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VOTE: TheGildedSun

think this is scum

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Though I am curious why faust chose you over someone he knows or has played with before. Being that this is your first MS game, you haven't played with anyone here yet. Yeah yeah it's random but like, a lot of people use it as a "hello" type thing. If Faust was brand new like you, I would understand just randomly picking but I think there might have been some thought put into that choice.

Faust

- can you walk me through that pls?

It was RVS, so I just picked someone at random, though if anything, RVS’ing a new player is a better way to illicit a reaction from them. Experienced players know it’s RVS, so are unlikely to take the vote seriously.

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Gdoooog123456789

now that’s a mouthful

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Fish I think you’re ick how about that?

Becky with the good hair dont care and neither do i. Your push is weak and you should feel bad about that.

Why do you think I asked about her experience and backed off when I thought about it some more? I actually think she’s town based on all of her responses. I think you trying to turn a 3 post interaction into a case is a huge stretch when the trajectory is pretty damn clear. Are you just trying to make anything stick or do you genuinely believe I’m “making bad pushes”?

I think for scum to win they have to kill townies and maybe you want to push me as scum to get me out of the way early, I don't know why you are making bad pushes. I think that if you were interested in why someone was playing a certain way that you would talk to them about it, but both times now you have kinda flown off half cocked only to retract within a post or two.

I guess for me you are being a little reckless with your vote and i dislike your style choice.

I don’t like Spartans sheep at all though. Torn between newb following what seemed logical at the time or fish being bad and not actually interacting with me directly.

Not sure i understand that last part.

I like how fish tries to hang me with my experience while at the same time explaining how I’m bad scum who’s not blending in.

???? lol

Did I say that? I think I said you could be scum because

your pushes have been on town so far

. And theyve been bad pushes. Im not roping you with a BoP rap here, so im not sure where that came from.

How do you know ETL’s pushes have been on town?

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It was RVS, so I just picked someone at random, though if anything, RVS’ing a new player is a better way to illicit a reaction from them. Experienced players know it’s RVS, so are unlikely to take the vote seriously.

I like the thought process behind this.

Do you think newbie town or scum is more likely to react poorly to being voted?

What did you learn from the vote here?

I have some thoughts about it that I’d like to keep to myself for now.

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VOTE: Spartan117

Explain this vote.

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How do you know ETL’s pushes have been on town?

Because i know my alignment and i read the other push as being on newb town before ETL backed off.

So, i know half of the pushes have been on town, and suspect the other half is as well.

The way you phrased it made it sound like you were certain they were all town.

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Thoughts so far:

ETL is my top townread so far because her thought process re. TheGildedSun's early contributions pretty much mirrored mine.

Spartan BW is concerning considering I don't think he did anything

that

scummy; not enough to warrant the heaps of votes placed on him anyway. The players on this BW were in order: ETL, Gdooooog123456789, Farren, though ETL switched vote soon after. I feel this BW could be important to analyze further on in the game.

FormerFish BW doesn't concern me as much; the only thing that's concerning is the speed, but I do agree that FormerFish is the scummiest player in the game currently. His responses to my questions regarding 41 don't fill me with confidence and at the moment I think it was a freudian slip. On;y reason I'm not voting him is because I don't think putting a player in L1 so early on benefits us, and I don't trust Gdoooog123456789 not to lolhammer it, considering he came in and voted Spartan without giving any explanation. BW on FormerFish was: ETL, Spartan, Yodavader, Chibile

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actually fish is on L3 now isn't he?


hmmmmmmmmm

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Spartan BW is concerning considering I don't think he did anything

that

scummy; not enough to warrant the heaps of votes placed on him anyway. The players on this BW were in order: ETL, Gdooooog123456789, Farren, though ETL switched vote soon after. I feel this BW could be important to analyze further on in the game.

Breaking down those votes on Spartan a little more:

post 39: ETL votes for Spartan.
post 46: ETL switches to FormerFish. No one else casts any votes for anyone between these two votes.
post 50: gdog votes for Spartan.
post 57: I vote for Spartan.

Never more than two votes at a time - hardly "heaps of votes." Why describe it like this?

If the bandwagon is "concerning", why haven't you asked me about my vote? (You did ask gdog, who hasn't responded.)

It’s a lot of votes for someone who hadn’t done anything scummy enough to warrant the amount of votes at that point.

Reason I questioned Gdoooog and not you is because Gdoooog didn’t give an explanation as to why he voted the way he did.

