Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

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hi everyone

lemme catchup today

is there a TL;DR for now?

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It's early D1, i highly doubt anything is unsalvageable

i'm now like 7 pages in

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I'm actually just gonna step back and let the other people chime in with their thoughts before this becomes a 10 page pool of fluff and people don't bother reading half of it.

this is a very townie post for a bunch of reasons

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WHERE DID MY CATCHUP POST GO

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ok so short recap on Menal/Datisi v Wimpy

Might be an unpopular opinion, but Menal is acting in really bad faith with his push on Wimpy. Both Datisi and Menal are employing a really suffocating push on Wimpsy based on a P2! read.

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Spoiler:

If I get back to this thread later and wimpy is at less than L-1 I’m gonna be very disappointed in all of you

So, like I said

Gonna be disappointed in town if you’re not at L-1 by the time I get back to thread later

This isn’t me efforting a game lol this game just happens to be super easy

Notice how hard wimpy is trying to change the narrative around his datisi vote

okay back into the pissing match we go i guess *unzips pants*

I am done responding to menalque, and probably you for a while. You both want to nitpick every little thing and while i can't talk about it, I am definitely annoyed at this site right now cause people want to nitpick instead of actually letting the game play out.

so you guys keep doing you. I have nothing more to say to either you about the first 6 pages. If I get lynched, I guess i will learn to somehow use logic that applies to everyone (despite actually knowing what other people consider logical and illogical) and ignore what I personally think is logical.


Good day chaps. Off to enjoy a tasty breakfast burger

This is a lot of words to say “I realise I fucked up and outed myself so now I’m gonna ignore it and hope it goes away”

I think I’m borderline willing to BoP myself on wimpy!scum

Wimpy how many games of mafia have you played?

Imagine playing over 200 games and playing like this

I can only pray that it’s 200 games on ToS

All of this is terrible as a scumread.

'How many games have you played'? 'Oh how that many imagine still playing like this then'

this is a fucking bullypush you are doing, and I will not have it. So wimpy called something Datisi did scummy, and now you are pusyhing wimpy because he doesn't think Datisi is scum?

How is that acting in good faith on your behalf, menal?

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Wimpy is gonna flip town here in like 99% of the cases, and I think it's not below Menal and Datisi to know this. At least one of these 2 is making this shit up, or at least I hope they are.

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Alimdia has a towny mindset and is the first to join the townbloc.

Posts like 97, 104, 119 (defusing the situation) are very good takes.

I enjoy the 616 obv callout of scum!Dat and scum!Menal powerwolfing the crap out of this early game, but that's a highly unlikely scenario. Knowing both of these players, I think they would take it a lot slower. That doesn't take away I think Menal could be scum here (just not together with Dat), for pushing something in REALLLY terrible faith

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alimdia, this town will need you to come together. Don't let a bad start discourage you from working to solve this.

You are not alone.

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im still on like page 3 can we like stop spamposting for a second lol

no

we're beating 1942 here boys

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Maybe y'all should stick to salads

VOTE: Datisi

It was a serious vote

“Guys. It was a page 2 vote. There’s not enough evidence to suggest anyone was actually scum.”

So which time were you telling the truth?

Both.

Have you played mafia before?

Because voting somebody seriously for something I think is scummy

doesn’t mean I legit think he’s scum. I never declared I thought he is definitely scum.

Based on what has transpired though, you look more like scum than he does. I still find him scummy also. Imagine that. I can find people scummy and still don’t know if they are scum.

Clearly I must be scum. How can town think somebody is scummy but not think they are actually scum...

And cause with you I actually think it needs to be said. that last line was sarcasm.

Basically, “I didn’t think

he was scum”. “I never declared I thought

he is definitely scum is just pedantry.

Why do u think datisi is scum?

I’ve explained my thoughts. Why are you asking a redundant question?

My question: why do you think she’s scum? His answer: I’ve explained why [i think she’s scum].

If he wasn’t saying she was scum, why not correct me here. The implied in his answer is that he does think Datisi is scum.

Why do u think datisi is scum?

I’ve explained my thoughts. Why are you asking a redundant question?

I mean u hadn’t at the time I asked

Posts 53 and 65 explain what I was thinking so that’s not true at all.

Points back to 53 and 64 as his reasons for why he thinks datisi is scum

Interesting

Why was it serious?

Cause I dislike when people come in and reference past games and vote them for it. It violates site rules and is scummy.

I bet he doesn’t have anything close to a legit reason for voting me outside of perceived omgus that is.

Again, claimed serious vote. When asked about it later, answers in a way that implies that he believes datisi is really scum.

The more datsi posts the better I feel about my vote. It’s like he doesn’t like the attention and he doesn’t know how to handle it.

Other post for reference.

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So you’re p clearly lying

Wimpy: “so just cause I voted datisi seriously doesn’t mean I thought she was scum”

Mena, much earlier: “so why is your vote serious?”

Wimpy: “*makes post 53*”

Mena, later on: “so why is datisi scum?”

Wimpy: “I ALREADY SAID JEEZ”

Mena: “where?”

Wimpy: “POST 53 JEEZ”

Mena: “so your vote on datisi was serious and made for reasons of you believing she was scum which is now a position that you’re claiming you never held?”

Wimpy: “NO UR A LIAR”

Oh. I can actually see the scumread menal has, here. Menal still being unreasonable about how he pushes it, but i see it.
Still think it's wrong.

Menal can we talk about this?

I think you forced (intentionally or not) Wimpy into a corner based off of something, but not much. And now you are tunelling a town.

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Alimdia has a towny mindset and is the first to join the townbloc.

Posts like 97, 104, 119 (defusing the situation) are very good takes.

I enjoy the 616 obv callout of scum!Dat and scum!Menal powerwolfing the crap out of this early game, but that's a highly unlikely scenario. Knowing both of these players, I think they would take it a lot slower. That doesn't take away I think Menal could be scum here (just not together with Dat), for pushing something in REALLLY terrible faith

Wow, we have completely opposite reads there

also how is 616 calling our Dats/Mena powerwolfing? It's asking Wimpy a question? (correct me if I'm wrong here btw)

The powerwolfing is related to your entire tag-team approach push, not that post in particular. Can you see what I mean?

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@Menal, in particular I'd like to know why you are resorting to these low-level tactics for getting your scumread across, instead of focusing on the core of it?

I think ur much better then this, so that's why I'm having trouble accepting your push being honest.

