Mini Normal 2107 (Game Over)

[Elements]

Hi again to Elements, Saladman, and sausage
Nice to meet the rest of you.

Let's quickly fast forward through RVS yeah?
VOTE: vork

This is my move and I don't like that you've stolen it from me.
VOTE: vork

[Elements]

I think sausage is town

[Elements]

The confidence extruded of having caught scum so early.

[Elements]

Similar vibes from my previous games with them

[Elements]

Similar vibes from my previous games with them

Were they right?

Maybe partially? But they were town.

[Elements]

VOTE: wimpy

[Elements]

yo wimpy, why you so angsty? Take a chill pill my dude.
VOTE: Elements
It's not counter win condition to vote yourself at this stage. There are no wagons, there's no possibility to be lynched from it. It generated discussion which is pro town. I think you should

[Elements]

yo wimpy, why you so angsty? Take a chill pill my dude.
VOTE: Elements
It's not counter win condition to vote yourself at this stage. There are no wagons, there's no possibility to be lynched from it. It generated discussion which is pro town. I think you should vote yourself. It's very liberating.

EBWOP

[Elements]

VOTE: wimpy

This is agood vote

<3

[Elements]

so nobody is going to actually answer my question?

yes

[Elements]

so nobody is going to actually answer my question?

yes

answered your question, so does that mean I lied?!

[Elements]

so nobody is going to actually answer my question?

What was your question?

[Elements]

I'm gonna go back here
VOTE: wimpy

[Elements]

Just because you say you think he is scum doesn't mean he actually

So you're saying we shouldn't vote our scum reads?

[Elements]

So you're saying we shouldn't vote our scum reads?

idk how you got that from what I said

You said you don't like the votes on wake because they're policy votes. So you don't think they should be voting wake. They say they scum read wake. Ergo you don't think they should be voting their scum read.

[Elements]

For those playing at home, Here are the two games where town player says the same thing as wake,

https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 3#p9922853
https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.p ... 2#p9854602

I really need to hear a GOOD explanation from profli as to why he is so quick to scum read wake for it when he has seen town do it twice and thus making it null as alidade and myself have pointed out.

this don't mean jack shit if wake only says it as scum. you should be checking his game for when he's said it.

[Elements]

you're the one involved in this argument not me

[Elements]

Did we just bully wimpy into leaving?

[Elements]

UNVOTE:
I'm back from my intense weekend of sports and I will read through the thread and doing some actually playing some time this evening. I'm GMT so probably the afternoon for most of you.

[Elements]

I had UltimatePlank marked as scum in my mind but now I feel otherwise

Can you spoonfeed me a reason for plank-town? I have a lot of lazy scumreads and he's one of them, help me narrow things down friend

They decided to completely fabricate my read on wake which I had at no point eluded to or given and used that to push me as scum multiple times. When no one was joining in they as good as dropped it.

In 409 they responded to profii in such a jumble of minced words I had to read it twice to understand what they were saying. It's phrased in such a way to make people skimming the thread think salad is scummy when in actual fact the arguments being used are cyclical and make zero sense.

I think 435 and 456 are distancing posts. 435 starts out looking like looker is building up a scum case for UP but then looker decided to keep his vote on me even after using UP's push on me as reasoning for them being scummy? Doesn't make sense.

I think both Looker and UP are scum here.
VOTE: UP
because I don't know how many looker is on and I cba to count.

[Elements]

VOTE: Looker
That's L-1

[Elements]

VOTE: Looker
That's L-1

[Elements]

2. Why do you instead continue to have a bizarre fixation on Elements instead? If there was a time to move on over to bigger and better things it's with this post, but instead you posture about how you're going to move and continue to vote park someone who at the time wasn't even here.

"Continue" and "bizarre" (and "fixation") are exaggerative. "Bigger" and "better" are also subjective. Day 1's not over, input is required from everyone, and it worked - Elements returned and contributed as opposed to his previous lackluster posts.

I'm sorry, but it reads here like you're saying my return from V/LA had something to do with your vote on me? What planet could you be on to possibly think that? I do not believe for a second you genuinely think that your single vote on me changed my activity level or was likely to in the slightest. You just didn't want to vote plank and had to come up with some excuse.

Just hammer this wake idc for a claim at this point.

[Elements]

Also don't care for Elements's or Plank's votes on Looker either.

What do you not like about mine?

[Elements]

Thoughts on Saudade being Scum?

Either he's really dumb or dishonest Town, or he's not-so-subtle Scum.

I'm getting the same vibes from when I've played with him as town, but I've never played with him as scum so that could just be his whole play style as both alignments.