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Yeah I don't like this BW at all.

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Yeah I don't like this BW at all.

Why? Cause your partner is getting run up and you don't know what to do about it so you just take a weak position against it without defending Gdog outright?

What wagon would you like to see right now?

yeah that's the reason.

Gdoooog's first vote pinged me as town because even newscum usually out a reason for voting someone. The fact he didn't made me think he's probably town. The fact he's done it again is eh... still I'm not confident he's scum.

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actually fish is on L3 now isn't he?


hmmmmmmmmm

I thought the only reason you aren't voting me is because you don't like to put someone to l-1 so quickly, how come after you figured out people invited you didn't vote me?

Why stay on Gilded when you don't like that wagon, but you like mine?

I like where my vote is at the moment.

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It’s a lot of votes for someone who hadn’t done anything scummy enough to warrant the amount of votes at that point.

Reason I questioned Gdoooog and not you is because Gdoooog didn’t give an explanation as to why he voted the way he did.

Surface level, but that's my fault; I phrased the question poorly.

Let's try a slightly different angle. First - why do you think I'm voting for Spartan?

Because you either think he is scum, you are scum or you're trying to illicit a reaction from him.

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RIGHT

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*knuckle crack*

Eyes down.

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What makes you think we're both townies?
I honestly believe that Farren must be scum for his misplays and for his low-profile.

The thing is, his low-profile is showing... He's not keeping a quiet low-profile, but an obvious one.
Like... everyone can tell that he plays over a game plan. You wound act that open and secretive at the same time, unless you don't follow a plan which in order to work, requirements must be met.

I strongly believe there is a scum in Formerfish/Farren and I tend to believe that Farren is more likely to flip red.

I agree that there's one scum in Fish/Farren. I don't see them to be a team at this stage though.

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it wouldn't surprise me if there was a scum in Gilded/Gdooog too.

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Apologies for lack of activity, I was in another game which was in LYLO. That game has now finished so my focus is now on this one.

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I really like a lot of what Chibile has posted so far. Moving him into my townpile.

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His reads on Farren/Former echo mine. I think there’s definitely one scum in there. As I said I can’t see them both being scum at this stage due to Farren’s vote on Fish. I don’t think scum places a vote on the partner that early on in the game.

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Imo there’s too many impure players on the Gdooog slot which makes me think he’s probably town.

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Let's try a slightly different angle. First - why do you think I'm voting for Spartan?

Because you either think he is scum, you are scum or you're trying to illicit a reaction from him.

Good answer.

I'd have expected a follow-up question, though. Three different possibilities you listed, plus there could be others.

Okay, maybe that's a playstyle thing. Not everyone likes to ask a bunch of questions.

What I'm trying to figure out is - what exactly are you trying to do? That ties in with the voting business too. Are you hunting? Are you trying to pressure people? Are you trying to engage people? Are you coming to conclusions? Or something else?

This is just my way of scumhunting.

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I think someone asked me about why I’ve kept my vote on Gilded. The reason is I wanted to see the slot squirm a bit more. I purposefully avoided answering her question to see how she’s react.

Gilded was tonally town I think from her reaction but other players have since towntold which makes me hesitant to think Gilded is town at this stage.

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Fish I think you’re ick how about that?

Becky with the good hair dont care and neither do i. Your push is weak and you should feel bad about that.

Why do you think I asked about her experience and backed off when I thought about it some more? I actually think she’s town based on all of her responses. I think you trying to turn a 3 post interaction into a case is a huge stretch when the trajectory is pretty damn clear. Are you just trying to make anything stick or do you genuinely believe I’m “making bad pushes”?

I think for scum to win they have to kill townies and maybe you want to push me as scum to get me out of the way early, I don't know why you are making bad pushes. I think that if you were interested in why someone was playing a certain way that you would talk to them about it, but both times now you have kinda flown off half cocked only to retract within a post or two.

I guess for me you are being a little reckless with your vote and i dislike your style choice.

I don’t like Spartans sheep at all though. Torn between newb following what seemed logical at the time or fish being bad and not actually interacting with me directly.

Not sure i understand that last part.

I like how fish tries to hang me with my experience while at the same time explaining how I’m bad scum who’s not blending in.

???? lol

Did I say that? I think I said you could be scum because your pushes have been on town so far. And theyve been bad pushes. Im not roping you with a BoP rap here, so im not sure where that came from.

