Micro 900: Autumnal Mafia (Game Complete)

[Datisi]

VOTE: Menalque

Did you roll scum again?

[Datisi]

Hmmmm
Also emps
If you actually rolled scum third time in a row

I feel bad for you man

[Datisi]

Maybe y'all should stick to salads

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Goddammit Mena i told you not to start bussing back until page 2
Now it looks too obvious

[Datisi]

Oh sweet first pagetop goes to me

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Ok but please like do a couple of AI things so I know whether to sheep you or lynch you tyty

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I refuse to townlead this game

Shit there goes my whole gameplan

[Datisi]

You saw what happened last time I played townleader

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Actually a drove a wagon on scum day 1 lmao

Okay who wanna go first

[Datisi]

Wimpy it fucking is
VOTE: Wimpy

Choo choo

[Datisi]

I mean wimpy you did rvs as well

Unless you're trying to tell me 27 was a serious vote?

[Datisi]

Okay haha the meme was funney

Do you have a legit reason for putting it?

[Datisi]

Datisi if ur scum can u do me a favour and just kill me tonight so I don’t have to sort u?

You know that if I'm scum the order for your assassination has already been sent out

[Datisi]

Game specific site rule 2.: Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc.

Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable

, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

Like call me scummy for it i don't give a shit but don't call me a cheater.

[Datisi]

I bet he doesn’t have anything close to a legit reason for voting me outside of perceived omgus that is.

I mean the longer you drag the burger discussion on
The less time we spend sorting
Which is anti-town

But sure

[Datisi]

I did call you scummy for it.

Ok then please give results of your sorting

And explain why referencing past games w/ a friend makes me scummy

[Datisi]

And explain why referencing past games w/ a friend makes me scummy

M8 just saying something's scummy then saying you're sorting without explaining why

Comes off as dishonest you know

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@mena
Because scum!dats is v good at fake sorting? No idea tbh

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Mena i genuinely have no odea what you're getting at there

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I mean (1) i can't argue you there i thought it was beinh dragged on longer than the joke was worth

And (2) it's true but at page 2-3 when most things said were memes and not everyone had even posted there's not much else to be pressuring

[Datisi]

I'm sorry, where did you explain why referencing past games is scummy?

[Datisi]

And explain why referencing past games w/ a friend makes me scummy

M8 just saying something's scummy then saying you're sorting without explaining why

Comes off as dishonest you know

Not to be rude here but I really don’t care what you think of how I’m playing.

And I’ve explained why so you’re being dishonest here.

In the very quote you quoted (post 66)

[Datisi]

Why does every non newbie game that I play start off with a couple of people with pre-game relationship joking around and cluttering the few couple pages with fluff?

Tbh there were like 3 posts were Mena and I were like "haha we were scum together in the past game"

The rest has been me/Wimpy/Mena calling eachother scum

And trust me i do not have any pre-game relationship with Wimpy

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I bet he doesn’t have anything close to a legit reason for voting me outside of perceived omgus that is.

I mean the longer you drag the burger discussion on
The less time we spend sorting
Which is anti-town

But sure

I said why I think you're scum tho

You're dragging on pointless discussions

And atm it's also "lol ur SRing me not my problem" additiude

Which help absolutely nobody

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p.s. I meant datisi and Menalque pre-game relationship, not you wimpy

We had how many? 3 posts joking around? Before someone called me scum and rulebreaker for that?

Like
3 posts vs 3+ pages

[Datisi]

I think I lightly SL wimpy

Or like that was the scummiest entrance

Trying a lil bit too hard for nonchalance

Oh actually maybe they are but the problem is that like the reasons don’t make any sense

That’s not my problem.

This is very much your problem bc it looks a lot like you’re calling scum with no logical reason to do so

Wimpy are you blind

[Datisi]

Wait a second

How is "trying too hard to be nonchalant" illogical

But "referencing past games is awkward and therefore scummy" not illogical

Like

[Datisi]

But you haven’t provided reasons for why I’m scum, logical or illogical

you literally just called his reasoning illogical how do you now say he didn't provide any

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Or like that was the scummiest entrance

Trying a lil bit too hard for nonchalance

That’s an actual example of illogical reasoning not mine.

Nice try chap

No, you’ve provided reasons that don’t make sense, there’s a difference

They make sense to me. I don’t need them to make sense to you.

But you haven’t provided reasons for why I’m scum, logical or illogical

Like what

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Me: shows wimpy contradicting himself in 120
Wimpy: aight imma head out

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Aight cool. Rvs is fun to me and referencing a game that me and a friend of mine barely won after being in a very shit position is fun to me. And using bs like that to call someome scummy is something I've seen come from scum.

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"tone" is a thing scum can be caught on yes

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Like how you're calling my posting awkward? That's a tonal read my dude

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That reason is illogical cause you can’t determine tone.

