Calendar Mafia - The End of Time (Game Over)

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VOTE: Cookie bringers I like cookies too.

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Only like...8 slots that I know of.

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You're one of us monkey.

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I'd buy FB as scum.

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I'd buy FB as scum.

did u roll scum again? we're town and u can succ my eggs

When have I rolled scum against fb?

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And the omgus read is bad when you know that I know FB is perfectly willing to scumclaim as scum and is willing to rvs hyperpost.

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I only have magical girls for bitmap meta and you were way more reserved. But like. It was an RC game so hard to get a word in edgewise and you were IC so probably not your normal towngame.

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And the omgus read is bad when you know that I know FB is perfectly willing to scumclaim as scum and is willing to rvs hyperpost.

good for you RCE

are you going to say we're scum because of someone else's interactions?

Nope just yours.

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Like pantha something something's first concern was Hydra spam so slots aren't getting drowned out and hey looky looky.

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Ehh I'll agree A50 is probtown here.

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Oh no I'm fine, but your first observation was the amount of lurkers and your second order of business was to start spamming. Lurkers are already going to be behind and I doubt they'll Wade through a bunch of nothing to make an effort. So there's a bunch of easy lynches to push later.

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I'd agree IM town yeah.

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I am speechless. I have 2 TRs on me already?? I would request that both FB & chenn would tell me what it was exactly that gave me away so early (preferably privately .. post-game). I usually struggle to garner TRs when I do want to be TR'd, and in this game I wasn't even trying to be TR'd this early.

Kind of the point. This is what I was getting at after Fogport.

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You were town there too but yeah. It's not forced engagement.

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we agree on so much, we have so much in common.....

so what you doing later bae?

Well I'm feeling cute, probably vigging someone later... I dunno.

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Idk, I'm on record as saying idc who posts in hydras. It's 1 slot and I'm treating it that way.

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Prepare to be disappointed.

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I don't care whether slamming is alignment indicative for this player. It hurts the town and he's refusing to address it as such.

I don’t disagree and I see how you would come to this conclusion as town, I think this entire push is NAI for you

I just think painting it as scummy is just bad shade and therefore scummy

Uhh what?

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VOTE: Chemist

This is serious.

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Ehh I'll agree A50 is probtown here.

Based on what? I mean, they both were form about their reads, Yours seems to be more of an inclination and is affected by theirs, so I want to know why YOU would lean town on me here.

Because I think your scumrange has a lot of town elements and you aren't out of that range.

But tonewise you check out. Loose with your engagements, fits what I expect from town!A50. It's an rvs take but I'm happy with it for now.

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Chemist you might notice that RCE was the one who initially pointed out how bitbringers spam makes sense for scum

I did not notice this but they didn’t even specifically say it was because of the spam

I cited bits spam several times actually.

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And the omgus read is bad when you know that I know FB is perfectly willing to scumclaim as scum and is willing to rvs hyperpost.

Scum!FB willing to hyperpost.

Like pantha something something's first concern was Hydra spam so slots aren't getting drowned out and hey looky looky.

Hey, bitbringer is doing the spam thing as a hydra.

Oh no I'm fine, but your first observation was the amount of lurkers and your second order of business was to start spamming. Lurkers are already going to be behind and I doubt they'll Wade through a bunch of nothing to make an effort. So there's a bunch of easy lynches to push later.

Literally complaining about bitbringer spamming.

They're all about spam. I'm not being mysterious.

The only tangible thing to come out of their posting was the A50 read.

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Both is good

Frankly, I tend to agree, because I want to know if someone saw something I didn't see, or they saw the same thing I saw, or if they're just faking. It was -also- poking fun but not "at you" per se.

Pretty sure zito is voting because I said I rolled Vig and he didnt.

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UNVOTE: chemist likely town as well.

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I just finished out a scum game with him and this ain't it fam.

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I just finished out a scum game with him and this ain't it fam.

I am back to the "easy to meta" step of the cycle eh

Gotta start claiming vig every game.

