Newbie 1961 | Trees II | Over

[Jamelia]

VOTE: zenith

serious vote for letting the vote get to L-1

[Jamelia]

I don’t have anything to post about and I already voted who I thought was scummy at that time. No one asked me about it, so I don’t feel a need to respond to anything atm.

[Jamelia]

I am also surprised that ya are real-voting already.
Don't get me wrong: I do approve of that.
Just that in yer first newbie ya were really reluctant to vote like ever.

I expect ya to be easy to read once ya start posting, so it's a bit frustrating that ya don't.
I can wait until ya have things to say tho.

Well

[in my first game,]

I’ve seen the benefit of voting and how it creates pressure and gets people to start talking more. I wanted in my next game to try out this strat and see how effective I can be in getting info

snipped reference to ongoing game --P

[Jamelia]

Oh. Sorry. I was just answering the question you asked me.

[Jamelia]

sorry. I probs should have reminded ya of that rule since I was talking meta and ya new..

It’s ok. That really is the reason why though. I should have just referenced my first game.

[Jamelia]

@jammy, talk me through the scum mindset you're feeling from the zenith vote.

This is directed at you Jamelia.

Damn sorry I’m not used to being called @Jammy.

I think any vote needs to be looked at carefully. It’s our responsibility to see if someone is about to be on L-1. That vote matters a lot more than putting someone in L-4/3. RVSing just to RVS is fine, but RVSing a wagon to L-1 is either wreckless, scummy or both. I wanted an explanation for it, so I voted for them.

[Jamelia]

Well I expected a response to my vote from zenith when I said “my vote is for zenith due to voting an L-1 this early”

[Jamelia]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

[Jamelia]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

Yeah aight. Ties into the tictacs question.
Let me reiterate.
@Zenith, have you played games on Mafia Scum before?
If not what is your experience?

@Jammy, have you had a disastrous town whoopsie on mafia scum before (don't answer if it involves current games).

Define disastrous

[Jamelia]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

How do you know suspicious is town?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jamelia
I already know you're scum. Confess to make it easier for your partner.

First of all, you’re absolutely ridiculous and way too aggressive.

Second, I don’t know if they’re town. I didn’t say that or imply that.

You have more experience than me. Tell me a time when a rushed RVS led to a scum lynch

[Jamelia]

@jam
u didn't ask for an explanation tho?
I'd also expect ya to be angry/annoyed that an L-1 happened yet I'm not really seeing that.

Get out of my head Charles etc.

@Jammy, you didn't really answer my question, I want you to talk to me about the scum-zenith mindset.
Let's imagine Zenith is scum, talk to me about why scum Zenith is making that vote.

@January, don't make promises you can't keep, because I pay attention.

@Suspicious, reading between the lines Bailey seems like a suspect of yours, why don't you join me on the wagon?

To rush an RVS vote and hope someone doesn’t realize it’s L-1, and they just quick lynched a town

How do you know suspicious is town?
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Jamelia
I already know you're scum. Confess to make it easier for your partner.

First of all, you’re absolutely ridiculous and way too aggressive.

Second, I don’t know if they’re town. I didn’t say that or imply that.

You have more experience than me. Tell me a time when a rushed RVS led to a scum lynch

The bolded sentence strongly implies that the suspicious wagon is a town wagon. Why am I wrong?

YOU ASKED ME in your question why scum!Zenith would want to rush an RVS. I told you why, from scum!Zenith’s perspective.

You forgot your own question.

[Jamelia]

Scum Zenith might also have wanted to be on scum-suspicious's wagon to make himself look good?

Why can't they both be scum?

Why can't neither be scum?

I didn't forget my question I'm just trying to dig into your thought process.

It could be any of those options.

I’ve explained my thought process.

[Jamelia]

Scum Zenith might also have wanted to be on scum-suspicious's wagon to make himself look good?

Why can't they both be scum?

Why can't neither be scum?

I didn't forget my question I'm just trying to dig into your thought process.

It could be any of those options.

I’ve explained my thought process.