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Like if you’re town and this is messing with your anxiety then I’m sorry but you’re the one who signed up for a mafia game knowing what that entails

i mean, it just keeps coming. How is this you pushing in good faith, my man?

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I’m barely even efforting this game

I think you are *ïntentionally* trying to create a bad gamestate

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However, Menal/Datisi are not a team because they get busted the second their push flips town.

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If you think this is over the top you have no idea

I haven’t even posted from my laptop yet

WE'RE DOUBLING 1942 BOYS STRAP IN

What is AvP
what is CivMaf

this could very well be town!Datisi to the core

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SL of alimdia:
97 is a bad take I'm sorry Icon but you should know this lul
119 is completely NAI imo

586 policy vote on emps for spammy catchup and careless voting
610:

Asked for unvote because the other 2 votes were RVS and its way past that now, plus I'd rather have them unvote for proper analysis later on when needed.

Asking for unvotes of the RVS vote for (I'm assuming) later proper VCA, but is keeping the vote on emps due to... policy?

Which makes me think the whole "unvote your RVS we're past that" was made as busywork

discuss

it's not a bad take. it's just not.
Trying to + the gamestate is not NAI, it's +town. Scum benefit from a bad gamestate. Town doesn't.

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this could very well be town!Datisi to the core

I mean I think I'm so out of my scum range by now it's pathetic

but what can you do

i'm fairly sure you see what I am talking about wrt Menal

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616 was alimdia thinking about a scumteam of Datisi+Menal, which would be a powerwolf team as per game right now. I don't think you are however.

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Wimpy's reasons of voting me:
1) thought I was violating site rules
2) disliked that i referenced a past game
3) thought referencing a past game is scummy

Literally 66.67% of your reasons to vote me were

Policy

Pedit: i still don't see a single place where he lied
But as said i will go over it again once I get some sleep

For now I'm tackling the simpler stuff

I've seen a whole lot worse reasons for an early vote then this. I don't know why Wimpy is scum because of this?

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i mean it's a plus if you see it as "not adding oil to the fire" but like it's a v weak plus

scum literally wouldn't bother to post it like that

it would be scary if our reads matched

your take on my menal read?

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I literally think Town!Wimpy has been forced into a corner by Menal, who used a semi-good early case but then just dicked Wimpy into this.

You can just reread Menal and see for yourself just how much of a [REDACTED BY ICONEUM] he's been and how he handled his scumread.

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but I think there was a post where he was saying it wasn't just policy or something?

i've read it, and I think there was enough reason for a push on Wimpy to begin with. That's not what i'm fighting. It's how Menal went about it being a complete [REDACTED BY ICONEUM].

Want me to put everytying into a spoiler so you can see?

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I agree with Alim here. Menal intenionally created this bad gamestate

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297

Menal has officially lost ALL of the credit he had with me. How the fuck is this guy town? And if Menal his town he should feel pretty fucking bad about himself wtf is this even

has the mod stepped in yet?

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If I get back to this thread later and wimpy is at less than L-1 I’m gonna be very disappointed in all of you

So, like I said

Gonna be disappointed in town if you’re not at L-1 by the time I get back to thread later

Like I’m sorry you rolled scum fam *shrug*

Notice how hard wimpy is trying to change the narrative around his datisi vote

I think I’m borderline willing to BoP myself on wimpy!scum

Wimpy how many games of mafia have you played?

Imagine playing over 200 games and playing like this

I can only pray that it’s 200 games on ToS

Like if you’re town and this is messing with your anxiety then I’m sorry but you’re the one who signed up for a mafia game knowing what that entails

I’m barely even efforting this game

If you think this is over the top you have no idea

I haven’t even posted from my laptop yet

Inb4 wimpy is cyrus

That would explain a lot honestly

I can actually feel my brain cells dying every time I read a wimpy post

And the best bit of you literally brought all this on yourself by your own inability to just shut the fuck up

Jesus I’m astonished you’re able to actually read given the level of brainpower you’ve displayed this far

YOU HAVEN’T PROVED JACKSHIT

YOU HAVEN’T DONE JACKSHIT

WE’RE LYNCHING YOU

CRY MORE

SHIT THE FUCK UP SCUM

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read those posts

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has the mod stepped in yet?

yes, didn't you read

not fully yet

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my catchup posts should be able to tell you exactly where i'm at

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VOTE: Menalque

If menalq wasn't obv scum this game, this would be a policy vote

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Menal has literally dicked wimpy out of the game. I'm not letting this pass.

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what's up with the emp wagon?

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i've been focused on menal during my catchup, didn't really see much emps in there apart from being very dodgy

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Also you're doing the same thing emp is doing lmao

what would that be?

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you think that's scummy?

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you're

clogging

the

thread

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Datisi, did you see that Menal started scumreading Wimpy *before* Wimpy did something scummy?

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Or like that was the scummiest entrance

Trying a lil bit too hard for nonchalance

VOTE: wimpy

Or like that was the scummiest entrance

It wasn’t scummy at all actually but I can see if you’re of the old school mentality that people have to rvs how it would be off putting.

disregard plz

i've iso'd them in pair now, i can see why Menal was pushing there. I don't understand why Menalque lets a scumread based on entrance being too casual escalate like this.

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The real question is, is it a town or a scum tunnel

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Also
Heaven and Hell help us all
I'm actually Townreading Icon

oh god it's happening!

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oof good pagetop

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can we lynch menalque now?

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no

we will by the end of this day

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you townreading menalque, datisi?

why?

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Might have to revisit him in the later days but meh

why not wanna sort him rn?

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you are townreading based on TONE?

B please

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okay if ur playing that card, then i am playing the same one on alim

town, we are not lynching there today

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emps where u at bro

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oh god the misreps

also @Luca what do you make of this game rn?

pedit: THANK YOU EMPS

Still getting my head around it a bit.

Wimpy has definitely been the scummiest player so far. I don’t necessarily agree with all the reasoning against him, but there is something about the way he’s defending himself that doesn’t sit right with me. I’ll try and put my finger on it tomorrow.

That said, I can relate to his situation of joining MS after having played a load of games on another site. I remember getting wound up similarly during my first game on here as things are done very differently.

So Luca, you are saying the reasoning against Wimpy is off, but don't like how he's defending himself against something that's OFF to you? What kind of conclusion is that?

Do you think it's scum or town to get wound up like that?

