Perfect Masquerade [Game Over]

[Gentleman 5]

Yeah I don't like how ununique our names are and I like even less that the game is kinda too far to actually rectify that by attaching nicknames based on avis

[Gentleman 5]

Also when ppl start predance by screwing around and spontaneously making bad pairings it makes the game suck

Pls don't pair before the IC pairs

[Gentleman 5]

It is a shame, I would have preferred for us to be able to pick our names, or at least be given more interesting ones, but I also see why it was done this way.

I think the nickname plan was doomed to fail from the start, though everyone should still get an avi.

I think a fair enough compromise will be submitting a name to the mod and they check that it's fine

or mod could offer you three options or something, would make parsing thread much easier

Yeah scanning will be much easier with avi

[Gentleman 5]

I think... like... I could probably parse Lady 5 given enough time because I think I can probably read the slot reliably

[Gentleman 5]

Hi Lady 5 what are your reads

This will help me parse your alignment

[Gentleman 5]

I'm not a town leader type.

Could have fooled me. I think you might make a fine one. Maybe at an ordinary dance you wouldn't. But tonight you're wearing the mask. Why not go for it?

I do not like Lady 2.

Fair. I probably wouldn't like me either, and I know it, and it's really gnawing at me. Something isn't gelling. I want to be engaging here. Like genuinely I do. But it's not working, apparently. Like it's apparent even to me that I'm trying to say something but I get passed right by, like a ghost. Maybe it's posting while working, here and there, while other people are managing to have actual back-and-forth conversations.

Like L9, G3, L7, G6 are all sensible. L5 is ... fine. Can stay. L4 ... feels kind of like I do? I mean at the very least I'm sympathetic to her early frustration due to distraction and/or generic names. I'm not sure about her backing down immediately and completely after tbh a mild riposte from G3 early (I'm rereading, because yeah, I need to find some kind of foothold). Like, whatever it is, it's a firmer backing up than necessary but probably NAI. L8, kind of a low-key entrance as well? I'm not really getting much there. I do feel like trending Townread on L5 is a fake unpopular opinion? Like I don't think it was every truly going against the grain?

Mostly I want to know how L4 reads G6.

Oh, G4 also kind of lower bracket. Actually scratch that, I like him taking the offered mantle as Town leader. That's actually quite fine. Same with early offer. Actually even better. I saw the jokey pizza post and was wondering how long that shtick would take to play out. Moving fast on an offer was a strong Town move, like he stepped up to the plate and then actually delivered. Good choice of initial offer, too. L3 was in early but did and said little. G4's offer will offer some focus in a new direction.

I do actually like the broad strokes of the treanding-towards-consensus reads I'm seeing. I actually like all the active gentlemen fairly well, G3, G4, and G6 all Townleaning for me.

I don't particularly like this slot

[Gentleman 5]

Me. It hit me wrong.

What about it? You think it was overly conciliatory?

Let's let the lady speak without supplying her with answers.

Not sure if I lack reads because I'm distracted -- having a weird af day today friends -- or because of the nonmemorable names.

Gentleman 3 is now Crowman. I can do Dawn and Misty. Is Lady 9's avatar Celeste? Lady 2 can be... Eyes? 7 will just have to be 7, hope no one else is a number.

Me. It hit me wrong.

What about it? You think it was overly conciliatory?

Let's let the lady speak without supplying her with answers.

Is this a real thoight?

Do you think people routinely point out a post that bugged them and need an answer supplied to them?

I mean posts do bug me sometimes and I don’t know why, but still this reaction feels weird.

Valid point. I don't know why I posted that.

I have a bad habit of butting into conversations. I'll try to stop.

Speaking of being overly conciliatory.

I'm so sorry for being conciliatory. Is there anything I can do to make it up to you?

I read Dawn's posts while pretending the smileys weren't there and I now like them. Also, this is weak but don't think using them is a quality scum tactic at first glance. It's bound to rub some the wrong way.

@Lady 9 (My nicknames aren't going to stick, are they? I'm getting used to it.)

You may hate this, as you seem like an analytical player, but I buy these as genuinely at ease posts. Specifically, 21 and 24, and now 84 as well. I like 106 too, as the tonal slip speaks of someone who's not overthinking their posts.

I only take this much issue with gut reads when I think that they're scummy and I think that there's a certain kind of defensiveness in your response to me that makes me think that you're even more scummy.

You've done a poor job of explaining what is scummy about it.

I very dislike this slot

[Gentleman 5]

Like I'd probably go as far to say I don't think she should get a partner

[Gentleman 5]

F in the chat for Dannflor

[Gentleman 5]

WoW I really dont like the ladies

[Gentleman 5]

Lady 7 is... ok a best

[Gentleman 5]

Gentleman 6 is town but that's obvious

[Gentleman 5]

Yeah I need a better Kougami avi

[Gentleman 5]

I read ladies 8 and 9 but have no read on them

[Gentleman 5]

Gentleman 3 is probably town

[Gentleman 5]

I messed that up three times.

dance with me lady 3

Don't accept that yet

[Gentleman 5]

I think you're town for what you're doing G4 but I don't appreciate it at all.

[Gentleman 5]

Wow uh

[Gentleman 5]

That was quick.

[Gentleman 5]

Hi.

I've been busy, I plan on getting to this tonight.

[Gentleman 5]

I don't understand. Every time you post about G5 all I can think of is that they must be hella vocal in your scum pt for you to hold these opinions.

I wish

I am convinced that G5 is gonna save this game with a combination of activity and four word posts.

I wish.

I hope L2 is a good dancer. I have two left feet sadly.

[Gentleman 5]

You missed an opportunity to make that a four word post.

Im exceeding expectations. Yall should be happy.

I need to stop fluffing. More coming tonight

[Gentleman 5]

Im reading and checking some things again. Getting a food break.

I dont to state anything just yet until I double check everything.

If you have questions I need to answer, hmu

[Gentleman 5]

G5 I just explained.

L5, I guess it's just that she's spitting out a lot of information in a way that doesn't really seem planned or controlled. It's not that there aren't people who do this as scum but most of the time that carefree, say-what-you-feel attitude is town.

Unless you want me to answer 776, youre going to have to explain to me like im dumb. Apologies.

[Gentleman 5]

Ok fuck it.

Without stating reasons at this time, I think either L8 or L5 shouldnt be dancing. I may sheep L9 until I get bored. Im thinking the setup is 2L/1G right now, but guessing the scumteam at this time would be detrimental until we get pairings. I Already stated my opinion on who should get left out.

With ICs permission I will be moving towards asking someone to dance.

I hope yall are ready, Im taking the reigns of the most active gentleman in the game; ladies I hope you can handle me.

[Gentleman 5]

Why are people listening to you and not me?

I am town reading G3 and L9.

That's it.

However I am thinking I should match with scum.

Why is G3 town?

[Gentleman 5]

Personally, I feel outting townreads are a bad idea until dance time, but thats just me?

[Gentleman 5]

Not just you

You thinking of grinding with Rick?

[Gentleman 5]

I think youre too good for him.

[Gentleman 5]

Actually im retracting my previous statement, because L1 and L6 havent posted much.

Lets starts some controversy.

Lady 5, care to dance with me?

Misty will be my biggest regret though

[Gentleman 5]

I have a soft spot, who knew.

I thought I made it clear in those two posts imo

[Gentleman 5]

Personally, I feel outting townreads are a bad idea until dance time, but thats just me?

Wait, why is outing townreads a bad idea? I'm of the opinion that we should get a strong towncore--of course, this does depend on our ability to keep scum out. I don't really see the advantage of hiding them?

Again, I think its better not to out town reads until we dance, as we have to factor the pairs. We can only scumhunt in ladies right now and theres the possibility that all 8 of them could be town.

All we can do is pick a lady to dance with, for whatever reason you want, and hope the person you scumread gets left out. In my case, Im hoping the lady getting kicked out is L8,L6, or L1. Im willing to keep L5 close. Maybe its her bubbly personality ^_^

I have a soft spot, who knew.

I thought I made it clear in those two posts imo

I'm more confused mow than I was previously.

Im scumreading L8. L1 and 6 are also good options based on activity.

Everyone else can live to see the dance. I explained why im willing to keep L5 above, but to be more specific, I think theres a possibility im reading her wrong at this time and am willing to spend time to get a better read on her.

[Gentleman 5]

I was thinking of asking L3 out, but thats rude.

Rick Grimes is my bro, bros dont do that.

G6, I think your p-edit is a bad one.

[Gentleman 5]

I don't. 1 and 6 are either going to start posting or get replaced. 5's posting gives me a headache and I think they're above average scum equity.

