Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Gentleman 4]

Hey noobs what’s shaking

[Gentleman 4]

O hey I missed completely that I am IC. lol

I guess I’ll townread this

[Gentleman 4]

Can we ask people to dance yet. bc like I am keen to do it early and do most of my reading under an assumed masons idea.

Nou

[Gentleman 4]

O hey I missed completely that I am IC. lol

I guess I’ll townread this

really?

It was a hard decision but I am sticking to it

[Gentleman 4]

I like lady 9s avatar
Therefore lady 9 is town


Am I doing this right?

[Gentleman 4]

I don't think that you need post by post progression on reads that you have before a game reaches page 9.

Regarding 203, fine. I'll go do something else.

Stick around and have some drinks

[Gentleman 4]

I wouldn't care so much at this stage of the game but L9 is shaping up to be de facto town leader and she's townreading my early scumreads and that makes me sad.
I also think that the misrep on me to "having reads too early" is super, super scummy.

But I will go do other things.

I’ll vote you townleader if that will put a smile on ur face bae

[Gentleman 4]

I'm not a town leader type.

Okay I’ll be town leader and u can be my assistant

[Gentleman 4]

I'm not a town leader type.

Okay I’ll be town leader and u can be my assistant

You shall be our fearsome, intimidating town leader.

All hail Gentleman four!

My platform shall be:

Scum are bad.
Let’s get rid of them.


Vote gentlemen 4 for a brighter tomorrow, tomorrow

[Gentleman 4]

VOTE: Gent 4

Thank you for your support citizen

[Gentleman 4]

First order of business:

I am buying this town a pizza!!!!


What you want on your pizza?
If any of you say anchovies you might as well claim scum now

[Gentleman 4]

Ohhhhhh I wanna dance with somebody

I wanna feel the heat with somebody

Spicey

Want to dance with leader of the town miss lady 3?

[Gentleman 4]

Ohhhhhh I wanna dance with somebody

I wanna feel the heat with somebody

Spicey

Want to dance with leader of the town miss lady 3?

2nd time is charm

Let’s boogie lady 3

[Gentleman 4]

I messed that up three times.

dance with me lady 3

[Gentleman 4]

I actually get good vibes from Gent 4 too but that isn't based on anything concrete.

Why would I be made up of concrete?
I am obviously made of JUSTICE.
Which tastes like cinnamon, idk why

[Gentleman 4]

If I’m being honest.
I like Gentleman 3 the most so far.

Your honesty is appreciated

[Gentleman 4]

But ur wrong btw
Gentleman 6 is best

[Gentleman 4]

Alas. Even anonymous, I am doomed to be controversial at best.

Embrace it and it can never harm you

[Gentleman 4]

I messed that up three times.

dance with me lady 3

Don't accept that yet

Let her make her own choices, you ain’t her daddy

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 7 is... ok a best

Your face is okay at best!

Haha

Gottem

[Gentleman 4]

Have some fun buddy

[Gentleman 4]

F

[Gentleman 4]

The only way to not alt slip is to become the alt

[Gentleman 4]

I am the man formerly known as gentleman 4

You can call me Rick though

[Gentleman 4]

I like L7.

Ask her out buddy

[Gentleman 4]

This game is going to be a massacre of people I wanted to play with outing themselves and probably getting replaced by randos.

What if ur next though

[Gentleman 4]

Would you believe that I went to the first post for a playerlist to think about who my strongest townreads are? It wasn't very helpful.

Just Lady 9 and Lady 5 for me, maybe Lady 2. I'm surprised that you find this exercise helpful in developing your own reads, though.

You can townread me.
I won’t even charge you for it

[Gentleman 4]

When is my date gonna return?

I need my First Lady or else how will I become president
No single man has ever been voted president

[Gentleman 4]

We are all dannflor

[Gentleman 4]

No single man has ever been voted president

What are you talking about? Buchanan was a bachelor.

Woah

You learn something new as they say

[Gentleman 4]

Add lady 1 to the list of wood.

uh what

do you want me to write more casually or

No! I want you to do you.

Aww, how sweet. Ok then, so what are your townreads, and do you think a strategy of pairing first within consensus townreads is a good idea?

Sweetness is a scum tell. Be wary

[Gentleman 4]

I think optimal way to play is pair with someone you town read because towns lose from leaving the dance

Hey girl did you throw that pokeball at me because I think I am caught

[Gentleman 4]

On a more serious note gentleman 6 and Lady 9 are town and this is not very controversial
I will report back when I have some controversial takes

[Gentleman 4]

Why do you town read me?

I don’t, I just like your style

[Gentleman 4]

Or a halo.

I am gonna call you Eureka

[Gentleman 4]

We have to have nicknames for people all these L2/G5 feels like I am playing a chess game

You all can call me Rick
Lady 7 is Eureka
Lady 3 is Misty
Lady 9 is Robin
Gentleman 6 is Harry

[Gentleman 4]

I was more trying to figure out why you would do that?

I did it too ftr. Was curious and antsy for the game to start.

You can be Link

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 4 is Carol
Lady 2 is Zatanna

[Gentleman 4]

Harry you need to relax

[Gentleman 4]

I have a confident meta townread on Gentleman 8 as well.

Gentleman 8 hasn't even posted.

[Gentleman 4]

Link, what do you want on the town pizza?

[Gentleman 4]

You act like I'm the first person on MafiaScum to say that I'm no longer sure if someone is scum or not without an investigative result. It's not uncommon to use this phrasing without literally thinking someone is for sure, beyond reconsideration, scum.

You are special Harry.

Some say you might be a wizard.

[Gentleman 4]

Or a unit of power.

[Gentleman 4]

I'm a watt?

[Gentleman 4]

I'm partial to mushrooms.

Mushrooms are definitley not up their on my favorite pizza toppings. But alright.

As long as we can have some onions as well.

[Gentleman 4]

Harry, do you think this line of questioning is useful?

[Gentleman 4]

I don't disagree with you that it is common phrasing, I just think by reading your posts this isn't gonna be useful area to go into because it doesn't actually observe the mindset of Link instead just seems like you are trying to win brownie points for being right about something.

[Gentleman 4]

I fail to see how going into that questioning will yield a town or scum mindset tbh.

[Gentleman 4]

Just seems like your overreacting to some bad questioning from Link rn. Maybe you are right and he is scum, I just think its a bit too early to go pitbull if you know what I am saying Harry.

[Gentleman 4]

Who hasn't posted yet and who needs a nickname?

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 1 is Malala
Gent 5 is Izaya
Lady 8 is Kitten
Gent 7 is Winston
Lady 5 is Dawn

[Gentleman 4]

Spoiler: Full names and Nicknames

Gentleman 1
Gentleman 2 - Tom Riddle
Gentleman 3 - Link
Gentleman 4 - Rick
Gentleman 5 - Izaya
Gentleman 6 - Harry
Gentleman 7 - Winston
Gentleman 8

Lady 1 - Mala
Lady 2 - Zatanna
Lady 3 - Misty
Lady 4 - Carol
Lady 5 - Dawn
Lady 6
Lady 7 - Eureka
Lady 8 - Kitten
Lady 9 - Robin

This was important.

[Gentleman 4]

I only townread Harry and Robin.

Also tom riddle but that one is obvious.
I am trying to court miss misty. Who is making me wait an awfully long time.

The rest of you need to town it up, thank you. This has been an official message from president rick.

[Gentleman 4]

Whats up O'Donnell

[Gentleman 4]

Lady Cuteness Hierarchy

9 = 8 > 3 = 7 > 4 > 1 > 2

My girl misty is the cutest. Don't make me fite you Harry

[Gentleman 4]

We have to have nicknames for people all these L2/G5 feels like I am playing a chess game

You all can call me Rick
Lady 7 is Eureka
Lady 3 is Misty
Lady 9 is Robin
Gentleman 6 is Harry

They need to be clearly connected to the avatars or they're counterproductive

Carol they are all avatar connected

[Gentleman 4]

Well Tom Riddle isn't avatar connected but the rest are.

[Gentleman 4]

Well I don't get some of them, so it's just making it hard for me to decipher your posts!

You could just repeat them until it sticks.

[Gentleman 4]

Wheres homegirl Robin at?

[Gentleman 4]

Wheres homegirl Robin at?

[Gentleman 4]

Kinda wanted to hook up with Wolf but now he's all up in here pushing directions that feel pointless to me.

I ship it.

[Gentleman 4]

O'Donnell is just going in guns blazin. I like this dude.

[Gentleman 4]

Because we don't want to waste a lynch on a pairing with a confirmed town slot.

IC pair almost always gets killed. We don't need to worry about it

[Gentleman 4]

My beloved misty still hasn’t accepted my invitation. I am feeling what can only be described as teen angst

[Gentleman 4]

Fashionably late of course, friends. I do say, this shall be a splendid affair. Absolutely spiffing!

Hi Michael

[Gentleman 4]

My beloved misty still hasn’t accepted my invitation. I am feeling what can only be described as teen angst

Give her a water Pokemon!
She is usually accepting of people who do that.

I shall give her my prized tododile

[Gentleman 4]

To be honest I want to pair with L9 for reasons that aren't really related to mathematically optimizing the setup. I think it's probably a suboptimal pairing, but I don't really care.

mafiascumdating.net

Robin and Harry would be cute together

[Gentleman 4]

F

[Gentleman 4]

Yo Doggo, why do you want me paired with Malala? Why not with Misty?

[Gentleman 4]

I'd like Gentleman 4's next post to be whether he still wants to dance with me.

