Newbie 1963 - Game Over

[JacksonVirgo]

Glad to see my predecessor was extremely active.
Here comes a slap vote VOTE: Uncrowned

[JacksonVirgo]

I would now keep the votes on Uncrowned to a minimum, until later in the day. Don't bring it to hammer lol

[JacksonVirgo]

Dare I ask why? (also same request about the profile picture to you too)

Huh?

[JacksonVirgo]

1) why did you vote for him?
2) please get a profile picture

I voted for them since they think voting 'cuz of inactivity is smart when it's not, especially D1

[JacksonVirgo]

Not necessarily, most are null at the moment.
I have a swingy read on FF, and they're either dead scum or dead town. Leaning as scum for now but it will reveal over time.

[JacksonVirgo]

Ima be out for a few hours

[JacksonVirgo]

I haven't been that active, mainly because I had a lot of stuff happening the past day. But here are my current reads. If I missed anyone, they're null.
---- Town ----
Teacher
JV

---- Null ----
Datis
Uncrowned

---- Scum ----
FormerFish
Marionette

[JacksonVirgo]

I haven't been that active, mainly because I had a lot of stuff happening the past day. But here are my current reads. If I missed anyone, they're null.
---- Town ----
Teacher
JV

---- Null ----
Datis
Uncrowned

---- Scum ----
FormerFish
Marionette

Is this in order? Why is teacher higher than you? Why is teacher the only town apart from you? :/

No, not in order. And I don't have much reads on anyone else, so to the null they go.

[JacksonVirgo]

I haven't been that active, mainly because I had a lot of stuff happening the past day. But here are my current reads. If I missed anyone, they're null.
---- Town ----
Teacher
JV

---- Null ----
Datis
Uncrowned

---- Scum ----
FormerFish
Marionette

Is this in order? Why is teacher higher than you? Why is teacher the only town apart from you? :/

No, not in order. And I don't have much reads on anyone else, so to the null they go.

9 people, 1 tr + yourself, 2 scum and 2 null. 3 people not listed, you say to throw them to the nulls. Why did Dat and Unc get a null designation while the others are null be default?

Because I totally didn't forget their names

[JacksonVirgo]

I haven't been that active, mainly because I had a lot of stuff happening the past day. But here are my current reads. If I missed anyone, they're null.
---- Town ----
Teacher
JV

---- Null ----
Datis
Uncrowned

---- Scum ----
FormerFish
Marionette

Is this in order? Why is teacher higher than you? Why is teacher the only town apart from you? :/

No, not in order. And I don't have much reads on anyone else, so to the null they go.

9 people, 1 tr + yourself, 2 scum and 2 null. 3 people not listed, you say to throw them to the nulls. Why did Dat and Unc get a null designation while the others are null be default?

Because I totally didn't forget their names

Why me above you? Normally I’d see that as a good way for a PR to soft a result, but we don’t allow N0 actions?

I literally just listed the players I remembered and sorted them into where I saw them. There is absolutely no order to anything... so stop

[JacksonVirgo]

Spoiler: long thread

I haven't been that active, mainly because I had a lot of stuff happening the past day. But here are my current reads. If I missed anyone, they're null.
---- Town ----
Teacher
JV

---- Null ----
Datis
Uncrowned

---- Scum ----
FormerFish
Marionette

Is this in order? Why is teacher higher than you? Why is teacher the only town apart from you? :/

No, not in order. And I don't have much reads on anyone else, so to the null they go.

9 people, 1 tr + yourself, 2 scum and 2 null. 3 people not listed, you say to throw them to the nulls. Why did Dat and Unc get a null designation while the others are null be default?

Because I totally didn't forget their names

Why me above you? Normally I’d see that as a good way for a PR to soft a result, but we don’t allow N0 actions?

I literally just listed the players I remembered and sorted them into where I saw them. There is absolutely no order to anything... so stop

No, not how this game works. You question until you’re satisfied. I’m not.

I don’t believe you remembered me before you. That’s an ego problem/contrary to how most people perceive the world . I think to remembered to add yourself after sorting me. But at that point, why not also add the others you forgot?

I’m not saying this is necessarily ai. I’m saying it’s abnormal behavior. So no, I don’t take kindly to being asked to stop when I’m repeating a question you didn’t directly answer.

I added myself afterwards as a joke because I was 'townreading' myself, you're reading into it too much.

[JacksonVirgo]

Cool. Let's not lynch me yet because we are about to finally have every slot participating

O_o

[JacksonVirgo]

I will say I like bugs point about Jackson slowing down his posts once the topics of conversation changed. I'd also like an actual reads list from Jackson that includes everyone and gives more detail.

Yeah apologies, just have been busy and I am currently a basket of sickness. Give me a bit to gather a full readlist of everybody

[JacksonVirgo]

Before I start, there is absolutely no order in this list outside of the sections (scum, town, null).

My reads as of right now.
Teacher and FormerFish are a TvS

bugspray | Chibiie

Chibiie seemed to answer questions with actual effort making me lean to town.

Gardenia

- They seemed to be reluctant to vote at all at first, which doesn't inherently mean anything but then teacher stated that they wrote that out as scum.

FormerFish

- wanted a lynch wagon on Teacher early on. Then claimed chibiie was scum whether as a joke or otherwise. They're currently a scumlean for me.

Gyro

- Seemed to be lurking could be an SvS with FF.

Datisi | Saladman27

- Salad seemed townie and Datisi seems somewhat null currently so I am townleaning that

Marionette

- Voted without a reason, scumlean

Uncrowned

- This one is null to me.

If I missed anyone, let me know.

TLDR;

TOWNLEAN

• bugspray
  
• Gardenia
  
• Datisi

NULL

• Uncrowned

SCUMLEAN

• FF
  
• Gyro
  
• Mari

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh right, Teacher. I town read them. A TvS with you in fact as I stated.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post

Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner

So you're just assuming I am scum? Okay then

[JacksonVirgo]

Voting up my biggest scumread is scummy? Sounds legit

[JacksonVirgo]

Alright let me rephrase it: it's a very good play to make as scum which I guess isn't really super scummy

I mean I guess so if I were scum, but alas I am not so you're theory breaks there.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: FormerFish
Reasoning in my last post

Sort of siding me me and trying to get on my good side when I'm a scummier looking town is a smart move as scum because it would mean that you just NK someone who is super town and then use that rapport in future days for more ML's

Thoughts?

p.s. if JV is maf then I think the tierlist would be a good nit to pick for clues about partner

I don't think people voting on the same person means they're trying to get on their good side. I wouldn't say myself/Teacher and Datisi/Fish are trying to "get close" or whatever, yet our votes are on the same people. Not sure if that's good logic to work off of.

I mean from my pov, it isn't good logic and it seems to be biased against me completely. If they want to base their future reads of that it's fine, just they need to think the same about you/teacher, datisi/fish like you stated or the logic falls through the cracks.

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: formerfish

Reasoning?

[JacksonVirgo]

Until Gyro explains that vote I am going to unvote so.

/unvote

[JacksonVirgo]

I forgot the proper formatting so I'll do it again.
UNVOTE: FF

[JacksonVirgo]

To put it simply, I voted because I feel they are a TvS with Teacher. The fact Gyro jumped onto that with a naked vote makes me want to get off that shiz as fast as I can.

[JacksonVirgo]

To put it simply, I voted because I feel they are a TvS with Teacher. The fact Gyro jumped onto that with a naked vote makes me want to get off that shiz as fast as I can.

Didn't you also say you thought Gyro/Fish was SvS?

Do you still see Fish as Scum then, or no?

I don't remember writing that anywhere but yes I feel Gyro/Fish are a SvS and this might be a way of Gyro getting towncred but I also think Teacher/Fish is a TvS.

So currently my reads are FF and Gyro being scum. I left that wagon because I don't want it to be lynched yet.

[JacksonVirgo]

To put it simply, I voted because I feel they are a TvS with Teacher. The fact Gyro jumped onto that with a naked vote makes me want to get off that shiz as fast as I can.

Didn't you also say you thought Gyro/Fish was SvS?

Do you still see Fish as Scum then, or no?

I don't remember writing that anywhere but yes I feel Gyro/Fish are a SvS and this might be a way of Gyro getting towncred but I also think Teacher/Fish is a TvS.

So currently my reads are FF and Gyro being scum. I left that wagon because I don't want it to be lynched yet.

I went back and found it, Post 373 is when you said it.

So you think Fish is scum but don't want to apply pressure onto him yet? I don't like the Gyro vote on him either, but if you think he's scum wouldn't you want pressure on FF?

Oh I forgot I wrote that actually, I don't want a hammer lynch just yet I want them both to add their sides before doing anything since I'd rather get proven wrong by logic than by losing a town. But honestly Gyros vote makes me think they noticed that someone sees them as a SvS with FF and wants to try and counter that, which makes me SR them even more tbh

[JacksonVirgo]

Gardenia - They seemed to be reluctant to vote at all at first, which doesn't inherently mean anything but then teacher stated that they wrote that out as scum.

JV, I don't get this part? How does this equate to a Gard TL?

Jackson can you please answer this for me ty ty

Ah yes, I think I missed you asking this. What I wrote about Teacher made me think FF/Teach was a TvS and did not change my read on Gard at all, I wrote that in the wrong spot. However, I TL them because they really haven't given me a reason not too. Probably not the greatest reason but yep.

[JacksonVirgo]

Discussion you had with Bugs a bit earlier about "you trying to buddy them" or whatever, you make anything out of that?

