Newbie 1964 [Game Over]

[Karnage]

VOTE: probs because they are probably scum

[Karnage]

VOTE: jovanilic868

why?

[Karnage]

hi

VOTE: Karnage

why not?

Senator Blutarsky?

[Karnage]

LCpl Jones is conf town

[Karnage]

How would you know that? That's obvious pocketing.

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

Das pretty gay

Feel free to explain your vote. Karnage did ask about it after all.

can confirm

[Karnage]

I've played a couple offsite, but this will be my first here.

is there no RVS where you come from?

[Karnage]

I'd almost feel like policy lynching that slot ngl.

under what policy?

[Karnage]

VOTE: gyro zepp

Ez game

Probably just going to sheep Micc all game

VOTE: BBmolla

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

So what’s the purpose of the vote you made in post 30? You’ve already been in the thread plenty and laid down an RVS vote. What purpose does an additional RVS vote serve? From my point of view the reasons look a lot like you appearing to create content while not actually creating content, which is something you called out as something scum happily achieve by sheeping.

I feel like you're badgering (see what I did there) the LCpl a little bit.

Whats wrong with a second RVS vote? We haven't even had every player post yet I don't think. I made a second RVS vote but for some reason you didn't see the need to comment on it.

Das pretty gay

Feel free to explain your vote. Karnage did ask about it after all.

I’m going with my theory that you wanted to be unnoticed and unproductive until convinced otherwise.

Couldn't sheeping be seen as wanting "to be unnoticed and unproductive until convinced otherwise"? You seem to hold different players to different standards

[Karnage]

Should I purposefully not follow Micc as town even if I agree with him?

Do you currently townread Micc? if so, why?

[Karnage]

I've played a couple offsite, but this will be my first here.

is there no RVS where you come from?

No there hasn't been.

There's no time like the present

[Karnage]

That’s fine. Don’t sheep me lol

I’m more trying to sort Micc and BBM at the moment

[Karnage]

Wow only played with Micc before and like part of a game with Karnage before. How you two doing?
Doesnt seem like I missed all that much.

VOTE: local jones

Because you're the leading poster and I dont feel like anything you're doing is advancing the game at the moment.

I'm doing well, good to see you replace in

thats L-2 btw

[Karnage]

thats L-2 btw

No its not, I'm an idiot

[Karnage]

Wow only played with Micc before and like part of a game with Karnage before. How you two doing?
Doesnt seem like I missed all that much.

VOTE: local jones

Because you're the leading poster and I dont feel like anything you're doing is advancing the game at the moment.

I'm doing well, good to see you replace in

thats L-2 btw

Who did you think was voting him?

In my head I had Micc and BBMolla voting him

[Karnage]

I'd almost feel like policy lynching that slot ngl.

under what policy?

seriously though I don't think that a certain person, not to be rude, but this is my opinion, is going to be very helpful.

Insert something useful here idfk

LCpl Jones may be psychic

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

You sure that's who he was talking about? That original post came right after the BB post.

I figured it was referring to Gyro (whom BB had voted)

[Karnage]

What do you make of the fact that hes dominated conversation so much with those two while their votes are elsewhere?

meh, I don't make too much of it

[Karnage]

@Karnage - where are you at on Bbm, Micc and Jones at the moment?

I feel ok about them but its early so idk, you?

[Karnage]

@Karnage - where are you at on Bbm, Micc and Jones at the moment?

Also, other folks should probably start getting involved. I'm looking at the two other folks that got prodded.

Person that replaced in with me, what do you think about the game so far?

avatars would be nice too for anybody that doesn't have one

[Karnage]

I think the way he dealt with the interaction from Micc in response to his BBM vote didnt look good. He starts by saying that sheeping is bad (fine no argument) but then explains that he doesnt think BBM was sheeping and that scum wouldnt be so transparent. Micc then asks for more clarification on whether it was just anti-sheeping or a scumread, and splits it saying it's mostly the anti-sheeping stance but not fully. Then at 39 he commits to saying that BBM wasnt sheeping (so now I completely dont understand the vote). Then in 47 he tries to claim credit for moving the game out of RVS, which I dont think is accurate, and that comes off as scummy in this context. I then think he misrepresents Micc's 49 in how it discussed your vote at 29. Micc was talking about the fact that he didnt view your 29 as RVS because you were already asking game advancing questions. I think Jones misrepped that, and I think it was intentional, because he seemed to double down on it claiming that your questions didnt come until 34, when you were asking for explanations as early as pg 1.

I just re-read through their exchange and I not seeing an issue. I see LJ answering the questions that were asked. In an ISO these may come across weirdly but I think in context with Micc's questions its all reasonable.

I'm more concerned that you don't seem to have an original thought in this. you've essentially copy-pasted from Micc's posts

[Karnage]

UNVOTE:

[Karnage]

ok VOTE: Billy Pilgrim

his opening vote on LCpl Jones felt opportunistic and I think his subsequent case is lacking

@Salsae, bepwei, and Arkias - what did you guys think of Billy's 83 and 89?

I think he makes a fair point about it being only 4 pages in so there's only so many things for people to focus on and to call it copy-paste isn't accurate but I still don't think he makes a strong enough case for scum!LCpl Jones. I believe its an attempt to retroactively justify his initial vote.

[Karnage]

Billy and Arkias I'm fairly confident of being town just at face level their reasoning is clear and makes sense. I think scum is in Micc / BBmolla / other 'quiet' players. I'm mostly confused about Karnage!

At one level I like his posts but he's just, I don't know, it doesn't sit right with me and fair to say I don't trust him that he's town.

this is like the scummiest post in this whole game

I'm town, Micc town, Karnage town, Salsae town, Arkias town,

scum is in (Gyro/Bep/Jones/Billy)

Where does the Salsae town read come from?

[Karnage]

^Can we lynch this please

He clearly doesn't want to play so I'd say let's just help him out

Gyro is looking like the default lynch if we don't have a strong scum candidate at deadline. Even if he's town it will be addition via subtraction.

[Karnage]

@Karnage - could you explain how my opening vote on Jones was oppprtunistic? And what makes you think it was a retroactive attempt to justify the vote?

When you joined the game there was a lot going on around LCpl Jones. Whether other people were voting him or not, scum could see it as an opportunity to get a vote in toward a potential mislynch. Everything you've used as evidence for scum!LCpl is something thats already been said. I get its only a couple pages in so there's bound to be some overlap like that but it just feels off to me. I don't know.

normally I wouldn't have voted yet but I was hoping I could use it to engage some of the less active players and give them something they could talk about as way to start participating.

[Karnage]

I'd rather hope he gets back into prod range then hopefully we can replace him almost immediately. I'd rather not lynch a slot that's literally 2/9 of being scum. I'd rather lynch someone that's playing scummy.