You're still as beautiful as the rising sun, but alas, the moon must disappear before he can back in her beauty once again, and such it shall be time before I can be here again. Of what I know and have seen of the world, you shine quite brilliantly, but I have not seen but you, yet, and some dilemma is this: should you still want to dance with me, I fear I would not want to dance with you, for in such time you would seem overeager (knowing, for my part, that I am still young and naive, and will not face the world for until another day has passed). Yet, if the opposite is true, in turn, to dance with you would be my greatest pleasure. For there is no love like the one unrequited. For this reason, I think it best that we wait a time, and then when I come back in a days time, I shall give you a definite answer.

-Four

[Gentleman 4]

In that I fear my jealousy ever apparent , of that I have seen I fear you with another man, Lady Three, and the fear that none shall be to me as thee grips the heart inside of me. Knowing not of what they want I ask only this of your thoughts: that for until the day has come to pass, you shall not entertain another ask.

[Gentleman 4]

I read Dawn's posts while pretending the smileys weren't there and I now like them. Also, this is weak but don't think using them is a quality scum tactic at first glance. It's bound to rub some the wrong way.

Should I desire to sway the tide without knowing quite why it rides, I would use words like the woman here, who holds Lady 5 a bit too dear.

[Gentleman 4]

I read Dawn's posts while pretending the smileys weren't there and I now like them. Also, this is weak but don't think using them is a quality scum tactic at first glance. It's bound to rub some the wrong way.

People care about smiley use?

The use of smileys isn’t alignment indicative. That wasn’t even part of the critique.

Maybe not deliberately, but yes, I think small things like that affect people. I also think that avatars play into reads on a subconscious level.

At least one person mentioned it.

I would think the smiley's would be a pre-decided roleplay quirk regardless of alignment. The potentially AI part was the asking if the quirk bothered anyone.

Possibly. And I can see the latter as appeasing.

The more significant part of 75 was that I think their posts are town aside from this issue anyhow.

Of what, at this point, did the lady see, that made her think of 5 as clean?

[Gentleman 4]

I'm confused as to why you townread Lady 4 because I think she's been the only person I outright scumread so far.

Of one mind, you and I, but where are all the others?

[Gentleman 4]

I'm confused as to why you townread Lady 4 because I think she's been the only person I outright scumread so far.

Despite her overly conciliatory posting earlier, she's going against the grain on the Lady 5 read in a way that reads genuine to me. Also, snark in #68. Maybe my weakest town read so far but still edging there.

I must disagree with that which is quoted above.
If my reasoning is a mystery, I would be more than willing to discuss, but it appears to be apparent to me that this conclusion might have already been reached.

[Gentleman 4]

I'll just wait for you to catch up and see if you still feel your questions are necessary before I start responding to old news.

The question I asked you has much purpose -- of that you can be reassured. Doubtful, I am, that it will lose it's meaning by the time I have caught up to all the rhyme and reason of the thread.
To respond or not, this is your prerogative, but I would prefer it if you chose to the positive.

[Gentleman 4]

VOTE: Gent 4

Lady 9, who do you townread?

My strongest town reads are probably Lady 7 and Lady 8.

To a lesser extent I've liked Lady 3, Gentleman 6, and Lady 4.

That's roughly in order. I need more gentleman reads.

Why is your Lady 7 town read stronger than your Gentleman 6 town read?

[Gentleman 4]

I already answered that question in 127. Was my answer not satisfactory?

No. Not only because 21 and 24 were ones that felt especially unnatural from the fifth lady, but also because later in the game you imply she's one of your only strong town reads (post 302) after she hasn't posted significantly for several pages. In fact, I don't really see many posts coming from lady five after your quoted explanation that really explain having a strong town read on her at that point, which is why I'm asking for more explanation.

[Gentleman 4]

I think it would be good for me to have a partner early, and I think of the ladies, three is best for me.

So, my dear, I'd like to re-extend my offer.

Lady 3, dance with me?

[Gentleman 4]

Yet, as my hand I extend, my heart is filled with fear.
Does she love me for me, does she hold me dear?
Or is the wealth in my bank the object of her gain?
Perhaps more information I should obtain.

But of the partners I see beyond,
Only she is the the morning dawn.
For while my read on her is weak,
Chemistry is more what I seek.

[Gentleman 4]

Also because the poetry is uninspired, I'm just going to outright say a few things:

1. I'm currently on Page 15 and I still like Lady 3. She's not my strongest town read, but I think she's town.
2. A lot of the Ladies are looking particularly undesirable.
3. Of the Ladies I have town reads on, I think Lady 3 is the best match for the way I'm approaching this game.
4. I'd like to match somewhat early just because it would be really nice to be able to discuss my reads with someone else, and based of what I've seen from Lady 3, as long as she has things to add in the PT, I think I have a solid chance of getting a good read on her.

[Gentleman 4]

I already answered that question in 127. Was my answer not satisfactory?

No. Not only because 21 and 24 were ones that felt especially unnatural from the fifth lady, but also because later in the game you imply she's one of your only strong town reads (post 302) after she hasn't posted significantly for several pages. In fact, I don't really see many posts coming from lady five after your quoted explanation that really explain having a strong town read on her at that point, which is why I'm asking for more explanation.

I don't really have more. I can say gut in 100+ words if that helps. And I've mellowed out severely on that read since.

I understand.

In further news, I need to interact directly with Lady 8 to read her better, I think. There are a lot of people I want more from (updated list coming soon) as of Page 20, but I will note that I have not read (merely skimmed) any of Lady 2's posts. I plan to do that some other day when I have a full 24 hours off of work, am snowed in, and have nothing else I am capable of doing. Kidding. But I will catch up on her later.

[Gentleman 4]

I'm caught up.

I have a lot to say but not really a lot I want to share with the entirety of the game. I think optimally Lady 3 wants to dance and is a lot more active when we're alone than in public, because there are several things I'd like to discuss.

In addition there are several posts I have specifically not read yet (or merely skimmed), but I very much intend to do so later, including just about every one of Lady 2's posts, however I think the best course of action for me right now is to be present in the game thread so I am capable of fleshing out the reads I have.

[Gentleman 4]

I figured it would be at least somewhat. How are you?

[Gentleman 4]

I figured it would be at least somewhat. How are you?

good. Tired as fuck but working on a buzz!

I feel you. Days have been particularly long for me this week. How optimistic are you about this game so far?

[Gentleman 4]

I figured it would be at least somewhat. How are you?

good. Tired as fuck but working on a buzz!

I feel you. Days have been particularly long for me this week. How optimistic are you about this game so far?

Hmmm I don't know. I feel like right now we're in this weird extended confirmation style where some people aren't showing up and some people are, and it's like that beginning part of a party where you show up early and you feel kinda bored so you don't know how it's going to turn out. I've never played this setup before and haven't played mafia in a while, so I'm in this kind of along for the ride state hoping I don't get left behind.

I think once the game actually gets started I'll have a better feel for how optimistic I feel. You?

I think for a game that hasn't gotten through the first phase, my reads are in a good place.

I'm encouraged by the way certain players are turning out, discouraged by the lack of presence (or presence of mind) of others.

I think I personally play a lot better when I don't have to bare my thoughts to everyone at once, so I'm optimistic about getting a partner.

I haven't seen any particularly toxic, anti-town, or spammy play from any player, so that, too, is encouraging. I think this game looks to be very fun at the least.

[Gentleman 4]

I think it would be good for me to have a partner early, and I think of the ladies, three is best for me.

So, my dear, I'd like to re-extend my offer.

Lady 3, dance with me?

accept

I'm very excited to get to discuss things more with you ... in private.

[Gentleman 4]

Treating another player disrespectfully or intentionally aggravating someone you aren't sure is scum is anti-town play. It's a tactic that can be used by scum to make it more difficult to read that player for several reasons. To see a mod-confirmed town player do this to another player that is quite likely town just reveals inexperience/lack of ability or awareness.

[Gentleman 4]

Using the above post to attempt to attempt to determine my reads will prove fruitless, by the way. The example is merely that: an example that I'm certain is relevant to no real-life circumstances. No one would be foolish enough to make an enemy of a player they might be later trying to convince of their reads or try and keep a player from being able to adequately read and play the game. That would be foolish beyond all reason.

[Gentleman 4]

Without speaking in excess, I think the dance choices affect the game in such a way that Gentleman 6's actions merit at least some sort of response, so I'll say this: I think it would behoove you, sir, to remember your previous reads on certain players and consider the weight they held then to ensure that the pool of partners you select from is not one based on a short term memory. I would implore you to consider your selection carefully, keeping as much of the game in context that you can, prior to offering your hand.

None of this is to say I particularly disagree with Lady 4 or Lady 7 as your selection, but that consideration of past experience rarely proves wasteful or inefficient.

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 2, if you could pick three people to be left out right now, who would you choose?

[Gentleman 4]

I know it’s a pt not qt by the way I just like the way qt sounds better.

... something something something some flirtatious remark about you being a qt.

Lady 2, if you could pick three people to be left out right now, who would you choose?

I'd go with L5, L8 and ... L1 maybe? Or maybe G3? That's a little spicy, possibly the technically correct answer would be to leave out the three scummiest gents and force three of hopefully the scummiest ladies to be left without partners? G3, G8 and ... dann, no, I'm honestly willing to keep every other gent for now. Nah, go back to my first suggestion, leave out L5, L8, and either L1 or L6 I suppose. This sets up six ladies with eight gentlemen asking, with my hope to leave G3 and G8 with unrequited invitations.