Honestly, I've got two total outcomes in my head (probably not the write wording)

Since I am set on TvS {Teacher, FF}. It's either SvS {FF, Gyro} (meaning it could be Gyro/Teacher) or SvS {FF, bug}

[JacksonVirgo]

However, I TL them because they really haven't given me a reason not too.

Have I given you a reason not to TL me?

You're on my TL list, wdym?

[JacksonVirgo]

Well, you put him at L-2 not L-1, Jackson. And even if someone hammered him without waiting for his defense, it'd be clear they're scum and they'd be next on the chopping block. We established earlier on in the game that we want to be applying pressure on people.

Oh that's true, I didn't think of them practically outting themselves as scum if they vote.
VOTE: FormerFish

[JacksonVirgo]

Datisi | Saladman27 - Salad seemed townie and

Datisi seems somewhat null currently

so I am townleaning that

Jackson, I'm also thnking you're wrong on FF. If not, I'll figure it out soon. But I really don't think FF is getting lynched today.

If I am wrong about them that's my bad, but that's my strongest read at the moment

[JacksonVirgo]

Since I am set on TvS {Teacher, FF}. It's either SvS {FF, Gyro}

(meaning it could be Gyro/Teacher)

or SvS {FF, bug}

What do you mean Gyro/Teacher?

Yeah could have formatted that better and now that I am writing this, I disagree with my own read on that.

I mean originally that if FF flips scum. All my SvS reads with FF were now with Teacher but I don't think that anymore

[JacksonVirgo]

@Datisi, how do you know if your next post will be a page topper? Is there a set number of posts per page?

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean originally that if FF flips scum. All my SvS reads with FF were now with Teacher but I don't think that anymore

Okay, genuinely no idea what this means.

And yes. By default, each page has 25 posts. So posts number 25, 50, 75, 100, 125 etc. are pagetoppers.

Words aren't helpful for me when I am half asleep, apologies

[JacksonVirgo]

You're chopping and changing a lot, I'm not sure what to make of you.

How so? I believe I've been dead set on TvS FF and SvS Gyro/FF for a while. Have I not made that clear enough?

[JacksonVirgo]

You're chopping and changing a lot, I'm not sure what to make of you.

How so? I believe I've been dead set on TvS FF and SvS Gyro/FF for a while. Have I not made that clear enough?

TvS {FF/Teacher}*
EBWOP

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean originally that if FF flips scum. All my SvS reads with FF were now with Teacher but I don't think that anymore

Okay, genuinely no idea what this means.

And yes. By default, each page has 25 posts. So posts number 25, 50, 75, 100, 125 etc. are pagetoppers.

Words aren't helpful for me when I am half asleep, apologies

The only way I can make sense of 413 is if you'd meant to write "meant originally that if FF flips Town". Is that right?

OH! Yeah that's what I meant. Since I TvS Teacher and FF. If FF flips town, Teacher is the scum from my pov.

[JacksonVirgo]

You're chopping and changing a lot, I'm not sure what to make of you.

How so? I believe I've been dead set on TvS FF and SvS Gyro/FF for a while. Have I not made that clear enough?

The Fish vote, unvote, and then revote.

Saying Teacher could take FF"s role in the SvS teams you have listed, and then taking it back a few posts later.

Could just be mistakes or reevaluating, which is fine. I'm pointing it out because it's happened two times in quick succession.

Your TvS and SvS have been consistent, I wasn't referencing those.

I was just speaking about the options from my pov at the moment. I voted/unvoted/voted because I didn't want a hammer just yet and since you pointed out that a L-2 didn't mean what I thought it meant I revoted.

[JacksonVirgo]

I think FF is the scum. I don't believe teacher is, I thought that was what I was saying?

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway, it's 11pm. I've gotta get some rest

[JacksonVirgo]

I think FF is the scum. I don't believe teacher is, I thought that was what I was saying?

Let me try make full sense.

FF is Scum to you. But if he flips town, you think Teacher is scum instead. Is that correct?

Isn't that was SvS means? Have I got the terminology wrong?

[JacksonVirgo]

SvS is when you think two scum are arguing and going against one another to "distance" from each other, so that people don't think they're a team.

TvT is when you think two town members are going against one another.

TVS is when you think an interaction is actually a Town going against a Scum.

I see. Well I think that one person in {Teacher/FF} is scum, personally I think FormerFish is the scum in there. And I think they're teamed with either bug or gyro, again biased against gyro.

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway, I'm going to go sleep. Will respond to any questionings tomorrow mornin'.

[JacksonVirgo]

JacksonVirgo: Can't tell if they're just a more prepared newbie than I am or if they are more experienced idk don't know and don't have opinions on this person

I've got

some

experience under my belt, on another site though.

Sorry if this sucks lol i tried

Don't be sorry, it was a good readlist

[JacksonVirgo]

re: 444
im checking all the links of the you clicked this before color and I'm not finding what I remember reading, it's really possible I'm just overwhelmed by all the text and misremembering hard. I think it may have been some mafia strategy stuff I was reading before I replaced in that mentioned mafia should usually leave people who are easier to lynch alive but going back and reading a lot of stuff it's said many times that what I'm doing is exactly what I shouldn't be doing (and also yall have told me a bit as well.) Going to try and stop just doing impulse posts without thinking things through. Quality over quantity

re: 445
For that I think it's a matter of I didn't see the same good intentions you did and really didn't consider other people's intent when making posts while all of my posts sort of trying to have some kind of weird intent to judge stuff and trick the mafia which is more of me trying to be smart but actually being a complete idiot. Going to look through his ISO now and see if anything catches my eye.

I'm just as town as most of y'all (all but two) and will try to not be a hindrance anymore.

Is this your first forum mafia game? Because I feel you're looking through everything in the wiki and calling out anything you see like me apparently trying to get on your good side by voting FF or something, even though that'd be a bad call on my behalf if I was scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also lol someone please teach me how to reply to more than one person in a post

Do you mean multi quoting??

[JacksonVirgo]

@bugspray, mind answering my question?

[JacksonVirgo]

ah thanks! i didn't know what multiquoting meant lmao
Also your pfp is calming is that bts lol

Yes its BTS lol

[JacksonVirgo]

Also your pfp is calming is that bts lol

Translate please. English preferably.

BTS is a kpop group. Pfp is profile pic

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: bugspray
Answer the question boi

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: bugspray
Answer the question boi

Can we lynch this now?

Me? Don't be daft

[JacksonVirgo]

It feels like the attention has been focused on bug and that’s the momentum slot. And it feels like nobody has been pushing against that, which means everybody (including bugs presumptive partner) is ok with that. So I’m not.

The second line was on bugs response to the avi and other pressure - not trying to appease others to survive. I’m just not getting much survivalism. Again, not a great sign.

You're pushing against it.

Teacher/Bug lol

[JacksonVirgo]

Thanks for answering lol
UNVOTE: bugspray

[JacksonVirgo]

*slaps whiteboard* VOTE: Gyro.
Reasoning: Still hasn't told us why they placed a naked vote on FF.

[JacksonVirgo]

Thanks for answering lol
UNVOTE: bugspray

Why so quick to unvote after he answered one question? Isn't he on your scum list? Or am I wrong?

I only voted bug because they wouldn't answer my question, then they did so I unvoted. Gyro is more sus to me. Its either Gyro or bug from my current pov

[JacksonVirgo]

Through no fault of their own, Datisi has received game compromising information and will need to be replaced.

OOF

[JacksonVirgo]

The replacement is literally the worst! :c

[JacksonVirgo]

Hehe

[JacksonVirgo]

before i go:

The replacement is literally the worst! :c

mood tbh

I love you already, what a great avatar

[JacksonVirgo]

{tw}
{teacher, bugsy}
{gyro > jacks, gard}
{fuzang, uncrowned}
{fishy}


keep forgetting fuzang is here that's not good

I get it is townread top, scumread bottom. But what's the '>' mean?

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah so you're townreading Gyro over myself? Just tryin' to feel what you're feelin'

[JacksonVirgo]

Personally I disagree, but eh we'll see the outcome of that eventually.

[JacksonVirgo]

It's hard to townread another slot over yourself tbf but I getchu. I wrote up my paragraph on Gyro last thing before I slipped out of the thread before so I think I've done that thing to myself where my last memory of him was warm fuzzy feelings; still think he's town but I'm also aware I'm slightly tunnelling myself into townreading him tonight.

how are you feeling about Mr. Fishy aorn? any thoughts on my idea of pushing the scum who is easier to read correctly and hunting back from there?

I mean to me, Fishy is scummy as all balls. Being at the top of my scumread list

[JacksonVirgo]

From my current point of view, FF seems like the scummiest person here; if you have a problem deal with it
VOTE: Formerfish

[JacksonVirgo]

From my current point of view, FF seems like the scummiest person here; if you have a problem deal with it
VOTE: Formerfish

Ahh, you guys smell that?

Its a scum claim.

Ducky/JV for the win!

Yeah, if you want to blindly believe that go-ahead scum

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't believe ducky to be scum either, the only strong lead I've got is you and you seem to be heavy defending yourself and seem to be making incredibly useless posts with no reasoning at all outside of threats

[JacksonVirgo]

Let me reword, heavy defending yourself when no real pressure is even on you

[JacksonVirgo]

From my current point of view, FF seems like the scummiest person here; if you have a problem deal with it
VOTE: Formerfish

Ahh, you guys smell that?

Its a scum claim.

Ducky/JV for the win!