OK so this is your position (correct me if I'm wrong) you think the most likely scenario here is that Zenith voted in hopes of a quick lynch?

My position is that I voted for Zenith because I wanted to hear why they put Suspicious on L-1. To me, without any context, that decision was scummy.

I’m not answering more questions from you about this.

[Jamelia]

Scum Zenith might also have wanted to be on scum-suspicious's wagon to make himself look good?

Why can't they both be scum?

Why can't neither be scum?

I didn't forget my question I'm just trying to dig into your thought process.

It could be any of those options.

I’ve explained my thought process.

OK so this is your position (correct me if I'm wrong) you think the most likely scenario here is that Zenith voted in hopes of a quick lynch?

town points
My position is that I voted for Zenith because I wanted to hear why they put Suspicious on L-1. To me, without any context, that decision was scummy.

I’m not answering more questions from you about this.

OK maybe Jammy isn't scum, it's probably the other two.

Why did you change my original quote? I never said “town points”.

[Jamelia]

weird take maybe but I feel like Zenith's silent vote on Suspicious at the beginning of the game is a town move because mafia would be more worried about justifying their vote somehow

but also I can't really see them silent voting as town either so I guess it's just something that doesn't make sense in general

For someone that’s new, I’m not sure how they’d know if this is a weird take or not.

This is my only take I have on January right now. @tictac

[Jamelia]

@Jamelia i find it hard to believe that’s the only thing you noticed if you read everything i’ve said

but no, i’m not new to mafia just to forum mafia

feels like a big deflect of tictacs question but u might want to read again

@Jam ^this
lean town/lean scum and why is more what I'm looking for.

I read it. I don’t have a lean. That’s my answer

[Jamelia]

I’m sorry for being blunt. I just think these questions are bizarre. I know you want to dig for information but I think this is extra

[Jamelia]

asking other people for reads is how you get game content, so how exactly is the question bizarre?

is there something that I've done that you like or dislike?

Right. And I agree, asking people for their reads provides info. 100% agree.

There’s a difference between asking a question and taking the answer vs. asking a question and not liking the answer given and refuting it

[Jamelia]

I’m working late tonight but when I get home I’ll post some general thoughts.

[Jamelia]

Subject: Newbie 1953 | Zooborns IV | Game Over

So I read through everything and tried analyzing as much as possible. My brain actually hurts from trying to form opinion's of scuminess so, yeah. LOL

I agree with the opinion that Leucostictie is pretty neutral, but I wouldn't agree that he is auto-town or whatever. I appreciate the indepth analysis but I found at times the wording of how townspeople should act to be almost a: "I think this is the way Town in this game should play!" versus "I am town, but I wouldn't be surprised if other Town played this way".

I personally don't blame anyone for voting for someone based on inactivity, including Dyrenz' back on Page 2. He hasn't been on since I've started talking and stuff. I think that voting for someone based on inactivity when I personally haven't seen any overt scuminess makes sense?

That's all I really have right now. This is fun! LOL

^This person here is town!Jamelia. That was post #69
He has opinions and he shares them freely.
He says 'LOL' alot because he is having fun analyzing a game with friends.
He is big into the communal aspect of problemsolving, and correcting each others mistakes. That's why I tried to direct him towards january, because I saw that same attitude in jan. Figured there would be common ground and an easy townread there, but no.
And yeah, this person did have a town quickhammer another town in his first game. He would be very wary of L-1. I believe this person would have unvoted Zen before CJ did, regardless of what his read on Zen was, since there was still time left until deadline.

I strongly believe that the person posting in this thread is not town!Jamelia.
There is not a single 'LOL' in his ISO.

@Jamelia: If I am wrong about something here, please tell me why.
@Others: I think this is the first time Jam randed scum. I'd like to lynch him gently if we can. I recognize that this is a meta-read and as such might not be convincing for all. I encourage everyone to take a peek at Jam-iso in that game, and then tell me if ya think that this is the same person at all.

VOTE: Jamelia

I don’t think you’re wrong in analyzing that the way that I’m posting is different in this game than that game. That game was my first game EVER. I didn’t realize how serious the analysis was, and how far people go to figure out who is / isn’t scum.

