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[Sirfetchd]

We should force a double. How about me and Billy both go first pick 4.

Makes buses much more believable. Gonna have to kill worst/wooper if we do that though. He knows who I am and my record of bussing is prolific.

[Sirfetchd]

I only suggest that bc I will bus. And I probably will end up bussing Billy bc it would be great to swing a bloc.

[Sirfetchd]

I guess I have a pretty clear slate. So our picks are 4,6 and I am thinking I like 2,528 is a good pick.

But also Farfetch'd dex number is 83 which could give me an out from the entire process if I go 8,3

[Sirfetchd]

Not gonna rock the boat on you, I'm hella rusty anyway and might be a liability.

[Sirfetchd]

Submit 8,3

Let's go simple if you aren't confident.

[Sirfetchd]

I like the jk/tracker slot.

Also maybe the governer/joat or vig/vengeful.

[Sirfetchd]

@Skitter, I think you may need to come up with a story, even if it is contrived for why you went a high number. People are going to latch on to dumb shit and you having the 'safest' mid table pick might be seen as scum by someone. Xayah is in the same boat though.

The longer we keep the 4's alive, the better for misslynching one of them instead of Billy.

I also like the idea of working out narratives for our picks from a town mindset. I think that Tracker/JK is just the strongest on the board which makes sense from a better on me who I know is town. I think that I am going to go for Perfectionist Vig. I can swing that with Worst/Wooper bc he knows I'll go ham on it. If we can NK him, I would happily shoot one of you and try and ride if I am in a good position. If not, I just take a swing for the fences and take out a "Scummy PR" pick.

Thoughts?

[Sirfetchd]

Oh Shit if i neighbour duck I can probably swing that strong.

If I defend one of you and you flip he will trust me forever.

[Sirfetchd]

He's convinced I can't play scum and not bus.

[Sirfetchd]

1st - JK/Tracker
2nd - Vig/PGO

[Sirfetchd]

Btw, very few people know this is my alt.

I told worst well before I signed up for this game I wasn't too keen on heaps of people knowing.

Just as an fyi

[Sirfetchd]

JK is the 'scummier' role but swings as an additional Doctor. Tracker is better in that it is townier, but also that it is less useful.

[Sirfetchd]

Take JK

[Sirfetchd]

I'll get off when I find something to go ham on.

[Sirfetchd]

Ok I got something to run with.

[Sirfetchd]

If my day 1 tunnel is scum, I probably am too.

I bus super fucking hard when I get a chance to.

If I tunnel someone as town, they are usually town.

Worst ran numbers on me, in a nine player game it is statistically advantageous to just Lynch whoever my day 1 scum read is. Like every fibre of my being is telling me to try and eviscerate skitter. So I'm trying to channel that elsewhere.

[Sirfetchd]

Other people know that, but only a handful of people know who I am on this alt.

[Sirfetchd]

How's everyone feeling?

[Sirfetchd]

nah not really. I whipped people up in to voting you seemed to be a bit of a settle.

I don't think you are in any danger.

[Sirfetchd]

Looks a bit like skits the only person really pushing me.

ducky liking me is good. I am playing to my town game fairly accurately.

[Sirfetchd]

Sorry folks, going to take a stab now for late game leverage.

[Sirfetchd]

Day 1 Xayah Lynch would be sick for our long term.

[Sirfetchd]

Me - Hey ss would you Lynch Xayah or Kerset?

Everyone - I'm gonna vote Kerset bc I don't wanna vote Xayah

[Sirfetchd]

Touch wood none of us suddenly get lynched. I would really like to JK Skitter.

So that would mean Billy would have to make the kill. I would like both of you to weigh in here bc it would be beneficial for me to crumb my target towards the end of today so I would like it worked out sooner rather than later.

[Sirfetchd]

Depends on who gets lynched. I think rb is very good target.

[Sirfetchd]

That should be enough to get you off the agenda for today Billy hopefully.

[Sirfetchd]

It doesn't serve my agenda rn, but skit, if you need a scum read, rb is very attackable over page 49.

[Sirfetchd]

This is THE most town read I have ever been in a phase where I am not an IC.

[Sirfetchd]

I am going to try and swing momentum.

But your post about not being able to post is hurting you as much as I believe your circumstances are true. Sorry.

[Sirfetchd]

ok so I jk Xayah.