I really don’t like this post from Formerfish at all and I fail to see how he’s come to the conclusion he has at this stage f the game but I’m a bit reluctant to scumread him at this stage. The BW on him was quick and he’s being antagonistic toward some other players who FOS him. This could just be a playstyle thing but usually scum want to appease players who vote them this early on. Being antagonistic just puts a rod on Formerfish’s back which I’d like to think he wouldn’t do as scum given his experience and there’s a lot of heat on this stage lot at the moment.

I’ll have to read the BW’s more and see who jumped on the vote.

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Farren has posted a lot but I don’t really see how the questions she’s asking help sort players and it looks more like maf trying to scumhunt rather than town scumhunting.

VOTE: Farren

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lol gustavo pls

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His reads on Farren/Former echo mine. I think there’s definitely one scum in there. As I said I can’t see them both being scum at this stage due to Farren’s vote on Fish. I don’t think scum places a vote on the partner that early on in the game.

They've never voted each other...
Never really interacted with each other...

Isolate their posts, you'll notice no direct, nor semi-direct interaction between them.

yeah they didn't. playing on mobile sucks.

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VOTE: UNVOTE

I don't like this vote anymore.

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I messed up...
Note to self: Don't play this game on phone.

Only wanted to cut a portion.

agreed

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What do you think of GildedSun so far Chiibie

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i will say chibiie's constant jumping around with votes on hot wagons is unsettling.

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nice to play with you again Geyde.

hope you're town.

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Thread here started off completely different than my last game on this site wherein both the scum were not actively trying to gain control of thread.
Given how fast the accusations with Gilded went into ETL/Fish, I feel like scum have to be majorly involved with thread and are influencing thread as a major player given that numerous wagons have been getting to L-1 over the course of the day extremely fast. That doesn't make sense unless the playerlist was all chronic slankers

That points to ETL and/or Fish for me.

This feels like a bit of a reach to me.

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Fish I think you’re ick how about that?

Becky with the good hair dont care and neither do i. Your push is weak and you should feel bad about that.

Why do you think I asked about her experience and backed off when I thought about it some more? I actually think she’s town based on all of her responses. I think you trying to turn a 3 post interaction into a case is a huge stretch when the trajectory is pretty damn clear. Are you just trying to make anything stick or do you genuinely believe I’m “making bad pushes”?

I think for scum to win they have to kill townies and maybe you want to push me as scum to get me out of the way early, I don't know why you are making bad pushes. I think that if you were interested in why someone was playing a certain way that you would talk to them about it, but both times now you have kinda flown off half cocked only to retract within a post or two.

I guess for me you are being a little reckless with your vote and i dislike your style choice.

I don’t like Spartans sheep at all though. Torn between newb following what seemed logical at the time or fish being bad and not actually interacting with me directly.

Not sure i understand that last part.

I like how fish tries to hang me with my experience while at the same time explaining how I’m bad scum who’s not blending in.

???? lol

Did I say that? I think I said you could be scum because your pushes have been on town so far. And theyve been bad pushes. Im not roping you with a BoP rap here, so im not sure where that came from.

How do you know ETL’s pushes have been on town?

Because i know my alignment and i read the other push as being on newb town before ETL backed off.

So, i know half of the pushes have been on town, and suspect the other half is as well.

The initial points on himself/Gilded make sense from his pov, but the remainder is deliberately written to not draw attention with how they don't engage the other points that haven't been covered on by him at any point before.

It's a slip, and his justification simply doesn't work on the whole

VOTE: Formerfish

Yeah this still doesn’t sit right with me regarding Fish. Other than that though I’m not sure if he plays like he has done if he’s mafia.

I will have to read some of Fish’s other games I think before properly sorting him.

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Geyde what are your thoughts on Chibiie so far?

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I’m thinking fish/Farren/gdooog are all town based on voting patterns.

VOTE: TheGildedSun

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True or False: Everyday must end in a lynch.

false

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I thought this game was getting back on track, but now is again boring...

Either we get a wagon goin' or good luck reading my slot after I ask to be replaced.

Why are you so hell bent on rushing things?

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Why are you so hell bent on rushing things?

We must push for info, there's 5 days left, irl events keep happening...
You think 5 days is enough to read scums 100%?

We need a lynch... We need info... Your turn of events look strange to me, will put you as netural.