[Elements]

VOTE: ultimateplank

[Elements]

I had UltimatePlank marked as scum in my mind but now I feel otherwise

Can you spoonfeed me a reason for plank-town? I have a lot of lazy scumreads and he's one of them, help me narrow things down friend

They decided to completely fabricate my read on wake which I had at no point eluded to or given and used that to push me as scum multiple times. When no one was joining in they as good as dropped it.

In 409 they responded to profii in such a jumble of minced words I had to read it twice to understand what they were saying. It's phrased in such a way to make people skimming the thread think salad is scummy when in actual fact the arguments being used are cyclical and make zero sense.

I think 435 and 456 are distancing posts. 435 starts out looking like looker is building up a scum case for UP but then looker decided to keep his vote on me even after using UP's push on me as reasoning for them being scummy? Doesn't make sense.

I think both Looker and UP are scum here.
VOTE: UP
because I don't know how many looker is on and I cba to count.

I found the team back on page 19 guys

[Elements]

We should no lynch due to the no kill,

Mathematically its optimal.

Or we could lynch the next scum...

[Elements]

@sausage, given that no one is ever going to pay attention to your suggestion of a no lynch, you may as well help up lynch someone so you actually get some put in into the game. Who would you be most willing to lynch?

[Elements]

Are jesters allowed in normal games?

[Elements]

wake, alimdia, elbirn im never voting in this game

Why not me?

[Elements]

I don't have much time rn read much, but what's the case on saudade other than tunnelling wake?

Not advancing the game, advocating no lynch, trying to get the looker wagon to dissolve in favour of a wake one.

[Elements]

VOTE: saudade
L-1

[Elements]

Are you going to hammer me Vorkuta

Vorkuta will give intent to, but won't follow through with it.

[Elements]

Are you scum reading me purely because of my vote on you?

[Elements]

Are you scum reading me purely because of my vote on you?

Well you havent been involved in this game exactly

That doesn't answer my question

[Elements]

I still don't like plank, nothing they've done today has made with think they can't be lookers buddy
VOTE: plank

[Elements]

Dead game state tbh

Maybe vote for someone, that might liven it up.

[Elements]

Look alimdia, it worked!
VOTE: vorkuta

[Elements]

Well I'm not quickhammering

It's L-2

[Elements]

Well I'm not quickhammering

It's L-2

Scrap that, I thought I was voting vork before I unvoted. It is L-1. Read this before you accidentally hammer.

[Elements]

could be helpful if you told us

[Elements]

VOTE: plank

[Elements]

Enough with this.

VOTE: Saudade

If that wasn't a hammer, intent to hammer

[Elements]

Everyone except Zote has been online since I posted intent and no one seems to object so
VOTE: saudade

[Elements]

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

There's something, I don't know if you've heard of it, called being asleep. If you're referring to today's activity that's what I've been doing up until now.

[Elements]

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

There's something, I don't know if you've heard of it, called being asleep. If you're referring to today's activity that's what I've been doing up until now.

There's something, I don't know if you've heard of it, called breaking necks. If you're wondering today's activity that's what I've been thinking up to now.

Is that a threat?

[Elements]

Zote, Elements, Salad, Elbirn, and Plank.

You all need to contribute.

There's something, I don't know if you've heard of it, called being asleep. If you're referring to today's activity that's what I've been doing up until now.

There's something, I don't know if you've heard of it, called breaking necks.

If you're wondering today's activity

that's what I've been thinking up to now.

This doesn't make grammatical sense

[Elements]

Large Normals do not have third party roles you fools!

@Mod:

I will be V/LA until Nov 22nd.

I think the remaining scum is in {Salad, profii, Plank, Saudade}. I will expand on this when I get back.

Precept Forty-One: Learn to Detect Lies. When others speak, they usually lie. Scrutinise and question them relentlessly until they reveal their deceit.

I'm good with Saudade and Vork. Those fools need to eat rope.

VOTE: Saudade

Precept Seven: Mourn Not the Dead. When we die, do things get better for us or worse? Theres no way to tell, so we shouldnt bother mourning. Or celebrating for that matter.

it does say it at the top of the page

[Elements]

ignore the quotes. They'll become relevent soon

[Elements]

Large Normals do not have third party roles you fools!

@Mod:

I will be V/LA until Nov 22nd.

I think the remaining scum is in {Salad, profii, Plank, Saudade}. I will expand on this when I get back.

Precept Forty-One: Learn to Detect Lies. When others speak, they usually lie. Scrutinise and question them relentlessly until they reveal their deceit.