Go maybe it was good luck they were both scum.

Also sorry if I'm not around alot right now. My house had a leak and one of our rooms flooded.

[Sirfetchd]

Scumread.

Idk, we're in a pinch with multitasking.

[Sirfetchd]

I think you still kill rb.

jk on Suji

[Sirfetchd]

Sirfetchd JKs Wooper

skitter30 Kills rb

Feel free to change up the kill, but I think this is good. I can argue a half doc / half makes a good killer on a theoretical scum team. You can argue your action failed. I think this is a bit more solid.

[Sirfetchd]

Yup

[Sirfetchd]

I believe I mentioned that. Probably vig. But it's hella attackable.

[Sirfetchd]

There was a worry that I would be under scrutiny, But I seem to be ok for the immediate moment. I think I can leave you be and focus on finding some reads to go for.

You are safe for a phase or two. Night actions are going to be messy later though.

[Sirfetchd]

Fuck me sideways with a hamster.

[Sirfetchd]

I am k with JK'ing him on basis of being a strong lurker. We can see how things look at end of day.

[Sirfetchd]

I think that is a poor idea when you are running the town.

Don't muddy the water. I have a history of game solving which is why I did that to stop scum lean momentum.

Lik it's your life, but I think this is a case of be patient. Save it for massclaim.

[Sirfetchd]

duck can and will push me for being alive if he has spare misslynches

[Sirfetchd]

Crumb it, then let it lie if you don't need it.

[Sirfetchd]

SS: If only I wasn't distancing myself from universal BU.

[Sirfetchd]

It needed him to be a lucky fuck. But I think I can narrative it. We have so much time to work out a night plan.

[Sirfetchd]

Ok, I got ducky on my Xayah theory.

If we avoid lynching Xayah today, kill someone loud and avoid PRs, we have an easy misslynch tomorrow.

Which puts us at about 2/7 with potential town hard town read on me from ducky for being wrong. My scum meta is hard in that I would rush to be on billy and if I am scum Xayah is about 80% chance of being scum based on day 1 play.

I think we need Aaron dead today. Mostly bc I am certain I am his vig target if he is that and not dead.

[Sirfetchd]

Duck is primed and ready.

[Sirfetchd]

Look at the last couple of posts of his.

I played a perfect resemblance of my scum game only if Xayah is scum. If she flips town, I am almost certainly town in duck's book.

[Sirfetchd]

Nah, if he outlives xayah I will be town read.

[Sirfetchd]

It depends on what you are planning on doing?

I like JKing ducky again and playing for acting as pseudo doc. He didn't bring up me blocking him making it a safe doc.
I can probs argue blocking Aaron maybe.
I can argue blocking flub.
I can 'maybe' block SS if I go he faded but I'm not super keen on it.

Feel like Aaron will shoot me. So maybe there. What do you think. Like what if he PGO?

[Sirfetchd]

SS isn't a scum claim. I even interacted with him about UB and he was coy about the whole thing. So I can argue he's the only person I DIDN'T think had it. But it's weak sure. I think my best targets are Aaron, Flub, and Ducky in relation to day play.

I would say Flub and Duck are better. I might just block flub, you kill SS and we just hope wrt Aaron.

[Sirfetchd]

JK on Flub

Skit kills SS

[Sirfetchd]

yup, I think I can whip up support for Xayah, and my positioned reads are within our Lynch pool.

I am worried about Aaron but we can't chase shadows when behind.

[Sirfetchd]

Good news for a potential mass claim is that we should have you going late and I can just be honest.

[Sirfetchd]

Not really. Because you can win Lylo off it. And if you go last go for an guilty on someone who has claimed a role with a gun. Make it seem legit. Can even call out like a slot or two that you want them to go ahead to 'catch' people claiming gun roles without one and vice versa.

[Sirfetchd]

Hey Wizard, is there a full list of role options that would get "Has Gun" from gunsmith?

[Sirfetchd]

ty

[Sirfetchd]

I agree. I still think my posted actions are correct.

[Sirfetchd]

If I do get vigged, you are still in a dece spot. Just really shit. Try and work out if has used his shot and you can maybe pretend you targetted him bc there was some confusion in thread about his role.

I think if you claim VT you get PoE'd out of the game despite your town cred.