I agree with that but we also don’t want roleclaims or lolhammers this early on either.
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do do do do do election feverrrrrrr

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I’m thinking fish/Farren/gdooog are all town based on voting patterns.

elaborating on this:

Formerfish:

30 is tonally town.

FF's concerns allign perfectly with his thoughts in 30 so this progression makes sense.

69 still maintains the push on ETL despite the slot being TR at that point. Scum FF could back away from this at this point but instead continues with his push.

121 is a good question.

Farren:

I think there's elements of genuine gamesolving in Farren's posts so far.

76 is a good post from him for example and looks iike a genuine attempt to sort a slot which pinged as scum during that point in the game. 93 looks like a natural progression on this read and again Farren asks good questions.

I like the paranoia shown in 127 that I am echoing ETL's thought process yet voting a player she marked as town.

His responses to Chiibie's pressure is good too. He's not really floundering from what I can see.

305 is another good gamesolve post from Farren.

Gdoooog/Geyde:

Already said that I don't really see scum!Gdoooog voting without a reason as it draws attention to the slot.

I like the contributions Geyde made this game.

If Geyde is scum then I don't see why he would choose to TR farren here right off the bat, especially when he's only drawing attention to himself by doing so.

Thought process on FF aligns with mine.

Overall this is my strongest TR of the three.


I think both scum is outside of FF/Farren/Geyde.

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well he certainly kept us on our toes didn’t he?

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want to explain my GildedSun vote a bit more.

So Sun thought my vote on her was scummy (14, 20, 21) and at the time her tone seemed more likely to come from town than scum, but since then there has been some inconsistencies in her play.

In 115 she places a vote on Gdoooog, putting him at L2

178:

I assume there is no use for this but when I received the initial vote

I actually wasn't panic-stricken, that was not where my response was coming from. I was much more curious?

I didn't know random votes on D1 were a common practice and I actually thought the vote on me was fascinating in a way, because to my beliefs at the time there was no valid reason to suspect me. Which I later was told why I had been voted, just as a random vote for the reason to get people to talk/open up. (Which would then lead into reads) I've gotten myself into hot water due to my peculiar response and now I know I can't really do anything to justify myself at the moment other than watch it all play out.

This contradicts her tone in her earlier posts when I placed my vote.

First of all, I'd like to propose the question: that being why? What have I done to raise your suspicions of me? Nothing. I have had yet to post and you've already wrongly accused me of being scum.

That's not what I meant... I'm just struggling to understand why people are random voting. To me it seems like a rather inefficient manner of eliminating the mafia, and with faüstiv's vote it only raises my suspicions of them, after all a common mafia tactic is to vote for an innocent to get leverage over the town not only at night but also at day via lynch.

Voting me out will only assist the Mafia in gaining leverage as I swear to you I am town aligned... I will not Role Claim unless you absolutely require me to do so in order to "prove" my innocence, especially as it is advised against in means of narrowing down town, but I am ever so happy to cooperate.

I appear "nervous" as I do not wish to be voted out, especially on D1 of such a long game.

She does mention curiosity in 21, yes, but nothing in these 3 responses suggests curiosity to me.

202 looks like scum blending in, giving their thoughts on Farren whilst also providing no real thoughts on Farren. Farren was the hot topic at this stage of the game. Why would TheGildedSun feel compelled to make this statement as town:

I dont have any judgement on Farren, but if I had to state an opinion on him it's kind of vague. I mean, he said a lot of things on page 6 without a whole lot of backing. He's asked a lot of questions, so honestly I believe we should return the favor and ask him some things too.

TheGildedSun also never asks Farren a question.

293 she outs a readlist with reasonings which read as flimsy at best. Considering the fact that I intentionally didn't respond to TheGildedSun after she asked me a question to see if the slot would squirm more, this seems like a really odd progression given she was accusing me so early on. I'm a safe TR for scum to make because I'm a difficult lynch today. Same for ETL. She outs a scumread on FormerFish (a player who has received a lot of heat in this game) again giving really weak reasoning behind the vote. There are reasons to SR FF, but I don't think the reasoning she gave and the post she quoted (120) is a post which would definitively convince someone that that person is scum.

299:

specifically against Faust left a bad taste in my mouth. The types of people who appear desperate to convince everyone else that a certain person is mafia always stick out like a sore thumb. These two people that I have mentioned, Faust and ETL, are both open minded, listen to the other players, but don't automatically jump onto a wagon without reasoning. (Which is often associated with scum behavior, as it can be an easy way to get a townsperson killed in the day.)