Dann isn't here anymore. This comment was supposed to be funny, but I'm not perfectly certain how to convey that through text.

What makes you want to leave behind Miss 8?

[Gentleman 4]

I need to start reading the gentlemen.

For some reason I find them harder to read than the ladies.

Any gentlemen in particular you find difficult to read?

[Gentleman 4]

I highly doubt Lady 1 is skitter.

I'm not opposed to her being matched with Gentleman 6, but I'd rather he not let his opinion be swayed too much. In his shoes I'd retrace my steps through the game and find where I've been and what I've thought to attempt to arrive a girl who sways to a similar rhythm. I think that far too often we reach for that which looks -- in the moment -- appealing, but forget our senses and what we know to be good.

_{I think there's a very sensible consideration that has not yet been mentioned.}

[Gentleman 4]

To not beat around the bush too much more, it wasn't much more than twenty pages ago that Lady 4 and Lady 7 were your top scum reads. I think it's very apparent that Ladies 4 and 7 have a very good handle on what is going on in mafia and how the pieces fit together, and I, personally, would be very hesitant to match with any capable player that I wasn't reasonably solid (for the first phase of the game with no flips) on the alignment of. Both women have made it relatively obvious they're experienced and I'd rather you weren't devoured alive because you made a poor choice in match making. If your read from earlier has changed on both those ladies with the awareness of your previous read, great, my hesitation melts like an ice cube on the equator, but based on what you've said previously, I'd rather you at least strongly considered your previous stances before making this choice.

Especially because you seem to be pretty widely town read by most other players, I think it would be wise to match with someone you think is likely town, but isn't too large a threat that it becomes obvious you must die. I also like that you have provided relatively unique stances in the game and it has helped anchor me in my own reads and approaches, and I'd prefer that not be marred too fiercely by a woman you don't particularly agree with. I hope against hope that the lady you match with meets you in discussion, not control. I'm doing my best to approach from your stand point because I'd really prefer you didn't try to approach it from mine, and I'm merely trying to give you advice, so if anything here seems untrue to you, please ignore it.

[Gentleman 4]

I know it’s a pt not qt by the way I just like the way qt sounds better.

... something something something some flirtatious remark about you being a qt.

Lady 2, if you could pick three people to be left out right now, who would you choose?

Dann isn't here anymore. This comment was supposed to be funny, but I'm not perfectly certain how to convey that through text.

What makes you want to leave behind Miss 8?

Yeah that was a mobile autocorrect for "damn", RIP dann.

L8 ... has done a whole lot of nothing? Okay, she's not alone exactly in that regard, maybe L3 is comparable but she's interactive in ways I feel L8 hasn't been. It feels like she's said words but they haven't been words that accomplish stuff. And also looking back her sheeping of G6's reasoning on L5 (L5 being only jokey is something he thinks more likely to come from Town) is kind of icky for me, especially considering the proportion of L8's contributions that had to do with L5's posting style stuff early. I don't know, I see almost no townvibe stuff in her contributions and not even an in to question if more can come of it the way I ha've like with like G7. Like if G6 was still interested in pairing with her I'd be okay with that and maybe we could get a better read from that going forward. But even G6 isn't looking for that anymore and I'm happy for him to pair with L7 or L4 if he wants, there's plenty if utility waiting there.

Lady 8 has more posts than five of the other players, including yourself, most of which are game related and include reads and stances on players or genuinely add to the game in a productive manner, at least in my opinion. I don't really see where she's sheeping Gentleman 6 on Lady 5 as far as thinking that players making jokes is indicative of town, could you quote that post for me?
I get the impression your read on her is mostly based on your very early impressions, that you began to somewhat skim her posts and now you only have a shadow of a read on her, do you think this is true or false?

[Gentleman 4]

@Gentleman 5 I assume you intended to respond to this post, you said Gentleman 6, though? Correct me if I'm wrong in this assertion.

I need to start reading the gentlemen.

For some reason I find them harder to read than the ladies.

Any gentlemen in particular you find difficult to read?

Anyways,

I would just love it if we could not do alt guesses at all. Meta is a shifty beast in the first place, and vastly worse here. Also, for the spirit of the game.

This deserves a pagetop.

@G6: I should townread G3, but I dont. Idk why. 4 reads to me as irrelevant town at this point. I think youre town. Everyone else hasnt stuck to me yet (G2 is IC)

Why do you think you should town read G3?
What does it mean to be irrelevant town?

[Gentleman 4]

I... this might be a question that just goes unanswered, but if you have a response, I'd love to hear it; what about Gentleman 3's early posting seemed honest to you?

[Gentleman 4]

This is that post. It's not a strong "sheep" as such, but it's a lame coda to a series of mediocre posts from L8 mainly about L5's posting style. Okay L8 has more posts than me. So what? I don't think they contributed much and I think that they don't contribute much in a way that means scummy. There's a lot of pointless mild interjections, a lot of non-content content like this stuff about G5 "Townslipping" because that's not what it is. If her contributions look good to you, well, fine, I'm not seeing it. I've gone through her ISO. I care about evaluating and understanding this read. Yes at this point I'd say she's in my top three players I'd like to see left out. If one of my Townreads wanted to invite her and read her and work with her it might be a different story. But im not seeing that.

Alright, I apologize, I didn't mean to rudely assert you were not paying attention, only to offer you a way out if you were not. I must admit that try as I might I can't really understand where you're coming from, but I respect your stance.

G4, which ladies are you looking at?

I know their activity in the thread hasn't been particularly high (and that this is something you were considering a bit more), but I think Lady 2 and Lady 8 are both worth your consideration. Neither is particularly heavily town read or scum read, both have solid potential to be town, and both propose opinion instead of using a more forceful method (whether intentional or not). I think on both ends that pairing off with one of these two would both increase their activity and help you balance your thoughts without risk of things getting too manipulative.

[Gentleman 4]

Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

The degree to which my head is in the same space as yours this game is remarkable.

[Gentleman 4]

Gentleman 3, do you think Lady 4 is town?

[Gentleman 4]

I know there is no stated time deadline for posting in the thread, but I'm not completely certain if this is due to an oversight or players are legitimately allowed to lurk for the entirety of the game.

If this is merely an oversight,

@moderator, request you prod

Gentleman 1 ~ 2 days 15 hours
Gentleman 8 ~ 2 days 23 hours
Lady 1 ~ 3 days 18 hours

[Gentleman 4]

Gentleman 3, do you think Lady 4 is town?

I remember townreading her but I don't remember why. I think part of it was a lot of going against the grain.

Do you town read her after review?

[Gentleman 4]

I... this might be a question that just goes unanswered, but if you have a response, I'd love to hear it; what about Gentleman 3's early posting seemed honest to you?

Speaking of G4, I dont think I answered this as I went to bed.

I cant give you specifics but I thought like L9, G3 stayed pretty active and i thought the posting looked good.

I appreciate your response, thanks.

[Gentleman 4]

I want to ask you something further, Gentleman 5, but I can't put my finger on what it is. If you manage to think of it, I'd be very grateful.

Gentleman 3, is there a reason you haven't proposed yet? Who are you thinking of proposing to, if anyone?

[Gentleman 4]

Yeah I still think she's > rand town. That's in large part due to 177.

The interesting thing about that post is that I don't know that a lot of players were particularly townreading Lady 7 at that point, this post just looks to show that she's trying to be counter flow and it feels awkward.

Disagree with me or not, I do appreciate the effort. Who are you looking to match with?

[Gentleman 4]

I’ll laugh if g4 and l8 are scum together and g4 manipulated g6 away from town and to his partner.

Why would that be funny?

I think this is a very strange way to say you think I'm scum, and I'd prefer it if you didn't try to poke and prod at it instead of confronting it directly.

[Gentleman 4]

The interesting thing about that post is that I don't know that a lot of players were particularly townreading Lady 7 at that point

Explicitly it was only me and L9, though we were both very present in the early pages. Several other people had at least indicated that they didn't scumread her. I think it's reasonable to think of it as consensus.

Fair enough. I thought I remembered Gentleman 6 also scumreading them at that point, but I re-examined and he actually pointed fingers at Lady 4 for scumreading Lady 7 at that point.

[Gentleman 4]

@Gentleman 5: Of the items you spoke of earlier, I think I understand both of them. On your current topic, I'd like to say that I think my reads are relatively solid, and I strongly encourage a reread if you feel your own are not in a similar position.

I’ll laugh if g4 and l8 are scum together and g4 manipulated g6 away from town and to his partner.

Why would that be funny?

I think this is a very strange way to say you think I'm scum, and I'd prefer it if you didn't try to poke and prod at it instead of confronting it directly.

I don’t even know if I think you’re scum. It’s just that some of the ways you’ve come into the thread have felt slithery and manipulative, like the way you dealt with g6 last night, and I don’t know what to make if it, but you feel like a devil in a suit with some brandy smoking a cigar pulling people into your den. Are you on the up and up or crafting dastardly plans?

It would be amusing because it was so smooth and well played if that were the case.

The imagery is flattering to say the least. I can follow where you're coming from, but I have to admit I'm at least slightly frustrated because I was explicitly trying to avoid such an occurrence.

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 6 is going to die anyways and flipping 6 right now isn't going to do much especially since we have a limited time with ic pairing probs

Holy forkballs! Just what makes you think you can control all the lynches and be certain I'll be mislynched?

*eyes bulging*

Well when your thread presence is almost zero you are going to be dead

Maybe its your redemption arc.