Honestly the players pushing a policy lynch this early into D1 are raising my suspicions. I want at least one legitimate lynch, preferably with a couple of wagons leading up to it, before we lynch the deliberately provocative slot.

I don't think anybody is pushing it too hard, I think people are just expressing their frustrations with Gyro's refusal to contribute to the game

I agree though that now is not the time for a policy lynch

[Karnage]

@Karnage - I'm getting the sense that you have the wrong impression of my read on Jones. How strong do you think my read was at the time I placed the vote? Because you're describing my case as lacking so I'm wondering what you were expecting for a page 4 case.

your case is lacking anything that's alignment indicative, at least in my opinion.

your original vote was, IIRC, because he was the most active but not moving the game forward. Does that make him more likely to be scum on page 2 than anybody else? I don't think it does. I would expect that your read wasn't very strong at all (assuming town!Billy) and that goes back to your vote being opportunistic (assuming scum!Billy).

[Karnage]

what is a policy lynch

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Policy_Lynch

This website is good for those kind of questions should you have more.

please don't feed the trolls

[Karnage]

I very much get the feeling that the scum team is backing off on me.
FOS Billy and FOS Micc.

I'm not quite so happy with my vote on Micc right now.
UNVOTE:

umm... aren't these two statements contradictory?

[Karnage]

UNVOTE:

I'm pretty good with Billy being town atm with Micc and BBMolla

[Karnage]

Sorry, I’m still here

Will be back to contribute later today

[Karnage]

you're not paying attention if you think it's a sheep vote.

you can't deny the timing of your vote is suspect though

[Karnage]

UNVOTE:

I'm pretty good with Billy being town atm with Micc and BBMolla

Why?

I never had a strong scum read on you and I was going back and forth with it in my head. But the more you post the more I can see you coming from a town mindset so for now I'm going to go with town!Billy

[Karnage]

you're not paying attention if you think it's a sheep vote.

you can't deny the timing of your vote is suspect though

Not sure how the timing makes it suspect. He has been suspicious on jones for a while.

Sorry for the inactivity this weekend, I kinda got swamped with stuff from school

he's been suspicious for a while but didn't vote until Billy did. that implies it was Billy's vote that prompted BB's vote. That is suspect

[Karnage]

you're not paying attention if you think it's a sheep vote.

you can't deny the timing of your vote is suspect though

Not sure how the timing makes it suspect. He has been suspicious on jones for a while.

Sorry for the inactivity this weekend, I kinda got swamped with stuff from school

he's been suspicious for a while but didn't vote until Billy did. that implies it was Billy's vote that prompted BB's vote. That is suspect

I find the fact that he unvoted so quickly more suspicious than the fact he voted him after billy.

I think the unvote is NAI

[Karnage]

@Karnage, you had the defense of Jones during the first wagon, what do you make of that slot at the moment?

I think he's been fairly scummy since then. the FOS/Unvote of Micc really sticks out

[Karnage]

@Karnage, you had the defense of Jones during the first wagon, what do you make of that slot at the moment?

I think he's been fairly scummy since then. the FOS/Unvote of Micc really sticks out

This to me seems like a way to not vote a scum buddy but trying not to look suspicious themselves. If LCpl flips scum i think this is a good place to look.

or he's at L-1 and I'm not willing to hammer him at the moment but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Karnage]

I think scum is most likely in Arkias, Bepwei, Anaconda, and Jones. mostly via POE

Gyro is too scummy to be scum if that's a thing though I wouldn't oppose his lynch if the deadline was imminent

Jones was a townread up to his FOS/Unvote of Micc. Not ready to vote him quite yet

I need to sort Ark, Bep, and Ana but I anticipate my vote being placed on one of those three

p-edit: i look forward to it

[Karnage]

Ok I understand LCpl isn’t here to defend, but I was looking for something more than a one line response like “yea he’s suspicious because of the reasons already stated” idk if that’s a sheep or not (new term to me) but it stuck out to me.

This doesn’t make me suspicious of you yet,but it is something that I think should be looked into if LCpl flips scum. I am simply stating something I noticed and looking for clarification (which you provided)

who ARE you suspicious of? or if you prefer, who do you trust so far?

[Karnage]

Sure, the policy Lynch ends the day getting no information about any of the voters. It’s a get off of jail free card for anyone looking to vote a possible townie out of the game

(scum)

. As you are the most suspicious person right now

in the eyes of the town

, it would be beneficial for you to be able to vote someone without repercussions. I’ll look back at 27 now.

I've made this same mistake as scum. Who other than scum would be looking to vote a townie out of the game? Why the need to specify "in the eyes of the town"?

If you aren’t getting information, push harder on someone. As soon as LCpl exclaimed he was town, you seemed to back off. You want people to push yet you’re afraid to do it yourself. If you need information on day one, you need to press it out of people. If you want a vote you got it sir.

You’re managing to look like town without actually doing anything

. I don’t like the fact that you are looking for people to just follow your vote.
VOTE: Billy Pilgram

If he looks like town, why aren't you townreading him? unless you mean he looks like town to actual townies

VOTE: bepwei

[Karnage]

Whenever I say “I the eyes of the town” that usually mean the majority of the players agree with that statement, but not necessarily me. In that case I didn’t agree with the majority of the town.

who were your more suspicious of at that point?

[Karnage]

I personally dont like Karnage’s reads of who's ‘scum’

and how im too scummy to be scum. I think he’s just trying to ride with a general consensus and seem fine with town. If someone is ‘scummy’ they are probably mafia in your eyes i dont believe too scummy is a thing

Who is scum then?

[Karnage]

The amished tell is kinda yikes

At work can’t elaborate

don't remember the amished tell and I can't find it on the wiki. I'm guessing its related to them "reading" their predecessor?

[Karnage]

Every time I reread I just want to tear into Micc again.

Waiting on Guildedsun pick a side

. Have you made it to post 100? Was wondering what you thought of that. Also #155.

What are the "sides" she's choosing from?

[Karnage]

My slot is definitely in a tough spot and I'm not so sure what else I can do. I'll just leave some of my own thoughts for after I am lynched. Unless a claim would be helpful? I'm a newer player so I've never experienced a claim in any forum mafia games I've played so I'm not so sure on the policy of those.

generally, you shouldn't claim your role unless you are at L-1 and someone has stated their intent to hammer

[Karnage]

Gildedsun hasn't made me feel any better about that slot

[Karnage]

she's put more effort into criticizing her own slot than finding scum.

[Karnage]

@Karnage - kinda curious as to why you haven't declared intent yet. You felt like the Jones slot was scummy and then Gikded hasn't done anything to redeem it, you dont have your vote on anyone and it's like 36 hours until deadline. What are you thinking right now?

I hadn't declared intent yet because I wasn't prepared to hammer. Also, my vote is on Bepwei.

I'm think scum is in arkias, bepwei, anaconda, and guilded but I'm not sure which ones. I don't see much to like out of any of them.