[Sirfetchd]

Funny, if we had gotten Xayah lynched, we would be so strong. And yet, I hope that I framed you well enough to have you be the only person off the table after it.

[Sirfetchd]

I think if you get high and mighty and demand control of town you can ride "lol maybe my reads suck" to end game.

[Sirfetchd]

I think we can p much say with about 80% certainty that Flub is a JOAT.

[Sirfetchd]

Ducky has a result that involves you but the looks of it. But it may be positive for you.

[Sirfetchd]

Could he be perf vig and killed xayah?

[Sirfetchd]

duck

[Sirfetchd]

I think that is in response to nom flip honestly.

[Sirfetchd]

Oh Shit. I think he might be 1 shot watcher. Either watched Xayah or watched SS. Maybe watched you.

[Sirfetchd]

I think a solid "uhh no?" might work.

[Sirfetchd]

Told ya duck would town read me on a xayah flip.

[Sirfetchd]

wooper - Not lynchable
Sirfetchd - Me
Sujimichi - Lynchable
skitter30 - You
Something_Smart - Lynchable
Kerset - Lynchable (hard)
AaronFrost - Lynchable
Flubbernugget - Lynchable
Luca Blight - Not Lynchable until late
Adorable - Lynchable (hard)

[Sirfetchd]

If ducky is going to town lead, we will Lynch Aaron today no questions asked.

I can be super fucking inaccurate in reading. And if I somehow outlive you bc vig or something I get town crew.

I think I am going to try and sell a SS is scum for avoiding massclaim after a day 1 scum Lynch. Especially if he was 'forced' in to taking cop as UB. Flubb is dangerous but I think I have justifiable reason to keep targeting him.

[Sirfetchd]

We are the only people scum reading each other.

Just be careful, we don't want another day 1.

[Sirfetchd]

Nice toeing around my identity.

[Sirfetchd]

I will try and be around later.

But yeah we are ok, we are two of the three townies slots right now. And yeah this is the kind of game state I thrive in. As both alignments. Which is why I started taking charge and steering.

[Sirfetchd]

yeah can do

My claim is easy as so I can concentrate on you.

[Sirfetchd]

You can also claim he has a gun and confirm his role. Makes sense with your pushes I guess. Depends if you think you can swing it. Maybe you figured you'd let it slide to masjclaim bc I said he picked something weird.

You'd have to have targeted him night 1.

[Sirfetchd]

Can' have guilted him last night. I JKd him.

[Sirfetchd]

Say you thought he was JOAT or something.

[Sirfetchd]

Nah, you are fine now. Bc gunsmith is shithouse post mass claim. You just gotta strategically inno and the pool is small.

[Sirfetchd]

You are correct.

Ok you have one target. Need a night 1.

[Sirfetchd]

Be careful. You may have been role blocked last night.

[Sirfetchd]

I think ss is the blocker.

And I think he blocked you, and wants you to claim before him. And I am gonna try and make it happen. Might be best to lay low until I get ducky to back me up and force his hand. Comb through SS's iso for his crumbs if you can / are online / looking for something to do.

[Sirfetchd]

Ok we have to dive something fierce. Might be worth looking at other ss games to see how he crumbs.

SS is either JOAT or Doc/RB.

The issue is we have no idea which he is, and which role has been used. Best case, he is not joat and we find he has picked doc while diving. Next best is if he is not JOAT and we see he is rb, then you claim to have been blocked, we kill flub today, kill him and weave some fucking magic in thread tomorrow.

If he has joat we HAVE to find some serious shit in his iso or you are playing 50% chances. Were you reading rb town day 1? Bc maybe you can claim neighbours. It would be rough you'd still need a reason to have targeted xayah (helping her get back in to the game maybe or trying to read her 1 on 1?) Bc then you got reasons for no shit.

Bottom line is, we need to deep dive SS. And quickly. He mentioned a game where he did a crash course in crumbing. If you can find that, you might be able to see his methods and apply them to this game.

[Sirfetchd]

Ohhhhhhhh, just realised we are ok, not bc we know his slot, but bc we know he can't doc himself.

Ok still would be shit if he is JOAT bc we still need to play chicken over RB vs Commute.

[Sirfetchd]

We still have to be prepped bc if he is joat we could still be fucked.

[Sirfetchd]

Like fuck I gotta do actual irl work. I'll check in, but you should still dive him if you can.

