Newbie 1964 [Game Over]

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Hello all.
I am thinking Arkias and/or Micc are mafia over this rhetorical argument about how there gonna lynch a lurker.
Kinda reminds me of my home meta.

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So what’s the purpose of the vote you made in post 30? You’ve already been in the thread plenty and laid down an RVS vote. What purpose does an additional RVS vote serve? From my point of view the reasons look a lot like you appearing to create content while not actually creating content, which is something you called out as something scum happily achieve by sheeping.

I don't see any reason why you can't have multiple RVS votes. I think you could safely say that I've moved the game out of RVS. What scum motivation do you see in that? Why would I call out a tactic that you claim that I am using myself thus drawing attention to it?

I don't think you deserve credit for moving the game from RVS by laying down extra RVS votes when Karnage and I are over here trying to ask game advancing questions. I do think there is scum motivation for you to misrepresent who is doing the real work here.

Micc is either mafia or just plain manipulative. Knowing Karnage is "pocketing"Jones, he goes to pocket Karnage.
This is an FoS on Micc

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I think the Jones wagon sucks.
It just went "Town Cred denied." Pressure vote, Pressure vote.
His response was to throw a fit.
I think your looking to policy lynch him at this point tbh.

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VOTE: Billy Pilgrim
Figure I better back that up.

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What a world we live in

Jones wagon goes to l-2 and his response is to quit but not really quit and y’all are calling it a bad push.

It’s been a bad push cause none of y’all piled on to make it an l-1 wagon when he decided to throw hands in the air and play victim.

What is the difference is between L-1 and L-2 on your read there? Potential to hammer only?

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@Heavy - what makes you think I'm looking to policy lynch Jones?

Basically cause you were voting him prior.
It looks as if you were looking to draw negative attention to his emotional response by not showing much emotion yourself.

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What is the difference is between L-1 and L-2 on your read there? Potential to hammer only?

the one vote makes a big difference. at l-1 someone can state their intent to hammer at any point and then you have to claim, and that's a big deal for scum. It's also one more person putting their neck on the line to be part of a meaningful wagon and that's something that reads can be built off of. heck maybe someone who is on the wagon has cold feet and backs off and reads can be made from that.

the point here being that in a game of this size, l-1 wagons mean things are much more real and meaningful when compared to everything else.

You make a interesting point about vote importance scaling with the size of the game. Although that notion would imply I should treat everyday In small games more like lylo, I see your point.
The rest is arguable however, for example I would argue running up a player to L1 in hopes of extracting a claim would be considered scummy.

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anaconda, is it scummy for me to run Jones up to L-1 and push for a claim if I think he's scum?

Yeah in hindsight.
I will also add, if every vote is precious, they so is every role reveal.

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So, what action would you recommend someone who is town take when they decide another player is scum? (voting them to L-1 not being a good option of course because you see it as scummy)

First off, I think it's better if the player under pressure responds as naturally as possible. He likely would have exhibited the same reaction if he found himself L1 rather than L2. So concerning my read on him I didn't think it worthwhile to add another vote.

Secondly, my vote did not wreck your wagon. It seems funny to me you also "threw your hands in the air" when you found a counter wagon instead of your Jones being at L1.

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@micc
I didn't answer the question cause you were misrepping the issue.
Obviously players are going to reach L1 before they hit majority. I asked you first why the fuss over L1/L2. For example, If pausing at L1 to make reads is good procedure, then why not L2? Are the reads more credible, if so why? The perceived amount of duress?

Secondly you know what I'm referring to. You made the statement "What a world we live in." That is also an appeal to emotion.

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I don't think I've misrepresented anything here. I answered those questions in post 204 and you responded to them, but there's some logic that I think is flawed in that response and I feel compelled to challenge that logic. I'll happily take another shot at explaining L-1 vs L-2 again in exchange for you explaining how townies are supposed to lynch scum without making wagons which you called scummy.

I'm thinking about this, as I want to give you a satisfactory answer. The issue likely lies with some perception of site meta, which I don't fully understand yet. My points are valid though. Remember, the original issue im arguing is why I voted against the Jones wagon.

I think your trying to argue a point like since finding yourself at L1 is along the "natural course" of a player being lynched regardless of intent, there is nothing inherently scummy about it. In fact it the most optimal pressure position because blah blah

My original point was scum can do this looking for a claim to better inform there kill. That will be true regardless of site meta.

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...I have been looking at how you presented it.
These are my thoughts.

