Undertale Semi-Open 1.1 - Snowdin Snowdown

[Chemist1422]

hi hi hi!

won’t be around for the next couple hours

[Chemist1422]

I don't understand how apparently eveyone except me can be obvtown. My scum game is so obvious to see. I'm so much more passive and less erratic.

sorry but did you not read anything from last version of this game

[Chemist1422]

so far nymph and gingie are on my radar for awkward entrances

towny mindmeld

[Chemist1422]

We should spare today and see how things go and assess the route tomorrow maybe?

okay nvm I actually kind of like this post

[Chemist1422]

I'm hungry and going to eat dinner soon

Bye

[Chemist1422]

so far nymph and gingie are on my radar for awkward entrances

towny mindmeld

I don't see how Nymph can be considered awkward from her posting so far, I don't agree with this, so weird "mindmeld" in my opinion

"I disagree so it's bad"

boi

[Chemist1422]

Chemist you have to just keep rolling town dont you

I'm okay with it

Yes, I want to get better at scum, but I hate playing it sometimes lol

[Chemist1422]

We identify four townies and win. Townhunting is better than scumhunting and this playerlist is good for application

This is good. I like where this is going.

I think based on page 1 and 2 that chennis and Elements are probably town.

HEAL: chennis

I think youre echoing me.

I just like your thought process.

Nymph's first post felt a little bit like a pocket, and their second felt like "nothing to see here, move on"

I just liked 123 a lot because it's noncommittal in a towny way, like they want to take the information as it comes and use that

[Chemist1422]

noncommittal in a towny way

How does that compare to being noncommittal in a scummy way?

I literally just explained this

[Chemist1422]

ok actually getting food bye

[Chemist1422]

It's not necessarily bad to spare scummy players in the neutral ending, while yes mafia get an extra kill it also greatly narrows down where the mafia is, and still provides us with a clear that mafia probably don't kill if we can lynch correctly. Also, if they're town, that's a player we would have lynched that we now don't have to

isn't that an instant loss or

[Chemist1422]

It's not necessarily bad to spare scummy players in the neutral ending, while yes mafia get an extra kill it also greatly narrows down where the mafia is, and still provides us with a clear that mafia probably don't kill if we can lynch correctly. Also, if they're town, that's a player we would have lynched that we now don't have to

isn't that an instant loss or

no wait I'm thinking of pacifist

[Chemist1422]

We definitely should not be sparing more than one PoE player

[Chemist1422]

Chemist you have to just keep rolling town dont you

Funny you say that because Chem had the worst entrance in the game.
'Let me agree and disagree with these posts while giving 0 context on why I do'
HURT: Chem

Coming back over to this

Why did you not just ask

[Chemist1422]

Chemist you have to just keep rolling town dont you

Funny you say that because Chem had the worst entrance in the game.
'Let me agree and disagree with these posts while giving 0 context on why I do'
HURT: Chem

Coming back over to this

Why did you not just ask

A) I shouldn't need to
B) I don't think I'd care about your answer.

Thanks for clearing up the mechs peeps

So if I had explained you wouldn't have cared anyway

And yet it's scummy for me not to explain

Alright then

[Chemist1422]

i'll try to make sense of it in the morning lmfao

rakan who you staring at rn

To kill? Oversoul.

Though I do still have an attachment to going spare-kill-spare-spare

I'm thinking this game plan up as I go along, I'm thinking it is best to put people we trust in the 3 spares after all, since both sides are essentially revealed (if you know 1 scum is in 3 people, you know 1 is in the other 2)

How about no, lover boy. We are not killing me. If anything we are sparing me.

here's an idea

can you not

[Chemist1422]

Chemist you have to just keep rolling town dont you

Funny you say that because Chem had the worst entrance in the game.
'Let me agree and disagree with these posts while giving 0 context on why I do'
HURT: Chem

Coming back over to this

Why did you not just ask

A) I shouldn't need to
B) I don't think I'd care about your answer.

Thanks for clearing up the mechs peeps

So if I had explained you wouldn't have cared anyway

And yet it's scummy for me not to explain

Alright then

No, if you explained I wouldn't be scumreading you about your actions even if I didn't care about the explanation itself.

So my motivation for explaining would solely be to not be scumread

What

[Chemist1422]

So my motivation for explaining would solely be to not be scumread

To be fair thats literally the point of the game

No, the point of the game is to catch scum

Sure, I have no real reason to object to a soul vote right now. I'd love to see why they think there obv town.
What do you think of chem right now?
HURT: Soul
pedit: Are you being purposely obtuse?