Wimpy can you tell me how it's logical to assume both
1) you can't determine tone so it's illogical to call someone scum based on tone
And
2) Datisi sounded scummy because she sounded awkward (cough tone cough)

[Datisi]

Cause I dislike when people come in and reference past games and vote them for it. It violates site rules and

is scummy.

I mean you said I was scummy here

and I'm getting bent because I had a feeling that your reasoning for a "serious vote" was very flimsy and possibly scum indicative

Mena voted me as well and I didn't attack him

however i am willing to drop this pissing match because i don't think it's too helpful for Town

[Datisi]

I specifically bolded the "scummy" part there, but I honestly appreciate and accept the apology. While you didn't call me a cheater, saying I broke site rules when I clearly didn't did anger me.

And rest assured, there is ABSOLUTELY NO grudge between me and Menalque - regarding the game in question (Micro 892), we were scum together, and it's one of my most favorite games I've played on this site.

And I still find your reasoning very illogical.

pedit: holy shit here you two go again
okay back into the pissing match we go i guess *unzips pants*

ppedit: uhhh

pppedit: LET ME POST

[Datisi]

AHEM

FINE IT'S MY FAVORITE GAME I'VE PLAYED CAN WE GO BACK TO SUBJECT AT HAND?

[Datisi]

pagetop

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I can only pray that it’s 200 games on ToS

hey i played like 1000+ games on ToS

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i wake up

oh wow 8 whole pages

there were like 15 posts yesterday

morning sunshine

[Datisi]

this is gonna be painful

you've got no idea son

[Datisi]

It was a serious vote

serious vote on page 2 quoting some shit abt salads

ok then

oh boy HERE WE GO AGAIN *UNZIPS PANTS*

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i can't quite decide
if i think 205 and 206 are bad because there's obviously a huge playstyle clash here
or if i legit think they're scum

pedit: oh god oh fuck my scummy salad eating agenda
is revealed
oh no

ppedit: hi Luca please save us from this hell how are you doing

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I bet he doesn’t have anything close to a legit reason for voting me outside of perceived omgus that is.

I mean the longer you drag the burger discussion on
The less time we spend sorting
Which is anti-town

But sure

I can actually do both. Please don’t tell me how to play.

this is like what, ur 1st game? you kind of have to take advice lol

it's his 201st game god can't you read emps

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im still on like page 3 can we like stop spamposting for a second lol

no

we're beating 1942 here boys

[Datisi]

oh god the misreps

also @Luca what do you make of this game rn?

pedit: THANK YOU EMPS

[Datisi]

yeah apparently accusing others of breaking site rules when they clearly arent isnt very good reasoning at all, and i feel like the moment you found out you shouldve unvoted? because so far thats ur only reasoning lmao

wait till you get to the reasoning

[Datisi]

If you think this is over the top you have no idea

I haven’t even posted from my laptop yet

WE'RE DOUBLING 1942 BOYS STRAP IN

What is AvP
what is CivMaf

[Datisi]

PAGETOP

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PAGETOP

FUCK

GET DUNKED ON

[Datisi]

alright thank you Luca i hope you're Town

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also
if people telling you "hey your play might be Not Good" is a personal offense and bullying to you

then fuck man
i dunno what to tell you

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Mate, I've not been here for a while, but on a scale of 1 (completely civil) to 10 (complete piece of shit) Mena is at like 2.3

Like I don't know what games you're been reading but this right here isn't even mildly spicy compared to how games usually are

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I dunno, I ain't his lawyer.

pedit:
sweet summer child you have not seen how people usually are in games?

like rn I don't wanna get back into the semantics because I feel like enough has been said already and others shouldn't have more trash than necessary to plow through

[Datisi]

I mean at this point he and i are arguing over semantics. He somehow things because of my poor word choices, I have somehow outed myself as scum.

The reality is he has no real reason to scum read me and is probably scum

trying to dominate the game by arguing.

what I need to do is just ignore him if I can. I have asked him to dial it down, if he refuses I will decide what to do about it.

like
sentences like these
like i'm still trying to determine if this could be just a massive playstyle clash
but sentences like these really rub me the wrong way
like the tonalty is so

off

[Datisi]

Yes, it does matter. I would appreciate if you could answer this question. At the very least, it would be nice to know the nature of the 200+ games that you’ve played. For instance, there’s a major difference between playing 200+ games on a real-time site like epicmafia vs playing forum games like here.

I disagree

why are you making this so difficult? Just say where you've played?

like
sentences like these
like i'm still trying to determine if this could be just a massive playstyle clash
but sentences like these really rub me the wrong way
like the tonalty is so off

do you know why he scum reads me?

Why do you ask? What does that have to do with it?

[Datisi]

Yes, it does matter. I would appreciate if you could answer this question. At the very least, it would be nice to know the nature of the 200+ games that you’ve played. For instance, there’s a major difference between playing 200+ games on a real-time site like epicmafia vs playing forum games like here.

I disagree

just
I'm trying to wrap my head around this
and
How do games that last 15 minutes and are multiball role madness (like ToS) and games that last for months and are close to mountanious (FM) have no major differences?