I think the only person I'd consider voting for on wagon is Salad, he possibly reluctantly voted looker and also I am pinged slightly with him sheeping elements case and saying the day will be quick - it comes over as if he is knowingly going to be inactive and assumes that case will be enough to end the day before he comes back

But that just seems to naive to be scum

Believe it or not I think Saladman's hammer was kinda townie.

I'm good with Saudade and Vork. Those fools need to eat rope.

VOTE: Saudade

Precept Seven: Mourn Not the Dead. When we die, do things get better for us or worse? Theres no way to tell, so we shouldnt bother mourning. Or celebrating for that matter.

F O O L S !

Were you not aware that Vorkuta was V/LA? Why did we not give him time to claim?

This progression is very strange as I'm sure you can all see.
It's just contradiction after contradiction. There was no expansion when he got back either.
VOTE: zote

[Elements]

Well, to be fair, I accepted Alimdia's suggestion that we do the popcorn route to claim. I claimed and then passed the popcorn.

And then continued to tell people to claim which is not at all what the popcorn idea was

[Elements]

The two night three PR claims does seem dubious to me, but why would scum fake claim in this game if one of them is scum?
Scum!alimdia sees wake PR claim and an opportunity for a mislynch by counter claiming however this then throws suspicion on him for the next day lynch. The only way I see this being the scum is if there was a traitor in the game who is likely to win a a 4 player mylo. Which I don't think is the case.
Scum!Wake as the only scum left takes a gamble and claims night 3 PR. Specifically jailor. Not night killing and jailing a player people are finding suspicious left him set up a mis lynch and then revoke that he push them as scum with the good old "They must have been attacked then." But he didn't do this so town points there.

Wake: Why do you think Profil was attacked or is scum even though we've had no night kills on either of the other nights?
Alimdia: Why do you not want to reveal what role you are? You are already in contest with the N3 so if someone claims your ability later for you to counter claim, which I'm assuming is why you're not, it looks doubly bad on you.

[Elements]

I think it's kind of hilarious, because you're saying it's not possible for there to be two N3 PRs so my unpressured claim is not legitimate, yet Alimdia's vague claim somehow is?

The progression of the post is "Two night 3 abilities seems dubious -> neither claim seems like a good scum play"

[Elements]

That being said, do unvote Wake so theres no fast hammers and what not. And also so we can scrutinize more people

As in people unvote on wake

Why are you so placid towards the second N3 protective role?

[Elements]

VOTE: wake

[Elements]

man, this game got heated real quick
UNVOTE:

[Elements]

man, this game got heated real quick
UNVOTE:

why did you come in just to unvote me and make that comment?

This was an unvote on wake after his outburst when he thought he was lynched. Nothing to do with you.

[Elements]

VOTE: salad
ill help you out

[Elements]

VOTE: salad
that's the hammmer

[Elements]

IF we decide to go elsewhere I'm probably going to Eve.

Why would eve fake hammer an otherwise easy mislynch?

[Elements]

VOTE: saladman

[Elements]

i don't think anyone currently not on the salad wagon - excluding salad - is scum.

[Elements]

you worry me elements

in what way?

[Elements]

so you're saying because there's a possibility ali healed someone you're loyal JK must have failed on profii?

[Elements]

VOTE: plank

[Elements]

so you're saying because there's a possibility ali healed someone you're loyal JK must have failed on profii?

no reason ali healed Elbirn and I sat in jail doing nothing at all

VOTE: plank

what?

My current views:
The last scum was on the Salad wagon.
They were not the hammer on the Salad wagon.
That leaves the last scum in Plank, Eve, Profii.
Of those three I think Plank is the most likely scum.

[Elements]

because...?

to which bit?

[Elements]

because...?

to which bit?

"Of those three I think Plank is the most likely scum."

The way Looker votes him when I said they'd had little interaction

[Elements]

not rlly

[Elements]

Only person I townread is Wake

Have a bad feeling about Elements - is there a reason why he's under no suspicion?

Coz he's town

[Elements]

i only truly have one scumread in the game rn because i have at least some slight reason for a TR on everyone in the game that isn't elements

Interesting how your only scum read is the only person who thinks you're scum.
Coincidence?
I think not.

[Elements]

VOTE: no lynch
Watch how plank doesn't die tonight because he's the last mafia and doesn't want to kill himself. Watch how I don't die tonight because I'm the most dubious player atm.

[Elements]

where is your raw analytic power wake?