I'm ok with a guilded lynch after her claim. I think there's a decent chance they flip scum and if not, we are only out a VT.

[Karnage]

Do you have rising suspicion of Karnage because of this? A few posts ago you were worried about me having suspicions of Karnage.

If the Gilded slot flips red, will that change you opinion of Karnage

?

this make me think bepwei/guilded scum team. Setting me up for a mislynch when guilded flips scum. Its not the first time either: 239 was a response to me.

This doesn’t make me suspicious of you yet,but it is something that I think should be looked into if LCpl flips scum

. I am simply stating something I noticed and looking for clarification (which you provided)

[Karnage]

The reasoning behind that question is that Billy now started to see the same thing I did. You have yet to really add anything as to why you think the Gilded slot is likely to be scum other than what has already been said. I dislike the inconsistency in the fact that you find them suspicious but don’t vote and don’t really explain your feelings behind it. All we’ve gotten from you about the gilded slot is that the replacement doesn’t make you feel better about it and that the FoS from LCpl.

So is Billy no longer a scum read for you?

[Karnage]

What about anaconda? If you truly believe I'll flip red, what is your opinion on anaconda's defense of me and the attack on Micc? Do you think they are a potential scum team with me or just a "misguided" townie?

I'm not sure what you flip which is why I was reluctant to state intent earlier. I'm not a fan of anaconda's play and they are in my potential scum pool.

[Karnage]

The reasoning behind that question is that Billy now started to see the same thing I did. You have yet to really add anything as to why you think the Gilded slot is likely to be scum other than what has already been said. I dislike the inconsistency in the fact that you find them suspicious but don’t vote and don’t really explain your feelings behind it. All we’ve gotten from you about the gilded slot is that the replacement doesn’t make you feel better about it and that the FoS from LCpl.

So is Billy no longer a scum read for you?

I never said that... he may agree with me, but that doesn’t clear him.. sure it makes me feel better about him, but that would be letting him pocket me without Billy having to try.

"Billy now started to see the same thing I did" doesn't make sense to me when you don't pair it with an unvote. the wording implies that you know he is town yet you're still voting him.

[Karnage]

@Gilded - is there a reason why you aren't even voting with 18 hours left?

[Karnage]

"Billy now started to see the same thing I did" doesn't make sense to me when you don't pair it with an unvote. the wording implies that you know he is town yet you're still voting him.

Nowhere in that sentence does it indicate his alignment. The ‘same thing as me’ was included to tell you why I brought up the the connections to the Gilded slot flipping red and your possible alignment a second time.

it shows you believe he was seeing things from a town perspective because if he was scum any thing he sees would be FAKE!

[Karnage]

So a scum never should agree with the town? If they are trying to blend in, they would have to agree with town at some point...

"Hey scum!Billy, I'm glad you are seeing things the way I am! please tell me how your fake reads are changing atm and how your fake read on karnage will change when your partner flips red. I ask this fully aware that as scum, you will likely try to blend in." - bepwei

[Karnage]

Gilded is caught scum. I will hammer tonight, approx 7 hours from now.

[Karnage]

Im eh about this lynch ftr

I hate how Guilded came in and was like “yeah I see why jones was scummy”

I like the claim and the last two pages

Just a reminder to Guilded to not mention ongoing games at all, I don’t want to see you get banned.

the claim is fine but what have you liked from the last two pages?

[Karnage]

oof prod. so whats the current vote count and timer?

gildedSun/LCpl Jones is at L-1 with 12 hour to deadline

I intend to hammer in a couple hours

[Karnage]

I think its time

VOTE: TheGildedSun

[Karnage]

I'm inclined to believe Billy here but I'd like BB to elaborate on his vote

[Karnage]

I'm good with a bepwei wagon

I don't think this comes from town

I am confused why they would choose arkias as their NK. Any idea?

VOTE: bepwei

[Karnage]

I'm inclined to believe Billy here but I'd like BB to elaborate on his vote

How do you feel about the elaboration from BB?

Wasn't much of an elaboration

[Karnage]

Can you guys sell me on bepwei?

I'm going to make a hard right turn here. What do you think about BB as scum?

Looking back at his ISO I don't like his early sheeping on the jones vote. Then he makes a weird 180 at the end of the day on the jones/guilded slot. naked votes on billy and bep to start the day. the only reasoning he can give is "the same reason as karnage"

UNVOTE:

[Karnage]

VOTE: Billy

You checked me and you're claiming a guilty now? With your soft yesterday how the hell would I leave you alive today?

I don't really understand what soft means. Could someone explain what this post means in simpler terms for a newbie? thanks!

its a "soft claim" of being a PR

[Karnage]

sorry been crazy busy IRL

Really don't like Micc's move to a gyro lynch at this point and like BB sheeping (again) even less

will be back in a little bit to flesh out my thoughts

[Karnage]

Looking back at his ISO I don't like his early sheeping on the jones vote. Then he makes a weird 180 at the end of the day on the jones/guilded slot. naked votes on billy and bep to start the day. the only reasoning he can give is "the same reason as karnage"

UNVOTE:

Not sure where I should "flesh out" the case on BBMolla. I think its pretty well summarized in what I've already posted. PLUS his read on Billy is flip flopping now followed by sheeping Micc again...
VOTE: BBMolla

@Billy another reason could be straight confusion. To send us down a wild goose chase. I’m leaning toward that because there wasn’t a whole lot of information to begin with. A NK like you said gives info and it isn’t super obvious which one happened right now. Is there one option you think is more likely to have occurred.

this feels like scum bragging how they've confused town with their NK choice

I'm not wholeheartedly against lynch gyro but I don't like how the wagon has formed. feels artificial or something

[Karnage]

what does scum molla have to gain by making naked votes at the start of the day or flipping his vote around?

so we should just accept him as town for "reasons"?

[Karnage]

@Micc, Who are your top scumreads atm?

[Karnage]

Honestly, Karnage I'm feeling a little uneasy about you.

You seemed to position yourself weirdly wrt to Jones/Gilded yesterday. You were in a spot where he wasnt your preferred lynch (Bepwei was), but you made it clear that you thought the slot was scummy and ultimately hammered.

Now, in a game where people are getting scumread for pushing people that was maybe a risk, but maybe not. Although, I dont think you would have killed Arkias. I think that you probably would have killed Molla or one of the more active players. So your day play has me scumleaning you, but the nk makes me think it's not you.

And honestly, I'm lost in this game because I don't feel like we've got a good townblock.

Look if you think I'm town, come interact with me so we can get somewhere. If you think I'm scum interact with me and tell me why. Let me sort some people.