The interaction with my posts have been limited because I don't write flowery, pointless posts or spam. Every word I say has a purpose. Take it or leave it. What do you think of the reads I have expressed on this page?

The interaction with your posts has been limited because you don't write with direction or purpose, you simply react and hope that your reaction holds value and conveys the meaning that it does. At least as far as I'm concerned, the only directly discernable reads on this page are your scum read of Lady 5 and your townread of Gentleman 5.

[Gentleman 4]

You know, for 44 pages in, there seems to be alot of uncertainty for reads.

I mean, theres a reason/excuse I, G2, and maybe one or two other have, but the rest of yall idk what to think.

That is because a lot of the posting is grandstanding, roleplaying, alt guessing and spam. If we're all more deliberate with our posting, we'll all be more readable.

You're specifically one of the larger offenders of grandstanding and roleplaying here. If you'd leave that and the ignorant self-righteousness behind you'd be significantly easier to read and play with.

[Gentleman 4]

The Lady 8 scum reads don't make sense to me.

I also don't think that forgiving Lady 6 just because she plays like she's got binoculars glued to her eyes is the best course of action either. Too scummy to be scum is rarely an argument, I think.

[Gentleman 4]

I think reactionary is probably a better word than aggressive. The latter implies proactive play.

[Gentleman 4]

No one has called you arrogant, Lady 6.

Where was Gentleman 6 an ass?

[Gentleman 4]

The Lady 8 scum reads don't make sense to me.

I also don't think that forgiving Lady 6 just because she plays like she's got binoculars glued to her eyes is the best course of action either. Too scummy to be scum is rarely an argument, I think.

Interesting. A direct potshot but a potshot none the less.

What does binoculars glued to my face mean? Why is that scummy?

Who are your scumreads?

Given the definition of potshot, that isn't a potshot.

I'm aware the implication is that your lack of self-awareness and awareness of the game is scummy, but that wasn't necessarily my intention.

If that's a setup for a future push it's the shittiest, bluntest one I've ever seen.

*shrug* Figures that the slots I suggest have wierd posts call me arrogant and use general labels such as "scumposting" rather than reply to my observations or request clarification (like gentleman 5 does). This is particularly useful since you only wanted to use a widely accepted dance pairing.

Scumposting

Case in point.

So L6 I’m pretty sure that g3 is responding to something about me not you.

Given G4's later replies to me and his lack of correction, I disagree.

I highly recommend you read Gentleman 3's post and it's context, then, because I'm almost certain it will prove otherwise.

[Gentleman 4]

The Lady 8 scum reads don't make sense to me.

I also don't think that forgiving Lady 6 just because she plays like she's got binoculars glued to her eyes is the best course of action either. Too scummy to be scum is rarely an argument, I think.

Ill go into it more if she ends up at the dance.

Tunnel Vision is usually a town issue. I take more issue with L3’s commanding than I do L6 at this time, but...

I agree on tunnel vision. I implied... incorrectly earlier. I meant to say something along the lines of "intentionally making the mistakes town makes doesn't make one town," if that makes more sense to you.

Actually, I dunno if L6 is scum.

^

L5 and L8 deserve to die before L6 imo.

I can dig this chicks vibe. Not sold on town, but Ill play.

I don't think Lady 8 should die. I think Lady 3-5 and G4 have at least 2 scum.

If I had to guess the last scum, it would be G1 or G8 although I would want it to be G6 because he was an ass earlier.

Nopenopenopenopenopenope. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. You lost me.

That said, the post above seems townie though, as I feel those reads are reactionary rather than actual reads imo.

I agree on reactionary, but I want to point out that it looks like she's calling almost half the game scum here and that doesn't necessarily seem ... I think that I could make a better judgement on her alignment if I knew her experience and capabilities in mafia, but because I do not, I'm hesitant to forgive previous scummy play because several townie fallacies have been committed.

I think reactionary is probably a better word than aggressive. The latter implies proactive play.

So, you don't think me asking to be partners with G3 or G5 is proactive? You don't think me suggesting who scum are is initiative taking? You don't think giving suggestions to improve the thread is proactive? You don't think calling attention to myself when I can be here is proactive?

Just what is your standard for proactive?

Everything you've done today seems to come out of emotional response to the fact that you've been called out multiple times by multiple people. You don't seem to be aware of yourself, in control of your posting, your thoughts aren't congruent, there is little or no discernable process, direction, or purpose behind your posts other than to lash out at the people who have called you out. Hence, reactionary.

[Gentleman 4]

No one has called you arrogant, Lady 6.

Where was Gentleman 6 an ass?

What G5 said. I'm not in the mood for semantics. Someone said I was arrogant or full of myself. I'm not exactly going to find it.

I understand you disagree G5. I really hope L8 ends up at the dance so we can sort it out. I think most of the scum will soon be at the dance though anyway.

No one called you arrogant or full of yourself. I just checked, and it didn't take me very long either.

I think especially since you implied that using such terminology is indicative of scum earlier that it would be to your benefit to know who such people are so you can scum read them, do you not agree?

[Gentleman 4]

I want to point out that it looks like she's calling almost half the game scum here and that doesn't necessarily seem

No. I have been calling Ladies 3,4, and 5 scum with Gentleman 1 or 8 and you. That is not almost half the game. No where near. It needs a little filtering down but is not a wild, reactionary list.

Well, let's see.

8.5 is half, and you called 6 people scum. I'd say 6 is almost 8, so yeah. Very nearly.

It's almost like you could say, you called almost half the game scum here. Oh wait.

[Gentleman 4]

Everything you've done today seems to come out of emotional response to the fact that you've been called out multiple times by multiple people. You don't seem to be aware of yourself, in control of your posting, your thoughts aren't congruent, there is little or no discernable process, direction, or purpose behind your posts other than to lash out at the people who have called you out. Hence, reactionary.

Look dudes, this chick scumreads me. Rather than ask why or look at the posts she found offensive, I'll just call her crazy and emotional.

If you have trouble understanding why I form the reads I have, how can you be confident their reactionary or emotional? Your posting towards me today has been gaslighting and discrediting rather than intending to solve my alignment.

I think it's beyond evident that I have done more than my part in research. I also don't find myself to be lacking in understanding as far what your reads are.

I haven't gaslighted you and I doubt that simply using big words to attempt to discredit me will get you very far. You've made multiple posts that show a remarkable lack of awareness of game state and positions, and several of your posts have said that things have happened that have specifically not happened. I highly recommend you re-examine your perspective.

[Gentleman 4]

I want to point out that it looks like she's calling almost half the game scum here and that doesn't necessarily seem

No. I have been calling Ladies 3,4, and 5 scum with Gentleman 1 or 8 and you. That is not almost half the game. No where near. It needs a little filtering down but is not a wild, reactionary list.

Well, let's see.

8.5 is half, and you called 6 people scum. I'd say 6 is almost 8, so yeah. Very nearly.

It's almost like you could say, you called almost half the game scum here. Oh wait.

There's 17 players. 6/17 =35 percent. If you want to play even more semantics, 3 and 6 are only 1 person away from 8 and 6.

So, can you do better? Can you name all the scum in 5 names? I did ask for your reads.

Or is "nearly half" just a potshot when I have 2/3 of the game as town.

Ohhh! Yeah, let's do that. Let's just both multiply numbers so the fractions we use support our statements. I will bloat your numbers out of proportion and call you wrong, and then you can bloat mine even more, and then let's continue down this path until we're both exhausted!

For my rebuttal, I will remark that you didn't call 2/3 of the game town, I will say you actually called 6470588/10000000 of the game town. That's nowhere close. Now it's your turn!

[Gentleman 4]

I'm cool again. Sorry. What do you need?

[Gentleman 4]

Talk to me about L3, do you think directing townreads to join up like she wants is a pro-town move?

With the exception of a few of her posts, I've supported almost everything L3 has been doing. I personally prefer to try to stay more hands off, but I understand and agree with several of the moves she's made.

I think that especially since several people have remarked on their uncertainty as to who to match with and who to avoid, having additional sources of input is rarely anti-town, especially because she hasn't been particularly spammy about it, and if she's scum she's just making more associatives for later. I would have expected scum to try to be more sneaky about it - or to not try to do it at all. Especially in the first phase of the game I very much expect scum to try to see who can stand on their own two legs and who can make it for themselves, especially because we don't know each other and I doubt we will be allowed to share who our mains are in our PTs - I expect the same is in the scum PT. I don't think they want to risk themselves for a player that might not be able to get through the first phase of the game and often enough when you lose one or two scum on day 1, you see the game end in a mafia win. For these reasons I expect her style to come from town for the most part.

[Gentleman 4]

Do partners get qts as soon as they partner or at the end of predance?

At the end of Pre-Dance, unfortunately.

[Gentleman 4]

Do partners get qts as soon as they partner or at the end of predance?

At the end of Pre-Dance, unfortunately.

Ah okay. I kinda thought that 9 and 2 not being around meant they were working in the qt, but you and 3 didn't feel like someone sharing one, so I was a bit confused.

Oof.

[Gentleman 4]

She hasn't even been gone 24 hours.

[Gentleman 4]

G1, G7, and G8 are not active gentlemen. L1 isnt really here either.

G2 - L9
G3 ???
G4 - L3
G5 - L4/L5
G6 - L8/L7?

Assuming I get my salad on and G6 would change to L7, I would personally want to see G3 take L2

That leaves the inactive Gs with L1, L5, and L6 and L8

(If G6 takes L8, then G3 should take L7 and then it would be L1,2,5,6.)

