Newbie 1965 | River | Over

[TheGildedSun]

Good morning everyone. Sorry for being late, timezones and all that.

Gjt is playing similar to how I initially reacted to being voted in a previous game, as that was my first game and I was not aware it was a custom in terms of forum mafia to random vote D1 to get everyone talking.
Also, this is their first game, at least on this site.

Question for Gjt: were you familiar with the random voting custom on D1 before this game? And, what is your prior experience with mafia?

[TheGildedSun]

VOTE: GayBabyJailor

I have been meaning to comment on this for a while now. I cannot tell whether or not their responses are short because they are scum. As it may just be because they are a new player and warming up to Forum Mafia, which I completely understand.

Think of this vote as less of a threat and more so as a poke, for you to open up with your opinions.

So far the things Jailor has said seem to just agree with whatever was previously said by other players.

For instance:

hello i have arrived
gjt sus af

hello i have arrived
gjt sus af

That's a rather fast conclusion to be honest. Not that it makes you scum, since that would perhaps be a bit aggressive.

ok maybe gjt isn't as sus as i say

Here they seem to just agree with what MapWolf said about their read of Gjt and went along with it.

Jailor, why did you initially claim that Gjt was suspicious, what is YOUR reasoning? (Not anyone elses, specifically yours.)
Also, what made you stop thinking he was suspicious? Was it only because of Map Wolf?

One thing to know about playing mafia is that you'll need to trust your gut instinct, don't let others deter you from your opinions. Who knows if that player who is trying to shift your views is actually scum and trying to make everyone believe in mafia's favor?

[TheGildedSun]

ok bros heres my list

wolf: scum
blatant scum: scum
tgs: town
rise: town
gjt: town?
faus: town?
guiltylion: scum?

What makes you draw these assumptions? Elaborate a little bit. What do you think of the tone coming from some of the posts?

[TheGildedSun]

blatant scum cuz they say their reads are bad as the reason to not post them like what???
wolf idk honestly

tgs:you are very questioning of me that's town
rise: same

gjt faus and guiltylion: didnt want to put neutral

What makes you believe specifically that that is a town trait? In fact it is a common scum tactic to start questioning someone who is innocent to raise suspicions and hopefully get them lynched. (For an extra kill)

[TheGildedSun]

blatant scum cuz they say their reads are bad as the reason to not post them like what???

Waste of energy.
I will rather mechsolve this game on day 3.

Some games don't last to D3. (Town kills a mafia D1, and D2. Game is won.)

If we make efforts to gamesolve early then the game can be won in the towns favor. If we as town continue to wait it out then scum will gain leverage, and if you are truly town then that's not something you'd want, is it?

[TheGildedSun]

UNVOTE: GayBabyJailor

I don't think they are scum. I didn't really in the beginning, and I don't think so now.

I think they are a new player who is warming up to forum mafia and is doing very well in terms of doing research (MafiaScum Wiki) on terms and tactics. I like that.

[TheGildedSun]

Gilded seems a lot more knowledgeable and less scattered than she was in previous game we played together.

have you been swotting that wiki?

Somewhat, and I've warmed up quite a bit on Forum Mafia and the general practices of the players. I think it's fair to say that I understand it all a whole lot better. And a little more confident with my reads on tone and whatnot.

[TheGildedSun]

UNVOTE: GayBabyJailor

I don't think they are scum. I didn't really in the beginning, and I don't think so now.

I think they are a new player who is warming up to forum mafia and is doing very well in terms of doing research (MafiaScum Wiki) on terms and tactics. I like that.

Scumreading town is scummy?

What do you mean by this? Are you referring to something I said, previously or in this post? I was saying that Jailor doesn't appear to be scum. I think they're town, at least at this moment.

Wait, I think I just realized that you might be confused as to who I am referring to in terms of not being scum. (I was quite vague, I meant to be referring to Jailor as I had unvoted them previous in the post)

But that is still confusing to me because I never called anyone, at least directly, scummy?

[TheGildedSun]

alright what games have you been reading?

don't refer to ongoing games btw.

I've peeked into some long since ended games to see the common D1 dynamic between players, and just learned a lot from the previous game.

I'm still leaning towards GBJ as bigger scum read currently. Least we finally getting some action going on here. We'll certainly get some better info

They haven't really done anything particularly scummy, at least in my book. What stands out to you as scummy? The reason I initially looked into them was due to their short and surface posts, I wanted to hear their general opinions as opposed to their seemingly far too agreeing justification posts as agreeing with what had been previously said without putting in their input.

Honestly trying to sound too agreeing can come off as a scummy thing but GBJ is clearly a newer player, and as their first game they are currently warming up to forum mafia. It is a big transition to make, they probably just weren't sure what to do or say.

And I don't want to be speaking on their behalf and just assuming things, so I'd like to give Jailor a chance to explain. GBJ, what are your first thoughts on this game so far, and were you confused or unsure in the beginning at all?