I have a scenario in my head where molla/micc are town and I feel like we will win easy but if I'm wrong I could be would be pushing mislynches and making it easy for them as a scum team. I flip flop in my head about whether I'm right because I see things from them that I think is scummy. As a result I think my play has been kind of erratic.

regarding jones/guilded, I was townreading the slot but when they unvoted/fos'd Micc I questioned my read. I didn't like anything from guildedsun once they replaced in so I felt good about lynching the slot. I was wrong.

my bepwie read is the inverse of molla/micc. If I accept molla/micc as town, bepwie is scum (with either anaconda or gyro)

So i'm finding myself in this quantum mechanical state of players existing as town/scum reads simultaneously

[Karnage]

@Micc, Who are your top scumreads atm?

I could make a case for anyone being scum right now. I think I’ve settled on billy, molla as Town and gyro as the best lynch for today but confidence levels are low.

is gyro the best lynch just to keep him out of lylo?

[Karnage]

This is interesting, because it's pretty close to my thoughts except I'm more on BBM/you than Micc. But I dont see scum motivation for BBM's soft. Do you? Because if you dont, then the suspicion is preventing a pretty easy PoE solve right now. Although how do you know its BEP? Why cant it be Anaconda and Gyro?

ok, I'm pretty confident you are town so I am going to trust that my town reads that agree with your town reads are right. This means Micc is town and I think that means molla is too.

UNVOTE:

i don't KNOW its bepwei but out of them, anaconda, and gyro but think it's a high probability. gyro still feels like apathetic town to me but I agree he wouldn't be good to have around during lylo. anaconda has been meh for me since they came in.

[Karnage]

Well we're one mislynch away from LYLO. That's usually a good time for massclaim. What are people's thoughts on that?

i don't like exposing a PR for a NK tonight but I also don't want to be in the position where we have to decide between competing claims in LYLO. Its probably better to cross that bridge today so we either have A) at least one confirmed townie or B) a confirmed scum going into tomorrow

would we popcorn to decide who claims in what order?

[Karnage]

i'm a barbie girl in a barbie world

life in plastic it's fantastic

I actually had that Aqua CD in college. It was a big hit at parties

[Karnage]

There aren't scum intentions in the BB slot. At this point can we call the BB claim a soft claim? Not lynching this today
The Gyro slot is not my first choice for a lynch if we can find a candidate for scum. There has started to be some people scum leaning gyro, but its still very much a policy lynch.
I like the block of town Billy/BBMolla/Karnage but I cant help but think there is at least one scum in that block. I am confident on BB and Billy being town. Karnage I lean town because i dont see him killing Arkias. Micc slot im still not sure how to feel. For now until we can read his replacement

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so by POE are you scum reading Anaconda?

[Karnage]

RC, you know all those dead threads where you've been wrong about who was scum and what not? yeah, you're doing it again

[Karnage]

3 things to say in response to that

1) when I have a dead thread read I usually have only read the thread once and at one time which doesn't give me a high quality read usually
2) you've been paranoiaing my slot all day before I subbed in. Why are you talking to me like I'm outed town
3) lol do you think that this is going to help you

you are absolutely right about #2. I think your slot is town and I want to believe it because it more or less solves for the game for me BUT i worry that i'm extrapolating too far beyond the available data and as a result I'm dead wrong

[Karnage]

That, uh, kind of all sounds the same as "appeasing spooky replace in"

or it has little or nothing to do with you since I told Billy more or less the same in 418

[Karnage]

Come on man, why did you sign up to play the game if you're not gonna try? Look, I think theres a better than average chance that Gyro is scum now. If both scum are lurking it explains why there isnt any scummy play that's presenting itself. Also, he did hop yesterday's wagon fairly easily.

I want that lynch and it's not just policy. Is a good bit policy? Yes, but come on that slot is infuriating. He literally responded to his fourth prod with the word "post."

yeah, I think the risk is well worth the possible reward at this point

VOTE: gyro

[Karnage]

in the event we mass claim, or for any claims really:

cop claim can be CC'd by jailkeeper, tracker, and friendly neighbor
doc claim can be CC'd by jailkeeper, friendly neighbor
jailkeeper claim can be CC'd by cop and doc
tracker claim can be CC'd by cop
friendly neighbor can be CC'd by cop and doc
mason can be CC'd by any other PR

@RC, you're the brains behind this setup, let me know if I got any of that wrong

[Karnage]

The gyro slot? When did I say that? I’m not SURE it’s town, I just think we can do better than a policy lynch today. I am not opposed to it,

I just prefer something with actual evidence

rather than just lynching shit play.

then make a case against the player you would rather lynch

However, I am not opposed to it. If we don’t get anyone else I will Hammer.

So let’s get a claim from gyro

.

is this an intent to hammer?

[Karnage]

please can we not lynch gyro today can someone unvote

who do we lynch instead? he's not replacing out and he clearly has not intention to play the game.

[Karnage]

UNVOTE:

[Karnage]

why wasn't bbmolla in this list

I think 418 and 433 explain it.

molla as scum or not goes hand in hand with micc as scum or not

its something I go back and forth with. so between those two posts I went back and forth i guess

[Karnage]

Hi. Give me some time to read all of this. I understand my slot is being read as a “for sure” mafia slot though and I have no clue how that even came to be lol

welcome

i think its not "for sure" mafia read so much as being a liability

[Karnage]

So if I'm town what does that say about bbcakesmolla

I think they are likely town too. at least that's my current theory I've decided to run with it until there's direct evidence to the contrary

[Karnage]

What if I said I had a guilty on bbmolla

then i'd have to go back to square one and re-assess a lot of things

[Karnage]

What if I said I had a guilty on bbmolla

Wait, do you have a guilty on Molla? And if so why was your slot voting Gyro in light of a guilty on Molla? Literally wtf is going on right now?

I'm pretty sure it was a hypothetical

[Karnage]

how sure is pretty sure

i don't know but less sure than I was about 60 seconds ago

[Karnage]

I can't believe all these replacements. If a game like this happened on my forum, we'd just scrap it.

Anyway, content this evening

.

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

Don’t know if that’s a compliment or not but thanks?

[Karnage]

@Heavy, if not Micc/RC, then who?

[Karnage]

Ok my current scumteam guess is Karnage/Jamelia.

Interested in further thoughts.

What's scummy about gyro/jamelia as opposed to policy lynch-y?

[Karnage]

we should start figuring out who we want to lynch today. we've got about 32 hours til deadline. I'm looking to lynch out of the following: bepwei > jamelia > heavy anaconda

VOTE: jamelia though since that's more likely than bepwei it seems. I believe thats L-1


If people want to lynch me then they should start moving their votes.

[Karnage]

ENWOP

[Karnage]

Karnage, you got to the point where you'd just rather have ANY lynch (even if it isn't your main scumlead) than one that would benefit us.

I would rather have ANY lynch (even if it’s me) than a no lynch

[Karnage]

This is what scum discrediting a townie looks like; hard to explain it beyond that.