Can we agree or work on this format for now?

I'm going to be honest, I need to review the last

several

pages before I speak too confidently, but I'm close enough to here that I'll voice support for now.

[Gentleman 4]

...

Discussing Lady 3's alignment is pretty inconsequential right now.

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 8, have you said the only things that you have to contribute after your catch-up?

[Gentleman 4]

I will admit I'm markedly disappointed in Lady 8's contributions today.

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 8, have you said the only things that you have to contribute after your catch-up?

I will admit I'm markedly disappointed in Lady 8's contributions today.

If you're town instead of just throwing shade maybe you can make this game more bearable by engaging in conversation with me and asking me questions because yes, the name `${Gender} ${Number}` is definitely helping me cognitively recognize players easier.

I apologize if it comes off as just throwing shade, this isn't my intent and I think I've made it pretty obvious that I think you're town. I was just hoping to be able to engage with you on several topics -- perhaps my reaction was bad but it doesn't come across in a particularly positive way when the first and only thing of note that you have to comment on is how you think my partner should be dead, and even then based solely off a post that (at least it came across to me in such a way) was merely responsive to how toxic a certain player was being to deal with. I don't know about you but I've rarely found solid basis in calling another player scum simply because they remarked on how little they want to play with a person after said person told someone they can go die (and called that someone else a repugnant toad ).

[Gentleman 4]

G3 not asking anyone even though he's been around a lot feels weird. I don't like his I don't want to drag anyone down, can we make it to endgame really.

I worry that he's waiting to see if his partner is townread enough for a scum-scum pairing that will make them super strong scum pairing that they'll win in that end game stand off.

What makes me most nervous about his approach is that he has hinted that he'd like his partner to be chosen for him -- which is a remarkably careful approach and not one that I would take if I was playing a game where I didn't know who I could trust and who I couldn't.

[Gentleman 4]

What makes me most nervous about his approach is that he has hinted that he'd like his partner to be chosen for him

I never said this, I want other people's input but if I do intend to survive to endgame I'm not going to pair with someone I don't townread.

I didn't say you said it, I said you hinted at it, and you confirm this with the second part of your sentence in your response.

In addition, there's this here:

Gentleman 3, is there a reason you haven't proposed yet?

- because I don't like making decisions
- because I think pairs should be widely agreed on
- because I want to pair with someone who wants to pair with me, and only L5 has expressed interest, and I have thought about asking her but have not yet come to a conclusion

Who are you thinking of proposing to, if anyone?

Depends on how people read me, which I really don't have that clear of a picture on. If people feel good about me I'd want one of my townreads (probably L5 or L7); if I'm going to be mislynched anyway, I would not want to drag them down and would instead try to pair with scum/lynchbait.

Unless I'm misinterpreting something.

Put it however you like, but I feel there's been a lot of thoughts put out there about who should pair with who, I don't really see where you're lacking in input, and yet I don't see a proactive push from you as far as finding a partner.

[Gentleman 4]

I honestly thought you meant make it to end game in the other sense of the word and I was very confused.

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 2, I would like to see your analysis of the current matching as well as your reads list, if possible. The more numbers you can attach to things, the more jubilant I become.

[Gentleman 4]

In addition, how comfortable are you in your scum game? If you could have paired with any of the gentlemen prior to them making the matches they have now, who would you have chosen? If your answer is Gentleman 2, please also include your second choice.

[Gentleman 4]

This game is

dense.

I'll be back later, I can only process so much at a time. It scares me that my day 2 catch-up is nearly as large as my day 1.

[Gentleman 4]

I haven't caught up in depth yet, but I got out of bed relatively early on the morning (for a saturday) because I saw some things that are starting to drive me crazy.

@Gentleman 6 - you know the whole stereotype of women flirting with men or at the very least trying to get men to ask them out and the boy in question is just completely clueless? Last night (and perhaps for other significant portions of the game) you have embodied that. To be more clear, (because I fear that you will somehow mistake what I'm saying here as well) I don't think Lady 7 and Lady 3 are trying to ask you out, I just think you're misunderstanding or misapplying intention to their actions that are simply quite absent.

@Lady 7 - you've been quite delightful to play with and while I do share some of Gentleman 6's doubt in some small part, none of that is attached to you being rude - something that I don't think describes you in the slightest - so I'm going to ask you to stop apologizing for it.

@Lady 3 - almost every time you post I get that much more excited to share a PT with you tonight. I think generally speaking we're at least on similar pages, so I won't say anything more than this: Lady 8 is a point of contention but hopefully one we will get narrowed down tonight.

L5 is the only person who's put an ounce of thought into what will happen after I pair.

Everyone else refuses to do it and is just saying "make a decision already" without telling me how they will respond to what decision I make, as though I don't deserve to know that in order to factor it into my decision.

Several people have offered input as to who you should pair with and put thought into it, and if you disagree I'll start quoting posts at you. This is also not the only time that you've made it look like the only person's posts you've been reading at all have been those of Lady 5's, and I'm going to ask that if you continue to play and not match with the lady of your dreams that this promptly changes. The things you've said have happened or the approaches you've attributed to people so often haven't been there that I'm beginning to think you're reading a different game and posting in this one.

[Gentleman 4]

I am concerned that G3 seems extra concerned about how he’s being read and wants to gauge how his potential partner is being read too

This is, or should be, the entire point of pairing. Townreads with townreads, nulls with nulls, scumreads with scumreads, then eliminate them generally from the bottom up.

But there's no consensus on me. And nobody is endeavoring to form one. They're trying to use my pair to determine their read on me, which is backwards.

I don't think anyone is trying to use any player's partner to find a read on that player, particularly because they don't have to be the same. I think a lot of people have you sorted and just aren't saying anything about it because there is nothing you can do. Consensus happens tomorrow when we have a vote, and even then seeing complete agreement is remarkably unlikely.

[Gentleman 4]

I will go so far as to venture to say that I think the read on Gentleman 3 is generally shared by the majority and those who aren't part of that unanimity have weak enough reads that when players become more forthcoming about their stances tomorrow, they will be.

[Gentleman 4]

This is that post. It's not a strong "sheep" as such, but it's a lame coda to a series of mediocre posts from L8 mainly about L5's posting style. Okay L8 has more posts than me. So what? I don't think they contributed much and I think that they don't contribute much in a way that means scummy. There's a lot of pointless mild interjections, a lot of non-content content like this stuff about G5 "Townslipping" because that's not what it is. If her contributions look good to you, well, fine, I'm not seeing it. I've gone through her ISO. I care about evaluating and understanding this read. Yes at this point I'd say she's in my top three players I'd like to see left out. If one of my Townreads wanted to invite her and read her and work with her it might be a different story. But im not seeing that.

To be honest, I still don't understand why your quoted post is particularly scummy.

Do you find the post (spoilered below because the quotes messed up earlier) is scummy because she agrees with Gentleman 6? If it's a sheep, it's very blatant, and not quite what I'd expect. Is it scummy because it associates her positively with Lady 5?

I apologize if I'm being dense here.

Spoiler:

Why are we arguing whether smiley faces are AI?

I think that's an oversimplification of the discussion. But anyway, offer something else to talk about if you have a problem with it.

Sure. Should we go for optimal pairings or just wing it?

I agree that town carry playstyles will also want to show themselves to be town quickly.

But I don't think that avoiding serious talk in the early game when prompted to is a scumtell and I would lean it and Lady 5 the other way.

I'm not used to anon games so it's taking a bit of time to get used to it. But yes, I agree with your assessment on Lady 5.

[Gentleman 4]

The reason Gent 2 should go with Lady 7 is because Lady 7 is feel could be the most possible Deep Wolf so making the confirmed Town partners with them could help in the long run.

Lady 5, why would you want to get a deep wolf to late game? Perhaps I misunderstand, can you clear this up for me?

[Gentleman 4]

I'm not really against you pairing with L9, but I would prefer G6 right now, because both of them feel very town-solvy to me, and it would make the scum have to choose between killing that pair and killing you and your partner--essentially I feel like L9's a bit too strong to pair with you. I'm not really against it, but I kind of want to do like IC with 2nd most townread lady, and most townread lady to go with 2nd most townread gentleman.

I was actually wanting for you to be with L5 initially, but her recent posts are making me reconsider. If I think she's town, I'll be in favour of that pairing, though.

Gentleman 7, this implies you were in favor of Lady 5 earlier, what did you see there that made you think she was town, and what made you doubt that she could be town?

What do you think of her now?

[Gentleman 4]

For reference, remaining Gentleman and Ladies:

Gentlemen 1, 3, 7, and 8

have no partners. Of these, only Gentleman 3 has posted in the last day and a half, and only Gentlemen 7 and 3 have posted in the last three days.

Ladies 1, 2, 5, 6, and 7

have no partners. Of these, all have posted in the last 24 hours, with the exception of Lady 1 who hasn't posted in four days.

If your name was listed here, I'm really interested to here your thoughts on prospective partners or if you've already explained that, why you've been pushing for said partner (with the exception of Gentleman 3). Gentlemen 3 seems to be a hot commodity for the Ladies, am I wrong?

[Gentleman 4]

MariaR's name is up there a laughable number of times.

That said, most of those people you quoted leaving (at least of the ones I looked at), Gentleman 3, left because they thought their partner is scum, not due to some insignificant quibble, which makes your post remarkably dishonest in the way it presents itself in context.

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 7, how do you feel about Lady 4 right now?