[TheGildedSun]

Fair enough, never had any ToS experiences (neither their forums or game) as it is blocked on my school computer. I had wanted to try it, though.

[TheGildedSun]

Sigh. This is a relaxing game?

If you're not actively acting to gamesolve then you're going to appear suspicious to people. If you give off this vibe that "I'll just leave it to the other players" then it makes you appear like you aren't all in for town victory.

A mafia game won't be "relaxing," in fact that kind of goes against the general feel. Mafia games can get heated and for good reason, it's a social deduction game. Of course a player isn't required to constantly be in the heat but it is important to contribute, especially if you actually are town aligned, and the way you have no interest kind of sets me off in a weird way. But not in a way that makes me feel that you are no doubt scum, at least not yet, because I feel as though that would be too obvious. No, I am just a bit confused on why this is the case.

[TheGildedSun]

this is way different from her last game

like i get she may have read more games and the wiki etc.

but something seems off

Honestly I don't blame you even if this is about myself. I'm not quite sure where this sudden confidence of mine sprang from. Everything just kind of clicked, at least in terms of staying confident behind a vote or accusation. In the beginning (last game) I was dumbfounded on how people were able to draw reads from posts based entirely on town but now it seems plausible. I feel like even though I'm not playing aggressive, I'm trying to ask more questions than to accuse because I feel as though that's not fair (I didn't like it when it was done to me, I appreciated when I was given a chance to explain myself) I do feel like I'm trying to be too on top of things and it looks like I'm trying to take control so I can certainly see where you are coming from.

[TheGildedSun]

this is way different from her last game

like i get she may have read more games and the wiki etc.

but something seems off

Honestly I don't blame you even if this is about myself. I'm not quite sure where this sudden confidence of mine sprang from. Everything just kind of clicked, at least in terms of staying confident behind a vote or accusation. In the beginning (last game) I was dumbfounded on how people were able to draw reads from posts based entirely on town but now it seems plausible. I feel like even though I'm not playing aggressive, I'm trying to ask more questions than to accuse because I feel as though that's not fair (I didn't like it when it was done to me, I appreciated when I was given a chance to explain myself) I do feel like I'm trying to be too on top of things and it looks like I'm trying to take control so I can certainly see where you are coming from.

ok then.

have you learned anything from this game so far?

Well this game is really only just beginning and we haven't had any real wagons yet (well, kind of a jump on Map Wolf and now Blatant) but nothing too major. So far I feel like looking into a players prior experience is vital to reading their tone in posts, as what happened to I in the beginning of last game. I'm kind of seeing myself in some of the other players here and trying to put myself into their shoes. I also understand that that can be dangerous too because automatically ruling out someone as mafia just because they are a newer player isn't always a good way to go. We have to consider all possibilities, misdirection is something crucial to scum so we have to work hard to not be fooled.

[TheGildedSun]

ok.

do you scumread or townread anyone based on said wagons?

So far no. I agree with you in terms of GBJ not being scum (reasons stated previously) and same with Blatant. I feel that Blatant has a higher likelyhood of being scum though between the two.

We haven't heard much of anything from Titus as they are V/LA, nor have GuiltyLion or Map Wolf spoken recently. In fact I'd like to hear something from the two of them. There was that big jump on Map Wolf but it seemed a little too quickly agreed upon for my tastes, especially with both Blatant and Guilty jumping on the wagon which I don't fully know how I feel about them yet, I do believe Blatant is most likely town (but can't say for sure yet, too early) and Guilty hasn't spoken enough for me to have drawn any inferences.

gtj being defensive, it was kind of odd how they admitted they were acting slightly off in the beginning but then also clarifying they weren't new to the idea of D1 votes, which makes me think they are town. I feel like mafia would of went along with not having been familiar with the votes, claiming that's where the panic originated from.

[TheGildedSun]

Clarification: I read only the scumread part of your vote, Faust, so "so far no" is applying to your question if I had any scumreads yet, not if I have townreads, which I do and did mention.

[TheGildedSun]

I'm going to be gone for two or three hours (possibly more, depends if my computer is dead. I'll probably only be two hours at the most.) as I am going out to eat, so if anyone needs to ask me something feel free to ask whenever, I will read anything I missed and reply once I get back.

[TheGildedSun]

Ah, good day everyone! I'm sorry for completely disappearing last night. I was going to come back, and I did, I read all the previous posts, but to me there wasn't enough for me to reply to so I went to sleep instead.

I will park my vote here: VOTE: Rise
Then switch to Titus once he gets from V/LA

I haven't heard much talk on Rise. What's your opinion on them, and what led you to park your vote on them?

[TheGildedSun]

I think they are a new player who is warming up to forum mafia and is doing very well in terms of doing research (MafiaScum Wiki) on terms and tactics. I like that.

couldn't newbie scum want to read about terms and tactics as well? Why is that indicative of town alignment?