Yeah, if you want to blindly believe that go-ahead scum

Remember when you called me scum on day 1 and i told you you were going to feel silly about that eventually?

Have you also not been reading the thread? I haven't been subtle at all about what I am, and with you being the 2nd person to vote me like that it shows that you are a newbscum who is playing poorly because you have no where good to push, so you push me as lhf.

Good job playing totally on the surface and not bothering to look at anything more in depth.

Sure thing kiddo, watch when I flip town when you stupidly mislynch me

[JacksonVirgo]

The guilty check could easily be a bluff dude

[JacksonVirgo]

The guilty check could easily be a bluff dude

Why would you assume its a bluff? I caught some cop crumbs from the slot going back to the start of the day, teacher has played a pure town power game and i have nothing in my frame of knowledge that would shed any doubt on that.

Do you?

Or you just throwing shade for the sake of shade?

Did I say I assumed it was a bluff? No I don't think I did, I said it could easily be a bluff to get reads.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why would you even throw that out there though? There isnt any proof that its not. Why assume it might not be true?

Thats a scumslip bro.

I said it could easily be a bluff, how the shiz is that a scumslip? Lmao, get your head out of your ass

[JacksonVirgo]

@FF you could be easily bussing someone right now 'cuz of the red check claim. Trying to give yourself town-cred, it's a possibility

[JacksonVirgo]

Maybe you should read

[JacksonVirgo]

No it's just I said it was a possibility and you threw it through the shredder, probably thinking that's what I see

[JacksonVirgo]

@FF I have no idea what you expected me to find after reading your ISO, whether you put it down as being new or otherwise, you just progressively got cockier and had no real input outside of saying bugspray unintentionally claimed VT and threw shade at my readlist

[JacksonVirgo]

I meant me being new boo

[JacksonVirgo]

@FF, was what you're referencing before the

Touch the wrong half and I'll cut you.

If so, that completely went over my head before

[JacksonVirgo]

their alignment** sorry
mobileposter, kinda went jacks=>he/him in my head

Give them* the benefit

I am also bad at looking at these pronouns smh

All good, I understand why it'd be confuzzling lol

[JacksonVirgo]

JV, care to join fuzzy on the readslist assignment, and also answer this?

So I’m your mind there is a legit possibility I outted myself as cop (a claim that gets countered in every single setup) with an inno just for the giggles?

I'll get to the readlist after my exam in half an hour, but I think there is a possibility that you as a Mason or similar said that to gain reads or the like but then are easily able to confirm otherwise so you're not mislynched. I should probably have elaborated that earlier but oh well.

[JacksonVirgo]

The guilty check could easily be a bluff dude

So to be clear. You think that teacher could be a mason who bluffed a result as a cop to gain reads and for some reason you called out the guilty as a bluff even though you think that if he's bluffing he's still town.

So why call out the bluff if you think it's a town motivated bluff? Why not let the Gambit run its course and see what we get from it?

From where I stand, you were using it to throw shade onto me and I did not appreciate that

[JacksonVirgo]

What do you mean? I thought that was what you asked

[JacksonVirgo]

What do you mean? I thought that was what you asked

How is what you posted a response to me calling you out for a logical inconsistency in your posting?

Bottom line is you think that teacher is either a cop or a mason, so why would you throw shade of possible scum onto someone you think is a cop or mason?

I did not think of it like that, I was just speaking my mind

[JacksonVirgo]

What do you mean? I thought that was what you asked

How is what you posted a response to me calling you out for a logical inconsistency in your posting?

Bottom line is you think that teacher is either a cop or a mason, so why would you throw shade of possible scum onto someone you think is a cop or mason?

I did not think of it like that, I was just speaking my mind

That's probably because you're scum. Town would think about it differently.

Yeah I'd take that back if you don't want cause a mislynch later.

[JacksonVirgo]

You seem confident you can be confirmed easily, so my thoughts on a scum team would be ethos and fuz.
If you are bluffing then it'd be ethos you

[JacksonVirgo]

It's hard to townread another slot over yourself tbf but I getchu. I wrote up my paragraph on Gyro last thing before I slipped out of the thread before so I think I've done that thing to myself where my last memory of him was warm fuzzy feelings; still think he's town but I'm also aware I'm slightly tunnelling myself into townreading him tonight.

how are you feeling about Mr. Fishy aorn? any thoughts on my idea of pushing the scum who is easier to read correctly and hunting back from there?

I mean to me, Fishy is scummy as all balls. Being at the top of my scumread list

okay? then why aren't you voting him or at least poking him or something?

Uh, I am voting him

[JacksonVirgo]

VOTE: JV

Is there an explanation pinned with that?

[JacksonVirgo]

I've probably been acting weird, all my brain power was in another game but now that the game is essentially solved I will be able to contribute more and not be a dunce lol

[JacksonVirgo]

You seem confident you can be confirmed easily, so my thoughts on a scum team would be ethos and fuz.
If you are bluffing then it'd be ethos you

woah woah hold the phone explain this right now please[/spoiler]

Okay, so here is my current thoughts. The way FF has been acting to me is calling out a few possibilities.
1. They're scum since they've been pushing on flipped town and myself.
2. They're Town but wanting themselves to seem scummy but not too much to get lynched so that mafia doesn't kill them.
3. They are a confirmable role so they can be aggressive and lure out scumslips as they may have the ability to confirm themself as town easily.

[JacksonVirgo]

Welp, y'all are going to mislynch again and lose

[JacksonVirgo]

*claps*

[JacksonVirgo]

If the cop has a red-check why not reveal that and lynch that instead of the stupid ass mislynch wagon you're on

[JacksonVirgo]

Ima go play Death Stranding, if you want to follow scum and mislynch me go ahead.
VT here, nothing else I can do.

[JacksonVirgo]

Is that seriously hammer? Y'all are dumb but sure

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay, I got a little salty but I don't really understand what lead you all have on me outside of just following what I assume to be a scum led wagon. If the cop has a red-check, why don't they actually tell us who and lynch them instead of just mislynching me. You all think you've got me right but you don't

[JacksonVirgo]

Unless the cop-check is fake or bluffed

[JacksonVirgo]

So are you all just set on falsely seeing me as scum? That's perfect lmao, and wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

If I am hammered, shame on all of you. The cop should have outted their red-check instead of mislynching me. Leads me to think it's fabricated

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait, he has a guilty on me? How the shit does that work, does maf have a framer?

[JacksonVirgo]

No, there is no mafia framer right? So they're fake or bluffed like I said, the shit is this?

[JacksonVirgo]

This is complete bs but eh, it's just a game I will calm down and stop being salty at the stupidity of this lynch

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay, so if newb!scum is true I understand why I am being lynched, I don't believe the red-check was on me as well so the teacher vote on me was likely because of the way I treated the red-checked player or it's a bluff. Fuz/Uncrowned are the only newb players that come to mind so check and get a read on them while I am in the afterlife lol

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait you're not supposed to talk during twilight right? Sorry, going dark

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah okay, well it's gonna flip VT lol. I can tell the future!

[JacksonVirgo]

Ducky, avenge me okay? Lol

[JacksonVirgo]

@FF is that legit?

[JacksonVirgo]

So my read was 100% correct? Yet you lynch me for it?

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh so I haven't been lynched yet?

[JacksonVirgo]

Uncrowned doesn't have many posts at all and their readlist is mediocre at best, but I can't say shiz on that behalf lol

Also why are you set on Fuz being town?

This could be somewhat of a bus? I guess?


UNVOTE: FormerFish

So my read on the bluff was correct, and what do you mean by info I shouldn't have had?

[JacksonVirgo]

List ripped from the alive list and removed all 'confirmed' people mainly the masons and myself.

Fuzanglong - Scum
Uncrowned - Scum
eth0s - Town
the worst - Town

If the scum insists of newb!scum it's Fuz and Uncrowned. And even I wouldn't have attacked bugspray as scum so I doubt the worst or eth0s would have but the other two may as well have.

[JacksonVirgo]

Hi Guys! I'm new (like completely new, I barely understand Mafia) and I joined mafiascum because I tried epicmafia and they banned me and were being mean lmao even though I told them that I was still learning :/ this seems like a more supportive environment to learn mafia
Anyway I am super overwhelmed by the 18 page forum for now and I will be as active as possible because I want to learn fast (but in hindsight I prob should've familiarized myself with the rules oops)
Please bear with me!

UNVOTE: teacher
I'm conflicted so im taking back whatever the person before me voted until i can get more info

I'm formulating some thoughts on who I think is scum but I think for sure it isn't teacher? But like what do i know lmao

How many scum am I supposed to assume there is?

Their whole ISO is practically "I am gathering a info"

[JacksonVirgo]

You asked me to keep posting but it's 12:30 am here in australia and I am tired as bazongapops, I hope sleeping doesn't re-add me to the scum-team

[JacksonVirgo]

Uncrowned doesn't have many posts at all and their readlist is mediocre at best, but I can't say shiz on that behalf lol

You said yourself that inactivity doesn't mean a slot should be pressured. Interesting you bring that up now.

And my readlist was at the beginning of the game and besides the incorrect read on Gyro I think has been somewhat accurate. Not sure what you're going for there.

I am just going to say that scum would know who the town are so you can't really lean on that as your saving grace.

[JacksonVirgo]

@uncrowned, who'd you put as your scum-team?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'll reply to any questions tomorrow, I've got to sleep

[JacksonVirgo]

@Uncrowned, you said you were in aus right? You'd know the time here then lol, yeah I don't have the brain power at the moment so Ima explain more in the morning.