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I mean I agree with a lot
I think your tone is completely off, including your entrance
I think your reasons for voting are very illogical - especially for someone who claims to have read games here

tbh I'm kinda tired of the whole scum vs scummy debate and will look over that later

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And like
it's not like it's just Mena BuLlYiNg you, other people are asking about your past experience as well
it's something that helps with a read on you

why are you so adamant in ignorig us about it?

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Mena, there's been so much shit thrown in this thread
can you like give me a tl;dr or link me to 2-3 most important points about the whole scumVscummy bullshit

and also bold me the perspective slips tyty

[Datisi]

And like
it's not like it's just Mena BuLlYiNg you, other people are asking about your past experience as well
it's something that helps with a read on you

why are you so adamant in ignoring us about it?

[Datisi]

I don't see anyone else being asked where else they have played.

that's because the rest of us don't have an account that's 2 weeks old while also claiming 200+ games under our belt

@Mena eli5 the perspective slips because I'm not seeing it rn
also that's a terrible fucking guess

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Bolded what I think are the perspective slips

I thought you were able to detect tone in mafia games? how did you miss the obvious sarcasm?

wait those bolded parts were sarcasm?
oh my

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i mean in 53 he said "is scummy"
but right next to Mena's post is also 217 which is whooooo boy bad

and like
Meta on players isn't irrelevant
and it's broght up quite a lot on this site
like you claim you've read/played games here?

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i linked them so if anyone who doesn't know every post word by word in this game can click and go read them

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Because you did legit say "is scummy" in 53 and like for that point I can maybe if I squint see this shitshow as a TvT pissing match

but there's also post by Mena (232) that you called misrepping

but you made post 217 which I feel is more of a misrep

hold on i'll make a meme

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Spoiler: my current read on Wimpy (colorized)

like I can't tell anymore
it seems like a shouting match that leads nowhere
but I can't get over the tone being off

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but I can't get over the tone being off

I still don't understand

1. how you can even detect my tone if you couldn't detect sarcasam in my tone earlier
2. what exactly about my "tone" are you having a problem with?

1) I mean you can't "not" detect tone? plus me disliking your tone when you're geneally speaking vs missing the sarcasm are two kinda different things
2) it's just the general "i have done nothing scummy" "he has no reason to SR me" "he seems to ..." way you speak keeps rubbing me the wrong way

post 217 is me being asked my opinion of mena and not you so how is that a misrep?

I mean just because it's not about me doesn't mean I can't say "hey i get the feeling this is misrepping"

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I'll overlook the jumbled mess above tomorrow when I get some sleep

but the first part of your og reasoning for my vote was "violating site rules" - and if that why you're voting someone over, what is that if not a policy?

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This was Mena's original post, with the quote being from your 140

Spoiler:

Maybe y'all should stick to salads

VOTE: Datisi

It was a serious vote

“Guys. It was a page 2 vote. There’s not enough evidence to suggest anyone was actually scum.”

So which time were you telling the truth?

"there's not enough evidence to suggest anyone was scum [on page 2]" implies you cannot have a serious vote on page 2

You were also saying your page 2 vote was serious

Sorry chief the math checks out

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1. I dislike when people come in and reference past games and vote them for it

This is still a *gasp*

policy lynch

And it changes things because you accuse Mena of lying when he said you were trying to policy me

So

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Also please spell my name right c:

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"evidence to suggest someone is scum" =/= "think somebody is scum", don't twist it

Like if you placed a "serious" vote
Then there must have been evidence to SUGGEST I am scum
Which you literally confirmed, because your reasoning was "referencing past games"

Which is literally "evidence to suggest"

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Wimpy's reasons of voting me:
1) thought I was violating site rules
2) disliked that i referenced a past game
3) thought referencing a past game is scummy

Literally 66.67% of your reasons to vote me were

Policy

Pedit: i still don't see a single place where he lied
But as said i will go over it again once I get some sleep

For now I'm tackling the simpler stuff

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"evidence to suggest someone is scum" =/= "think somebody is scum", don't twist it

Like if you placed a "serious" vote
Then there must have been evidence to SUGGEST I am scum
Which you literally confirmed, because your reasoning was "referencing past games"

Which is literally "evidence to suggest"

no you are absolutely wrong. a player can place a serious vote and not be sure if that person is scum or not.

I am not saying you were sure

I am saying there was evidence to SUGGEST

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...

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I am saying there was evidence to SUGGEST

no there wasn't

That's exactly the fucking point

If there was NO EVIDENCE to suggest I am scum

Then your serious vote on me - calling me scummy - is a lie
Because if something makes me scummy

That is literally the evidence to suggest I'm scum

Not make you certain I'm scum

To suggest I'm scum

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VOTE: Menalque

Did you roll scum again?

Like this post
Is why you called me scummy

Like it's literally the "evidence to SUGGEST I'm scum"

Not prove
Not make certain

Suggest

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players can place

serious votes on people that they think are scummy

and that's it. They do not need any other reason than "Hey I think that guy is scummy so I am going to vote him"

They don't have to have

evidence suggesting that person is scum

.