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I find it interesting how Wimpy is spending a lot of time talking about how Menalque lied but seems reluctant to go into details about what the lie actually was. If you're genuinely trying to convince people of your case, then you ought to be doing more of the latter and less of the former. It feels like you're just creating noise for the sake of it.

Hmm interesting. If this is true that's a point against Wimpy.

Ok, I don't really agree with the argument of either side here - they are both a little on the pedantic side, but what I think is more important it the result of these arguments.

Menalque has been relentlessly pushing his scumread in a way which he might not have had the cause to do so early on as scum, and has done so in a way which reads as genuinely frustrated and believing in his read.

Wimpy on the other hand reads like caught scum who are desperately trying to wriggle free, and then get so far entrenched that they feel they have to commit to their counter-vote. I don't believe Wimpy's confidence in his scumread/s as much as I believe Menalque's.

Luca can be town actually. This also answers my question. I can agree that scum probably don't try to get this much exposure as Menalque has been doing.

Huh.

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not scumreading adluskkel at this point

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over 200

Where?

does it really matter?

Yes, it does matter. I would appreciate if you could answer this question. At the very least, it would be nice to know the nature of the 200+ games that you’ve played. For instance, there’s a major difference between playing 200+ games on a real-time site like epicmafia vs playing forum games like here.

Hot take: Menal is tunneling on town.

Wicked, why are you focusing on past experience? Of all the things you could be doing to sort, why focus on this specifically and only this?
This could be scum coasting on a TvT massacre.

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oh sure you guys spit out 30 pages when i'm VLA but when i'm here you don't show up

classic

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767 answer or smt idunno

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trying to sort this game

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ok

readlist?

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let's get this game back on track and do someting usefull shall we?

VOTE: wicked

the Wimpy slot is being replaced, you all had your say on it. I disagree. I hope menalque can come in here and see that he might have been tunneling³. I still seriously doubt Wimpy=scum, and we can start pressuring elsewhere.

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Well, the discussion is out there to sort. For now I'm content knowing there's not 2 scum in Datisi/Menal/Wimpy and a few team exclusions on top of that. It could very well be a town trio even.

Wonder what menal thinks of that

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So you guys are on wicked because he hasn't posted much and you think he's coasting while Datisi+Mena vs Wimpy is going on?

no, because of how he reacted to the shitshow

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over 200

Where?

does it really matter?

Yes, it does matter. I would appreciate if you could answer this question. At the very least, it would be nice to know the nature of the 200+ games that you’ve played. For instance, there’s a major difference between playing 200+ games on a real-time site like epicmafia vs playing forum games like here.

of everything you *could* comment on, wicked chooses to focus on the experience of wimpy? that's not a town mindset

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However he just made 1 post and then dipped.

that… doesn't help his cause

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you should

but more importantly

are you still tunneling?

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what is your definition of tunnelling exactly?

Me or icon?

Getting locked into the belief that someone is scum and losing the ability to engage with them beyond conf!biasing everything they do/say as explainable through scum motivations

Ok so you were/are tunneling there. Can you revisit and tell me how much of a scumread you still have there?

Hey guys,

Briefly checking in here during my lunch break. Had I known that this micro game I signed up for would be the fastest moving game I’ve ever been a part of, I would and should’ve announced V/LA yesterday. I had a few hours to read through the thread but didn’t have any time to contribute anything. In general, I don’t like posting when I’m not caught up.

Ico, you vote me for ‘of all the things to comment on’ I only asked Wimpy about his experience. Just because it’s the only thing I commented on doesn’t mean it’s the only thing I wanted to comment on. It’s simply

the only thing I had time to comment on.

Wimpy’s experience was the thing I was most curious about after reading the first few pages (and I’m not the only person that was interested in his answer).

I’ll explain that more and contribute more of my thoughts/questions when i get home.

Could be a timing thing, but like I said, of

all

the things you COULD have commented on, you choose something that is probably the MOST NAI.

I think I get this confident in basically every game I play but I wouldn’t say my confidence level was ever over 65% on wimpy!scum

Which I know doesn’t look great but that’s how much he was pissing me off

Ur right it doesn't look great lol. When reading I'd say you were about 100.000.000.000 % sure you caught scum, not 65%.

Man this is so lazy. Menal lies and you can’t even bother to verify it? You instead side with him?

Please lynch me. Town has proven they don’t want to win so I’ll happily be the first casualty

woah perspective slipping

dude wat

how is that perspective slipping and not a town that thinks he's being mistreated?

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Datisi

Town Read

Icon
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Menalque
Ali
Aldu

Null

emps
Wicked/Wimpy

Scum-lean

That's kind of where I'm at right now.

Decent, but I'm not mindmelting with you like apparently Datisi is.

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@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

I'm gonna

piggyback

this question.
Wicked didn't do catchups real time and he had more content than you.

~ahem~

lol oof

town
{ico} - strong tl
{datisi, luca} - tl
{wicked, alduskel(or however you say it), mena} - null
{alimidia} - nullscum
{wimpy slot} - scumlean (might need to reconsider, ill look into it tmrw)
scum

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emps you just low-efforting due to whatever reason rn or are you scum?

i'm not letting you pocket me... again

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I don’t really like Wicked’s subtle shading of Datisi, feels like he’s nitpicking at things to create doubts over the slot while still aligning with the popular opinion.

interesting pickup

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I agree that having 20 pages of Mena/Wimpy/Datisi all arguing with each other was not pro-town at all. The three of them literally had over 90% of the posts in this thread at one point and it was all just repeating the same points over and over again. It's like Wimpy and Mena were both competing to have the last say even if that meant having the same conversation 50 times in a row. News flash: most people can read and are competent enough to form opinions on something without needing to read it over and over again.

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Datisi:

neutral, slight town lean
-She seems to be genuinely relaxed, I couldn't detect any discomfort or awkwardness. As far as her Wimpy-push goes, I agree with Ico's point that she would be setting herself up for scrutiny if she was scum pushing Wimpy-town, so the confidence expressed here, as one example, feels unlikely to come from Datisi-scum pushing a known mis-lynch. I'm inclined to think it's not bussing either.
-There are a couple small things that feel off to me like the doubt she expressed in Wimpy at some points and her lack of paranoia with Menalque. I'm having trouble explaining why these things are rubbing me the wrong way.
-This is another post that feels a little strange to me. Menalque and I literally just got out of a scum game where our third partner used to say stuff like this.

