Newbie 1963 - Game Over

[teacher]

Yea, but she is town. Innocent town, but town.

VOTE: fishno vote can be real without a post. But this is.

[teacher]

Come on guys, let's get along : ( VOTE: No Lynch since we don't know anything yet.

I wrote this out while scum, but it remains true (scum can’t/shouldn’t bs mechanics). The short of it is that there will be a lynch today.

1. No lynching does not "add a target for scum." Whether or not we lynch today, we must catch a scum by D3. All no-lynching does is turn worst-case D3 lylo (3-2) into mylo (4-2). This actually lowers the odds of successfully lynching scum on a day where scum must be lynched or town loses (hence lylo - lynch or lose/mylo - mislynch and lose)

2. In order to catch a scum by D3, we need all the information we can get. Mislynches provide info. Who is pushing it, who gets onto it at a key time for weak reasons, who avoided the wagon like the plague. Scum is most regularly 1-on, 1-off town wagons. If they are both together, they are both on far more often than both off. Its information like this/vcas that is imperative.

3. There is minimal risk of hitting PRs (and doing so can be good). Wagons must build to L-1, then to intent (absent deadline pressure). At intent, the PR can claim. If they are the real PR, then they dont get lynched, we have chained the NK in a way scum might not have wanted and PRs might protect, and we can do the same VCA but now without even the cost of a town.

4. Literal no downside. Sure, towny could die. But see 1, it doesnt change day structure/number of targets for scum at all.

[teacher]

I actually meant to do my own rqs last night, but got sucked into baseball/football/not grading.

I’m sad there were no rvs wagons. I’ve got a townlean in gardenia a bit. Not crazy about gyros, they need some more tzarziki. Interested to see what fish is doing.

You?

[teacher]

Lynch Teacher? Perhaps. I must ask him a question first though.

What subject does teacher teach? Not murder, I hope.

I teach history. And I offer an elective in scum strategy. Prerequisite is outting your buddy though. Want into the course?

[teacher]

Are you a top or a bottom

Lol.

[teacher]

edit- ive seen those questions asked a shit ton in my experience, they have never led to anything worth while.

Ever

I’ve caught scum with my variant of them a bunch of times fwiw.

[teacher]

You and your friends are starting a 4 piece garage band, singer, guitar, bass and drums. Which do you take up and why?

2. Do you play poker? Describe your playstyle if you do, if you dont why not?

3. What is your strategy in Monopoly, and what piece do you choose?

4. What was your favorite game to play outside as a kid?

1. Audience member - 0 musical ability/fine motor skill.
2. Mechanical - play pot odds but break from style when a player is vulnerable to being played.
3. Buy most things I land on, trade as necessary to build/deprive others. Don’t care about pieces
4. Football (family in NFL)

[teacher]

1) What is your experience with Mafia specifically? But long-play forum Mafia?
2) Do you prefer being a Townie or a scum? Elaborate your answer;
3) Are you organized in your head, but complete mess physically? Are you the other way around?
4) What type of food do you enjoy and why?
5) Time-zones. When are you the most active here?

1. 20+ games here. FWIW, we tend to emphasize dayplay more than TOS.
2. Town - solving.
3. Yes (head yes, body no)
4. The edible kind.
5. Late evenings early mornings - not when I have the kids (mine or students)

[teacher]

I might step on your toes a bit, but thats on purpose.

Why would you warn scum and tell them what the questions can be used for? What advantage do you get out of that?

[teacher]

What is JOJo that people have referred to twice?

[teacher]

I might step on your toes a bit, but thats on purpose.

Why would you

warn scum

and tell them what the questions can be used for? What advantage do you get out of that?

I genuinely don't know if that is a term, you're poking at me or pressuring FF.

I’m saying FF told scum/his partner where to go for how townies could use your questions to generate AI info. It is a warning, that does not strike me as town motivated, so I’m asking about the motivations while also calling it out.