Look at these posts leading up to what you quoted. 308 312 316 I didn't discredit anybody.

You don't say someone is caught scum and you'll hammer in 7 hours. That's a tonal mismatch; if he thought it was caught scum he'd hammer. Common mistake by scum.

or.... in 321 guilded said they would post in depth notes and I wanted to give them time to do so

Not going to copy all of them but the way that Karnage lets himself be persuaded to mislynching Jamelia just feels super scummy. Hard to express.

very early in the game I thought Micc and molla were a mason pair (I even tried to tell you that in 558) so I townread them for that. I've gone back and forth as to whether that read was right so my town read on them changed as well. If they WERE masons, that leaves a scum pool of bepwei, anaconda, and gyro/jamelia. I'm starting to think that scum!Micc may have been pushing to lynch scum!gyro in an effort to cut dead weight and now you've come in and are trying to save the slot.

Who TF discredits me because of dead threads, like what?

wow, I must have really struck a nerve lol

The whole "extrapolating too far beyond the available data" feels very scummy, again hard to explain but like just doesn't feel like town response.

again this goes to my mason read on micc/molla and whether or not I was ignoring scummy play from their slots

Again the culmination of it to "the risk is well worth the possible reward at this point" is just a wtf answer.

how so? there's a chance gyro/jamelia is town (the risk) but its worth it for the decent chance they are scum and if not, the slot has been detrimental to town and would be a liability in lylo (the reward). The vast majority of lynches come down to a similar risk/reward analysis

on a side not, if all your points are "hard to explain", maybe its because they aren't very good points to begin with

[Karnage]

Ok my current scumteam guess is Karnage/

Jamelia

.

Interested in further thoughts.

I really don't think that this is the angle scum!Jamelia would have gone down subbing into this slot.

I was already not scumreading the slot

, but this makes me feel a lot better about it.

VOTE: Karnage

were you not actually scum reading jamelia in 587? or does 613 refer to something else?

[Karnage]

Anybody willing to trust that I am town and lynch jamelia today with me? It really look's like an RC/jam scum team for me. Look at this series of posts. RC scum reads gyro but once bepwei announces their intent to hammer RC is calling for an unvote?

i think it's probably 2/3 of Karnage/Gyro Zeppeli/Anacondra

you mean, why am i not locktowning gyro? because i'm not. idk bruh

what do you think the odds are that it's just anaconda zeppeli lurk squad

The gyro slot? When did I say that? I’m not SURE it’s town, I just think we can do better than a policy lynch today. I am not opposed to it,

I just prefer something with actual evidence

rather than just lynching shit play.

then make a case against the player you would rather lynch

However, I am not opposed to it. If we don’t get anyone else I will Hammer.

So let’s get a claim from gyro

.

is this an intent to hammer?

I’m getting only town vibes from RC and that’s the slot I didn’t feel great about while Micc was in the game. It is intent to hammer. I don’t think I will do it right away and I don’t think gyro will respond soon either.

@gyro I intend to hammer please claim role

please can we not lynch gyro today can someone unvote

[Karnage]

once jam was no longer at L-1 RC moved back to a scumread until I vote and molla calls for a hammer. magically RC now says jam isn't scum and they were "already not scumreading that slot"

Ok my current scumteam guess is Karnage/Jamelia.

Interested in further thoughts.

He's flirting with me instead of catching up.

Not that I think Jamelia wouldn't be flirting with me if he were town but I think that he would be solving 35% more and flirting with me 10% less.

Can we get a claim and hammer pls

I really don't think that this is the angle scum!Jamelia would have gone down subbing into this slot.
I was already not scumreading the slot, but this makes me feel a lot better about it.

VOTE: Karnage

[Karnage]

if you guys really want to lynch me then...

Spoiler:

but I'd prefer we lynch either jamelia or RC

[Karnage]

how so? there's a chance gyro/jamelia is town (the risk) but its worth it for the decent chance they are scum and if not, the slot has been detrimental to town and would be a liability in lylo (the reward).

How is the slot a liability? The whole point of the Gyro wagon was because you could not trust GYRO in lylo. I think we can trust Jamelia lylo as someone who wont fuck something up. Are you saying the slot has a liability because there isnt very much to go off of from previous days? The gyro wagon was hardly a scum read and really was just a policy imo.

liability was in reference to gyro. the original comment was made in 523 before gyro replaced out

what do you think about RC and his fluctuating reads on gyro/jamelia?

p-edit: I think we are both at L-1 so anybody that isn't voting one or the other should start deciding which on they would hammer

[Karnage]

actually I think jamelia is at L-2 because billy switched his vote to me

[Karnage]

I’m not on L-1 since Billy voted off of me. You’re the only one on L-1.

Karnage, can you answer my question I asked you in a previous post?

can you quote it so I don't have to go looking for it?

p-edit: ok. i stand by my statement

[Karnage]

Unofficial Vote Count

karnage (3) ~

radiantcowbells, jamelia, billy pilgrim,

jamelia (2) ~

bbmolla, karnage

not voting (2) ~

heavy anacona, bepwei

with 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

deadline:[/color]

(expired on 2019-11-25 04:18:13)
-

[Karnage]

I just don’t see how as town your goal would be to lynch ANYONE regardless of alignment just to say you lynched someone. That screams scummy to me. Do you have any thoughts on that?

because in most cases any lynch is better than a no lynch otherwise why wouldn't we no lynch every day 1? and its not just ANYONE, its players that have a better than random chance of flipping scum

Also, if you want people to trust in you, why would you still be voting for me? You’ve said that the Micc/RC slot is scummy yet you still want people to jump on my slot’s bandwagon. Is this because you believe my slot is scummy or you believe my slot is the easiest to be lynched?

should be obvious that I'm not talking to you and RC about trusting me. I believe you and RC are the scum team.

[Karnage]

I was asking how a slot can a liability. I was refencing the post made in 652 where you specifically said Gyro/Jamelia not just gyro.

652 should have only referred to gyro not gyro/jam. just a typing mistake probably arising from trying to keep track of the different slots and replacements. town!gyro would definetly be a liability though. If we are in lylo day 3 would you trust him to not throw down a random/uninformed vote followed by scum quickhammer?

what do you think about RC and his fluctuating reads on gyro/jamelia?

I think its a little suspect, but the initial scum read was before Jamelia had caught up. I can see where a read can chenge after interacting solely with one slot for 2 pages.. However I do seem to remember RC saying he townread Gyro so, im not super sure.[/quote]
when you go back and look, make note of how RC's scum read changes to a town read whenever the gyro/jam slot is in danger of being hammered then back to a town read when they are not.

[Karnage]

1. Right, but at that point there was still time to change the lynch off of a policy lynch. Do you think policy lynching Day 2 is more valuable than scum hunting in this regard?

its not just a policy lynch. There was, and still is, a better than random chance that the slot was scum. At the time, I felt that billy, micc, and molla were town. Which leaves 2 scum in 3 players. how many lynches (without a guilty results) have a 66% chance of hitting scum?

