get blamed for "wolfy pop-ins"?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m pretty sure Titus was flailing around on D1 with trying to lynch (in hindsight) an obviously not likely Correspondence slot. Before switching her focus. I actually can imagine an world with SvS here. So i’ve never felt particurarly great about the GL slot, but i am town for sure and it would be completely stupid to have an all scum nomination pool. I see people keep bringing it up, like it’s an silly idea but it has no merit whatsoever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve TR menalque for a long time. I think his responses to your attack are town indicative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think you’re fairly erratic right now. Are you really sure about this?

[NorwegianboyEE]

[NorwegianboyEE]

Didn’t you scumread me tho? And now you want me to join you on Mena?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ah, ok.

[NorwegianboyEE]

2 of his top 3 scumreads flipped scum.

Oh wow, you clearly got some news we haven't heard about.
Do explain who the second flip was.

[NorwegianboyEE]

RC's replacement in a nutshell:

Spoiler:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like... i've seen your play in Vengeance as scum and i know what you're capable of. So i don't think it's completely unreasonable to suspect you're trying to push for a mislynch here RC.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well yeah, but town only posted like 5 times in 8 days. So you were 10 times as active compared to them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't know about you, but i usually try to avoid having a recognizable scum or town meta. That way people can't just go "ah, he is X in this game". You trying to describe how you would "never do X as scum" in a game kinda sounds like something scum would say TBH.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unless you're going to argue that we should lynch outside of you/Menalque today then it's kinda a given that i'll have to choose to believe one of you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

btw for the people who haven't been on for hours at home

Menalque was on for a long time before he started posting, and Norwegian was on with him and Norwegian has been on this entire time and just popped in now

think it's highly likely they were discussing shit in scum PT and Norwegian is just finally popping in to say something which is mostly just to set up to vote for me because there's no path to a win for scum following Norwegian getting lynched.

I wasn't discussing anything in a scum PT, i was observing you guys argue. Didn't feel like there was much room for me to butt in until now.
The fact that you're coming up with magical theories like me discussing in a mafia PT with Mena kinda discredits your Menalque push even more TBH.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok cool, i'm not going to spend my entire day arguing with you.
I choose to believe Menalque over you and i find your push super weird and scummy.
VOTE: RC

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also I don't think scum RC would say "treat me as confirmed scum if this flips town" because he knows people will actually listen to that compared to other people saying the same.

That's what he wants you to think.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I doubt that anyone here necessarily has the willpower to go toe-to-toe with him tomorrow where he’s conf!scummed after my lynch and I’m worried that he’ll wriggle out of it somehow

@RC
Sorry to say, but i'm not scum. I just never particularly scumread Menalque so i don't see why i should do it now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mislynch Menalque as scum and die there's still two obvtown to hold the fort and win the game

10/10 if Menalque is mislynched he'll go "actually..." tommorow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

like... if we're not lynching scum menalque what are we doing

ok

The fact that you're trying to portray Menalque's lynch as inevitable kinda rubs me the wrong way here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

RC's push reminds me of someone, oh yeah. Titus pushing for us to lynch Mutant.

[NorwegianboyEE]

RC are you going to nominate yourself into the pool tomorrow too?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like you've already thrown me in there as Menalques partner apparently, so i don't see why i shouldn't defend Menalque against someone that obviously must have an agenda.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you thrive on misrepresenting what people say and making assumptions?
I't seems pretty clear to me that you're trying to dismantle the townblock because scum was on the path to a loss, so now that you've replaced in you're doing everything you can to disrupt that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm thinking your partner is either GL or Suji here, and i'm feeling much better about Joey/Menalque now that i've seen your hyper aggressive playstyle.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey, that doesn't sound so bad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh man, your tone is such a relief after that bickering.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah it’s 1 AM and i was just giving the forum a quick read. Calm your micro-agressions boi.
Going to sleep so cya while i don’t post some more.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t like how this wagon formed at all. It’s like RC just shouted the town into submission.
If Menalque actually flips scum then it’s going to look bad for me, but i find this push really really bad. You better be right.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Omg. How many new pages of spam is there now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I find it kind of sad and pathetic that when I said that I had pneumonia it energized you to fight back harder because you knew I wasn't at full strength.

Wow that's incredibly blatant AtE. And really rude to blame Menalque for this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like, forget about the game for a second. That's just not a cool thing to say regardless of alignment.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t like how this wagon formed at all. It’s like RC just shouted the town into submission.
If Menalque actually flips scum then it’s going to look bad for me, but i find this push really really bad. You better be right.

Implied that this is a mislynch + implied that all the non-RC slots are town.

I guess that makes 3 towns not 4.
But like Awoo sas says obvtown

Well yeah, i implied that it's a mislynch because that's exactly what i think it is. And where are you gathering the "implied that all non-RC slots are town" implications from?

[NorwegianboyEE]

^^^^ this is RC prepping for post-mislynch for anyone not paying attention, which I guess is basically everyone as people are actually voting me this game lmao

Haven't I told you that 1v1 never resolves?
If you get lynched today, that's it.
That's cold hard fact.