If you think I’m scum because I haven’t said “LOL” yet then I probably should just give up now! My cover has been blown! Because I haven’t said LOL yet!

Listen to yourself. I’m not trying to be “communal” because I generally do not have a major opinion of who / who isn’t scum at the moment. I’ve been working and haven’t had much time to definitely sit down and be like “oh yes, this is scummy/ not scummy”.

By all means I encourage anyone who thinks that tictac’s logic on this makes sense to vote for me. Because of a meta read from my first game on the website.

[Jamelia]

As for not seeing something is on L-1.

I didn’t. I worked all last night and I didn’t realize we were on a L-1 on Zenith. That’s my bad.

UNVOTE: until I actually sit down and read everything analytically.

[Jamelia]

Am liking the recent content from tictac. Think I'll sheep for now and see where this goes.

VOTE: Jamelia
L-2

Literally LOL at this.

[Jamelia]

If you would quit being dodgy by hiding behind your ISO, maybe we could get somewhere.

I could turn it around on you and tell you to read my ISO for your answers. I won't, but maybe this will help you see how ridiculous you are being?

These two quotes are ridiculously transparent and unnerving compared to the context of what people were asking of Zenith. I compare this to myself, where I was answering the same questions and people wanting to dig for more information, Zenith is just refusing to answer questions and using personal attacks. I still have yet to figure out exactly why if they are town, that they would be this defensive over this especially when they "didn't mean to put Suspicious on L-1" (I'll come back to that below).

Subject: Newbie 1953 | Zooborns IV | Game Over

So I read through everything and tried analyzing as much as possible. My brain actually hurts from trying to form opinion's of scuminess so, yeah. LOL

I agree with the opinion that Leucostictie is pretty neutral, but I wouldn't agree that he is auto-town or whatever. I appreciate the indepth analysis but I found at times the wording of how townspeople should act to be almost a: "I think this is the way Town in this game should play!" versus "I am town, but I wouldn't be surprised if other Town played this way".

I personally don't blame anyone for voting for someone based on inactivity, including Dyrenz' back on Page 2. He hasn't been on since I've started talking and stuff. I think that voting for someone based on inactivity when I personally haven't seen any overt scuminess makes sense?

That's all I really have right now. This is fun! LOL

^This person here is town!Jamelia. That was post #69
He has opinions and he shares them freely.
He says 'LOL' alot because he is having fun analyzing a game with friends.
He is big into the communal aspect of problemsolving, and correcting each others mistakes. That's why I tried to direct him towards january, because I saw that same attitude in jan. Figured there would be common ground and an easy townread there, but no.
And yeah, this person did have a town quickhammer another town in his first game. He would be very wary of L-1. I believe this person would have unvoted Zen before CJ did, regardless of what his read on Zen was, since there was still time left until deadline.

I strongly believe that the person posting in this thread is not town!Jamelia.
There is not a single 'LOL' in his ISO.

@Jamelia: If I am wrong about something here, please tell me why.
@Others: I think this is the first time Jam randed scum. I'd like to lynch him gently if we can. I recognize that this is a meta-read and as such might not be convincing for all. I encourage everyone to take a peek at Jam-iso in that game, and then tell me if ya think that this is the same person at all.

VOTE: Jamelia

Now that I'm on my computer I can properly dissect and defend myself here. From my experience I believe scum-reading someone based on a meta from 1 game (can't talk about the current one) is very dangerous. I think scum-reading anyone based on their meta from this website is also dangerous. I take into consideration what is happening in this game, and not the history of others. If you're going to lynch me because my behavior on this website is different than from when I first joined, then I probably shouldn't have tried playing another game at all.

Am liking the recent content from tictac. Think I'll sheep for now and see where this goes.

VOTE: Jamelia
L-2

Liking someone's content doesn't mean you have to align your vote with them. After battling Suspicion for a good 5-6 pages now, I am pretty shocked you're voting for me here. In your words, can I ask why you think I am your current scumlead?