[teacher]

You can call it out here with a link and try to have it Nsweredd from an outsider perspective, or message me postgame.

[teacher]

Please tell me you skimmed the poop show that was 1942.

[teacher]

Arrrgh (yoink)

[teacher]

Yoink

[teacher]

I might step on your toes a bit, but thats on purpose.

Why would you warn scum and tell them what the questions can be used for? What advantage do you get out of that?

Uh... I was calling him scum for using the same basic questions that you and him used in your prior scum game together. If you have an issue please raise it with me directly, I would hate to have to do something to you that would be uncouth

Um, I did raise it directly? Like quoted you and everything? Would you like stylized envelopes as well?

[teacher]

I might step on your toes a bit, but thats on purpose.

Why would you

warn scum

and tell them what the questions can be used for? What advantage do you get out of that?

I genuinely don't know if that is a term, you're poking at me or pressuring FF.

I’m saying FF told scum/his partner where to go for how townies could use your questions to generate AI info. It is a warning, that does not strike me as town motivated, so I’m asking about the motivations while also calling it out.

Im not even sure what youre accusing me of. Do you think that if i were scum i would say anything to my partner here and not in our PT? You should know better than that.

That doesn’t answer the question. What are the town motivations for telling people where they can see how I use the questions to hunt before they answer?

[teacher]

If anything, I don't think they're likely to be mafia again, probability wise.

Totally independent events; one has no bearing on the other. (Odds of being town here, though, are 75% generally)

[teacher]

do I still have to vote or is the day finished?

Definitely have to vote, I’m not even sure whether the day has started yet. I think not. When it does, we will have 10 whole days to wagon and chat. We want to be nearing a lynch with appr 3 days left on deadline.

[teacher]

@teacher; hate talking back to a teacher but what I meant was the probability is 0.25*0.25, since that game was really recent. Of course, I agree it doesn't prove anything

I get what you’re saying, plus I’m only a history teacher, but I disagree a bit. I think the issue is that the events are consecutive not concurrent. Like, the odds of flipping heads twice in a row is 25% (.5*.5) but AFTER one heads it remains the same as any other toss - .5. Here, the one roll already happened and so is not relevant to this one. (Sorry, am a bit of a math nerd as you can tell from how I approach poker, so figured it was worth chatting).

[teacher]

?i guess that makes me bottom?

[teacher]

What are the town motivations for telling people where they can see how I use the questions to hunt before they answer?

Im saying he is scum for using them. Why do i need to wait for him to say anything? I think he is scum for something he did and I am going to push him as soon as i get done pushing you.

You have a problem with unruly students? Cause ive been a stunt puller from birth teach. Watch where you sit, hope no one loosened all the screws in your desk and chair...

Why is copying something I say I have always done (as town) scummy?

[teacher]

but what did he do tho

Epic ISO.

[teacher]

2: Read back a few pages. Teacher, you said you got a townlean from Gardenia. Why?

Combination of entry/no-lynch vote and poking the active bear in the room with the FF vote. Is being herself without a filter, it feels.

[teacher]

I'm about to be replaced too, this game will either be long time-wise and short post-wise, completely dead or completely different player lost because it is so boring.

Playerlist*

See the site's game-specific rule 3. Dont discuss replacements.

[teacher]

What are the town motivations for telling people where they can see how I use the questions to hunt before they answer?

Im saying he is scum for using them. Why do i need to wait for him to say anything? I think he is scum for something he did and I am going to push him as soon as i get done pushing you.

You have a problem with unruly students? Cause ive been a stunt puller from birth teach. Watch where you sit, hope no one loosened all the screws in your desk and chair...

Why is copying something I say I have always done (as town) scummy?

The game you did it with Chib you were scum with him. I'm saying he is scum here trying to emulate your scum play. Take the chalk out of your ears.

but tha's just it; in that game I said I did it to emulate my town play. Why are you jumping to the less likely assumption? (Make sure to yell loudly at your keyboard so I can hear you).