[Gentleman 4]

And because my curiosity gets the better of me, I must ask, Lady 4, how do you feel about Lady 7 right now?

[Gentleman 4]

That said, most of those people you quoted leaving (at least of the ones I looked at), Gentleman 3, left because they thought their partner is scum, not due to some insignificant quibble, which makes your post remarkably dishonest in the way it presents itself in context.

I mean obviously nobody would leave unless they thought their partner is scum, but I'd bet that some of them were fairly spur-of-the-moment. But there's nothing to lose by, you know, trying to wagon them first... and tons of information is lost when you just yeet out of there.

This post is relatively contrary to the following one,

Why do you think people plan on leaving?

It is a tradition in this setup for people to leave for stupid, petty reasons.

Which I realize is re-framed by the post that follows it,

By which I mean people are (a) impulsive, (b) intoxicated by the power of being able to immediately kill someone, and (c) bad at calculating why it's mathematically not a good idea to leave.

but I doubt I stand alone in believing you were trying to say you were afraid of players leaving due to play-style differences or something akin. Either way, quoting simply all the times town players have been wrong either exposes your confirmation bias or attempts to take advantage of the fact that we can't see all the times town has been right.

[Gentleman 4]

Why is that something I might fake concern for as scum, but for which I'd be less likely to really have concern for as town?

What are the odds that I don't think leaving is REALLY a big issue for town, but I'm scum and I'm pretending I do, because I think it will bring me some advantage?

I think fearing someone else leaving is much more real for scum than town, and even if you disagree with me on this, why is this a fear that scum would have to fake? You're proposing my approach to your dilemma as one with only two options, but I think one of these isn't even close to one of the most likely probabilities.

[Gentleman 4]

Why is that something I might fake concern for as scum, but for which I'd be less likely to really have concern for as town?

What are the odds that I don't think leaving is REALLY a big issue for town, but I'm scum and I'm pretending I do, because I think it will bring me some advantage?

I think fearing someone else leaving is much more real for scum than town, and even if you disagree with me on this, why is this a fear that scum would have to fake? You're proposing my approach to your dilemma as one with only two options, but I think one of these isn't even close to one of the most likely probabilities.

This more likely probability that you've yet to mention.

[Gentleman 4]

I mean town has left the dance and been right in the past, but when I pair with someone, that's not what I'm concerned about, because it's impossible for them to do that.

And yes I was afraid of players leaving due to playstyle differences. I have been scumread for playstyle differences over and over, in almost every game I play. Usually that read works itself out with enough time, but if my partner leaves on me before it can, then they have potentially screwed town over in a major way.

I want L2 and L6 to weigh in on this when they get a chance. To both of you, if I pair with you, how will you go about trying to read me? What will you do if you scumread me? What will you do if I scumread you?

If things usually work out in time, how are you expecting the player base to know how later days will turn out or whether or not you will make it to end game?

If things usually work out in time, why are you so scared of who you choose?

If you are so worried about your partner leaving before you can convince the rest of the players you are town, why not choose the partner you think will not leave you?

I think if you feel strongly on the idea that you will be able to, as you say, make it obvious you are town in time, your choice is obvious given what you've presented the rest of us with. But because you seem to regularly contradict your words and actions with the mindset you claim to have, that's very doubtful.

So if I'm NOT making it to endgame, it doesn't MATTER who I pair with.

I know I deleted context, but I didn't really want the rest of the post getting in the way of the question:
Do you really think that it doesn't matter who you pair with if you will not make it to end game?

[Gentleman 4]

And because my curiosity gets the better of me, I must ask, Lady 4, how do you feel about Lady 7 right now?

I'm thinking she is likely town. Also, I think shes only made one rude post in this game and I dont understand why she keeps apologizing for playing mafia.

I have read the last few pages but I didn't have much to say about them except that I share the concerns about Lady 8 but not so much the specific criticisms. I'm also thinking Lady 3 might be town for the bizarre series of posts that seem to me like they were clearly doomed not to accomplish anything.

I'm glad we're on the same page here in several places, at least in overall read, if not in the specifics. (Not to say we disagree on the specifics, but I digress.)

Talk more about the specifics on Lady 8? I might have missed the points you discuss here, and I'm a bit out of the loop on this read.

[Gentleman 4]

Do you really think that it doesn't matter who you pair with if you will not make it to end game?

Yes.

Perhaps I phrased incorrectly; If you knew you would die before you made it to the end of the game, you would not try to find and match with scum?

If things usually work out in time, how are you expecting the player base to know how later days will turn out or whether or not you will make it to end game?

I'm not expecting them to know, I'm expecting them to help me figure it out.

I somewhat understand, but you understand yourself better than anyone else here.

If things usually work out in time, why are you so scared of who you choose?

...Because they don't always, and because I just said it's possible my partner leaves on me before I can convince her I'm town?

Right, so does it not follow to pick the partner who you've stated before you have little doubt would stick with you until the end?

[Gentleman 4]

Hello again, good citizens!

The volume of communication here is simply staggering, and I struggle to keep up, particularly while wearing this excellent and most efficacious mask, which, while handsome, leaves much to be desired for eye-holes.

I am entirely flexible with regard to a partner. I find most of the judgments discussed here premature. Either I am paired with a good and talented dancer, in which case I shall be delighted to waltz the night away, or I shall be paired with one who steps on toes and uses the wrong fork at dinner. In the latter case, I will be delighted to do the company a service and leave the dance with her. To wit, based on Gentleman 4's list,

Lady Lucky #7, will you dance with me?

I dont like this

I imagine it's because he immediately proposes in his first post in the thread in a while?

I understand the hesitation, but if this is what you contest, I think both town and scum will approach from a similar mindset with the rapidly dwindling pool of Ladies.

Talk more about the specifics on Lady 8? I might have missed the points you discuss here, and I'm a bit out of the loop on this read.

I reread her recently and I mostly just do not see why she has gotten so many townreads. Most of her posts are whatever.

I think it largely comes from her push for a pro-town game state and the fact that in contrast to several other players she looks less scummy to many people. Is there anything specific about her you want to discuss?

[Gentleman 4]

That is to say I would like to hear much more from Gentleman 8, and I, too, will be severely disappointed if this is all he has to offer today.

[Gentleman 4]

Perhaps I phrased incorrectly; If you knew you would die before you made it to the end of the game, you would not try to find and match with scum?

Okay, I see where you're going now. I was operating under the assumption that nobody's going to let any of the AFK gentlemen near endgame, which would mean that yes, I would have no incentive to match with scum because everyone not yet matched would die regardless.

If that isn't true, it I guess is somewhat important for me to match with scum, but it's far more important to just identify which other unpaired gentleman is the towniest and match HIM with town. Technically pairing with scum increases the chances of this, but it's equally effective to pair whichever lady I think is scum with a gentleman who also isn't going to make it to endgame.

Certainly, the possibility of a currently unpaired scum lady living to endgame with a currently unpaired gentleman is not the biggest concern of mine right now.

I somewhat understand, but you understand yourself better than anyone else here.

Yeah, you're right. Though I can't say I'm an expert on how people read me. If I were, my scumgame would be a hell of a lot better than it is.

Right, so does it not follow to pick the partner who you've stated before you have little doubt would stick with you until the end?

Not directly, because getting walked out on isn't the only way to die-- if people don't townread L5 and they want her dead, it doesn't matter that she townreads me.

Wow. I don't think I've ever had a single post clarify so much for me simultaneously. No joke the lyrics "And at last I see the light" appeared in my head after I had read the entirety of this post. Thank you, a lot of what you're doing makes significantly more sense now.

[Gentleman 4]

That is to say I would like to hear much more from Gentleman 8, and I, too, will be severely disappointed if this is all he has to offer today.

I think it was reckless given he hasnt caught up and is just going by your post.

I must have skimmed the post too much, then, I thought he had at least skimmed several pages.

[Gentleman 4]

For the record G4, I disagree with L6; I don't think you're being anti-town right now.

Like I said before, communication is hard. One of the supreme goals of town in a mafia game is to be able to understand how each other are thinking.

And tbh, getting questioned about my thoughts will frequently lead me to get them more in order myself. Same principle as how you don't really understand something unless you can teach it to someone else.

I appreciate and agree with both of these posts.

G3 not asking anyone even though he's been around a lot feels weird. I don't like his I don't want to drag anyone down, can we make it to endgame really.

I worry that he's waiting to see if his partner is townread enough for a scum-scum pairing that will make them super strong scum pairing that they'll win in that end game stand off.

I mean the point of this game is to pair confident townreads with each other, so like, I only want to pair with someone I confidently townread if people also confidently townread me. It's common sense if you think ahead, but most people just aren't.

I was kind of back and forth on G3 in my head, up until this point. This feels like the same kind of thing I was thinking.

Also, from what I've seen in the first post, there's been a few more pairings made. L7, I'm kind of in favor of you being with G3. Although if you consider me to be more towny, then I'd be up to dance.

Lady 1's activity (or absence thereof) caused you to lose interest in her?

[Gentleman 4]

That is to say I would like to hear much more from Gentleman 8, and I, too, will be severely disappointed if this is all he has to offer today.

What, exactly, would you like me to offer? I'm not reading 60 pages of nonsense pregame.

I think very little of the 60 pages is nonsense, and arguably none of it is pregame.

So can you explain? What makes you think that 9 people in this game scumread me/L5 enough to speedlynch us?

I like you, but for me, L5 is probably one of the first people I'd lynch,

although there's probably going to be a pair of 2 people who I find individually suspicious.