According to Plotinus on page 1: "Mafia are able to communicate in their Private Topic at all times"

Uh what was this for?

Nothing in Zeniths posts even hinted at L-1 possibly being a mistake.
You jumping to that conclusion looks like ya assumed benign intent because of informed POW or unreasoned defence because he is your buddy.

However

in his next post zen changes his stance and didn't intend to put sus at L-1 but at L-2 (which ya said would be reasonable),like ya gave him an out he didn't think of himself. I think this is a mild point against you guys having

daytalk

.

I didn't change my stance btw. I meant to put him at L-2. If he had already been at L-2 before I had started writing my post then I would have meant to put him at L-1, though I would have clearly marked him as L-1 with the warning to declare intent and give a chance for dialog before actually hammering. Unlike some people, I'm not afraid to put an RVS at L-1 if done properly. (With the disclaimer.) I actually think L-1 is mostly better than L-2.

You would have known you were putting Suspicion on L-1 because you would have gotten a notification showing the previous vote for Suspicion, before you were able to post. So you either ignored that and posted, or you did know you were putting Suspicion into L-1.

[Jamelia]

Also: VOTE: Zenith

L-2.

[Jamelia]

As for not seeing something is on L-1.

I didn’t. I worked all last night and I didn’t realize we were on a L-1 on Zenith. That’s my bad.

Spoiler: online times

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Zenith (4): Jamelia, tictac, ceejayvinoya, Suspicious

Last visited:19 Oct 2019, 14:52
Last visited:19 Oct 2019, 18:04

I’m working late tonight but when I get home I’ll post some general thoughts.

u checked the thread at least 3 times after Plots votecount showing the L-1.
I don't believe u were unaware.

UNVOTE: until I actually sit down and read everything analytically.

yea. that's what I think town!you would have done 5 pages ago.

Literally LOL at this.

Too much WIFOM here..

@tictac What do you think? Which glass would you drink from here?

I judge this LOL organic in nature (lol)
I don't think it's super-relevant coming after I talked about it. Why do ya ask?

Zenith is just refusing to answer questions and using personal attacks.

I do wanna say that I like yer playstyle more than I do zens. If I could lynch him in good conscience I would.
you have a greater chance of actually flipping scum tho.

Now that I'm on my computer I can properly dissect and defend myself here. From my experience I believe scum-reading someone based on a meta from 1 game (can't talk about the current one) is very dangerous. I think scum-reading anyone based on their meta from this website is also dangerous. I take into consideration what is happening in this game, and not the history of others. If you're going to lynch me because my behavior on this website is different than from when I first joined, then I probably shouldn't have tried playing another game at all.

There's a site-meta level argument here that I don't entirely disagree with.
Maybe mafia as a game would be more enjoyable if nobody used meta ever.
Thing is, we don't live in that world. I did spectate that game, and not using that info would not be playing the game honestly.
Also: this isn't really an argument that has any bearing on yer align here.

I’m genuinely at a point that I just want to give up and have y’all lynch me. If a self-meta “checking the website and not seeing Zenith was at L-1” is going to get me lynched, theres 0 way town is winning if I’m going to get lynched for something like this and there’s no other reason why.

[Jamelia]

As for not seeing something is on L-1.

I didn’t. I worked all last night and I didn’t realize we were on a L-1 on Zenith. That’s my bad.

Spoiler: online times

With 9 votes in play, it takes 5 to lynch.

Zenith (4): Jamelia, tictac, ceejayvinoya, Suspicious

Last visited:19 Oct 2019, 14:52
Last visited:19 Oct 2019, 18:04

I’m working late tonight but when I get home I’ll post some general thoughts.

u checked the thread at least 3 times after Plots votecount showing the L-1.
I don't believe u were unaware.

If ya town, I prefer ya to fight this. even if it doesn't succeed, there's better info left behind if ya do.
Let's throw away the meta, and boil things down to this point.
Give reads/opinions on things and let that towniness shine through.
If ya scum, feel free to give up tho.

Your logic is flawed by assuming that my online times coexist with me actively reading and analyzing the posts. My “online times” that we’re sporadic then we’re when I was at work.

