Open 769: Venrob's PYP X/Y (Town Wins)
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Even if there is a town Governor, i don't believe that he would come out. You created too much pressure about this. Personally i would choose JOAT over Gov, however i would also take 1 as my second draft number. Looking at the fact that barely anyone did it, i am afraid that people here are not meta players.- Kerset
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If they got 3 picks in sequence on the middle of list, then they can pick 3 different powerful roles as first choice. If they failed to get some of them, then they know, which roles were selected by #1/#2 picks. In this mode there is no riskin doing so, bc they still got second choice. The fact that we got exactly 9, 10 and 11 is odd, such perfect randomness in kind of high numbers.In post 30, skitter30 wrote:
Oh? How did you reach this conclusion?In post 28, Kerset wrote:Draft choice is such huge source of information. With double role pick {8,9,10,11} are able to find out which roles were taken by top players. It's obv that both {9,10} are scum.
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https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?ti ... /Y#HistoryIn post 79, Something_Smart wrote:We had every number less than 12 except for 2 and 7. I don't think that's significant.
It is rare looking at previous games. Among 15 games: 567, 518 and 732were close to it by missing one number. One game 649 got this perfectly as our game and had scum there.- Kerset
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Do want to talk about Governor then? For me you want to scare him away from his thoughts without offering anything superior.In post 116, Xayah wrote:
Because S_S doesn't like scum and is honestly not the best at it. Sure, he's decent but he's no god. The thing S_S is gonna do here is instantly go into mech talk because mech talk is the most simple thing you can do to try and appear busy when really you're not. It's not helping and something I can see scum him going for right away. He's made one townread for 'a stupid reason' but that's it and doesn't go into more detail. Really, we should drop this and force people to play. Anyone regardless of your alignment or how bad you are can talk mech. Not everyone can be decent at mafia. Let's force people to play the gameIn post 113, Sujimichi wrote:Why is Something_Smart obvious scum (The fact that I have to ask that question means it likely isn't obvious, so let's just go with "Why is Something_Smart scum")?- Kerset
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Did Sirfetchd convince you or it was coincidence?
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Why do you scumread Luna for posting? Your main argument is that scum is more likely to lurk, so shouldn't this apply to Luna as well? The safe way for Luna would be not voting nomnomnom at all.In post 161, Sirfetchd wrote:
I am defending bc you have convinced me you are scum and I am calling you out for backing nom in to a corner.In post 159, Luca Blight wrote:
Once again, it wasn’t her initial comment that I found scummy. It was a comment that could have come from either alignment. She could have been lying, she could have been truthful, I don’t know. Not discussing the setup doesn’t mean she would have had to lurk unless she discussed it though, as I am myself proving.In post 157, Sirfetchd wrote:My main issue is that you are arguing that if nom is telling the truth then they should have shut up and lurked.
Which is the completely wrong thing to do. If nom really wanted a safe way in to the game by setup speccing, that's what would have happened, no?
I still don’t get why you trust her so deeply. Is she incapable of lying about such a thing as scum?- Kerset
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Do you disagree with every townread over here?In post 215, skitter30 wrote:
noIn post 184, AaronFrost wrote:I don't know why but I'm getting strong town vibes from Sirfetchd- Kerset
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Strange thing to say after #271. Sounds like 'no u'.In post 278, skitter30 wrote:Aaron feels weird rn- Kerset
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You missed the whole point. He was comparing this game with his previous gamesIn post 272, AaronFrost wrote:
More likely than not everyone is some kind of PR in this game, so the logic of "I'm playing different because I'm a PR" doesn't hold up as well here.In post 250, Flubbernugget wrote:
Because I'm not a VT?In post 199, skitter30 wrote:flubb why do you feel so different rn from like the last at least two times that i've played with you?- Kerset
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I am suprised that someone as active as skitter skipped 144.In post 144, Luca Blight wrote:Glancing through the thread I don’t feel great about Skitter either. I think frost is Town atm. Flubber seems Town as well. Null on everyone else atm.- Kerset
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Who was projecting there nomnomnom or aaron?In post 273, Something_Smart wrote:
Eh, it's all projecting. I don't think projecting is that towny as it's super easy to fake as scum.In post 270, AaronFrost wrote:Huh I actually kinda like this response.- Kerset
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Sure why would he stop doing this. You only called him a potential scum. No one would bother to avoid scummy behavior in this game.In post 306, Xayah wrote:[
How do you get this at all? No one is going to get ‘scared away’ from talking about something from a vote. That’s not how people work. (...) What I am ‘offering’ is a vote on why someone is scum.- Kerset
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In post 110, Xayah wrote: Let's start with voting an obvious scum Here let me start
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LOL? She did indeed.In post 307, Xayah wrote:
Why is S_S obvious scum to some of you people? I overblew the read a little bit just so you guys would get off the awful mech talk. So seeing ‘obvious’ is strange. I do like nomnoms answer but the others are hmmm
Regardless for now VOTE: Aaron- Kerset
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Nope, it was ironyIn post 318, Xayah wrote:
So you agree with me that your question/response to me was basically pointless? Well, that was easier than I expected.In post 313, Kerset wrote:
Sure why would he stop doing this. You only called him a potential scum. No one would bother to avoid scummy behavior in this game.In post 306, Xayah wrote:[
How do you get this at all? No one is going to get ‘scared away’ from talking about something from a vote. That’s not how people work. (...) What I am ‘offering’ is a vote on why someone is scum.- Kerset
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Finnaly opened? We started this day after role pick.