This post is literally contradicting itself
Like the bolded parts

Are a literal contradiction

Evidence that suggests someone is scummy is literally what makes someone scummy

Like

[Datisi]

please don't tell me I need to go find actual completed games to prove you wrong.

Also what happened with you disliking meta??? It being a lazy way to play??? Referencing other games being

S
Ss
Scummy?

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But how is "evidence suggesting (emphasis on suggesting) someone is scum" different than "someone being scummy"?

Like if someone is being scummy
Sure, it's not given that they're scum
But there is *something* that makes them look like it
And that *something*
Is evidence

Suggesting

(again emphasis on suggesting)
They're scum

[Datisi]

Aight cheers ot ain't a meta on anyone here

But it would still be referencing past games now wouldn't it?

[Datisi]

Aight cheers ot ain't a meta on anyone here

But it would still be referencing past games now wouldn't it?

Referencing other games isn’t against the rules.

Didn't say it was
You said it was scummy

So threatening to you yourself reference past games is
A bit funny

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Sorry you’re still wrong. (1)

Just cause somebody does something that is perceived scummy doesn’t suggest that person could be scum.

Take lurking for example. (2)

Anyone who lurks is scummy.

(3)

I would never say I have evidence to suggest they are scum for it.

(1) by that logic nothing ever points to anyone being scum
Unless this is a "perceived" vs "is" semantics thing in which case

(2) that's blatantly wrong, depends on the player and if lurking is town or scum inddicative for them

(3) this again depends on whether the person lurks as scum much more than they do as town

But oh wait you don't do meta

Ppedit: oh god thank you mena you're here

[Datisi]

Cause I dislike when people come in and

reference past games

and vote them for it. It violates site rules and is

scummy

.

You literally did

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Obviously i didn’t know the context but at the time I thought you were mad he beat you as scum in a previous game which made your vote look like a grudge vote.

So if ypu think holding grudges like that is scummy

Would a logical thing not be to
Uhhhh

ASK

why I'm voting him

Instead of assuming it's got malice from past games and is therefore scummy

[Datisi]

The fact that we’re even having this discussion outside of a newbie game is mind boggling to me.

Speaking of which

Why aren't you playing there

[Datisi]

Because I know how to play.

[Datisi]

Look ma, I can do it too:

Wimpy got a green role pm this game

Mena no that's not how you link

[Datisi]

FTFY

[Datisi]

scummy also doesn’t mean you have to have something that makes them look like scum.
..
Anyone suggesting I need to have reasons to think you were scum at the time I just found you scummy is IMO wrong.

But
It kinda does?

And you did have reasons?

Like tbf I'm done arguing this shit so whatever other players think it's up to them

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And i am sorry, but saying your play is not good is not a personal insult

Like I'm sorry if it makes you feel bad

But this game is full of calling other people's skills bad (or worse) so

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I mean if you think you can imply that datisi should go and play in the newbie queue and then wanna try and cry to the mod when you get called on it go ahead

Oh yeah right he said my skills were bad (i already forgot tbh)

Uhhhh
Mods
Do your thing thx

[Datisi]

Okay but now u gotta explain how I can do it for myself

I think you linked the website with the gif
Gotta "open image in new window" and paste that

[Datisi]

Since Mafia is based largely on conflict and psychological manipulation, we are somewhat more tolerant of aggressive and heated posts in-game than in the rest of the forums.

Also known as
Attack the play not the player

Like I'm not saying anything against you personally (nor is it my intention)
I'm saying your play this game is bad

Like if that insults you then I'm sorry
But this ain't a friendly game exactly

[Datisi]

Please don't critique my play anymore or I will consider that a personal insult.

I asked nicely even. Doing it again is intentional

Okay but that is literally

"my play this game is perfect and if you say that something's wrong with my play I'm taking it personally and reporting you"

Like

Isn't that technically outside of game influence/threat?

[Datisi]

Thanks for obvtowning this hard btw datisi it’s making this game a lot easier for me

Yeah no worries mate

[Datisi]

Please spell my name right or I will consider that a personal insult.

[Datisi]

I think you're doing a splendid job, I'm not sure you've left me anything

[Datisi]

You are too Mena, lovely to have you here

[Datisi]

Yawn.

[Datisi]

Well, 1 am, guess I'm off to bed.

[Datisi]

It's technically today isn't it

[Datisi]

VOTE: burger boi
choo choo

[Datisi]

You’re already voting me.

thatsthejoke.png

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VOTE: burger boi
choo choo

Why are you ignoring menal’s lie? It’s the entire basis of his push against me.

The semantics argument is fucking stupid
Mena has not lied
I'm SRing you independently of that as well

choo choo

[Datisi]

Hey emps is online!!