2. I never said you needed to trust me. I’m scumreading you as well. I asked you why your vote was still on me. Is it because you genuinely scumread my slot more than Micc/RC’s slot? Or is it because you think it’d be easier for my slot to be lynched?

both of you are scum. one read is not stronger than the other but you will probably be easier to get lynched.

[Karnage]

Going through your posts and reading your conclusions up to this point, I really fail at understanding what led you to believe the two scumslots are the two replacements in the game.

why couldn't two replacements be the scum slots?

I think this is a clear issue in pressure on you. I am still relatively new to the website but I have never seen someone this convinced two people are scum after being wrong D1 and with the huge possibility of a mislynch for D3, because the basis of my slot being lynched is on a policy against someone who isn’t even in the game anymore.

so when I flip town, will you, RC, Billy, and whoever hammers lose all credibility?

My belief is that you’re cracking under the pressure and you’re trying to quicklynch this. You posted a gif as a “claim” but it wasn’t really a claim anyways. I believe if you were town then you would have voted off of me after seeing me post and figure out what lynch would be best for you - even while on L-2 (now L-1).

me thinks somebody is afraid others will see I am right

p-edit: lol you aren't reading between the lines...

i'll give you some time to find what I was actually saying there

[Karnage]

Also LOL, did the 5 of you who hammered on Jones lose all credibility when they flipped town? You’re throwing random things at the wall and hope it sticks.

I think this is a clear issue in pressure on you. I am still relatively new to the website but

I have never seen someone this convinced two people are scum after being wrong D1

and with the huge possibility of a mislynch for D3, because the basis of my slot being lynched is on a policy against someone who isn’t even in the game anymore.

was this not intended to question my credibility?

I can read between the lines on your claim. Just say it if you want to claim. Although I think claiming doesn’t help because you’d probably be NK’d regardless. But I think you know that already.

i wasn't talking about what you think is a claim but feel free to try again. Anybody paying attention knows my role. RC especially. that's what the whole "how sure are you its hypothetical" was all about. to see if I was the cop.

I never said the two replacements CAN’T be scum slots. I said that I think it’s sus that you think that they are, based on YOUR progression.

you clearly haven't been paying attention

Why would I be afraid of the other people in this game? I replaced in with the lynch being on my slot and gave my reads. You’re using AtE but your appeal is inaccurate.

where have I appealed to emotion? you can say that but it doesn't make it true. I think I've been quite rational actually

[Karnage]

why wasn't bbmolla in this list

I think 418 and 433 explain it.

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its something I go back and forth with. so between those two posts I went back and forth i guess

I was trying to tell RC I htough he and molla were masons. I wasn't saying they had to be T/T or S/S

if anybody still doesn't understand why I went back and forth with how I was reading micc/RC and molla?

[Karnage]

Why would I be afraid of the other people in this game? I replaced in with the lynch being on my slot and

gave my reads

. You’re using AtE but your appeal is inaccurate.

are these the "reads" you are referring to? because they are weak as shit

Those people who initiated my slot's lynch (Micc, well he's gone; Molla, Billy), and then the people who have added onto it now (Karnage mainly), I don't see how a policy lynch helps them at all in this situation. The goal should be to scumhunt, not policyhunt. My vote (if given the chance to explain it further), would probably go towards Billy. I understand he is being townread by most, but I felt like his initial reaction to Molla's fake (?) read on them at the beginning of the day wasn't as towny as originally thought.

My other scumread at the moment is probably Karnage. I don't think the Micc slot is scum, based on the logic Micc was using. I understand Micc is aggressive in these games but I don't think he was trying to mislead. Anaconda is hit or miss for me. I am waiting for a post that I'm like ha! Gottem! But I haven't seen one that has jumped out at me. Same with bepwei in that regard.

why don't you expand the WHY for each read in the time we have left?

is your scum read on billy solely because of his reaction to molla?

why am I a scumread for wanting a policy lynch but micc isn't?

how do you know micc is "agressive"? have you played with him before?

what is your read on molla?

can you say anything more than "hit or miss" for anaconda and bepwei?

[Karnage]

look, we’re not gonna get anywhere with you and I arguing with each other about this. We both think the other is scum. I have my reasons and you have a policy lynch. We all know what is stronger.

you've asked me questions about the "policy lynch", I've explained why it wasn't a policy lynch yet you continually misrep it as such. its almost like your intention is not to discern my alignment...

I think i've addressed just about every concern you've had regarding me BUT instead of answering MY questions (probably because you can't), you want to just agree to disagree lol

are you unable to expand on you reads or unwilling?

[Karnage]

I’m unwilling to expand on my reads for someone who is trying to refute me.

I have my reads before and I disagree with yours. If anyone else who is deciding this round has questions, please ask them towards me.

or you could just admit that you can't because they aren't real reads

[Karnage]

what do you think about RC and his fluctuating reads on gyro/jamelia?

I think its a little suspect, but the initial scum read was before Jamelia had caught up. I can see where a read can chenge after interacting solely with one slot for 2 pages.. However I do seem to remember RC saying he townread Gyro so, im not super sure.

when you go back and look, make note of how RC's scum read changes to a town read whenever the gyro/jam slot is in danger of being hammered then back to a town read when they are not.

just cleaning this up so its easier to read

[Karnage]

this is the part where RC shitposts to get the attention off his scum partner

[Karnage]

@Karnage, when did you think Molla and Micc were masons?

after 51

molla's town read didn't make sense so early in the game but i thought the fact they "had the same thought process" alluded to a mason PT which would explain it.

[Karnage]

@Karnage, when did you think Molla and Micc were masons?

after 51

molla's town read didn't make sense so early in the game but i thought the fact they "had the same thought process" alluded to a mason PT which would explain it.

that combined with how defensive of molla I felt Micc was

[Karnage]

w/e I'm committed leggo

thank you for your contribution I guess

I mean you could have commented on 652 which was my response to your case against me

or you could have acknowledged my 653 and cleared up how you were simultaneously "not scumreading" jamelia but had him as part of the scumteam.

maybe explain how the changes in your read on gyro/jam conveniently switched depending on whether they were in danger of being lynched as i showed in 654 and 655

but nope. just a couple shitposts

[Karnage]

if we mass claim how are we going to determine the order?

Jamelia should be first since him and I are the top lynch candidates atm and I've pretty much claimed already.

[Karnage]

RC, I hope you see what I’m seeing when it comes to Karnage at this point.

oh please share what you see with the entire class

[Karnage]

we have 12 hours

time for people to shit or get off the pot

[Karnage]

At this point it's not about who I'm voting it's about who I'm not voting.

and who are you NOT voting?