You are so luckly to notice this few hours before your prod time.- Kerset
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The natural follow up for you would be to either admit that you lurk or disagree arnd claim that you lack of time or really forgot about this game. If you throw away all of your reads just to counter attack, then I am satisfied with my RT.In post 345, rb wrote:you know, i think kerset is pretty likely to be scum here
because it's like a soft accusation that i'm scum, but never actually says it. it's like, "haha oh yeah sure, you "forgot" - the natural follow-up would be to then say why they think i'm lying? or think i'm scum?
also: their only focus on all the content i've provided so far is not any of the opinions i've had about the game, but literally just the post in which i said, "i'm backreading"
this doesn't scan to me as town, whether new player or not.
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Why did you assume that i disagree with anything else? You state that i provide no content. Were would you read that there was anything else that was bothering me?In post 359, rb wrote:
i don't feel any need to defend myself. the fact that you focus solely on the first part of my content where i simply say i'm backreading the game that took 4 days to finally open, which i forgot about in that time is much more relevant to me than any concern for your accusation.
you know why? because you didn't even attach a vote or even apply a scumread. you just said, "sure, you forgot" and left it at that
and now the only content you're providing is to _defend yourself_ where previously all you did was talk mechanics, and complain about the state of the town's game - with no effort to improve the state of the town.
Even if you somehow guessed that i disliked one of your opinions, why would i comment a statement, which is one sentence long? It was obvious that you only glanced on topic so far, because you gave no arguments to discuss about.
I won't vote people every single time i ask them a question.
You beg Aaron and wooper to backup you with votes - you are the one concerned about your appearance. For what other reason would you need votes on me right now? Especially the one, which came out of sympathy. I am not on L-2, so all you can get here is good look.In post 359, rb wrote: you're more concerned about how you appear than in solving the game, it's obvious.
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Are you?In post 427, nomnomnom wrote: Yup. Rb's town. Fairly sure of it. We are on the exact same wavelength.In post 359, rb wrote: and now the only content you're providing is to _defend yourself_where previously all you did was talk mechanics, and complain about the state of the town's game- with no effort to improve the state of the town.
you're more concerned about how you appear than in solving the game, it's obvious.
So which is the case? Do I only talk about state of town and mech or maybe i throw a lot of accusations at people? That is contradiction for me.In post 424, nomnomnom wrote: Picture this: someone's accusations or slight shades against people, and what they vote, can be seen as a ratio. I see it as a vote/shade ratio, where you can see what someone says in regards to people that could be seen as shading or outright accusation, and where they vote. In Kerset's case, their isois full to the brim with shading and accusations, but the only vote that they've made is against rb.- Kerset
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I still don't understand, you didn't help me.In post 444, skitter30 wrote:
you're creating a fairly thin distinction that is all but irrelevant given what nom and rb are actually saying about youIn post 439, Kerset wrote:So which is the case? Do I only talk about state of town and mech or maybe i throw a lot of accusations at people? That is contradiction for me.