Hi emps

[Datisi]

Lurking is anti-town but anti-town =/= scummy but you know

[Datisi]

and somebody I pissed off and for some reason

My dude
My emotions are completely detached from this game (except for joy that I'm playing with a couple of friends)

You should try to not take everything personally sometime.

[Datisi]

do i actually want to catch uo and read these past pages?

Read them they're fucking hilarious

[Datisi]

I’m relying on actual proven facts

Scum references past games because they're awkward and it's scummy but also you can't prove anything in a mafia game because there's no certainty

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also, werent u the one who was supposed to be complaining when you blink then all of a sudden theres like 10 more pages

Well yeah but that was before i gave up on being a productive member of society

[Datisi]

yknow i think im still on like pg 4 pr some shit jesus

Ok I'll stop posting now empy <3

Give me some juicy catchup to read in the morning

[Datisi]

choo choo

[Datisi]

Like what

You’re going to accept “wimpy is scum cause he acted non chalantly” as an actual reason?

actually thats a decent reason. the hamburger post mentioned earlier also fits the whole trying to act nonchalantly thing as well.

Empy we've tried
"scum can be caught when off on tone" or a variant has been said like 10 times at least

But it's not
LoGiCaL

[Datisi]

pedit 2 : yknow that you were scumreading datisi bcause her posts were "akward" to you

Also i said this somewhere too i think

[Datisi]

hey wimpy yknow that datisis a she, right?

Also I'm actually curious on this

I think you saw both myself and Mena refer to me as she

Why keep using he?

[Datisi]

Ok I'm sorry I'm actually going fuck i was supposed to be alseep 4 hours ago

[Datisi]

It’s like in newbie games when a newb says hi to everyone. There is data that suggest there is a high percentage of players that do this is actually scum. They don’t know how to enter the game.

that is quite literally an example of a tonal read that

Nope I'm going I'm gone

[Datisi]

I can actually feel my brain cells dying every time I read a wimpy post

[Datisi]

Good morning sunshines

[Datisi]

The whole '

I've done nothing to warrant a scumread on me

' line is the very essence of why I'm currently scumreading you.

You don't necessarily need concrete reasons to scumread or vote someone - that is a myth. The whole game for scum is to not do scummy things, therefore it's usually what they're not doing that you need to pick up on.

You're seeming like scum who feel they've been caught unfairly/by poor reasoning.

Jesus christ someome fuckin gets it thank you Luca

[Datisi]

I am very sad to see my ScumbuddyTM is not here yet. I bet he's still asleep.

[Datisi]

Spamposting when catching up was the reason, not just spamposting live discussion.

Did you ever address my hammer point? Where you could have hammered someone by voting whilst still catching up

Also I agree emps here could've made a disaster by accidentally hammering but
For the love of god

Stop with the policy votes

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Here are the """lies""" chief

Menal has straight up lied many times. Probably in a way to twist my words. I never said or implied the reason for my Datsi vote was because i thought she was scum. Me thinking she was possible scum came in post 67 but that was because additional things were posted that i didn't care for.

Spoiler:

You claimed you voted datisi because you thought she was scum

You clearly implied that you thought she was scum

Now you’re claiming that you just voted her because she was scummy but that you never really believed she was scum

I’ve already shown that you claimed earlier that you considered datisi scum at the time of this vote

So trying to say that you didn’t consider datisi scum when you called her probably scum and implied that you were actually thinking she was scum in the answer to one of my questions goes in contrast to your later claim that you didn’t think she was scum but just that she had done scummy things.

I know I can definitely find more lies but I don't really need to. Part of me wonders if he originally misunderstood what i said, but I would think after i corrected him many times he would have gone back and actually read what i said. I never ever ever ever ever ever ever

ever

said I voted datisi because I thought she was scum and menal pushing that point is deceitful and scummy.

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[Datisi]

"there's not enough evidence to suggest anyone was scum [on page 2]" implies you cannot have a serious vote on page 2

You were also saying your page 2 vote was serious

Sorry chief the math checks out

that is where you are wrong though. You can place a serious vote and not think somebody is scum. Happens all the time. Used to happen when I played here, I am pretty sure it happens now especially since i did it...

I mean you keep pushing bullshit about "having evidence" vs "thinking someome is scum" vs "thinking someone is scummy" but like

Bruh

[Datisi]

Please lynch me.

You heard the lad friends

[Datisi]

I mean you keep pushing bullshit about "having evidence" vs "thinking someome is scum" vs "thinking someone is scummy" but like

Bruh

He accused me of saying I voted you because I thought you were scum.

Did I say that? No

That’s the narrative he’s pushed. It’s a lie

That's not what I'm talking about

I'm taking about our pg 14 discussion

But ok

[Datisi]

There is nothing that relevant on page 14.

Page 14 definitely relates to that post.

ok

[Datisi]

"evidence to suggest someone is scum" =/= "think somebody is scum", don't twist it

Like if you placed a "serious" vote
Then there must have been evidence to SUGGEST I am scum
Which you literally confirmed, because your reasoning was "referencing past games"

Which is literally "evidence to suggest"

This? I’ve already told you that you are wrong here. This isn’t true.