Fortunately for your sake, im not scum, but I appreciate your comments.

As for 1 and 6, last time I checked, people were scumreading me yesterday for my activity so....

[Gentleman 5]

I don't. 1 and 6 are either going to start posting or get replaced. 5's posting gives me a headache and I think they're above average scum equity.

I think 8 may be a better scum pick.

I agree with you with 5s posting, but im willing to let it go today.

[Gentleman 5]

Ok.

I have hesitance on scumreading L5, but I dont intend on showing my hand just yet, as I want to see how the pairings go first. As L5 wont be back til Friday, I want to see how the other pairs go for now.

[Gentleman 5]

The way you're defending her makes me want her dead more and you next if she's scum.

Deal.

[Gentleman 5]

Mr IC:

I already said that earlier.

Someone is getting voted off the island no matter what, so we have to “scumhunt” in ladies for sure today.

[Gentleman 5]

The way you're defending her makes me want her dead more and you next if she's scum.

This feels overly hostile. Most slots are town and can have real life interfere.

I will point it out for the record I would dance with my scummate as scum. But shhhhhhhh let him carry on.

Time to get cracking. Will someone talk to me so I am not rambling alone in the late night hours?

What took you so long to get in here? Are you caught up in the game? Which Lady doesnt deserve a man?

[Gentleman 5]

My, my, my.

What's a boy to do in a place like this?

I think the clear choice for me is to make a ruckus.

What's my dance card look like? Cause poppi's got his dancing shoes on and im ready to step on some toes.

2 got paired up with 9 whom I am not sure is town

1 I am leaning but not concrete that they are town.
3 is up in the air.
4 I think is town but want to see more from the replacement.
5 I'm not liking.
6 is town!
7 I think is town.
8 I don't remember.

Hmmmmm, interesting reads my friend.

After 30 pages I would have expected something more... concrete?

[Gentleman 5]

So L1 and L5, got ya.

Happy to have you aboard, please find an avi at the most appropriate time and i wish you the best of luck in finding a partner.

You may even be able to get your fellow 6 to soften up a little, he seems so rough around the edges.

P-Edit: who are you asking that to? Yourself?

[Gentleman 5]

Alright, I feel better now.

So, who wants to talk shop by the punch bowl?

Hi, im going to bed. Youre IC and you are partnered with L9, reasons either unknown or mentioned prior. Rest is up to you.

G6 - Follow your heart m8

[Gentleman 5]

Why THE FUCK did I read 9 ladies and 8 gentlemen last night? Lol

That means we have to atleast scumhunt in gentlemen, and oh boy thats going to be interesting.

Lady 5, while looking back, I think youre posting has been suspect, but I admit im not entirely confident youre flipping mafia. Im willing to take a chance. Ive seen some associations that make me think youre townie.

As for why you over L2, I was never intending on dancing with L2, that was a joke post.

[Gentleman 5]

Why THE FUCK did I read 9 ladies and 8 gentlemen last night? Lol

That means we have to atleast scumhunt in gentlemen, and oh boy thats going to be interesting.

What?

Don't do drugs, kids.

Have lettuce instead.

[Gentleman 5]

If there's an S-S pair in the process of happening here it is G5-L5. Neither of them is making any sense on the subject.

^_^

[Gentleman 5]

Why do people honestly think scum would ever pair up with scum?

Other than being a stupidly ballsy gambit, its against scum wincon, no?

[Gentleman 5]

Hi, I'm catching up. The site has been really bad lately so it's hard to load pages.

Without stating reasons at this time, I think either L8 or L5 shouldnt be dancing.

Do you actually have reasoning for this? I'd like to at least play First Dance before dying.

Then we have different opinions on the matter.

Personally, I feel outting townreads are a bad idea until dance time, but thats just me?

Wait, why is outing townreads a bad idea? I'm of the opinion that we should get a strong towncore--of course, this does depend on our ability to keep scum out. I don't really see the advantage of hiding them?

Again, I think its better not to out town reads until we dance, as we have to factor the pairs.

We can only scumhunt in ladies right now and theres the possibility that all 8 of them could be town.

Is this a town-slip? All of dance games have been 1:2 or 2:1 for scum ratios.

Gamblers Fallacy says this setup will most likely be 1:2 or 2:1

[Gentleman 5]

Is this a town-slip? All of dance games have been 1:2 or 2:1 for scum ratios.

That's just a coincidence.

Hey you.

Yeah you.

You town?

[Gentleman 5]

8 I don't remember.

You literally town-read me and the fact that you forgot makes me think you're town with limited knowledge. Scum wouldn't fuck up their reads this bad.

This is true, but youre not getting any townpoints for stating the obvious.

Those are my gentlemen reads, not lady reads.

I still think you're town but you're not active enough to be a good pair for me right now.

Assuming youre talking about L8, I just feel youre spiting me at this point.

[Gentleman 5]

Please do not make assumptions about what is surely a random setup.

I just liked the dude, lol. This post alone tells me you're not an improvement and we probably aren't going to get along.

Forgive me for not giving a shit. I'm not into popsicle chicks anyways, have fun standing on the sidelines watching us cool kids dance.

I don't think I've done anything to merit this attitude.

First part is dumb.

Second part, lol, you called him “not an improvement”

[Gentleman 5]

Please do not make me hate this game.

Hun, dont be so thin skinned

[Gentleman 5]

I do feel like G2 is roleplaying as such ironically, I do wish people respected the fact that L4 isn't enjoying the shtick and stopped it.

Is it that big a deal?

Hey you.

Yeah you.

You town?

Yes.

Had a rough couple of days and the site habitually being godawful didn't help.

K

[Gentleman 5]

Pros of dating me:
Always willing to consider other perspectives
Funny
Town and able to show it
Trying my best

Cons of dating me:
So-so at scumhunting
Wishy-washy
High variance in play quality between games
Two left feet

Yawn.


Right now I feel as if I got left on read L5. You really mess with my anxiety ya know.

[Gentleman 5]

I need to start reading the gentlemen.

For some reason I find them harder to read than the ladies.

[Gentleman 5]

I would just love it if we could not do alt guesses at all. Meta is a shifty beast in the first place, and vastly worse here. Also, for the spirit of the game.

This deserves a pagetop.

@G6: I should townread G3, but I dont. Idk why. 4 reads to me as irrelevant town at this point. I think youre town. Everyone else hasnt stuck to me yet (G2 is IC)

[Gentleman 5]

Is this a town-slip? All of dance games have been 1:2 or 2:1 for scum ratios.

How would this be a townslip?

Lack of knowledge of setup?

Whats your point your trying to prove? That im town because of setup spec?

[Gentleman 5]

I would just love it if we could not do alt guesses at all. Meta is a shifty beast in the first place, and vastly worse here. Also, for the spirit of the game.

This deserves a pagetop.

@G6: I should townread G3, but I dont. Idk why. 4 reads to me as irrelevant town at this point. I think youre town. Everyone else hasnt stuck to me yet (G2 is IC)

Bolded is my response to G4. I guess I have G6 on my mind.

Back when you were Rick, your posts seemed to have nothing of import, but townie enough that I put you in the townie pile and moved on.

As with G3, his activity and honest posting from the begining was good, and yet I dont want to put him down as town yet. It warrants a closer look later

[Gentleman 5]

Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

You hate to see it.

Gentleman 5 would help with pushing my scum Reads but I’d have trouble trusting him at least in the beginning as he’s not my Lock Town where I can say with 100% confidence that Gentleman 3 is Town.
Me and Him can share are Reads and make stronger solving.

Hey FakeGod, am I allowed to retract my invite?

[Gentleman 5]

Can you give this shtick a rest?

Oh hell no.

I rarely ever have the ability to play the way I want to play without risk of being scum read for it.

I am town and unimpuningly so. This is where my gloves come off and you are going to get what you get.

Robbnva?

In all seriousness, I hope you plan on being useful during the dance. Your attitude is shit but what makes it worse is that you dont look to be contributing towards the gamestate.

[Gentleman 5]

Can we please stop with the altguesses? It would really suck if he started force replacing due to it.

No RC, we cant.

Gentleman 5 would help with pushing my scum Reads but I’d have trouble trusting him at least in the beginning as he’s not my Lock Town where I can say with 100% confidence that Gentleman 3 is Town.
Me and Him can share are Reads and make stronger solving.

... I want to leave this out. [Gordon Ramsay impression] I just don't get it.

I am distraught now about the possible pairings I'm looking down the barrel of. G1 might be my best option now.

What do you think of L8 and L2?