[Karnage]

Im not convinced with Karnage. Like I feel bad because i cant make up my mind on who to vote for. These replacements make it really hard to read

not convinced how? that I'm town or that I'm scum?

[Karnage]

Bupwei
Bbmolla
Billy
Jamelia

you must have some super solid town reads on them

[Karnage]

also I hardclaimed VT so I'm really questioning you thinking me and bbmolla were masons but ok

I know right? It’s as if I developed that read 20 pages before you even subbed in. And the hard VT claim? It’s not liked you claimed jester and suggested a guilty result on molla or something so what the fuck was I thinking not taking it at face value lol

[Karnage]

I claim jester

no need. jamelia isn't at L-1 and you're slot isn't even voting him like when you first claimed it.

[Karnage]

???

What's that supposed to mean

when you subbed in micc was voting gyro's slot. gyro was at L-1 and bep had stated intent to hammer. part of your shitposting was a jester claim and self vote which allowed you to move your vote off your scum partner without having to justify unvoting.

[Karnage]

Wouldn't that mean I have to be scum

Can I be a mafia-aligned jester?

you can tell me i'm right about 448 post game, you don't have to admit to it now if you don't want to

pedit: I would absolutely self hammer. better to get what info we can off my mislynch than to no lynch.

[Karnage]

we've got about 9 1/2 hours left. Not sure when I'll go to bed (had to get up at 3am today) but i'll be sure to check in right before.

[Karnage]

Would you vote Bupwei

would you?

p-edit: did you forget something?

Bupwei
Bbmolla
Billy
Jamelia

[Karnage]

Its either me or jamelia. everybody needs to pick a side

[Karnage]

Alright I don't think I'm doing a good job of making myself not the nightkill.

I hardclaim Mason.

Karnage how the fuck do you ever believe that me/Jamelia is SvS because that is a stupid fucking viewpoint

I think a mass claim is in order

[Karnage]

would RC claim mason as scum?

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

You should feel REALLY bad if you're town.

hey jamelia, THAT is AtE. just so you know for next time

[Karnage]

I still plan to self hammer if necessary but I hope to not have to before everybody else has had a chance to check in

p-edit: why? your not serious are you?

[Karnage]

And Karnage is literally trying to convince his top scumread Jamelia to go after a mason claim.

lol wut?

[Karnage]

You should feel REALLY bad if you're town.

hey jamelia, THAT is AtE. just so you know for next time

lol no

Why would I be afraid of the other people in this game? I replaced in with the lynch being on my slot and gave my reads. You’re using AtE but your appeal is inaccurate.

where have I appealed to emotion? you can say that but it doesn't make it true. I think I've been quite rational actually

[Karnage]

The only reason for Karnage to pursue a second Mason to out is because he doesn't know who it is which was something I worked hard to create.

the only reason for you to rush for somebody to hammer me is to avoid a counterclaim

[Karnage]

I'll correct my claim: I am not Mason. I am a power role whereby there is a high chance there is a protective role and I wanted to alert them to my existence.

i can't even think of an appropriate gif to portray this insanity lol

[Karnage]

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

dude please keep going... you're killing me lol

[Karnage]

yeah thats the stuff!

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

just putting this here for my own reference

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-25 04:18:13)

[Karnage]

don't you guys DARE lynch anybody but me or jamelia

RC is trying to find the "other" PR right now. don't do anything to help him

[Karnage]

don't you guys DARE lynch anybody but me or jamelia

RC is trying to find the "other" PR right now. don't do anything to help him

If this is true, why wouldnt you want to lynch RC?

because I don't think I can get the 4 votes.

I would happily vote him but I would need you, molla to do so as well PLUS get either bep or anaconda to show up and vote all in the next 8 hours. I'm not sure it can be done.

p-edit: WTF?

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

I'm going to need a minute here lol

[Karnage]

don't you guys DARE lynch anybody but me or jamelia

RC is trying to find the "other" PR right now. don't do anything to help him

Ok, so what’s the logic now Karnage? Do you wanna counter claim mason or do you still think RC is scum?

nope, no counter claim from me but don't expect me to start bowing at the altar of RC.

[Karnage]

How do you define that

What I mean is you gave me plenty of reason to scum read you. The fact I was wrong doesn't change that.

[Karnage]

You understand I was deliberately trying to be scummy right

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

Hell yeah boi

Did you like my you anti-town shmuck line

the past couple hours was gold. my wife was giving me funny looks because I was giggling to myself

[Karnage]

serious question

why anaconda?

p-edit: nvmd

[Karnage]

VOTE: bepwei

[Karnage]

Bepwei is not one of my scum leads. Why should I hammer?

because we have about 7 hours until the deadline

[Karnage]

@RC - i'm going to need you to explain your strong townread on jamelia

[Karnage]

I wanted to lynch bepwei back on day 1. this is what I pulled from my ISO

Spoiler:

Sure, the policy Lynch ends the day getting no information about any of the voters. It’s a get off of jail free card for anyone looking to vote a possible townie out of the game

(scum)

. As you are the most suspicious person right now

in the eyes of the town

, it would be beneficial for you to be able to vote someone without repercussions. I’ll look back at 27 now.

I've made this same mistake as scum. Who other than scum would be looking to vote a townie out of the game? Why the need to specify "in the eyes of the town"?

If you aren’t getting information, push harder on someone. As soon as LCpl exclaimed he was town, you seemed to back off. You want people to push yet you’re afraid to do it yourself. If you need information on day one, you need to press it out of people. If you want a vote you got it sir.

You’re managing to look like town without actually doing anything

. I don’t like the fact that you are looking for people to just follow your vote.
VOTE: Billy Pilgram

If he looks like town, why aren't you townreading him? unless you mean he looks like town to actual townies

VOTE: bepwei

The reasoning behind that question is that Billy now started to see the same thing I did. You have yet to really add anything as to why you think the Gilded slot is likely to be scum other than what has already been said. I dislike the inconsistency in the fact that you find them suspicious but don’t vote and don’t really explain your feelings behind it. All we’ve gotten from you about the gilded slot is that the replacement doesn’t make you feel better about it and that the FoS from LCpl.

So is Billy no longer a scum read for you?

The reasoning behind that question is that Billy now started to see the same thing I did. You have yet to really add anything as to why you think the Gilded slot is likely to be scum other than what has already been said. I dislike the inconsistency in the fact that you find them suspicious but don’t vote and don’t really explain your feelings behind it. All we’ve gotten from you about the gilded slot is that the replacement doesn’t make you feel better about it and that the FoS from LCpl.

So is Billy no longer a scum read for you?

I never said that... he may agree with me, but that doesn’t clear him.. sure it makes me feel better about him, but that would be letting him pocket me without Billy having to try.

"Billy now started to see the same thing I did" doesn't make sense to me when you don't pair it with an unvote. the wording implies that you know he is town yet you're still voting him.