And again, not trying to break the rules. But I was checking something else that’s been going on for a lot longer than this.

[Jamelia]

Give reads/opinions on things and let that towniness shine through.

Then do this. ya good at doing this.
maybe don't focus on defense so much?

Well, to be fair. Since my original first post/vote on Zenith, I’ve been asked several times asking to go deeper and deeper on a vote that was pretty simple - just voting for Zen because they allowed a L-1 to happen. This wasn’t that serious of a vote (first page), but it was taken very seriously. Which, fair, I should explain my vote regardless. But after that I felt like the attack against me was riddled with meta-reading and accidental rule breaking, which turned me away from even wanting to give a general read because I feel like that would just force me to be attacked again.

If this sounds “woe is me” then I’m sorry. Like I said before, I find most of my reads to be pretty null at the moment. I’ve said already that I lean zenith either scum, or just a really poor defender of a bad decision. I think the rest of town being quiet while Zen/Tic are fighting me/Suspic. January is odd because they’re knew, but responding like a vet. So that’s just something to watch out for.

I really don’t have a read on anyone else.

[Jamelia]

Effort isn't AI. Whether someone is extremely inactive, or going the extra mile putting in crazy effort, you'll find both town and scum everywhere throughout that spectrum.

Well, depends on the person somewhat, but basically agree here.
Also I think jan overestimates the effort involved in "i know this persons townplay from before" somewhat.

However ya currently voting CJ for inctivity..
Or are ya saying ya think refusal to answer questions is scum indic?
This question mostly rhetorical, but ya can answer if ya like

My issue with meta is that it is easily manipulated; what was once AI indicative of a player, once known in the meta mainstream, can then be used as a tactic for that player to disguise themselves.

u know, people keep saying this like it's obviously true.
No one actually has the ability to change their past at will.
Sure, people can play to their town-meta as scum.
Who in their right mind plays to their scum-meta as town?

The same can be said for when meta is used against a player, as it is easy to make a meta argument that can fit a given narrative.

Is it? I suppose people could be selective on what meta to present

if

the person whose meta is in question has varied games to choose from. Also that is super-easy argument to defend from by saying "you are cherry-picking my meta"

Meta is argued over so often and contradicted; it has its merits to be sure, but it should never be the entire basis for a push.

I'm not pushing Jam because of meta(anymore).
I am pushing him because I think he lied.

also:
- not expressing things out of fear of being attacked is more of a scum-trait than town-trait.
- his only non-zen player-related thought happening to be about january, who I asked him about, seems like a very odd coincidence to originate from a townie analyzing a game. It's much easier explained by scum going:"tictac asked me about jan, better make something up"

Then lynch me. I can’t prove whether I lied or not. That’s your choice to continue a lynch that makes no sense beyond a meta push and thinking I lied about seeing if someone was on L-1 when I came online.

[Jamelia]

Then lynch me.

I mean, that's what I'm trying to do.
Why take it for granted that I will succeed?
Why do ya have no opinion on me yet treat me like I'm guaranteed town?
Why do ya have no opinion on fancy for that matter?
Why do ya only respond to my posts? january tried talking to ya in a much more non-confrontational manner, and I thought ya might respond to that better than to me, but no.
If ya town it's still possible to fight this, even without providing guaranteed proof.
I do need something other than restating old opinions to even possibly change my mind here.
If ya town I recommend doing some analysis, and then talking about it.
Demonstrating town thought process requires first having that thought process.

Honestly I’m so frustrated with your reasoning about why I’m scum that I’d honestly feel more satisfied being lynched and flipping green, with you with an egg on your face than me trying to beg and please about why I’m town.

If you think my lynch is helpful, then go for it. If I’m lynched on D1 or D4, as long as town wins I win. You’ll just be sparing me having to deal with your pure analysis that is flawed, and you know it.

[Jamelia]

I apologize for my non-notified V/LA. I had some emergency personal
problems happen IRL. I think you can tell by my pointed/harsh posts before I left that something was going on.