This wasn't the reason I declared that I believed them to be town. I stated that I thought them to be town because of their general newer demeanor and sheeping, not out of trying to hide but more so being unsure. I only said this second bit because they are clearly making efforts to get a better grasp of everything that is going on.

Although since then my opinion has changed slightly. I don't know how I feel about GBJ anymore, I'll look into them again as a followup in a bit.

[TheGildedSun]

On the topic of Map Wolf, I do agree with what Guilty is saying about the way they are playing, but I don't want to be easily convinced. Guilty is clearly a very experienced player and I would like to read into things myself before easily following someone else's conclusion with none of my own input.

Map Wolf- as your first reads list was the bare bones of a reads list, and nearly everyone was declared neutral, what are your feelings now? A lot more information is present now than at the time of that post. Could you post another reads list of sorts, or at least opinions on some of the players, so we can see your current stance and beliefs?

[TheGildedSun]

Also, Map Wolf: Do you like where your vote (on Gjt) is at the moment? If so, why?

[TheGildedSun]

To be honest, I still don't like GBJ pushing Blatant. It feels a bit fake or convenient. Still, if Blatant is town, then their behavior is really not useful at all. I will VOTE: Blatant Scum as I don't like their posts myself tbh:

65 is a pretty stupid post. Their entire posting history consists of short comments with little substance.

To be clear, what I don't like is GBJ seemingly pushing him quite hard.

This has already been spoken about. As I, and Guilty Lion have said, it seems too obvious. Why in the world would mafia attempt to stand out? Unless they're trolling. If they're trolling, then maybe looking into a policy vote. I'm pretty sure a slot can't just refuse to contribute to the game, regardless of alignment.

Is it just me or does Map Wolf's sudden vote on Blatant seem a little contrived? He provides no backing other than things that have been mentioned over and over and I feel like it's in an attempt to move the heat off of him back onto Blatant.

[TheGildedSun]

My apologies. I didn't realize this had started.

Hey Titus, welcome back!

After you reassess, could you provide some insight or reads on some of the players, it would be interesting to hear from you so we could get an understanding of your slot.


Gjt- like to hear from you again too.

[TheGildedSun]

Blatant's mindless following on lynching me concerns me. He talks about Rise, but nothing about me. Then votes me.

Faust, what makes you believe it's me? I'm a bit questioning of you at this point. I like your attempts to gamesolve, but there is something wrong. I think I'm going to re-read last game to find the difference.
I am simply attempting to gamesolve.

One thing that I believe might set one off about me is my neutrality but this is just my playstyle, I don't like focusing on lynching one player.

[TheGildedSun]

Would elaborate more but I'm feeling pretty crappy today.

[TheGildedSun]

Sun, you are a lynchable person who I don't townread.
That's why the vote.

I thought you were "against" reading and wanted to leave that to other players?

[TheGildedSun]

I'm still at a loss on why I'm a sudden suspect of interest. GL, you said just that my post on Map Wolf but then not voting him was suspicious, before placing your vote on me. How so? I never spoke of intent to vote. I was merely pointing something out. Do you have any other reasons for voting me?

And by gamesolve, I mean that my way of playing, especially in this game, has been asking many questions to understand where everyone is coming from. This is visible earlier in the game while I was more active. (pages 4-6)

[TheGildedSun]

I would really like to examine Faustiv. There hasn't been much talk on their potential alignment and I'd like to see more talk to see their reaction to a little pressure. I still would like to compare their current play to the previous.

[TheGildedSun]

That's just how I play. I am a new player who irl has a general fear of being wrong so I play very neutral, get other players to talk and let the more experienced do the reading.

Here's your question asking..?

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[TheGildedSun]

Scum reads seem all over the place Joy's of D1

Who are everyones top 3 Town reads? Let's try a different approach

Darn is that tough.

1. GBJ
2. you (gjt)

Don't really have a 3rd atm.

[TheGildedSun]

top 3 trs

1: gjt
2:

map wolf

3: tgs

Kind of interested about what made map wolf go from one of your scum reads earlier, become null and now your second strongest town read? What about their recent posts changed your mind?

[TheGildedSun]

Actually I've seen instances where townies have soft claimed

[TheGildedSun]

TGS, are you agreeing with Titus here?

Not particularly. They're getting a little timid in their words, but in a scum way, not in town-not-wanting-to-be-lynched way. Titus is clearly an experienced player, when an experienced townie is getting wrongfully read as scum they commonly act confident and don't bend under pressure, as they know they're not lying. They're more likely to get frustrated if anything. I'll gather some direct evidence on this in a bit, I just have a lot of tests and schoolwork due before Thanksgiving break that I need to catch up on.

What I was saying was that they said a townie would never soft-claim, my post was clarifying that it can and does happen based on my experience.