Datisi, what makes your play here so out of your scum range?

Wimpy:

neutral
-It's pretty obvious he didn't have 200+ games on Mafiascum. There are very few people that have that much experience and his play didn't indicate that either. It felt like he probably played a large portion of those games on some sort of real-time site, especially given this response. I wanted to get a sense of how many of his games were actual slow-paced forum games like this one because that's actually relevant experience in my eyes. If he had 30+ mafiascum games under his belt then that would make me feel much worse about his play here than if he had like 2 games under his belt and wasn't used to the site meta.
-I don't believe that over-defensiveness is a scum tell, but it does feel like Wimpy was more concerned with arguing with Mena/Datisi than actually sorting them.
-On the other hand, some of his defeatist/1v1 posts feel kinda townish to me: see 358 and 640. I also kinda believe him when he says he doesn't care how people read him.

Menalque:

neutral, slight scum lean
-I don't like his overly-confident push on Wimpy.
-I don't like what he's done to the game-state (helping spam the thread, f-bombing the guy that he's confidently scum-reading who has now replaced out)
-I don't like his warning to me here. Not only does it feel like a misrep waiting to happen but I'm still not sure why he makes that post as town.
-Regardless of his alignment, I think he crossed the line in his treatment of Wimpy. It kinda sucks that Wimpy replaced out and is leaving the site. Regardless of how irritable he may have been to certain people, he shouldn't have been treated that way and this feels like the wrong outcome.

Menalque, I know that you strongly prefer town. Why did you want to coast this game?


UNVOTE: VOTE: Menalque

Wicked chooses to list 3 players, and comes to 3 neutral conclusions despite putting out an extensive read on all 3, leaving whichever way to lean on any of them as the game goes.

But what really sticks out here is that he ends up with 3 neutral reads, and makes no attempt at all to sort them.

Furthermore, it's strange to come to a neutral-(slight) scumlean on both Wimpy AND Menal. If those 2 are scum, Wimpy never replaces out. Ever.

And knowing this, Town!wicked could easily pick up on this and say 'both slight scumlean, but not together'. Fails to do so.

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If menal and Wimpy are both scum, that means that Menal literally bully bussed his TEAMMATE out of the game. And if it was a show, Wimpy doesn't replace out because they've talked about it being theater in their PT.

My regards for Menal have dropped considerably, but not THAT much

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ah but wait

didn't someone say scum do not have daytalk?

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I was gonna say if they were scum buddies he could have just said in the scum pt

But I just realised there is no scum daytalk in this game.

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This game does not enable Mafia factional daytalk by default

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Hmm. Yeah well my point stands. If you guys follow me in my thoughts that Menal doesn't do this to his TEAMMATE, then they CANNOT be scum together.

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The reason I'm asking is because you've literally seen SvS bussing that ended up with the bullied scum replacing out

what

evidence?

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So idk why you're crossing it off

So let's assume scum have no PT

That means you wanna keep the option of SvS on the table

I dare say that goes against the rules 'Play to Win'

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more on the basis on "Menalque doesn't bully bus his teammater out of the game" rather than "Scum doesn't bully bus his teammater out of the game".

i'll concede to this

Menal doesn't bully his teammate out of the game

If this turns out false, I'll be at a loss for words seriously.

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Now that I've slept over it, I don't think Menal plays like this as scum. Scum are much more aware of things, and after quickly rereading Menal ISO again he literally reads like a bull that saw a red scum. He went too far and did some bad and nasty things, but I can relate a little.

Gonna keep my opinion at TvTvT

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Ali started out siding with Wimpy over Menalque and seemingly scumreading Menalque early on, but seemed to drop this without explanation. Can you explain your read progression there, Ali?

Wimpy - this is very close to null tbh cos he focused on tunneling on Mena, and a lesser extent Datisi, and seemed like he wasn't even trying after a certain point.

I don't get why you currently have Wimpy as null alongside this reasoning. Are these things not AI to you at all?

i'm really liking Luca's thoughts this game

if

wimpy is scum this could be the partner defending

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hi aldus nice to meet you

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i have a townread in Luca

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are you guys serious about scum!Luca?

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I also dislike how Luca dodged alimdia's accusations in 887.

Amen brother

i'm with Datisi on this one. How are you supporting a push on Luca when you put it in your town(ish) pile very recently?

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actually, you put luca over null while still shading/fencing there

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ugh wasted pagetop :s

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that's like an entire *minute* too slow

ur losing your touch Dats

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aaaanywho, i still wanna lynch wicked at this point

who's against this anyway?

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I'm unsure. Yeah Luca pushed both Wimpy and now Wicked, but so has Menal and Datisi for example?
The only thing I take away from that is that Luca hasn't really been sorting outside of that. But is that scumplay? Don't think so.

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something tells me we'll just end up lynching Wimpy slot today anyway

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I would still like icon to explain his exact progression on me though

Like what point did you flip to the TR and what exactly prompted that as you were catching up?

you keep insisting i explain this but I thought it was pretty obvious from my ISO?

Read 695 (where I can see your scumcase), 746, 747, 765780

If you have any questions after reading those, shoot.

Especially given the lack of daytalk which I keep forgetting is a thing

ehhh you keep laying it on real thick

No-daytalk violates Popses for the Ethical Treatment of Scumz (PETS).
If I'd known this was no daytalk I don't think I'd have risked replacing in. If I rolled scum I would stick it out. Would just be so sad.

ehhhh there's a chance scum have daytalk tho?

@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

I'm gonna

piggyback

this question.
Wicked didn't do catchups real time and he had more content than you.

~ahem~

lol oof

town
{ico} - strong tl
{datisi, luca} - tl
{wicked, alduskel(or however you say it), mena} - null
{alimidia} - nullscum
{wimpy slot} - scumlean (might need to reconsider, ill look into it tmrw)
scum

yay fuck me like 10 pages to catch up on

but first time for reasonings

ico - i think his posts abt the whole mena datisi vs wimpy situation were towny
datisi - talked to me before about basically having a stroke in the scum pt every other post, and theres no daytalk but she seems relaxed/natural
luca - kind of gut tbh but i also like his reasonings
wicked - not much to go off of. i really dont see why people have been scumreading this tbh
aludskel or whatever - not much to go off of either
mena - i really just keep going back and forth on him tbh im really not sure
alimidia - tone feels a off and voting me for posting a ton and doing real time catchups is ???
wimpy - tone is off and he felt overly defensive, and kept emphasizing that hes done nothing scummy at all

pedit : oh hello there

i still have 10 pages to catch up on so ill let you know once im done

emps my man

i like your tonal datisi read, but would it change if there would be scum daychatter?

weak luca read

your wicked read is low effort? have you actually read the game? I brought up a few critical points on wicked that i'm about to respond to in my next post. Are you scum with Wicked here?

alud has posted enough to have an opinion on...