Would you provide amplifying information on the bolded, please?

[Gentleman 4]

Before people begin thinking I feel one way or another about Gentleman 3's alignment, I don't believe I've made any post specifically stating either way. I simply said a lot of what he was saying makes sense. I'm not saying this to encourage reads in one direction or another, simply trying to prevent people from altering their reads based on how they think I'm reading Gentleman 3.

Also Lady 5 has made it apparent that discussing with her will be an exercise in futility until she reads and catches up on the game thread - to prevent having to sift through several pages of what might boil down to spam, I'm going to request that players wait until she is reasonably aware of the current state of the game and the positions of the players in it before responding to her, instead duplicating the game thread in responses to her in attempts to get her to understand what she could easily comprehend if she chose to put in the effort herself. I'm not opposed to helping players catch up or to quoting one or two posts in question, but Lady 5 is not aware of a significant amount of information. Thank you.

[Gentleman 4]

Yes, I believe I was the one who said that Gentleman 3's posts didn't look particularly genuine.

[Gentleman 4]

I'm almost certain that replace out discussion like this both goes against the spirit of the game (at least in my interpretation of the moderator's posts) as well as the spirit of the site-wide rule pertaining to replacing out. Either way, I'm specifically requesting here that you don't discuss it -- simply take the action you deem necessary and be done with the matter.

[Gentleman 4]

Yeah I’ll get her to replace in if she’s willing.

This sounds like discussing on-going games outside of the game thread.

[Gentleman 4]

I'd like a counter for the number of players Lady 6 thinks are scum. Right now we're at 7 and rising.

Lady 6 your approach to the game is and has been a bit ridiculous. Please re-examine.

[Gentleman 4]

I'd like a counter for the number of players Lady 6 thinks are scum. Right now we're at 7 and rising.

Lady 6 your approach to the game is and has been a bit ridiculous. Please re-examine.

No.

G4 L4 L3 L1 G1 and G8 is my scumpool. We're at 6 and falling. I eliminated L5.

So you don't think Lady 7 is Gentleman 8's partner?

[Gentleman 4]

I'd like a counter for the number of players Lady 6 thinks are scum. Right now we're at 7 and rising.

Lady 6 your approach to the game is and has been a bit ridiculous. Please re-examine.

No.

G4 L4 L3 L1 G1 and G8 is my scumpool. We're at 6 and falling. I eliminated L5.

Also, we were at 6 the last time we talked, and this new list doesn't include Lady 7. We're either at 7 and rising or 6 and stable (stable in the sense that the number is constant but the players in it is changing).

[Gentleman 4]

Explain this, then please.

If G8 is randomly picking, why not just pick the first single lady. She's his partner.

[Gentleman 4]

Why is that something I might fake concern for as scum, but for which I'd be less likely to really have concern for as town?

What are the odds that I don't think leaving is REALLY a big issue for town, but I'm scum and I'm pretending I do, because I think it will bring me some advantage?

I think fearing someone else leaving is much more real for scum than town, and even if you disagree with me on this, why is this a fear that scum would have to fake? You're proposing my approach to your dilemma as one with only two options, but I think one of these isn't even close to one of the most likely probabilities.

No it's most likely town who leaves. I've never seen scum leave in any of these dance games.

That's not what I'm getting at.

Why is he proposing that only a town player would be concerned with their partner leaving?

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 8, what are your thoughts on Gentleman 3 (within what you're willing to share, of course) and who do you think would make a solid partner for him?

[Gentleman 4]

@Anyone not Lady 5, how difficult is this sort of post to make as scum?

Spoiler:

This would be the strongest partner Choices:
Me and Gentleman 3
Gentleman 5 and Lady 2
Gentleman 1 and Lady 8

I feel like this would be a strong team.
L2 and G5 working together and Gent 1 and Lady 8 working together would create a very strong town force.

[Gentleman 4]

@Gentleman 3

walk me through the history of your read on Lady 5. What posts made you change your read on her (if any)?

What assets do you bring to town in your opinion? Like self-evaluation

Probably better at late game. I'm really bad early game. I can't lead town so I think pairing with G6 was a good option.

Lady 8, what are your thoughts on Gentleman 3 (within what you're willing to share, of course) and who do you think would make a solid partner for him?

Early game I was town reading them for their strong town stance on G5 and me. They have similar reads to me so I tent to town-read those kinds of slots in the early game but there can be deep wolf potential in that slot. As for their partner...

For reference, remaining Gentleman and Ladies:

Gentlemen 1, 3, 7, and 8

have no partners. Of these, only Gentleman 3 has posted in the last day and a half, and only Gentlemen 7 and 3 have posted in the last three days.

Ladies 1, 2, 5, 6, and 7

have no partners. Of these, all have posted in the last 24 hours, with the exception of Lady 1 who hasn't posted in four days.

If your name was listed here, I'm really interested to here your thoughts on prospective partners or if you've already explained that, why you've been pushing for said partner (with the exception of Gentleman 3). Gentlemen 3 seems to be a hot commodity for the Ladies, am I wrong?

I would say they should pair with L6 because that's a really strong town-slot.

What does your read on Gentleman 3 look like based on his recent posting?

[Gentleman 4]

I think I'm beginning to fall for my dance partner. This game is dangerous.

[Gentleman 4]

What does your read on Gentleman 3 look like based on his recent posting?

It hasn't changed much but the town read isn't as strong as it was earlier.

What caused it to deteriorate?

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 9, may I have this dance?

I will not hold it against you if you decline.

I accept

On second thought I don't think think there is a reason to delay this, and I know gent 6 is looking at me funny now, so *shrug*

This implies you weren't interested in Gentleman 6, talk more about this?

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 9, may I have this dance?

I will not hold it against you if you decline.

I accept

On second thought I don't think think there is a reason to delay this, and I know gent 6 is looking at me funny now, so *shrug*

You don't want to try and live to endgame?

@Gentleman 3 (the Lady 9 quote was for context) - were you disappointed when Lady 9 accepted?

[Gentleman 4]

I think youre too good for him.

Gentleman 5, out of curiosity, what are your thoughts on our pairing as of right now?

PEdit:

I think I'm beginning to fall for my dance partner. This game is dangerous.

When G4 talks about L3, I do get uneasy.

Perfect timing! Explain?

[Gentleman 4]

Personally, I feel outting townreads are a bad idea until dance time, but thats just me?

Wait, why is outing townreads a bad idea? I'm of the opinion that we should get a strong towncore--of course, this does depend on our ability to keep scum out. I don't really see the advantage of hiding them?


Also, L9, why did you accept so early?

Gentleman 7, you also seem disappointed in Lady 9 pairing with Gentleman 2, do I misrepresent?

[Gentleman 4]

Explain this, then please.

If G8 is randomly picking, why not just pick the first single lady. She's his partner.

Context. G8 avoided his partner L1. That's why she should be single.

I see, you were talking about L1. The sentence structure threw me off, my bad.

[Gentleman 4]

I didnt think the old you was going to contribute towards the game, and I thought L3 deserved a better pairing at the time.

I think you are town, jury is out on L3 for me, your straight trust of L3 muddies the water for both of you. It seems too confident for my liking.

I mean if you catch my drift, it would really help my read of you, you know?

I catch your drift and I don't think you should be as afraid as you are. I'd love to talk more about Lady 3, but unless you deem it necessary, I will curtail my explanation until tomorrow. I want to say that I've been distinctly discrete in my diction this game and many times I've seen what I believe to be people interpreting positive comments from me as indications of a read on that certain player, and while that isn't always untrue, it isn't specifically accurate, either. To extrapolate, while I've voiced approval for the actions of my lady, that doesn't necessarily mean I read her alignment that way (although it would be somewhat dishonest to say that I don't at least to some extent), and I definitely enjoy many of the approaches she's made, confidence in her alignment is not a characteristic of mine.

In summation, I believe I catch your drift, I am wary of my lady -- yet not too much so -- and will discuss much more, I think, tomorrow.

[Gentleman 4]

2 got paired up with 9 whom I am not sure is town

1 I am leaning but not concrete that they are town.
3 is up in the air.
4 I think is town but want to see more from the replacement.
5 I'm not liking.
6 is town!
7 I think is town.
8 I don't remember.

I love this list so much.

What in particular do you like about it?

[Gentleman 4]

Lady 5 your write to read ratio is about 20:1 right now as far as I can see, and this is often indicative of having very little to add.

[Gentleman 4]

The slot is salvageable from where you are, at least from a quality of play stance, but if I refuse to exercise for weeks on end, complaining about how I hate that I do it won't change that.

[Gentleman 4]

I think that scum are trying to reposition my slot as a SvT pair to discredit my reads and keep me from being an endgame slot so that whatever scum's top performer can take the endgame slot instead.
I have very little to say to you right now G5 besides that I don't think that L8 is scum and I don't trust the sudden turn against them that I already expected to happen if they were town.

I know this is a pretty big ask, but if you get the chance, would you be willing to sort through the thread and find who's tried to shade Lady 8 after you propose, and if you're feeling particularly useful, find the players that changed position from before your proposal?

[Gentleman 4]

Exactly. A good gentleman doesn't excessively discuss his lady in public.

[Gentleman 4]

Responding to Lady 5 is giving her something to respond to and causing this to string on far longer than it should. Lady 5 very little of what you're saying is worth hearing until you're at least somewhat aware of the state of the game in context. Please stop posting and read, the things you're writing right now are depraved of depth and lack backing like the dress you're apparently wearing. I don't think anyone is legitimately paying any heed to your ramblings at this point.