I get asked this more than I would like and the answer is usually no, as it is in this instance

[Chemist1422]

Overblown read on elements, acting like they're super towny (they're not), they don't really care for what's going on in the middle (the mechanics talk) but they're contrarian to the neutral route because "statistics" (fyi I haven't looked at the first game so I don't know if the neutral route is even the same here, I know stuff was changed), then weak accusations like rolefishing, and then scummy role soft when a little bit of pressure is applied to him (and you're not clever with that)

That was about as soft as a brick

[Chemist1422]

Wait you're allowed to have separate spare and fight votes now?

huh

[Chemist1422]

chennis whats the deal with your chemist read

chemist has a lot of small talk but I did enjoy their remarks about a pocket read.

Is this more a behavioral meta read here or what

Chemist is doing fuckall the same way he does fuckall as town

On one hand fair

On the other it’s literally been 6 hours

[Chemist1422]

I don’t have a twitter feed actually so that entire read is invalid

All jokes aside that is something I should improve on

[Chemist1422]

I don't understand how apparently eveyone except me can be obvtown. My scum game is so obvious to see. I'm so much more passive and less erratic.

It’s ok. Becoming obvtown is the only thing I can do. I can’t play scum, I can’t scumhunt, but I can obvtown

can you obvtown as scum?

For like a day. Then I lurk. And then I die.

[Chemist1422]

Spoiler:

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Last game you entered with a heal not a hurt. Coincidence? I think not.
HURT: oversoul

Im 80 percent sure u did that just to get off of me elements.

HURT: chennis
fight me

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Last game you entered with a heal not a hurt. Coincidence? I think not.
HURT: oversoul

Its almost as if there’s a reason for the difference.

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Last game you entered with a heal not a hurt. Coincidence? I think not.
HURT: oversoul

Its almost as if there’s a reason for the difference.

What's the reason?

HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements

HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements

rude

oversoul on the other hand looks scummy so far

mmmm no

I’m obvtown and this is a game I don’t even need to make myself obvtown in

HEAL: oversoul

I dislike this entire interaction

HURT: Elements

[Chemist1422]

Modnote : If anyone is playing mobile only, which generates a standing bug with black spoiler on ms.net, and if you can't remedy that enough by trying out mafblack or something, let me know so I can make the votecounts more accommodating.

Spoiler+color is being used to help communicate the distinction between the war and peace sides of the votecount because on PCs spoiler is the best way to guarantee any give colored text will be compatible with the unknown forum skin the user is using.

It’s working on mobile mafSilver

[Chemist1422]

No dude its objectively scummy as well so

I'm not going to ignore it this time

Acting scummy does not make someone scum.
Do you not think that if I was scum again, playing with a plethora of people who played my last scum game, that I wouldn't change my play style? Especially given that the main thing people said was scummy about me was my questions.
Do you honestly think that lowly of me?

Nice wifom tbh

[Chemist1422]

Okay that was a weird post chemist and i dont really like it

The “nice” part was sarcasm if that didn’t come off

[Chemist1422]

I think Chennis is scum from how badly he's reading me

Do you not have the same read on me?

or are you expectations just that low

[Chemist1422]

Gah do I want to blow this game up or not. Decisions

you do that I’m just gonna

HEAL: chennks

[Chemist1422]

I'm pretty comfortable with both of my votes so far tbh

[Chemist1422]

I'm pretty comfortable with both of my votes so far tbh

Sell me on them! Do you think what I posted wrt their argument was wrong?

You posted nothing that directly contradicts either of my reads

I didn't like Elements' progression on Oversoul, and I'm townreading chennis for meta

[Chemist1422]

Scumgames onsite are Forkbomb, Mini 2092? (whatever nomnomnom's was), Mini 2084, Newbie 1953, Micro 885 and the Magical Girls uPick that recently ended

I was planning on updating my wiki page at some point anyway

[Chemist1422]

bleh

guess I’ll go iso Rakan soon

[Chemist1422]

where are these elements townreads coming from

I might be tunneling
I might be dumb

I still don't get it either way

[Chemist1422]

Your only read on Elements thus far is that you don't like his progression on Oversoul - I asked you if you were talking about him voting/unvoting Oversoul in the first four pages, no response. Why are you scumreading Elements?

I mean I quoted the posts I didn’t like when I said I didn’t like his progression

[Chemist1422]

Spoiler:

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Last game you entered with a heal not a hurt. Coincidence? I think not.
HURT: oversoul

Im 80 percent sure u did that just to get off of me elements.

HURT: chennis
fight me

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Last game you entered with a heal not a hurt. Coincidence? I think not.
HURT: oversoul

Its almost as if there’s a reason for the difference.

Let’s not

HURT: Elements

Last game you entered with a heal not a hurt. Coincidence? I think not.
HURT: oversoul

Its almost as if there’s a reason for the difference.