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I would like to posit that bitbringer taking this absurd 'that's just how these games roll' as a response to my comment on this being detrimental to town makes a lot more sense if they are scum.

Perhaps I am delusional, but I would like to believe town-oriented bitbringer would have any sense of self awareness and would have a better response than 'you're a bitch.'

ur actually dumb, you don't see it in this game cause 90% of this playerlist are lurk sacks and useless

literally when fb and I saw this playerlist we knew it was going to be one of those boring lurk sack games where there will be people bitching that we're on page 10 after 2 days with 20+ players

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... rt_order=d
Tana and Ephraim (RC and Sakura Hana) were pretty much super town this game yet their post count (of over 1k) was more than the 2nd and 3rd most posters. Game ended up being 220 pages.

Like I get you're new to mafia and this is your first large theme but don't assert false information when you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. If you aren't prepared to handle large volumes of information, large themes are not for you.

Yeah cool, and people complained there. Mostly town mind you. But the majority of RC's posting was working through reads or mechanics, when he wasn't doing the "everyone is out to get me" bit.

These are not the same.

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And you're doing a hindsight thing because the first thing you said when you hit the dead thread was that you thought RC was scum and I don't doubt the volume posting was part of that. Stop being a hypocrite.

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YOU cared. What are you even talking about?

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Panth if Bit flipped town would you look at any of the people pushing on his behavior differently?

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wow this is the slowest large theme ever.

This is the kind of keen insight I've been waiting on.

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Huh are people even voting bit at this point?

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This game is going to be like pulling teeth.

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Huh are people even voting bit at this point?

Why shouldn't we vote him?
He is a low hanging fruit.

As opposed to all the 2 post town leaders?

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It's gonna be a no from me dawg.

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I elect myself as town leader. And since I am now town leader, I will take thoughts of consideration from my hydra partner and Hebi Hebi
Hebichan.

~Flavor

Here comes the ol' OK2 pocket. A cool classic.

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oh pisskop is town nice

Elaborate.

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Am I doing it right blatant?

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That's an interesting vote.

Bit how familiar are you with Hebi as town or scum.
Hebi what do you think of the flavor Hydra and why are you not engaging them back?

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Congrats!

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I was actually interested too.

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Go and compare bitbringer early game here to FB's early game in Skygazers Jazz Normal where I townread the exact same behavior. I can't recall if FB also claimed scum in rvs that game but isn't anything I'd put past FB in general.

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R-C-E

Feels apeasy to me.
Let's string him up and hang him from a tree!

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You're off but I like the confidence, I'd give you a town lean to appease you but that would just feel like extortion.

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hey rce, I know if I townread u hard enough I can pocket u, so lets skip that part and let me in ur pocket. kthx

I really really hate how true this is.

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I retract my scum read on Zito.

I think Croag is village idiot.

Thank you for coming to my TED talk.

rude callout on Croag like that tbh

Lmfao this happens every single game

I just assumed you don't really care til like.... Day 3.

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That hard townreading me is an easy pocket. It is.

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Haha hold that card for our next game.

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That may be what I'm getting from Chemist actually.

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Would you mind talking about what the difference is between here and there in some detail?
Would appreciate it!

So in Magical girls I think his scum agenda was linear and clear cut.

Find a townie to pocket.
Coast out the early game.
Push where there's an opening.

At least day 1 and then hard tunneled an already scumread slot with nonstellar associations. It was really "in scums wheelhouse" kind of play. So I think he plays more the emotional read than the logical one as scum.

E.g his early Titus read in magical girls which wasn't a logical read as either alignment and didn't respond the best to pressure. But it was enough to get through the day.

Fast forward to this game and there's definitely more engagement with the game. His trajectories make sense from town. So do his lines of questioning, which seem like he's actually asking things to ascertain motives and whether he feels something is alignment indicative. Instead of just asking questions to ask them if that makes sense.

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Friendly reminder that meta is trash and ya'll are spending a lot of energy chasing shadows instead of delving into what people are saying ITT

I like it when you call me meta trash.

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Oooooo snap.

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I only asked about Zito because it seemed the realest out of those three ._ .

why doesnt the vault dealer wagon feel valid/real?