[teacher]

Care for any reasons with that vote?

[teacher]

Code: Select all

[v]Player[/v]-vote
[uv]Player[/uv] -unvote

I’ll be on in a bit.

[teacher]

^posts like that aren’t entirely designed to make someone want to be useful to the gamestate FYI.

[teacher]

Marionette replaces samy73.
Prodding MedicalCoke.

Sadly I believe this is due a replacement.

[teacher]

2: Read back a few pages. Teacher, you said you got a townlean from Gardenia. Why?

Combination of entry/no-lynch vote and poking the active bear in the room with the FF vote. Is being herself without a filter, it feels.

Uncrowned, what did you get out of this? (I.e., both why did you ask and what do you think of the answer?)

[teacher]

but I give up on the Newbie queue

You’ve had two deader than average newb queue games. 1958, which I was modding at the same time as 1959, is more typical (you can trust me on this, I’ve played or modded like a third of the newb queue games since my arrival). 1951 is another “good” example.

Personally I like it best in this queue - it tends to be a little more tryhardy and explanatory, which appeals to my logical approach. After the game I will suggest some other queues or players to follow around - I join in other queues when I like the player list enough, but they can often get to the point where trying to reread a game in lylo is not manageable, and rely too much on “isn’t that scummy” without discussion.

Since you mentioned skimming other games, keep track of the players you like/want to play with. Then periodically stalk them - click into their member page, search their posts, and see if they have /in’ed Into a game that looks interesting.

[teacher]

Mario

I’ve seen this name used a couple times. Who is this?

[teacher]

Care for any reasons with that vote?

yu might be a mafia pair voting Formerifsh

Preflip associations are lol.

[teacher]

VOTE: teacher
Don’t really have any reason, just random voting :T

Not cool.

Why not? Didn’t we discuss how rvs wagons generate info?

[teacher]

guess there's no need for me to make a list anymore?

Nah, I’d still like the list you referred to an hour before posting this? Ignoring the first five pages isn’t a great strategy.

[teacher]

VOTE: gardenia

Naked voting is lol.

Come on, man, toss some reasons into that pasta- it needs spice.

[teacher]

By the way, I never told you but misspelling your name all the way through 1959 was intentional.

Before you go, do you have any insight on coke’s Single post in this game defending your slot?

[teacher]

Let’s not get toxic. I disagree with chibiie’s saying good bye if indeed he has requested replacement and think it is contrary to the spirit of not the letter of general rule 3. But the mod can handle that as they deem fit, and I’d rather not have a sword fight make the air in here worse.

[teacher]

Chibiie, the mod isn’t online, otherwise they would have started with a search to replace coke. Please, for the sake of all of us, don’t hit the reply button until your PM is received. You haven’t really done anything egregious, but neither as fish, and the keyboard warrior obv isn’t worth it.

[teacher]

Ugh. Yuck. All the things.

[teacher]

the moderator [...] flips their role.

Are you referring to the physical action of flipping a playing card over to show what the player's role is in a physical game of mafia?

Jumping into this because I view it as a procedural question rather than one seeking thought-process.

"flip" in this site's lingo means when the moderator posts a player's rolecard after their death. I suppose the verb comes from the literal action of flipping a card in person, but is figurative for purposes of forum mafia.

[teacher]

- Uncrowned; was eh before but I liked your recent posts!

Agree.

[teacher]

but at the end of the reading for some reason my gut made me think that fish and gardenia are maf...

Can you please elaborate on this?

Word of advice, don't look for teams yet. Look for individual scumminess. Associate-hunting happens either post-flip or as a Town's last resort. We're not there yet.

Especially not if two people just talking to each other makes you think they're mafia together.

This is excellent advice, backed up by maths.

To assess individual scumminess at this stage, you have to look at 8 people. To assess associations, you have to look at 28 possible teams. Your brain cant realistically compare 28 options in a wholistic way.