What's the reason?

HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements

HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements
HURT: Elements

rude

oversoul on the other hand looks scummy so far

mmmm no

I’m obvtown and this is a game I don’t even need to make myself obvtown in

HEAL: oversoul

I dislike this entire interaction

HURT: Elements

Yes I did

[Chemist1422]

And quoting posts doesn't say anything - why didn't you like Elements's progression on Oversoul? How is that the only thing that's grabbed you this game?

1. Elements gives a solid reason to scumread Oversoul, then switches together chennis for an arguably weaker reason. Oversoul then starts pressuring Elements, then claims they’re obvtown, then Elements switches to soaring OS

It doesn’t seem like the reaction of someone without an agenda

2. because I’m a garbage lurker duh

[Chemist1422]

Do you mean to say that you thought rakan healing was rvs or..?

Not in the slightest.
Idk how to phase it. Chem doesn't like my oversoul interactions I feel like he's scum reading me because he needs someone to scum read.

Fair

I have no grasp on this game tbh

[Chemist1422]

Did everyone decide this game had no rvs and not tell me?

why are people still tring this?

Because said slot is town

visible confusion

there’s no connection between being town and deserving townreads

[Chemist1422]

That's S-1

Rakan, can you make a list of towniest to scummiest just so I can see where your head's at on everyone

[Chemist1422]

I want chemist to come post

Yo

I really really don’t want mastina killed after that series of posts but I do want to see where she’s at on other people

[Chemist1422]

I want chemist to come post

Yo

I really really don’t want mastina killed after that series of posts but I do want to see where she’s at on other people

That series of posts is why I want mastina killed

Why though

This goes past "scum berating town for messing up" to "insanely salty town" because of the reaction toward Ginngie

[Chemist1422]

I want chemist to come post

Yo

I really really don’t want mastina killed after that series of posts but I do want to see where she’s at on other people

That series of posts is why I want mastina killed

Why though

This goes past "scum berating town for messing up" to "insanely salty town" because of the reaction toward Ginngie

Anger is the most energy intense emotion an slips into disappointment quickly. The town of mastina's posts for an hour and a half are nothing but unadulterated rage. There's no emotional progression to frustration or disappointment. Looks like scum trying to act as enraged town by keeping the rage consistent.
TL:DR - The rage is too consistent for too long

Not if it’s reacting to something like 590 and 591

[Chemist1422]

Elements can you make a list like the one I asked Rakan to make please

Because you’re acting somewhat chaotic and I have no idea where your head is at

[Chemist1422]

I’m not even gonna question why you have Wisdom above yourself

[Chemist1422]

{Chem}
{Ginngie, mastina, Wisdom}
{Nacho, Nymph, Xayah}
{Oversoul, Elements}

These are probably about my reads

[Chemist1422]

I feel like I missed something

What’s the argument for pacifist

[Chemist1422]

@mod

Nacho isn't self-voting for Fight lol

[Chemist1422]

I...don't really want Oversoul spared.

HURT: Nacho

I only trust myself to do stupid stuff, none of y'all

Sorry if this is wrong but I feel more comfortable about it than sparing Over

[Chemist1422]

Like

They're at L-1 because of a towncase by the person we want to kill

[Chemist1422]

It wasn't a lolhammer

It was a calculated hammer to stop someone from hammering Oversoul

[Chemist1422]

Over myself? No

Debating if we should spare or fight today since it was ruined yesterday

I’m not sorry

Stop trying to guilt trip me

[Chemist1422]

I don't really want Oversoul spared

If we're sparing anyone today I'd prefer myself or mastina

[Chemist1422]

my brain is failing to actively evaluate and I didn't like your hammer D1

[Chemist1422]

my brain is failing to actively evaluate and I didn't like your hammer D1

What is particularly bad about my hammer?

I had literally just asked Rakan to do something before they got spared and your hammer stopped them from doing it

[Chemist1422]

my brain is failing to actively evaluate and I didn't like your hammer D1

What is particularly bad about my hammer?

I had literally just asked Rakan to do something before they got spared and your hammer stopped them from doing it

This same exact logic can be used on you since that's what you did to me lol

Not really

Rakan was always going to be the D1 spare
D3 there was conflict being Oversoul spare and Nacho kill

[Chemist1422]

HEAL: mastina

feeling strongest on this

[Chemist1422]

Hold up

Over when you mentioned the last game that made me realize we still have a PR

[Chemist1422]

I will say I felt fairly confident calling Chemist town last game and I do not have that feeling at all here.

Consider

school

[Chemist1422]

Intent to hammer

[Chemist1422]

Intent to hammer

Why chemist why!