[JacksonVirgo]

My reads thus far

Town Leans

Datisi

- Liked his slot when Salad was playing it. Unvoted me when fast wagon occured, seemed like a town play. Questions and digs for info in his posts.

FormerFish

- Aggressive townplay imo, made a good connection in post 118 between bugspray's former slot (Chib) and a past game they had played.

Teacher

- I like the logic behind post 102 with the whole idea of "how does this benefit town?". I'm leaning toward Teacher/Fish being a TvT situation.

Gardenia

- After reading back, I like post 150 - except for including Fish in the trio, since he voted Teacher way before back on Page 1. I believe the vote on me was when we started "redoing" the RVS.

Null

Jackson Virgo

- Would like to see more activity. Don't really like his assessment of my vote on Gyro in Post 222 but I don't think that means anything.

Bugspray

- I don't mind this slot, since Chib was at least attempting to get things to progress earlier in the game. Fish's point about this slot in post 118 is a good one, but I'm not certain it's scum indicative.

Scum Leans

Marionette

- Little input, random vote on Teacher seemed out of place. Admittedly, we were redoing the RVS, but Teacher had been one of the more active players up until that point, so voting him without saying anything is odd to me.

Gyro

- Don't like his votes (Teacher, Gardenia) nor his reasoning in Post 140. Seems like a reach. Would like more reads and depth from his posts. A majority of them aren't helpful to town imo.

JV, one question for ya when you're up if you don't mind: you mentioned this being mediocre, could you unpack that a little?

It was posted pretty early in the game so I can understand why it's not a strong, high probability of accuracy readlist for sure. But do you think it's underwhelming in a way that makes it fake, or is it equally/more likely to just come from someone trying their best at a point in the game where there's not enough content to have concrete reads?

Sorry if this sounds a little abstract (and I'm fully risking coming across as condescending here so if I am, just give me a book). So to speak, town wincon is to find and lynch mafia, not to systematically lynch players who are underwhelming/underperforming. Mafia can be found by their need to make shit up in a way which is designed to look towny; the way they manipulate the gamestate in order to make themselves / partners hard to lynch and townies easy to mislynch; etc.

So besides finding the readlist underwhelming. Do you think Uncrowned is doing scummy things or things which benefit scum wincon?

I want a check on this because I like Uncrowned's d2.


pedit: hold on do we have 3 Aussies here? the fuck

Okay so I am awake now and has a bit more brain juice than last night.

Like mine, I know that, his reads aren't really anything special and mainly they labeled obvious reads. I don't necessarily think that Uncrowned is scum, he's new I believe and is acting similar to how I have been (if I take away the salt lol). Fuz however I feel is scum.

Considering Uncrowned plays ToS and Ultimate Werewolf I assume they have deduction skills even at the very minor margin even if they haven't played FM before this.

However the read on Marionette (now fuz I believe) is telling me a bit but I won't add on to that just yet.

Did that answer the question at all?

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay so looking at the information given.

Masons:

Teacher + FormerFish

Confirmed Vanilla Townies:

(from my pov)

JV, bugspray (dead), gyro (dead)

All possible scum:

• Fuz
  
• Uncrowned
  
• Eth0s
  
• the worst

Uncrowned matches my thoughts

-uncrowed

the worst seems towny as heck with that hammer test thing

-the worst

Leaving Eth0s and Fuz in my current scumlist. It could very well be Fuz/Uncrowned but regardless Fuz is in both so Ima vote them.
VOTE: Fuzanglong

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait, did I just hammer that?

[JacksonVirgo]

Are you hammer testing me here?

Huh?

And yeah that's hammer right? 4 votes is majority

[JacksonVirgo]

ALIVE PLAYERS

JacksonVirgo - VT
Formerfish - Mason (teach)
Uncrowned - VT
Eth0s - VT
the worst- VT

DEAD PLAYERS

Teacher - Mason (FF)
Bugspray - VT
Gyro - VT
Fuz - VT

POSSIBLE SCUM

Uncrowned
Eth0s
the worst

SCUM-LIST:

Uncrowned, Eth0s

My thoughts is that if the worst was scum they would have gladly mislynched me over trying to get a read out of me by fake hammering me. So they're a straight town read for me, leaving Uncrowned and Eth0s the only possible scum from my pov. I believe that's the game-solve right there and it's LyLo right now isn't it?

[JacksonVirgo]

Yeah if you have a townread outside of Fishy you have a solve from your pov.

I'm not totally comfortable calling a townread - tentatively it's still JV for sure posting yesterday but I also had Uncrowned town yesterday. I'm Wrong on one of these and I owe this game some more effort.

If you're 50/50 of myself and uncrowned, you think Eth0s is scum yeah?

[JacksonVirgo]

This fits his playstyle this game, tbh. He's on the verge of making assertions, but he doesn't go all the way with it. There's a hint of passiveness and lack of conviction behind a lot of his thoughts, which gives me pause. An example of this is Post 817 where he lays out possibilities, but doesn't lean toward any of them.

To me, it's like he's throwing out bait and seeing if anyone will agree with it. This also fits with his voting, which has been sporadic. Votes, unvotes, and then ultimately, following the votes led by other players. With Gyro, it was me and Teacher who thought he would be the most profitable lynch. He followed.

With Fuz, he was the hammer vote. Granted, I haven't done a full VCA of everyone remaining, but he's had a tendency of putting votes onto the more vulnerable slots in the game and seeing if it has an impact. Gyro, Fuz, Bugspray, and Fish (prior to him being confirmed mason) were all players who were either under the spotlight in terms of attention, or were otherwise easy lynches (in his eyes, assuming I'm right and he's scum).

Let me explain what's been going on inside my head.
Regarding Post 817, I leaned towards the last option and I thought I made that obvious even without explicitly saying it but I guess not. I usually lay shit out like possibilities and options that may or may not be viable or not to see other reactions and base reads on that as well as how they make their reads etc. My vote was always on FF (as in I always intended to vote them back which I see why I shouldn't now but I didn't before) because I wanted to kind of pressure Gyro into answering the question they seemed to miss/avoid.

He did suggest I was bussing Fuz, so this is one of the more consistent things he's posted. What I'd like more explanation of is his post 920 where he found something interesting in my read on Marionette (Fuz's slot). I'm not entirely sure what he was getting at by attacking my reads list, since at that point my reads were mostly made up of points that no one else had touched upon.

What I'm trying to say is, bringing up the reads list just feels like a weak attempt to put me under some pressure, similar to how he did when he entered the game and put a vote on me for "voting someone up due to inactivity" (Gyro), which makes no sense considering he ended up voting on him as well, and then brought up my "inactivity" later in the game as a reason for me to be scum.

Is it just mistakes of a new player, or is it scum trying to put attention on another slot that is equally vulnerable? My gut tells me it's the latter.

Regarding the Marionette, I had the feeling at the time you were buddies so I tried baiting you to slip up somewhere but it didn't work so I really didn't have any interesting read there. Indeed it was a weak attempt at pushing for pressure. And I don't believe I brought up your inactivity explicitly and that would not be a reason for me scumreading you.

[JacksonVirgo]

Another thing before I do that, JV has mentioned Eth0s a handful of times in his ISO, but never given any real reasoning no matter whether he's listed him as town or scum in his book. If he thinks Eth0s is scum, there should be some actual reasoning behind it. Could easily just be another weak bus attempt to say "Hey, I had him on my scum team" if he does get lynched today and flips red.

I don't get why you'd list multiple times as being either alignment, and then giving zero reason as to why you believe so. Again, the passive playstyle just doesn't seem right for a player who has been so involved in the game.

For reference, the posts I'm looking at: 764 882 921

Regarding Eth0s I had no reason to not suspect him and thus town read them since they seemed to give a pretty decent list of reads etc but now it comes to 4/ now 3 unconfirmed town. PoE says they're scum from my pov

[JacksonVirgo]

@theworst Honestly, looking back on the hammer test I don't know if it's worth much. It seems like the perfect WIFOM (correct me if I'm using that term wrong) to clear his name with the use of some salt and AtE. It could come from the viewpoint of an exasperated townie pissed that they've been lynched, or a scum who recognized that they weren't lynched and saw it as an opportunity.

The coaching possibility from you via PT is a possibility, but highly unlikely from my current POV as I'm more centered on Eth0s atm than I am on you.

I'd much prefer to go off the other stuff I've mentioned, since to me it seems far more AI than the hammertest which imo is a 50/50.

I have no idea what WIFOM means.
Also Uncrowned are you saying it's {JV, Eth0s}?

[JacksonVirgo]

You talking about my inactivity was in post 879, that's what I was referencing.

And sure, PoE makes sense now, but prior to that is where it gets iffy.

You started with him as potential scum in Post 764 with no other thoughts on him.

Then in 882 you switched him over to town. Again, with no no explanation.

So your 931 is accounted for by PoE, but the others still aren't.

I will check those posts in a sec, but my other reads were mediocre at best as well. I have no real 'read' it was more of a lean because of the way they were acting after they replaced in but beforehand they seemed scummy and I've done the same with other people not just Eth0s. Probably should have said that explicitly even though I thought that's where everyone else's reads were at as well, guess not.

Now because apparently me not stating my mind is bad, my current pov (and assuming duckyboi is town), unc is using this to frame me. Again, could be wrong with duckyboi but from my pov that's what it is. May seem different from an outside pov as well.