Worst-case scenario, on D3 with only town dead, you have to look at 4 people individually, but only 6 possible teams. That's realistic.

Save associative hunting for later game, when theres info.

[teacher]

but I feel like the vote on Fish is the easiest one to make at the moment, since he's been the most aggressive player thus far.

This is very true. I know Fish well, which is why I voted him -- I thought he would be easy to wagon and I wanted to give people looking for lhf some "cover", being willing to scumread those who joined without independent reasons. Thats not how it played out, with only Gardenia joining. I got some tweaks from how Gyro kept his options open on the apparent leading wagons of Fish and me (even pairing us), but no other biters.

Anyways, now that I have outed the semi-reaction test, its time to
VOTE: Gyro
from its results, and for general lack of advancing content.

[teacher]

the moderator [...] flips their role.

Are you referring to the physical action of flipping a playing card over to show what the player's role is in a physical game of mafia?

Jumping into this because I view it as a procedural question rather than one seeking thought-process

Okay so obviously I'm asking a bunch of questions (which is good?) but what are you trying to describe here when you categorize the questions?

It’s considered good form not to answer a question directed to another slot, even if you know the answer, as the questioner may be looking for tone or thought process from the person they directed the question to, rather than looking for the substantive answer. I was explaining why I was deviating from that general practice in this instance - I was pretty confident you cared about the answer, not how it was answered.

[teacher]

I haven't been that active, mainly because I had a lot of stuff happening the past day. But here are my current reads. If I missed anyone, they're null.
---- Town ----
Teacher
JV

---- Null ----
Datis
Uncrowned

---- Scum ----
FormerFish
Marionette

Is this in order? Why is teacher higher than you? Why is teacher the only town apart from you? :/

No, not in order. And I don't have much reads on anyone else, so to the null they go.

9 people, 1 tr + yourself, 2 scum and 2 null. 3 people not listed, you say to throw them to the nulls. Why did Dat and Unc get a null designation while the others are null be default?

Because I totally didn't forget their names

Why me above you? Normally I’d see that as a good way for a PR to soft a result, but we don’t allow N0 actions?

[teacher]

a good way for a PR to soft a result, but we don’t allow N0 actions?

What is softing a result and why is that a useful thing to do if a cop (or other role... bonus question what other roles want to do this) gets a specific inspect (and what inspect would the cop want?)

Softing a result is providing a clue that is obvious after you are dead. Town PRs want to leave crumbs/sorts of information they learned so that it is obvious if they die before they hardclaim.

For example, a cop doesn’t want to claim D2 so they aren’t killed/roleblocked N2. But they also want town to know of an innocent result on D3 even if they are killed N2 by pure luck. So they should try to crumb the result (positioning in readslist, a start of day post saying “I read over XXX’s ISO during the break and they are town bc (made up reason)”, or something like that, so that when they are flipped cop town can still find their info.

Crumbs/sorts are useful for any PR that gains info town doesn’t have. Typically investigative PRs, but also protectives after a no-kill. In addition, crumbs can be used to support ones claim in the event two players claim the same role—you can show you softed it before and so are more credible.

Not everyone uses them, not all the time, but that’s what they are.

[teacher]

Spoiler: long thread

I haven't been that active, mainly because I had a lot of stuff happening the past day. But here are my current reads. If I missed anyone, they're null.
---- Town ----
Teacher
JV

---- Null ----
Datis
Uncrowned

---- Scum ----
FormerFish
Marionette

Is this in order? Why is teacher higher than you? Why is teacher the only town apart from you? :/

No, not in order. And I don't have much reads on anyone else, so to the null they go.

9 people, 1 tr + yourself, 2 scum and 2 null. 3 people not listed, you say to throw them to the nulls. Why did Dat and Unc get a null designation while the others are null be default?

Because I totally didn't forget their names

Why me above you? Normally I’d see that as a good way for a PR to soft a result, but we don’t allow N0 actions?