Ali... Hmm. That seems like an OMGUS read to me, and feels like how town!emps would read it.

Wimpy read is meh as well :s Everyone would be overly defensive with the crap Menal pulled there.

Which brings me to your menal read that you are hedging. How can you not have an opinion on him? Like it or hate it, his ISO is FILLED with AI stuff.


This is probably town!Emps that is just not into this game. His reads are very feely right now, especially wrt Ali. He isn't pushing a scum!agenda and reminds me of myself when I'm town just stuck in a game.

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Shortened version:

...

Datisi:

neutral, slight town lean
...
Datisi, what makes your play here so out of your scum range?
...

Wimpy:

neutral
...

Menalque:

neutral, slight scum lean
...
Menalque, I know that you strongly prefer town. Why did you want to coast this game?


UNVOTE: VOTE: Menalque

Wicked chooses to list 3 players, and comes to 3 neutral conclusions despite putting out an extensive read on all 3, leaving whichever way to lean on any of them as the game goes.

I believe popsofctown made this same point against me. See my response to her later.

But what really sticks out here is that he ends up with 3 neutral reads, and makes no attempt at all to sort them.

This is absolutely not true. I've asked Datisi/Mena both questions and voted for Mena. How am I not sorting them?

Furthermore, it's strange to come to a neutral-(slight) scumlean on both Wimpy AND Menal. If those 2 are scum, Wimpy never replaces out. Ever.

And knowing this, Town!wicked could easily pick up on this and say 'both slight scumlean, but not together'. Fails to do so.

This is a pretty blatant misrep. Where did I say that Wimpy was a slight scum lean?

Ok let's try here.

1) Pops made the same comment I did earlier, yes. You never responded to pops, so your answer is invalid.
2) I'm literally going through your ISO looking for those 'questions' you asked to Dat/Mena. You only asked Mena if he's ever been so confident in his read. That's it. Not a single question to Datisi.
So yeah, it IS absolutely true.
3) It's not a misrep. I say you have both of Wimpy/Menal in neutral to slight scumlean territory. Which is exactly true according to your own readlist.

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@Alim

: If emps doesn't offer up something good soon then I might be willing to switch over.

We could vote him up to pressure into posting, but I don't think Emps is a good lynch today.

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DRAGON I MISS YOU

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u drunk rn?

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ooooh drunk!posting pops and wine i love that combo

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@Alim

: If emps doesn't offer up something good soon then I might be willing to switch over.

We could vote him up to pressure into posting, but I don't think Emps is a good lynch today.

Um pressure doesnt work if you say its for pressuring and not gonna lynch them

let me rephrase that

i have no intention in lynching emps today, wicked goes first

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Um bro I think they went on Aldu now

so?

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like, unless anyone can explain why wicked isn't scum based on everything i've been casing, we should 100% lynch there today

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iconeum can you help me sort jester

he said the things i wanted to hear
but did he know what were the things I wanted to hear??

who be jester? wicked?

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I kinda like Aldu btw, he's the only one that kinda understood my read list format while everyone was just harping on about above and below the null line.

i kinda ignored datisi's rambling about that

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Spoiler:

ico - i think his posts abt the whole mena datisi vs wimpy situation were towny
datisi - talked to me before about basically having a stroke in the scum pt every other post, and theres no daytalk but she seems relaxed/natural
luca - kind of gut tbh but i also like his reasonings
wicked - not much to go off of. i really dont see why people have been scumreading this tbh
aludskel or whatever - not much to go off of either
mena - i really just keep going back and forth on him tbh im really not sure
alimidia - tone feels a off and voting me for posting a ton and doing real time catchups is ???
wimpy - tone is off and he felt overly defensive, and kept emphasizing that hes done nothing scummy at all

pedit : oh hello there

i still have 10 pages to catch up on so ill let you know once im done

Is anyone seeing his reasonings?
Summary:
STRONG TR because: his post are towny
TR because: seems relaxed
gut- like his reasonings (doesnt specify)
scum leaning: tone is off
tone is off , emphasising that hes done nothing scummy


Also I didnt vote you because you doin real time catchups. I voted you because that created lots of fluff and useless shit and contributed to the first 20 pages fluffshow, told you to stop and you kept going.
Fuck changing wagon to emps again VOTE: emps

FYI Icon

I saw that. I disagree with the conclusion of it. Fluff =/= scum, and emps is a fluff poster to heart. It's actually town indicative of him to spew like that. The only downside is that he is very much capable as town to spew content as well and that's been lacking. I went into why I still townread him specifically in my response to him.

I think a big part of your vote on him is because you dislike his playstyle.

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i've read everything but i can't even remember why aldu is being scumread? lemme reread

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did you know humans actually identify words by reading the first and last letter and estimating the number of letters and then only examine the exact sequence of letters if the sentence in context doesn't make sense with that chosen inrepretation i read that in an article

in this case j isn't at the front but his whole name is concatenated so i think it counts?

let us rename wicked to wickedjester, because missed opportunity

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iconeum can you help me sort jester

yes

unnatural conclusions

forced readlist

scum

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@Alim:

If you are Town then remember that it's easier for scum to read you correctly than it is for Town to do so.

I don't think Aldu's level of confidence that you are Town was justified at the time he made his read.

He's hedging by scumreading the popular wagons while scumreading me for holding the same opinion.

He suspects me but is waiting for someone else (Alim, for example) to make the push before committing himself, while keeping himself open to hop on the 'easier' wagons at any time.

He's inventing reasons to Town-lean emps, by first townreading him for

not pushing Wimpy

, and then when pointed out that emps did in fact push Wimpy a lot, he changed it to townreading emps for

pushing Wimpy while feeling comfortable in the spotlight

. That is invented and not a natural progression of thought.

More votes on this wagon, please.

oh shit

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Hm. I was kinda hoping emps would rush in here and push Wicked.

Um why?