Fair enough, but Chibiie has literally been on three hot wagons this game, yet TheGildedSun hasn't voted them once. She actually TR's Chiibie even though she thinks jumping on wagons is scummy.

339 she votes Farren.

359 she thinks Farren and Yoda are the team, which to me seems like a weird progression, given that she had outted no read on Yoda previously.

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just outting my reasoning.

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honestly not comfortable with any of the lynch choices today. Yodavader is the one I'd pick to lynch out of the 4 even though I don't see him flipping scum.

We've got 2 days left anyway.

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I don't see Farren flipping scum.

Also I'm not as confident as most people are that the Chiibie slot is town.

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I could see scum being Chiibie slot/GildedSun

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Like I see a lot of genuine gamesolve posts from Farren and I don't ever see it flipping scum. If anything he's my strongest TR.

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With the amount of similar reads players have shared at similar points during the game, I can definitely see scum hiding amongst them making the same reads.

Like why has no one but Fish questioned me?

Why are me, ETL, Radja, Chiibie universal TR's?

Why are Fish, Yoda, Farren universal scumreads?

Scum are manipulating this.

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does no one else find it strange that outside the 'scumpool' of fish, farren, yoda that everyone's reads align EXACTLY the same?

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does no one else find it strange that outside the 'scumpool' of fish, farren, yoda that everyone's reads align EXACTLY the same?

Not here, no. You have to learn how to town hunt just as well as you scumhunt. A town block, if true, is one of the best weapons we have against scum. I can tell you without a doubt you are way off on gilded and chibiie. Try again.

Do you not find GildedSun’s progression to be weird?

She’s even admitted to playing mafia before and knows what bussing is etc. It could just be an act like Yodavader suggested.

I think you’re townreading TheGildedSun far too easily at this stage.

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I accept you are entitled to your reads. You are free to continue scumreading them but do me a favor, a little experiment. Assume for a moment both are confirmed town. How do your reads change?

If they were locktown obviously I’d re-evaluate my reads.

I don’t think Farren ever flips scum though.

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Chibiie jumped on 3 bandwagons and wanted to speed up the game. That to me is not town motivated, especially when his vote on FormerFish which put him on L1 was made when Gdoooog was still in the game.

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Yodavader’s last few posts have been good too.

hmmmmmm

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Chibiie jumped on 3 bandwagons and wanted to speed up the game. That to me is not town motivated, especially when his vote on FormerFish which put him on L1 was made when Gdoooog was still in the game.

Um me = Chibiie.

At the end of that incident, the game was very stagnant. I also read Chibiie's other posts about wanting to die by D2 and what not, I see that just as a frustated player, and since I replaced him, a town being frustrated at the slow pace of the game. At that point, ETL also said that the gdog slot is not going to produce any useful information until they get replaced. Why go after an inactive slot?

By the way, I don't actually know why Chibiie got banned.

he threatened to DDOS someone in another game

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does no one else find it strange that outside the 'scumpool' of fish, farren, yoda that everyone's reads align EXACTLY the same?

Not here, no. You have to learn how to town hunt just as well as you scumhunt. A town block, if true, is one of the best weapons we have against scum. I can tell you without a doubt you are way off on gilded and chibiie. Try again.

Do you not find GildedSun’s progression to be weird?

She’s even admitted to playing mafia before and knows what bussing is etc. It could just be an act like Yodavader suggested.

I think you’re townreading TheGildedSun far too easily at this stage.

False, the version of Mafia I played was much more gamified and was a smart phone app, this is my second ever iteration of playing forum based mafia with all these terms, the previous I must admit I had no idea what I was doing and was very inactive + only some of the terms were in use.

I've actually been using the glossary on the Wiki page. It's really helpful as I try to warm up to the terminology on here.

What mobile game is this and can you link that game where you were scum?

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he threatened to DDOS someone in another game

Game is ongoing. Please don't talk about it.

Have you got anything to add to the game? Any reads or anything?

You might be lynched so out them NOW

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UNVOTE:

sometimes you’ve got to shake the tree to see what falls.

VOTE: alimdia

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I think one of my reads is wrong. hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

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UNVOTE:

sometimes you’ve got to shake the tree to see what falls.

VOTE: alimdia

I thought I was getting hung? See something shinier?

yeah

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haha fuck did alimdia just townslip?

to be fair in the game I was scum I didnt know you could chat throughout the day either. I’m used to games where scum only communicate during night phases.