[Gentleman 5]

Whats your favorite kind of salad?

[Gentleman 5]

I feel like we havent heard from L9 in forever.

That pairing of G2-L9 lost its luster when G2 outted.

[Gentleman 5]

I can still work with L5, for reasons.

But I share the sentiment with L4 that her previous post was bad.

[Gentleman 5]

Gentleman 5 would help with pushing my scum Reads but I’d have trouble trusting him at least in the beginning as he’s not my Lock Town where I can say with 100% confidence that Gentleman 3 is Town.
Me and Him can share are Reads and make stronger solving.

This reads to me as something I would say in a scum PT. Like something I would ask my scumbuddies before accepting the proposal. Given her hesitance, It makes me wonder.

I think L8 is mafia, I dont think L5 can be mafia with L8 given their interactions imo, so I may have to check into my reads of both.

[Gentleman 5]

G5, you can invite another Lady and hope she accepts instead of/before L5 does, if you'd rather work with someone else, right?

Doesn’t make sense though, because couldnt i just ask everyone then at the same time?

I’m willing to give you some townie points tho for the comment

[Gentleman 5]

Gent 5 pair with lady 7?

Why 7?

[Gentleman 5]

Gentleman 5 would help with pushing my scum Reads but I’d have trouble trusting him at least in the beginning as he’s not my Lock Town where I can say with 100% confidence that Gentleman 3 is Town.
Me and Him can share are Reads and make stronger solving.

This reads to me as something I would say in a scum PT. Like something I would ask my scumbuddies before accepting the proposal. Given her hesitance, It makes me wonder.

L4, does this align with your thoughts?

And if you read 7 more townie than 5 you should pair with her because 7 is going to end up with a weaker gent and can die bc of that

Ive been reading 7 as town, shes probably right up there too.

[Gentleman 5]

Honestly, theres alot I could say about L5 not accepting the proposal.

I thought she would have accepted that asap since people scumread her and probably have her pinned as a first target.

Im not sure how that makes me feel ie her alignment

[Gentleman 5]

Hmm

3
7/1
8

Of the ones left.

Can you clarify this statment please?

L4, does this align with your thoughts?

I can read it that way. I'm not sure if her posting it in the thread instead is a plus or a minus, though. I'm also having some major ??? at the idea of G3 being 100% town. I'd feel this way about anyone being labeled 100% town, but especially him.

Maybe I should dance with the lettuce lady.

Im a BIG sucker for those stories where the two people who dont like each other come together and find out they were meant for each other in the end

[Gentleman 5]

Keep going

[Gentleman 5]

Gentleman 5 would help with pushing my scum Reads but I’d have trouble trusting him at least in the beginning as he’s not my Lock Town where I can say with 100% confidence that Gentleman 3 is Town.
Me and Him can share are Reads and make stronger solving.

This reads to me as something I would say in a scum PT. Like something I would ask my scumbuddies before accepting the proposal. Given her hesitance, It makes me wonder.

I think L8 is mafia, I dont think L5 can be mafia with L8 given their interactions imo, so I may have to check into my reads of both.

L5 are you just going to ignore this as well?

[Gentleman 5]

That pairing of G2-L9 lost its luster when L9 started posting.

FTFY.

Ooooooooh Explain this one!

This reads to me as something I would say in a scum PT.

???

Oooooooooh I thought I explained this one!

Maybe I should dance with the lettuce lady.

Im a BIG sucker for those stories where the two people who dont like each other come together and find out they were meant for each other in the end

Not a good idea, if you both are town one of you would probably end up walking out on the other like a bonehead.

Im not sure why you think this. Im a reasonable guy, just need to call her pretty and make her feel wanted. Its gentleman 101

[Gentleman 5]

Why do you feel L9 hasnt been towny. Any specifics?

I ask because I think she is my top townread

[Gentleman 5]

Oooooooooh I thought I explained this one!

Did you? I don't think it's normal for scum to post reads in the scum PT as though they really believe them.

I assume they are discussing who they should pair with or who is a good person to dance with.

People in the scum PT could be like

“dont partner with G5 since hes probably getting lynched early or plans on leaving right away”

or something similar.

I just see that as her reasoning on why or why not to accept, it rubs me the wrong way.

She's clearly a strong player; she's playing solidly, outing reads, asking questions, but there's nothing there that reads as specifically motivated by solving rather than motivated by keeping up the appearance of solving-- it could easily be either one.

Pushing the game forward in the early game like she has is a plus for me.

I really dont like her activity post-accept though. I know its only been a day and a half but still. Odd

[Gentleman 5]

People in the scum PT could be like “dont partner with G5 since hes probably getting lynched early or plans on leaving right away” or something similar.

But that's not at all what she said.

Look at that post again.

Im saying it reads as something I would expect in a scum pt. It doesnt feel right. I dont know what more I can say.

Pushing the game forward in the early game like she has is a plus for me.

Ehh. I don't really think pushing the game forward is that towny in a game where deepwolfing is everything.

Unless I know the person via meta or personal expierences, Im intending to townread her for it, but again, her disappearance has me worried.

[Gentleman 5]

I... this might be a question that just goes unanswered, but if you have a response, I'd love to hear it; what about Gentleman 3's early posting seemed honest to you?

Speaking of G4, I dont think I answered this as I went to bed.

I cant give you specifics but I thought like L9, G3 stayed pretty active and i thought the posting looked good.

[Gentleman 5]

Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

The degree to which my head is in the same space as yours this game is remarkable.

I’ll laugh if g4 and l8 are scum together and g4 manipulated g6 away from town and to his partner.

(I dont endorse this or anything, just thought it was funny)

I want to ask you something further, Gentleman 5, but I can't put my finger on what it is. If you manage to think of it, I'd be very grateful.?

I dont want two out anything at this time, sorry.

[Gentleman 5]

You know, for 44 pages in, there seems to be alot of uncertainty for reads.

I mean, theres a reason/excuse I, G2, and maybe one or two other have, but the rest of yall idk what to think.

[Gentleman 5]

L5 still ignoring the hard questions. Obviously you have eyes for G3 so can you decline my offer so I can make my next move?

[Gentleman 5]

This wont work, but lets try it because Im bored.

Lady 4, care to dance?

P-edit: we dont know that, i doubt that the above works.

[Gentleman 5]

But in that case couldnt a gentleman ask all the ladies in one post?

Seems detrimental

[Gentleman 5]

Lady 7 needs a partner!

Theres still single dudes chill.

Or maybe I should throw an invite out since Im such a whore

[Gentleman 5]

L7, thoughts on L3 trying to get you to the dance?

[Gentleman 5]

Lady 6 is going to die anyways and flipping 6 right now isn't going to do much especially since we have a limited time with ic pairing probs

Holy forkballs! Just what makes you think you can control all the lynches and be certain I'll be mislynched?

*eyes bulging*

Well when your thread presence is almost zero you are going to be dead

Maybe its your redemption arc.

I dont feel like being anyones favorite beside maybe L4.

But ummm, theres some useful tidbits in there. 1120 is a good point. She needs to talk a little bit more about 1116 and 1117

[Gentleman 5]

Hello. I am glad to arrive at this ball. Will a smashing gentleman steal my heart?

I'm a watt?

This is just too good. Well played, both of you.

I'm afraid not. Older Harry is a Joule of my eye.

Time to get cracking. Will someone talk to me so I am not rambling alone in the late night hours?

L6 can you give me the purpose of the above please. I dont see it, they look “flowery, pointless posts, or spam”

[Gentleman 5]

You know, for 44 pages in, there seems to be alot of uncertainty for reads.

I mean, theres a reason/excuse I, G2, and maybe one or two other have, but the rest of yall idk what to think.

That is because a lot of the posting is grandstanding, roleplaying, alt guessing and spam. If we're all more deliberate with our posting, we'll all be more readable.

Can I argue that those are AI?

[Gentleman 5]

L6, my mistress.

Have thoughts on L8 and L9?

[Gentleman 5]

L3 is starting to really look controlling.

Its a bad look, hun

[Gentleman 5]

Sucks to suck but when my townreads aren't looking to pair with my townreads I have to be more active.

I think its coming off wrong though.

Like i said, looks bad, like trying to fit round pegs in square poles

[Gentleman 5]

L6, my mistress.

Have thoughts on L8 and L9?

Please dont miss this L6 please

[Gentleman 5]

Actually, I dunno if L6 is scum.

^

L5 and L8 deserve to die before L6 imo.

I can dig this chicks vibe. Not sold on town, but Ill play.

[Gentleman 5]

If that's a setup for a future push it's the shittiest, bluntest one I've ever seen.