I literally just listed the players I remembered and sorted them into where I saw them. There is absolutely no order to anything... so stop

No, not how this game works. You question until you’re satisfied. I’m not.

I don’t believe you remembered me before you. That’s an ego problem/contrary to how most people perceive the world . I think to remembered to add yourself after sorting me. But at that point, why not also add the others you forgot?

I’m not saying this is necessarily ai. I’m saying it’s abnormal behavior. So no, I don’t take kindly to being asked to stop when I’m repeating a question you didn’t directly answer.

[teacher]

@teacher

but I feel like the vote on Fish is the easiest one to make at the moment, since he's been the most aggressive player thus far.

This is very true. I know Fish well, which is why I voted him -- I thought he would be easy to wagon and I wanted to give people looking for lhf some "cover", being willing to scumread those who joined without independent reasons. Thats not how it played out, with only Gardenia joining. I got some tweaks from how Gyro kept his options open on the apparent leading wagons of Fish and me (even pairing us), but no other biters.

Anyways, now that I have outed the semi-reaction test, its time to
VOTE: Gyro
from its results, and for general lack of advancing content.

So, how serious were the "accusations" in 79, 102, 116, 127? And what do you make of gardenia's vote?

And semi-off-topic, I thought the quiet/lurky players were the easiest to vote/wagon?

I’m glad accusations was in quotes - none of those called FF scummy, and all were about only one post of his. I didn’t (and don’t) understand why he outted how I use the rqs questions. To me it’s a bit lamisty (look ma, I do meta) in a way that doesn’t benefit. So I was asking him about it. Those were genuine, but not “accusations” at least to my understanding.

Gardenias vote was natural and totally good. The sass of it contrasted with the desire not to be the bad guy suggests a lack of extra knowledge.

[teacher]

Yoink

[teacher]

1. ?only if I can call you master?

2. Explain all you want, I ain’t buying. The “something you saw” was using the questions. You can say just that. But you didn’t, you added a detail warning about using the answers. Here it is in case you forgot:

Dude, you legit got those questions from your first game when you were scum with teacher, he even explains how he uses them to hunt.

I don’t have any issue with the first part. It’s the second part that is weird - I don’t see any reason for it to be there at all-to the extent you’re calling the slot scum, it’s pointing out a towny reason for the play.

3. That’s a terrible question.

[teacher]

Eli5=explain or shut up? I was going to let it die, but datisi asked me about the earlier posts. I’m not connecting either, but am not sure we’ll be able to see the others view on this. That said, happy to try again I’d thats what you were asking.

[teacher]

Eli5=explain or shut up? I was going to let it die, but datisi asked me about the earlier posts. I’m not connecting either, but am not sure we’ll be able to see the others view on this. That said, happy to try again I’d thats what you were asking.

Explain, like i legit dont get why you have an issue with e scum hunting off your back in an other game?

No problem with “scum hunting off [my] back”

No problem with pointing out that I used the questions as scum with Chibiie.

Only problem is saying roughly ‘even told you how he uses the answers to hunt’

Because that’s not scumhunting.

That’s either (1) finding a town motivation for the play —- hunting

Or (2) irrelevant to whether he was ‘emulating scum play’, since I didn’t use them there.

So it seemed like an odd nonsequitur to throw in, which made me wonder if it had another purpose (like a warning).that said, I feel like too much has been made of it.

[teacher]

Dude, you legit got those questions from your first game when you were scum with teacher,

he even explains how he uses them to hunt

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Trying another way, briefly. I’m totally good with the green. That does seems like hunting. It’s the orange I don’t understand/view as a nonsequitur because it provides town reasons to use the questions.

[teacher]

‘even told you how he uses the answers to hunt’

Because it goes to Chibbies mind set for posing the questions. He saw you do it in his first game, and was trying them out here like a bird stepping out of the nest for the first time.