Because they he would be the 8th slot in this game to vote Wicked/give intent on voting him/express a SR there. Which, after I'd check that nobody's post looked like a conveniently times bus that they didn't think would take off, would very well mean town!Wicked.

And I think emps/Wicked is still not ruled out

Can someone (prob Icon) give his opinion on the reasons for the readslist

Also I'm kinda liking Wicked's posts? Like
I think i disagree with half or more of his takes
But idk I remember thinking that some of them were good yesterday I'll revisit when I'm less dead[/quote]

what exactly do you want me to do with this?

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what's aldu at right now?

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i'm on page 41 and the thread keeps growing

i'm getting coffee

need more to keep up with this

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PT HELL YEH

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I really wish he didnt tell me he rolled scum a lot because like i want to gmabler's fallacy but then i want to no gambler's fallacy is bad bu then that overcompensates gambler's fallacy UGH

i was scum last game so i have to be town here

trust me

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do i want to be madder at wicked for "i don't have any reads"

it's not just the hedging of reads

it's the lack of interest in acquiring those reads or sorting in general

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Iconeum ar eyou caught up on the thread
pedit: you were town last game i played with you so you have to be scum here actually, games i wasn't in don't matter

i'm all caught up

also you were in AvP yes?

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Iconeum ar eyou caught up on the thread
pedit: you were town last game i played with you so you have to be scum here actually, games i wasn't in don't matter

i'm all caught up

also you were in AvP yes?

yeah we were in there together so that counts as last game

i was scum there tho :p

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Datisi is wicked or Alduskkel the lynch that seems to easy to you?

i wanna say that i don't think wicked has been an easy lynch so far

solid case, bad response and I still don't got a wagon there

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was willing or actually did is not the same tho?

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i'd lynch in wicked/aldu rn

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aldu would be a sheep vote from me, i like Luca's case there

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VOTE: Aldu

L-1

let's hear a claim Aldu

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VOTE: Aldu

L-1

let's hear a claim Aldu

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I'm not willing to claim yet. What made you decide to vote me? In 1244/1245 it sounds like you weren't yet planning on voting me, then suddenly you did.

I believe Luca has a good case on you. Despite what Datisi is saying, I'm not able to get enough pressure on my main scumread. Didn't even get to L-1. This day is already 50+ pages and a lot has happened. Yeah I'm fine pushing the main wagon for a claim.

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@menalque

can you please start talking about ANYONE other then Datisi?

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also you know what

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i think aldu should start claiming

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probably best if he did that on a fresh page tho

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anyone wanna work here?

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Menalque this game:
> "dats town"
> "

intent

"

you forgot something

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how about we talk about how the case on me sux

it doesn't

claim

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okay

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what would me claiming even accomplish

[Iconeum]

How about:

-Game progression
-Avoiding a mislynch
-Setup building
-Avoiding fake claims
-Pressuring scum into mistakes

for starters?

[Iconeum]

I mean, take your pick.

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ico

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How would it avoid fake claims or pressure scum into mistakes? Also Day 1 is pretty early for setup building.

not necesarilly right now

but during the course of the game

Like literally, if ur scum, why would we give you room to do anything?
If ur town, we are giving you the chance to claim and avoid being mislynched.

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If ur scum and you claim anything other then VT, counterclaims are a thing.

Yeah, it's how this game works…

but 'Nah' is ok too bruh

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I don't actually feel that pressured tho

actual footage of aldus

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I don't actually feel that pressured tho

you realize it's anti-town to stall a claim, right?

especially if ur town?

feeling pretty good about a hammer now tho

[Iconeum]

intent -30 mins

provide other reads plz

your iso is terrible beyond belief, and after the shitstorm all you did was literally suck up to datisi

[Iconeum]

intent -30 mins

decisions decisions

to end the day and avoid having to post reads and hope everyone forgets come D2

or

play the game and work with us before you hammer going gently into D2

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so you just wanna play chicken instead of helping everyone move the game forward?

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Live footage of Micro 900

who is who in that gif?

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I don't get the point of threatening to hammer someone who clearly doesn't believe you will carry out the threat. And why don't you at least interact with Ico, Menalque?

while i don't appreciate you holding this game hostage, i do enjoy this anticipation

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menalque can you confirm receipt of my messages?

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why is luca scum? for pushing you?

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I think aldu is town

scumteam confirmed

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there's no way aldus stays this calm under intent without knowing it's fake intent

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or, like, doesn't claim

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Also I already said how I knew Menalque wasn't going to hammer me.

it's because you were talking about this whole theatric in scum pt is my guess

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VOTE: iconeum

come at me bro

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Don’t really believe icon’s reaction to my intents if he was genuinely SRing aldu

i was pretty confident you weren't gonna go thru with hammer

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This game does not enable Mafia factional daytalk by default.

Menalque you're gonna have to explain Ico-scum to me. Like his behavior the last couple pages is weird but I'm not seeing it as AI?

By default.

BY DEFAULT.

Is anyone in this game capable of reading between the lines?

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Being as calm as Aldu was, stubborn about not claiming and being that sure you weren't gonna hammer comes from 1 thing only. Coordination.

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Don’t really believe icon’s reaction to my intents if he was genuinely SRing aldu

i was pretty confident you weren't gonna go thru with hammer

Why?

Because this is like the only reason why you’re town here

I want a fucking claim. Everyone's been pretty open with their reads, a lot has happened. We are about halfway through D1, I think both Aldu and Wicked are 50/50 for being lynched. We need a claim to continue this game purposefully.

Aldu stalling said claim is strictly anti-town. You faking intent is equally bad, and it looks a LOT like scumteam coordination to me in order to divert from the wagon.

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VOTE: iconeum

i'd love to see you try and sell this as my scumgame

i really would

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I mean the stunt would be funny as fuck but it wouldn't be playing to a scum wincon.

Why is it so impossible to believe that I can be confident as town?

P-edit: oh my god Menalque is a teacher

it's not even only about confidence, it's also about intent. you not claiming is anti-town

The only other scenario that is possible here is that you are town and actually scared scum!menalque with the D2 'what would happen'

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i could use some help in sorting this shit out, anyone else out there?