[JacksonVirgo]

Read through my ISO and if you can point out the times I obviously set out read baits (no idea what they're called O.o) I will give you a high five

[JacksonVirgo]

Ah damn I missed a yoink moment :'c

[JacksonVirgo]

There's no framing going on, it's me looking at your inconsistencies and seeing what I can gather from them. Right now, they put you at the top of my list. The only real instance I've seen you actually give a decent reason for someone being scum is PoE, but that only works assuming that you're town, which I don't think you are atm.

Will reread your ISO now but I'm not sure what you want me to get out of your read baits. If just calling people town or scum with no backup behind your thoughts is a read bait in your mind then you're not helping out town. Maybe I'll find something more indicative this time around.

As far as I remember, you've had just as much accuracy with your reads and I will checkers that one now.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not criticizing your reads, man. I've been dead wrong on both of mine, them being Gyro and Fuz.

I'm pointing out the fact that you've swung from Point A to Point B numerous times with no rhyme or reason. It seems out of character for someone who at one stage of the game was set on FF being scum. The fact that you became so passive and swingy gives me reason to believe you're scum.

OH, I understand where you're coming from now I think. Now that it's LyLo I will probably stop trying to bait reads on people however as soon as that cop claim popped up I seriously read that as a bluff and thus I went on pretending it wasn't until FF started seriously pressuring me from my pov so I passively popped my read out and apparently it information I shouldn't of had but since they were pushing me it was goddamn obvious. Then that weird PR claim popped from ducky.

I've been swingy because I've been trying to get reads. My base reads have stayed the same majority of the time I feel, correct me if I am wrong

[JacksonVirgo]

Every read I've had, I've stuck to it and had reasons as to why I've felt that way. Wrong or not, they seemed agreed upon and in some cases followed up on by other players (including yourself). We need to be aggressive if we're going to find scum, and prior to this you've only showed aggression when defending yourself, and when targeting Fish.

The more I look back on it, the more it starts to make sense. You push on Fish because you thought he'd be easy to push on and other people will agree with you. You push hard, it doesn't work, no-one except for worst really seems to have even a slight bit of suspicion towards Fish, so you back off since you know it's not going to go through.

That's why you played more passive from that point on, talking in "maybes" and "I guesses" trying to keep yourself as a safe player, the only time you really started speaking out being when you've had people wagoning against you.

Now you're kicking into gear again because I've got the read on you and you're trying to find something to suggest otherwise. I'm starting to think I've got this figured out, though.

You're wrong about that read on myself -> fish read the last post I posted. And I've been focused on reading outside of posting as of late since it's getting close to LyLo (now is) and now is where I am stopping that because obviously it's putting suspicion on me for some god unknown reason

[JacksonVirgo]

Actually, I should probably stop letting my bias towards the worst make them locktown O.o yeesh

[JacksonVirgo]

Personally, I feel Eth0s is the safer lynch here.

[JacksonVirgo]

@Uncrowned you're also wrong on your reads, if you're scum that makes sense but if you're town you may want to reconsider if you wish to win (I also wish to win lol)

[JacksonVirgo]

You've literally town-read the scum the entire game essentially it seems, what an ooof if you're town lol

[JacksonVirgo]

And if you vote now, you're instantly in my lock-scum. Mafia can swing in and hammer and win, so don't be ballsy yet

[JacksonVirgo]

Who have I townread that is scum, are you saying? My strongest townreads were the worst's slot and Teacher, if I recall correctly.

You haven't scum-read or null-read anybody who is possibly scum right now (except me now I believe) meaning you're town-read every scum. Is that wrong? It was mainly a funny quip

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway, if you've got more reads/questions or anything post em and I'll get to em when I can. Gotta go for a bit

[JacksonVirgo]

I null-read you.

Also, in Posts 820 822 886 899 and 909 I tried to bring attention to Ethos and get him to answer my questions, but the phase ended and I got nothing out of it, and no-one else seemed to have any opinions on what I was saying at the time. I had suspicions on him, but I was more suspect of Fuz at the time. Like those posts have said, I'm STILL wondering why Ethos had these clear thoughts of Fuz being town, since that's an opinion that I think no-one else really shared at the time.

Personally, and I really shouldn't be posting at the moment lol, I am thinking that Eth0s is scum flat out and it's either yourself/the worst. I am going to go through the latter's ISO later tonight to see if anything flags me.

[JacksonVirgo]

For 971, No it's just I don't have time to fully read through everything right now, since year 12 final exams and that but now I can.
For that last one, if you think he's town then you instantly should view me as scum not a null. So what's up with that?

[JacksonVirgo]

Who have I townread that is scum, are you saying? My strongest townreads were the worst's slot and Teacher, if I recall correctly.

You haven't scum-read or null-read anybody who is possibly scum right now (except me now I believe) meaning you're town-read every scum. Is that wrong? It was mainly a funny quip

I thought you were talking about my original readlist here, not currently. Right now I don't have any null-reads.

Did you quote wrong?

Also why were you like "I think I got my reads now" or whatever when you already town-read worst? You would have scum reads on myself and Eth0s before then. What's up with that? Also why am I above Eth0s in your scumtree?

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm gonna probably write up a heap of waffling about ISOs as I go, on a scale of 1 to 10 how much spam would y'all like? (allowing 90%+ of it is really not worth responding to)

If 1 is no spam, 20

[JacksonVirgo]

@uncrowned, I'd like an answer to that by the way. Appreciated

[JacksonVirgo]

ok here's my trello password --

wot?

[JacksonVirgo]

Just what you said kinda raised a giant ass red flag in my face is all

[JacksonVirgo]

Like worse than how I already read you, if that makes sense. It does in my brain

[JacksonVirgo]

Okay, I'll word it like this. From your pov, you're town yes? And when you town-read duckyboi you're scum-reading the other two, yet when I started talking more THEN you started scum-reading me which is a giant ass red flag considering you already should be thinking of it that way.

[JacksonVirgo]

If you look from my pov, can you see it?

[JacksonVirgo]

I think we're confusing each other.
You didn't answer the other question though

Why is Eth0s under me in the scum ladder

[JacksonVirgo]

Wait, what haven't I addressed? I thought I responded to everything

[JacksonVirgo]

Ethos is less suspicious to me because he's done less suspicious things, I've already laid out various reasons as to why I think you're scum. I've also already said in recent posts what I thought made Ethos seem scum, but they're less prevalent than what you've done.

If you want a recap on what I think of Ethos, I basically want to know why he was so set on Fuz being a townie when pretty much no-one else in the game thought that of Fuz at the time. A scum would know she was town, is my logic behind that. And I don't think he had good reason to call her town since she hadn't really demonstrated townie behaviour imo.

He also hasn't replied to any of my other queries on him, which I don't like considering he had a pretty hot start and came out with a lot of reads, thoughts and theories.

Eth0s hasn't done that much at all, so I have no idea how you're comparing there honestly. I've explained exactly where my thoughts were at, and if you can explain how they are scummy that'd be great -_-.

Also Eth0s could've seen that as a likely mislynch and wanted to get town-cred possibly.

[JacksonVirgo]

Let me reread those posts soon, gotta eat fud

[JacksonVirgo]

You've voted: Me, Fish, Bugspray, Gyro, Fuz.

You weren't in the game during RVS, I believe. So these are all people you've at one point or another have had at least a SLIGHT feeling of them being scum, right?

Just going through and looking at different stages of the game, your base reads were:

1: Gyro/Bug with a chance of FF being part of a team. Post 373

Then you dipped into this thought were Teacher could be part of a scum team with Gyro, even though Teacher had voted Gyro D1 and saw him as a "profitable lynch" (his words). That's already an odd read to me since Teacher is an SE, doubt he'd bus D1. Not that it matters now since they're both dead and Teacher was Mason, but again, it leans into your whole playstyle of poking and prodding to see where you can sway people to make a lynch happen.

2: After they both died (Bug, Gyro), you had the back and forth with FF, no real base reads here to be seen yet.

3: Now your team changes to Fuz/Uncrowned in Post 882

4: Then you switch to Fuz/Eth0s in Post 921

5: And now you've got Me/Eth0s.

So no, I think I'm right in saying your reads have chopped and changed significantly over the course of the game. Being open-minded is cool, but from what I've seen from your play, yours seems more opportunistic and set on achieving mislynches.

Another point of interest here is that on every vote you've made except on Fish IIRC, there's already been other people voting on that player. Me, Bugspray, Gyro and Fuz all at one point or another had a lot of attention coming our way and had at least one or two votes set on us before you decided to jump in. Call it a frame if you want, I'm calling it as suspicious until I get more from worst and eth0s.

This post? I thought it was obvious how my reads were on you and Eth0s with some mixing of course because it's a dynamic game man, meaning my reads change with more information. Is that not allowed?

Woah, so you're scum if you don't start the wagon? Very big brain right there. You jumped on the Fuz wagon before me so I have no idea what you're meaning behind that.

[JacksonVirgo]

And you said almost nothing of relevance in response to my post 969, besides saying you were set on Ethos being scum.

Literally that means nothing since if you're scum you're obviously bussing

[JacksonVirgo]

Bussing is not the word, it's setting up a SvS

[JacksonVirgo]

No, as I laid out in my post, your reads have been jumping back and forth with various combinations, and my theory behind that is that you were looking to see what would stick. It's all in that post you just quoted, I think it was opportunism and going for mislynches that would be easy for you to pull off.

And no, scum can start a wagon, I'm just saying your voting throughout the game has been in line with my theory of you being opportunistic, that's all.