Is this what you really want to rehash?

Yes
I want other people's opinion on this

Am I legit insane for having this view?

[Datisi]

@everyone not named wimpy

Please read pg 14 and give me you opinion on it

Thanks

[Datisi]

He accused me of saying I voted you because I thought you were scum.

Did I say that? No

That’s the narrative he’s pushed. It’s a lie

Why are you not commenting on this?

He made that accusation multiple times. Each time it’s still a lie.

Ok I'll comment

He asked why "do you think I'm scum". You directed him to posts where you explained why I'm scummy. Implication that "you thought i was scum" seems alright. Your responses didn't help you.

[Datisi]

Man I can't wait for icon to get into the shitshow too

[Datisi]

but then why are you now saying that there is no reason to warrant a scumread on you?

He's a perfect played whose skill shall not be critiqued and who's done absolutely nothing wrong

[Datisi]

AtE AtE AtE AtE

[Datisi]

oof.mp3

[Datisi]

Hiiiiii Iconnnnnnnnn

[Datisi]

I've seen worse.

Unvote the policy vote pretty please?

[Datisi]

I got voted because bullshit
Mena reacted to that bulshit
there was a lot of bullshit

please read

[Datisi]

Townleaning, yes. Why do you ask?

[Datisi]

Townleaning, yes. Why do you ask?

Was just wondering why you were bothered with Ali's vote.

Even if I wasn't TLing him, I'd still be bothered by it. Last thing we need are more policy votes, on page 24.

[Datisi]

Hmmm.

Nope, I'm just an European with a horrible sleep schedule.

Eh. Whoever replaces in chose to do so. You have the right to read a game before choosing to jump in.

[Datisi]

give us a tldr?

[Datisi]

Hmmmm
I do have a comment or two on 688 but I think I should wait for Mena to respond to it first

[Datisi]

Alimdia has a towny mindset and is the first to join the townbloc.

Posts like 97, 104, 119 (defusing the situation) are very good takes.

I enjoy the 616 obv callout of scum!Dat and scum!Menal powerwolfing the crap out of this early game, but that's a highly unlikely scenario. Knowing both of these players, I think they would take it a lot slower. That doesn't take away I think Menal could be scum here (just not together with Dat), for pushing something in REALLLY terrible faith

Wow, we have completely opposite reads there

also how is 616 calling our Dats/Mena powerwolfing? It's asking Wimpy a question? (correct me if I'm wrong here btw)

[Datisi]

SL of alimdia:
97 is a bad take I'm sorry Icon but you should know this lul
119 is completely NAI imo

586 policy vote on emps for spammy catchup and careless voting
610:

Asked for unvote because the other 2 votes were RVS and its way past that now, plus I'd rather have them unvote for proper analysis later on when needed.

Asking for unvotes of the RVS vote for (I'm assuming) later proper VCA, but is keeping the vote on emps due to... policy?

Which makes me think the whole "unvote your RVS we're past that" was made as busywork

discuss

[Datisi]

The powerwolfing is related to your entire tag-team approach push, not that post in particular. Can you see what I mean?

Err
not sure I see it chief

[Datisi]

this could very well be town!Datisi to the core

I mean I think I'm so out of my scum range by now it's pathetic

but what can you do

[Datisi]

SLing yes

and okay I'm waiting for Icon to respond wrt that since I'm not yet sure what he meant

[Datisi]

it's not a bad take. it's just not.
Trying to + the gamestate is not NAI, it's +town. Scum benefit from a bad gamestate. Town doesn't.

agree to disagree I guess?
how is that + the gamestate? It wasn't asking us to calm down, it wasn't defusing the situation, it was just "okay I'mma head out"
i mean it's a plus if you see it as "not adding oil to the fire" but like it's a v weak plus

[Datisi]

616 was alimdia thinking about a scumteam of Datisi+Menal, which would be a powerwolf team as per game right now. I don't think you are however.

Err, I see it as "hey wimpy these are your two SRs you think they're a team?"
but alimdia has mentioned that team elsewhere so
I still kinda see this as null?

like it's not that hot of a take to go "lul dats and mena could be powerwolfing the shit out of this game probs not"

[Datisi]

Wimpy's reasons of voting me:
1) thought I was violating site rules
2) disliked that i referenced a past game
3) thought referencing a past game is scummy

Literally 66.67% of your reasons to vote me were

Policy

Pedit: i still don't see a single place where he lied
But as said i will go over it again once I get some sleep

For now I'm tackling the simpler stuff

I've seen a whole lot worse reasons for an early vote then this. I don't know why Wimpy is scum because of this?

policy vote in RVS while annoying as shit is NAI yes

but I think there was a post where he was saying it wasn't just policy or something?