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get un-lost please

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My not claiming is pro-town. If I claim VT then I could get lynched anyway or scum know not to NK me. If I claim PR I have a target on my head the rest of the game.

and now town has no further information about you and we either lynch you blind or we go elsewhere while you remain unsorted

brilliant options, really

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your information is that I'm town

you can sort me as "town"

stop bullshitting please

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i'm not even joking, doing what you are doing here is just… draining my energy to play this

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'hey everyone i'm not gonna claim even after being scumread by 3/4 of the entire game because i'm town, trust me for the rest of the game plz ktxhbye'

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i don't want you fucking lynched i want you to goddamn claim so we can continue this game

it's literally how it works

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taking a break i'm heating up

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i got carried away there for a sec - sorry

this game gets to me sometimes

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Well, upon reflection, you were stalling/holding ME hostage/preventing ME from continuing...

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I don’t think it is, because while you played scum very lurkily in AvP, people talking about 1942 reminded me that you can also play as hyperposting scum

yeah i was town that game so

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despite popular opinion

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also

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Don’t really believe icon’s reaction to my intents if he was genuinely SRing aldu

that's because i was not really genuinly scumreading aldu probably

i said as much

it was a sheep vote because i liked Luca's case there

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VOTE: iconeum

i'd love to see you try and sell this as my scumgame

i really would

What makes this out of your scumrange?

i don't think i know what my scumrange is

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wickedjester is really scummy but also likable please send help

I am seeing scummy content but a towny tone...

Dang who knew this micro game would be so much effort to keep up with

Spoiler:

oh god not gifs how do you know my weakspot

I'm done responding to things tonight, I'll follow up with people tomorrow perhaps.

I haven't had enough time to push Menalque.

I

really

think people should consider voting Menalque with me today. I think I have a unique vantage point on his scum-meta right now seeing as I just watched him play for the last month with the knowledge that he was scum. His play here looks very similar.

Two quick points that I would like to make before I sleep:

1. I know that he strongly prefers town but his play here is not at all reminiscent of someone that is genuinely trying to scum-hunt or playing the alignment that they want to be playing.

• In this post from yesterday, he says that Alduskkel and I haven't done anything strongly alignment indicative yet he expresses intent to hammer both of us within the next few hours of writing this post: here and here. Town shouldn't be so easily willing to lynch their POE reads when we still have half the day left.
  
• If you will indulge my narcissism for a moment, he says at the beginning of the game that I'm one of the specific players he intended to get a read on and vote or sheep. And coming into this game, I would have expected him to want to interact with me. However, he has completely ignored me for most of the game. He has made no effort to determine my alignment or respond to my criticisms/questions to him. This feels really off to me, especially in combination with me voting for him and him being willing to hammer me so abruptly.
  
• It feels unnatural how he went from confidently scum reading Wimpy to now slowly backing off of that read now that pops has replaced in. I understand that he got angry at Wimpy and appreciate him admitting he crossed the line. But it feels like a convenient and intentional transition given that pops is either a more difficult mis-lynch or a stronger teammate for him if he's scum.

It feels like he's playing an uninvested scum game.


2. There are a number of specific posts that he's made that feel like they're intended to give the appearance of scum-hunting without actually having genuine intent. Two examples of this that immediately come to mind:

• Here he warns me that he expects more posting from me than in our previous game. It feels like him trying to give off the appearance that he's sorting me even though it would have been better for him to wait and see how active I actually turn out to be rather than instructing me preemptively like this.
  
• He repeatedly asks Ico to explain why he started townreading Mena even though Ico explained it. Ico literally responds by quoting previous posts and that's the end of the conversation. So it doesn't feel like Mena actually cared about this even though he asked multiple times. I feel like this is an attempt to earn townpoints by questioning the thing that scum-him would inherently want (people townreading him).

damn this is a good post. lemme get back to this soon

luca blight why are you voting with your scumread

Tempted to also do that actually. These last 2 days Wicked has towned it up...

@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

That's actually pretty convincing.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Menalque

What do you think about what I said about the hammer?

It doesn't seem likely you'll ever get content from emps, he is kind of always like this. He's signalling reasons he would be disengaged from this game that are valid as both alignments, but it will be hard to know which unless he does get engaged.

Um maybe he should replace out 2 days ago then? Seems unfair to stay in the game like this.

Only Menalque didn't have a 'free' hammer. Alu and myself reminded Menalque of this. He was literally in a crappy spot with his hammer. As scum, he would draw a LOT of attention if it flips town. As town, same story. Only town is uninformed and more likely to actually go through with said hammer. It was extremely scummy to back down on that threat.

Also I just disagree on emps. I think I can read that slot. I'm liking the tone, and there's posts out there suggesting he is interested in scumhunting. If he doesn't improve he will be an easy lynch later on, and his lynch today gives us very little information imo.

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@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is

only scum!Menalque would care

this is exactly what i'm thinking

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@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is only scum!Menalque would care

Its not a lol-hammer

He gave intent
He gave intent + 30 mins warning
Everyone was still posting in that time
He had a 'free' hammer after that 30 mins but didn't hammer.

ok so why don't you try and look at it from a different perspective

why do you think menal passed on that free hammer then? what's his motivation for doing so?

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I do like your posts wrt Mena (not) hammering alimdia

Pedit: icon if you now vote Menalque too I'll beat you with a stick

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I'm done responding to things tonight, I'll follow up with people tomorrow perhaps.

I haven't had enough time to push Menalque.

I

really

think people should consider voting Menalque with me today. I think I have a unique vantage point on his scum-meta right now seeing as I just watched him play for the last month with the knowledge that he was scum. His play here looks very similar.

Two quick points that I would like to make before I sleep:

1. I know that he strongly prefers town but his play here is not at all reminiscent of someone that is genuinely trying to scum-hunt or playing the alignment that they want to be playing.

• In this post from yesterday, he says that Alduskkel and I haven't done anything strongly alignment indicative yet he expresses intent to hammer both of us within the next few hours of writing this post: here and here. Town shouldn't be so easily willing to lynch their POE reads when we still have half the day left.
  
• If you will indulge my narcissism for a moment, he says at the beginning of the game that I'm one of the specific players he intended to get a read on and vote or sheep. And coming into this game, I would have expected him to want to interact with me. However, he has completely ignored me for most of the game. He has made no effort to determine my alignment or respond to my criticisms/questions to him. This feels really off to me, especially in combination with me voting for him and him being willing to hammer me so abruptly.
  