Seems like an in-joke in a pt somewhere

VOTE: Overkill

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I only asked about Zito because it seemed the realest out of those three ._ .

why doesnt the vault dealer wagon feel valid/real?

Seems like an in-joke in a pt somewhere

VOTE: Overkill

this is a stretch.

chen

You're not even voting, get off my back mom.

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I feel like I may be digging this up again when it's kind of blown over, but I would feel bad if I didn't address this.
I can understand why you may have felt attacked by panthaleon's push, but I think it stepped over the line to attack panthaleon's character and to get abusive like this with people around this time. If you're really frustrated with people's play (and especially so if you think they're town) then it's probably better to just ignore him rather than being mean about it? Especially since you have to know that if this is how he's already reacting to abrasive content, it's probably helping no one/going to make things worse, right?

u haven't even seen abusive if u think that was abusive.

also i don't think ur reading very well because that comment u quoted was at RCE not at panth.

Oh...I didn't see that first time around. Pocket denied.

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I only asked about Zito because it seemed the realest out of those three ._ .

why doesnt the vault dealer wagon feel valid/real?

Seems like an in-joke in a pt somewhere

VOTE: Overkill

this is a stretch.

chen

I... Uh.... Didn't realize vault dweller was a player in this game. So uhhh..

UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Overkill sure.

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this wagon feels lazy.

this wagon feels like an intentional attempt to redirect.

People are redirecting from that other huge wagon, totally agree.

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5 posts 18 hours; including one from the mod. What am supposed to respond to/comment on?

OK.. let's try starting a conversation..

@RCE: Are you voting 0verki11 bc you SR him? Because it's the wagon you prefer from the ones available (compromise)? Because you're sheeping some (if so, whom?)? Any other reason?

I don't mind the slot in question for scum. I like the slots on the wagon and it didn't feel as sleazy as some of the others.

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Because it's not the only offender.

+1

Like Overkill is fine as a Lynch, Deb is fine as a lynch, even post claim I'm like eeeeh on JW, vault is useless (sorry not sorry), I agree wizards posts are bad.

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So why exactly do people think panthaleon is town?

Because people are bad and thing wagon analysis before flips is how you win mafia as town.

Super gross misreppy post if Panth flips town.

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They're...all lazy.

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I just finished out a scum game with him and this ain't it fam.

this is rce talking about chemist, and it's the main thing giving me pause on this chemist wagon. It sounds informed.

Rce is one of the players I'm concerned is scum atm, and I feel like a scum rce spews chemist town by this post.

So if we're going to flashwagon something, prefer it to be elsewhere in all honesty.

Deffo think there's multiple scum among the people lurking out the end of this day, too.

Then let chemist be town. Plus you and I can be mutually beneficial. On the condition you are town and not a claim designed as town.

April fool's.

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Uhh who's Karnage? And who cares what his read is?

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Oh creature. Hello, hi, hey.

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Why is everyone leaving 0verki11 wagon?
I understand that lynching Xtoxm is not a good idea, but neighbourizer is an acceptable lynch if the person is scummy enough. Did 0verki11 do something which was seen as towny on the last page?

who cares about my reads (right RCE?) but I'm not seeing what 0verki11 has done that so scummy to make him the best lynch.

It's better than no lynch.

Fwiw if I could viably swing the wagon over to you I would do it in a heartbeat. Just looking through your iso it's a lot of picking and choosing who to whiteknight(Deb) with little reason and who to push with nothing behind it (chemist,Panth) who are both more Towny than not.

Whoever brought up Karnage's interest check on a chemist wagon, spot on. That's scummy.

The chemist wagon is bad and you guys should feel bad. Initially I thought Karnage could be town with a bad read and I probably would have continued thinking that way if there hadn't been other chemist votes.

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I want xtoxm vs TWIE to be spicier tomorrow.

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And?

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Do you think xtoxm is scum because he's pushing you or do you think he's scum and happens to be pushing you?

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You're pushing him and he's calling you an idiot, whatever potatoes tomatoes.