[Elements]

VOTE: Plank

[Elements]

The only thing we know scum have done are the kills and what looker did. The kills could have been from anyone and generally aren't helpful to look at, and I think Looker's vote on plank was incredibly incriminating.

[Elements]

In what

planet

universe is that an alpaca?

[Elements]

There's 5 of us left, I think the last scum is plank of wake. Plank because of looker, wake because of claims.

[Elements]

Is the only reason you're Scumreading me because of my claim?

You're also super dodge

[Elements]

It's an axolotl

[Elements]

I just finished 6 days of work in a row and I have my work xmas party tonight...so I'll post again in a couple days most likely pending speed of recovery.

Why does hypothetical scum wake kill profii there though?

Because night kills are meaningless

[Elements]

It's related to a salamander and can regrow limbs if they are removed somehow

[Elements]

oi people, this game still exists

[Elements]

I had UltimatePlank marked as scum in my mind but now I feel otherwise

Can you spoonfeed me a reason for plank-town? I have a lot of lazy scumreads and he's one of them, help me narrow things down friend

They decided to completely fabricate my read on wake which I had at no point eluded to or given and used that to push me as scum multiple times. When no one was joining in they as good as dropped it.

In 409 they responded to profii in such a jumble of minced words I had to read it twice to understand what they were saying. It's phrased in such a way to make people skimming the thread think salad is scummy when in actual fact the arguments being used are cyclical and make zero sense.

I think 435 and 456 are distancing posts. 435 starts out looking like looker is building up a scum case for UP but then looker decided to keep his vote on me even after using UP's push on me as reasoning for them being scummy? Doesn't make sense.

I think both Looker and UP are scum here.
VOTE: UP
because I don't know how many looker is on and I cba to count.

[Elements]

I'm also VT

[Elements]

Going good, currently wrapping Christmas presents

[Elements]

Plank is going to claim scum so I don't think it matters what order

[Elements]

We have 3 days left to lynch plank.
I feel like if eve was scum she would've joined me in lynching plank a while ago

[Elements]

He's scum

[Elements]

so you don't want to lynch scum?

[Elements]

I had UltimatePlank marked as scum in my mind but now I feel otherwise

Can you spoonfeed me a reason for plank-town? I have a lot of lazy scumreads and he's one of them, help me narrow things down friend

They decided to completely fabricate my read on wake which I had at no point eluded to or given and used that to push me as scum multiple times. When no one was joining in they as good as dropped it.

In 409 they responded to profii in such a jumble of minced words I had to read it twice to understand what they were saying. It's phrased in such a way to make people skimming the thread think salad is scummy when in actual fact the arguments being used are cyclical and make zero sense.

I think 435 and 456 are distancing posts. 435 starts out looking like looker is building up a scum case for UP but then looker decided to keep his vote on me even after using UP's push on me as reasoning for them being scummy? Doesn't make sense.

I think both Looker and UP are scum here.
VOTE: UP
because I don't know how many looker is on and I cba to count.

[Elements]

who do you think is scum?

[Elements]

he flips scum so it's all fine

[Elements]

who is scum then?

[Elements]

i mean, if you can't tell me who it is that isn't plank how am I meant to not think it's plank?

[Elements]

VOTE: wake
when this flips town can we get plank?

[Elements]

UNVOTE:

[Elements]

How is what I've done a scum play?
Also plank and eve have yet to claim

[Elements]

are all these "why"s leading up to some pure analytical power?

[Elements]

sorry im in the middle of christmas madness right now

i think we should lynch elements and gg

Why?

Plank needs to get rid of me because I'm the only one pushing him as scum and killing me at night is too incriminating.

[Elements]

I don't need to to myself favours because I'm town. I can play in parallel to everyone and still be doing my bit.

[Elements]

I'd rather lynch wake then me
VOTE: wake

[Elements]

if you're going to lynch me, can plank and eve claim first?

[Elements]

I'd rather lynch wake then me
VOTE: wake

You seem rather defensive.

I was not even voting for you, and I was looking at Zote's slot.

Did you mistype?

do you want to reassess what you're saying to make sure it's logical

[Elements]

you're who I think scum is if it's not plank

[Elements]

why does you voting me come into it at all?

[Elements]

if you're happy voting eve, why don't you vote them?
Why do you need me to vote for her first?

[Elements]

everyone wants to claim last i guess

i've got a real powerful claim lined up so i'll go later thanks

we're still waiting on this

[Elements]

lynch plank

[Elements]

sorry Elements

I didn't know how to convince anyone it was plank except with the day one association, and the rlly dodgy vote for me at my lynch.
Everything else was seamless