Did you not read what I said before? Jesus

[JacksonVirgo]

@uncrowned, did you not read the post where I explained that? You either didn't read it or are ignoring it

[JacksonVirgo]

My votes changed from yourself/x to Eth0s/x now Eth0s/Yourself.

[JacksonVirgo]

And you said almost nothing of relevance in response to my post 969, besides saying you were set on Ethos being scum.

Literally that means nothing since if you're scum you're obviously bussing

...I want you to listen to yourself.

As I've said multiple times, Ethos had almost NO attention on him during D2. I was one of the ONLY people who saw something in his posts that struck me as odd, so I brought it up.

And everyone, including yourself, virtually ignored it. And then? The phase ended.

Keep in mind that I also had no attention on myself, so why in the world would I decide to start a conflict and get put under the microscope?

Because clearly I had a suspicion on Ethos, and I was willing to get into conflict if it meant finding a scum. You calling this a SvS is a reach, and I just laid out why.

If that's the case and merging with my pov, you're saying Eth0s and worst is scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

In the case that what you say is true, and from my pov considering I am VT, it makes them both scum. Which I don't believe, which is why I scumread you. But it's hot and I don't feel like dealing with this right now, it's just going to stress me the shit out even more because I can just see Town lynching me because of stupid ass reasoning and ignoring the post which I literally explained why and then losing and if that happens I am blaming everything on everyone.

[JacksonVirgo]

I understand where you're coming from, give me a day and I'll write a list okay? I am just hot and bothered at the moment, hope you understand. Seeya

[JacksonVirgo]

Hey guys, sorry for being away - that earlier thing really killed my mood/motivation for the game :/ I'm gonna try and get back into it though since it looks like things are picking up.

Here's my reads!
townlean
- datisi (Saladman27); salad was lower for me, but your reads/comments boosted you higher! I get good vibes off of you and feel like you're genuinely trying to help out.
- teacher; has asked a lot of questions and done a lot to progress the game. I'm not sure about him but a townlean for now.
- Uncrowned; was eh before but I liked your recent posts!

null/??? people
- bugspray (Chibiie); Chibiie posted a lot I think, but looking back on it, not a lot of it was game related. As for bugspray, I don't have much to go on but would like to hear more about your me and fish being mafia theory? I don't get what you said in 250 (fingers crossed the link works)
- JacksonVirgo (MedicalCoke); basically got a clean slate since coke posted nothing. Hasn't said that much so far so idk.
- Formerfish; Don't know why he's so high on the recent lists? A wildcard for me.

Scumlean
- Gyro Zeppeli; Ok maybe closer to null based on your recent posts, but I kinda didn't like your "haha don't care"ness when you were asked questions earlier (dodging?)
- Marionette; The teacher vote was weird and we still don't have any explanation :/

I probably missed some things so I'm also gonna look through the thread and see if there's anything else I can reply to!

at a surface level I think this is a fairly bad look for eth0s regardless of partner in jv/uncrowned

I'm kinda trotting back and forth around page 10 atm because I have this weird feeling Uncrowned's posts might be townier than I'm giving them credit for at like a pure tone / face value level; pinkie promise I'm going to get back to trying to draw his alignment out of his ISO.

I will give my opinion on the other post soon, but notice how gard talked about Uncrowned like they're talkin' to him but not the others? Not sure if that means shiz, but yep

[JacksonVirgo]

Nevermin, they did it with Gyro too. Eh don't know

[JacksonVirgo]

DANG I missed another yoink moment

[JacksonVirgo]

Responses in green

Spoiler: location: inside of duck's head; subject: uncrowned part 1

I think a no lynch is a bad idea, I'd rather get as much info as we can out of the early stage of the game.

I'm putting my vote on someone who hasn't posted yet.

VOTE: Gyro Zeppeli

Also you're a JoJo character so you're already intimidating me, you stud you.

there's a few factors here which make me explicitly not-townread this rvs:
- the nolynch commentary is surface level NAI but also side-steps an invisible 'call to action'. gard did something incorrect at a policy level but not necessarily alignment indicative; rvs is a good opportunity to assign an asinine motivation to such things (e.g. "she is scum because she refuses to alienate people! *vote*" or "i think she's town because scum would try to go with the flow"
- there IS a vote here which is an opportunity to advance the gamestate but it's thrown down without wariness of the gamestate. the vote is also overqualified (i.e. "I'm putting my vote on someone who hasn't posted yet.") and comes with a cute/flirty comment. this kinda equal probability comes from someone who is just cute and flirty or a guilty conscience (a kind of unconscious apology for voting there)

never been great at finding scum in rvs but i'm >rand finding town in rvs
just kinda... flat-to-nullscum on the opener

This might have been my personal bias but I really dislike anybody who votes people just because they're not active, like they didn't vote up MedialCoke (my pred) when they literally have one post in their ISO. It might be because they're new to FM and usually silent people in their mafia games are usually scum and since this is a different type of game it could be their way of just jumping in? But I am not sure, that's just speculation with no real information backing it.

53 i don't like rqs (don't have much experience with it, normally i'm like "...mm ok?" and haven't really noticed any patterns with how scum/town answer certain things)
interesting takeaway is uncr being a ~kinda~ semi organised player i guess

I am assuming that RQS is random questions, and personally I don't see how you can base reads off that outside of figuring out how they work perhaps and then base your reads knowing how they are mentally? Probably worded that like a garbage truck but I assume you can infer what I am saying. Semi-organised could be from the social deduction games they've played earlier or outside help or neither, again you can't really base any reads off of this stuff I feel.

1: Fish's playstyle is interesting to me, aggressive town is something seen often, but by drawing attention to himself he could be letting his teammate fly under the radar (assuming he has one).

a part of me kinda likes the paranoid waffling here but don't think it's strongly AI

2: Read back a few pages. Teacher, you said you got a townlean from Gardenia. Why?

this makes me want to check uncrowned's gard/eth0s slot trajectory; did a ctrl+f and there's a lot of mentions. kinda might be noteworthy that he talks a lot about gard when she's a hot subject but not when people aren't talking about her. but then he talks quite a lot about eth0s so i don't think this is enough to be A Tell. at this point in uncr's ISO i'd actually have him s/s with JV before eth0s

134 i can kinda feel the wheels turning but i don't think the post really alignment tells; i didn't really like the gyro push d1 bc it was a little purposeless. nullread on gard persists, no trajectory on fishy as of yet

this could be a post sidestepping two people he KNOWS are town or it could be a towny who isn't really sure how to progress the game
checks out from either
i kinda have a policy for forming lazy reads of "if you can see it from a town pov without bending yourself into a pretzel, hey it's probably just town" - at that surface analytical level i could see this as town.

it's kinda worth noting at this point uncr is playing friendly to chib/salad and doesn't ~townread~ fishy but is also playing friendly to him; the gyro SR is pretty easy to have (I think he is scum because he is not helping) and he isn't engaging with gard or JV. he talks around gard a fair bit but it's indirect at the start of the game. using this as framing for the first readlist which i'll talk abt in a bit more length...

You should most definitely take into account the fact that I am scumreading and biased against Uncrowned at the moment, I mean that makes sense but some of my reads may be biased because of that. I personally see this as Uncr trying to get town-cred by not isolating themselves from their buddy but not too much as in it has people think they're buddying up.

I wanted to see your reasoning since I've got Gardenia still in my "null" category for now, at the time I hadn't really noticed anything from her that pointed me in either direction, personally.

As for your answer, it's okay. The reasoning makes sense, but I feel like the vote on Fish is the easiest one to make at the moment, since he's been the most aggressive player thus far.

this is like, worth reading but i don't think AI
will circle back when discussing the readlist

226 defensive tonality and still slowmoving; again could really come from either of {scum not sure how to move, town still tryna sink his teeth in}

Sure. Usually I hesitate to jump on the person who is being the "loudest in the room" as I feel like it's the obvious choice, especially for people who COULD be evil as the louder people are more likely to toss out accusations and make themselves appear more guilty in the process. However, most of my experiences with these aggressive types in other social deduction games is they've usually been either town trying to catch people slipping, or they're a jester (obviously this role list doesn't include that, so that's not a worry here)

However, I want to keep my mind open to the possibility of FF being a distraction for someone else assuming he has one. I see my mistake though, since the only way we'd even be able to figure that out would be via a lynch. Sitting on the fence in that scenario doesn't really make sense. I was hesitant to push since I'm not sure how that sort of thing plays out here. I'll commit to reading FF as an aggressive townie, rather than a scum at this stage.

And you're right, it is a bit odd. My only logic behind it is that Gardenia had been given a TL by two people I believe at that point (Teacher and Salad, who was in your slot before) whereas I had been read as null at that point and hadn't really been asked for my opinions. I'm starting to understand now that it'll be more helpful if I take an actual stance on things instead of waiting for others to do so.

Sure

this post kinda does two things;
firstly: uncrowned is called to evaluate his reads on fishy and gard.
secondly: the stance that pushing fishy as the noisy player was the "easy" thing to do - i actually found fishy's earlygame pretty scummy. it's totally possible this comes from a mindset which is itself nervous to push fishy but equally possible it's just a newbie to forum mafia.