• It feels unnatural how he went from confidently scum reading Wimpy to now slowly backing off of that read now that pops has replaced in. I understand that he got angry at Wimpy and appreciate him admitting he crossed the line. But it feels like a convenient and intentional transition given that pops is either a more difficult mis-lynch or a stronger teammate for him if he's scum.

It feels like he's playing an uninvested scum game.


2. There are a number of specific posts that he's made that feel like they're intended to give the appearance of scum-hunting without actually having genuine intent. Two examples of this that immediately come to mind:

• Here he warns me that he expects more posting from me than in our previous game. It feels like him trying to give off the appearance that he's sorting me even though it would have been better for him to wait and see how active I actually turn out to be rather than instructing me preemptively like this.
  
• He repeatedly asks Ico to explain why he started townreading Mena even though Ico explained it. Ico literally responds by quoting previous posts and that's the end of the conversation. So it doesn't feel like Mena actually cared about this even though he asked multiple times. I feel like this is an attempt to earn townpoints by questioning the thing that scum-him would inherently want (people townreading him).

This is a very good case tho.

Menal's push on Wimpy wasn't sorting oriented. When I called him out on his other reads, he just ignored it. Even confirmed as much.
The point about not caring about his questioning for instance wrt to me and my progression on him.

Combined with how Menal handled the fake intent, I am scumreading him.

Still think Wicked had a very scummy readlist, but I can kinda dig the forced part?
I'm a lot less sure about my scumread here then I was 2 days ago.

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@Wicked, The problem with your case is that Mena had the ability to hammer Aldu. Even waited 30 mins and stuff - he could have gotten a 'free' hammer off as scum

Room temperature take

It'd have very negative consequences for Menalque's slot to lolhammer Alduskkel and the problem is

only scum!Menalque would care

this is exactly what i'm thinking

Also what's the idea behind this? Town does not care if they get lynched?

Town cares a whole lot less about making mistakes, especially D1. Scum have a lot more on their mind, they wanna make it to endgame. They

need

to stay alive. Scum!Menal mislynching there would make him town's prime target on D2. While town!Menal mislynching there would also make him town's prime target D2, he wouldn't care as much about it. Also, there's a chance town!menal gets a scumlynch. Do you think he'd back down from that opportunity after Aldus refused to claim?

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Lets say Mena is scum. He gets the hammer off, even if he gets lynched tomorrow as scum his scum buddy is probably very well hidden.

scum can't trade 1 town lynch for 1 scum lynch

if aldu is town, i doubt he's very high on the scum mislynch priority list

so yeah not really worth it for scum!menal I think

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Also Also Also
You want him to hammer
but you want to hang Mena because he didn't hammer
but if he hammers and it flips town you also want to hang Mena????

i didn't want mena to hammer? i only wanted a claim to get moving

in hindsight i think scum!menal had more reasons not to hammer then town!menal

and yes your third point is correct. and that's exactly the reason why I think scum!menal comes back on his intent -> survivalism

[Iconeum]

@alim: why do you think Menalque declared intent to begin with?

[Iconeum]

actually that's @everyone not scumreading menal off of his intent show

[Iconeum]

why do you think Menalque declared intent to begin with?

There was a good case against him, others were agreeing with the case, some were calling for a flip because this day has been going on for a long ass time?

ok

so you are saying he posted intent to get a flip? to get aldus lynched?

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Thats what is supposed to happen? Instead of just hammering.

supposed to happen. just like aldus was supposed to claim, right?

so instead of just hammering, he posted intent.

but he got neither a claim, nor a hammer. and he could'nt care less.

[Iconeum]

Pops i do love you

But I worry if you have a red role PM :c

please explain your pops scumread?

[Iconeum]

Fuck if I know, I'm not a mind reader.

come on datisi work with me here

why do you think he posted intent? like what are his possible motivations? you don't need to know it to answer this

there's literally like 2 options

get a claim

hammer

he got neither

he doesn't care

why

[Iconeum]

Thats what is supposed to happen? Instead of just hammering.

supposed to happen. just like aldus was supposed to claim, right?

so instead of just hammering, he posted intent.

but he got neither a claim, nor a hammer. and he could'nt care less.

Wait, arenyou saying he was supposed to just lolhammer there instead?

[Iconeum]

for the record, no i'm not saying he should have lolhammered

i want you to recognize what he has gained from the intent

[Iconeum]

like, if ur town and you post intent on a slot

and that slot refuses to claim like a boss

and then you post a deadline

and then it still doesn't claim because???

you just… let it go?

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His ISO is damning. I just checked

nothing about aldu until post 973

973 puts aldu in scumpool (along with me and wicked) using POE basically
977 aldu NAI
982 same as 973
997 1st direct interaction with aldu
1025 asking pops about aldu
1033 .. non relevant stuff
1286 ... links old posts of 973 and 982 as reasonings for him wanting to hammer Aldu

[Iconeum]

amen to that pagetop, brother

[Iconeum]

also, can we talk about wicked being on menal wagon here?

[Iconeum]

He's gained nothing tho?

THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT

[Iconeum]

hammering/intent isn't about "getting things", it's about "lynch scum or don't lynch a PR"and if he felt that Aldu isn't scum then there's automatically no point in hammering?

only it actually is about getting things?

you say it yourself

lynch scum or don't lynch a PR

if he thinks aldu isn't scum why post intent in the first place?

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also, can we talk about wicked being on menal wagon here?

Didn't he vote there ages ago?

oof ur right

a while before menal was in any kind of lynching danger

hmmmm

[Iconeum]

Btw are we allowed to talk about ongoing mish mash games

against the spirit of the game something something?

idunno

[Iconeum]

Because at the time he was in PoE? And Mena even said before he's fine with lynching there? And there was a case that lit you sheeped?

Like why is it so unbelievable to think that the reaction to intent made him reconsider

so you think that:

'Scumalque: yo bro ur ima PoE you have 30 minutes before I hamma you'

'Alidus: ehh i'm good not claiming suck it lovecake'

'DragonBoi: ehhhh menal is gonna look preeeeeety bad if he lynches this and it flips town'



'Scumalque: aaight i'm good'

is town behaviour?

[Iconeum]

if it's not a social deduction game 99% sure it's fine. if it's secret hitler or something i'd ask a listmod

Probably not

Especially if they're the social deduction hidden role type i think

If it's secret hitler
Don't

[Iconeum]

there was a little more to it, and aldu also pointed out that menal hammering puts him in a bad spot at the time (part of his argument that he didn't believe the intent)