[Sirfetchd]

Poor duck gonna feel bad post game.

[Sirfetchd]

Simultaneously hilarious and sad.

Poor guy.

[Sirfetchd]

maybe, if he thinks he got the best role?

[Sirfetchd]

How strong do you think we can get flub lynched today?

Bc you might be able to claim vt and get Suji lynched tomorrow and just line up the misslynches. Like we say Sujimichi is claiming vt bc they have been doing the kills? Depends what others pick, but it's potentially a strong play to just dictate the entire game.

[Sirfetchd]

Is scum not multitasking common knowledge?

[Sirfetchd]

The numbers 'just' make it rough to do that.

Currently 8-2.

[Sirfetchd]

You'd need another VT.

[Sirfetchd]

Ok so my idea is, Suji is currently the only Neighbour claimant. If you just claim VT with some different submissions we may be able to swing that Suji is doing a shitty fake claim to explain no actions bc he been killing. Basically accuse Suji of doing exactly what we're doing. Issue is that it would need to not lead back to you and there to still be confusion after he DOES flip VT. So if you can pin it on like Kerset or Adorable instead then that'd be sick.

We get town on a wild goose chase to find the Neighbour/Gunsmith slot.

It would be tough play, BUT, it would also potentially just mechanically secure us to get to Lylo.

[Sirfetchd]

It's defs a risky play. And it would all be on you to be a convincing VT. But thought I'd throw it out in case you saw merit in it.

[Sirfetchd]

We have a live Commuter/Watcher slot. Just keep an eye on that. That's another thing we have to worry about potentially. But it should work out in the wash.

Would be really weird if No-one has JOAT.

[Sirfetchd]

Yeah, p much. Risky but could just outright win the game.

[Sirfetchd]

Only do what you're comfortable with.

I think we're in a weird position where there is going to be immediate issues with claims that don't have proven actions due to the death. So VT claims and claims that are unconfirmed are under scrutiny immediately. Which is actually somewhat annoying for me bc I have had zero game impact at night so far.

Either way you are likely to be in the discussion.

[Sirfetchd]

You are right about the issues with you flipping with no hood. Hadn't thought of that. Yeah we have to keep you alive. The only other kill we have to worry about is JOAT.

[Sirfetchd]

I actually think best case scenario right now is that SS is not a JOAT. If that is true, we, as a whole should be fine.

[Sirfetchd]

Your ability to claim an action you didn't do depends on what people claim.

[Sirfetchd]

Like one of my biggest worries right now is that SS was watched and docced.

[Sirfetchd]

We kinda really need SS to be a commuter or been docced otherwise you are dead by PoE pretty soon. But we can't control actions that have already happened.

[Sirfetchd]

Can't blindly claim it. SS could be role blocker and have that slot if it's free when you go to claim.

[Sirfetchd]

Ok fuck it. Adorable is out of action for a little they said. I am going to dive SS's iso tonight.

[Sirfetchd]

Ok yeah you are probsright he pushed Aaron at start of day.

[Sirfetchd]

I don't see why you can't have done Aaron n1.

Remember you gotta claim no result if the only way you were stopped is an RB. Even though it's unlikely.

[Sirfetchd]

ahhhhhh true.

Did you post any reads lists?

[Sirfetchd]

Look if no one is a doc, just clear Aaron and we kill him tonight.

I can't protect him bc I'll block him so it doesn't make a difference.

[Sirfetchd]

I agree he commuted

[Sirfetchd]

Why does he push Aaron if he rb on you?

Comb his play today.

[Sirfetchd]

Don't claim target on flub. Conf towns him if you get caught in a lie. Sorry

[Sirfetchd]

Wait

[Sirfetchd]

Claim no result on ss, covers both ways.

[Sirfetchd]

Yeah. I'm not implicated.

Just say no result. Check terminology with wizard

[Sirfetchd]

As do you get no result or blocked as night result

[Sirfetchd]

Hey wizard if you get blocked with an investigative do you get no result or blocked?

[Sirfetchd]

Do that skit

[Sirfetchd]

Comets are not hit by anything, but the conditional gets a recharge if they dodge death

Wizard?

[Sirfetchd]

Tada

[Sirfetchd]

Haha. Good luck.

[Sirfetchd]

You gonna have fire regardless

[Sirfetchd]

yup

[Sirfetchd]

Talk about the doc thing you mentioned I guess / didn't want to be a nk target.