They keep bringing up their null read, like it's a null read you wouldn't need to push on that as much as he seemed to have done at this point. He also hesitates to jump onto the noisiest person in the room but has no qualms about jumping onto the quietest. I see this as they're scared to full town-read their buddy because if they end up being scum pressure could be on him. In games they claim to play, it's usually best to distance yourself from your buddy and maybe that's what he's doing here.

readlist incoming:

My reads thus far

just a synopsis of thoughts:

my slot

- agree salad/datisi did a good job of propelling the game; this is fine/doesn't feel opportunistic or pockety

fishy

- i actually pegged this read for a partner when i was tunnelling fishy :/ the post in question is mason distancing; i didn't really get "aggressive townplay" but as mentioned just now i'm not really sure how i'd feel if i was a newbie in this game

teacher

- 102 is kinda towny on a policy/surface level; i'd actually call the "teacher/fish being a tvt" comment as a crumb he spotted the mason thing but i don't really get the impression he did

gardenia

- this read isn't telling me a lot... uncr sat firmly null on gard until called to action and others explained why they were townreading gard, but the readlist indicates he's felt the need to evaluate the slot firsthand (rather than just sheeping their reads). the qualifier around including fishy in the trio and just the language around "I believe the vote on me was when we started 'redoing' the RVS." might be kind of unintended distancing language but not a strong feeling vs. rest of his iso

JV

- policy level i LOVE jv pushing someone for pushing low activity! i don't expect uncr to like it tho; there isn't really a read on this slot. i feel like the jv post he talks about probably could have invoked some more energy if uncr was being pushed incorrectly. maybe

bugspray

- this nullread is fine

Marionette

- it is an interesting standard that mari is scum for randomvoting teacher but gard is town in spite of randomvoting uncr. ultimately i do agree the vote was kinda offbeat tho.

Gyro

- i don't think gyro really got a fair run d1 but i think i need to accept that the towntell i saw was pretty abstract, and that it's totally fair for town to make this misread.

You practically hit what I was thinking, also the green in the quote below is not me lol

from a wagonomics pov ultimate lynch wagon had 3+ town on it including the mason duo;

Gyro Zeppeli (5) - Uncrowned,

teacher

, JacksonVirgo,

Fuzanlong

,

Formerfish

so don't have a strong feeling on whether this read was opportunistic or not

Honestly, they've been throwing shade at me for voting on that yet 1. they voted first and 2. it was a town majority vote as you picke dup

this is one of those things the wiki tells us to never post but it's on my mind SO
if i was scum with anyone but uncrowned i think i'd be setting up an uncrowned/eth0s scumteam for the mislynch
the way his read on gardenia is sitting null until he's called to action on it and then pivots to a somewhat overqualified townread just looks v convenient if we operate in hindsight and if JV is town
that being said i don't actually really think the trajectory is super scum indicative; i can also attribute town motive to it so aorn i don't feel like i have a smoking gun

Does the wiki tell you not to provide examples of you being scum or? Because I thought it was fine so you could show perspective or something. I am indeed town and yes, it looks convinient and I still feel that he's trying to distance himself from his buddy but not too much and is now pushing on their buddy since it's LyLo. Could be wrong, but that would mean duckyboi is scum and that makes me sad.

while i'm typing this i'm realising JV who i was hoping to talk to about it has gone afk; fishy still awol; i'll do some housework & resume ISO later.
i'm kinda hoping for a clear or a smoking gun or a partner clear. i kinda want to clear JV/uncr off the last couple of pages but i want to do more work on this. tl;dr working on the first ~10 pages i don't think uncr has strongly alignment told.

I am here to talk about it, might not respond immediately considering I have a massive ass headache right now that popped out of nowhere :c Make sure to check Eth0s and my ISOs as well if you want a good well-rounded reads since everyone is town-reading you currently and Fishyboi is confirmed you are the people making the choices which I am not particularly happy about because it's stressing me the shit out.

uncr if you feel i'm misrepresenting or misunderstanding anything pertinent, please chime in; if it's just playstyle/general mafia theory stuff just maybe have a think about whether it'll help sorting you or whether it's better to wait til endgame

if you're unsure i'd rather have the conversation than not have it

[JacksonVirgo]

she did the same for gyro and i

Yeah I took it back after realising

[JacksonVirgo]

Also, Gardenia's readlist there was the same one I was referring to when JV was calling my list mediocre. I'm not sure why he referenced mine and tried to use it against me when I feel like Gardenia's was of similar quality, seemed weird to me that they would ignore that and go straight for mine.

I was looking through your ISO when I saw it boo

[JacksonVirgo]

What does IIRC mean?

[JacksonVirgo]

And I never voted for the sole reason of them being quiet like you did D1 @uncr

And thanks duckyboi

[JacksonVirgo]

Oh thanks too uncr

[JacksonVirgo]

Hi everyone, first timer. Let's see how this plays out.

I think a no lynch is a bad idea, I'd rather get as much info as we can out of the early stage of the game.

I'm putting my vote on someone who hasn't posted yet.

VOTE: Gyro Zeppeli

Also you're a JoJo character so you're already intimidating me, you stud you.

Um, you literally said that it's because they haven't posted. Am I misunderstanding again?

[JacksonVirgo]

Just checked Fuz ISO and I think I would have struggled if she hit f5; she didn't really engage with Uncr on any of the questions, her read on Eth0s could have come from s/s pretty easily; she never mentioned JV. Perfect partner equity with 3/3 slots.

A part of me wants to ask Uncrowned why he voted Fuz. His read trajectory checks out. Another part of me wants to ask JV why they voted Fuz. They explained it with the vote and (apparently?) accidentally hammered early. We probably could have let the phase run a little longer but I kinda agree with Fishy's take there; always hammer the "lol u can't prove I'm scum lol haha lol prove it" posts esp. when they haven't like really played in earnest

I'm actually getting slightly upset that Gyro was lynched d1 the more I reread d1 that was a lazy town ISO but it was town and often those players try to get spicy later in the game (see: me in large theme games) THANKS FOR LISTENING

I voted Fuz mainly because they said they'd vote themselves which was weird, and I didn't realize it was hammer so quick.

I am seriously losing motivation for this game and I feel that I might as well just vote up Eth0s or Uncrowned because they're practically lock-scum to me and there is little doubt in my mind that it will change.

[JacksonVirgo]

Sorry if I'm seeming like a dick in the above post, I'm just getting kinda frustrated since I feel like I've touched on this stuff, and people have already gotten on me for being "over-explainy" so repeating myself is leaning back into that. Oh well.

I'm the same yet you kept ignoring the post in which I feel I explained it quite well

[JacksonVirgo]

Gyro Zeppeli - doesn't give a fuck how he's perceived which gives me a bit of pause. mentality is probably town tho. fwiw I've found his posts heavily relatable and think they probably come from a solving mindset who isn't super invested/doesn't feel the need to be townread, rather than a scum mindset who wants to force an agenda but post little enough that he's not mislynched. his takes haven't been popular. they've gone against the grain. but ngl they've aligned more with how I've been seeing things. looks like a dude who's been spending more time looking for scum than sitting on the thread tryna be townread; this is prolly town most of the time.

Actually rq either of you have any feelings about this? I'm being vain ik but I thought it was a p hot take and no one really reevaluated Gyro's alignment at all late d1


pedit: I'm aware your ISO already explains it. I just said your ISO explains it. :< I'm trying my best ok !!!! the scum in {you, jv} has played well and hasn't been put into a position where they've kinda been 'exposed' so I'm trying my best to work with what we got!

I don't know what feelings I am supposed to have for that quote.

[JacksonVirgo]

@JV, understand motivation is tough. Sorry for putting you through the ringer. I can tell from your posting today that you've settled on Uncr/Eth0s and there's actually really not much you're saying that doesn't 'make sense'; it's just that I want to cross my ts and dot my is.

if you're feeling burned out engaging with Uncrowned, if/when you have time, would you mind throwing down some thoughts on the gardenia/Eth0s slot? I'm kinda starting to form a pretty strong read on it via rereading in Uncrowned's ISO and I'd be interested to see where your head is.

I am going to try and get some rest, take some pills for my headache and calm down. I will likely get back to you around midday tomorrow, just please don't vote until I get back. Because regardless if you trust me or not, a hammer without me is a scum's hammer considering this is LyLo.

Also what you said about Gyro was actually pretty accurate, and in hindsight that should have been an obvious mislynch but it seemed to everybody as a safe lynch and we missed that and popped em anyway.

[JacksonVirgo]

I'm not criticizing your reads, man. I've been dead wrong on both of mine, them being Gyro and Fuz.

I'm pointing out the fact that you've swung from Point A to Point B numerous times with no rhyme or reason. It seems out of character for someone who at one stage of the game was set on FF being scum. The fact that you became so passive and swingy gives me reason to believe you're scum.

OH, I understand where you're coming from now I think. Now that it's LyLo I will probably stop trying to bait reads on people however as soon as that cop claim popped up I seriously read that as a bluff and thus I went on pretending it wasn't until FF started seriously pressuring me from my pov so I passively popped my read out and apparently it information I shouldn't of had but since they were pushing me it was goddamn obvious. Then that weird PR claim popped from ducky.

I've been swingy because I've been trying to get reads. My base reads have stayed the same majority of the time I feel, correct me if I am wrong

Regarding the swinginess of my votes, this was my reasoning I believe. I didn't actually read it through properly so I might have quoted the wrong thing but I am tired so I am going to sleep. If you have any questions, just post 'em and I will get to them in one fell swoop if I can.

[JacksonVirgo]

The base reads were at the beginning FF, until the mason drop and now it's been consistently yourself and Eth0s maybe with some change here and there because it's a dynamic game. But I have indeed said this already so yep..



Nightio, hope you both have a good night.

[JacksonVirgo]

Won't be able to post much at all this afternoon/tomorrow because of graduation and formal (prom if you call it that), apologies.