Should I have let people answer and then pushed him as scum? And if I wanted to send a warning a pt is a much better place for that, and i dont see one around here, do you?

It does go to Chibiies mind - it introduces a town reason for posing the questions (to emulate how I scumhunt with them).

Like I said, I’m fine w the first part without waiting. It’s the second part - that’s not connected to your push - that I didn’t like.

PT warnings/checkins are not that necessarily reliable in the newb queue, as you well know. Some people only use the forum links to navigate, not knowing how to ego search their way back to threads.

[teacher]

I’m offline tonight for candy hunting. Be well all.

[teacher]

Okay some people who I think are scummy:
Fish because a lot of his posts are useless crap like what his midnight snack is. Also when I consider if I should lynch him I get this different emotional response inside me than considering other people. Idk how to describe it but it's like a "noooo don't" feeling. Just feels like a weird way to stand out I think he may have possibly tried to manipulate us into not wanting him to Lynch him for not logical reasons

Gard feels kinda like a mafia trying to hide behind newbie mask of innocence and isn't posting too often so that nobody can catch her making mistakes.

JV shutting up for this long is probably relaxing and he can take a break room defending himself. The lack of posting now that the heat is off is odd to me.

It's possible a newbie maf could post with partner in the private thread and think oh I'm posting that's good and accidentally neglect posting here which makes me think gard and jv are a bit more sus, although jv certainly does make a high magnitude of weird newb errors if that is the case

This is just my opinion, but so far you've been saying a lot of things but not much has backing/doesn't really make sense. Most of these are based on "feelings"? :/

And you've come along back and just parroted the same concerns that other players had put forward. Now certainly it is a reasonable concern but don't you have anything more to add?

This (bottom) post struck me as possibly coached. I agree w GD’s comments that your prior posts seemed more emotional and coming from a quite different perspective than most. I was willing to chalk that up to a newb getting used to forum mafia, but here you are showing different - more standard and more advanced - thinking. Specifically the line on parroting, that’s not ‘feelings’ that’s a specific and potentially accurate criticism. It’s a level different than your other posts in a way that’s concerning.

[teacher]

OH! Yeah that's what I meant. Since I TvS Teacher and FF. If FF flips town, Teacher is the scum from my pov.

You are going to feel very silly eventually. Mark this post to look back at and feel bad about.

Nah, master. He’s going to look back at that one and decide that maybe he shouldn’t try to get the two loudest in the room lynched even when rolling scum.

[teacher]

Bugs, why no avi?

[teacher]

Could you get a placeholder?

[teacher]

VOTE: bugspray
Answer the question boi

Can we lynch this now?

[teacher]

Notice the lack of counter effort while that slots been the focus?

Notice the lack of appeasement from that slot?

[teacher]

It feels like the attention has been focused on bug and that’s the momentum slot. And it feels like nobody has been pushing against that, which means everybody (including bugs presumptive partner) is ok with that. So I’m not.

The second line was on bugs response to the avi and other pressure - not trying to appease others to survive. I’m just not getting much survivalism. Again, not a great sign.

[teacher]

Thanks for answering lol
UNVOTE: bugspray

Why so quick to unvote after he answered one question? Isn't he on your scum list? Or am I wrong?

I only voted bug because they wouldn't answer my question, then they did so I unvoted. Gyro is more sus to me. Its either Gyro or bug from my current pov

Can easily be both, to be clear, and I have slight inclinations to believe that from cokes one post. Just think gyro is the more progitable lynch for the day.

[teacher]

My tier list was me trying to quietly say "hey are you two Masons?* But I sort of made it useless at both the apparent and intended purpose which is why I put gyro in town for a bs reason. It was 100% me overreadimg into the year if I'm mafia then he is my partner

So many questions.
*why masons? (See FF)
* which two?
* why would you spec in thread anyways?
* what is this responding to?

[teacher]

Thanks for answering lol
UNVOTE: bugspray

Why so quick to unvote after he answered one question? Isn't he on your scum list? Or am I wrong?