*shrug* Figures that the slots I suggest have wierd posts call me arrogant and use general labels such as "scumposting" rather than reply to my observations or request clarification (like gentleman 5 does). This is particularly useful since you only wanted to use a widely accepted dance pairing.

Scumposting

AtE yes. Aggressive yes. Buddying yes

Scumposting? Im not seeing it, my herbivore friend.

[Gentleman 5]

The Lady 8 scum reads don't make sense to me.

I also don't think that forgiving Lady 6 just because she plays like she's got binoculars glued to her eyes is the best course of action either. Too scummy to be scum is rarely an argument, I think.

Ill go into it more if she ends up at the dance.

Tunnel Vision is usually a town issue. I take more issue with L3’s commanding than I do L6 at this time, but...

Actually, I dunno if L6 is scum.

^

L5 and L8 deserve to die before L6 imo.

I can dig this chicks vibe. Not sold on town, but Ill play.

I don't think Lady 8 should die. I think Lady 3-5 and G4 have at least 2 scum.

If I had to guess the last scum, it would be G1 or G8 although I would want it to be G6 because he was an ass earlier.

Nopenopenopenopenopenope. Do not pass go. Do not collect $200. You lost me.

That said, the post above seems townie though, as I feel those reads are reactionary rather than actual reads imo.

[Gentleman 5]

No one has called you arrogant, Lady 6.

Where was Gentleman 6 an ass?

The dude is/was going to death tunnel me if I danced with L5.

Not an ass, but rood.

[Gentleman 5]

I want to point out that it looks like she's calling almost half the game scum here and that doesn't necessarily seem

No. I have been calling Ladies 3,4, and 5 scum with Gentleman 1 or 8 and you. That is not almost half the game. No where near. It needs a little filtering down but is not a wild, reactionary list.

6 seems a bit much.

@G4, very good answers, i agree with you, but I think L6 is playing reactionary at this time.

Talk to me about L3, do you think directing townreads to join up like she wants is a pro-town move?

[Gentleman 5]

@G4, very good answers, i agree with you, but I think L6 is playing reactionary at this time.

You break my heart G5.

Im trying to help you actually. I dont think you are scum.

Had this be a game where our identities were known, I would tell you from expierence what you are doing right now is going to end with you flipping town early and bitching in the dead thread about how you were right all along.

Stop posting for now, take a deep breath and relax.

I plan on getting more from you later but right now youre digging a hole.

P-Edit: Please stop. Wtf is this

[Gentleman 5]

G4, if you need to cool your head fine. But when you come back, I have a question for you that needs to be discussed.

[Gentleman 5]

Talk to me about L3, do you think directing townreads to join up like she wants is a pro-town move?

[Gentleman 5]

Im sorry I forgot L3 is with G4. That kinda lowers the importance of the question, but I still want and answer and it diffuses the ongoing situation that was going nowhere.

I plan on eating supper and answering G4/L6’s responses and anything else that pops up but I dont plan on spending tonight posting as much after that.

[Gentleman 5]

L9, G2 was replaced out. We now have a new G2 that isnt as effective as the original

[Gentleman 5]

Talk to me about L3, do you think directing townreads to join up like she wants is a pro-town move?

With the exception of a few of her posts, I've supported almost everything L3 has been doing. I personally prefer to try to stay more hands off, but I understand and agree with several of the moves she's made.

I think that especially since several people have remarked on their uncertainty as to who to match with and who to avoid, having additional sources of input is rarely anti-town, especially because she hasn't been particularly spammy about it, and if she's scum she's just making more associatives for later. I would have expected scum to try to be more sneaky about it - or to not try to do it at all. Especially in the first phase of the game I very much expect scum to try to see who can stand on their own two legs and who can make it for themselves, especially because we don't know each other and I doubt we will be allowed to share who our mains are in our PTs - I expect the same is in the scum PT. I don't think they want to risk themselves for a player that might not be able to get through the first phase of the game and often enough when you lose one or two scum on day 1, you see the game end in a mafia win. For these reasons I expect her style to come from town for the most part.

L3, in your perfect world, who would be partnered?

I still feel L3s tone on the matter is off.

———————-

@G4, very good answers, i agree with you, but I think L6 is playing reactionary at this time.

You break my heart G5.

Im trying to help you actually. I dont think you are scum.

Had this be a game where our identities were known, I would tell you from expierence what you are doing right now is going to end with you flipping town early and bitching in the dead thread about how you were right all along.

Stop posting for now, take a deep breath and relax.

I plan on getting more from you later but right now youre digging a hole.

P-Edit: Please stop. Wtf is this

You can help me by helping me find a partner. I'm trying to help town see scum, not over posting, while dealing with their collective attacks. I'm not going to sugarcoat this that I feel most people have made their alignments obvious this game now.

Youre not getting a partner right now if you kept posting the way you were. I personally think you should get one over 5 and 8 for sure.

How do you think that most peoples alignments are obvious when you admitted earlier there was alot of fluff and bullshit earlygame and also we have some people that havent really posted much like L1 for example?

Do you feel that some of your reads were reactionary to their reactions to your post?

[Gentleman 5]

I'm coming around on L7.

G6 possibly changing his mind is most of the reason I havent accepted my offer.

Hmmmmm?

[Gentleman 5]

Gent 2 - Lady 1

Gent 6 - Lady 3
Gent 4 - Lady 9
Gent 1 - Lady 7

Gent 5 - Lady 4
Gent 3 - Lady 2
Gent 7 - Lady 8

Gent 8 - Lady 6

Lady 5

What changed from wanting me and l7?

[Gentleman 5]

G1, G7, and G8 are not active gentlemen. L1 isnt really here either.

G2 - L9
G3 ???
G4 - L3
G5 - L4/L5
G6 - L8/L7?

Assuming I get my salad on and G6 would change to L7, I would personally want to see G3 take L2

That leaves the inactive Gs with L1, L5, and L6 and L8

(If G6 takes L8, then G3 should take L7 and then it would be L1,2,5,6.)

Can we agree or work on this format for now?

[Gentleman 5]

I'm coming around on L7.

G6 possibly changing his mind is most of the reason I havent accepted my offer.

Hmmmmm?

Something on your mind?

Are you cheating on me with my rival G6?

[Gentleman 5]

My reasoning:

Assuming all gentlemen are here and dance, they will all be at the dance. That means one lady is out by default.

We have 3 inactive gentlemen so the pairings wont be as strong, that means we should leave the weakest ladies with those gentlemen for now. L1 and L6 arent getting a partner for now; the other two slots are up for debate. I think Im being ignored by G6 but I perfer L7 to have a partner compared to L8, and G3 regardless of your read, is here, and deserves to take a lady who is worth dancing with.

With the exception of L8, who people townread, Im sure no one will object leaving L1/5/6 out at this time.

[Gentleman 5]

Im done for tonight. Best of luck to yall.

[Gentleman 5]

Good morning.

I am assuming either some of yall are overseas or dont sleep because wtf.

Anyways I skimmed through the new stuff and idk if making comments on any of it matters. Im not sure why G3 is stalling his proposal when hes the last active gentleman in the game, idk why hes crying about people telling him who to pair up (if he pairs with L5, hes getting speedlynched tomorrow). Idk why L7 is even posting? Some good tidbits from G6. Im fine with L3 going vla for the rest of predance as long as G4 is ok with that and she still answers questions directed to her. Also glad to see L6 turning it around for some people atleast.

G3 needs to make a proposal today. At this point we are all just standing around waiting for replacements so lets get something done today

[Gentleman 5]

G3 should be giving L2 or L6 a proposal. L7 probably lost her guarantee last night.

[Gentleman 5]

I'm reading. I'm trying to commit to at least one catchup a day.

Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

I accept.

That was fast. In fact thats the first thing L8 mentions: making sure shes going to the next round.

G6: You mentioned it after you made the proposal but Id like to ask you again - do you think your pairing is T-T?

[Gentleman 5]

I'm reading. I'm trying to commit to at least one catchup a day.

Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

I accept.

That was fast. In fact thats the first thing L8 mentions: making sure shes going to the next round.

G6: You mentioned it after you made the proposal but Id like to ask you again - do you think your pairing is T-T?

Add to that L8 - why did you accept that so fast?

[Gentleman 5]

(if he pairs with L5, hes getting speedlynched tomorrow)

Orly?

L5 is the only person who's put an ounce of thought into what will happen after I pair.

Everyone else refuses to do it and is just saying "make a decision already" without telling me how they will respond to what decision I make, as though I don't deserve to know that in order to factor it into my decision.