ETL: I’ll answer later. Phoneposting.

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UNVOTE:

my reads are fucked at the moment.

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VOTE: Yodavader

Nows the time to start a BW on someone.

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VOTE: Yodavader

Nows the time to start a BW on someone.

Choo choo mofos

VOTE: Yoda

Scum for sure is this guy, hmmm.

I can't tell if fish is trying to make faust look scummy or the other way around with this interaction lol.

So @Faust, you aren't looking at Fish at all?

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I'm looking at him, sure, just as I am with everyone else. But realistically, the three lynch options today seem to be either Farren, Yoda and FF and Yoda is the one I TR the least out of the three.

I'm not confident he flips scum but the player I want to lynch today is unattainable with so little time left in the day.

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I accept you are entitled to your reads. You are free to continue scumreading them but do me a favor, a little experiment. Assume for a moment both are confirmed town. How do your reads change?

If they were locktown obviously I’d re-evaluate my reads.

I don’t think Farren ever flips scum though.

Ok great, but how do your reads change?

Faust I’m still waiting for you to answer this.[/quote]
I can probably answer this better now, since I'm fairly confident Gilded/alim are town now.

My reads don't change that much. I still don't think both scum are in FF/Farren/Yoda. I still lean town on them more than I do scum, though I'm going wrong somewhere.

A flip will help.

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VOTE: Yodavader

Nows the time to start a BW on someone.

Choo choo mofos

VOTE: Yoda

Scum for sure is this guy, hmmm.

I can't tell if fish is trying to make faust look scummy or the other way around with this interaction lol.

So @Faust, you aren't looking at Fish at all?

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I'm looking at him, sure, just as I am with everyone else. But realistically, the three lynch options today seem to be either Farren, Yoda and FF and Yoda is the one I TR the least out of the three.

I'm not confident he flips scum but the player I want to lynch today is unattainable with so little time left in the day.

Faust you last said that you thought GildedSun+me = a scumteam. What do you think now?

I've no idea tbh. I think I know one scum but that lynch is unattainable today. I will have to RR him and see what I think.

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My read on Gilded is that he's town

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@Farren, who would you willing to lynch out of {Yoda, Fish, Geyde} if your Radja wagon isn't happening?

@Farren, in addition to #392, I'll like to add that in #245, Chibiie townleans Radja. I'm not too keen on that just because Radja posted a wall that aligns with what Chibiie said.
My playstyle is that I rarely have more than 1-2 solid town reads at a time.

Not willing to lynch Geyde. His progression looks realistic. He's questioning the basic assumptions.

I'd put both Fish and Yoda into the "willing to lynch" category right now.

I should put both of them on the meta research list.

Thank you for addressing my question. I get worried when I see a replacement march too much in lockstep with their predecessor; that usually means agenda / scum.

you're still voting Radja

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I think Farren's play here is similar to this game where he was town:

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... &start=850

What do you think?

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Who is the 'one scum' that you think you know?

I think Radja is 100% scum based on PoE, but as I say, his lynch is unattainable today.

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for convenience:

Likely town: ETL, Farren, alimdia, Gilded, Geyde

Townleans: FormerFish, Yodavader

Which leaves Radja.

obviously at least one townread is wrong but a flip will help with my reads.

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actually I'd say Yoda is more null, but there's one or two things that seem like they could come from town

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geyde's analysis is really good.

does yoda claim VT here as scum? not sure. he's putting a rod on his own back by claiming this early so it's probably coming from town.

i should be around for end of day.

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I will join a Farren wagon if I need to, but I would really prefer a Fish lynch here.

Also Yoda… there was no point in claiming, please don't ever do that again.

But to me, there was a point. I'm getting really anxious about EOD and I'm one of the possible wagons. I'm trying to help everyone else out by giving more info. If we were not this close to EOD, I would have waited until I was L-1 plus intent.

also, WIFOM time. Does me claiming VT and

also saying that I would gladly hammer myself make me scum?

i don't really care about that bit, but claiming this early on only invites lynches onto your slot due to fear of flushing out a PR.

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no problem, tis a learning experience for us all

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uff

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fucking hate night phases

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scum just made this game harder for themselves by making the worst possible kill.

I was preparing to tunnel GildedSun today. now I have to reread.

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I’m gonna buy Fish’s doc claim I think.