@nom this is the scummiest thing i've seen kerset do thus far ^
@rb do you agree with
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Why didn't you say this about Sirfetch?In post 477, AaronFrost wrote:
Bad post. Trying to distract from the Kerset/rb discussions.In post 449, Xayah wrote:Don't know how I feel about the topic just being behind the Kerset and rb slot. Kerset has really bad arguments but the approach they bring to the game feels towny. I think we should still go for Aaron here. Rb is just gonna be...well rb- Kerset
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This is my 3rd gameIn post 489, skitter30 wrote:
this is a fascinating theory but i'm not sure, overall, how much stock i actually put into it in practiceIn post 446, nomnomnom wrote:b) I don't think so. I'm a much more emotional player. I "feel" rather than analyze. These are observations with the games I've went through rather than something I applied over and over, but I do feel it holds water.
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I don't think that you will one of this 'fewer people', if you keep this anti-town behaviour. I thought you just had problems IRL.In post 538, Wooper wrote:
other than all my reads? zilch, why?In post 536, Luca Blight wrote:What other reads do you have, Wooper?
suspect it's absence of townvibes; I don't care about this game yet and may not until there's fewer people alivenomnomnom wrote:Why do I get scumvibes from Wooper?
I swear to god I wanted to townread the slot because I've played many games with ducky where I soulread him and wanted to see how it develops but I have this sinking feeling that ducky isn't town.- Kerset
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Och sorry i misread #282. Makes sense.In post 605, nomnomnom wrote:
First of all I didn't shade skitter I believe?In post 599, Kerset wrote:@nom3 When you shaded s_s, skitter and flubb you compared their gameplay to their previous games. When you scumread me you compared me to yourself and your general theories. Why didn't you compare me to my previous games like you did with others?
Second, I have first-hand experience with them, which is important because I am an emotional player and I need first-hand experience communicating with people to establish "how they feel like". I don't with you so even if I were to go back on your games and analyze them I'd do a very poor job of establishing a meta for you. I've tried in the past and it ended terribly so I wouldn't want to do this again.- Kerset
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During both of my D1 i placed vote exactly 3 times. One on the beginning, second midway and third near the end of the day. You lie if you find any difference here.In post 617, rb wrote: verified town!kerset: has thoughts, pushes in the direction of those thoughts, calls people out when they think they are being poor town members and then PUTS THEIR VOTE ON THEM- Kerset
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Rb avoid my question even that gave him a reminder. Life is thought.In post 631, Wooper wrote:Kerset I don't enjoy being shaded then avoided much :c- Kerset
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Less repeating more arguments please.In post 635, rb wrote:so much town swag in previous games
you are literally a husk of your previous games in this game- Kerset
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I bet that as soon as Rb wakes up he will repeatedly call each of my read OMG THATS SO SCUMMYYY but whateverIn post 657, Luca Blight wrote:@Kerset: what other reads do you have aside from rb?
aaron - I dislike the way he approach people, he is not trying to understand them. His reactions to skitter were bad but in overall, i think that his slot is overratted. He receives more blame that he deserves. SL
billy - His reads are meh but he showed some proper views. Not so bad. null
flubber - He is very protective and i don't know why. I want to see how is he going to behave, when all of suspicion moves to other people. null
luca - He gives fair reasoning for each suspicion that he makes also he focused on building his own opinions rather then sheeping them. I can totally see a town player following such progression. TR
nom - I guess that she is emotional player? I don't have the same data as she does about her relations so its really hard for me to check her thoughts. null
PMmyst - lack of posts
Sir - He appears to be have independent mind, which is quite unique perk in this game and town indicative for me. There are some flaws in his logic but i would bet that he is misguided rather then scummy. TR
skitter - He makes a lot of posts and not all of them are useful, however i think that he has good intentions. He is consequent and not opportunistic(even when you call him town). I think that I will have better read on him during D2 (either here or in dead chat). TL
s_s - He is fine. I don't have any strong feeling towards this person but others seems to vouch for him. TL
suji - I dislike his general progression. He seems to hide his real thoughts, never made use of RT. #140 was odd. SL
wooper - I don't take him serious. I just hope that vigilante won't missshot because of his recklessness.