Maybe because the self-vote was basically a scumclaim?

Unless mastina has any more thoughts she wants to get out

[Chemist1422]

I’m not going to be available until Friday. I would rather we did not hammer Xayah yet.

Acknowledged

[Chemist1422]

*yawn* This day is still going?

Waiting on Over tbh

[Chemist1422]

okay

oversoul

where are ya

[Chemist1422]

I am around but house work and baby duty. Responses probably won’t be instantaneous.

I mean you’re the one who asked for extra time

[Chemist1422]

I mainly wanted to address Elements and Mastina’s points. I didn’t hammer Incase you or anyone else wanted to talk more, but I’m getting the impression that people do not. Elements especially when he tried to hammer.

oh you already responded

sorry brain lapse

HURT: xayah

[Chemist1422]

hooo boy okay

[Chemist1422]

Not hammering ofc

What do you think is the biggest point in your favor for you being town (to both of you)

[Chemist1422]

why are y'all making flavor arguments at this point

[Chemist1422]

I’ll have some time soon to read through all of this

[Chemist1422]

Honestly I’m even more lost after reading that ugh

[Chemist1422]

Spare Votecount 3.2

Nachomamma8 -

Elements ------

mastina --------

Xayah ---------

Oversoul ------

(3)

Oversoul, Nachomamma8, mastina

Wisdom -

(1)

Xayah

Chemist1422 -

Not sparing:

- (3) Elements, Wisdom, Chemist1422

Fight Votecount 3.2

Nachomamma8 -

(3)

Wisdom, Elements, Xayah,

Elements -----

mastina -

Xayah -

Oversoul ----

Wisdom -

Chemist1422 -

Not Fighting:

- (5) mastina, Nachomamma8, Wisdom, Chemist1422

<3<3<3<3

3>3>3>

(expired on 2019-10-31 21:06:42)

Okay yeah this does look really good for Oversoul

[Chemist1422]

Honestly the thing that’s giving me the most pause is that Over seems to know exactly what to say

[Chemist1422]

Wut. What does that mean lol

It’s like you have a plan basically

[Chemist1422]

Time to ISO a Maria scum game

brb

[Chemist1422]

Chemist, we can't lose two back to back lylos where we're both town.

wow you’re really gonna play that card

[Chemist1422]

How can you accuse me of AtE when you just used the most AtE thing in the game :/

Chemist what makes you think this is a plan? You think I planned to bring exactly you two to LyLo? From day 1? Don’t you see how complicated that gets? X_x I am restraining myself from going full blown AtE like I did in baton Pass but ugh. I’ll just repeat it. I hate LyLo.

Yeah we all do

The thing about the plan is that you managed to get an entire wall of thins accusing Elements which is honestly something

[Chemist1422]

Okay I ISO’d Maria in a semi-recent scumgame (MLP mafia) and her treatment of implo there was actually very similar to her treatment of Over this game

I’m not done reading it but there’s similarities with the push on them being the majority of their content, and being willing to switch back and forth but never dropping the scumread

[Chemist1422]

But MariaR did drop her scumread on me yesterday didn’t she?

No she self-voted yesterday

[Chemist1422]

I mean the day prior. I asked her about her scumread on me. Driving right now so I can’t go trawling through iso but I thought she said she thought I was town. I thought after our interaction we had come away with townreading one another

so how is that a point in your favor given the timing and how it could have gone into lylo

[Chemist1422]

God I’m leaning Over harder than I should be

[Chemist1422]

I think I'm gonna make my final decision tomorrow

Anything else you need, get it out soon

[Chemist1422]

Are either of you around rn?

[Chemist1422]

I do think this kill implicates the big 3

Big three = nacho, Mastina, Wisdom
Little three = me, xayah, chemist

You have high scum equity in my mind so I left you out

hard yikes here tbh

[Chemist1422]

Okay this is basically exactly how elements played in Marked For Death

HURT: Oversoul

I’ll take 100% of the blame if this is wrong

[Chemist1422]

Did I lose

[Chemist1422]

YESSSSSS

[Chemist1422]

GG Over

I don’t think I’d have found you without meta tbh

[Chemist1422]

Meta in what way?

On Elements and how Maria treats her partners

[Chemist1422]

Incorrect VC had no effect on my read at all

I had actually forgotten it happened

[Chemist1422]

5 bucks chemist votes Oversoul because MS loves to throw

:dabemoji:

[Chemist1422]

I feel good enough about my play to say this is a win for me. Fun last scum game on site so I’m glad that everyone had a good outcome.

:c

[Chemist1422]

Dude this is really funny.

Everyone in dead PT: "Fuck you for voting oversoul chemist"

Spoiler: flashing colors warning