Which, btw, is something I know L5 won't do.

I am concerned that G3 seems extra concerned about how he’s being read and wants to gauge how his potential partner is being read too

This is, or should be, the entire point of pairing. Townreads with townreads, nulls with nulls, scumreads with scumreads, then eliminate them generally from the bottom up.

But there's no consensus on me. And nobody is endeavoring to form one. They're trying to use my pair to determine their read on me, which is backwards.

Then ask L5??????????

This is stalling, you know it, I know it. Theres over 50 pages of information, you should have some semblence of who to pick at this point.

[Gentleman 5]

I think there is a reason why you havent picked L5.

Is it because you dont townread her, or because you both are scum?

[Gentleman 5]

I think there is a reason why you havent picked L5.

Is it because you dont townread her, or because you both are scum?

Why are you indirectly shading and pressuring G3 rather than just outright stating you think he should partner with L5?

I dont want L5 partnered with anyone. But its obvious she wants G3 and G3 only wants to pair with her so whats the holdup.

[Gentleman 5]

Here, I'll explain what my thoughts have been. That might help work this out.

L2 hasn't been on my radar till recently, 1258 specifically. I think L4 is right that she's definitely readable, though I myself have a hard time with that style. If I were to pair with her, it would be

to make sure she can live for a while.

L5 locktowns me and has expressed a lot of interest in solving me. That would make our pair very unified-- we live or die based solely on people's reads of her... unfortunately, I'm in a similar boat as with me in that there doesn't seem to be a consensus on her. I thought she was towny but as I mentioned before, pocketing isn't out of the question. If I were to pair with her, it would be

because she townreads me and won't ever leave the dance.

L6 I haven't read much of, what I've read has been fine, but she seems to be pretty townread. If I were to pair with her, it would be

because people have suggested that pairing.

L7 used to be my strongest townread. She isn't anymore. I'm not going to pair with her. But when I was considering it, it was because

I was most confident she was town.

And finally, a fifth consideration. Without giving away too much, one time I previously played this setup, I had a similar choice, and I went back and forth and back and forth in my head and decided on exactly the wrong option. As previously mentioned, I am bad at this game. And mafia is a team game. So I want help from my team.

Oof the survivability makes me want to throw up.

“Im only picking L5 as long as she doesnt leave”

Why do you think people plan on leaving? If the person planning on leaving is town, then Im sure they will mention it to the group before going all suicidal. If the person leaving is mafia, means they were pressured and worried they were getting offed, or they were trying to silence a town voice.

[Gentleman 5]

Why do you think people plan on leaving?

It is a tradition in this setup for people to leave for stupid, petty reasons.

By which I mean people are (a) impulsive, (b) intoxicated by the power of being able to immediately kill someone, and (c) bad at calculating why it's mathematically not a good idea to leave.

Lol. Town shouldnt do it impulsively and I think you are being too worried about the leave mechanic.

Oof the survivability makes me want to throw up.

Also um... you realize that townies need to survive for town to win? If I'm going to be lynched anyway, it doesn't matter who I pair with. It only matters if people won't lynch me, and in that case I want a town partner who won't walk out on me.

People die in mafia, if you worry too much about living youre not going anywhere mate.

[Gentleman 5]

Thats alot of posts with no context.

[Gentleman 5]

People die in mafia, if you worry too much about living youre not going anywhere mate.

This is a non sequitur that I think pretends to be an actual argument? Can you rephrase this in more formal terms, i.e. tell me exactly what your premises and conclusion are?

I just think you are too worried about leaving. Its not coming off as a town look to me.

Thats alot of posts with no context.

Well, yeah. But I just wanted to illustrate that it does happen.

Im sure it does, but context matters. Like why they decided to leave. Do you want to tell me all those you quoted were spur of the moment moves?

[Gentleman 5]

Why is that something I might

fake

concern for as scum, but for which I'd be less likely to really have concern for as town?

What are the odds that I don't think leaving is REALLY a big issue for town, but I'm scum and I'm pretending I do, because I think it will bring me some advantage?

I dont think youre faking the fear of leaving.

You want to make it to endgame, im starting to think its because youre scum.

We all have the risk of getting left at the table. Its part of the game. I just dont think people are going to randomly leave unless they are scum, and even then.

[Gentleman 5]

G3 if you pair up with someone that you later read as scum, would you leave?

[Gentleman 5]

Ive said a few times now, Ill say it again.

This just reads to me as scum worried about getting offed prematurely. Theres just way too much thought going into G3’s partner leaving.

The survivalism is looking to be really bad, almost to the point I have to wonder why he joined the game if he was worried about a mechanic that he knew was bad for his playstyle

[Gentleman 5]

Hello again, good citizens!

The volume of communication here is simply staggering, and I struggle to keep up, particularly while wearing this excellent and most efficacious mask, which, while handsome, leaves much to be desired for eye-holes.

I am entirely flexible with regard to a partner. I find most of the judgments discussed here premature. Either I am paired with a good and talented dancer, in which case I shall be delighted to waltz the night away, or I shall be paired with one who steps on toes and uses the wrong fork at dinner. In the latter case, I will be delighted to do the company a service and leave the dance with her. To wit, based on Gentleman 4's list,

Lady Lucky #7, will you dance with me?

I dont like this

[Gentleman 5]

That is to say I would like to hear much more from Gentleman 8, and I, too, will be severely disappointed if this is all he has to offer today.

I think it was reckless given he hasnt caught up and is just going by your post.

[Gentleman 5]

Screw it, I don't want L5 to have the opportunity to snipe me.

Dance with Gentleman 5

I like this pair. G5 felt pretty townie (also, did he change his image partway though, or was he replaced)?

Still hoping for G6/L7.

I got alot more active. Lets just keep it at that

[Gentleman 5]

That is to say I would like to hear much more from Gentleman 8, and I, too, will be severely disappointed if this is all he has to offer today.

What, exactly, would you like me to offer? I'm not reading 60 pages of nonsense pregame.

Why pick L7

[Gentleman 5]

That is to say I would like to hear much more from Gentleman 8, and I, too, will be severely disappointed if this is all he has to offer today.

What, exactly, would you like me to offer? I'm not reading 60 pages of nonsense pregame.

If you didn't read, how did you propose to L7? How would you have known to?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Gentleman 5]

That is to say I would like to hear much more from Gentleman 8, and I, too, will be severely disappointed if this is all he has to offer today.

What, exactly, would you like me to offer? I'm not reading 60 pages of nonsense pregame.

If you didn't read, how did you propose to L7? How would you have known to?

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Well, follow the implication of if he's scum to it's conclusion. Why L7 over L5 L6 (me) or L1?

I am a firm believer L1 should sit based on this.
L5 is the easy mislynch in this setup.
Then picking between L6 and me, L7 is further from being correct.

I was trying to catch him in the act.

He said nothings worth reading and yet he follows G4s instruction.

Yet who is G4? He doesnt know if G4 is town or scum? Why is he following him if he hasnt read? For all he knows, G4 is setting up lynches.

Also if he hasnt read yet, what if he scumreads L7 and wants her left out? Why propose blindly like he has?

[Gentleman 5]

What’s everyone’s Reads on me exactly?

You aren't townread enough for me/you to work out. I think it's pretty clear.

Why am I so not townread? I really don’t understand that.

If anything I’m Null.
If I’m scummy, explain why.

LOL. FUCKING LOL.

Ive asked questions and made comments that youve ignored. Pretty sure G4 did as well.

But yeah, youre null,

[Gentleman 5]

If I was scum I would have instantly accepted Gent 5’s proposal. Did you think of that?

Wifom.

Pretty sure theres a number of reasons as either alignment to instantly accept and/or wait.

[Gentleman 5]

You aren't townread enough for me/you to work out. I think it's pretty clear.

“Hey I need someone thats going to live, sorry toots.”

This does not come from a town perspective.

[Gentleman 5]

I think there is a reason why you havent picked L5.

Is it because you dont townread her, or because you both are scum?

Shading, no ones that bad.

It should be obvious that Gent 3 is Town.
As for me with the amount of shade on me do you honestly think I’m flipping scum here?

At first yes, I thought the shade on you was warrant enough to be hesitant on my scumread of you, mainly because I dont think you and L8 are mafia together.

However, I didnt like your posts post-proposal and expected a quicker response. Im fine with removing you from the game because your slot isnt towny enough imo to make it to the dance, let alone the next phase.

[Gentleman 5]

So you don't know why anyone scumreads you but you know there's "a lot of shade on you?"

Are you familiar with the idea that mafia requires a majority to lynch and sometimes lynchees are scum? It seems like you think anyone widely suspected is always town.