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I looking at the VC and rb desire to death tunnel me. There are some odds.In post 696, skitter30 wrote:
do u think ur getting lynched today?In post 673, Kerset wrote:I think that I will have better read on him during D2 (either here or in dead chat).- Kerset
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There are more then 4 days left. Why are you sure about this? He is not even the least voted person here.In post 739, Luca Blight wrote:Kerset, I suggest voting someone other than rb, because rb isn’t being lynched today.- Kerset
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Early game is the least indicative phase but for some reason you make your SR based around that. If you have at least mediocre confidence that he is scum, you should be able to read him farther. Especially someone with 140 posts like Skitter.In post 749, Billy Pilgrim wrote: @Kerset, I only have experience with Skitt as a mod, so I dont know what I make of the rest of her play. It feels curt and snippy, but that could be NAI.
*sigh* VOTE: Billy- Kerset
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Rules were stated and I knew them. Before i signed for this game i searched "Venrob's PYP X/Y" in wiki search tool.In post 752, PMysterious wrote:Well, given that the rules for draft numbers were never stated, it is possible that this is the case.- Kerset
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473 I think that she gave the most eloquent read.In post 760, Luca Blight wrote:
What other notes do you have?In post 756, Xayah wrote:Hm, the Billy wagon isn't bad. Not my first choice from my notes but the information is good enough for me to join
VOTE: Billy
What do you think of Kerset? It pings me how you’ve just ignored this slot considering the attention it’s received.- Kerset
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I think that you actually watch witch trails. The ones were witch is drowned and called guilty no matter the outcome.In post 810, nomnomnom wrote:
As I said, if you were to watch interrogations of guilty suspects, you'll see that every single one of them do this, it's actually kinda crazyIn post 809, Luca Blight wrote:A lack of flailing can itself be a defensive method through reverse-psychology.
They think that if they show emotion or dare challenge subtle accusations they'll inevitably appear more guilty, but what they don't know is that psychologists know that the contrary is true. So what they do is shut down emotionally, feign ignorance, and side-step important questions in favor of completely irrelevant points.
I am quite sure that you would call me guilty in any outcomeIn post 805, nomnomnom wrote:Also to note that Kerset now has completely stopped posting things that were considered scummy by other people, subconsciously or not. That adds to my point that Kerset knows they fucked up somewhere and subconsciously stopped doing that. An innocent person would have already challenged these notions, or would have continued doing these things all the same.
Point to me a single Kerset post after my initial shading accusations that can be seen as shading. Spoiler: You won't find any. That is why Kerset is a good lynch.
Kerset still looks scummy - he is a scum
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My point is that for you this 'scummy pattern' is the fact that i don't look like scum anymore, meantime if i look like a scum for you i would still be obviously called scum.In post 819, nomnomnom wrote:
If you do not look scummy or don't do anything I consider scummy I have no reason to think you're scum. You've done these things though and you've followed a scummy pattern afterwards. So you must be scum in my mind.In post 816, Kerset wrote:I am quite sure that you would call me guilty in any outcome
Kerset still looks scummy - he is a scum
Kerset doesn't look scummy - he is a scum- Kerset
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The main topic of this game is previous game analysis. Its hard to deeply participate in this, when you haven't played with suspects and shallow shading is looked upon. I feel that its actually initial reason of my wagon(?). Meantime the other topics are spec/mech talk and me, so i don't think that i can artificially create a case to talk about. If there was any non PGA lead that i missed feel free to correct me.In post 825, Luca Blight wrote:Kerset - if you continue to only talk about things related to yourself then you will end up lynched, I’m pretty sure. If you are Town then try to focus on finding scum. If you don’t at least display some level of scum-hunting then you’re not giving me the chance to townread you.- Kerset
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Posting something that could in result generate a scumlean on someone.In post 850, nomnomnom wrote:
Give me a definition of shading.In post 848, Kerset wrote:The main topic of this game is previous game analysis. Its hard to deeply participate in this, when you haven't played with suspects and shallow shading is looked upon.- Kerset
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He was a Mason and he was supported by a decent player, i expect him to be different here.In post 855, Luca Blight wrote:
You are free to create your own topics.In post 848, Kerset wrote:
The main topic of this game is previous game analysis. Its hard to deeply participate in this, when you haven't played with suspects and shallow shading is looked upon. I feel that its actually initial reason of my wagon(?). Meantime the other topics are spec/mech talk and me, so i don't think that i can artificially create a case to talk about. If there was any non PGA lead that i missed feel free to correct me.In post 825, Luca Blight wrote:Kerset - if you continue to only talk about things related to yourself then you will end up lynched, I’m pretty sure. If you are Town then try to focus on finding scum. If you don’t at least display some level of scum-hunting then you’re not giving me the chance to townread you.