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I could be swayed into giving you a pass for today to give the cop another night. But I don't really see any other options for scum and the way you claimed was just very poor.

I'll wait for others to weigh in

How do you know other pr is cop?

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oh yeah

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This means Fish is likely town then to me.

If he’s CCing the setup then jailer or a mason can claim for autowin. Same with tracker if it’s setup B.

Therefore it’s setup A and there’s no doc CC. This means Fish is town and partner bussed Farren.

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I could be swayed into giving you a pass for today to give the cop another night. But I don't really see any other options for scum and the way you claimed was just very poor.

I'll wait for others to weigh in

bad post

VOTE: Radja

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actually this is very close to autowin.

Doc is out and claims roleblocked, therefore cop should have a report (unless they checked Gilded or FF).

I’m fairly certain Alimdia townslipped d1 as well so I think if cop has a report that wasn’t on Fish or Gilded they should claim.

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Or they could roleblock you and kill cop without him outting, losing the report.

If cop has report not on you or Gilded that’s 3 clears, with Alimdia acting as an almost clear.

We have 3 mislynches, so from my POV I know if I don’t die the game is won.

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face it, I think the longer the day goes, the cop will PR tell and will likely die. They got you down as PR.

3 clears and a nearly clear puts us in an excellent position.

obviously if cop has report on Gilded or FF dont claim.

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UNVOTE:

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ETL I am assuming you are hardclaiming mason? If so this is autowin.

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EXCUSE ME. THERE IS NO SET UP IN WHICH DOC AND MASONS EXIST.

VOTE: FISH

For clarity, who are you claiming masons with?

It doesn’t really matter. ETL and FF are CCing each other.

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VOTE: Radja

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might as well continue my trend of voting town.

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Faust - the unofficial third scumbuddy

I hope you learned a lot from this game lol

Geyde - me too man. I cant wait to see the scum PT

I am mafia friendly neighbour.

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I’m thinking fish/Farren/gdooog are all town based on voting patterns.

elaborating on this:

Formerfish:

30 is tonally town.

FF's concerns allign perfectly with his thoughts in 30 so this progression makes sense.

69 still maintains the push on ETL despite the slot being TR at that point. Scum FF could back away from this at this point but instead continues with his push.

121 is a good question.

Farren:

I think there's elements of genuine gamesolving in Farren's posts so far.

76 is a good post from him for example and looks iike a genuine attempt to sort a slot which pinged as scum during that point in the game. 93 looks like a natural progression on this read and again Farren asks good questions.

I like the paranoia shown in 127 that I am echoing ETL's thought process yet voting a player she marked as town.

His responses to Chiibie's pressure is good too. He's not really floundering from what I can see.

305 is another good gamesolve post from Farren.

Gdoooog/Geyde:

Already said that I don't really see scum!Gdoooog voting without a reason as it draws attention to the slot.

I like the contributions Geyde made this game.

If Geyde is scum then I don't see why he would choose to TR farren here right off the bat, especially when he's only drawing attention to himself by doing so.

Thought process on FF aligns with mine.

Overall this is my strongest TR of the three.


I think both scum is outside of FF/Farren/Geyde.

I will say this readlist when posted was fake because I was trying to bait a scum reaction from someone.

I did legit TR both at end of the day though. Oh well, everyone has their dog days.

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I was hoping scum would panic when a largely TR player outted 3 hot lynch targets as town D1. turns out no one didn’t because both scum were in my baitpost.

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there’s a party going down around here

cruisers creek yeahh

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imagine if FF flips villager after all this.

that would be one hell of a twist. m night shymalan esque.

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yeah I will say I am interested in hearing FF's thought process behind that one.

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Good luck scum!

amen to that

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FFS are we about to have another night phase???????

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I hope he flips town.

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game would be fun if that happened

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Chibiie was a bombscare, but didn’t play too badly I guess.

Mason team were MVP.

Thanks for the mod, eth0s.

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Was 41 a slip though?

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GG all

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alright cool.

if this games taught me anything it’s that I need to stop overthinking things.

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didn’t know you could have a PT.

Tbh in response to Lies - I like to question all players and make pushes on players that aren’t being pushed. In most cases, at least one mafia gets TR in the day phase. You can’t let players get complacent by not questioning them.

I did scumread fish and Farren d1 then double backed on my reads.

GildedSun had towny reactions but her progression made no sense to me, that’s why I pushed it. After Farren flipped maf I thought she was the most likely partner by logic.