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and my "pushing him" is me quoting a post he made and saying ew.

and then clarifying that that post is now worse because hes not new.

like what game are you reading.

Fair, mixed you up with I will be nice.

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Most of these isos are so bad they kind of mix together. Hopefully someone has a happy nuclear day or something. So we can purge the playerlist.

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It's getting hard to keep you alive when you scumclaim every time you post something.

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In the sense that I don't actually exist.

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It's getting hard to keep you alive when you scumclaim every time you post something.

N ono, obviously this was a hard gambit to get

you

to scumclaim by TW. /s

The double jebait. I guess that deserves a slowclap.

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How did the chemist wagon even get traction, it's led by wizard and Ovek11l..

Reason does not dwell here.

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We should all claim.

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You investigate him or something?

Dec 25th is the second killer.

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Pretty much everyone I wanted to play with is dead.

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No need, I'll shoot Lord, if they don't die they're town(?) I think that's how Desperado works.

Even if it's not then they day continues anyway.

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You investigate him or something?

Dec 25th is the second killer.

The flavor text that appeared for Papa zito and que the night before that. Idk the mechanic behind their role but it's probably a naughty/nice list and an action is taken based on their alignment possibly?

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No need, I'll shoot Lord, if they don't die they're town(?) I think that's how Desperado works.

Even if it's not then they day continues anyway.

you die instead if they're town i think

Yeah I die if I target town. Dunno if they die too. If they don't then I can create an IC regardless of who dies.

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The egg?

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Daykill: Xtoxm

WHY

also I gave QF the thing but that doesn't help now does it

Oh, that's what blatant was talking about.

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Tasty and nutritious. Versatile. Scrambled soft. Extra cheese. Provolone maybe.

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No I take that back, cayenne seasoning with Asiago.

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Chance I'm willing to take.

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Oh you mean like a dayblocker? Nothing changes then, I won't die I just won't have that shot.

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Pretty much everyone I wanted to play with is dead.

Any way I can be helpful?

Townspew in case Lord is town and I die.

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No need, I'll shoot Lord, if they don't die they're town(?) I think that's how Desperado works.

Even if it's not then they day continues anyway.

Great, do it then

I kind of need to interact with lots before I make a choice on shooting.

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Yeah I'm not super keen on Karnage from day 1 I think.

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Can't do anything if you never decide it's enough

Lemme lone q.q

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Are we bringing elaborate back?

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He's not getting to L-1.

I also considered shooting A50. Just because he would likely fool me as scum unless we hit lylo and I'll probably die before that. And if he's town he gets to be an IC which isn't bad.

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Painting traps was another option but I think they're town on reread. Mostly the way they went about forming hard stances around the Overkill/xtoxm wagons and both of them flipping town.

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So why exactly do people think panthaleon is town?

Because people are bad and thing wagon analysis before flips is how you win mafia as town.

Super gross misreppy post if Panth flips town.

I'd still pitchfork Hebi.

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Yeah I'm shooting likely scum today. I don't really scumread A50 to be clear.

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Really blows we didn't have a day 2 to explore some of these associations.

This is why I don't like pirates.

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Everyone, post up to 3 people who you would like to lynch (+1 point) and up to one person you don't want to lynch (-1 point, excluding yourself).
2 people with most points will be put into 1v1 lynch.
You have 4 days to cast your votes.

Lynch in pisskop/The Lord (if The Lord is dead by Desperado action then just pk)

Not lynching VaultDweller

Why not vault?

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I think the Lynch pool should be Karnage, Deb, Hebi if Lord flips town.

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I wish I had 10 shots tbh.

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If Desperado is real they should get rid of Chemist, since we know him to be scum for sure. Lord shooting Xtom was scummy but he could just be a dumb townie, especially with him being a hydra.

Desperado townreads chemist.

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literally

every

scumread in this game is lazy as fuck

Well what do you think about the Overkill wagon and a majority of the kills being on wagon. The two kills offwagon were both on xtoxm which flipped town.

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Well....informative.

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Hey that looks like my list.