In conclusion, zzzz this slot.

Can we agree it needs to go?

[Gentleman 5]

“Hey I need someone thats going to live, sorry toots.”

This does not come from a town perspective.

Have you read a single thing I posted to G4?

Honestly, not really. I just saw that you got G4 to change his thought process.

I havent changed mine, you are way too worried about staying alive. The only townie that should have that mentality is the IC. The rest comes from scum.

[Gentleman 5]

What slip?

I have no idea what youre implying?

[Gentleman 5]

“Hey I need someone thats going to live, sorry toots.”

This does not come from a town perspective.

Have you read a single thing I posted to G4?

Honestly, not really. I just saw that you got G4 to change his thought process.

I havent changed mine, you are way too worried about staying alive. The only townie that should have that mentality is the IC. The rest comes from scum.

I love how you refuse to respond to my posts because you assume that I’ll get eliminated and no one noticed your little slip.

Its been 7 minutes. Jesus.

[Gentleman 5]

L5 didnt read my recent posts from yesterday obviously.

G3-L5 is the worse option for him, L2, 6, and 7 need to be paired first.

I dont control the town, I just know im going to leave my vote on G3-L5 tomorrow if that happens.

[Gentleman 5]

Lady 4 has been trying to shade me since the beginning

I literally came out the gate of this game defending you.

And I did the same fucking thing.

READ AND STOP POSTING.

Ive already said your play post proposal was bad, I have an Iso, use it.

[Gentleman 5]

L4, dont give her any info. She can go get it herself. Im not handholding

[Gentleman 5]

Speaking just for myself I've repeatedly criticized your refusal to explain reads and not making sense with several locktowns you arbitrarily picked out of the air, and you've not responded to any of it.

Gent 3’s been open with allot.

(Yep, doesnt mean its town though)

The first Gent to arrive.

(Doesnt mean anything)

His posts seem genuine and in a town’s eyes/prospective.

(Subjective, I think G4 was the one who thinks otherwise; I know someone did)

I never see his slot coming from town.

(???????)

Bolded is mine.

P-Edit: Look at the delicious AtE.

[Gentleman 5]

L5 dont replace out.

Its going to hurt the game.

[Gentleman 5]

Im done with G3.

Hes going to the dance no matter what, so I will just wait and see who goes with him and deal with him at the dance.

[Gentleman 5]

Im going to join with L3 and go on hiatus.

Nothing is going to get done anytime soon with people catching up/being replaced.

Get L2/6/7 a partner. Leave L1 and L5 to whoever.

[Gentleman 5]

@Mod

Is it possible to replace Out and grab someone to replace in?

Also someone who keeps the PFP and Town reads Gent 3.

The former comment is stupid, the latter is dumb.

Like this sounds against the rules.

[Gentleman 5]

L5 dont replace out.

Its going to hurt the game.

Well what am I suppose to do?
I’m playing like Garbage.
As well as the Wheel told me to replace Out.

Read the game and get back to us maybe?

[Gentleman 5]

If I can I’ll get an actual lady to sub into this slot.

Or even

@Mod

Is Hydra allowed?

Holy fuck you are asking for an altslip.

[Gentleman 5]

Yeah I’ll get her to replace in if she’s willing.

Idk, this just doesnt seem right. Idk

L1:

accept you are a sit candidate because of your slots activity. You have a hill to climb. I would start with some reads and which gentleman you want to court

[Gentleman 5]

I think I know who L5 is.

Spoiler: Not what you think it is

i think we need to nuke the slot.

[Gentleman 5]

he'd

Wait if we can do alternate genders Im pissed FG didnt give me a lady slot.

[Gentleman 5]

Gentleman 2 - Lady 9

Gentleman 4 - Lady 3

Gentleman 5 - Lady 4

Gentleman 6 -

Lady 8

Lady 5

Me gusta.

Which single gentleman would you like to pair with

[Gentleman 5]

he'd

Wait if we can do alternate genders Im pissed FG didnt give me a lady slot.

I requested the last slot in the game to get going.

Just roll with it. Save the anger for G4 L1 L4 and G8.

No me gusta. G8 though *thumbs up*

[Gentleman 5]

Dear Catherine,

Thank you for your time, I appreciate your timely response in such a hectic situation. We are currently dealing with a lady who is thinking of jumping off a ledge so as you probably know, never a dull moment haha.

I wish you the best in finding a date to the dance. Its pretty exclusive. Guess we will see what happens.

Sincerely,
Allen

[Gentleman 5]

Bullshit. You bc can do it.

I think I know who L5 is and who he'd invite. :/

I highly doubt you know this person.

I am her sooo.... Just play the game. Either town it up so you can partner with G3 or take your shot.

I'm trying to do both.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.

Fakegod, can we just remove L5 from play for outside game influence? This whole conversation seems... icky

[Gentleman 5]

Lady 1, you seem to have plenty of time to needle Lady 5 but no time to answer the question regarding which single gentleman you prefer.

She answered it.

Wasnt a good answer imo, but she did.

[Gentleman 5]

She usually pushed really hard so if anyone would be her it would be Lady 2 but as I said I doubt she is playing in this game.

Stop it.

[Gentleman 5]

Tonally G3 feels fine most of the time, but his discussion with G6 felt a bit too much based on semantics.

What can I say, semantics are important. Do you think my wanting people to say exactly what they mean reflects badly on me?

Not necessarily. Could just be a personality quirk, but the discussion over "sure" felt a bit pedantic, and I really don't want to get that discussion started again at all. If you had scum read him while having that discussion I'd be looking at you with a lot more squinty faces because that could be scum indicative. The fact that you town read him and said it was for clarification means that it could just be communication/personality clash. It stood out to me as a "not quite sure what to do with this" though.

I am really liking Jackpot's approach to solving at this point. I'd call her a solid town read.
My goal right now is to have a functional read list by the time I am caught up, and be ready to send a missive to my Lady of choice at that time as well.

Also if I am reading everything correctly, I get two 'lynches' worth of time / another 8 days before mafia get a 'kill' if I have matched a townie lady. So I think that is ample time to get some serious game solve happening.

I think an important question is to the ladies, given what I have said of my approach, who among you feels they are a strong hydra player / feels comfortable with me probably posting close to exclusively in the PT? I intend to lean heavily on my partner to help me parse the game and then form conclusions based on both an inevitable flip of either town or scum from my partner.

I am interested in how you plan to implement your suggested approach. You say you plan to base your conclusions of of the flip of the person you pair with. How do you intend to have that work out? I feel like logistically there is something amiss.

Actually, am I missing something?

When I think about it, isn't this just a case of finding one town lady to pair with the IC, and then...just no one else pairs up at all (Ideally we'd come up with backup pairs to organize at the last second in case scum tries to make a S/S pairing in the last minute). Although this sounds like it's starting to get really unfun.

How many of these games have you played before? This has been suggested often, but no solid method of executing this idea has ever been suggested.

To be honest I want to pair with L9 for reasons that aren't really related to mathematically optimizing the setup. I think it's probably a suboptimal pairing, but I don't really care.

Could it have been for what Dawn is proposing in some way?

Drop thr nicknames, please

[Gentleman 5]

G1 nicknames are a bad idea incase of profile changes/replacements.

Its going to make reading back a problem

[Gentleman 5]

Anyone else think theres confirmed scum in L8/L5? I do

[Gentleman 5]

G3, G8, L5/L8?


If it wasnt for inactive slots, Id like to say theres good chances for red in there.

[Gentleman 5]

I'm reading. I'm trying to commit to at least one catchup a day.

Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

I accept.

I'm reading. I'm trying to commit to at least one catchup a day.

Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

I accept.

That was fast. In fact thats the first thing L8 mentions: making sure shes going to the next round.

G6: You mentioned it after you made the proposal but Id like to ask you again - do you think your pairing is T-T?

Add to that L8 - why did you accept that so fast?

Uh, because I was already pretty insistent that I wanted to pair with G6 since like the start of the game?

I guess I'll be honest.

Truth is I'm not entirely sure that she's town and I think that if she is I'll be 100% sure to see it In a hood and if she's not I think I'll see it as well.

You should try to pick someone who you feel confident going to end game with.

G5 leaning town for short sharp reads which is something I usually will do as town this early in.

The only Gentleman I'd accept at this point is the Doctor aka Gentleman 6. All the other gentlemen have been lack luster, even Gentleman 2, the IC.

Im still not feeling L8.

Why do I feel shes “hollow?”

[Gentleman 5]

Lady 5 rolled scum tbh

<_> Lady 3 rolled Neutral.