[Gentleman 4]

The arguments you're making right now are so full of holes that to work through them with you would take more time and effort than sewing a new dress from scratch.

I want you to go back and at the very least skim the game from page 1, because I've seen inconsistencies in your arguments due to failure to perceive even items happening there. If you don't come back for several days, that's fine, probably even better for you because by that time your reputation can heal in your absence and you can start anew, at least slightly more informed. In addition, the game thread will not fly so quickly if you would not continually post in it, so it will not be nearly as difficult to keep up either.

I assure you I ask you to nothing I haven't already done. Especially because a large number of the posts are yours, it should be easier because you can simply skip those.

[Gentleman 4]

But some posts aren’t even worth reading.

Then don't read them.

[Gentleman 4]

I legitimately don't understand why you think Lady 3's obvious attempt to sort another player could in any way be construed as scummy? You were the player earlier this game that was saying you were never sure on anyone, how is trying to sort people scum indicative?

Please quote where you think Gentleman 5 has been asking the wrong questions from the wrong perspective. Several specific quotes would be helpful - even if you can't explain them, maybe I can somewhat see where you're coming from?

This is the second time today (at least as far as I remember) you've made a general claim with little or no visible base and the second time I've asked you to follow up on such claims - I have yet to see anything fruitful come from the first one.

I think that it would very much benefit you to begin typing your thoughts out of thread, I think it's becoming apparent you're getting paranoid because (allow me to assume a bit here) up until now most of your reads have been surface or close to and now you're seeing a possible other side to your surface reads and it's causing you to examine everything more closely. I can assure you, however, that pointing fingers randomly at the last person to make you feel slightly uncomfortable will only very quickly lose you any standing you had with those players and before long instead of having several players who want to work with you, you'll be howling into the wind as the rest of us play without you.

Please, wait until you have solid form and evidence before you begin your rampage - the dance hasn't even started yet, pointing fingers at couples is borderline useless. Suspicion is fine as long as it is kept in check. Every thought that crosses your head doesn't belong in the game thread.

[Gentleman 4]

Ok, can you quote any of Gentleman 5's posts that support this posture? Or even a string of them to give them context?

[Gentleman 4]

I understand; Thank you, Lady 2. Her ISO straight (while I will admit I skimmed at least part of it) doesn't look as solid on her read of Lady 5 as I remembered - I can definitely see where you're coming from now. I'm not really sure how this affects my read on her, but I'll keep it in mind and it does hold weight.

Do you have time to talk about the game with me for a bit?

[Gentleman 4]

Gentleman 6 if you quoted a long string (spoilered) of the kind of things Gentleman 5 has been saying that exemplifies your point, I would be much appreciative. I really don't remember him doing the things you're accusing him of, and I'm only on Page 35 right now so I might not get to it again myself until Monday.

[Gentleman 4]

In your perspective, is losing 3 townies for 1 scum optimal.

Id actually wouldnt mind if L4 takes that deal if L5 flips town.

It's significantly more optimal than not really having any way to get you lynched because everyone's townreading you for no reason.

I don't know that anyone has explicitly said they're town reading Gentleman 5, trying to make the argument that no one is willing to lynch him while we're not yet out of Pre-Dance (and threatening to kill other players in the process) is preposterous and absurd.

[Gentleman 4]

I understand; Thank you, Lady 2. Her ISO straight (while I will admit I skimmed at least part of it) doesn't look as solid on her read of Lady 5 as I remembered - I can definitely see where you're coming from now. I'm not really sure how this affects my read on her, but I'll keep it in mind and it does hold weight.

Do you have time to talk about the game with me for a bit?

I'm stepping out for just a but - will you be around in maybe half an hour?

Yes.

[Gentleman 4]

Man, I'd really have to just quote his entire ISO because it's a comprehensive read that doesn't hold as much weight unless you look at the entire body of work and the lack of townreads and the amount of shade fired out.

You don't think without quoting his entire ISO you could give me a sample of what you're talking about?

Man, I'd really have to just quote his entire ISO because it's a comprehensive read that doesn't hold as much weight unless you look at the entire body of work and the lack of townreads and the amount of shade fired out.

I really dont want to townhunt today, Ive said that before.

We can only remove a lady this phase, hence why Ive been focusing L8.

Lady 8 has a man already, so pointing fingers at her currently is contrary to the reason behind scum hunting in the ladies in the first place.

[Gentleman 4]

I tend to check the context of the items quoted at me, so I wouldn't accuse you of cherry-picking anyways.

[Gentleman 4]

Spoiler: Gentleman 5 has been unnecessarily hostile to Lady 8 for scum buddies

Hi, I'm catching up. The site has been really bad lately so it's hard to load pages.

Without stating reasons at this time, I think either L8 or L5 shouldnt be dancing.

Do you actually have reasoning for this? I'd like to at least play First Dance before dying.

Then we have different opinions on the matter.

Personally, I feel outting townreads are a bad idea until dance time, but thats just me?

Wait, why is outing townreads a bad idea? I'm of the opinion that we should get a strong towncore--of course, this does depend on our ability to keep scum out. I don't really see the advantage of hiding them?

Again, I think its better not to out town reads until we dance, as we have to factor the pairs.

We can only scumhunt in ladies right now and theres the possibility that all 8 of them could be town.

Is this a town-slip? All of dance games have been 1:2 or 2:1 for scum ratios.

Gamblers Fallacy says this setup will most likely be 1:2 or 2:1

8 I don't remember.

You literally town-read me and the fact that you forgot makes me think you're town with limited knowledge. Scum wouldn't fuck up their reads this bad.

This is true, but youre not getting any townpoints for stating the obvious.

Those are my gentlemen reads, not lady reads.

I still think you're town but you're not active enough to be a good pair for me right now.

Assuming youre talking about L8, I just feel youre spiting me at this point.

Is this a town-slip? All of dance games have been 1:2 or 2:1 for scum ratios.

How would this be a townslip?

Lack of knowledge of setup?

Whats your point your trying to prove? That im town because of setup spec?

Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

You hate to see it.

Gentleman 5 would help with pushing my scum Reads but I’d have trouble trusting him at least in the beginning as he’s not my Lock Town where I can say with 100% confidence that Gentleman 3 is Town.
Me and Him can share are Reads and make stronger solving.

Hey FakeGod, am I allowed to retract my invite?

Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

The degree to which my head is in the same space as yours this game is remarkable.

I’ll laugh if g4 and l8 are scum together and g4 manipulated g6 away from town and to his partner.

(I dont endorse this or anything, just thought it was funny)

I want to ask you something further, Gentleman 5, but I can't put my finger on what it is. If you manage to think of it, I'd be very grateful.?

I dont want two out anything at this time, sorry.

The Lady 8 scum reads don't make sense to me.

I also don't think that forgiving Lady 6 just because she plays like she's got binoculars glued to her eyes is the best course of action either. Too scummy to be scum is rarely an argument, I think.

Ill go into it more if she ends up at the dance.

Tunnel Vision is usually a town issue. I take more issue with L3’s commanding than I do L6 at this time, but...

Actually, I dunno if L6 is scum.

^

L5 and L8 deserve to die before L6 imo.

I can dig this chicks vibe. Not sold on town, but Ill play.

I don't think Lady 8 should die. I think Lady 3-5 and G4 have at least 2 scum.

If I had to guess the last scum, it would be G1 or G8 although I would want it to be G6 because he was an ass earlier.

Nopenopenopenopenopenope. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. You lost me.

That said, the post above seems townie though, as I feel those reads are reactionary rather than actual reads imo.

I'm reading. I'm trying to commit to at least one catchup a day.

Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

I accept.

That was fast. In fact thats the first thing L8 mentions: making sure shes going to the next round.

G6: You mentioned it after you made the proposal but Id like to ask you again - do you think your pairing is T-T?

[Gentleman 4]

His responses to her have been relatively natural and I wouldn't expect them to be scum together. That said, looking for associatives in Pre-Dance - not even before the first flip, but before we're even allowed to vote is asinine.

[Gentleman 4]

There are only two possible circumstances I can see where Lady 7 takes Gentleman 7 as a partner (if she's scum) over Gentleman 8. The first is that she is buddies with Gentleman 8, and the second is that her partner(s) already have matches or are gentlemen.

[Gentleman 4]

Talking about who we're willing to (and not willing to) lynch is bad form when we don't have the ability to lynch yet.

[Gentleman 4]

like it's not hard to have townreads in this game. a lot of slots have been towny. you're sitting around shading all the people that i'm townreading who aren't so obvtown as to be literally impossible to go after.

except the one person who scumreads a bunch of really terrible people to scumread.

You're scumreading him because your reads don't align?

Dude. Wait until tomorrow, PLEASE.

Gentleman 6 I'm going to be very honest with you. I don't care less who you do and do not want dead right now. I don't care who you're scum reading. I don't care that you're paranoid. You're acting like a chicken that just lost its head. Your play right now is disruptive and anti-town. Your current moves have been directionless, backless, and vacuous. Sit down and wait until Pre-Dance is done to begin screaming like a child watching his first horror film again, please.

[Gentleman 4]

Okay G4, as promised, half an hour from stepping out, I'm here. What's on your mind?

I'm sorry. I don't know why people are insistent on throwing what was actually headed in a really solid direction out the window in paranoia. There isn't even anything any of them can do about it. I feel like the entire thread has lost its mind. Give me a minute and I'll get back to you.