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I kind of agree, but considering the targets he's chosen to gift if he ever gets one off that doesn't die the same night it would be pretty hard to push him as scum.

If it happens again he's just SK....Scary Santa.

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Ahh dammit so close.

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That's not nice.

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VOTE: Chemist

There is no excuse for townies not to be voting Chemist at this point. He claimed scum two days ago and

his team

has somehow

managed to get two townies lynched

(

dayvigged

, whatever).

If Desperado is real they should get rid of Chemist, since we know him to be scum for sure. Lord shooting Xtom was scummy but

he could just be a dumb townie

, especially with him being a hydra.

Which is it?

Lord is probably scum, but could be town. If he's town, then (presumably) his reason for scumreading Xtom was the wagon that was on him day one. So either way, Xtom's death is attributable to scum capturing the town.

you know I'm thinking you might be town because if you had a scumteam they would tell you to replace out

Wow that's a spicy take. But yeah wizard is probtown.

Glad I chose not to shoot you today.

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Beware the Ides of March.

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Disagree on xtoxms day 1 play, I thought it was fine despite having a poor read on me.

Snap dayvigging on d2 start without giving anyone a chance to talk about anything is unquestionably scummy. How can you even make that argument?

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I really don't think there are that many protown outcomes that involve planning and discussing a shot while everyone has a shot

This is not really what I mean.

So let's take one of the recent nights deaths, Papa Zito. Let's pretend he flipped investigative. Well night 1 he could have used his ability and gotten a hard guilty for instance. Maybe he watched one of the night 1 nk targets, etc, etc. Then died n2 without giving town that info in the day because d2 lasted 5 minutes. Maybe he makes it to the thread in time for twilight, maybe he doesn't.

Even if Lord is town and made that shot, it's really selfish play and isn't a player I would feel comfortable with having to put the game in their hands.

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I mean we could discuss the xtoxm read, but I think it boils down to a weak observation that turned into omgus. Arguing that he was definitely the best shot because of that is again selfish play.

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So, Karnage I've shot you. So if you're town I'm dead and if you're scum you're dead.

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So you think scum would have quickvigged...but scumreading Lord for quickvigging is bad.

Fair point about the playerlist but we both know there are players it would be nai for, like FB who would do it just because.

I don't know Lord, or anyone in the hydra. So by default I'd treat scummy behavior as scum driven.

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So, Karnage I've shot you. So if you're town I'm dead and if you're scum you're dead.

enjoy the dead thread

Thank god, I was hoping to get out of the game.

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I had a Poe for today depending on Lord's alignment but that was when I was going to shoot there. Unfortunately I needed my target to post in order to Desperado them so, ya.

Umm if Lord flips scum, creature has slight partner equity...don't remember why I'd have to look back at day start.

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Quickvigging was the tactically correct choice for the first poster regardless of alignment. It was the choice of quickvig, not the quickvig itself, that was scummy.

Looks like I was right about Desperado being an idiot. Hopefully he hit mafia by pure blind luck. Anyway, can we get around to lynching the confirmed scum?

Hard disagree. The only thing that redeems town quickvigging is that there is actually a chance to hit scum. But I'm still going to argue that it's more of a detriment to town.

Nice I'll agree scum at risk of being shot is somewhat incentivized. Scum isn't really incentivized to shoot otherwise since the action is already inherently scummy and town should have used that but whatever. What's done is done.

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Quickvigging was the tactically correct choice for the first poster regardless of alignment. It was the choice of quickvig, not the quickvig itself, that was scummy.

Looks like I was right about Desperado being an idiot. Hopefully he hit mafia by pure blind luck. Anyway, can we get around to lynching the confirmed scum?

I'll be blunt, I don't think you're the sharpest tool in the shed.

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Get out of my head lol.

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I'm also rooting for a wizard + chemist scum team. Which is plausible considering wizard claimed roleblocker and hasn't block Chemist once.

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I want it to be true very very badly.

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Lol nah I never reaction test ever.

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This game was a dumpster fire. Grats creature on the win. Regardless of how town or scum played it's well deserved.