Glancing at your meta, you actually have played with your suspect, Billy, before. You were both Town in that game, how does he compare here?
I believe in it but Rb is the one who should be lynched today.In post 857, Luca Blight wrote:So you didn’t really believe in the reasoning you provided along with the vote, then?- Kerset
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Rb doesn't care about lynching scum, he wants pull a wagon that will finish D1. Town player would in at least some degree doubt his meta read and try to look at other people interactions. Rb only asks other people about me to push them on my wagon, he didn't even care about nom3 theories at all (604), for him his SR aaron was positive addition to wagon (372). He is trying to bias town by repeating the same read few times without adding any value, when meantime he could just face thing like 230 (reference 232, 235).In post 861, Luca Blight wrote:Ok, can you summarize your reasons for why rb should be today’s Lynch?
If you read between his lines you will that he gives town points for diving deep against someone so scum!rb would definitely try to emulate a town play with something like that.- Kerset
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In post 867, Something_Smart wrote:
Who forced you to vote?In post 856, Kerset wrote:I feel that i voted bc people force me to rather then bc i want to.In post 617, rb wrote: verified town!kerset: has thoughts, pushes in the direction of those thoughts, calls people out when they think they are being poor town members and then PUTS THEIR VOTE ON THEMIn post 419, nomnomnom wrote: That iso is textbook pessimistic scum having a very low vote/fos ratio. I think the key to decoding rb is actually residing in Kerset's wall.
They would kill me, if i would place suspicion without vote.In post 739, Luca Blight wrote:Kerset, I suggest voting someone other than rb, because rb isn’t being lynched today.- Kerset
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Maybe because you are under performing? You ISO can be divided to 3 kinds of posts: argumentation of your theory about me, asking ppl why they SR billy, saying that xaya feels off. I feel that you take no effort in this game especially when i see that you ask your second SR about read that she already gave and ask me for reason of my vote on billy instead of explanation of it (like you wouldn't notice this as well). If you are concern about this then i am sure that you are capable of giving better leads, unless you think that you can't distract yourself from me.In post 842, nomnomnom wrote:Even if you forget Kerset there are a lot of people worthy of scrutiny that got off relatively easy and I think that is no coincidence.- Kerset
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Would you like to talk about wooper usefulness? I am curious how do you feel about having him around.In post 674, Something_Smart wrote:
...huh?In post 673, Kerset wrote:wooper - I don't take him serious. I just hope that vigilante won't missshot because of his recklessness.- Kerset
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Spoiler:
Thats interesting. I am quite surprised but not in wrong way. If you claim that skitt is actually near null read for you, then hmm. This indeed blend my read, which was based on impression that you scumread him. Still i am not sure if your actions/intentions match that, i don't see you doing anything else atm. This would mean that you talk about slightly irrelevant thing compared to your actual lead (don't tell me that you just null everyone). I need to reread and think about it.- Kerset
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ask wooper you may convince him with breadcrumbsIn post 928, rb wrote:hey kerset if you join me on the xayah wagon you might get towncred when she flips scum (=- Kerset
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I could agree to pressure Suji, if you are interested.In post 934, nomnomnom wrote:Guys what are you doing? Are we going to ignore dodgy players just like that?- Kerset
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People vote Billy - you are mad that we ignore other potential scum.In post 842, nomnomnom wrote:I admit I am still confused that Billy out of all people in this playerlist is getting wagoned. It just feels so random, so much of an easy target to go after, the guy had barely any content and people went after him on day 1 with people making extremely dodgy posts. I still don't understand. I think that the wagon is extremely bad and probably has scum in it. I can't comprehend how people went to the conclusion that Billy was a good lynch. Even if you forget Kerset there are a lot of people worthy of scrutiny that got off relatively easy and I think that is no coincidence.
Then you suggest XayaIn post 843, nomnomnom wrote:In fact if I was to look at this wagon and point at someone who I think is scum I'd definitely vote Xayah here.
Now you are mad because people vote her, even that we still got 3 days left. - Kerset
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