[Datisi]

i mean it's a plus if you see it as "not adding oil to the fire" but like it's a v weak plus

scum literally wouldn't bother to post it like that

it would be scary if our reads matched

your take on my menal read?

i disagree because I still think it's a v easy thing to post but okay

I know right last time that happened one of us was scum

and no i don't think I do (if you're SRing him)

[Datisi]

Btw what's SL?

To be fair when I first voted him I was just really annoyed at how he was creating more fluff posts. Because by replying page by page rather than replying after reading everything - (FYI you can take notes as you read, then change them as you keep reading as people contradict/take back earlier statements), THAT is busywork. If you ISO emps you can see more than half his posts are pointless. I could see scum doing that to muddy the waters further. I'm aware that Datisi, Mena and Wimpy also have lots of fluff posts and/or statements repeated in different ways, at least they are in the middle of the conversation 'live' when doing it. Imagine if everyone fucking does it as well.. 60 pages...

In conclusion, it wasn't 100% a policy vote, but I felt like I scum-read emps a bit.

Now that I'm thinking about it, I don't know why I unvoted , it was prob cos there were 2 other random votes on there

Scumlean

Eh I agree it clogs the thread a bit but I know it's emps' style to post like that and I'm really not a fan of votes like that
+ last time I've seen anyone vote anyone else for doing cases/catchups like that was when I was scum and I was desperately trying to justify a bullshit vote on a player who nailed my partner (hi Mena remember that)

NOT saying you're doing that now it just reminded me

also 60 pages is like
nothing

[Datisi]

I did try and defuse this situation because I literally saw this happening before. And then as you can see, Mena just basically 'hooked' Wimpy back in for another 2 hours of posting.

Eh, I don't see it

I've already dismissed the power-wolfing team by the way.

I know you have, it was a response to sth Icon posted about it

[Datisi]

but I think there was a post where he was saying it wasn't just policy or something?

i've read it, and I think there was enough reason for a push on Wimpy to begin with. That's not what i'm fighting. It's how Menal went about it being a complete [REDACTED BY ICONEUM].

Want me to put everytying into a spoiler so you can see?

ok cool i wasn't discussing whether mena's push was bad or not

I was saying why the policy vote thing pigned me

[Datisi]

has the mod stepped in yet?

yes, didn't you read

[Datisi]

my catchup posts should be able to tell you exactly where i'm at

I mean they got eaten

Also I gotta like study or some shit lmao I'll be back in some hour or so

pedit: sigh

[Datisi]

you're

clogging

the

thread

Iconeum

[Datisi]

I could see scum doing that to muddy the waters further.

that's it's a stupid reason to SR someone mainly

[Datisi]

Please point me in the right direction

[Datisi]

The real question is, is it a town or a scum tunnel

The eternal question

[Datisi]

Also
Heaven and Hell help us all
I'm actually Townreading Icon

[Datisi]

[Datisi]

no

[Datisi]

no

we will by the end of this day

no we won't shut it dragon

Pedit: Tone n whatever checks out
Reasoning checks out
Might have to revisit him in the later days but meh

He's a dick but he's a Town dick for now

[Datisi]

Might have to revisit him in the later days but meh

why not wanna sort him rn?

My current sort of him is Town

[Datisi]

i mean i literally said i was gonna revisit since I know he's skilled enough to fake tone
and i never said alim's tone was bad I think it's at least p decent

[Datisi]

[Datisi]

what is it?

[Datisi]

i mean it wasn't directed at me sorry

[Datisi]

yoink

[Datisi]

Townread

- {Icon}

Townlean

- {emps, Mena}

Null-Townlean

- {Luca}
Null - {Aldu}

Null-Scumlean

- {Wicked, alimdia}

Scumlean

- {Wimpy!slot}

Scumread

- {}

[Datisi]

Eh, sure, going in circles even more probably doesn't help much

VOTE: Wicked

[Datisi]

dragon = icon or?
In post 780, Iconeum wrote:

Yes Icon's the dragon boi

[Datisi]

Re: 782
I mean i don't "think" so, i just think it's a possibility worth investigating

[Datisi]

Wicked just FYI I’m expecting more posting from you this game even if it’s just like passing thoughts, bc I know you were often active in the scum pt in C9++ even when u weren’t posting in game

Also this post exists

[Datisi]

Unsure what to make of it yet
But it exists

[Datisi]

However he just made 1 post and then dipped.

Oh yeah, was this a "positive" or "negative" context?

[Datisi]

Luca, something very weird is happening.

I agree with almost everything that's come out of your mouth so far.

[Datisi]

you really should read it
it got even spicier

[Datisi]

okay

like we're actually discussing other slots there so ya know it's kinda important actually i think probably

[Datisi]

However he just made 1 post and then dipped.

Oh yeah, was this a "positive" or "negative" context?

I'm waiting on Wicked's defence but it was supposed to be a positive for him. In that that's the only post we are judging him off on.

Can you clarify this a bit further? I'm not sure what you mean - do you think it was a good post? A NAI one?

Luca, something very weird is happening.

I agree with almost everything that's come out of your mouth so far.