"Billy now started to see the same thing I did" doesn't make sense to me when you don't pair it with an unvote. the wording implies that you know he is town yet you're still voting him.

Nowhere in that sentence does it indicate his alignment. The ‘same thing as me’ was included to tell you why I brought up the the connections to the Gilded slot flipping red and your possible alignment a second time.

it shows you believe he was seeing things from a town perspective because if he was scum any thing he sees would be FAKE!

I'm good with a bepwei wagon

I don't think this comes from town

I am confused why they would choose arkias as their NK. Any idea?

VOTE: bepwei

[Karnage]

Unofficial Vote Count

bepwei (3) ~

billy pilgrim, radiantcowbells, karnage

L-1

karnage (1) ~

jamelia,

jamelia (1) ~

bbmolla,

not voting (2) ~

heavy anaconda, bepwei

with 7 alive it's 4 to lynch

deadline:

(expired on 2019-11-25 04:18:13)
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[Karnage]

Is this your strongest scumread at the moment? Same with RC / Karnage? (Asking both of you the same question)

PoE leaves me with a lynch pool of: bepwei = jamelia > anaconda

I'd lynch either you or bepwei atm

[Karnage]

I've got about 2 more hours left in me so if we don't have a lynch by then I won't be around to help after

[Karnage]

I do not understand bepwei being the #1 scum lead.

I'm just "meh" on anaconda. still don't have a feel either way.

I'm not convinced you are town in the least. I don't see how and why RC feels so strongly you are town but I don't think you are getting lynched without his support.

bepwei becomes number one then. for the stuff I linked already and skimming my notes I have written down that he hasn't posted any real reads. As a result I think he's more likely to flip scum than anaconda so with maybe 6 hours left until the deadline that's good enough for me.

p-edit: what changed??? RC/Billy fucking claimed masons, thats what changed. RC is effectively confirmed town so my whole RC/jam scumteam is shot

[Karnage]

Heavy has posted more reads than I have? The person getting prodded? I can go back and link reads, but there is no way heavy has more.

I never said they had more just that you haven't posted any real reads

[Karnage]

just putting this here for my own reference

Deadline: (expired on 2019-11-25 04:18:13)

[Karnage]

@RC - probably would have been a good idea to have done this deep dive into the game when you subbed instead of being intentionally scummy for almost all of Day 2 but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Are we lynching me or are we lynching somebody else? I need to go to sleep

[Karnage]

It's more fun to play the game normally instead of doing what I'm doing now but I don't want to lose this game.

neither do I but I also wish I hadn't wasted my Sunday following your fake scum trail when I could have been focusing in on ACTUAL scum

[Karnage]

There’s 4 of us online right now to vote for either Bep or Karnage.

I think the strongest case lays within Karnage. Does anyone disagree with me?

I don't agree but do what you gotta do

[Karnage]

Do you mind if I postpone this 20 minutes and do a second meta on Karnage from an alternate viewpoint

aka can you stay up for 20 more minutes Billy/Jam

its your world my man, the rest of us are just living in it

[Karnage]

It's more fun to play the game normally instead of doing what I'm doing now but I don't want to lose this game.

neither do I but I also wish I hadn't wasted my Sunday following your fake scum trail when I could have been focusing in on ACTUAL scum

Or you could have used your own judgment instead of blindly following someone who you then deemed scum.

You’re either scum or a bad townie, and either way it doesn’t help us.

what the fuck are you even talking about? I'm a "bad townie"? who are you?

[Karnage]

Also Karnage, I apologize for being so aggro towards you. I’m just trying to figure out scum the same way you are. I’ve just had less time and we cannot afford a mislynch.

Reading this game last night made me realize so many people are complacent. That’s why RC was able to waste so much of your time. Do I think hEs mafia? No, but I think everyone else should have been trying to figure it out

I've got a fifth of the total posts in this game so please don't try to call me complacent. I've been working to solve the game from page 1.

gotta say, its fucking RARE that somebody has legit gotten me pissed off here. congratulations

p-edit: my man you have no idea what you are talking about

[Karnage]

My slot was SUCH an easy slot to lynch this round until I came in and actually gave a read from the slot. Now people cannot say my slot is a policy lynch. From that point, our goal should have been to find scum. Instead, we are running out of time and we have to forcefully choose between two lynches that not everyone is going to be happy with due to us avoiding a ML.

Do you see why this is ridiculously frustrating? Especially for me, someone who is trying to make something happen?

my man, I've been there, done that.

did you read any of my posts about RC's interaction with you? how he seemed to change his reads in what looked like an attempt to protect you? I didn't make a case for a RC/Jam team? nah, just keep telling yourself you townspewed and it was all just a "policy lynch"

[Karnage]

There’s a difference between your quantity and quality of posts. As RC KEEPS POINTING OUT, your posts contradict themselves sometimes and then they just don’t help at all! Like, it’s so easy to explain yourself just a little further but you’re mad at RC for “acting scummy” while failing to accurately figure out who scum is.

If you think it’s Bep, fine. I want good reasons why, just like I stated before Bep came online.

yeah my bad, I scum read the guy that was intentionally trying to look scummy. Jokes on me lol

[Karnage]

I think that Karnage has played outside of his scum meta significantly. I don't know if that makes him scum given I'm on a long streak of scum players having the best games they've ever played.

How many years has it been since we played in a game together? "meta" is such overrated bullshit

[Karnage]

I read them, but I honestly thought that was you trying to quicklynch me and try not to have others even attempt to look at my thoughts at all.

bullshit. i didn't try to quicklynch anybody

p-edit: enough of the ego trip RC, just fucking vote somebody already

[Karnage]

maybe you can take a minute to explain your jam townread?

[Karnage]

I've seen your current frustration before from both alignments Karnage and I think that regardless of your alignment engaging with you will end up not being productive.

so that's a no then to explaining your jam read?

[Karnage]

I really think that you should be able to see from a third party viewpoint why I townread him?

if you can't explain the read or if you just don't want to that's cool i guess, i don't care anymore

[Karnage]

is that 2 votes or 3?

p-edit: go ahead bep, I'll hammer

[Karnage]

good luck town. seems to me you will need it

VOTE: karnage

Spoiler:

[Karnage]

i'm town so start working on your contingency plans

[Karnage]

You scum?

Yeah, I was at work. I would have hammered sooner but. Oh well.

Shocked I won. Didn’t think I’d win tbh. I just felt bad for skitter because I wanted to replace into a game that was dying. I thought it was pretty obvious my slot was mafia from an initial read. But gg everyone

I'm glad to find out you were scum. you had me so pissed of day 2 lol

gg

[Karnage]

I genuinely felt so so bad being mean to you. It’s not my character to be like that, but that was the only way to sell what I was trying to say.

its all good

[Karnage]

Smh no credit to my amazing plays

lol