This is true on so many levels. I tried that strategy off-site once. I correctly identified 2 scum on my wagon and told the town to lynch them once i was mislynched so people would understand i wasn't being manipulative. Then when i died they gave zero fucks about my reads and we lost the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

without question?? you know whose backing someone up without question? norway. you guys haven't talked at all even, he's just been calling you locktown and shit and hasn't really given an explanation.

Norway has done fuck all to help me other than vote you whereas cirno constantly pops in to back you up

Frankly Norway has probably done almost as much harm as good by allowing you to push this “partners” line

Gee, guess i should have teamed up with RC and voted you instead then. That would obviously have been much easier for me, since i wouldn't need to take hits from his textual assault.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t like how this wagon formed at all. It’s like RC just shouted the town into submission.
If Menalque actually flips scum then it’s going to look bad for me, but i find this push really really bad. You better be right.

Implied that this is a mislynch + implied that all the non-RC slots are town.

I guess that makes 3 towns not 4.
But like Awoo sas says obvtown

Well yeah, i implied that it's a mislynch because that's exactly what i think it is. And where are you gathering the "implied that all non-RC slots are town" implications from?

You said RC shouted

town

to submission.
That implies that people in Mel wagon that is not RC are town.

Oh, lol. Well yeah? If Menalque's lynch goes through then it's obvious there are town on his wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That argument goes both ways actually.
What stops scum-you from voting town-RC when it looks like RC is winning against town-Mel just so you look better?

In theory: nothing. But assuming RC is scum which i suspect, then there is no reason for me to defend Menalque rather than just sheeping him. So i guess it depends on whether you believe this is TVT or TVS.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What if it's SvS and Menalque is so mad because I just randomly decided to bus him to establish dominance

That would be 10/10.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Who's not voting right now btw?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw @DrCirno
Do you think Menalque's reaction at the end there comes from scum angry that he is losing, or town frustrated that he is getting mislynched?

[NorwegianboyEE]

What if everyone that's voting right now is town and scum is GL/Suji just sitting in the back, laughing?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Which is why I've been hating this back and forth.

There's one thing we can definitely agree on.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are we really moving into semantics now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like, you can disagree with my tone and things like that. But i don't see why my wording should indicate anything. I just said that RC's constant posting kinda forces the town to focus on his narrative. And by town i mean "every slot in the game" not specifically "townie aligned individuals":

[NorwegianboyEE]

This got really sad.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m awake.
I live in the timezone of Norway so take that into account alright?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Joey: Did not look too great yesterday, i expected him to stick to his principles but he just gives up and votes in his own townblock.
DrCirno: He’s had mostly good tone and i want to TR him based off on that.
Suji: I’ve TR him for a long time, doubt i’lø be voting here.
So given these choices i think i’d prefer voting Joey here tbh. I can’t shake off his backpedalling on his stances.

I kinda wanted to vote RC just because his push yesterday was genuinely awful, but i’m thinking he is town regardless because i don’t think scum would go as far as he did?

[NorwegianboyEE]

i didn't backpedal shit lmao, i gave his read the benefit of the doubt and voted so we could move on from this stupid 1vs1

So you willingly voted someone you thought was town in our odd day on purpose?
I do not disagree that the 1v1 was tiring. But everyone just kinda gave up their townread on Menalque. Do you really think there was no scum motivation behind that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would i fucking drop someone townblocking me as scum? think about it 2 sec

Even if a townie townreads you, you've got to get rid of them somehow if you're scum, maybe you joined RC's crusade so you could eliminate Mena and protect one of your teammates instead. I'm not saying it's a huge possibility, but it is a possibility. And i don't want to vote either DrCirno or Suji today. I think you've got the biggest chance at flipping scum even if we assume this is an all town nomination. I wouldn't put it behind you to nominate yourself and get a mislynch to get towncred for LYLO.
VOTE: Joey_

[NorwegianboyEE]

RC, do you agree with me?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Suji: I’ve TR him for a long time, doubt i’lø be voting here.

That's not what you said yesterday.

I'm thinking your partner is either GL or Suji here, and i'm feeling much better about Joey/Menalque now that i've seen your hyper aggressive playstyle.

Quite honestly, you haven't openly had me as a townread since post 951.

Yeah but the end of yesterday changed things a bit. I didn't expect Joey to be ok with the lynch on Menalque, and RC's reaction to the lynch doesn't seem fabricated. I was worried about who would be teammates to RC and RC was consistently townreading you Suji so i was worried about that, and also when he was talking about how he wanted to lynch either me or GL he went specifically for me so i wondered if it was some kinda "bussing teammate but voting town" sort of sitiuation. That's what went through my head yesterday, but now i'm thinking differently to try to fathom this nomination and yesterdays event.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why was your read on Menalque based off C9++? You didn't even know his alignment in that game until now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait, are you saying that because you already knew Menalques alignment in this game, you thought his C9++ play was different? Isn't that suggesting you already knew Menalque was town?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you knew he was scum in C9++ and therefore you thought he was acting in a similarly scummy manner in this game. Is that what you're saying?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think there might be scum both outside and inside the nomination today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And the reason i'm saying that is because having 2 scum in the nom pool is too risky, and having 2 scum outside of the pool is also risky. So the best play is for them split each other up.