Are you sure its not because he just said he agreed with you

Yes, yes I actually am.

I've just gone through his ISO again. And while sure, it is small, I don't think he has a post I disagree with? (Other than 22 perhaps.)

It's odd, but I don't feel a pockety vibe either. Almost eerie.

[Datisi]

what is your definition of tunnelling exactly?

[Datisi]

I’m not sure if I’m tunnelling or not that’s the problem

You, I was asking because of this

Did you read the rest of the thread? Opinion on other slots?

[Datisi]

Alright I'm digging this, the game might not be completely fucked.

Wicked, when yiu get time to read/catch up, can you tell me why was Wimpy's experience the one thing you felt like commenting at the time?

[Datisi]

Only one page while I was sleeping? There go my dreams of beating 1942...

Will reply to everything in a bit. Stay tuned.

[Datisi]

the more material this game has

the more i can be distracted from how my life if falling apart

[Datisi]

@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

@Wicked, kinda similar question to you, there's been a bit of discussion about Icon/alimdia/Luca, any reads there?

@Mena, why are you hard TRing Luca?

[Datisi]

My question in 812 was mostly referring to this part:

Ico, you vote me for ‘of all the things to comment on’ I only asked Wimpy about his experience. Just because it’s the only thing I commented on doesn’t mean it’s the only thing I wanted to comment on. It’s simply the only thing I had time to comment on.

Wimpy’s experience was the thing I was most curious about

after reading the first few pages (and I’m not the only person that was interested in his answer).

Datisi:

neutral, slight town lean
-She seems to be genuinely relaxed, I couldn't detect any discomfort or awkwardness. As far as her Wimpy-push goes, I agree with Ico's point that she would be setting herself up for scrutiny if she was scum pushing Wimpy-town, so the confidence expressed here, as one example, feels unlikely to come from Datisi-scum pushing a known mis-lynch. I'm inclined to think it's not bussing either.
-There are a couple small things that feel off to me like the doubt she expressed in Wimpy at some points and her lack of paranoia with Menalque. I'm having trouble explaining why these things are rubbing me the wrong way.
-This is another post that feels a little strange to me. Menalque and I literally just got out of a scum game where our third partner used to say stuff like this.

Datisi, what makes your play here so out of your scum range?

As much as I do love playing scum, doing so is very stressful for me and it makes me panic about every post I make, to the point that 50-70% of my scum PT's are literally just me going

"buddy help me X did Y what am I supposed to do in response"

. Me being this ~relaxed~ and freely posting at the extent I am is out of my scumrange I think, especially in a game with no daytalk. (God knows how much I abuse daytalk.) Obviously that argument might not be convincing to others, but eh, it was more of a passing comment.

Why is both "me expressing doubt over Wimpy" (potential lack of TMI) and "lack of paranoia with Menalque" (potential TMI) rubbing you the wrong way?

[Datisi]

Yoink

[Datisi]

@Emps, I like that you're doing catchups "real-time", but is there ever any "conclusion"? What are your reads atm?

I'm gonna

piggyback

this question.
Wicked didn't do catchups real time and he had more content than you.

~ahem~

[Datisi]

Ok first part is here let's hear some reasonings boi

[Datisi]

Ali above Aldu?

[Datisi]

Furthermore, it's strange to come to a neutral-(slight) scumlean on both Wimpy AND Menal.

If those 2 are scum, Wimpy never replaces out. Ever.

Er, I don't disagree with the rest of the post, but I don't exactly get how you come to this conclusion?

[Datisi]

didn't someone say scum do not have daytalk?

I mean the mod did but sure

The reason I'm asking is because you've literally seen SvS bussing that ended up with the bullied scum replacing out

So idk why you're crossing it off

[Datisi]

You remember that game that had a huge shitfight from page 1 to the end of Day 2 that ended up with 3 replacements? There was no way that was SvS right?

Spoiler:

Town: {Persi, Icon}
Townlean: {Aubrey, Voted}
???: {BxW}
Scumlean: {Saudade, L&J}
Scum: {Zeebu}

How can you have me as scumlean and linked with either Saudade or zeebu?

These are my reads so far, not saying all scum is definitely in there or that they're definitely correct. Besides, I don't think I'd be completely surprised if it came down to be LJ/Sau team with some genuine insults.

I meant every word I said. I do not respect him as a player and I don’t wish to play any future games with him.

He’s not my partner but no game is worth risking a temp ban.

I cannot handle playing with anyone that toxic.

Sorry Chibi.

@mod, please replace me

I mean, I agree that it's like 99.999% not SvS, but more on the basis on "Menalque doesn't bully bus his teammater out of the game" rather than "Scum doesn't bully bus his teammater out of the game".

[Datisi]

What's wrong?

853 was @Luca, since it seemed to me like he was giving credit to you for something I said first

[Datisi]

Part of me wants to start arguing that your original point/vote was ~too many catchup posts~ and not ~no substance/reads/conclusion~ but
but
let's not have another 20 page fight