Why would you make this post?

I think Lady 8 seems really cute, I'm not sure what it says about her alignment.

Your avatar.... hmm...

I'll keep thoughts about this till after the game.

^_^ What’s wrong with it?

Reminds me of someone (not the Doctor).

Well if the post came off scummy that’s entirely your point of view! ^_^
I seen it as a joke.
I didn’t think they were serious of their read so I didn’t feel a reason to take it seriously.
^_^
My bad if it came up bad, don’t shade me though based off of that.
Every Lady has an equal chance to get asked out! ^_^

I actually don't think it's scum indicative but I feel like it could of been interpreted as one.

Looking at the setup.
Isn’t it ideal for Gentleman 2 to choose a Lady that could be a Wolf.
That way they can’t kill him if they are a wolf or their lady partner dies.
On the other hand if they aren’t a wolf they just got rid of a miss Lynch target.

If I was Gentleman 2, my ideal play would be to do this. ^_^

No. This is extremely bad. Burn this post.

I dont know.... i want to keep piecing her iso and get something, but its not working.

[Gentleman 5]

I think Lady 8 seems really cute, I'm not sure what it says about her alignment.

Your avatar.... hmm...

I'll keep thoughts about this till after the game.

This post makes me think the G6-L8 pairing is not s-s.

I dont think its t-t.

[Gentleman 5]

Hi, I'm catching up. The site has been really bad lately so it's hard to load pages.

Without stating reasons at this time, I think either L8 or L5 shouldnt be dancing.

Do you actually have reasoning for this? I'd like to at least play First Dance before dying.

Isnt this about the same issue I gave G3 for being scum?

[Gentleman 5]

Anyone else think theres confirmed scum in L8/L5? I do

I don't believe in confirmed scum!

We’ll talk later.

I think I'm beginning to fall for my dance partner. This game is dangerous.

When G4 talks about L3, I do get uneasy.

[Gentleman 5]

I didnt think the old you was going to contribute towards the game, and I thought L3 deserved a better pairing at the time.

I think you are town, jury is out on L3 for me, your straight trust of L3 muddies the water for both of you. It seems too confident for my liking.

I mean if you catch my drift, it would really help my read of you, you know?

[Gentleman 5]

Is Lady 5 the consensus leave out?

No. I want L1 left out.

Why? Do you honestly think L1 has more of a chance to be red than L5?

I disagree with this btw.

Is Lady 5 the consensus leave out?

Who do you want out right now?

[Gentleman 5]

My guess on you being able to demolish this town if scum comes from your entrance then case/read on l4. Like your entrance was you getting some heat and being called reactive and defended yourself, then you drop in with a case on l4, which looks gooood.

Is no one else ever going to read that case closely enough to notice it's a horrible crock of shit and literally nonfactual? I have a hard time believing it's real it's so terrible.

I dont plan on it. Remind me in the PT

[Gentleman 5]

FakeGod, can we get a deadline or are we halted over replacements?

[Gentleman 5]

Lady 5 is AtE’ing all over the place.

This slot is fucked.

[Gentleman 5]

Sorry I’m playing like trash RN lol.
I’d vote myself out too.
When I first started I wasn’t that bad and anyone scumming me at that point I question.
The in the middle of it I was so busy and lazy that even Gent 5 and Lady 4 shaded me hard.
And my recent actions where I wine like a little bitch because I played like garbage makes me question my own sanity.
Hopefully I can get a second chance or at the least my lad if she replaces in.
I’ll try to contribute the best I can (but I am multiballing hard RN)
If she dose accept to replace me I’ll do it in an instant and you’ll never even know it’s her playing and not me. :p.

We continue to play fast and loose with site rules.

We continue to play fast and loose with site rules.

What do you mean?

Im pretty sure youre not allowed to sub out players.

[Gentleman 5]

Misty is the best pokemon Waifu.

May comes in second.
Lily third.

[Gentleman 5]

Let’s try to be a bit serious here though.

Play the game and stop trying to replace out?

[Gentleman 5]

I hate the way that Lady 5 is playing regardless of their alignment.

Yo can you talk to me.

How do you currently feel about your pairing?

At the time, did you believe you were making a town/town pair?

[Gentleman 5]

I hate the way that Lady 5 is playing regardless of their alignment.

Yeah me too!

That’s why I want someone who has time to do it to take this slot.

shoot: L5

[Gentleman 5]

Is there a specific reason you would like to share G6 or are you saving it for the dance?

[Gentleman 5]

As long as L5 doesnt live to see the dance, Ill go along with it.

[Gentleman 5]

I think we need to get to the dance already.

70 pages and I feel like we are still going nowhere.

[Gentleman 5]

I think that G3 and L6 will both get along with each other and are both town.

Eh.

Is there a specific reason you would like to share G6 or are you saving it for the dance?

That guy always pinged me and I feel he throws Unessasary shade

I dont see it?

It is really shade when he just outs it straight up?

[Gentleman 5]

THe person who you are trying to contact is already in the game...

Yeah its lady 6, she already said that.

[Gentleman 5]

Gentlemen pls

Just pick somebody for the love of god

I plan on putting this on the end of my posts from now on i think.

[Gentleman 5]

Maybe if I ISO Dive Lady 6 I’ll see if it matches my friend but I doubt it.

Does it even matter. Fakegod isnt going to let you pick your replacement.

[Gentleman 5]

G6 is aware that umm....

I got more active recently, right?

[Gentleman 5]

Regardless its starting to make sense why hes been ignoring me.

I could go into detail why, but its clear he has an ace in his sleeve apparently (or hes scum with L8).

A L5 scumflip goes a LONG way to supporting him, but Im willing to let it go for now.

[Gentleman 5]

I want to just point out that “shade” and “deepwolf” are concepts im not entirely certain of what they mean.

I figure shade means scumreading without actually focusing on them.

Deepwolf I got nothing.

P-Edit: Then you better out your reason that L8 is town beyond a doubt.

[Gentleman 5]

L4, if I leave the dance (proof that I'm town) can you leave the dance after?

In your perspective, is losing 3 townies for 1 scum optimal.

Id actually wouldnt mind if L4 takes that deal if L5 flips town.

[Gentleman 5]

P-Edit: Then you better out your reason that L8 is town beyond a doubt.

I don't have to out anything. L8's slot alignment is completely independent of mine and completely independent of the quality of my read on you.
You're trying to hide behind shading a slot that's not even mine to discredit my read on you.

I think youre town but L8 isnt.

Ive made it clear throughout the day that theres scum in L5/L8.

Youre deathtunneling me for reasons im not quite sure warrant suiciding to get your lynch.

[Gentleman 5]

Man, I'd really have to just quote his entire ISO because it's a comprehensive read that doesn't hold as much weight unless you look at the entire body of work and the lack of townreads and the amount of shade fired out.

I really dont want to townhunt today, Ive said that before.

We can only remove a lady this phase, hence why Ive been focusing L8.

[Gentleman 5]

And now L5 when L8 got paired.

[Gentleman 5]

In your perspective, is losing 3 townies for 1 scum optimal.

Id actually wouldnt mind if L4 takes that deal if L5 flips town.

It's significantly more optimal than not really having any way to get you lynched because everyone's townreading you for no reason.

I don't know that anyone has explicitly said they're town reading Gentleman 5, trying to make the argument that no one is willing to lynch him while we're not yet out of Pre-Dance (and threatening to kill other players in the process) is preposterous and absurd.

L6 did, L4 did, there might be a couple others idk.

I also dont know why he thinks Im unlynchable, all he has to do is get G3 to help him.

[Gentleman 5]

but like he and L7 have been running around playing interference calling people scummy for objectively towny posting and basically preventing anyone from getting townread.

That I can agree with you there.

Find me an example besides G3.

[Gentleman 5]

G6 is aware that umm....

I got more active recently, right?

That has like.. nothing to do with it.

I think it does. Which is why he needs to clarify “I read him as scum since the begining”

P-Edit: Yes, which is why I asked you in the first place. Nice job catching up

[Gentleman 5]

Regardless its starting to make sense why hes been ignoring me.

I could go into detail why, but its clear he has an ace in his sleeve apparently (or hes scum with L8).

A L5 scumflip goes a LONG way to supporting him, but Im willing to let it go for now.

Supporting who? Gent 3?
I still don’t understand how you could ever lock scum Gent 3 TBH by the fact that I lock towned him.

G6.

Can you please look up our conversation about you, i think you should check it again

[Gentleman 5]

Sure. L8. L3. L5. L6 before she clearly had reads so bad that she's +equity to townread.