I understand the claims against me and I hope that I can prove myself to be helpful for us moving forward. If that’s not the case, I can prod out and be replaced by someone who can be more helpful.

Again, I want to apologize to those who have been playing and active. This is not my character to just leave out of no where.

[Jamelia]

What do you mean by "no indication of townreading tictac"? It's right there plainly visible in the same post as my sheep vote, so I don't see how you could miss it.

Am liking the recent content from tictac. Think I'll sheep for now and see where this goes.

VOTE: Jamelia
L-2

Liking someone’s content does not imply you townread them

[Jamelia]

Uhmmm what? Liking someone's recent content and sheeping them does imply that I town read them. Why would I make post #217 If I though tictac is scum?

Because like you said, if you townread them you could have just said so.

Also UNVOTE:

[Jamelia]

UNVOTE: .

[Jamelia]

GB you have nothing new after 181?
I really really dislike the zen wagon

I do too. I think this Zen/Tic vs. Susp/Jam fest went on way too long without someone outside of it picking a side besides January.

Tic voting for Zen is very interesting to me. If I’m wrong, does lynching zen mean I’m scum if zen is town? And if I get lynched and flip green, zen is scum? That doesn’t add up to me

[Jamelia]

I apologize for my non-notified V/LA. I had some emergency personal
problems happen IRL. I think you can tell by my pointed/harsh posts before I left that something was going on.

A) i hope everything is ok!!!
B) ok then the confidence/tone thing i was townreading you for before is probably less ai

It is. I think mentally I was getting very burnt out with work, studying etc. But. Back to normal and enjoying these games!

And yeah. Honestly at that point I was sincerely hoping I would be lynched so I can be out of the game. I wanted to prove someone wrong about things I still find ridiculous (website activity) but I’d much rather be helpful today and probably get night killed or something. Lol

[Jamelia]

Y’all are going hard on me being lynched when I haven’t done anything scummy.

[Jamelia]

I am not sure why you are trying to rush a lynch on me. What’s the urgency of lynching me?

[Jamelia]

So we have tictac posting pictures of bunnies for me to be lynched
January trying to rush lynch me

I’m genuinely curious how this makes sense

[Jamelia]

Part of your push on Jam is that they haven't passed any reads/did not confidently read tic as either scum or town.

I think you’re misreading every single thing i’ve said lol

i’m not pushing on jamelia for not having reads

i’m pushing on jamelia for seemingly townreading tictac - we both agree that jamelia was giving tictac a “townpass” in that one post, right?

i’m saying jamelia is scum because they townread tictac for no reason.

i brought up jamelia having no previous reads to support my argument that Jamelia has no reason to townread tictac

jamelia assumes the person with “bad logic” tunneling her is town - why? because he’s mafia

does this finally make sense to you or are you just trying to sound dense

When did I townread Tictac and give them a pass? I said they’re going to have an egg on their face when I get lynched and flip green. Whether they’re town/mafia doesn’t matter in this scenario. If they’re town, they’re going to look dumb for hard lynching someone who isn’t mafia. If THEY’RE mafia, they’re going to look bad for hard lynching me and an unnecessary target on their back.

Regardless. If they’re town and I get lynched, they’re gonna blame ME for “not being a cooperative town”, and won’t see why their analysis of me is dreadfully flawed. At this point nothing is going to change in my opinion.

I’m still trying to figure out who I’m personally leaning toward. I need to analyze this more

[Jamelia]

There's a marked difference in Jam behavior that coincides w the replacements arriving.
My thinking on that: Skitt is a much better coach than CJ was.

@susp ya don't want a bunny? I'm sad.
I only dole them out for Jam-votes tho, not for guessing reads.

Replacements came when I was prodded. So I got emailed. And so I came back on the website because I felt ready to come back.

I can’t argue with you anymore about this

[Jamelia]

It's kind of hilarious how wrongly this game is being solved but I'm so fucking done with this game if I'm being honest.

LMFAO right

[Jamelia]

Ok we talked and this is getting out of hand.