I only voted bug because they wouldn't answer my question, then they did so I unvoted. Gyro is more sus to me. Its either Gyro or bug from my current pov

Can easily be both, to be clear, and I have slight inclinations to believe that from cokes one post. Just think gyro is the more progitable lynch for the day.

Who are you referring to, Teacher? JV and Gyro? Bug and Gyro?

My bad, I was referring to A JV/bug point when talking bug/gyro ignore it, just me being dumb about who replaces who.

[teacher]

Disagree. It will let me see your thought process which is something I am definitely not understanding generally. It’s either newb!moonlogic or scum not knowing how to distract and I’m not sure which. Trying to hear it coherently explained (or at least why you thought there would be masons and which two you thought were) would definitely help - not so much for the substance but for the process.

[teacher]

gardenia has requested replacement.

with two slots dead, is deadline paused?

[teacher]

Pedit: quack

[teacher]

That’s why we don’t PR spec in thread. But that cats out of the bag. And you have no better shot of being right than scum do, presumably. (You’ve also functionally claimed vt with your post, which is yet another reason why you shouldn’t pr spec).

[teacher]

By speculating two people were masons, that means you can’t be a pr (or are just being even more moonlogicy than I thought)

[teacher]

Greater than.

[teacher]

Daddy got a guilty. Going to sit on who for a bit.

[teacher]

I’d rather you spam ethos.

[teacher]

Quacker, I’d rather revisit 575 - that’s a fairly row sided readslist. Could you dig deeper on uncrowned, JV, and fuzzy?

[teacher]

*townsided

[teacher]

Sure buddy me more after I’ve outted my role as confirmable town. Cop is never a safe claim iirc.

[teacher]

Yoink

[teacher]

Some mech speak that I’m going to be quoting several times this phase: doc on me, and stay hidden, If we have one. If I die, town knows we are in column C and there is no other pr. If I live, town knows we are in A and I was RBed. Mason, keeper, tracker, fan, cop, feel free to counterclaim

[teacher]

Ducky, understood on the reads. Just know I will be expecting them over the course of today.

[teacher]

I don’t have a clear, I have a guilty, so I’d rather you try to read pure to the extent you can because I’m looking at how people play around certain slots (tbc, my result is not necessarily in those three. But I want people to react to those three, for ....reasons..... that are a bit complex)

[teacher]

@board do not rush the lynch or allow a quickhammer before my result is outted.

I’m not sure what the two of you are doing voting with a pending guilty anyway?

[teacher]

The guilty check could easily be a bluff dude

This is suuuuuper weird. Like I said this:

a cop doesn’t want to claim [an inno] D2 so they aren’t killed/roleblocked N2. But they also want town to know of an innocent result on D3 even if they are killed N2

And this:

Some mech speak that I’m going to be quoting several times this phase: doc on me, and stay hidden, If we have one. If I die, town knows we are in column C and there is no other pr. If I live, town knows we are in A and I was RBed. Mason, keeper, tracker, fan, cop, feel free to counterclaim

So I’m your mind there is a legit possibility I outted myself as cop (a claim that gets countered in every single setup) with an inno just for the giggles?

[teacher]

I will say fishy wasn’t my target. That would have been today’s lynch if I hadn’t gotten a guilty, and IMO cops should not target a likely lynch (so the cop can keep an inno result hidden)

[teacher]

Yes. (Date night so I’m offline, but yes I tho k so. The same way he found me).

[teacher]

I need to read this game still. Planning on doing a chronological catch up. Anything I should know before then?

When we’re you planning on this?

[teacher]

Happy Birthday Duck!

[teacher]

I need to read this game still. Planning on doing a chronological catch up. Anything I should know before then?

can this be prodded pls.

[teacher]

I’m disliking the lack of excitement/participation from several slots. Ethos of course, but I feel like tw has asked that several times and there has been no discussion of what is a fairly spicy nk other than from fish. Like I can’t see a good reason to kill someone who was universal PoE.