As with G3, his activity and honest posting from the begining was good, and yet I dont want to put him down as town yet. It warrants a closer look later

this was on G3 in the very early game as well.
Also your only townreads (the most important part is contrast) are me, L9 (universal townreads) and the person who has clearly bad reads. And you've hedged on your read on me and made an out to lynch me by shading L8 and you kill L9 by killing the IC so effectively you have no town pairs that you've advocated to go to endgame.

I never scumread L6. Shes been town since the start, Ive defended her when she looked bad yesterday. Other 3 are correct, theres scum in 8/5/3.

You wanna get me for waffling on G3, fine. Theres just something about his posting when I started reading that I couldnt give him a straight townread on for. Its gotten really bad recently that Id say theres a good chance G3 is survivalist scum.

I assume you are saying my townreads are G6, L9, and L6? Thats correct.

I want L8 dead, which is why Ive said I wish you wouldnt have partnered L8. Im willing to get rid of you to get scum, just like you wanted to do to me when I asked L5, so whats your point? Theres a chance I could still go after L3 even though I like G4.

I dont have a night kill so I cant answer the latter half of that.

[Gentleman 5]

I don't. 1 and 6 are either going to start posting or get replaced. 5's posting gives me a headache and I think they're above average scum equity.

I think 8 may be a better scum pick.

I agree with you with 5s posting, but im willing to let it go today.

I see literally no reason to and unless something drastically changes from now to then she would be the slot I'd end up pushing to kill tomorrow.

Ok.

I have hesitance on scumreading L5, but I dont intend on showing my hand just yet, as I want to see how the pairings go first. As L5 wont be back til Friday, I want to see how the other pairs go for now.

The way you're defending her makes me want her dead more and you next if she's scum.

The way you're defending her makes me want her dead more and you next if she's scum.

Deal.

L5, are you aware of this? Yes or no?

[Gentleman 5]

If Gent 5 is scum like I’m starting to truly think.
It probably went something like this:

“Ok Lady 5 seems bad, maybe I can trick her into siding with me. I don’t think she would leave the dance on me or scum read me”
“Holy shit I don’t think she trusts me enough, but I think Lady 4 does”
“I think I’ll ask Lady 4 out to attempt to earn her trust”
“Ok I got to make sure Lady 5 doesn’t make it to the dance or I could be fucked”

And the more I think of this gives me more of a reason to want to be in the dance phase.

I wanted you to live because I think I L8 is mafia and that makes you town.

Also, Im not scared of what damage you do.

[Gentleman 5]

If I can get Lady 4 to commit to leaving that will make all this easier. Otherwise I guess I have to try to make a case.
What all that adds up to, G5, is that you have no slots that you are unwilling to lynch and you're trying to use a read on a slot that isn't even mine as a shield against my scumread.

Like, my reads are
G1 is probably town
G2 is town
G3 is probably town
G4 is probably town
G5 is scum
G6 is known town
G7 is probably town
G8 is unknown-scum

L1 is leanscum
L2 is leantown
L3 is unknown
L4 is probably town
L5 is maybe scum with you? idk. i'm not actually trying to read her right now.
L6 is probably town
L7 is leanscum
L8 is -blanked-
L9 is leantown

see how i have townreads?

WHAT??? WHAT DO YOU MEAN.

If I scumread someone, Im going to vote them, the pairings may be a difference but thats not going to stop me from saying I want X lynched?

[Gentleman 5]

I wanted you to live because I think I L8 is mafia and that makes you town.

Also, Im not scared of what damage you do.

again like where tf did this read even come from if he's not just trying to appease one of the people going after him?

IVE BEEN SAYING THIS ALL DAY SINCE I GOT IN THE GAME DUDE.

We fought about L5,
Ive said your proposal to L8 was bad,
Ive been saying L8 needed to be left out prior.

?????????

[Gentleman 5]

Ok fuck it.

Without stating reasons at this time, I think either L8 or L5 shouldnt be dancing. I may sheep L9 until I get bored. Im thinking the setup is 2L/1G right now, but guessing the scumteam at this time would be detrimental until we get pairings. I Already stated my opinion on who should get left out.

With ICs permission I will be moving towards asking someone to dance.

I hope yall are ready, Im taking the reigns of the most active gentleman in the game; ladies I hope you can handle me.

Personally, I feel outting townreads are a bad idea until dance time, but thats just me?

Wait, why is outing townreads a bad idea? I'm of the opinion that we should get a strong towncore--of course, this does depend on our ability to keep scum out. I don't really see the advantage of hiding them?

Again, I think its better not to out town reads until we dance, as we have to factor the pairs. We can only scumhunt in ladies right now and theres the possibility that all 8 of them could be town.

All we can do is pick a lady to dance with, for whatever reason you want, and hope the person you scumread gets left out. In my case, Im hoping the lady getting kicked out is L8,L6, or L1. Im willing to keep L5 close. Maybe its her bubbly personality ^_^

I have a soft spot, who knew.

I thought I made it clear in those two posts imo

I'm more confused mow than I was previously.

Im scumreading L8. L1 and 6 are also good options based on activity.

Everyone else can live to see the dance. I explained why im willing to keep L5 above, but to be more specific, I think theres a possibility im reading her wrong at this time and am willing to spend time to get a better read on her.

I don't. 1 and 6 are either going to start posting or get replaced. 5's posting gives me a headache and I think they're above average scum equity.

I think 8 may be a better scum pick.

I agree with you with 5s posting, but im willing to let it go today.

Ok.

I have hesitance on scumreading L5, but I dont intend on showing my hand just yet, as I want to see how the pairings go first. As L5 wont be back til Friday, I want to see how the other pairs go for now.

The way you're defending her makes me want her dead more and you next if she's scum.

Deal.

My, my, my.

What's a boy to do in a place like this?

I think the clear choice for me is to make a ruckus.

What's my dance card look like? Cause poppi's got his dancing shoes on and im ready to step on some toes.

2 got paired up with 9 whom I am not sure is town

1 I am leaning but not concrete that they are town.
3 is up in the air.
4 I think is town but want to see more from the replacement.
5 I'm not liking.
6 is town!
7 I think is town.
8 I don't remember.

Hmmmmm, interesting reads my friend.

After 30 pages I would have expected something more... concrete?

8 I don't remember.

You literally town-read me and the fact that you forgot makes me think you're town with limited knowledge. Scum wouldn't fuck up their reads this bad.

This is true, but youre not getting any townpoints for stating the obvious.

Those are my gentlemen reads, not lady reads.

I still think you're town but you're not active enough to be a good pair for me right now.

Assuming youre talking about L8, I just feel youre spiting me at this point.

Whatever disregard correct play dance with the hottest girl.

Lady 8, will you dance with me?

You hate to see it.

Gentleman 5 would help with pushing my scum Reads but I’d have trouble trusting him at least in the beginning as he’s not my Lock Town where I can say with 100% confidence that Gentleman 3 is Town.
Me and Him can share are Reads and make stronger solving.

Hey FakeGod, am I allowed to retract my invite?

Can we please stop with the altguesses? It would really suck if he started force replacing due to it.

No RC, we cant.

Gentleman 5 would help with pushing my scum Reads but I’d have trouble trusting him at least in the beginning as he’s not my Lock Town where I can say with 100% confidence that Gentleman 3 is Town.
Me and Him can share are Reads and make stronger solving.

... I want to leave this out. [Gordon Ramsay impression] I just don't get it.

I am distraught now about the possible pairings I'm looking down the barrel of. G1 might be my best option now.

What do you think of L8 and L2?

Gentleman 5 would help with pushing my scum Reads but I’d have trouble trusting him at least in the beginning as he’s not my Lock Town where I can say with 100% confidence that Gentleman 3 is Town.
Me and Him can share are Reads and make stronger solving.

This reads to me as something I would say in a scum PT. Like something I would ask my scumbuddies before accepting the proposal. Given her hesitance, It makes me wonder.

I think L8 is mafia, I dont think L5 can be mafia with L8 given their interactions imo, so I may have to check into my reads of both.

THERE. I DID ALL THE WORK G6 AND L5.

Please continue to say Ive been setting up lynches when Ive been saying all day that L8 is mafia.

[Gentleman 5]

At this point I hope G6 flips scum because hes acting like a hardheaded dick.

(Ate ate ate)

L4: if you plan on suiciding, better make sure they go first.

[Gentleman 5]

G1/3/8
L1/2/5/6

The biggest question to ask is: Will G3 save L5?

[Gentleman 5]

He didn't call you scum, nor anything close to it.

Just let it go.

I said my piece, we need to just move on.