Suspicious and I are masons. Feel free to be pissed off but lynch one of us and the other dies tonight, you lose both of your PR’s in 1 day.

[Jamelia]

wow! are you claiming mafia too!

hi there partner

slip

[Jamelia]

well hello george
way to split the vote even more

gonna go run some errands i’ll be back in a bit

unvoting for now i think there’s a chance jam might be just a town crumbling under pressure, gonna give them a chance to respond and make decision later

UNVOTE:

Oh my god. Shove it with this “town crumbling under pressure” BS. Y’all came up with (and are still driving) this meta-driven scenario that I purposefully let someone stay on L-1 because I “checked the website and wouldn’t allow this to happen”. If that’s the strongest scum read you have against me then your scum-sussing skills are disasterous

[Jamelia]

Ok we talked and this is getting out of hand.

Suspicious and I are masons. Feel free to be pissed off but lynch one of us and the other dies tonight, you lose both of your PR’s in 1 day.

Also just want to make sure this is seen so hello

[Jamelia]

Ok just did a read through. Andddddd here are my thoughts.

I think that January & Fancy(before DrD) were hiding behind Tic’s meta-driven scumread and went for it. Once I VL/A’d and Tic was off of me, they moved onto different targets since mine was off me. DrD came in and stuck up for me, while tic went back on me immediately and January followed.

I believe scum!DrD comes into the game and refutes January to separate themselves and to not be on the “jam train” when I flip green.

I do think Tictac is town. I think they’re tunneled in this meta lynch on me because it’d be very impressive to lynch someone based on the little game-info in the game.

They’ll claim that my lynch isn’t a “meta driven one” anymore, but that I lied about seeing if someone was at L-1. But that’s still based on a meta that I am NOT ok with someone being in L-1, and a meta that if I’m checking the website, I am checking this game. When there are others going on.

That’s my thinking atm.

[Jamelia]

Nah. Don’t “sheep” me. Use your own judgment if you think I’m not scum. I’d love to see your other thoughts.

[Jamelia]

any other reason for making me scramble than revenge for the tunnel?
I'd like get that. being wrong is a thing that does happen in mafia quite often tho.
Also: why the 'egg on my face' thing?

At the time I’d rather see town lose because the trajectory the scumreading was going down honestly made me really butthurt. You used things from my other games and transported them here, when I’ve only played 2 games before this one. I felt like I couldn’t try a new way of playing mafia because it’d just look like I’m “playing different” in every game and I’d get lynched for it without even being able to play.

You kept insisting that you were right and I just kept getting more frustrated that you wouldn’t even give me the benefit of the doubt. So I just figured you’d look really stupid if I got lynched after you were so sure it was me and I flip green.

But I’d rather us win. And I’d much rather see a town do well and to do that, Suspicion and I decided to just out ourselves. We were the main targets (beyond January) anyways, and we got increasingly frustrated with the way the progression was going.

[Jamelia]

I wouldn't have minded dying to prove you wrong. You're just an ass.

Literally how I feel at this point lol. It’s like their ego can’t handle being wrong

[Jamelia]

so you actually don't think you were scummy at all.

neither of you.

lol.

I think we weren’t cooperating with what was illogical game analysis. At least from my POV

[Jamelia]

Is it possible to extend the deadline?

[Jamelia]

oops duplicated lol

TL;DR
suspicious and jamelia are masons so everyone wants to vote bailey

Thanks January. Yeah sounds like a good lynch independent on mason claims.

PEDIT: Do you have an alternative lynch proposition, Jamelia?

I don’t really agree that January is “for sure town” but no, I don’t have an alternative lynch proposition at the moment.

[Jamelia]

Playing this game was ridiculous but thank you Plotinus for running it very well. I appreciate it.

I probably won’t play much anymore because apparently I’ll just be scum read everytime for “meta reasons” thanks to Tictac.

At least town won.

[Jamelia]

Well now you have this game to point to as an example that you can play differently as town, too. But if mafia isn't fun for you then that's a good thing to realise. Games should be fun and you only have so much free time in your life. It's important to spend that free time on things that bring joy to you and others.

I agree.