[teacher]

JV, care to join fuzzy on the readslist assignment, and also answer this?

So I’m your mind there is a legit possibility I outted myself as cop (a claim that gets countered in every single setup) with an inno just for the giggles?

[teacher]

Interest tunnel of two slots ignoring the two highest posters?

[teacher]

Also what is NAI

Non alignment indicative

[teacher]

I have thoughts that I’ll drop after the kiddos go to bed.

[teacher]

--on a side note I think this implicates at least one newb as the scumteam, probably 2, because why kill bugspray after they VT slipped?--

Goddamnit eth0s. This was my spicy observation. One more thing to say on the subject.

And that is? Like if I didn’t know better, I’d say you’ve been playing your town game to. T, especially with the welcoming newb/tryharding. But here I do and it’s coming across a little laminate/pockety, ya dig?

[teacher]

Duck just go ahead, ya?

[teacher]

JV, ya, definitely PR speculate in thread with the investigative outed. That’s good strategy.

[teacher]

VOTE: JV

Is there an explanation pinned with that?

That you’re known!scum?

[teacher]

VOTE: JV

[teacher]

Also

[teacher]

Yoink. JV is guilty. It even rhymes.

[teacher]

UNVOTE:

Duck why give intent rather than finish your thought?

[teacher]

Pedit: driving but why out that with the rb

[teacher]

Duck - heard and Agreed. I’m not in signups for a reason.

[teacher]

VOTE: Ducky

I picked up on you being scum when you didn't pick up me being a mason with teacher.



Ya caught fool.

He’s been waiting like all game to post that vid.

[teacher]

Reread my ISO around sod2 and if you can't pick the moment I realised you and teacher were masons in realtime you need your lens prescription checked. I literally went from hard pushing you to saying we could resume it when the mood struck me and then asked teacher whether I should be sleeping his townread on you. I have no idea how I could have crumbed it more obviously and tried harder to save your asses from eating a n2.

Yea the facepalm was good.

But you’re better than to lose site of the count or think I wouldn’t call out an L-1 in the newb (though tbh I shouldn’t be faking a guilty either).

Were you hammer-testing or did you just give up pushing what you knew you couldn’t lynch and decide to pocket/lamist

[teacher]

But here’s the thing, Duck. The doc claim only appears surface level town. Like you could use that argument, just like you did. But it depends on me hitting scum with my “guilty”. And scum!yoh could m ow whether or not I did that before claiming doctor.

[teacher]

cop guilty is definitely more irritating in a newbie game.

Agree. I need to step away for a bit like I did in June. I’ve been unfun recently.

[teacher]

Also, se!scum should theoretically know counter claiming a guilty is the highest ev.

But duck, if the facepalm is when you solved it, why do you think you missed it before? I would have thought the “brother” “master” “robe duty” “mystical” “partner” “wrong half” breadloaves were more than enough for a quacker like you even before FF explained his hammer.

[teacher]

^ yea, I lost sight of my general goal in these games. Idk. But let’s leave that (the nonsolving aspect) fn.

pEdit:this was at duck, but I think FF is right too. This isn’t the time.

[teacher]

I’m grading.

[teacher]

intent in a day.

[teacher]

Bueller?

[teacher]

So fmpov, JV is either pure town or paired with duck. I can see a world In Which duck knew it was a reaction test and coached JV on how to respond, but I don’t see a world in which duck is town and JV is scum given his reaction to that hammer test.

I need to go back and check my ethos-uncrowned associatives with ethos, but I remember thinking that was relatively unlikely last time I looked. So my suggestion if fthjs flips green is to lylo duck, and red to go (ethos incrowned).

I’m putting this out there now since the nk is fairly chained at this point.

[teacher]

Eh that’s a fair take. Either way I agree that they >you on the town meter

Be well.