Also innos aren't claim worthy.

Just be snooty I guess.

[Sirfetchd]

shrug

We didn't expect to get screwed by ss not claiming.

[Sirfetchd]

I do once Flub flips.

Metown is sure I blocked the killer last night.

[Sirfetchd]

yeah that's what I did 100%

[Sirfetchd]

I'm gonna try and just steer town. We can get shit happening from tomorrow.

[Sirfetchd]

eh, you can have never bothered to ask / been playing long enough to assume you know how roles work.

Regardless. we some sweet easy Lynch bait to Lynch.

[Sirfetchd]

ironic

[Sirfetchd]

Oh man you fucked.

[Sirfetchd]

shoulda dived yourself

Wish me luck skit.

[Sirfetchd]

Man I dunno how to enter here.

[Sirfetchd]

Already done lol.

Like I have a mechanical guilty. A dumb slipped fuck could be just fucking dumb with amnesia (how I'm gonna frame you sorry)

So yeah flub first then you.

Arguing order don't matter.

[Sirfetchd]

100% Just never post again unless it is to hammer Flub.

[Sirfetchd]

Ok so I GOTTA kill SS tonight. bc we dunno if he gonna kill you or rb you tonight.

If you aren't dead, I blocked you, if you are dead I make something up.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

We could take a risk where I JK SS and you kill Aaron. But if SS try to doc Aaron we just straight up lose. But if he tried to kill or block you, then either way I claim I JK'd you which works with either.

Wizard: Joat gets no notification they were blocked on a failed kill, doc, or rb?

[Sirfetchd]

Look if SS doesn't say he's killing you, it makes sense for me to block you. But I get a free pass to block SS if he tries to either block or kill you.

The only worry is he kills someone else or docs our kill.

edit: that's worse, I can't block ss then.

[Sirfetchd]

you gotta get in, secure flub.

[Sirfetchd]

I think if you stream of consciousness now and act like it's all in the past we can have serious theatre tomorrow.

[Sirfetchd]

Fuck me is Duck going to feel like shit post game.



We love you, you gorgeous sweet Tom boy.

[Sirfetchd]

My goal right now is ham fist this so fucking hard that if I turn up dead and scum for some ungodly reason like night actions, that you then become pretty clear.

[Sirfetchd]

This is turning in to us leveraging our pull with duck against each other but we're actually working together and we're going to kill the poor boy.

[Sirfetchd]

hey skit, can I say that I enjoy being scum with you.

[Sirfetchd]

hahahahaha, you're doing great.

[Sirfetchd]

Luca being on us isn't too worrying atm.

He isn't who we are trying to play.

[Sirfetchd]

Looks like we've done enough for now.

I may be under some fire but I think you are fairly likely dead.

We have to play to not lose in the night phase so we can't silence specific people for day play. We gotta ensure that either Aaron or SS dies tonight with a pref for Aaron. My working theory is kill Aaron and JK on SS.

It messes up if SS docs aaron or ss kills not you. What do think are chances of that?

[Sirfetchd]

If SS tries to shoot you, I intend to claim I blocked you.

[Sirfetchd]

Fucking tiny. bc I will not be helping.

[Sirfetchd]

Ok so I said nothing abut my block target.

SS wont want to waste his kill.

I reckon I kill him, and claim I JKd you.

[Sirfetchd]

No. Luca already on us

[Sirfetchd]

then claim a result.

Die, and give me cred?

[Sirfetchd]

People will wifom themselves.

[Sirfetchd]

I think it depends on how everything plays out. I feel like you should 'clear' someone obvious like Wooper, bc you would now have a cop on him bc he used his shot.

It will create deep wolf paranoia bc that will happen. And I can buddy him a bit more by going but doesn't he make sense as the n1 killer, why wouldn't he be the killer if scum and maybe I can get a cross vote in Lylo or something.

Or, it could be all for naught and Aaron/ss have copped me.

[Sirfetchd]

Yeah like we have to take risks. Maybe 'clear' suji?

Actually I like that. I'll come in and counterclaim you unless you got killed by ss. We can have a fight. You may even be able to ride through if Luca doesn't get a huge say in.

I am probably not going to be on as much this week though, so may not be able to do a theatre crash course. You've seen me hardline do it before though.