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In light of Jones replacing out, it looks to me as though Micc and Jones couldn't share an alignment.
That's what you guys call a hot take. Heh

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Actually I mean to say they both couldn't be scum

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I must still be on tunnel on Micc mode.

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@Bepwei - if I'm scum, am I trying to blend in, or am I trying to deepwolf? Because it seems like you're suggesting both in your explanation to Karnage.

Not here to answer for Bepwei. But what do you actually mean by "deepwolf"?

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I googled it

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Every time I reread I just want to tear into Micc again.

Waiting on Guildedsun pick a side. Have you made it to post 100? Was wondering what you thought of that. Also #155.

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Ok, I thought it meant like a wolf deep undercover. Bussing or otherwise playing against his win con.

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My side or his side is what I pretty much meant.
"I want you to take a stance on current issues" would be a better answer

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You ARE manipulative. Look at the way you've accused Guilded.

1.) My challenge for guilded, and anyone who thinks I’m a valid lynch candidate here, is to explain why I have to be doing these things you don’t like as

scum and not town.

2.) I think guilded in particular is likely to have landed on the

former and not the latter

because I’m being seen as the most viable counterwagon to lynching scum guilded.

I separated these two sentences to show that they don't logic properly. You just reference one with the other to carry the premise Guilded is scum to your conclusion.

You conclude Guilded must be scum (the leading wagon) because you perceive yourself as the next best lynch. Which doesn't hold.

Guilded is "the former, not the latter" because she can't prove your scum?

Same trick you used against me the other day.

VOTE: micc

[Heavy Anaconda]

Now you are next in line. Heh

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He says he ain't scummy for wanting to run up an AtE lynch to L1.
I don't think I'm wrong here.

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It's "scum indicative" simply because I disagreed with his scum read.
Just like your doing to me right now.

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I gonna vote Micc again

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Just make the third vote, Micc.
You know you want to

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Just make the third vote, Micc.
You know you want to

What are you trying to accomplish with this post?

I'm trying to point out how scummy you are.

As I implied, you were looking for approval to push Bepwei's wagon. I believe if you were really not looking to push that wagon, you would have voiced opinions directly against it or remained silent.

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Just make the third vote, Micc.
You know you want to

What are you trying to accomplish with this post?

I'm trying to point out how scummy you are.

As I implied, you were looking for approval to push Bepwei's wagon. I believe if you were really not looking to push that wagon, you would have voiced opinions directly against it or remained silent.

You’re also implying you want approval to make a wagon on me. I believe if you were really looking to push my wagon you would have stated your case directly and/or voted me.

heh, I guess that

would

be a judgment call for the town.

Here is my relevant post.

I gonna vote Micc again

Here is Micc's

Can you guys sell me on bepwei?

Does town agree or disagree that my post means the same thing as Micc's?

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I can't believe all these replacements. If a game like this happened on my forum, we'd just scrap it.
Anyway, content this evening.

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I'm here. I do not have the reads list I imagined I would make prepared. (A town/null/scum type list with real reasons) Kinda thrown off by Miccs force replace. Still think the slots scum, but now I can't run a lynch a Micc anymore. Also, no one responded to my post were I wanted to discuss town\nontown motives for appealing to the audience to drive a wagon.
I feel we are not doing proper scum hunting, just going on a feel of conformity to your expectations. There is nothing really wrong with this method, sometimes in games it is right to lynch the weakest player, but this is the same scenario from yesterday where gilded replaced in to get lynched for reasons. Cause to the players pushing policy (like policies on being accepted into lylo).
Where will the wagon rebound If we don't policy lynch?
I wonder if those players will actually be able to see the new players points. And simply condemn the slot due to it having a been tarnished, but it's a self preservation bias that informs policy.


I won't make anymore promises wrt activity other than if I do post a reads list it would be a for sure solve .

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...read my entire post

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@Radient

You are not Micc. I can call for your lynch due to Micc's actions, with the fact you have the same alignment but there is also the fact you could not help what your slot did prior to you replacing in.

Creating a double standard with regards to your posting you seem happy to exploit. "If I thought he was scum, then you must think you are scum'" Yes, but your history is despite the fact you now have different personalities. And very different tactics. Perhaps it would be better to reasess you based on this new style,

so my point is I can't run a "Micc lynch" anymore. It's a "policy lynch" disregarding the fact you replace in a do stuff.

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Right, because this meta dictates, if you don't, your scum. That was one of the Tells that got Guilded lynched.

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What did Micc say?

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All the replacements were interesting seeing how they warp the meta.
I liked butting heads with the masons, and seeing how their play is not so different than mafia.