[JacksonVirgo]

Since I won't be very active, can I vote on one of the lock-scum from my pov? If it gets lolhammered, it's going to flip scum anyway so I don't see the problem with it. It's just if I am not active before the day ends, it's a scum vote that's happening.

[JacksonVirgo]

Anyway, leaving for formal now. Wish me luck lol.
I'll be back around 11pm if there's anything new that pops up in what seems like a dead game

[JacksonVirgo]

I don't want Uncrowned lynched, simply because when they flip scum eth0s will instantly suggest that Uncrowned/JV scumteam and ew
VOTE: Eth0s

[JacksonVirgo]

I guess it would be the same, uncrowned will suggest an Eth0s JV scumteam so it literally does not matter. Uncrowned and Eth0s are scum and that's that.
Formal ended up perfect by the way lol, it's practically midnight so I am off to sleep. If by that small iddy bitty chance that Eth0s is town and scum hammers there. I sincerely apologise but that's incredibly doubtful since that'd mean duckyboi is scum.

[JacksonVirgo]

Why's that? Are you saying Uncrowned and Ducky are scum and will hammer you?

[JacksonVirgo]

weirdly overly defensive and could point to JV wanting the bugs nk

You claim I am experienced therefore scum, then say that I was newb and killed someone which would frame me, very big brained.

if scum!JV the plan seems pretty blatant at this point. kill bugs and try to get a back to back teacher/FF mislynch/claim. idk maybe it's the wording that bothers me here but it seems like JV is very careful about saying who they want to lynch.

Except I am not scum, therefore this logic falls through.

it kinda looks like JV has been trying to slide by doing scummy things as a newbie. If they're experienced that just strengthens my thoughts there.

If you're saying I am experienced therefore I am scum because x, your previous point contradicts it because scum!me wouldn't kill bugs as they were an easy as shit mislynch material.

so this is a problem when FF does it but not when uncrowned has been overly defending himself all game?

-_- no comment because this is dumb

so when did it occur to you that FF was likely a mason? because going from "I reread your ISO and saw nothing important" to this implies you had already considered that and were pushing him as scum regardless to try and force a claim.

I didn't know they were mason, I had a read that it was a fake claim or a bluff by the cop and that FF would be a confirmable role, I didn't say shit about knowing they were masons so this falls through once again.

faking thinking that you're hammered and "VT slipping" then acting like you didn't know you just hammered are two things I do as scum. I just don't understand how you can do both of these things and be town

It's called being in exam block, then graduating, then formal. I've been busy so I haven't had full brain power in this game so if you're going to use that as mislynch material, screw off.

[JacksonVirgo]

would be a confirmable role or faking a confirmable role*

[JacksonVirgo]

I mean it's certainly possible. Or you're scum and one of them is your partner.

I understand I haven't been very active at all, and that's my fault but voting me so quickly could lead to an insta lose if you're actually town.

Okay, so if I am scum with Uncrowned or Duckyboi, voting you straight up won't do shit because Town won't hammer it without information.
From my pov, you're lock scum and voting you is safe.

[JacksonVirgo]

Also you're scumleaning in LyLo? Have you got no scumreads at all? Sounds legit

Also, it is a frame by you and Uncrowned whether intentional or accidental. You both are bringing up that one thing against me even though Uncrowned is claiming you both are on opposing sides.

From my point of view, Ducky is town and thus Uncrowned and yourself are scum and are framing me. In addition, if you look from Duckyboi's point of view, in which I townread, at the very minimum, one of you two (Uncrowed, Eth0s) are scum. Whether with each other or with me, yet you both practically have the same reads against me and not with each other, seems very very interesting don't you think?

[JacksonVirgo]

I didn't say shit about knowing they were masons so this falls through once again.

JV, care to join fuzzy on the readslist assignment, and also answer this?

So I’m your mind there is a legit possibility I outted myself as cop (a claim that gets countered in every single setup) with an inno just for the giggles?

I'll get to the readlist after my exam in half an hour, but I think there is a possibility that you as a Mason or similar said that to gain reads or the like but then are easily able to confirm otherwise so you're not mislynched. I should probably have elaborated that earlier but oh well.

?

Yeah, that's called trying to read people to get information since town was either fake-claiming or bluffing.

[JacksonVirgo]

Regardless, my vote is staying because I will have no other chance to vote pretty much an thus any lynch will be a scum lynch. I have said this twice before I believe. Anyway it's almost 1 in the morning, I am sleeping. Night y'all

[JacksonVirgo]

Wow, I try and sleep and you drop that.
You locktown them but don't scumread me and uncrowned. Nice slip

[JacksonVirgo]

What the heck are you scumleaning and whatever N/S means'ing for?
Town should be smart, but if they're not. Shame lol


Night for real, Town feel free to hammer Eth0s they're lockscum

[JacksonVirgo]

Can't sleep lol

(I acknowledge my overall play here has been subpar as I haven't been able to dedicate much time the last week or so)

You call bs on my AtE or whatever yet you do the same, noice.

In addition, I am confident I've solved the game

[JacksonVirgo]

weirdly overly defensive and could point to JV wanting the bugs nk

You claim I am experienced therefore scum, then say that I was newb and killed someone which would frame me, very big brained.

What? no I'm saying you fit the bill for either of the motivations to kill bugs that have been brought up.

If newb!scum then simply made the kill because you thought it was a good one.

If experienced!scum then made the kill to frame FF.

experienced!scum wouldn't have killed them to begin with if they weren't aiming to frame.

I really hate using info like that to break the game but like. It just doesn't make sense that scum could receive game compromising info in this setup. Ducky conftown and JV and unc confscum!

Wow, I try and sleep and you drop that.
You locktown them but don't scumread me and uncrowned. Nice slip

I literally JUST noticed and pointed out that ducky is conftown. you want me to go back and edit my posts. Yeah sorry about your luck but you guys are caught. Nice early vote LOL

VOTE: JV ez

You're faking confidence, just like you said I was. Nice exclamation mark in the first, nice capitals and the inclusion of 'LOL' for the second and nice 'ez' for the third.

[JacksonVirgo]

Can't sleep lol

(I acknowledge my overall play here has been subpar as I haven't been able to dedicate much time the last week or so)

You call bs on my AtE or whatever yet you do the same, noice.

In addition, I am confident I've solved the game

The difference is that I am pointing out that I'm aware of it before I get dogged on for it, whereas you assumed that I was supposed to know about all of your IRL things and take them into account when I called your actions scummy. I'm not using it as a defense, in fact it doesn't even matter at all except personal context. Because my point is that the product was potentially underwhelming, but you didn't know that when you voted me.

You just voted me because you knew I was about to scumcase you because I accidentally submitted a piece early. It's pretty fkin obvious.

You were using the fact that I was missing some details and was 'faking' the hammer test or whatever when I've literally been rush reading because of how busy I've been and I say this and you call it an shitty scum AtE attempt and as soon as you give a reason for not being active often and I call that out (like you called me out), I am just wrong. Seriously?

[JacksonVirgo]

This is literally the same shit over again but with you instead of Uncrowned. I don't need this useless stress fighting with lockscum so they can bait a misplay and use that against me to mislynch so I will likely just try and sleep

[JacksonVirgo]

like why would I have to fake any confidence whenever I just realized the person that quickvoted me in LYLO is CONFIRMED SCUM?!

p-edit

Can't sleep lol

(I acknowledge my overall play here has been subpar as I haven't been able to dedicate much time the last week or so)

You call bs on my AtE or whatever yet you do the same, noice.

In addition, I am confident I've solved the game

The difference is that I am pointing out that I'm aware of it before I get dogged on for it, whereas you assumed that I was supposed to know about all of your IRL things and take them into account when I called your actions scummy. I'm not using it as a defense, in fact it doesn't even matter at all except personal context. Because my point is that the product was potentially underwhelming, but you didn't know that when you voted me.

You just voted me because you knew I was about to scumcase you because I accidentally submitted a piece early. It's pretty fkin obvious.

You were using the fact that I was missing some details and was 'faking' the hammer test or whatever when I've literally been rush reading because of how busy I've been and I say this and you call it an shitty scum AtE attempt and as soon as you give a reason for not being active often and I call that out (like you called me out), I am just wrong. Seriously?

you gave me the reasoning AFTER the fact. Like you said that I was attacking your play knowing that your personal life had been crazy when I did not know that. There's a difference here you're seeming to intentionally overlook.

I believe I've said it multiple times that I will likely not be able to post because of graduation and everything, so if you were reading my ISO properly you would have seen that

[JacksonVirgo]

Just realised you voted me before this, so that last vote was useless

[JacksonVirgo]

You were using the fact which I didn't see that it wasn't hammered, I didn't realise that there were already three votes on fuz and (I forget the last one) and I gave you the reasoning behind that and you threw that away, mainly because you're trying to make me look as scummy as possible I bet.

[JacksonVirgo]

@ducky, I am looking at every possibility including you being scum but I don't see it right now especially when you're being globally townread (not sure how FF feels about you but the way they address you makes me feel they do as well)

[JacksonVirgo]

Reading off and on during the day. I wanna do a vca because I think with 4 dead townies we should be able to see some shit there.

I wanna reread the whole thread when I get done catching up because e it seems like there are clear lines being drawn right now and I wonder how far back those lines go.

How brave, reading through it

all

again seems tedious as crappers

[JacksonVirgo]

I will check this regularly but I won't be adding much else unless something new pops up because I am fairly sure you all know where I stand